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Title: Forum.NHFree.com join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on August 16, 2007, 09:39 AM NHFT
join rate 2.5/day for last ten days (aug 5-10)
ave join rate/day up to 1.47
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: error on August 16, 2007, 09:50 AM NHFT
Pretty soon we're going to have to build a whole TOWN to hold all these people!
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: KBCraig on August 16, 2007, 05:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: Scott Roth on August 16, 2007, 04:15 PM NHFT
We already have one - Upton's Corners.

Yeah, but the mayor is MIA.  :-\
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on August 31, 2007, 05:14 PM NHFT
2.3 per day aug 20 - 30
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: kola on August 31, 2007, 06:50 PM NHFT
are the newbies feds or common folk?   :-\

Agent Kola 16-008
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on September 15, 2007, 07:23 PM NHFT
join rate the last three days is up to 4.2 thanks to the sacrifices of lauren and the Brown supporters
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on September 16, 2007, 11:02 PM NHFT
join rate sept 14 - 15 skyrocketed to 11 per day, possible new record.

Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Tom Sawyer on September 17, 2007, 01:44 AM NHFT
Don't want to rain on the parade, but numbers don't necessarily mean much. There have been spikes revolving around the Browns situation and not everyone is a wonderful asset.

It's kind of like thinking you'll have a great party if you post flyers all over town.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: KBCraig on September 17, 2007, 02:21 AM NHFT
Yep. Don't know how many of them are @doj.gov addresses, or some fakemail masking for such. And then there are the inexplicable neonazi@ronpaul.fairtax.911truther.net joiners.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 27, 2007, 08:41 PM NHFT
join rate down to 2.1 per day

over last ten days

had been over three  a day for the last month i think
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Rosie the Riveter on October 27, 2007, 09:43 PM NHFT
Hummm, feels like there are actually more new people now than ever...maybe the joiners as of late are posting more and the joiners in the past have been mostly lurkers...

Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 28, 2007, 07:12 AM NHFT
Got to meet new people at Seth's party last night  :D
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 30, 2007, 10:50 PM NHFT
join rate now down to 1.9 over last 10 days

of course that is twice what it was when we were lifting off....it was one a day for a full year and we rocked
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: EJinCT on October 31, 2007, 11:06 AM NHFT

There definitely seems to be more participating members from when I first joined.

Hmmmmm. I wonder what the percentage would be when comparing the join rate, to the number of members that actually participate in the forum.

Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on November 10, 2007, 10:42 PM NHFT
join rate down to 1.1 per day over last 10 days

no new members for last 4 days
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 11, 2007, 01:55 AM NHFT
also many people join and post for a while ... then they slip away.
It is hard for our little community to get too big before it is hard to keep up with the activity .... and then it wants to split into smaller groups.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on November 24, 2007, 11:49 AM NHFT
join rate 1.6 per day last 10 days
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on November 30, 2007, 10:56 AM NHFT
join rate 1.6 over last ten days....

Nov. 28 is roughly the day political sections were expelled.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on January 10, 2008, 09:27 AM NHFT
the join rate over the last ten days has plummetted to .7 / day

it was low before that too

some of that is probably the holidays, some of it a result of the political ban.   however i suspect that nhliberty.org has picked up the slack and the overall join rate of NH pro liberty forums is up.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 10, 2008, 02:39 PM NHFT
I agree
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on February 06, 2008, 12:52 AM NHFT
recent join rate 0.9 per day

last ten days
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on February 21, 2008, 11:02 AM NHFT
join rate has dropped to the lowest i've ever seen..

.35 per day over the last 20 days
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: picaro on February 21, 2008, 12:31 PM NHFT
I wonder if the decline in join rate is commensurate with the recent decline in signal-to-noise.  ...hmmm.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 21, 2008, 06:32 PM NHFT
I don't mind us not adding too many people

I have noticed a decline in noise :)
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: dalebert on February 22, 2008, 11:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on February 21, 2008, 11:02 AM NHFT
join rate has dropped to the lowest i've ever seen..

.35 per day over the last 20 days

Could it be that Ron Paul has inadvertently hurt the liberty movement by failing in the midst of unreasonable expectations?
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 22, 2008, 11:17 AM NHFT
I don't think so.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: picaro on February 22, 2008, 11:45 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on February 22, 2008, 11:14 AM NHFT
Could it be that Ron Paul has inadvertently hurt the liberty movement by failing in the midst of unreasonable expectations?


I agree.   This is a good lesson for those foolish enough to set lofty goals.   

If you never attempt anything, you'll never fail.   Trying is for suckers.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 22, 2008, 12:05 PM NHFT
I'm sure he was being sarcastic  :)
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: dalebert on February 22, 2008, 04:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 22, 2008, 12:05 PM NHFT
I'm sure he was being sarcastic  :)

No, it's a valid point/question. There has been a lot of people expressing disappointment on the FTL boards and on the FSP mailing list about NH's failure to deliver better numbers for Ron Paul. They're being unreasonable, of course. Like I said: "unreasonable expectations". Is it not possible to talk calmly about this subject without people getting so defensive?
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: picaro on February 22, 2008, 04:49 PM NHFT
The sarcasm should've been obvious.

My response to your initial post is also valid.   Setting goals, even unattainable ones, is worthwhile.   Do you see how dissatisfied the Republican base is with McCain?  Even if they weren't ready to vote RP, Paul's authenticity exposed the rest as frauds.   Just being on the stage and re-framing the public debate is a small victory for libertarian ideas.

With any hope or desire you risk disappointment.     You can either become a Buddhist or you can build from your discontent. 
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: yonder on February 22, 2008, 08:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: picaro on February 22, 2008, 04:49 PM NHFT
Do you see how dissatisfied the Republican base is with McCain? 

Dissatisfied enough that the flat earth contingent continues to encourage Huckabee to stay in it until it's over.

I honestly think the mini scandals being thrown at McCain now are being leaked by the GOP, not the Democrats.  The tactic was a favorite of LBJ's; throw something at your opponent that you know is false, just to see them deny it.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: dalebert on February 22, 2008, 09:01 PM NHFT
I think people are reading too much into what I said. I'm not saying no one should try to do anything. Good grief. I was pointing out that some people now have an unjustified prejudice about NH. I'm not trying to apply that to everyone involved in the campaign. Most of the free staters involved got on with their lives and have their noses right back to the grindstone. Based on the timing and a lot of discourse I've heard, I simply presented a reasonable theory about why numbers are low lately. I'm not failing to acknowledge some benefit from the campaign like inspiring people and spreading some partially good memes. Some speculate it could help some other liberty-leaning politicians. However, it's also constructive to acknowledge some negative results from the campaign and learn from it. It was expensive in money, time, and personal energy, and a lot of people are disillusioned and burned out. Although I must admit that the disillusionment with politics part could be somewhat a positive aspect as well, at least from my point of view, but perhaps only if we manage to reach some of those people with other options.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Caleb on February 22, 2008, 09:26 PM NHFT
I don't think it was a bad observation. Maybe it's more than just Ron Paul though. I think his failure to live up to expectations is a symptom of a bigger problem:  people don't feel that there is anything they can do to change things for the better. Everything that we try seems to fail, and the noose around our necks seems to only get tighter, struggle as we may to free ourselves...

I don't think Ron Paul failed. He tried something and gave it his best shot. And for a brief moment, he let people flirt with the age-old idea that maybe we could make a difference. And now reality has hit people again, and the hangover is worse than how we were before.

Hope is the thing with feathers. It will rise again.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: dalebert on February 23, 2008, 12:12 AM NHFT
Quote from: Caleb on February 22, 2008, 09:26 PM NHFT
I don't think Ron Paul failed.

I probably shouldn't have phrased it how I did. I think I assumed that people would get what I was talking about because there has been a lot of discussion about it already.

There's certainly nothing wrong with having hope, but I think some people were so emotionally invested that they couldn't handle it when their expectations weren't met. Ron Paul did better here than any other primary state, at least for a while, but for some people, that wasn't enough. They were counting on us to go far beyond polls and in their frustration and disappointment, they scape-goated the Free State Project and decided NH wasn't up to par. That lashing out at the FSP is the "unreasonable" part I was talking about. The FSP wasn't even based on a notion of impacting national politics. It was all about local politics when it was conceived.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on February 25, 2008, 02:19 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on February 22, 2008, 11:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on February 21, 2008, 11:02 AM NHFT
join rate has dropped to the lowest i've ever seen..

.35 per day over the last 20 days

Could it be that Ron Paul has inadvertently hurt the liberty movement by failing in the midst of unreasonable expectations?

The FSP board is getting a lot of new people, however.

Could be that the Ron Paul section of the forum, and all the other political boards, got deleted. ;)
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 25, 2008, 07:18 AM NHFT
We were not adding people on this forum because of Ron Paul ... I don't think .... and since we don't really talk politics ... if they were joining forums ... it would be someone elses
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: dalebert on February 25, 2008, 11:51 AM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on February 25, 2008, 02:19 AM NHFT
The FSP board is getting a lot of new people, however.

I thought he was talking about the join rate of the FSP. Was he talking about the join rate of NHFree? I didn't know anyone kept up with that.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on February 25, 2008, 10:53 PM NHFT
This thread is in the "forum issues" board, so I always thought it was about the forum join rate.




Isn't it?
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: error on February 25, 2008, 10:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on February 25, 2008, 10:53 PM NHFT
This thread is in the "forum issues" board, so I always thought it was about the forum join rate.




Isn't it?

It was until it got hijacked!
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: dalebert on February 26, 2008, 06:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on February 25, 2008, 10:53 PM NHFT
This thread is in the "forum issues" board, so I always thought it was about the forum join rate.

OK, my bad.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 26, 2008, 06:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on February 25, 2008, 11:51 AM NHFT
I thought he was talking about the join rate of the FSP. Was he talking about the join rate of NHFree? I didn't know anyone kept up with that.

Yes he was and is. I am not as concerned about it as Dada. It is interesting though. :)
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Caleb on February 26, 2008, 09:25 PM NHFT
I think it was Dada's polite diplomatic way of pontificating on his disagreement with the political forums being deleted.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 27, 2008, 04:40 AM NHFT
Actually there is more room for it ... just on another forum. :)

Dada like new arrangement .... rebel alliance wookie like choices
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: d_goddard on February 27, 2008, 06:04 AM NHFT
I, for one, am glad with thngs as they are now. Different houses for different kinds of goings-on.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 27, 2008, 06:12 AM NHFT
is your house buried in snow like ours? :)
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: dalebert on February 27, 2008, 08:50 AM NHFT
Oh, I was completely confused. I thought he was talking about people signing the FSP pledge. My comments make no sense now. How long did I go back and forth with people while we were on two completely different topics? Ugh.  :blah_by_sarrlas_emotes:

I think it makes sense that the join rate would go down when you more clearly define the organization.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 27, 2008, 09:04 AM NHFT
yea ... we have about 1 person per day sign up ... but most are not active or disappear later ... we have lots of lurkers though :)

the fsp has more than 10/week that sign up and some of them move each week ... most of them stay :)
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on March 21, 2008, 07:19 PM NHFT
join rate has spiked to 2 per day over the three days since the day since russell was arrested on the child support charge...so at least his forum is getting something out of it.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on March 21, 2008, 07:27 PM NHFT
At least one of those accounts belongs to someone else who left and came back. I'm also wondering, who is John Galt?
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: Dave Ridley on April 07, 2008, 10:27 AM NHFT
join rate is now 1.9 per day over last ten days,
that is i think fairly high for a post-political-ban join rate.
Title: Re: join rate
Post by: David on April 10, 2008, 11:31 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 07, 2008, 10:27 AM NHFT
join rate is now 1.9 per day over last ten days,
that is i think fairly high for a post-political-ban join rate.
agree.
A smaller pool of people that might be interested in what we do usually results in lower results. 
The forum is now more focused, and that may actually drive up the join rate.  I assume the other forums will experiance this too.  They are more focused, just in a slightly different direction. 
Title: Re: Forum.NHFree.com join rate
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on April 11, 2008, 08:06 PM NHFT
Not exactly trying to play devils' advocate here, but I take it political discussions have been banned from this forum?

I joined here because the number of people able to hold a conversation without resorting to penis jokes was pretty high. Not knocking the other forums, if that's their thing, but I don't find it entertaining. It was the atmoshphere, not so much the permitted topics, that attracted me here.
Title: Re: Forum.NHFree.com join rate
Post by: dalebert on April 11, 2008, 10:02 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 11, 2008, 08:06 PM NHFT
Not exactly trying to play devils' advocate here, but I take it political discussions have been banned from this forum?

My take on it is it's more political planning that's not desired here. There are lots of forums that were formed specifically for that. It's almost impossible to avoid the subject of what the State is up to lately, but like, don't start topics to discuss who people should vote for for president or make plans for some rally for some politician. We might make fun of them here and talk about some bad policies. We certainly may talk about other actions in response to bad policies like protests, civil disobedience, media to inform and persuade the public, etc. It's the political planning and organizing that's frowned upon. Someone else correct me if that's not quite right.
Title: Re: Forum.NHFree.com join rate
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on April 12, 2008, 04:54 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 11, 2008, 08:06 PM NHFT
I joined here because the number of people able to hold a conversation without resorting to penis jokes was pretty high. Not knocking the other forums, if that's their thing, but I don't find it entertaining. It was the atmoshphere, not so much the permitted topics, that attracted me here.

FTL board?
Title: Re: Forum.NHFree.com join rate
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on April 12, 2008, 09:21 AM NHFT
QuoteFTL board?

You said it, not me.
Title: Re: Forum.NHFree.com join rate
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on April 12, 2008, 09:54 AM NHFT
;D