Who's going this weekend to the gun show? If I go I'll be the Frenchifrench looking guy, shaved bald with a bright yellow shirt on with crappy boots. I might have my black NRA hat on with my ME. medal or my WAZZUUUUUP hat. I havn't figured which one to wear yet. :D I'm pretty sure State Line will be up there with a table.
There will be lots of RP supporters at the door.
I will be there after the MVP meeting.
There's a contingent of FSPers going. I would suggest we wear something to identify us as such like our t-shirts and caps. We ought to have as visible of a presence as possible for events like this where we tend to share a common goal with NH residents.
Quote from: dalebert on August 29, 2007, 04:57 PM NHFT
I would suggest we wear something to identify us as such like our t-shirts and caps.
... that all say "RON PAUL"
Are there background checks or anything or can I just pay cash and not show any ID?
There are no background checks to go to a gun show.
Huh, as irony would have it I was planning to go gun shopping this weekend.
I've never been to a gun show though.
What sort of payment options can I expect?
Could someone also post some more details about the gun show for those of us not in the know?
private sales between individuals do not require you to fill out any forms or do the instant background check. THis is the gun show loophole the anti-gunners are always crying about. If you are purchasing a gun through a dealer though you will have to undergo a check. Most of the people selling a gun at a gun show are dealers but occasionally you will find someone who isn't. I picked up a nice Bushmaster AR-15 a few years ago from a private individual so I didn't have to fill out anything.
Should I bring cash or is there a means to pay by credit card?
Quote from: Puke on August 29, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Should I bring cash or is there a means to pay by credit card?
Your typical private individual isn't going to accept credit cards...
Bill and I are going to the show after the MVP meeting. We will be with the supporters with the Ron Paul balloons, buttons, and shirts ;D
I haven't been to a show in NH but in VA many of the vender's take credit cards. This is nice for Ammo since you usually can't get a better deal for cash on ammo. They are priced at show special prices. Saturday morning is the best time to get the deals on popular types of ammo.
Cash of course works great with most dealers and individual people who rented a table.
I don't know if you need to bring a second form of ID to purchase a fire arm from a FFL. You might what to bring one in case a dealer has a great deal.
Since you can't bring guns into the show I don't know how many private sales will take place. In VA many people stand outside the door or around the entrance to sell personal firearms.
Looking forward to Saturday
Kate
Anyone have a more specific address than just Concord?
Quote from: porcupine kate on August 29, 2007, 06:53 PM NHFT
Since you can't bring guns into the show I don't know how many private sales will take place. In VA many people stand outside the door or around the entrance to sell personal firearms.
Last year I took my revolver into the show - I was looking for a holster for it. The folks at the front door tie wrapped it to disable it. Some of the vendors looked at it as I was looking at different items and asked if I was looking to sell it. So it sounds like this is a common occurrence.
He is the location of the show.
http://dipromo.com/nh/concord.php
Looking forward to seeing everyone.
Thanks for the info.
Looks like a road trip all over NH for me.
:)
You can most definitely bring your own firearms to the show to sell. They just have to be checked in and unloaded.
I heard someone say I need a NH driver's license to buy from a dealer. Can anyone confirm or deny? I still have my GA license.
Quote from: dalebert on August 29, 2007, 08:09 PM NHFT
I heard someone say I need a NH driver's license to buy from a dealer. Can anyone confirm or deny? I still have my GA license.
Every gun I've bought from a NH dealer (6 different dealers) has involved me showing my NH drivers license. It might be possible to provide some other proof of residency to a NH FFL, but I wouldn't bet on it. In addition private sales require that the seller and buyer be personally known to one another or for the buyer to hold a pistol/revolver permit.
-Nat
Quote from: dalebert on August 29, 2007, 08:09 PM NHFT
I heard someone say I need a NH driver's license to buy from a dealer. Can anyone confirm or deny? I still have my GA license.
You need a state-issued photo ID. It doesn't have to be a driver's license (after all, not everyone drives).
It is an ATF requirement that an FFL dealer must verify your identity and residence, with a state-issued photo ID that lists your physical address; P.O. boxes are not acceptable to the ATF. In rural America, there are still many people who live on roads with no official name, whose address is something like "Route 1, Box 398". ATF says that is no longer acceptable, and neither is a P.O. box. :-\
I don't know how long it takes NH to process an ID card, but you can check into it:
http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/driverlic/faq.html#A18
How can I obtain a non-driver ID card?
An original birth certificate and one other form of identification; such as, your social security card or passport; along with proof-of-residency is required.
Complete an APPLICATION FOR DRIVER LICENSE (DSMV 450) .
Appear at:
DOS DMV
23 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03305
OR
Any substation.
Non-US Citizens must appear at the Concord office
If applying for a non-driver ID because of a suspended or revoked driver license and if your image is on file with the DMV, complete the application and pay the $10.00 fee. Your identity will be verified using our database
You can buy a rifle or shotgun with an out of state license, but have to be a state resident to buy a handgun.
Quote from: Romak on August 30, 2007, 07:25 AM NHFT
You can buy a rifle or shotgun with an out of state license, but have to be a state resident to buy a handgun.
Yes, sorry, I was thinking handguns. Romak is right, but only if the laws of both states allow the purchase. Some states have retained the old "contiguous states" restriction, even after the feds removed it.
Quote from: Romak on August 30, 2007, 07:25 AM NHFT
You can buy a rifle or shotgun with an out of state license, but have to be a state resident to buy a handgun.
You're talking about purchasing from "dealers" right? If I buy from a private individual I can just pay cash anonymously and buy whatever I want, right? Or wrong?
Guys n gals, there will be atf officers there in plain cloths to weed out the gangsters and malcontents, trust me on this. The rest of the responcible gun owners will stick to state and federal laws to keep us ALL Kosher. It is the responcibility of each and every one of us gun owners to use our fargen heads in this day and age of PC politics.
1. There is NO gun show loop hole. If you do not sell your gun there that you brought in with you
a. being a hand gun, which needs a back ground check if you don't know the person for at least 5 years (I go by this myself) or,
b. You don't sell your long gun there because of cheese ball gun dealers offering you 10 dollars for a 1000 dollar gun, you should be aware that if you do not ask the person for his or her ID or ask a few responcible questions, the gun WILL be traced back to you if you sell it to a jerkoff and they do something stupid with it. and,
c. If you are really bugged to sell your gun outside of the arena in the parking lot or meet somebody some place to sell your firearm, you can be sure it is a Fed.
Now, that being said.
2. If you want to buy a firearm, other than a black powder revolver/ musket or reproduction of an old firearm, you WILL have to do a federal background check ( . ).
If you are a felon and ask me to sell you a firearm, you will be told to screw off and told the law. If you are a felon and touch a firearm, you are committing an OTHER felony punishable by 10 years in prison, if you touch a smokless powder cartrige, you committed an OTHER felony, punishable by 5 years in prison. You may touch a black powder firearm or revolver BUT be fargan carefull and make sure you know what your doing and what the laws are pertaining to your situation.
Ok, now. I'll keep going. If you sell a pistol to a person you do not know, you have committed a crime. If you sell a long gun to a you don't know, you shouldn't have it in the first place.
Quote from: grasshopper on August 30, 2007, 11:32 AM NHFT
Guys n gals, there will be atf officers there in plain cloths to weed out the gangsters and malcontents, trust me on this. The rest of the responcible gun owners will stick to state and federal laws to keep us ALL Kosher. It is the responcibility of each and every one of us gun owners to use our fargen heads in this day and age of PC politics.
1. There is NO gun show loop hole. If you do not sell your gun there that you brought in with you
a. being a hand gun, which needs a back ground check if you don't know the person for at least 5 years (I go by this myself) or,
b. You don't sell your long gun there because of cheese ball gun dealers offering you 10 dollars for a 1000 dollar gun, you should be aware that if you do not ask the person for his or her ID or ask a few responcible questions, the gun WILL be traced back to you if you sell it to a jerkoff and they do something stupid with it. and,
c. If you are really bugged to sell your gun outside of the arena in the parking lot or meet somebody some place to sell your firearm, you can be sure it is a Fed.
Now, that being said.
2. If you want to buy a firearm, other than a black powder revolver/ musket or reproduction of an old firearm, you WILL have to do a federal background check ( . ).
If you are a felon and ask me to sell you a firearm, you will be told to screw off and told the law. If you are a felon and touch a firearm, you are committing an OTHER felony punishable by 10 years in prison, if you touch a smokless powder cartrige, you committed an OTHER felony, punishable by 5 years in prison. You may touch a black powder firearm or revolver BUT be fargan carefull and make sure you know what your doing and what the laws are pertaining to your situation.
Ok, now. I'll keep going. If you sell a pistol to a person you do not know, you have committed a crime. If you sell a long gun to a you don't know, you shouldn't have it in the first place.
It's so sad that the country has come to this, and it's frightening how much worse it will get.
Will I need a NH DL before I can get a NH CCP? I'm working on getting my birth certificate from home but it may take a while. To me, the CCP is more important.
Quote from: Nat F on August 29, 2007, 08:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on August 29, 2007, 08:09 PM NHFT
I heard someone say I need a NH driver's license to buy from a dealer. Can anyone confirm or deny? I still have my GA license.
Every gun I've bought from a NH dealer (6 different dealers) has involved me showing my NH drivers license. It might be possible to provide some other proof of residency to a NH FFL, but I wouldn't bet on it. In addition private sales require that the seller and buyer be personally known to one another or for the buyer to hold a pistol/revolver permit.
-Nat
You mean New Hampshire's CCW licenses as issued under RSA 159:6?
Quote from: KBCraig on August 29, 2007, 08:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on August 29, 2007, 08:09 PM NHFT
I heard someone say I need a NH driver's license to buy from a dealer. Can anyone confirm or deny? I still have my GA license.
You need a state-issued photo ID. It doesn't have to be a driver's license (after all, not everyone drives).
It is an ATF requirement that an FFL dealer must verify your identity and residence, with a state-issued photo ID that lists your physical address; P.O. boxes are not acceptable to the ATF. In rural America, there are still many people who live on roads with no official name, whose address is something like "Route 1, Box 398". ATF says that is no longer acceptable, and neither is a P.O. box. :-\
In New Hampshire you have to give the RMV your legal address when applying for a drivers license, but you can also give a mailing address, and opt not to have your legal address shown on the license. And UPS Store mailboxes can be written to look like apartment numbers.
Sure, but the department of "safety" bureaucrats are extremely annoying when it comes to the "proof" of your "residence." And if you piss them off. they'll ask you to get your electric bill notarized or something else equally pointless.
I had no issue showing them my lease for proof of residence. It's one page, was typed up by my landlord herself, and appears to have gone through a photocopier or fax machine at least twice.
I went to the Manchester RMV, and the line was so long that there was a cop walking around checking that people had things in order before they got up to the counter only to find they were missing something. He mumbled something like, "I'm not sure about this document; we might not be able to use this" when I showed him it, but when I got to the counter the woman there didn't ask anything about it. She made a photocopy of it, so perhaps they called my landlord to verify it somehow.
It seems that in California and in many other places, gun shows are a pale shadow of what they used to be. You can blame your nearest Demoncrat for this.
Quote from: mackler on August 30, 2007, 11:04 AM NHFT
Quote from: Romak on August 30, 2007, 07:25 AM NHFT
You can buy a rifle or shotgun with an out of state license, but have to be a state resident to buy a handgun.
You're talking about purchasing from "dealers" right? If I buy from a private individual I can just pay cash anonymously and buy whatever I want, right? Or wrong?
Residency requirements are the same, whether purchasing from a dealer or a private individual.
Well, almost the same: a dealer can sell a long gun to a resident of another state, but not a handgun. A non-dealer cannot legally sell any gun to a resident of another state.
And just to be precise, it is "transfer" that is restricted, not selling. You can't give it for free, either.
Quote from: Malum Prohibitum on August 30, 2007, 01:46 PM NHFT
Are the gun shows in NH better than the ones in CALI?
I went to one recently, and there wasnt one rifle that wasnt a collectors item on display. Im sure it has to do with some bullshit regulation, but Im unsure if its federal or state.
I went hoping to decide on a shotgun, and ended up wasting $15 admission to spend 20 minutes looking at ammo cans and bad tshirts.
I went to a gun show in WA, and there was enough of everything there to fight World War III. Everything from antique samurai swords to laser guided assault weapons that looked like they might take me out just by standing too close.
I didn't buy any guns there, but neither do I remember hearing about any requirement for background checking. I'll have to look into that if New Hampshire isn't so free.
Quote from: GraniteForge on August 30, 2007, 05:45 PM NHFT
And, what the heck are "laser guided assault weapons"?
It's a generic term for scary M.F. weapons that are beyond my comprehension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0
Please watch this if you think that if they look scary that they are assault weapons. Please educate yourselves as to the difference.
Quote from: grasshopper on August 31, 2007, 11:47 AM NHFT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0
Please watch this if you think that if they look scary that they are assault weapons. Please educate yourselves as to the difference.
Thank you Mister Grasshopper. Thank you not only for showing everyone that you were out to lunch the day they were handing out senses of humor, but also that you apparently didn't bother to watch the video you thought was going to teach me something.
Mr ATF man (9:06): "The assault weapon has a very menacing appearance to it, but this gun technologically, as far as how it fires, is pretty much the same as a sporting semi-automatic rifle with the exception that this firearm has an exotic-type appearance to it."
Translation:
if they look scary then they are assault weapons.
(http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/Owned_By_Ali_Owned.jpg)