411 incoming transcription follows:
" hi jim johnson lauren canario has been arrested on the way back from the meeting Manchester and shes being taken away for uh not having a dl no registration on the vehicle vehicle is
being towed two of us are standing by the side of the road hwy 101 from Manchester to Keene exact location closer to Manchester than Keene thats all I know hopefully someone can stop by and get us
talk to you later bye bye"
Second msg incoming, location is near Milford walking towards Keene
edited to remove brief notes.
Awesome writing Kat!
Hopefully Margot will read it and see how a REAL article should be written.
FREE LAUREN.
JAIL HER KIDNAPPERS
Kola
Well done, Miss Kanning. Just wanted to point out that in your third to last sentence, you say prison when you mean jail. Those who know the difference might think you're overstating the truth for effect, when in fact you're just putting the truth into perspective for effect. Which I still enjoy that analogy. Thanks for sharing and for all your work on Miss Canario's behalf.
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 09:41 AM NHFT
All fine & well, but she IS part of a civilized society, enjoying something that is very expensive to get & maintain, and cherished by most people on earth.....FREEDOM. And being a member of this society, enjoying the freedoms we have in this country, compels all of us to live under certain guidelines. Part of any civil order. Or should I be able to walk into her house any time I feel like, make something to eat, have a shower & a nap, use her car whenever it suits me? Of course not. Because there are rules to abide by in a civilized world, like them or not.
How does being forced to obtain government permission in order to travel in your own private property outside your home on public roads have anything to do with "FREEDOM?"
Quote from: mvpel on October 22, 2007, 12:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 09:41 AM NHFT
All fine & well, but she IS part of a civilized society, enjoying something that is very expensive to get & maintain, and cherished by most people on earth.....FREEDOM. And being a member of this society, enjoying the freedoms we have in this country, compels all of us to live under certain guidelines. Part of any civil order. Or should I be able to walk into her house any time I feel like, make something to eat, have a shower & a nap, use her car whenever it suits me? Of course not. Because there are rules to abide by in a civilized world, like them or not.
How does being forced to obtain government permission in order to travel in your own private property outside your home on public roads have anything to do with "FREEDOM?"
Really! + for Mvpel!
Great article Kat! :D
Is Lauren still at:
Lauren Canario-Inmate 42103 ::)
Hillsborough County Corrections
445 Willow St.
Manchester, NH 03103 ?
Do I just make the money order directly to Lauren with her inmate #?
Normally Lauren edits the video footage that I shoot. Since she is in jail, I decided it was time I crank out my first edited video product in five years.
Lauren Canario Tour Part 1 of 2: Court
[youtube=425,350]4ZW9yE0RYBY[/youtube]
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 22, 2007, 12:42 PM NHFT
Quote from: mvpel on October 22, 2007, 12:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 09:41 AM NHFT
All fine & well, but she IS part of a civilized society, enjoying something that is very expensive to get & maintain, and cherished by most people on earth.....FREEDOM. And being a member of this society, enjoying the freedoms we have in this country, compels all of us to live under certain guidelines. Part of any civil order. Or should I be able to walk into her house any time I feel like, make something to eat, have a shower & a nap, use her car whenever it suits me? Of course not. Because there are rules to abide by in a civilized world, like them or not.
How does being forced to obtain government permission in order to travel in your own private property outside your home on public roads have anything to do with "FREEDOM?"
Really! + for Mvpel!
Ditto! :)
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 22, 2007, 12:44 PM NHFT
Great article Kat! :D
Is Lauren still at:
Lauren Canario-Inmate 42103 ::)
Hillsborough County Corrections
445 Willow St.
Manchester, NH 03103 ?
Do I just make the money order directly to Lauren with her inmate #?
That's the right address to write to her. The money order thing sounds right, but I'm not positive.
Quote from: dan_sayers on October 22, 2007, 11:57 AM NHFTJust wanted to point out that in your third to last sentence, you say prison when you mean jail.
should we use the official government term .... correctional institution?
cool video Ian
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 22, 2007, 01:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: dan_sayers on October 22, 2007, 11:57 AM NHFTJust wanted to point out that in your third to last sentence, you say prison when you mean jail.
should we use the official government term .... correctional institution?
gulag?
Kola ;D
Nice video Ian.
I liked the captions. That will really help the YouTube audience.
B'crats sure get nervous when a camera is pointed at them. What a bunch of despicable people.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 22, 2007, 01:30 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 22, 2007, 12:44 PM NHFT
Great article Kat! :D
Is Lauren still at:
Lauren Canario-Inmate 42103 ::)
Hillsborough County Corrections
445 Willow St.
Manchester, NH 03103 ?
Do I just make the money order directly to Lauren with her inmate #?
That's the right address to write to her. The money order thing sounds right, but I'm not positive.
Thanks Kat! I'll just call the jail I want to bitch at them anyway. :)
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 22, 2007, 04:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 22, 2007, 01:30 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 22, 2007, 12:44 PM NHFT
Great article Kat! :D
Is Lauren still at:
Lauren Canario-Inmate 42103 ::)
Hillsborough County Corrections
445 Willow St.
Manchester, NH 03103 ?
Do I just make the money order directly to Lauren with her inmate #?
That's the right address to write to her. The money order thing sounds right, but I'm not positive.
Thanks Kat! I'll just call the jail I want to bitch at them anyway. :)
I just called and just in case anyone has the same question, you put the inmate's ( ::)) name and number on the money order.
inmate....I prefer the term 'political prisoner' :P
Lauren Canario
Political Prisoner 42103 1A
Hillsborough Co. Corrections
445 Willow St.
Manchester, NH 03103
...is the address I use.
Quote from: mvpel on October 22, 2007, 12:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 09:41 AM NHFT
All fine & well, but she IS part of a civilized society, enjoying something that is very expensive to get & maintain, and cherished by most people on earth.....FREEDOM. And being a member of this society, enjoying the freedoms we have in this country, compels all of us to live under certain guidelines. Part of any civil order. Or should I be able to walk into her house any time I feel like, make something to eat, have a shower & a nap, use her car whenever it suits me? Of course not. Because there are rules to abide by in a civilized world, like them or not.
How does being forced to obtain government permission in order to travel in your own private property outside your home on public roads have anything to do with "FREEDOM?"
Because she could walk or ride a bike, take a train, bus, plane to any destination in the U.S. w/out being questioned, to protest the govt. & elected officials w/out being jailed or shot, to practice any form of religion w/out being jailed or shot.....just that, to drive there, you've got to prove you posess the ability to drive an automobile... are we supposed to let ANY & EVERYbody drive a car down the road? How bout letting a 10 yr. old drive an 18 wheeler his dad bought him? It's HIS private property, after all.
;D
You haven't flown on an airplane, taken Amtrak, or interstate bus lately have you. They demand ID.
In fact an activist that challenged in court the demand for papers was told that the law was secret, thus they didn't have to show it to him.
Often people walking down the road are detained and papers demanded of them.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 22, 2007, 06:12 PM NHFT
;D
You haven't flown on an airplane, taken Amtrak, or interstate bus lately have you. They demand ID.
In fact an activist that challenged in court the demand for papers was told that the law was secret, thus they didn't have to show it to him.
Often people walking down the road are detained and papers demanded of them.
Of course, you're right (re: public transp)....but my other points ,re: freedoms, are correct.
From this here website - http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#travel (http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#travel)
QuoteThe Right to Travel
As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
Seems like a private property issue. Too bad the gov't has more guns.
I almost wish they had left it in. I can just imagine people having to get licenses to ride horses, or drive a stagecoach. Yes, it's absurd. No less absurd to require a license to drive a car. Each requires skill and training which has to be learned.
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 05:41 PM NHFT
Because she could walk ...
You ass, have you ever tried to walk between towns in America,
people who walk across this country are the most harassed travelers.
Yep, I always get harassed by the police whenever I try to walk across the country, at least two or three times.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 22, 2007, 06:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 05:41 PM NHFT
Because she could walk ...
You ass, have you ever tried to walk between towns in America,
people who walk across this country are the most harassed travelers.
Indeed:
http://ask.metafilter.com/44148/Where-in-the-US-does-the-police-interrogate-pedestrians
And as it mentions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada
Quote from: mvpel on October 22, 2007, 12:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 09:41 AM NHFT
All fine & well, but she IS part of a civilized society, enjoying something that is very expensive to get & maintain, and cherished by most people on earth.....FREEDOM. And being a member of this society, enjoying the freedoms we have in this country, compels all of us to live under certain guidelines. Part of any civil order. Or should I be able to walk into her house any time I feel like, make something to eat, have a shower & a nap, use her car whenever it suits me? Of course not. Because there are rules to abide by in a civilized world, like them or not.
How does being forced to obtain government permission in order to travel in your own private property outside your home on public roads have anything to do with "FREEDOM?"
Public roads/sidewalks are owned collectively. Public roads/sidewalks also contain a common right of way that we all have an individual equal right to use.
The common right of way for roads is subsumed under the collective right to decide on the rules of the road because of the inherent danger involved to bodily and property harm.
The collective rules of sidewalk use are subsumed under our individual equal right of use because foot traffic in the same direction at walking speeds is inherently not very dangerous.
You can't walk three abreast in the same direction or block the common right of way while exercising your first amendment rights of speech, assembly, & petitioning.
Quote from: SethCohn on October 22, 2007, 07:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 22, 2007, 06:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 05:41 PM NHFT
Because she could walk ...
You ass, have you ever tried to walk between towns in America,
people who walk across this country are the most harassed travelers.
Indeed:
http://ask.metafilter.com/44148/Where-in-the-US-does-the-police-interrogate-pedestrians
And as it mentions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada
Police who physical stop you (by telling you to stop) can only do so with legitimate probable cause. If they don't have one, then they can certainly ask you for identification but you are not required to provide it.
Now of course trumped up probable cause occurs all the time.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 22, 2007, 05:02 PM NHFT
Lauren Canario
Political Prisoner 42103 1A
Hillsborough Co. Corrections
445 Willow St.
Manchester, NH 03103
...is the address I use.
Good point, Jim, and perfect timing. I was just putting together a mailing for Lauren. I'll do the same.
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 22, 2007, 07:14 PM NHFT
Police who physical stop you (by telling you to stop) can only do so with legitimate probable cause. If they don't have one, then they can certainly ask you for identification but you are not required to provide it.
Bzzt. Sorry, you lose, but thanks for playing.
The law here in NH:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LIX/594/594-2.htm
594:2 Questioning and Detaining Suspects. – A peace officer may stop any person abroad whom he has reason to suspect is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime, and may demand of him his name, address, business abroad and where he is going.
That's extremely broad 'probable cause', and potential jaywalking or other minor offense is more than enough to trigger it. Loitering would be fine too.
This is considered one of the many Stop and Identify statutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes
Claiming you are Russell Kanning, for example (unless you _are_ Russell), would be illegal, so effectively while not directly requiring ID or license, it's nearly as much - since you must provide your information accurately, just as if it was a ID.
Quote from: SethCohn on October 22, 2007, 07:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 22, 2007, 07:14 PM NHFT
Police who physical stop you (by telling you to stop) can only do so with legitimate probable cause. If they don't have one, then they can certainly ask you for identification but you are not required to provide it.
Bzzt. Sorry, you lose, but thanks for playing.
The law here in NH:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LIX/594/594-2.htm
594:2 Questioning and Detaining Suspects. – A peace officer may stop any person abroad whom he has reason to suspect is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime, and may demand of him his name, address, business abroad and where he is going.
That's extremely broad 'probable cause', and potential jaywalking or other minor offense is more than enough to trigger it. Loitering would be fine too.
This is considered one of the many Stop and Identify statutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes
Claiming you are Russell Kanning, for example (unless you _are_ Russell), would be illegal, so effectively while not directly requiring ID or license, it's nearly as much - since you must provide your information accurately, just as if it was a ID.
How is this anything different than what I said?
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 22, 2007, 06:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 05:41 PM NHFT
Because she could walk ...
You ass, have you ever tried to walk between towns in America,
people who walk across this country are the most harassed travelers.
....fine...and if i'm travelling across your land/yard/property, aren't you going to ask me what i'm doing? who i am?...shoot 1st, ask later?
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 22, 2007, 07:31 PM NHFT
How is this anything different than what I said?
My point was the law is written vague enough, given the myriad laws you can potential break at any moment, that effectively, it's a requirement for mandatory stop and travel id, or at least the equivalent (you must stop if asked, and provide a correct id of yourself, as if you had ID)
Quote from: SethCohn on October 22, 2007, 07:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 22, 2007, 07:31 PM NHFT
How is this anything different than what I said?
My point was the law is written vague enough, given the myriad laws you can potential break at any moment, that effectively, it's a requirement for mandatory stop and travel id, or at least the equivalent (you must stop if asked, and provide a correct id of yourself, as if you had ID)
I said that trumped up probable cause charges occur
all the time...It is your word against the police. I have someone dealing with this exact problem as we speak that occurred in Keene over the weekend.
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 07:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 22, 2007, 06:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 22, 2007, 05:41 PM NHFT
Because she could walk ...
You ass, have you ever tried to walk between towns in America,
people who walk across this country are the most harassed travelers.
....fine...and if i'm travelling across your land/yard/property, aren't you going to ask me what i'm doing? who i am?...shoot 1st, ask later?
no
Jim would put your ragged ass to work
"They're jealous. They feel bad because they haven't got the huevos to live free. They wish they could. That makes them fearful of people who do. The fear manifests itself in a dislike of themselves for their weakness, and that self-doubt then becomes dislike of those who have the strength to do what they can't. So, in order to maintain their whimpering dignity, they 'show us' by passing laws that enable their guardians to harass us."
— Bob Bitchin (publisher, Biker Lifestyle,
Wow.. that really sums them up!
QuoteMere accident of birth is not justification for being ruled by government. A person can be born here, want to live and, and still not want to be part of the system. A contract is made when both parties consent. When one party is not consenting, it's force, not a contract. The social contract myth makes no sense.
Right...so the exclusive use of any location in an inelastic, scarcity market forces costs upon those being excluded. These costs are a naturally occurring economic phenomena and occurs even in anarchy.
There is no choice in the matter.
So what is to be done about this force that is not subject to a voluntary contract in anarchy?
Local governance as legitimate agency is narrowly constituted to protect life, liberty and labor-based property. They require an obligation to not force any costs upon anyone by exclusive use.
The state on the other hand allows exclusive use without an obligation. A landlord in anarchy is the state.
Kat, your last article was very well written.
Five years Ian??? >:D I thought you did well on the video. The part near the end about getting the video of the lady was comical.
Quote from: Puke on October 22, 2007, 06:26 PM NHFTToo bad the gov't has more guns.
If that were true, they wouldn't be so concerned with citizen armament. The reason they are (and why they divide and conquer resolute citizens like Ed Brown) is because there's still more of us than there are of them.
Quote from: SethCohn on October 22, 2007, 07:28 PM NHFTA peace officer may...
I'm no lawyer, so you may be spot on. Just wanted to point out that police have been law enforcement--NOT peace officers--for a long time now.
Quote from: David on October 22, 2007, 09:59 PM NHFT
Kat, your last article was very well written.
Five years Ian??? >:D I thought you did well on the video. The part near the end about getting the video of the lady was comical.
Thank you. I was very pleased with how quickly I was able to put it together. :icon_pirat:
This is going to sound a bit redundant, but...
That is a really good video, Ian!
Russell and Jim made some especially good points in the video.
Quote from: dan_sayers on October 22, 2007, 10:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: Puke on October 22, 2007, 06:26 PM NHFTToo bad the gov't has more guns.
If that were true, they wouldn't be so concerned with citizen armament. The reason they are (and why they divide and conquer resolute citizens like Ed Brown) is because there's still more of us than there are of them.
I think you equivocate on the phrase "more guns". It may be true that 'our side' may have more members translating into a higher quantity of guns, but 'our side' has neither the quality of their guns nor the moral absence to use them. They are not afraid to take on the Browns or any of their threateners of violence. The goal for them is, an always shall be, to loose as few of them as possible with the maximum destruction of their opponent. That is why they can wait for a moment of weakness and always have the upper hand in an action of violence. They can withdraw, reformulate and crush any opponent who chooses violence.
The only effective weapon is be non cooperation. If people choose to say no, the government would have no weapon to use against them except arrest. They would throw people in jail, maybe by the thousands. When there is a thousand people saying no behind bars, they would need to have a thousand of them watching and they would collapse under their economic weight.
Everyone who bought a gun, to defend themselves and their families against the government, needs to step out from behind their gun and start noing the head off every government piece of crap that crosses their path.
If you can't just say no, how are you ever going to pull your gun and kill someone?
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 22, 2007, 11:40 PM NHFT
I think you equivocate on the phrase "more guns". It may be true that 'our side' may have more members translating into a higher quantity of guns, but 'our side' has neither the quality of their guns nor the moral absence to use them. They are not afraid to take on the Browns or any of their threateners of violence. The goal for them is, an always shall be, to loose as few of them as possible with the maximum destruction of their opponent. That is why they can wait for a moment of weakness and always have the upper hand in an action of violence. They can withdraw, reformulate and crush any opponent who chooses violence.
"moral absence to use them." I like that. I already grasped the quality aspect, but you're right that their moral absence is an important factor in the equation.
Evil cannot defeat good in a fair fight. So evil has learned to seduce us by convincing us to side with them in a quiet, imbalanced war of attrition. There are many ways they try to accomplish this. They show up with force and threat of force in an attempt to make us believe that their resolve is more grand. If we are ever to win this war for our own liberties, I think we can all agree that rule number one is to not give up. It is my opinion that believing our opponent is in fact more resolute makes one that much more amenable to victimization. I wish to encourage others not to give up or to give our enemy any such satisfaction.
I think we're of similar minds as to how to achieve our end. I think maybe I just place a greater importance on understanding that we have the upper hand, whether that will be any use to us or not. Morale of the troops can make all the difference. Just look at our forefathers, who really did say, "they have more guns than us" but without the "too bad."
Quote from: dan_sayers on October 23, 2007, 12:37 AM NHFT
They show up with force and threat of force in an attempt to make us believe that their resolve is more grand. If we are ever to win this war for our own liberties, I think we can all agree that rule number one is to not give up. It is my opinion that believing our opponent is in fact more resolute makes one that much more amenable to victimization. I wish to encourage others not to give up or to give our enemy any such satisfaction.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 22, 2007, 11:40 PM NHFT
The only effective weapon is be non cooperation.
...and cameras. Lots of them and often. Like a light on a cockroach.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 22, 2007, 06:12 PM NHFT
;D
You haven't flown on an airplane, taken Amtrak, or interstate bus lately have you. They demand ID.
In fact an activist that challenged in court the demand for papers was told that the law was secret, thus they didn't have to show it to him.
Often people walking down the road are detained and papers demanded of them.
John Gilmore is his name. More information at http://papersplease.org/gilmore
That was such a tragic case on so many levels, not the least of which was the government explicitly stating that it was perfectly fine for the government to both have secret laws, and punish those who broke the laws they both had no reason for knowing existed, nor could read even if they knew of them.
Quote from: SethCohn on October 22, 2007, 07:28 PM NHFT
Claiming you are Russell Kanning, for example (unless you _are_ Russell), would be illegal, so effectively while not directly requiring ID or license, it's nearly as much - since you must provide your information accurately, just as if it was a ID.
as cardinal of the shire ... I christen anyone who wished to travel freely and use my name....
Russell Kanning or Shorty Dawkins. We can ask if Lauren wants her name used. It can also help you identify with the previous non-ID travelers. :)
Quote from: SethCohn on October 22, 2007, 07:36 PM NHFT
My point was the law is written vague enough, given the myriad laws you can potential break at any moment, that effectively, it's a requirement for mandatory stop and travel id, or at least the equivalent (you must stop if asked, and provide a correct id of yourself, as if you had ID)
you are so right my friend ... they can always ask for ID ... they can come up with any reason ... and then they can arrest you for not obeying an officer or not obeying a lawful order .... and hold you on contempt of court... until they find it politically inexpedient to keep you.
I LOVE LESS NESSMEN
THIS IS INSANITY
24 NOT WHEN EVER THE JUDGE FEELS LIKE IT
When: Monday November 5th, starting around 5:30 pm
What: Candlelight vigil, V Mask demonstration outside Lauren's jail
Where: 445 Willow St., Manchester
Bring: candles, V-masks, capes, pitchforks, signs, warm clothes
More info about Lauren's imprisonment:
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11106.0
8)
Party at the Ministry of Love :party-smiley-020:
:V_mask_50: :V_mask_50: :V_mask_50:
Wish I could go. :'(
i'm in
I need a v mask is there somwhere local where i can get on?
95 percent chance I can come.
Will look for V-mask.
we found them at a costume store
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 23, 2007, 08:07 PM NHFT
we found them at a costume store
LOL, nice tip Russell, now I won't
waste time checking the cheese isle in the super market.
Fromage is OK for atkins ;D
This is a great idea, Kat. I hope we get a good turnout. I'll be there.
sent to the judge just now
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Judge Crocker:
My name is Dave Ridley. I do the "RidleyReport" out of Manchester:
http://youtube.com/RidleyReport
It's just a little internet newscast, but it ropes in about 800 viewers a day. I'd like to interview you on tape regarding the arrest and continued detention of DL refusenik Lauren Canario. I'm doing a story about it today, which will probably air tomorrow. I want to be up front with you that I am a pro-liberty reporter, but I will go out of my way to treat you fairly and accurately present your position. That, of course, is only possible if I'm able to speak with you.
Give me a shout if you like, and thanks for making your e-mail available for folks like me to contact you.
Dave Ridley
(number)
8)
left msg with chief also similar msg.
here is draft script any one see any factual errors?
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These are the last known images of Winchester resident Lauren Canario. here she is enjoying a visit to manchester on october 2. Less than six hours later...Canario disappears from public view.
But the fifty-something Winchester resident is not feared dead , or missing.
Lauren's husband photographs these cryptic images shortly after midnight on October 3. They depict milford police officers stopping lauren for an alleged speeding violation on the way home. When Canario refuses to produce papers....Milford PD seizes her vehicle, and her!
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(sot w chief)
as of last report, canario is in round the clock solitary confinement at Manchester's Valley Street jail.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gz1kbmDqsyc
(standup)
Canario is what they call a nonviolent noncooperator . For the most part, she refeses to speak with authorites, declines to show identification, and will not walk where government officials tell her.
Here's Canario refusing to go where she's told after a 2005 act of civil disobedience...forcing guards to port her around in a wheelchair.
Here she is again in 2006.... This time she's refusing leave a New London, Connecticutt home after government officials there tried to seize it using eminent domain. she did three months at a state prison for this one. But in the process she drew mainstreamedia attention to the abuse of government power in america
(6:00 http://youtube.com/watch?v=v-ElrlwnMrA lauren is ... these residents)
Since then, canario has stared down far more powerful forces. She occupied an IRS office in July of 07, and violated Federal orders to stay off this road near the home of tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown. Both events triggered brief detentions. but washington has been reluctant to confine her for long....Even head U.S. Marshal Steve Monier says he admires Lauren's crusade against eminent domain.
refusing to show papers, while driving, is less popular. it puts canario further out on the civil disobedience limb...
(:50 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gz1kbmDqsyc it's not the fight ...whatsoever)
But supporters have loyally descended on the jail, at least five times since the arrest. they're drawn by a desire for fairness and proportion ... and to her fellow captives, banging on the cell windows, holding up their tiny free lauren posters....canario is a hero.
it's now october 24th... lauren has been held for over three weeks without trial. Most of her charges stem from doing nothing - when told to do something. Contempt of court, refusing to obey an officer,
Didn't notice factual errors, but 'refuses' has a typo.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 24, 2007, 12:22 PM NHFT
Judge Crocker:
Judge Martha Crocker?
http://www.nhbar.org/publications/archives/display-news-issue.asp?id=671
And this is in Mass, but could be the same judge in a penis costume case: (yes, a penis costume)
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=12402
Anyone know where there's a picture? In my cartoon, I use a parody of a fictional character, much like I did of Monier in the Browns cartoon. It'll do for now.
Quote from: Judge Martha Crockerpolice officers do not necessarily meet the "reasonable man" standard.
Quite an interesting quote, if only the judge actually meant what she said.
-Nat
here dale...u can email judge crocker and ask her to send u a pic :)
i am not kidding i think u should
"dear judge crocker i am doing a political cartoon about you and was wondering if i could have yer pic"
LOL
Call/write Milford District Court to complain about Lauren being denied due process:
Milford District Court
Phone : (603) 673-2900
Judge Martha Crocker
MCrocker@Courts.State.NH.US
Quote from: dalebert on October 24, 2007, 02:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 24, 2007, 12:22 PM NHFT
Judge Crocker:
Judge Martha Crocker?
http://www.nhbar.org/publications/archives/display-news-issue.asp?id=671
And this is in Mass, but could be the same judge in a penis costume case: (yes, a penis costume)
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=12402
Anyone know where there's a picture? In my cartoon, I use a parody of a fictional character, much like I did of Monier in the Browns cartoon. It'll do for now.
If he's not in the costume would it not be a foreskin? Sorry.....back to Lauren.
Quote from: coffeeseven on October 24, 2007, 02:54 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on October 24, 2007, 02:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 24, 2007, 12:22 PM NHFT
Judge Crocker:
Judge Martha Crocker?
http://www.nhbar.org/publications/archives/display-news-issue.asp?id=671
And this is in Mass, but could be the same judge in a penis costume case: (yes, a penis costume)
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=12402
Anyone know where there's a picture? In my cartoon, I use a parody of a fictional character, much like I did of Monier in the Browns cartoon. It'll do for now.
If he's not in the costume would it not be a foreskin? Sorry.....back to Lauren.
Judge Crotcher in a penis costume case?
I thought it was Judge Betty Crocker.
or Judge Cracker-Ass?
sorry...kinda,
Kola
Quote from: coffeeseven on October 24, 2007, 02:54 PM NHFT
If he's not in the costume would it not be a foreskin? Sorry.....back to Lauren.
That's the hooded version of the costume.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 24, 2007, 04:50 PM NHFT
Quote from: coffeeseven on October 24, 2007, 02:54 PM NHFT
If he's not in the costume would it not be a foreskin? Sorry.....back to Lauren.
That's the hooded version of the costume.
;D
Bump
Flashlights will let the folks inside know we are outside...
Let's let Lauren know she's not forgotten.
ok just uploaded today's video report about lauren, which is kind of experimental and different from the others
http://youtube.com/RidleyReport
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 24, 2007, 09:19 PM NHFT
ok just uploaded today's video report about lauren, which is kind of experimental and different from the others
http://youtube.com/RidleyReport
The "ski area" in Andover that you filmed is the ski jumping hill at Proctor Academy.
Good job, Dave. I was jonesing for a Ridley Report with some substance! (Not that I have anything against leaf peeping)
I thought it was a good executive summary of Lauren's situation.
What will you do if the bureaucrats don't call you back? Show up at their office with the camera?
no, i doubt i will go hunt the bureaucrats with my camera. i don't go out of my way hardly at all to do ridley reports...not yet.
i think it's important to start super small and just go places I would have gone anyway. that way there are few expenses. as i get more revenue i'll be able to justify more effort.
i wont be upset if they dont call back; I'll just report that they didn't call back.
Which will just raise the question...
Marshal monier calls back, why can't they?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 24, 2007, 09:19 PM NHFT
ok just uploaded today's video report about lauren, which is kind of experimental and different from the others
http://youtube.com/RidleyReport
Beautiful tribute, Dave.
I like the slower pace and documentary style. I half expected to hear "now you will see Jim administrating the anestha-dart to the government rhinoceros".
All kidding aside very, very well done.
The current installment of "LaMuse" reminds me of Lauren. :)
http://bigheadpress.com/lamuse?page=168
(Read through p.170 to understand why it reminds me of Lauren. ;D )
Oh, and if you haven't read this comic, I highly recommend it. It's the same people who turned The Probability Broach into a graphic novel. If you don't want to start at the beginning, the short version is that Susan LaMuse and her sister Libby are aliens who have taken human form. Libby tries to live a conventional life, while Susan is something more of a free spirit. ;) She bops around the world curing AIDS, stopping racism, ending hunger, etc., all with unintended consequences similar to "Bruce Almighty". The PTB who depend on such strife in the world are out to shut her down.
Updates of a page or two every Monday-Wednesday-Friday. The artwork for the online edition isn't always the final version. Sometimes it's obviously unfinished. Still a fascinating story, though!
"This time she's refusing leave a New London"
to leave?
I hope she knows she's not forgotten. I hope she's not scared or lonely...I hope she's well fed and feeling well.
You guys....how is it even legal that she is still being held? It's been three weeks...that seems, wrong..and more than just in my gut, I feel like that violates the basic laws of this land. I feel like she is being punished for not bowing to the "mighty system". That's what this is, isn't it?
I will be there on the 5th of November. Newbury Comics, on South Willow in Manchvegas has V masks and some other good dissenters gear.
I just can't understand this. I still just can't understand how it is possible that she is still there. Can anyone speak to her? Has anyone tried? I suppose they won't allow her any phone calls because she's "uncooperative". :'(
Can we go and demand to see her? I hope she heard the music that was played for her. I hope she knows that people are thinking about her.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 24, 2007, 09:19 PM NHFT
ok just uploaded today's video report about lauren, which is kind of experimental and different from the others
http://youtube.com/RidleyReport
Well done Sir, as usual. ;) Nice alternative to real-time news coverage.
Respectfully; the script is very well written, but the dialog cadence is a bit off-time with the video. :blush:
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/NEWS01/310250118/-1/news
Free-Stater still jailed after arrest
By HATTIE BERNSTEIN, Telegraph Staff
Nashua Telegraph
MILFORD – Lauren Canario, the Winchester woman who refused to cooperate with police during a routine traffic stop earlier this month, remains jailed.
Canario, 50, a member of the Free State Project, has been incarcerated since the incident Oct. 2 and is being held at Hillsborough County Department of Corrections in Manchester.
Meanwhile, state Department of Transportation officials on Tuesday removed a sign reading "FREE LAUREN" from the site of her arrest.
The sign violated state law that prohibits posting signage on any state right-of-way. Such postings distract drivers and pose a safety risk, according to DOT spokesman Bill Boynton.
The video of her arrest by Milford police, made by her husband, Jim Johnson, has become a popular video on YouTube.com. It has been viewed more than 5,700 times since it was posted two weeks ago.
"I commend my officers for the way they handled this," police Chief Fred Douglas told The Telegraph during a telephone interview Wednesday. "They were professional and sensitive, and they also had a job to do, to uphold the laws of the state."
Canario was not arraigned because she refused to speak after she was taken to Milford District Court, according to Douglas. District Court Judge Martha Crocker ordered her to jail.
Douglas said the incident wasn't the first he's seen in his police career, although the videotaping was new, as was the sign posted on the state road.
"They had similar beliefs," Douglas said, referring to arrests he witnessed in the early 1980s. "The bottom line is laws are set up for a purpose, and if everybody acted like that, it would be a very different state to live in."
The Free State Project is an effort to bring 20,000 people to New Hampshire who agree with their statement of intent, "government exists at most to protect people's rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else."
Free Staters believe they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses.
Police officer George Durham stopped Canario after clocking her vehicle traveling at 72 miles per hour on Route 101A west, according to court documents.
When the officer went to the passenger side of Canario's yellow Isuzu and knocked on the window, a male passenger turned a video camera on him and rolled down the window.
While Durham requested Canario's license and registration, the passenger continued to train his camera on the officer, recording Canario saying she had neither a license nor vehicle registration.
The driver refused to respond to any further questions, prompting the police officer to call for assistance.
When a second officer arrived on the scene, the colleagues attempted to open the driver's door, which was locked.
Canario was told she was under arrest for disobeying a police officer, and according to the video and court documents, was asked to get out of her car.
She refused to speak to the officers and went limp. As a result, the officers alternately carried and dragged her to the cruiser, according to court documents.
After she was removed her from the car, she was handcuffed and checked for weapons.
A police check revealed Canario's driver registration had expired and her license was suspended.
She has been charged with disobeying a police officer, resisting arrest, driving after suspension, speeding and operating an unregistered vehicle.
Bail was set at $10,000, but because Canario refused to speak at her arraignment, she was returned to jail where she has been held for the past 22 days.
As of Wednesday, the Milford District Court had not set another court date. It is anticipated one will be set within the next week.
Douglas said the court will be the final arbiter.
"They can go to court and plead their case, and let the judicial system make that decision," the police chief said.
Great video journalism, Dave. :)
Another cartoon about Lauren has been posted at http://anarchyinyourhead.com . Some people need to contact the telegraph and tell them that their broad statement about FSPers is incorrect. It applies to some of us but definitely not all 20,000. Maybe we should put them in touch with Jason so he can explain their mistaken assumptions.
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 25, 2007, 10:33 AM NHFT
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/NEWS01/310250118/-1/news
Free-Stater still jailed after arrest
By HATTIE BERNSTEIN, Telegraph Staff
Nashua Telegraph
...
The Free State Project is an effort to bring 20,000 people to New Hampshire who agree with their statement of intent, "government exists at most to protect people's rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else."
Free Staters believe they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses.
The statement in bold applies to me and a number of FSPers I know, but it's glaringly incorrect to apply this to all FSPers. There are 7800 official signers and probably a number of others considering it and I'm sure they don't all share that sentiment. I called the paper and left a message for Hattie Bernstein suggesting that she contact Jason Sorens and offering to assist her in getting in touch with him if she's going to make statements about the FSP.
I suggest others call her as well.EDIT: Dave was just suggesting to me that we don't barrage her with angry phone calls because we don't want to discourage media coverage, even if it's not 100% accurate. My call wasn't angry. I just pointed out the mistake and offered to help her get in touch with Jason. Let's see if we can use this to get yet more coverage and perhaps more accurate coverage. Maybe she'll call me back. Dave referred me to an article at the FSP website about dealing with the media. I'll read it soon when I get a chance and I recommend others do too.
QuoteThe sign violated state law that prohibits posting signage on any state right-of-way. Such postings distract drivers and pose a safety risk, according to DOT spokesman Bill Boynton.
Selective enforcement is a hallmark of tyranny.
Quote from: mvpel on October 25, 2007, 11:14 AM NHFT
QuoteThe sign violated state law that prohibits posting signage on any state right-of-way. Such postings distract drivers and pose a safety risk, according to DOT spokesman Bill Boynton.
I find speed limit signs and stop signs and such very distracting to my driving. ;D
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 25, 2007, 10:33 AM NHFT
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/NEWS01/310250118/-1/news
Free-Stater still jailed after arrest
By HATTIE BERNSTEIN, Telegraph Staff
Nashua Telegraph
...
The Free State Project is an effort to bring 20,000 people to New Hampshire who agree with their statement of intent, "government exists at most to protect people's rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else."
Free Staters believe they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses.
Perfect opportunity for a letter to the editor correcting the article. Mistakes keep the story alive in this way. Perhaps Irena or Jason should take advantage to get published.
Quote from: dalebert on October 25, 2007, 11:01 AM NHFT
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 25, 2007, 10:33 AM NHFT
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/NEWS01/310250118/-1/news
Free-Stater still jailed after arrest
By HATTIE BERNSTEIN, Telegraph Staff
Nashua Telegraph
...
The Free State Project is an effort to bring 20,000 people to New Hampshire who agree with their statement of intent, "government exists at most to protect people's rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else."
Free Staters believe they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses.
The statement in bold applies to me and a number of FSPers I know, but it's glaringly incorrect to apply this to all FSPers. There are 7800 official signers and probably a number of others considering it and I'm sure they don't all share that sentiment. I called the paper and left a message for Hattie Bernstein suggesting that she contact Jason Sorens and offering to assist her in getting in touch with him if she's going to make statements about the FSP. I suggest others call her as well.
The statement of intent was changed from saying the "sole role of government is to protect..." to the "maximal role of government is to protect..." in order to accommodate the "anarchists".
At the time, the president of the FSP was an anarchist.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 25, 2007, 11:41 AM NHFT
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 25, 2007, 10:33 AM NHFT
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/NEWS01/310250118/-1/news
Free-Stater still jailed after arrest
By HATTIE BERNSTEIN, Telegraph Staff
Nashua Telegraph
...
The Free State Project is an effort to bring 20,000 people to New Hampshire who agree with their statement of intent, "government exists at most to protect people's rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else."
Free Staters believe they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses.
Perfect opportunity for a letter to the editor correcting the article. Mistakes keep the story alive in this way. Perhaps Irena or Jason should take advantage to get published.
I wrote the author earlier today. I received a polite response saying she was pass along the information to her editors.
I wrote:
In your article on Lauren Canario, you wrote:
"Free Staters believe they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses."
I hope you'll take the chance to correct the impression that all Free Staters fall into this category. The only thing they can be said to have in common, is that they believe the FSP's statement of intent: that "the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty and property."
Beyond that, Free Staters are hugely diverse. Members include Libertarian Party members, traditional conservative Republicans, Democrats, Christian Anarchists, and those who simply defy categorization.
Lauren is one individual among many. Over 500 Free Staters have moved to NH, and the vast majority of them follow the more traditional route. They might wish to change the laws, but they follow them in the meantime.
Lauren is a friend of mine. I support her, and I don't believe she should be in jail, but I don't take the same route she has chosen. Like the vast majority of Free Staters, I pay taxes, register my cars, and hold a valid driver's license. I agree that taxes should be vastly lower, and that registration and licensing are an unnecessary burden. I prefer to follow the traditional political process to change these things; Lauren believes differently.
The blanket statement in your article is simply incorrect.
Thanks for your time.
Kevin Craig
Yes, like usual, rebuke and alienate the reporter over a minor detail. That should bring more media coverage.
Or perhaps one could just thank her for covering it and for writing a great article, like a professional publicist would do.
Quote from: Sarah on October 25, 2007, 12:16 PM NHFTBy doing what's always been done (paying the bureaucrats and voting, etc.), do you expect to make change happen?
Why shouldn't he? Change has already happened on a number of different fronts with only a few hundred Free Staters having moved here.
Mr. Fisher, I am not perfect. If somebody offers me criticism, I take it with a grain of salt. If their delivery and therefore presumed intent is constructive, I am additionally thankful that they respect me and my efforts enough to help me make them as sharp as possible. Journalism is SUPPOSED to be a statement of fact. In another thread, we have people espousing to distance themselves from others who might be the unintentional source of divide. Here instead, we have the appropriate action: NOT distancing ourselves from each other, but rather a clarification that they linked two things that are not exclusively linked as stated. In light of the other thread, I was proud to see people in this thread handling it the productive way.
Quote from: dalebert on October 25, 2007, 10:50 AM NHFT
Another cartoon about Lauren has been posted at http://anarchyinyourhead.com .
I liked the last cartoon because of its statement. This one, I literally laughed out loud over. The exaggerations are flawless and makes for a truly entertaining portrayal. :)
Can anyone see what the Keene Sentinel had to say about Lauren today?
Quote from: dan_sayers on October 25, 2007, 01:39 PM NHFT
In another thread, we have people espousing to distance themselves from others who might be the unintentional source of divide.
Choosing violence is not an unintentional source of divide. Everyone here knows, or should know, that movements based on violence and nonviolence cannot permanently coexist within the same small group of people.
Quote from: mvpel on October 25, 2007, 11:14 AM NHFT
QuoteThe sign violated state law that prohibits posting signage on any state right-of-way. Such postings distract drivers and pose a safety risk, according to DOT spokesman Bill Boynton.
Selective enforcement is a hallmark of tyranny.
I would think it goes beyond that...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
And on the state level...
[Art.] 22. [Free Speech; Liberty of the Press.] Free speech and liberty of the press are essential to the security of freedom in a state: They ought, therefore, to be inviolably preserved.
So I would think it could be argued successfully that any law disallowing someone to post a sign (ie free speech) would be unconstitutional.
However based on the argument made in the article it would sound as if they are using the clear and present danger take it on in order to outlaw that form of speech. Clear and present danger is what allows speech to be criminalized in cases such as yelling fire in a crowded theater in that you create a clear and present danger in the form of people possible hurting themselves over your actions. This is a weak argument though and if the free state group had any lawyers I would think this would be a good one to challenge.
QuoteThe sign violated state law that prohibits posting signage on any state right-of-way.
The right of way is actual a common right (individual equal).
The road itself is owned collectively. Some roads are federal, some are state, some are county, some are local and some are private.
Quote from: Sarah on October 25, 2007, 04:05 PM NHFT
EA, gosh. How can you agree that the govs own the roads? Did they engage in voluntary free agreements whereby the roads were rightfully transferred to their ownership?
Transferred from whom exactly?
If the roads/sidewalks were privatized then we would all lose our individual equal rights to the common right of way which is used for freedom of speech, assembly, petitioning, etc.
The only responsibility of the government as it relates to the common right of way (individual equal rights) that run within the roads and sidewalks is to insure no individual is infringing on another individual's equal right.
Now certainly the roads could be paid for by user fees more equitably but what about the positive externalities?
I don't like the general use of the word "government" nor do I like the general use of the term "public" because people use it to mean collective/joint ownership AND common ownership where they are not the same.
Quote from: lildog on October 25, 2007, 03:26 PM NHFTSo I would think it could be argued successfully that any law disallowing someone to post a sign (ie free speech) would be unconstitutional.
The courts have upheld time, manner, and place restrictions on individual speech. My point here is that they leave the signs promoting politicians during campaign season, or Merrimack Fall Festivals, or whatever, alone even when posted on public right of ways, but if there's a message they don't like or that bothers them in some way, they whip out the law and take down the sign.
It's a particularly insidious form of censorship - they need to either routinely and promptly take down all signs, even the "WELCOME HOME PFC. SMITH!" banners and the decorated crosses marking fatal car wreck sites, or they need to leave all signs alone.
Quote from: Sarah on October 25, 2007, 04:21 PM NHFT
Hey, it's going to be much easier to understand each other's thoughts and feelings if we avoid answering questions with questions.
This is why I left the FTL BBS. All of the academics endlessly dissecting the phantom of ownership when all they really needed to do was say
the state thinks they own us. Seemed to be a problem with putting the abstract into the real world.
Or as one fellow on this board said
that would pull back the curtain on public theater.
Quote from: Sarah on October 25, 2007, 04:21 PM NHFT
Hey, it's going to be much easier to understand each other's thoughts and feelings if we avoid answering questions with questions.
All over the boards, I see you claiming that sidewalks (and such) are "collectively owned." Then I see that you claim there are various "state, federal" etc. claims upon those areas.
Could you carefully and patiently (as to a child) describe & explain your bases for these claims?
Then perhaps I'll have no questions to ask.
Thank you very kindly for doing so, in advance of the doing. :)
The foundation of property rights (and the freedom that flows from those rights) is the property that each person has in himself and, by extension, in the fruits his labor. So the basis of libertarianism is the absolute right of self-ownership and the non-aggression principle is then derived from this - correct?
This is summarized as a universal ethic in John Locke in his 2nd Treatise on Government:
"The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it which obliges everyone; and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind who will but consult it that, being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions ..."
If there is only one person alive in this world there is no need for property rights as there can be no human conflict so this human can go anywhere and do whatever they want. When the next person shows up then we have a potential for conflict so we develop the concept of property rights to avoid conflict. But his/her rights to go wherever they want is not abrogated but rather transformed into an individual equal access right (common rights).
From Locke's 2nd Treatise on Goverment
"Sect. 27. Though the earth, and all inferior creatures, be common to all men, yet every man has a property in his own person: this no body has any right to but himself. The labour of his body, and the work of his hands, we may say, are properly his. Whatsoever then he removes out of the state that nature hath provided, and left it in, he hath mixed his labour with, and joined to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his property. It being by him removed from the common state nature hath placed it in, it hath by this labour something annexed to it, that excludes the common right of other men: for this labour being the unquestionable property of the labourer, no man but he can have a right to what that is once joined to, at least where there is enough, and as good, left in common for others."
Since the basis of property rights is labor, then everything that pre-exists human labor is equally accessible by all as an individual equal right. As part of common law, the trails and paths that allowed people to freely travel were used in common (individual equal right) as no one person's labor created them.
When we actually construct a road surface for cars to travel along or sidewalks we pay people for their labor to do this out of tax money. We could do this more effectively from those who directly benefit by tolls but landowners along a road that don't use the roads will benefit from proximity to access as a positive externality.
Because car travel has such a high risk of bodily and property injury then we subsume the common right of way contained within and a collective body (via delegated authority to lawmakers) decides on the rules of the road. Travel via foot on sidewalks is much, much less risky so the common right of way is superior so that we can exercise our common right of speech, assembly and petitioning for redress of greivances.
Quote from: mvpel on October 25, 2007, 04:34 PM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on October 25, 2007, 03:26 PM NHFTSo I would think it could be argued successfully that any law disallowing someone to post a sign (ie free speech) would be unconstitutional.
The courts have upheld time, manner, and place restrictions on individual speech. My point here is that they leave the signs promoting politicians during campaign season, or Merrimack Fall Festivals, or whatever, alone even when posted on public right of ways, but if there's a message they don't like or that bothers them in some way, they whip out the law and take down the sign.
It's a particularly insidious form of censorship - they need to either routinely and promptly take down all signs, even the "WELCOME HOME PFC. SMITH!" banners and the decorated crosses marking fatal car wreck sites, or they need to leave all signs alone.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/downersgrovesun/news/482924,6_1_NA26_DSPROTEST_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/downersgrovesun/news/482924,6_1_NA26_DSPROTEST_S1.article)
QuoteI may build a road which later is used by others
But I have no common right of way within that road as it is private property.
QuoteAfter all, where my feet go, a path may form.
That is how common right of ways formed as the basis of common law. But it is not your labor solely which would make it private.
QuoteI haven't paid any such taxes for 10+ years.
Have you owned any land in proximity? If you have then you are a "free rider"...
Have you used the sidewalks for foot travel?
QuoteI will willingly build the pathways I need.
Really? Have you started digging yet?
QuoteI am not interested in ownership-through-theft. That is criminal.
You still haven't answered who the roads were originally stolen from. I already said that tolls and capturing the positive externalities from landowners in proximity are much fairer.
Quotewho the heck is 'we'?
The joint owners of the roads.
QuoteSeriously! Only a man, woman or child can think. Groups cannot.
Collectives (groups) can make joint decisions. My family is one - we use consensus.
Quote from: RattyDog on October 25, 2007, 07:42 AM NHFT
You guys....how is it even legal that she is still being held? It's been three weeks...that seems, wrong..and more than just in my gut, I feel like that violates the basic laws of this land.
If a person doesn't coöperate, the system sort of gets stuck. A long time ago, trials couldn't even go forward if a person refused to enter a plea,
e.g., the famous example of Giles Corey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Corey). There are workarounds in place for that nowadays—a judge enters a not-guilty plea "on behalf" of the defendant—but it looks like they still don't know how to handle someone who refuses to be booked or arraigned.
Big thanks to Mengerfan for are duking it out with the ignoramuses in the comment section on Rogers video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc
The blind worship of police, laws, and the state makes me sad, angry, and disgusted. The government really has done a bang up job of indoctrinating the American people.
:'(
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 25, 2007, 10:01 PM NHFT
Big thanks to Mengerfan for are duking it out with the ignoramuses in the comment section on Rogers video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc
The blind worship of police, laws, and the state makes me sad, angry, and disgusted. The government really has done a bang up job of indoctrinating the American people.
:'(
Yep, otherwise we wouldn't be living in the police state that we are living in now.
Sarah, I do not believe I've met you, but I must ask you to please stop the personal attacks against me on various threads. It only detracts from the issue.
My post was very simple to understand:
If some of us want to use violence, and if some of us reject all violence, even in self-defense, then a conflict will eventually erupt within our movement. Excuse the pun, but please do not shoot the messenger, Dave, for merely relaying the message.
Why despair? There is always hope.
Lauren gives me hope.
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 25, 2007, 10:34 PM NHFT
Why despair? There is always hope.
Lauren gives me hope.
Just because I find their comments to be disgusting doesn't mean I despair. I have plenty of hope and am moving forward. 8)
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 25, 2007, 10:34 PM NHFT
Why despair? There is always hope.
Lauren gives me hope.
She does, doesn't she. :)
Her moral compass is a wall.
Good to hear from you Michael.
David,
I just read your signature and want to thank you for creating yet another concept to draw activists here to Keene. Have you posted a thread here about it yet?
:icon_pirat:
Welcome back Mike. You have the Noble position of Lancelot in our struggle.
There should be no despair in Lauren's struggle. There should be only joy...that one of us has stepped forward to be the lighting rod for the lazy and contemptible citizenry of The United States of America. The abused and down trod may now have someone that they can abuse and humiliate. Someone they can transfer their anger upon, for every hour they have had to stand in a DMV line and every sneer they have had to endure from a DMV employee they can now unload on to Lauren.
Lauren hangs on the states cross...for saying no...and she will bear the sins of every citizen who could have said no but did not.
Quote from: Sarah on October 25, 2007, 02:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: Sarah on October 25, 2007, 12:16 PM NHFT
Kevin, I have a couple of questions for you.
Kevin?
As busy as this forum is, it's not real-time chat. ;) I actually had obligations today that kept me away from the forum for about 12 hours. Sorry to keep you waiting. Sometimes you have to give me more than 2:20 to reply. ;D
Quote from: Sarah on October 25, 2007, 12:16 PM NHFT
By doing what's always been done (paying the bureaucrats and voting, etc.), do you expect to make change happen?
Also, what is the change you would want to see?
Thanks.
Not disclaimer needed as far as I'm concerned. Sorry you had to deal with someone misunderstanding you. I have to deal with it too, so sometimes I'm wordier than I'd normally choose to be.
The "traditional way" has gained us some ground in NH. Even when we lost some issues after the last election, our political activists kept it from being far, far worse. Without them serving as a check on the tyrants in charge, can you imagine how much worse it would be?
I respect and admire Lauren and Jim, as well as Russell and Kat, Caleb, and everyone else who has had the courage of their convictions, and has opted out of the system. Living your life as if the government doesn't matter takes bravery. There are also big risks involved. Risks like being in jail for months, for refusing to cooperate in being convicted of charges that would carry, at most, a few hundred dollars in fines and little-to-no jail time. That's a big price to pay for principles, but I will not question whether it's "worth it" to those involved. Obviously it is, or they wouldn't be willing to suffer so.
I want to end the laws that allow them to be harassed and imprisoned for daring to deny that the state has authority over them. I'd like to make it easier for others to follow their path, by reducing the risks and costs for doing so.
I will not trust in the good graces of elected officials to end these laws all on their own. Effecting political change requires political involvement. Gandhi's activism was not apolitical; he was
astutely political, and aimed his efforts at his foes' weak spot. He knew he was dealing with a government that was vulnerable to a sense of shame. I fear that 21st Century American government would laugh off such efforts.
Gandhi had the sad advantage of a populace who were desperately poor. They had nothing left to lose, except their lives. Whether they starved to death from an unpayable tax on producing salt, or were gunned down at protests, the difference in lifespan was a matter of days. They had no homes to seize, no cars to impound, no bank accounts to seize. Their earthly possessions were limited to a couple of yards of cloth in the form of a sarong or sari, and a couple of cooking pots and utensils. Survival was a daily struggle. The poorest of the poor in America today are fabulously wealthy compared to Gandhi's masses.
Gandhi's poor masses were also packed together quite densely. Word spread quickly without benefit of telephones, radio, or the Internet. Hundreds of thousands were within walking distance, no matter where the protest took place.
Those teeming millions had no voice in politics. They literally had no other choice. As an educated teacher and lawyer, Gandhi recognized and took brilliant advantage of the situation at hand, and used it to apply social pressure (in England, not India) against the politicos who ruled India. Gandhi's situation was not the same as our situation, and the same methods in different circumstance won't necessarily work.
I support my non-violent, non-cooperative friends. To help end their suffering, I want to shut down the political institutions which harm them. Those institutions are creations of government; ironically, it requires government to change them. Our current government is hugely more powerful than colonial Britain. Changing it requires either participating in the process, or massive popular resistance.
Read the comments in the Union Leader's article about Lauren, and tell me how much popular support you think she enjoys.
>:(
I'm angry at those who have locked her up. Me refusing to pay taxes, register my car, or get a driver's license won't set Lauren free, nor stop them from doing it again. Prodding representatives in the General Court to change the law has a far more immediate impact, and on many more people.
Sorry for the length; I hope you understand my position and reasoning.
Kevin
Since only operation of motor vehicles is licensed, perhaps people should start using horses.
If you write to Lauren, she'll know she isn't forgotten. I do think she's being punished for not bowing to the system.
I have vmask fever ... the kind you cannot cure by going to a long island grocery store.
Quote from: RattyDog on October 25, 2007, 07:42 AM NHFT
I hope she knows she's not forgotten. I hope she's not scared or lonely...I hope she's well fed and feeling well.
Can we go and demand to see her? I hope she heard the music that was played for her. I hope she knows that people are thinking about her.
She is not scared. She is not well fed.
Demanding to see her would be interesting. Your taxdollars are paying for the jail. Maybe Ridley could film you doing it. :)
If you write to Lauren, she might be able to answer in a letter to Jim. We have gotten one also. But having pencils and paper and postage is an ifffy thing in the jail.
No way she heard the music. But maybe she heard about it. :)
November 5th will be memorable at the Valley Street Jail.
"Free Staters believe they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses."
I see our sound bites are getting out ;) I love this article already.
Highway Department Descrates Roadside Memorial (http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=646&Itemid=36)
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 25, 2007, 02:49 PM NHFT
Quote from: dan_sayers on October 25, 2007, 01:39 PM NHFT
In another thread, we have people espousing to distance themselves from others who might be the unintentional source of divide.
Choosing violence is not an unintentional source of divide. Everyone here knows, or should know, that movements based on violence and nonviolence cannot permanently coexist within the same small group of people.
I totally agree. Hopefully we can change people's minds and they can join us in a nonviolent struggle ... and then we can break into smaller groups because we are such a large movement. :)
Quote from: Ahmed on October 26, 2007, 03:59 AM NHFT
Since only operation of motor vehicles is licensed, perhaps people should start using horses.
I wonder how long it would take to get stopped and be demanded papers of. That would work well with the straw hat and overalls.
Probably not long when open carrying the pitchfork.
We could all become Amish, make a bunch of those buggys and clog the roads
Quote from: Porcupine_in_MA on October 25, 2007, 10:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 25, 2007, 10:01 PM NHFT
The blind worship of police, laws, and the state makes me sad, angry, and disgusted. The government really has done a bang up job of indoctrinating the American people.
Yep, otherwise we wouldn't be living in the police state that we are living in now.
exactly .... the means are the ends .... all we do and think shapes our world ... hopefully we can imbolden some people to actions that lessen the states power in the very short future.
Liberty in Lauren's Lifetime 8)
I wonder if the Embassy of Heaven guys have heard about Lauren? I couldn't find an email address on their website.
http://www.embassyofheaven.com/
Quote from: Ahmed on October 26, 2007, 03:59 AM NHFT
Since only operation of motor vehicles is licensed, perhaps people should start using horses.
Why not skip the vehicle altogether and just go on foot, the most basic of basic human transportation?
... the movie "Rambo" comes to mind. :(
Quote from: penguins4me on October 26, 2007, 11:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ahmed on October 26, 2007, 03:59 AM NHFT
Since only operation of motor vehicles is licensed, perhaps people should start using horses.
Why not skip the vehicle altogether and just go on foot, the most basic of basic human transportation?
That is what the common right of way is based on (foot travel) that is linked to freedom of speech, assembly, petitioning for redress of grievances.
Quote from: penguins4me on October 26, 2007, 11:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ahmed on October 26, 2007, 03:59 AM NHFT
Since only operation of motor vehicles is licensed, perhaps people should start using horses.
Why not skip the vehicle altogether and just go on foot, the most basic of basic human transportation?
Because we are human beings, and human beings use tools.
Quote from: mvpel on October 26, 2007, 12:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: penguins4me on October 26, 2007, 11:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ahmed on October 26, 2007, 03:59 AM NHFT
Since only operation of motor vehicles is licensed, perhaps people should start using horses.
Why not skip the vehicle altogether and just go on foot, the most basic of basic human transportation?
Because we are human beings, and human beings use tools.
And sometimes the use of human tools put other humans at undue risk of bodily and property harm.
Much of governances as legitimate authority is about the assigning of risk at an individual level and the sharing of risk at a group level.
So I reject the sharing of risk at a group level (limited liability) in exchange for encouraging capital formation.
But I also reject the assigning of risk at a personal level for the use of the roads which are collectively owned and which contain an individual equal right of way (a common right). I don't want them privatized because then I lose my common right. I prefer other ways to pay for them (tolls and collecting economic rent for the land value increase that proximity brings) and maintain them though (long-term contracts to private firms via open bids to maintain them like we lease Sunapee to a private ski area owner).
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 12:18 PM NHFTAnd sometimes the use of human tools put other humans at undue risk of bodily and property harm.
A government monopoly on training and licensing is not always the answer to the use of tools which can put other humans at undue risk of bodily and property harm.
No license is needed to buy matches, or gasoline, which together were the tools used in the biggest mass murder in history.
Quote from: mvpel on October 26, 2007, 01:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 12:18 PM NHFTAnd sometimes the use of human tools put other humans at undue risk of bodily and property harm.
A government monopoly on training and licensing is not always the answer to the use of tools which can put other humans at undue risk of bodily and property harm.
No license is needed to buy matches, or gasoline, which together were the tools used in the biggest mass murder in history.
Automobiles are inherently dangerous to others as in normal operation they pass within feet of other automobiles headed in the opposite direction. That is why on interstates where speeds are highest they physically separate the lanes of traffic going in opposite directions. To mitigate risks.
Quote from: mvpel on October 25, 2007, 11:14 AM NHFT
QuoteThe sign violated state law that prohibits posting signage on any state right-of-way. Such postings distract drivers and pose a safety risk, according to DOT spokesman Bill Boynton.
Selective enforcement is a hallmark of tyranny.
by taking the sign down and ending it up in the paper...they exposed it to tens of thousands who never would have seen it LOL
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 11:24 AM NHFT
Quote from: penguins4me on October 26, 2007, 11:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ahmed on October 26, 2007, 03:59 AM NHFT
Since only operation of motor vehicles is licensed, perhaps people should start using horses.
Why not skip the vehicle altogether and just go on foot, the most basic of basic human transportation?
That is what the common right of way is based on (foot travel) that is linked to freedom of speech, assembly, petitioning for redress of grievances.
I guess we should only be using the fountain pen, natural human voice, and feet (to travel to D.C.), then, carrying only muzzle-loading flint-lock muskets?
welcome back to the forum mike fisher!
Quote from: mvpel on October 26, 2007, 01:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 12:18 PM NHFTAnd sometimes the use of human tools put other humans at undue risk of bodily and property harm.
A government monopoly on training and licensing is not always the answer to the use of tools which can put other humans at undue risk of bodily and property harm.
No license is needed to buy matches, or gasoline, which together were the tools used in the biggest mass murder in history.
I like the firearm comparison (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11315.msg192673#msg192673) that JDouglasFisher came up with over in another thread. Unfortunately he didn't seem to realize this was undermining his own arguments in favor of insurance, inspection, licensing, and registration.
By the way, that you don't need special licenses and permits to buy gasoline, but you do for other incendiary/explosive devices, is an interesting story (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/1d.htm), too.
i gotta fevah
and the onlee preescription
is more v mask!
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 01:23 PM NHFTAutomobiles are inherently dangerous to others as in normal operation they pass within feet of other automobiles headed in the opposite direction. That is why on interstates where speeds are highest they physically separate the lanes of traffic going in opposite directions. To mitigate risks.
Gasoline is inherently dangerous to others as at normal room temperature a pooled source can be ignited through combustion of its vapors from a point of ignition as much as 12 feet away. It can be ignited by contact with hot engine metal. A gasoline fireball can reach as much as 15,000 degrees. A gallon has the explosive capacity of 20 sticks of dynamite. It can be fatal if swallowed.
And I can buy as much of it as I like, right up to the capacity of my tanks and the credit limit on my card, without even so much as speaking to anyone.
It's not about danger or safety, it's about TAXES and CONTROL.
QuoteIt's not about danger or safety, it's about TAXES and CONTROL.
I have never seen a gasoline tank blow-up in my almost 50 years of existence.
3 weeks ago my parked car got totaled by a guy who reached down to pick-up his sunglasses and ran into it.
This past Monday I rear-ended a woman who was going right on red then stopped suddenly while I was looking left to see if I could go and caused $3K dollars damage to my car ($300 to hers) and got a split lip when I hit the steering wheel.
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 02:52 PM NHFT
QuoteIt's not about danger or safety, it's about TAXES and CONTROL.
I have never seen a gasoline tank blow-up in my almost 50 years of existence.
Just 'cause you've never seen something doesn't mean that it never happens:
http://www.break.com/index/gas_tank_explosion.html
Quote from: penguins4me on October 26, 2007, 03:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 02:52 PM NHFT
QuoteIt's not about danger or safety, it's about TAXES and CONTROL.
I have never seen a gasoline tank blow-up in my almost 50 years of existence.
Just 'cause you've never seen something doesn't mean that it never happens:
The point is that it is not a regular occurance.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 23, 2007, 12:11 PM NHFT
When: Monday November 5th, starting around 5:30 pm
What: Candlelight vigil, V Mask demonstration outside Lauren's jail
Where: 445 Willow St., Manchester
Bring: candles, V-masks, capes, pitchforks, signs, warm clothes
More info about Lauren's imprisonment:
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11106.0
I am going to cross my fingers and hope Rick can get off of work early that day so we can go. :fingerscrossed: I think it makes more sense for us to come to this instead of trying to set up a different one because there will probably be more people Nov. 5th, right?
I've got candles and signs but not V-masks or pitchforks do I definitely need those things if I can come?
How long will this last?
I have a question. :)
If somebody sends Lauren a card and money order how would they know if she got it or not? Do guards steal things such as mail?
amen brother Pel-T-A .... preach it
even though there are many laws against it .... I can hop in a big vehicle and start driving on the wrong side of the road
.... remember that guy in San Diego who stole a tank and ran around for a while? ... there oughta b uh law
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 26, 2007, 05:19 PM NHFT
I have a question. :)
If somebody sends Lauren a card and money order how would they know if she got it or not? Do guards steal things such as mail?
I would send money to Jim ... if money is going to go into her account ... he could do it.
Screws steal stuff from the mail.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 26, 2007, 05:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 26, 2007, 05:19 PM NHFT
I have a question. :)
If somebody sends Lauren a card and money order how would they know if she got it or not? Do guards steal things such as mail?
I would send money to Jim ... if money is going to go into her account ... he could do it.
Screws steal stuff from the mail.
Darn it! I already sent it and after I did I started thinking, what if this doesn't get to her. I bought her a card and put a money order made out to her in it. Maybe they won't be able to steal the money order because I did write her name and inmate, ( ::)), number on it and I have the receipt. :-\
maybe cowbells or drums ... or anything that makes noise ... kazoos for the song
even if you get there late .... just head on down ... november 5th comes around only about once a year ... bring anything that will make the cops nervous :)
I'll bring some pitch forks. I've got two of Lloyd's, one from Roger and Lauren's.
Just be aware, that if the Manchester Police have been communicating with the ICE guys, they're going to know the difference between a spud fork and a pitch fork...Caleb. They will also know the difference between a dung fork, a hay fork and a salad fork. Although I am not sure that they are sophisticated enough to know the difference between the first course fork and the second course fork, they have had experience with the term 'fork you'. :pitchforked:
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 26, 2007, 05:40 PM NHFT
maybe cowbells or drums ... or anything that makes noise ... kazoos for the song
even if you get there late .... just head on down ... november 5th comes around only about once a year ... bring anything that will make the cops nervous :)
Gosh, that one is easy! I'll bring the kids to make the noise and my 19 year old son to make the cops nervous. :D When is it over?
I wish we could get the fire baton twirling chick to make the scene. >:D
Quote from: EthanAllen on October 26, 2007, 03:45 PM NHFTThe point is that it is not a regular occurance.
About 500 people per year are killed, and thousands more are injured, as a result of gasoline fires. Arson, a crime for which gasoline is a nearly indispensible tool, was the leading cause of fire fatalities in 2002, at 27% of 3,380 fatalities in 3,300 fatal fires.
The fact that it's not a much
more regular occurrence is testament to how clever the engineering of gasoline distribution and delivery systems has gotten over the years. But nothing is idiot-proof:
Static-sparked fire (http://videos.caught-on-video.com/video/E96337E8-97E6-4F44-8790-9847008E3CB8.htm)
Another gas station fire (http://www.youtube.com/swf/cps.swf?video_id=lqnSauID5Ig&eurl=http%3A//www.goodsearch.com/SearchVideo.aspx%3FKeywords%3Dgas%2520station%2520fire&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/lqnSauID5Ig/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskKsZhlfQA_BA3kjyiumL_SW&rel=1&border=0)
We see this kind of thing frequently enough:
(http://images.energieportal24.de/images/wasserstoff/gasoline-tanker-fire.jpg)
The only reason the one in San Francisco made national news and the various others didn't is because it shut down a huge multi-freeway interchange and disrupted the commutes of a lot of the people who produce national news.
That doesn't address the point of licensing, training, and registration of purchasers and users of cars and/or gasoline, however.
Can a moderator please split off all this gasoline talk to another thread?
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 25, 2007, 01:57 PM NHFT
Can anyone see what the Keene Sentinel had to say about Lauren today?
Got the paper from Mark today. Scan attached.
Thank you, Ian.
Quote from: GraniteForge on October 26, 2007, 09:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: mvpel on October 26, 2007, 01:17 PM NHFT
No license is needed to buy matches, or gasoline, which together were the tools used in the biggest mass murder in history.
OK, I'm stumped. What 'biggest mass murder' used matches and gasoline?
I assume he's referring to the Happy Land arson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happyland_Fire), which killed 87 people.
I'd quibble and say that the 168 killed in the OKC bombing, not to mention the 2,974 killed on 9/11, also count as "mass murder".
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 26, 2007, 09:11 PM NHFT
Can a moderator please split off all this gasoline talk to another thread?
Yes, please. Lauren's thread deserves to not be cluttered with side discussions.
Quote from: KBCraig on October 27, 2007, 12:41 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 26, 2007, 09:11 PM NHFT
Can a moderator please split off all this gasoline talk to another thread?
Yes, please. Lauren's thread deserves to not be cluttered with side discussions.
Maybe a link could be left in this thread to the side discussions, seeing as they started over the idea that because cars are "deadly, dangerous", they must be licensed and controlled by the government...
... which is the very thing which caused the authorities consternation - Lauren chose not to have government licenses to produce.
The Lauren Canario Video Tour: Court and Jail
Parts one and two posted here:
http://freekeene.com/2007/10/27/the-lauren-canario-video-tour-court-and-jail/
Digg here:
http://digg.com/videos/people/The_Lauren_Canario_Video_Tour_Court_and_Jail
Here is part 2:
[youtube=425,350]-3UzpZt-BC8[/youtube]
:) 8)
Did I hear right? Did officer whasis say this is a secure area? That's a military term. More blurring of the lines between civil and military.
Surprise surprise surprise.
The fact that they only sent one soldier to talk to Ian is some more proof that peaceful resistance is the way to go. They can handle guns and fighting because that's what they're trained to do. They're having trouble fitting the "round hole" peaceniks into their "square hole" system. Thank you Ian.
Another excellent video. I bet there were a handful of pigs laughing in the room where that camera led to.
"Look! He can't get out, but we keep telling him to leave!"
I also love you just walking away from that cop outside. He looked kind of perterbed that you just up and walked off. :laughing1:
BTW, does anyone who lives closer to Milford want to put up a new roadside memorial for Lauren?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 26, 2007, 08:19 AM NHFT
I wonder if the Embassy of Heaven guys have heard about Lauren? I couldn't find an email address on their website.
http://www.embassyofheaven.com/
There's a "send email" link near the bottom of the page, embedded in the AOL Instant Messenger graphic.
Thanks Viscid!
"... we don't make the laws, only enforce them ... "
I wonder if they would enforce any law handed to them.
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 26, 2007, 05:56 PM NHFT
Gosh, that one is easy! I'll bring the kids to make the noise and my 19 year old son to make the cops nervous. :D When is it over?
when we get tired or all of us end up in jail
since this is your first time ... I am guessing you will want to take it easy
any fork should do the trick
flames look great at night also
It seems to be implied in the statement that they don't question the laws
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 27, 2007, 08:46 AM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 26, 2007, 05:56 PM NHFT
Gosh, that one is easy! I'll bring the kids to make the noise and my 19 year old son to make the cops nervous. :D When is it over?
when we get tired or all of us end up in jail
since this is your first time ... I am guessing you will want to take it easy
any fork should do the trick
flames look great at night also
I don't worry about taking it easy, it's pure bullshit that Lauren is in jail. >:( I just don't want social services to get their creepy hands on my kids, that's what I worry about. I'll come up with some kooky idea as long as Rick can get us there. He's going to try his best!
What do the flames and pitchforks have to do with Lauren though?
great second part of the video, Ian ... being able to edit sound over some pictures and using Jim's footage really makes it work as good as possible.
That guy was just hoping that you would show him some ID. I guess you could have given him a press pass. :)
there is always a reason to back down from the evil government .... just letting you know ... I cannot guarantee that the thugs will not kidnap your children. They did it to Lauren.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 27, 2007, 09:15 AM NHFT
great second part of the video, Ian ... being able to edit sound over some pictures and using Jim's footage really makes it work as good as possible.
That guy was just hoping that you would show him some ID. I guess you could have given him a press pass. :)
I did have it hanging around my neck at the time. :icon_pirat:
I didn't know about the Kingdom of Heaven group until I saw it posted here. Their Going to Jail book is an interesting read.
Yes, that's what I found interesting about them :)
Sorry. Embassy of Heaven.
I was reading the Embassy of Heaven website when the thugs came and got me once ... then I started reading Kingdom of Heaven is Within You when I was on the inside.
I enjoyed all the essays people sent me in jail. Kat has been sending news and that sort of thing to Lauren. We have to counter what the ministry of love is doing to her.
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 27, 2007, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 27, 2007, 08:46 AM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 26, 2007, 05:56 PM NHFT
Gosh, that one is easy! I'll bring the kids to make the noise and my 19 year old son to make the cops nervous. :D When is it over?
when we get tired or all of us end up in jail
since this is your first time ... I am guessing you will want to take it easy
any fork should do the trick
flames look great at night also
I don't worry about taking it easy, it's pure bullshit that Lauren is in jail. >:( I just don't want social services to get their creepy hands on my kids, that's what I worry about. I'll come up with some kooky idea as long as Rick can get us there. He's going to try his best!
What do the flames and pitchforks have to do with Lauren though?
This same situation recently came up recently with another activist in Manchester. What you need is a legal document that transfers custody of your child to a trusted relative in the event you're arrested, otherwise the state gets temporary custody of them until you're freed. You should have a lawyer prepare the document, and it has to be notarized in order to be official.
The pitchforks and flames have to do with the 5th of November.
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 27, 2007, 09:08 AM NHFT
What do the flames and pitchforks have to do with Lauren though?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 25, 2007, 11:19 PM NHFT
Welcome back Mike. You have the Noble position of Lancelot in our struggle.
Well, thank you. I only hope you don't think I'll sleep with King Arthur's wife and destroy the kingdom.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 25, 2007, 11:19 PM NHFT
There should be no despair in Lauren's struggle. There should be only joy...that one of us has stepped forward to be the lighting rod for the lazy and contemptible citizenry of The United States of America. The abused and down trod may now have someone that they can abuse and humiliate. Someone they can transfer their anger upon, for every hour they have had to stand in a DMV line and every sneer they have had to endure from a DMV employee they can now unload on to Lauren.
Lauren hangs on the states cross...for saying no...and she will bear the sins of every citizen who could have said no but did not.
A very interesting and approriate metaphor.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on October 27, 2007, 12:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 27, 2007, 09:08 AM NHFT
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Quote from: raineyrocks on October 26, 2007, 05:56 PM NHFT
Gosh, that one is easy! I'll bring the kids to make the noise and my 19 year old son to make the cops nervous. :D When is it over?
when we get tired or all of us end up in jail
since this is your first time ... I am guessing you will want to take it easy
any fork should do the trick
flames look great at night also
I don't worry about taking it easy, it's pure bullshit that Lauren is in jail. >:( I just don't want social services to get their creepy hands on my kids, that's what I worry about. I'll come up with some kooky idea as long as Rick can get us there. He's going to try his best!
What do the flames and pitchforks have to do with Lauren though?
This same situation recently came up recently with another activist in Manchester. What you need is a legal document that transfers custody of your child to a trusted relative in the event you're arrested, otherwise the state gets temporary custody of them until you're freed. You should have a lawyer prepare the document, and it has to be notarized in order to be official.
Quote from: ivyleague28477 on October 27, 2007, 01:06 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 27, 2007, 09:17 AM NHFT
there is always a reason to back down from the evil government .... just letting you know ... I cannot guarantee that the thugs will not kidnap your children. They did it to Lauren.
OOH! OOH! I CAN, I CAN!!!! Okay, maybe not entirely guarantee - they can make up anything they want - but at least attempt to keep them from kidnapping your children in the event of an arrest.
Upon the advise of legal counsel I put a "Durable Power of Attorney" into effect. It is a legal document stating that in the event that you are incapacitated for any reason, the custody of your children automatically transfers to "X" person. Any lawyer can draw one up for you for exorbitant sums of money, or I might be able to ask my brother (aka my attorney) to put one together for a cheep rate. I don't know if he will be able to since he is not a NH attorney, but he was able to do mine for me and email it to me and then I just needed to have it witnessed and notarized. So basically I did half the work of the attorney's office would do for you... *shrugs* not such a big deal when you have lots of friends willing to witness and plenty of notarys around. ;D
That is a great idea, thanks J'raxis and Ivy! :) I have a 2001 family lawyer cd, after I find it ::) I can see if it has this "Durable Power of Attorney" in it. Then I can just take it to get notarized, right? The only family member I have up here that is older than 18 is my 19 year old son so I should put him in as the custodian, right?
Rick and I were talking about this issue today because we both feel strongly about what's going on with Lauren and definitely want to be part of anything that we can do to help without putting our kids in danger. I swear that I will never let social services take my kids even if I have to die to stop them. I couldn't imagine one night of not knowing where they were or if they were safe let alone dealing with the possibility of them never being returned to their home.
I get so angry when I hear about kids being taken away from their homes and then really being abused in the "system". I thought of being a foster care parent once thinking that I could help and definitely wouldn't abuse any foster kids I would have but then that also would make me part of the system, the system I despise.
A lot of people's kids are taken away for the stupidest reasons and then usually the kids that are being abused aren't helped or the ones that were being abused at home just get removed into another abusive situation. I'm not saying all foster care people are scums, I know a couple of them that are great but when it comes down to it they could be getting kids that shouldn't even have been taken out of their homes at all. :-\
Quote from: ivyleague28477 on October 27, 2007, 07:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 27, 2007, 07:03 PM NHFT
Then I can just take it to get notarized, right? The only family member I have up here that is older than 18 is my 19 year old son so I should put him in as the custodian, right?
I was advised it just needs to be notarized...
I would look into DCYF and see if 19 is even old enough to be a guardian. Mine elects someone not in this state, and then I have a network of people in place who are wiling and able to make sure my child gets to that person/place in the event it is needed. But I cant advise you what to choose, my dear! You know better than I do if DCYF would consider your 19yo able to handle his younger siblings. Look into what standards they might have for their guardians and it might give you a better idea of a person that might not throw up flags...
Okay, thanks! :) Maybe my 22 yr. old daughter out of state would be a better choice. I just thought it had to be someone in the state that they are living in now.
Wow that was a very balanced article in the sentinel
Quote from: Michael Fisher on October 27, 2007, 03:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 25, 2007, 11:19 PM NHFT
Welcome back Mike. You have the Noble position of Lancelot in our struggle.
Well, thank you. I only hope you don't think I'll sleep with King Arthur's wife and destroy the kingdom.
A very interesting and approriate metaphor.
No, the warrior that had left us, but returns in the times of our greatest need.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 27, 2007, 08:19 PM NHFT
Wow that was a very balanced article in the sentinel
Freeman, the author, is a liberty-oriented dude. Good guy.
Wow, don't come between the mother bear and her cub! Go rainey!
Free Lauren
Would someone care to edit Lauren's entree in Wikipedia
It should say something about being held indefinitely for contempt of court. (I'm not a wordsmith)
Maybe even include something from her letters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Canario
Someone suggested we have a way to play 1812 Overture loud outside the jail.
;D
I wonder if one of those FM transmitters and several portable stereos would work?
I do have it on CD if you still need it.
yes ... that would be good ... we could hear it on our car radios and boom boxes :)
Quote from: jose on October 23, 2007, 07:49 PM NHFT
i'm in
I need a v mask is there somwhere local where i can get on?
This is the best time of year to buy V masks. Any Halloween superstore will have them. :V_mask_50:
I agree with most everything in the E of H Going to Jail book except the serving gleefully while in jail part. I'll admit I have done whatever job came up in jail in the past because that's my nature. Things are much more severe now. I can't stomach the idea of serving GovBots whose sole purpose in life is to make innocents feel like they've done something wrong when they have not. Personally I don't have any sympathy for "just doing a job" when it involves holding ANYONE prisoner without just cause or recourse. Of course Lauren is foremost in my mind but there are MANY that are being held for unconstitutional charges. Am I all wet on this?
Just in case no one has a response I'm sure Smith Glaxo Cline has a pharmaceutical in the works just for me = recurrent anger over being stepped on, tasered while on the ground and found guilty of being a free American syndrome.
The Denunciation—A rebel is not only misunderstood, but is usually excoriated and condemned by those who see the rebel as a threat to themselves or their way of life, and worse, even by those whose values the rebel is most consistently upholding. I know individuals who have rebelled, who are living free, and have seen them condemned most vehemently by Objectivists. They are accused of everything from, "running away from government," (of which they no doubt would have accused those who first came to America), to "defying the rule of law," (of which they no doubt would have accused the patriot participants in the Boston Tea Party.)"
Reginald Firehammer
Quote from: coffeeseven on October 28, 2007, 10:52 PM NHFT
I agree with most everything in the E of H Going to Jail book except the serving gleefully while in jail part.
me too
I didn't want to make the jail worse ... (last time the other guys were throwing food in the max monkey house section of the jail) ... but I was not going to help them run their jail.
I sent this to the Judge, it should be on her desk this morning. Of course she will have to read it and then give a carp and then do some thing about it. :P
To: Martha A. Crocker, Judge October 24th, 2007
Milford Dist. Court
180 Elm Street
PO Box 943
Milford, NH 03055
Respectfully;
I am Lauren Canario's husband.
This is a writ of habeas corpus.
Lauren Ann Canario has been held in the custody of the State of New Hampshire without a trial for 21 days, as of the 24th of October, 2007. She was arrested after allegedly committing minor and non-violent offenses. Even if all charges against her are substantiated, they are not likely to justify 21 days of cruel imprisonment.
Therefore, under Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, Amendment V of The United States Bill of Rights, Amendment VI of The United States Bill of Rights and The Magna Carta of 1215. I demand, as a Citizen of the United States, the immediate release of the prisoner Lauren Canario or provide her with an immediate trial in which her crime is articulated, a victim be named and evidence of her culpability be presented before a group of her peers.
Sincerely,
James L Johnson
interesting
it is amazing how long they want to keep a person when they haven't even convicted her ... of small crimes against the state
I sent this one to Gov. Lynch. When I sent one to Gov. Rell one of her staff actually replied saying'...the Govonor was very concerned...that's not our department...good luck with that'. :thanks:
To: Governor John Lynch October 24th, 2007
Office of the Governor
State House
25 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
Respectfully;
I am Lauren Canario's husband.
This is a writ of habeas corpus.
Lauren Ann Canario has been held in the custody of the State of New Hampshire without a trial for 21 days, as of the 24th of October, 2007. She was arrested after allegedly committing minor and non-violent offenses. Even if all charges against her are substantiated, they are not likely to justify 21 days of cruel imprisonment.
Therefore, under Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, Amendment V of The United States Bill of Rights, Amendment VI of The United States Bill of Rights and The Magna Carta of 1215. I demand, as a Citizen of the United States, the immediate release of the prisoner Lauren Canario. The courts of New Hampshire can not provide her with an immediate trial in which her crime is articulated, a victim be named and evidence of her culpability be presented before a group of her peers. It is your duty, as head of the Executive branch of the government of New Hampshire, to up hold the Constitution of The United States as well as to respect the foundation upon which this Government was laid.
Sincerely,
James L Johnson
so ... veggie oil? on a rag ... on a stick or pitchfork?
Are people just going to arrive at the jail as they wander into the area, or should we perhaps meet somewhere else closeby (Murphy's naturally comes to mind) and all walk over together? It would be a lot more dramatic to have everyone arrive at the protest en masse, I think.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on October 29, 2007, 08:50 AM NHFT
Are people just going to arrive at the jail as they wander into the area, or should we perhaps meet somewhere else closeby (Murphy's naturally comes to mind) and all walk over together? It would be a lot more dramatic to have everyone arrive at the protest en masse, I think.
Me too, that's a great idea! Is Murphy's close to the jail?
I like that idea J'. Murphy's is within walking distance. Sounds like a good place to meet.
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 29, 2007, 08:55 AM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on October 29, 2007, 08:50 AM NHFT
Are people just going to arrive at the jail as they wander into the area, or should we perhaps meet somewhere else closeby (Murphy's naturally comes to mind) and all walk over together? It would be a lot more dramatic to have everyone arrive at the protest en masse, I think.
Me too, that's a great idea! Is Murphy's close to the jail?
It's very close (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=494+Elm+Street,+Manchester,+NH&daddr=445+Willow+Street,+Manchester,+NH&sll=42.982784,-71.462481&sspn=0.005,0.009184&ie=UTF8&ll=42.982879,-71.462116&spn=0.005,0.009184&z=17&om=1).
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 29, 2007, 08:59 AM NHFT
I like that idea J'. Murphy's is within walking distance. Sounds like a good place to meet.
What time should we meet at Murphy's? I really hope we can make this one, do we have to wear V masks? :)
I get off normaly at 5pm but I can get off earlier and make it up another day. I've got a V mask I would be proud to wear and join in.
Cool :D
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 29, 2007, 07:47 AM NHFT
To: Governor John Lynch October 24th, 2007
Office of the Governor
State House
25 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
Respectfully;
I am Lauren Canario's husband.
This is a writ of habeas corpus.
Lauren Ann Canario has been held in the custody of the State of New Hampshire without a trial for 21 days, as of the 24th of October, 2007. She was arrested after allegedly committing minor and non-violent offenses. Even if all charges against her are substantiated, they are not likely to justify 21 days of cruel imprisonment.
Therefore, under Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, Amendment V of The United States Bill of Rights, Amendment VI of The United States Bill of Rights and The Magna Carta of 1215. I demand, as a Citizen of the United States, the immediate release of the prisoner Lauren Canario. The courts of New Hampshire can not provide her with an immediate trial in which her crime is articulated, a victim be named and evidence of her culpability be presented before a group of her peers. It is your duty, as head of the Executive branch of the government of New Hampshire, to up hold the Constitution of The United States as well as to respect the foundation upon which this Government was laid.
Sincerely,
James L Johnson
Here is a recent case that may have some applications that can be explored for value.
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
BRENDLIN v .CALIFORNIA
CERTIORARI TO THE SUPREME COURT OF CALIFORNIA
No.06 –8120.Argued April 23,2007 —Decided June 18,2007
After officers stopped a car to check its registration without reason to
believe it was being operated unlawfully,one of them recognized peti-
tioner Brendlin,a passenger in the car.Upon verifying that Brendlin
was a parole violator,the officers formally arrested him and searched
him,the driver,and the car,finding,among other things,metham-
phetamine paraphernalia.Charged with possession and manufac-
ture of that substance,Brendlin moved to suppress the evidence ob-
tained in searching his person and the car,arguing that the officers
lacked probable cause or reasonable suspicion to make the traffic
stop,which was an unconstitutional seizure of his person.The trial
court denied the motion,but the California Court of Appeal reversed,
holding that Brendlin was seized by the traffic stop,which was
unlawful.Reversing,the State Supreme Court held that suppression
was unwarranted because a passenger is not seized as a constitu-
tional matter absent additional circumstances that would indicate to
a reasonable person that he was the subject of the officer 's investiga-
tion or show of authority.
Held: When police make a traffic stop,a passenger in the car,like the
driver,is seized for Fourth Amendment purposes and so may chal-
lenge the stop 's constitutionality.Pp.4 –13.
(a)A person is seized and thus entitled to challenge the govern-
ment 's action when officers,by physical force or a show of authority,
terminate or restrain the person ' s freedom of movement through
means intentionally applied.Florida v.Bostick ,501 U.S.429,434;
Brower v.County of Inyo ,489 U.S.593,597.There is no seizure
without that person 's actual submission.See,e.g.,California v.Ho-
dari D.,499 U.S.621,626,n.2.When police actions do not show an
unambiguous intent to restrain or when an individual ' s submission
takes the form of passive acquiescence,the test for telling when a
2 BRENDLIN v.CALIFORNIA
Syllabus
seizure occurs is whether,in light of all the surrounding circum-
stances,a reasonable person would have believed he was not free to
leave.E.g.,United States v.Mendenhall ,446 U.S.544,554 (princi-
pal opinion).But when a person "has no desire to leave " for reasons
unrelated to the police presence,the "coercive effect of the encounter "
can be measured better by asking whether "a reasonable person
would feel free to decline the officers ' requests or otherwise terminate
the encounter."Bostick ,supra ,at 435 –436.Pp.4 –6.
(b)Brendlin was seized because no reasonable person in his posi-
tion when the car was stopped would have believed himself free to
"terminate the encounter "between the police and himself.Bostick ,
supra ,at 436.Any reasonable passenger would have understood the
officers to be exercising control to the point that no one in the car was
free to depart without police permission.A traffic stop necessarily
curtails a passenger ' s travel just as much as it halts the driver,di-
verting both from the stream of traffic to the side of the road,and the
police activity that normally amounts to intrusion on "privacy and
personal security " does not normally (and did not here)distinguish
between passenger and driver.United States v.Martinez-Fuerte ,428
U.S.543,554.An officer who orders a particular car to pull over acts
with an implicit claim of right based on fault of some sort,and a sen-
sible person would not expect the officer to allow people to come and
go freely from the physical focal point of an investigation into faulty
behavior or wrongdoing.If the likely wrongdoing is not the driving,
the passenger will reasonably feel subject to suspicion owing to close
association;but even when the wrongdoing is only bad driving,the
passenger will expect to be subject to some scrutiny,and his attempt
to leave would be so obviously likely to prompt an objection from the
officer that no passenger would feel free to leave in the first place.It
is also reasonable for passengers to expect that an officer at the scene
of a crime,arrest,or investigation will not let people move around in
ways that could jeopardize his safety.See,e.g.,Maryland v.Wilson ,
519 U.S.408,414 –415.The Court 's conclusion comports with the
views of all nine Federal Courts of Appeals,and nearly every state
court,to have ruled on the question.Pp.6 –9.
(c)The State Supreme Court 's contrary conclusion reflects three
premises with which this Court respectfully disagrees.First,the
view that the police only intended to investigate the car 's driver and
did not direct a show of authority toward Brendlin impermissibly
shifts the issue from the intent of the police as objectively manifested
to the motive of the police for taking the intentional action to stop the
car.Applying the objective Mendenhall test resolves any ambiguity
by showing that a reasonable passenger would understand that he
was subject to the police display of authority. Second, the state
3 Cite as:551 U.S.____(2007)
Syllabus
court 's assumption that Brendlin,as the passenger,had no ability to
submit to the police show of authority because only the driver was in
control of the moving car is unavailing.Brendlin had no effective
way to signal submission while the car was moving,but once it came
to a stop he could,and apparently did,submit by staying inside.
Third, there is no basis for the state court ' s fear that adopting the
rule this Court applies would encompass even those motorists whose
movement has been impeded due to the traffic stop of another car.
An occupant of a car who knows he is stuck in traffic because another
car has been pulled over by police would not perceive the show of au-
thority as directed at him or his car.Pp.9 –13.
(d)The state courts are left to consider in the first instance
whether suppression turns on any other issue.P.13.
38 Cal.4th 1107,136 P.3d 845,vacated and remanded.
SOUTER,J.,delivered the opinion for a unanimous Court.
Radar guns have judicial notice as a source of probable cause, and have for years.
Quote from: mvpel on October 29, 2007, 10:30 PM NHFT
Radar guns have judicial notice as a source of probable cause, and have for years.
That varies by state. In Texas, a radar beam constitutes a search, and the officer must have probable cause (by visual estimate of speed)
before using a radar "search".
did they let Lauren go yet?
no way we can go all together .... we always end up getting there at different times
but if we had one wave of us walk over there along elm street ... that would be cool
I am sure we will not be stopped by the cops for "conversations" more than 3 times
Not that I've heard
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 29, 2007, 07:46 AM NHFT
it is amazing how long they want to keep a person when they haven't even convicted her ... of small crimes against the state
Looking for reason when dealing with illogical people, is an exercise in futility; likely have better luck finding Nessy or Sasquatch.
Lauren was kidnapped 4 weeks ago today. >:(
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 30, 2007, 07:37 AM NHFT
no way we can go all together .... we always end up getting there at different times
but if we had one wave of us walk over there along elm street ... that would be cool
I am sure we will not be stopped by the cops for "conversations" more than 3 times
Perhaps people could start arriving at Murphy's around 17:00, then whoever's there by 17:25 or so all walk over
en masse, down the wide-open stretch of Elm Street, then up Valley. Anyone who arrives after can just go over when they arrive.
Should someone have a sign that reads "Remember, remember, the 5th of November..." ?
Yes! That would be a great sign!
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071028/OPINION01/310280074/-1/opinion
Not sure if anyone saw this editorial or not yet.
Quote from: lildog on October 30, 2007, 10:23 AM NHFT
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071028/OPINION01/310280074/-1/opinion
Not sure if anyone saw this editorial or not yet.
QuoteProtesters converged on the jail shortly afterward, and "Free Lauren" signs were posted at the site of the arrest. Canario and her supporters are part of a fringe element within the Free State Movement that takes the group's libertarian philosophy to the extreme – arguing that they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for diver's licenses.
Guess I'm one of those "extremists" then. How sad that belief in freedom from government is considered radical.
Quote from: lildog on October 30, 2007, 10:23 AM NHFT
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071028/OPINION01/310280074/-1/opinion
Not sure if anyone saw this editorial or not yet.
I can't tell who wrote it. Am I missing it somewhere? It's probably obvious. :-\
Quote...by parading themselves in front of the media as Free Staters at every opportunity, they give New Hampshire residents a skewed image of the quiet majority
Hmm... are we too loud or are they too quiet? >:D
Quote from: dalebert on October 30, 2007, 10:41 AM NHFT
I can't tell who wrote it. Am I missing it somewhere? It's probably obvious. :-\
It's not listed anywhere on that page. I guess they do the same as the Boston Globe with these anonymous Op Ed pieces...
That means it's an official opinion of the newspaper, written by the editorial staff.
I just sent this LTE to the Telegraph:
Lauren Canario's act of civil disobedience (Protester's actions damage her cause, Oct. 28) draws attention to the issue, and sometimes that is enough to begin the process of change.
In 2005, Michael Fisher performed a manicure without a license in front of the offices of the Board of Barbering, Cosmetology and Esthetics in Concord to draw attention to what he believed were unconstitutional laws. This year, Gov. Lynch signed SB43, which reduces the requirements for obtaining a barber license.
Once, long ago, our government respected our right to travel peaceably. No license was required to ride a horse or drive a stagecoach. Yet 100 years ago, public hysteria over the dangers of horseless carriages led states to begin licensing them and their drivers.
Today our right to travel is under attack from all sides. Now, people must have a license in order to travel by airplane, or even to take the commuter bus to Boston. Lauren's protest draws attention to this critical issue.
Ooo very well put. Sucinct..to the point. Nice. 8)
Quote from: Porcupine_in_MA on October 30, 2007, 10:40 AM NHFTQuoteProtesters converged on the jail shortly afterward, and "Free Lauren" signs were posted at the site of the arrest. Canario and her supporters are part of a fringe element within the Free State Movement that takes the group's libertarian philosophy to the extreme – arguing that they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for diver's licenses.
Guess I'm one of those "extremists" then. How sad that belief in freedom from government is considered radical.
To a point they are correct on that point. Anarchists, those who believe in NO government, are in the minority. I myself am a Constitutionalist in that I believe the government should be limited to the rules originally set forth by our founding fathers. Those rules DO however allow states to create their own rules as long as they are not limiting freedoms the Constitution gives to all people. I think most free staters (at least the ones I've meet) believe in SOME level of government.
Quote from: lildog on October 30, 2007, 11:09 AM NHFT
Quote from: Porcupine_in_MA on October 30, 2007, 10:40 AM NHFTQuoteProtesters converged on the jail shortly afterward, and "Free Lauren" signs were posted at the site of the arrest. Canario and her supporters are part of a fringe element within the Free State Movement that takes the group's libertarian philosophy to the extreme – arguing that they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for diver's licenses.
Guess I'm one of those "extremists" then. How sad that belief in freedom from government is considered radical.
To a point they are correct on that point. Anarchists, those who believe in NO government, are in the minority. I myself am a Constitutionalist in that I believe the government should be limited to the rules originally set forth by our founding fathers. Those rules DO however allow states to create their own rules as long as they are not limiting freedoms the Constitution gives to all people. I think most free staters (at least the ones I've meet) believe in SOME level of government.
Mr. Ron Paul believes the same thing you do. I can't wait to see what his first move is. The unconstitutional portion of our government is in the majority. It won't be like peeling a banana. It'll be more like bringing a BIG building down brick by brick. When he starts pulling out bricks, look out for falling rubble!!
Quote from: lildog on October 30, 2007, 11:09 AM NHFT
To a point they are correct on that point. Anarchists, those who believe in NO government, are in the minority. I myself am a Constitutionalist in that I believe the government should be limited to the rules originally set forth by our founding fathers. Those rules DO however allow states to create their own rules as long as they are not limiting freedoms the Constitution gives to all people. I think most free staters (at least the ones I've meet) believe in SOME level of government.
Oh I know we're in the minority. That wasn't my point.
My little semi-tongue-in-cheek description for myself would be a "minanarchocapitalist" I believe working towards returning to a Constitutional Republic and then see about eliminating government entirely from there. I'm actually not that big on the Constitution as a document, as documents go. I prefer the Articles of Confederation.
Quote from: error on October 30, 2007, 11:05 AM NHFT
I just sent this LTE to the Telegraph:
...
Excellent message, Michael!
A forceful government is synonymous with crime to me. It's hard to imagine a world where no one tries to institute it on some level any more than I can imagine a world with no criminals. That doesn't mean I think crime is necessary or that I will ever stop opposing it when it happens. I can't imagine how someone can use the word "evil" in the same sentence as "necessary" and have the right mindset to even shrink it to any serious degree. I think you have to get your head in the right place before you can start executing effective tactics for minimizing evil in our world. *shrug*
Quote from: Porcupine_in_MA on October 30, 2007, 10:40 AM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on October 30, 2007, 10:23 AM NHFT
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071028/OPINION01/310280074/-1/opinion
Not sure if anyone saw this editorial or not yet.
QuoteProtesters converged on the jail shortly afterward, and "Free Lauren" signs were posted at the site of the arrest. Canario and her supporters are part of a fringe element within the Free State Movement that takes the group's libertarian philosophy to the extreme – arguing that they should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for diver's licenses.
Guess I'm one of those "extremists" then. How sad that belief in freedom from government is considered radical.
even the moderates among us have been 'extreme' for quite some time. :'(
should we do things based on how big the group is ... or the logic and decency of the idea?
for most of us ... being called fringe or extreme is normal
Lauren is not basing her decisions on group think. I agree with her .... oh no ... we are building a new consensus. ;)
Jason obviously thinks we go around involking the name of the Free State Project all the time, when really, we almost never mention it. ::)
what a lame article ...
did lauren?
"After identifying herself as a member of the Free State Project, Canario refused to give her name or to provide a driver's license and vehicle registration."
or did she contend this?
"CONCLUSION: It turns out her contention that Free Staters should not have to pay taxes, register their cars or apply for driver's licenses is not even supported by the leaders of her group."
These seem to be stuff the paper added to the story.
"Unfortunately, it's not the kind of attention the Free State movement would prefer."
some of us would prefer it .... the free state project is a bunch of individuals ... noone speaks or represents all of us.
... and then Jason wrote them to distance himself from Lauren ... and somehow speak for the FSP.
"Unfortunately, there is a small but radical fringe of Free Staters who want to abolish all laws and law enforcement, and they often choose to disobey laws with which they disagree," he wrote. "Because of their non-violent philosophy, they would never intentionally do harm to others, but by parading themselves in front of the media as Free Staters at every opportunity, they give New Hampshire residents a skewed image of the quiet majority."
It is not unfortunate in my book. Jason doesn't speak for this participant in the Free State Project. None of us has even mentioned the fsp in regards to lauren's situation as far as I know.
"This wasn't the first time Canario has staged an arrest."
she was driving down the road ... that Jim had a camera ... was just a reaction to all the thugs out there hurting people
Quote
"After identifying herself as a member of the Free State Project, Canario refused to give her name or to provide a driver's license and vehicle registration."
Yeah, I rather doubt that she identified herself as FSP at that time. I suppose it's technically correct if at ANY TIME IN THE PAST before the incident, she had mentioned that she was FSP.
::)
Russ and Dalebert, good points.
For starters I cannot see this in any way as a "stagged" arrest. A stagged arrest was when Russ went to the IRS building with pitchfork and fliers or Dave went handing out fliers to a government building. Both events were planned out in advanced. This one was not.
Dale, you make me want to go back and review the video. Did she at any time say "I'm a free stater"? I don't recall her doing so. I guess if ANYONE who is known to be a member of the free state group is arrested they suddenly become a face for the group. Shame.
She said nothing. I don't see a name attached to this news story.
I wonder if all new signups with the FSP will have to sign a waiver that they agree to rock the boat, just not too hard. >:D
Quote"After identifying herself as a member of the Free State Project, Canario refused to give her name or to provide a driver's license and vehicle registration."
This is another opportunity... they almost always print LTE's that correct errors.
Any wordsmiths up to the task?
can you imagine?
armed thug:"I need to see your license and registration."
liberty activist: "I am part of the Free State Project ... I don't have to have those things ... or pay taxes."
I bet that one would work.
Is Lauren ruining for anyone yet?
Come on Russell I've lost count of the times I've heard you shout "I regret that I have but one life to give for the Free State Project!" right before you engage the agents.
the thugs say .... we are going to have to arrest you
we try
free state project member?
"nope"
shire drivers license?
"you're still going in"
high karma on the underground forum?
"those are manipulated ... sorry we are going to have to drag you"
no mercy?
"just doing my job"
called in an update to FTL tonight recounting the latest on this thread...hopefully I didn't miss anything important.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on October 30, 2007, 09:18 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 30, 2007, 07:37 AM NHFT
no way we can go all together .... we always end up getting there at different times
but if we had one wave of us walk over there along elm street ... that would be cool
I am sure we will not be stopped by the cops for "conversations" more than 3 times
Perhaps people could start arriving at Murphy's around 17:00, then whoever's there by 17:25 or so all walk over en masse, down the wide-open stretch of Elm Street, then up Valley. Anyone who arrives after can just go over when they arrive.
What time is 17:00?
There's a debate going on at FTL between Lauren supporters and people who are really mad at her for not kissing the boot of government.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=17413.0
Jim, do you know if Lauren reads Reason magazine regularly? If not, then I was thinking of trying to order some back issues. I would just mail some of mine but as I understand it, they won't allow that. I don't want to order a bunch of magazines that she's already read though.
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 30, 2007, 11:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on October 30, 2007, 09:18 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 30, 2007, 07:37 AM NHFT
no way we can go all together .... we always end up getting there at different times
but if we had one wave of us walk over there along elm street ... that would be cool
I am sure we will not be stopped by the cops for "conversations" more than 3 times
Perhaps people could start arriving at Murphy's around 17:00, then whoever's there by 17:25 or so all walk over en masse, down the wide-open stretch of Elm Street, then up Valley. Anyone who arrives after can just go over when they arrive.
What time is 17:00?
There are 24 hours in a day.
Hours and minutes are represented by, 00:00, respectively.
1am is 01:00.
20 minutes after 1 am is 01:20.
12 noon is 12:00, pronounced twelve hundred hours. Because it looks like the number twelve hundred, 1200.
13:00 is 1pm.
The system is used to avoid confusion about am and pm.
17:00, seventeen hundred hours, is 5 hours beyond the 12th hour, so 5:00pm.
This should clear up the confusion until Russell starts in about Shire Time. ;D
Lauren does not receive any regular magazines at home.
Anything you want to send her will probably make it's way around to other prisoners. So things like Reason Magazine are excellent.
Okay, thanks guys! :)
Or, just 5pm :P
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 30, 2007, 11:49 PM NHFT
This should clear up the confusion until Russell starts in about Shire Time. ;D
shire time doesn't change .... government time changes twice a year ... and which days change also
I will be doing stuff at 5pm nhfty time ... it starts getting dark around then
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 30, 2007, 09:39 PM NHFTarmed thug:"I need to see your license and registration."
liberty activist: "I am part of the Free State Project ... I don't have to have those things ... or pay taxes."
I bet that one would work.
Back off man! I'm a free stater and I don't subscribe to your rules!!!
Yeah I think I recall that part of the arrest video now... Wasn't that just before Russ popped out of the bushes saying "Lauren is not a free woman"? ;D
By the way, a friend of mine is joking that he is going to make up shirts that say "Dave is not a free man". Russ, you've coined a new pop culture phrase!
I've decided to show Jason what it really looks like when we invoke the Free State Project name at every step. I'm going to identify myself as "Kat Kanning, former Director of the Free State Project" in all my articles for the Keene Free Press, and introduce myself that way to all members of the media I talk to. If we're going to take the blame for doing this, we might as well actually do it and try and recruit people like us, rather than people like the FSP board wants to recruit.
well russell i like the idea of shire time cause i'm sick of my electonics changing at the wrong goddam time i'm all for one full 24 hour period 365 days a year. There are also other reasons but thats the one that bugs me the most . Besides getting up in the dark and getting done work at dark. makes a long dark day.
I wonder if there are any laws about carrying burning torches in an urban area? Somehow, I suspect they'll come up with one. Torch bearers may wind up getting a ride, as opposed to a walk, to the jail. :glasses7:
Note to self: put reminder in Outlook calendar: leave work early to engage in acts of angry mobdom. :icon_war: Bring V Mask to office. Bite back joke about making fertilizer bomb not look like Aqua Teen Hunger Force character cuz then the coppers will know what it is. (Homeland Security has made such humor hazardous to one's health.)
they don't need rules ... they just make them up as they go along
uh oh ... Kat is going hardcore on Jason
Quote from: error on October 30, 2007, 11:05 AM NHFT
I just sent this LTE to the Telegraph:
Lauren Canario's act of civil disobedience (Protester's actions damage her cause, Oct. 28) draws attention to the issue, and sometimes that is enough to begin the process of change.
In 2005, Michael Fisher performed a manicure without a license in front of the offices of the Board of Barbering, Cosmetology and Esthetics in Concord to draw attention to what he believed were unconstitutional laws. This year, Gov. Lynch signed SB43, which reduces the requirements for obtaining a barber license.
Once, long ago, our government respected our right to travel peaceably. No license was required to ride a horse or drive a stagecoach. Yet 100 years ago, public hysteria over the dangers of horseless carriages led states to begin licensing them and their drivers.
Today our right to travel is under attack from all sides. Now, people must have a license in order to travel by airplane, or even to take the commuter bus to Boston. Lauren's protest draws attention to this critical issue.
Nice letter. :) Should I put it up on freelaurencanario.com?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 31, 2007, 07:56 AM NHFT
I've decided to show Jason what it really looks like when we invoke the Free State Project name at every step. I'm going to identify myself as "Kat Kanning, former Director of the Free State Project" in all my articles for the Keene Free Press, and introduce myself that way to all members of the media I talk to. If we're going to take the blame for doing this, we might as well actually do it and try and recruit people like us, rather than people like the FSP board wants to recruit.
8)
OK... so Lauren said "I don't have any." and the bile and hatred comes raining down.
Some selected quotes that the Law and Order crowd have left as comments on the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc
...you two were a couple of idiots. Eric Cartman is right, hippies suck.
jimbanks77
You are two of the biggest antagonistic ASSHOLES I have ever witnessed in my life....
GET A GRIP!
GOD, you make me SICK!
SoundmanNH
...she was told by Judge Crocker to appear in court and the piece of shit refused to do so.
SocietysChimera
...acting the way they did would make anyone want to b*tch-slap them bloody. What a pack of a-holes!
babalugatz
...a blantant exhibition of retardation.
Please leave the state of NH and go somewhere where someone might be duped by your moronic beliefs and selfishness.
davealcox
Oh and what was with the pan zee at the end complaining about the police. You sir are a dick.
These assholes were just trying to frame some cops. Well guess what Lauren an ass and that guy is a douche.
BadAssSpartan72
I'd of grabbed her and pulled her through the F^&*^^ window. What idiots........WTF?
illybay1951
You people are out of your god damn minds!!!! I wish the cops tazered you dumbasses!
JRowe81
Please let me know when your vehicle goes up on auction. I would like to bid cheap on it. Enjoy your stay Lauren!
mojowire
viva the dumb asses in this world as seen in this video lauren you and your friend are the true example of what it is to possess no brain enjoy your stay at the manchester grey bar hotel and ask your friend to put up 10,000 bucks to bail you out and see how much of a friend he is stupe
ephraimgarcia
This man and woman are without a doubt two of the stupidest people to waste oxygen. I hope they don't have kids.
ducatiwayne
I hope she stays in jail. Who does she think she is?
laiscrazy
...why don't you experiment with a road flare vest in a National Guard Armory and see how much freedom they give you there. Idiots. You are the reason that real political change is so impossible. Too many fringe crackpots elbowing the real politicos out of the field.
NuckleDragon
this bitch is wacko
...The crazy bitch needs to follow the rules, simple as that. She could always leave NH or USA if she doe not like the rules, no one asked her to be here. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES, YOU HAVE TO PAY TAXES, YOU HAVE TO OBEY LAWS.
...I am NOT a nazi, just a regular guy with COMMON SENSE, something you NUT JOBS lack.
BraveCop
flat out we live in america.the richest country
yeah the government sucks but who the hell cares.
ctbforevs
What a bunch of attention whores these hippies are! Cops in most countries would have pummeled them and taken their tape and possibly executed them! America is GREAT no matter what these douchbags think! Like I said of the Browns, PAY YOUR FRIGGIN TAXES AND OBEY THE RULES LIKE THE REST OF US! DUH!snodwhipple
that chick and the dude that put this one here should be pepper sprayed, teased or even shot just for being dumb butts
halsose
These retards should be hung from the neck until dead for wasting NH's public resources and tax dollars.
...So stop being mental midgets and learn to compromise. Also for the love of God do not reproduce.
ethiopian32
These are the same type of people who bomb federal buildings or shoot federal agents who try to arrest them for stockpiling weapons.
mcinty12
I wish I could say I was surprised by the level of ignorance of some people. ::)
...why don't you experiment with a road flare vest in a National Guard Armory and see how much freedom they give you there. Idiots. You are the reason that real political change is so impossible. Too many fringe crackpots elbowing the real politicos out of the field.
NuckleDragon
Is NucklesDragon (on the ground) a Free Stater? I've only ever heard a Free Stater use the term 'politico'.
He sounds like a dyed in the wool Bushy Republican, like Jane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
That Stockholm Syndrome is some powerful stuff. Not only do these people defend their oppressors, they do so violently.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 31, 2007, 12:43 PM NHFT
...why don't you experiment with a road flare vest in a National Guard Armory and see how much freedom they give you there. Idiots. You are the reason that real political change is so impossible. Too many fringe crackpots elbowing the real politicos out of the field.
NuckleDragon
Is NucklesDragon (on the ground) a Free Stater? I've only ever heard a Free Stater use the term 'politico'.
He sounds like a dyed in the wool Bushy Republican, like Jane.
Nah. Google shows 49.6 million results for the term.
I've used the term
polit to refer to politicians before. That's actually a term from
Nineteen Eighty-Four for political prisoners, but it has a nicely derisive sound to it that adapts well to speaking of politicians I don't like.
Such violent fantasies these people have! They're just showing their true colors. I think they are actually helping Lauren's cause.
I've used the word politicos on occasion. No I am not that ass.
Quote from: EJinCT on October 31, 2007, 12:07 PM NHFT
I wish I could say I was surprised by the level of ignorance of some people. ::)
That is not ignorance, that is hatred. I am very surprised. It makes me want to go to alaska and live the rest of my life in an igloo, just to get away from people like that. The violence of mankind never ceases to amaze me.
Our pal spreading joy and cheer and on youtube just the way he does here:
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 11:34 AM NHFT
...acting the way they did would make anyone want to b*tch-slap them bloody. What a pack of a-holes!
babalugatz
Quote from: KBCraig on October 31, 2007, 02:44 PM NHFT
Our pal spreading joy and cheer and on youtube just the way he does here:
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 11:34 AM NHFT
...acting the way they did would make anyone want to b*tch-slap them bloody. What a pack of a-holes!
babalugatz
Yeah...he likes to smite anyone who disagrees with him every time he logs in. I only smote him a couple of times when he was being a complete ass and then ignored him.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/youtube.png)
Remember:
(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-34640480252896_1969_627009)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 31, 2007, 09:22 AM NHFT
Quote from: error on October 30, 2007, 11:05 AM NHFT
I just sent this LTE to the Telegraph:
Lauren Canario's act of civil disobedience (Protester's actions damage her cause, Oct. 28) draws attention to the issue, and sometimes that is enough to begin the process of change.
In 2005, Michael Fisher performed a manicure without a license in front of the offices of the Board of Barbering, Cosmetology and Esthetics in Concord to draw attention to what he believed were unconstitutional laws. This year, Gov. Lynch signed SB43, which reduces the requirements for obtaining a barber license.
Once, long ago, our government respected our right to travel peaceably. No license was required to ride a horse or drive a stagecoach. Yet 100 years ago, public hysteria over the dangers of horseless carriages led states to begin licensing them and their drivers.
Today our right to travel is under attack from all sides. Now, people must have a license in order to travel by airplane, or even to take the commuter bus to Boston. Lauren's protest draws attention to this critical issue.
Nice letter. :) Should I put it up on freelaurencanario.com?
By all means!
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 28, 2007, 06:38 AM NHFT
Wow, don't come between the mother bear and her cub! Go rainey!
;D
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
NO just your wonderful selfs will be fine.
Any body who says else wise gets sat on. >:D
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
Don't listen to Pat K he doesn't know what he is talking about.
There are very strict rules requiring all participants to dress exactly a like. Once I showed up wearing the wrong color socks and Russell yelled at me for 10 minutes. :o
;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
Don't listen to Pat K he doesn't know what he is talking about.
There are very strict rules requiring all participants to dress exactly a like. Once I showed up wearing the wrong color socks and Russell yelled at me for 10 minutes. :o
;D
Yeah well those bright pink socks were distracting.
Quote from: Pat K on October 31, 2007, 06:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
NO just your wonderful selfs will be fine.
Any body who says else wise gets sat on. >:D
:biglaugh: I feel like I am being protected by the mafia! Thank you Pat! ;D
Quote from: Pat K on October 31, 2007, 06:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
Don't listen to Pat K he doesn't know what he is talking about.
There are very strict rules requiring all participants to dress exactly a like. Once I showed up wearing the wrong color socks and Russell yelled at me for 10 minutes. :o
;D
Yeah well those bright pink socks were distracting.
Yeah, very distracting! So there! ;D
Quote from: Pat K on October 31, 2007, 06:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
Don't listen to Pat K he doesn't know what he is talking about.
There are very strict rules requiring all participants to dress exactly a like. Once I showed up wearing the wrong color socks and Russell yelled at me for 10 minutes. :o
;D
Yeah well those bright pink socks were distracting.
That's OK fancy pants...
Jim and I were talkin' today and we had a whole Pat K in drag thing we were laughin' about! ;D
Besides want was wrong with my pink socks? They matched my purse. :D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:54 PM NHFT
Besides want was wrong with my pink socks? They matched my purse. :D
Geesh, no wonder everyone wants to wear V masks, they don't want to admit they really know each other! 8)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:53 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on October 31, 2007, 06:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:33 PM NHFT
Do Rick and I need V masks if we can make it? We will definitely bring signs! :)
Don't listen to Pat K he doesn't know what he is talking about.
There are very strict rules requiring all participants to dress exactly a like. Once I showed up wearing the wrong color socks and Russell yelled at me for 10 minutes. :o
;D
Yeah well those bright pink socks were distracting.
That's OK fancy pants...
Jim and I were talking' today and we had a whole Pat K in drag thing we were laughin' about! ;D
Again with your post Marine Corps cross dressing fantasies!
Leave me out of them, you perv. Also stop corrupting Jim,
he already has a Beer spillage problem, I have to work
with him on.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:54 PM NHFT
Besides want was wrong with my pink socks? They matched my purse. :D
Next time ask the lovely Elizabeth for advice,
because nothing would match that horrid purse
you had. BITCH!
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
You 2 are hysterically funny!
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 07:03 PM NHFT
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
You 2 are hysterically funny!
Thank you, Thank you, you might catch our act in person soon.
Quote from: Pat K on October 31, 2007, 07:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 07:03 PM NHFT
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
You 2 are hysterically funny!
Thank you, Thank you, you might catch our act in person soon.
I can't wait! ::) ;D
Quote from: raineyrocks on October 31, 2007, 06:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:54 PM NHFT
Besides want was wrong with my pink socks? They matched my purse. :D
Geesh, no wonder everyone wants to wear V masks, they don't want to admit they really know each other! 8)
Yeah, Rogers just like the big brother,
I wish I never had. ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 31, 2007, 06:45 PM NHFTOnce I showed up wearing the wrong color socks and Russell yelled at me for 10 minutes. :o
It steams me a little just thinking about it
;D
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 31, 2007, 12:50 PM NHFT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
That Stockholm Syndrome is some powerful stuff. Not only do these people defend their oppressors, they do so violently.
she is really getting to the heart of the matter .... people are having to choose sides
Quote from: David on October 31, 2007, 01:33 PM NHFT
I've used the word politicos on occasion. No I am not that ass. Quote from: EJinCT on October 31, 2007, 12:07 PM NHFT
I wish I could say I was surprised by the level of ignorance of some people. ::)
That is not ignorance, that is hatred. I am very surprised. It makes me want to go to alaska and live the rest of my life in an igloo, just to get away from people like that. The violence of mankind never ceases to amaze me.
they are in Alaska too ... and they would make fun of you for living in an igloo unlike "normal" people
Uh-oh, Russell's getting worked up about it again. Salty language is sure to follow!
Lauren should just go to the back of the bus like they told her to. She needs to learn her place in this society of force and privilege.
I heard Russell say damn once, but then it turned out he was talking about some thing in the river.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 31, 2007, 08:39 PM NHFT
I heard Russell say damn once, but then it turned out he was talking about some thing in the river.
Was it Ted Kennedy ?
Quote from: dalebert on October 30, 2007, 11:41 PM NHFT
There's a debate going on at FTL between Lauren supporters and people who are really mad at her for not kissing the boot of government. Assholes.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=17413.0
Fixed the above line to reflect the facts. And told them so as well.
well put Seth. ;D
Please consider digging my Lauren cartoon. I'm working on putting a digg button right under the cartoons in the future.
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Lauren_Canario_is_in_jail_but_her_mind_is_free_cartoon/share
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 30, 2007, 02:11 PM NHFT
Jason obviously thinks we go around involking the name of the Free State Project all the time, when really, we almost never mention it. ::)
I just figured out who the culprit is! It's Dave Ridley! hehe. Look at his videos. He never fails to tie things in with the FSP. Jason's gonna come after you Dave! ;D
dugg your story
I often identify people who are free staters as....ready for this? Free Staters.
OK, all my cartoons have digg buttons now. They are still set at zero which means there is no entry. When you click it to digg the cartoon, you'll get to put in the descriptions and what-not that creates the entry on Digg.com.
I don't think I should be creating digg entries on my own stuph, though I already did that for the first cartoon. :blush: So anyway, could someone perhaps digg the 2nd Lauren cartoon to get the ball rolling? Just click my signature and scroll down.
Quote from: error on October 30, 2007, 11:05 AM NHFT
I just sent this LTE to the Telegraph:
Lauren Canario's act of civil disobedience (Protester's actions damage her cause, Oct. 28) draws attention to the issue, and sometimes that is enough to begin the process of change.
In 2005, Michael Fisher performed a manicure without a license in front of the offices of the Board of Barbering, Cosmetology and Esthetics in Concord to draw attention to what he believed were unconstitutional laws. This year, Gov. Lynch signed SB43, which reduces the requirements for obtaining a barber license.
Once, long ago, our government respected our right to travel peaceably. No license was required to ride a horse or drive a stagecoach. Yet 100 years ago, public hysteria over the dangers of horseless carriages led states to begin licensing them and their drivers.
Today our right to travel is under attack from all sides. Now, people must have a license in order to travel by airplane, or even to take the commuter bus to Boston. Lauren's protest draws attention to this critical issue.
Interesting. I had never heard of this, but looking over SB43, it cuts the hours required to become a normal barber almost in half while establishing a cosmetologist-equivalent "master barber" license for those with extra services.
I'd say that was a victory. It lowered the barriers to entry into the barbering profession, just as Dave et al. hoped to do with the Outlaw Manicurist bill.
Or it was a bizarre coincidence, but I doubt it.
FREE LAUREN!!!
Dale the undug larun cartoon,
when i try to dig it, says invalid subject?
Quote from: Pat K on November 01, 2007, 04:18 PM NHFT
Dale the undug larun cartoon,
when i try to dig it, says invalid subject?
Not sure why it's doing that. Just select a topic from the list at that stage- probably "political opinion".
EDIT: I found the problem in my code. Fixed.
last night i stopped at Wendy's for a burger and the only 2 patrons were Hillsborough county sherriffs, so when one of them caught eye contact with me i asked them if they were taking good care of Lauren , 1 of e'm said are you a friend of Lauren's i laughed and said yes and she is one of the finest people i know then asked if they were tired of carrying her? one responded by mumbling the other just gave me a look like i was scum.I wonder if they've been talking to the fire chief who called me a pathological lier when i got my fire permit the other day and never had a fire, i guess i am a lier, but only when it counts,
If i could go back to Wendy's and do it over i would have offered the guards at Wendy's $$$$$ to deliver Lauren her favorite food which is probably not Wendy's but they have good salads.the only way i will miss v-day at valley st. is if I'm inside it.
8)
Well Joe if you are inside,the ride will save ya gas money. ;D
The Wendys thing made me wish I was rich and could send some
kind of delivery to the jail every day for Lauren.
Candy gram for Canario,I need her signiture please
Pizza for Canario
Flowers for Canario
Set of Diamond files for Canario.........
;D
Are there any legal minds assisting Lauren? A restraining order could be applied for for the taking of her car. Amongst other things.
Why is her bond so high?
No one's really giving legal assistance. There's a court appointed attorney who hasn't done anything for her, as far as I know. I saw nothing in the court paperwork for the gov_lawyer.
Not sure what you mean about the car.
Bond is so high because she's obviously so dangerous. ::) All that driving and minding her own business...someone could have been killed!
It's chocolate she needs delivered :) :candy:
I love those ideas ... they are greatly effected by the knowledge that many people care for Lauren.
Maybe we need to order pizza and have it delivered to Lauren ... and if they refuse it have them bring it to us outside. :)
Sometimes people get things delivered by fedex or similar ... Caleb could try to get in cookies.
Quote from: silent steve on November 01, 2007, 08:10 PM NHFT
Are there any legal minds assisting Lauren? A restraining order could be applied for for the taking of her car. Amongst other things.
Why is her bond so high?
because she strikes the root .... very dangerous for the tree of tyranny
What will they allow her to receive in terms of things like food?
Maybe we could dump a truck
load of donuts outside, and
when they all rush out to
get them, we spring Lauren.
Quote from: silent steve on November 01, 2007, 08:10 PM NHFT
Are there any legal minds assisting Lauren?
The Legal System has a morals problem, it's deeds do not follow it's creed.
The Legal System can not see it's own moral problem. Lauren is going to show them.
One has the right to remain silent. If one is accused of crime, the accuser must prove that harm has been done and that the accused is culpable. The accused need say nothing at all.
Show that Lauren has harmed some person by her actions.
The only legal mind needed is a judge that has one.
Quote from: dalebert on November 01, 2007, 09:43 PM NHFT
What will they allow her to receive in terms of things like food?
nothing
Quote from: Pat K on November 01, 2007, 09:47 PM NHFT
Maybe we could dump a truck
load of donuts outside, and
when they all rush out to
get them, we spring Lauren.
YES! :rofl: :V_mask_50:
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 01, 2007, 09:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: silent steve on November 01, 2007, 08:10 PM NHFT
Are there any legal minds assisting Lauren?
The Legal System has a morals problem, it's deeds do not follow it's creed.
The Legal System can not see it's own moral problem. Lauren is going to show them.
One has the right to remain silent. If one is accused of crime, the accuser must prove that harm has been done and that the accused is culpable. The accused need say nothing at all.
Show that Lauren has harmed some person by her actions.
The only legal mind needed is a judge that has one.
Thank you, Jim.
Thank you, Lauren.
nothing like that.
Quote from: dalebert on November 01, 2007, 09:43 PM NHFT
What will they allow her to receive in terms of things like food?
we shall see
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 23, 2007, 07:03 PM NHFT
Wish I could go. :'(
Maybe you could invest some AMP dollars in an uplink helmet like Al Franken had in the 70's . .
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/254/460257123_9b0e8ad92b_m.jpg)
Quote from: dEadERest on November 02, 2007, 08:58 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 23, 2007, 07:03 PM NHFT
Wish I could go. :'(
Maybe you could invest some AMP dollars in an uplink helmet like Al Franken had in the 70's . .
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/254/460257123_9b0e8ad92b_m.jpg)
:rofl: I had forgotten about that..even though Franken is a dyed-in-the-wool socialist he is wicked funny.
We will be passing out papers next week featuring Lauren. Does anyone want to help pass them out to their local grocery store?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 02, 2007, 09:14 AM NHFT
We will be passing out papers next week featuring Lauren. Does anyone want to help pass them out to their local grocery store?
I will! If you want to email them to me and I'll print them out. :)
Well, if you want to print them, you can get the file here:
http://keenefreepress.com/kfp100107.pdf
but if you'd rather, you can have newspapers on Monday at the 5th of November thing :)
Thanks, Rainey!
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 02, 2007, 09:26 AM NHFT
Well, if you want to print them, you can get the file here:
http://keenefreepress.com/kfp100107.pdf
but if you'd rather, you can have newspapers on Monday at the 5th of November thing :)
Thanks, Rainey!
Thanks Kat! I'll print them out today because I'm pretty sure I have to go to the store so I'll start passing them out today. Hopefully I will be at the protest November 5th to get some newspapers too. Rick is suppose to be giving me the answer today if he can get off work early. :)
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 01, 2007, 09:56 PM NHFT
One has the right to remain silent. If one is accused of crime, the accuser must prove that harm has been done and that the accused is culpable. The accused need say nothing at all.
Oh, I think you're living in another world. Today's American government legal system has absolutely nothing to do with the word "harm." I don't think you'll find that in any current legal decisions or documents. You live in a strange place...a place where people might roam free, doing no harm to anyone, and not being punished for not doing harm... can I come live there with you?
You can live as free as you dare.
Some folks, to avoid the little sticks and drawn by the little carrots, give up trying to live free.
Some can't bow anymore.
PatK, if you get arrested at the vigil, will you make them carry you? ;D
Why, thank you. :)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 02, 2007, 01:59 PM NHFT
PatK, if you get arrested at the vigil, will you make them carry you? ;D
Well I am not as brave as Lauren, so I hope
I am not arrested.
But if I have no choice and they arrest me,
I hope I can follow in Russell and Lauren's and
Dada's, shoes of peaceful non- cooperation.
I think though that they will probably Taze or beat me
before they would carry me, They don't like to carry
Lauren and I literally weigh 4 times as much.
We are going to have some fun. >:D
The ones that don't make it will have to hear about it second hand. :icon_pirat:
Lauren will know we're there for her.
I just hope I'll be able to get out early to make it up.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 01, 2007, 09:07 PM NHFT
No one's really giving legal assistance. There's a court appointed attorney who hasn't done anything for her, as far as I know. I saw nothing in the court paperwork for the gov_lawyer.
Not sure what you mean about the car.
Bond is so high because she's obviously so dangerous. ::) All that driving and minding her own business...someone could have been killed!
I have won right to remain silent cases in traffic court.
If she has a $10,000 bond, what is the charge(s)?
Lauren can sue (right now) for a temporary restraining order and move to get her car back. From jail, with a little help from her friends.
Also, we can sue the spouses of anyone involved in the taking of her car.
One question though: Was her car legally parked?
Am thinking since it sounds like her public defender has not moved for a bond reduction hearing he/she is worthless. Maybe Ineffective Assistance of Counsel and hence a dismissal right there.
Will post a Temporary Order that is being done for a patriot that is set for hearing November 19, 2007 in Muscatine, Iowa.
The vehicle has already been retrieved.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 01, 2007, 09:07 PM NHFT
No one's really giving legal assistance. There's a court appointed attorney who hasn't done anything for her, as far as I know. I saw nothing in the court paperwork for the gov_lawyer.
Not sure what you mean about the car.
Bond is so high because she's obviously so dangerous. ::) All that driving and minding her own business...someone could have been killed!
Here is a Temporary Restraining Order to get a car back. Along with a simple complaint.One could be filed for Lauren. Amongst other things.
IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR
MUSCATINE COUNTY
John Edward Wiese
Plaintiff, In Esse Aplication for Temporary Restraining
Order and Complaint for money
v. damages under USC 42 1983
City of Muscatine,
Cheif policy employee of Muscatine,
Unknown policy employee(s),
Unknown tow truck driver,
Hyink's Service
and Royce Hyink
and all spouses
Defendants
Notice of Request for Temporary Restraining Order
To: City Attorney Craig Oppel (as representative of Muscatine police and City of Muscatine), Hyinks Service 1206 East Second Street Muscatine, Iowa 563 263 9709 and all parties and counsel: Be advised: At the venue indicated in the caption above or at such other time as the court may designate, I, John Wiese
will ask the court to order the return of his car - or a substitute car pending a hearing on the matter. A
TRO is generally parasitic to a complaint. I include that predicate complaint herein.
__________________ Date
John Wiese
On approximatly September 19, 2007 my Pontiac Bonneville was taken by an unknown policy
employee of the Muscatine police department. This was discovered when the Muscatine police department
was called and was inquired if the police department had impounded my vehicle. The person answering the
phone confirmed that my car indeed had been taken by the police. The person calling was informed that
Hyinks Service of Muscatine, Iowa was in posession of my vehicle. I have seen my car in a farmers field
along with other vehicles taken by the police.
My car was taken by the Muscatine police when it was legally parked in one of the "3 hours free"
parking spaces located in Muscatine, Iowa with the help of Hyink's Service.
Municipal policy employeesd may not summarily impound legally parked vehicles, see
Miranda v. City of Cornelius. (9. th. Cir. 2005) 429 F.3d 858.
Even if a policy employee could summarily impound a vehicle as provided by the legislature it
would still require a hearing, see Bell v. Burson (1971) 402 US 535, 29 L.Ed 2d 90, 91 S. Ct. 1586.
Page 1
I am not an attorney and my pleadings are entitled to more leeway Haines v. Kerner 404 U.S. 519 (1972).
Predicate Complaint for Money Civil Complaint for Money Damages, Punitive
Damages, Declaratory and Injunctive Relief under 42 USC 1983 et seq.
Summary of the Case
My car was taken by the Muscatine police when it was legally parked in one of the "3 houre free"
parking spaces located in downtown Muscatine, Iowa with the help of Hyinks Service.
Facts
1. An Unknown Muscatine Policy Employee(s) along with Unnamed employee's of Hyinks Service
and the Muscatine Corporation conspired to deprive me of my car and my legal papers.
2. They did this on 19 September 2007 around 9am.
3. My car was parked in Downtown Muscatine in one of the "3 free hours" of parking slots near a stop sign.
4. You cannot lawfully take my property without a hearing and cause.
5. It is Draconian to take my legally parked transportation for being "improperly registered".
6.. My car now sits in a farmers field along with 20 other taken vehicles we suspect without court orders
7. Municipal policy employee(s) of the City of Muscatine had no court order to take my car.
8. I spoke to Hyinks Service at 1206 East Second Street Muscatine, Iowa 563 323 9709 and was told
that my car was going to be released to the City of Muscatine so they could sell it in November.
Relief Requested
1. An Order from the court wherein the complaint is deficient and how to correct it.
2. Leave to amend the complaint when discovery is completed pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 15(a) as
is my right to use foreign law pursuant Article 4 section 2 of the US Constitution.
3. That I not be held to the same standards as a n attorney as I am allowed some leeway as a
In Se litigant pursuant to Hainse v. Kerner.
4. $200/day compensatory damages for every day I am deprived of my vehicle by Hyinks Service
station and the Muscatine police.
5. $20,000 puntitive damages for the taking of my car.
Respectfully submitted,
____________________________Date ____________
John Wiese
Page 2
Proof of Service
A file stamped copy of the foregoing instrument was
hand-delivered to office of the City Attorney
Craig Oppel on_________________________
Signature______________________________
Quote from: silent steve on November 02, 2007, 06:35 PM NHFT
I have won right to remain silent cases in traffic court.
It's nice of you to offer help but I can go ahead and tell you that Lauren's not going to pay any bond, not even 50 cents, and she's not going to sue anyone. You'd be asking her to work through the process but it's the process that she takes issue with. She's just going to take whatever it is they dish out and she's not going to do anything they command her to do. That's my take on it anyway. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
you're wrong ... but probably not about Lauren ;)
If you do not sue, how do you discourage the police?
the cop was already not liking the situation ... that night ... the cops and their children are really mad ... I don't think they are immune to Lauren's resistance :)
Quote from: silent steve on November 02, 2007, 07:13 PM NHFT
If you do not sue, how do you discourage the police?
Hehe... talk to Bald Eagle. He has some excellent ideas, and they're all perfectly legal. >:D
Quote<Also, we can sue the spouses of anyone involved in the taking of her car.>
Why would anyone want to sue the spouse of a gov't thief? The spouses of the cops involved have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Quote from: David on November 02, 2007, 11:10 PM NHFT
Quote<Also, we can sue the spouses of anyone involved in the taking of her car.>
Why would anyone want to sue the spouse of a gov't thief? The spouses of the cops involved have absolutely nothing to do with this.
That's pure lawyer taking.
silent steve...we have the car...we are not interested in suing people...even if they are married to a jackass.
I do believe there is a pattern here. She won't cooperate so they keep her until it doesn't matter whether she participates in the arraignment or not. When whatever they have charged her with is punishable by her time served, she will be offerred some sort of "deal" (hoping to get some admission out of her). When she ignores it as before, they can still take her before a judge and without a peep out of her, convict her, sentence her to time served and send her home.
Cathleen
Of course, they could do that at anytime. That they don't let her go shows their vindictivenss.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 24, 2007, 09:19 PM NHFT
ok just uploaded today's video report about lauren, which is kind of experimental and different from the others
http://youtube.com/RidleyReport
Wow, great video, Dada!
Quote from: cathleeninnh on November 03, 2007, 03:30 PM NHFT
I do believe there is a pattern here. She won't cooperate so they keep her until it doesn't matter whether she participates in the arraignment or not. When whatever they have charged her with is punishable by her time served, she will be offerred some sort of "deal" (hoping to get some admission out of her). When she ignores it as before, they can still take her before a judge and without a peep out of her, convict her, sentence her to time served and send her home.
Cathleen
Okay, now I am understanding better.
She has remained silent at arraignment too.
So, if the police are the ones that arrested AND charged her, and she remained silent at arraignment, there is no record of her appearing.
Police reports are heresay.
Please provide me with a case number and the name of the court, I want to review the record and get transcripts.
There was another case that was supposed to be like Laurens case, Gail Sanocki, was going up against the IRS and won by not speaking.
Most curious. If she rermained silent at arraignment, how was she saddled with a public defender?
Did she speak to the jailers?
Of course, they could do that at anytime. That they don't let her go shows their vindictivenss.
Lauren has not been arraigned.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 03, 2007, 09:07 PM NHFT
Lauren has not been arraigned.
How did she get saddled with a public defender?
The judge did it for her.
arraignment AND advisement of rights IS NOT VOLUNTARY >> it is mandatory!!!
the prosecutor and the Judge don't seem to understand that you have to ARRAIGN and ADVISE a defendant of their rights... That is how to have due process and "jurisdiction" to hold someone...
You do not ask a defendant if they "volunteer" to go to Court and be arraigned.
karenijohnson
1208am nov 4
Is anyone else having problems sending books to Lauren, or is it my title selection? I don;t know why they wouldn't want her reading a book about tax collectors, what they fear, how they operate and thus how to deal with them.
Greetings from Amazon.com.
We wanted to let you know that we received your return for the
above-referenced order.
The following is the breakdown of your expected refund:
Item Returned:
1 "Confessions of a Tax Collector: One Man's Tour of Duty Inside
the IRS (P.S.)"
Reason: No reason given
Item Refund $11.86
Item Shipping Refund $11.98
Prepaid Return Label Deduction $-3.99
Total: $19.85
Since you used a pre-paid mailing label to return item(s) for reasons
which were not the result of our error, the cost of return shipping has
been deducted from your refund.
We'll send you an e-mail confirmation once the refund has been
completed.
So, if I am up to speed, Lauren was arrested for driving under suspension and some other traffic violations, did not speak when they brought her before the judge.
The judge then saddled her with a public defender.
And she has now been in jail for 31 days.
Is that correct?
longer
Quote from: karenijohnson on November 03, 2007, 11:09 PM NHFT
arraignment AND advisement of rights IS NOT VOLUNTARY >> it is mandatory!!!
I have had many situations where they don't "advise" me of my "rights". They don't follow the rules you think they live by.
Thanks for making the call!!
I know Lauren does not want to use the system,but, she is comong up on a Motion to Dismiss for Failure to Arraign. I am experienced at this and from what I am told she HAS NOT been arraigned.
She was saddled with a public defender to make it "look" like an arraignment.
Was this in traffic court or a court of record?
Quote from: silent steve on November 02, 2007, 06:35 PM NHFT
Lauren can sue (right now) for a temporary restraining order and move to get her car back. From jail, with a little help from her friends.
Also, we can sue the spouses of anyone involved in the taking of her car.
"Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
THAT JUST MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!
I've personally seen murdereers treated better and with more respect.
JUST LET LAUREN GO and she won't hurt anyone anymore.
Anyone wanting a ride to this event from Concord, feel free to PM me. My departure time is very flexible.
Quote from: SamIam on November 04, 2007, 01:50 AM NHFT
Is anyone else having problems sending books to Lauren, or is it my title selection? I don;t know why they wouldn't want her reading a book about tax collectors, what they fear, how they operate and thus how to deal with them.
Greetings from Amazon.com.
We wanted to let you know that we received your return for the
above-referenced order.
The following is the breakdown of your expected refund:
Item Returned:
1 "Confessions of a Tax Collector: One Man's Tour of Duty Inside
the IRS (P.S.)"
Reason: No reason given
Item Refund $11.86
Item Shipping Refund $11.98
Prepaid Return Label Deduction $-3.99
Total: $19.85
Since you used a pre-paid mailing label to return item(s) for reasons
which were not the result of our error, the cost of return shipping has
been deducted from your refund.
We'll send you an e-mail confirmation once the refund has been
completed.
I believe the jail has caused you a loss in the sum of $3.99 plus any emotional damage that may have been suffered. There may well be constitutional violations, depending on the reason the book was rejected. Maybe you should write the State's Attorney General, that's always fun and entertaining, and demand that they give you the reason that they violated you.
The Jail Superintendent might enjoy a copy of the letter.
murderers do not threaten The State ... Lauren does
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on October 30, 2007, 09:18 AM NHFT
Perhaps people could start arriving at Murphy's around 17:00, then whoever's there by 17:25 or so all walk over en masse, down the wide-open stretch of Elm Street, then up Valley. Anyone who arrives after can just go over when they arrive.
Is this
the a plan? And is 17:00 EST or Shire time? I loaned Gandalf my pocketwatch the last time he came over for a smoke and some fireworks, so if it's Shire time, please translate for those of us on the far side of the Brandywine.
i can give a ride from keene at around 3:30 pm cannot give ride back
msg me if this is useful to you
5:00 government time, not shire time.
No one's been able to communicate with Lauren since she sent that one set of letters a couple weeks ago. :(
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 05, 2007, 05:00 AM NHFT
No one's been able to communicate with Lauren since she sent that one set of letters a couple weeks ago. :(
Please tell about that.
already posted here and/or the paper website
Um, tell about not being able to talk to her? No one's been able to visit. She can't call out. No one can call in. As far as we know, she gets all the letters she sends, but has been unable to send letters except that one batch she sent. I suspect they gave her a pencil and then took it away again as punishment.
Or did you mean tell about the letters we got the one time?
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=108&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=3023)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=108&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=3022&scalesize=o)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=108&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=3021&scalesize=o)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=108&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=3020&scalesize=o)
http://freelaurencanario.com/node/19 Lauren's letter to Jim
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 05, 2007, 06:55 AM NHFT
http://freelaurencanario.com/node/19 Lauren's letter to Jim
Thanks for the post. Am reading letter.
Anyone got pics? Any interesting stories?
Roger took some picks,I think Dada and some other folks did too.
We had over 20 folks attend.
There was V masks and chanting of free Lauren. Candles were held.
We can hope that Lauren knows we were there.
FREE LAUREN CANARIO!!
How long did it last?
2 HOURS, at the jail plus pre and post Murphy time.
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?name=IMG_8280-group.jpg)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?name=IMG_8253-on-the-corner.jpg)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?name=IMG_8259-Vs-in-a-row.jpg)
Very nice Roger, for this I will forgive you, for keeping
me from getting beer before it was to late.
( evidently NH has some stupid no beer after 1145 rule)
I am now drinking bud, and thinking about how much I
belive in ZAP! Who ever came up with this rule needs a
whipping with a wet noodle.
It was very nice to meet Rainey and Rick and the kids. ;D
Quote from: Pat K on November 05, 2007, 11:41 PM NHFT
Very nice Roger, for this I will forgive you, for keeping
me from getting beer before it was to late.
( evidently NH has some stupid no beer after 1145 rule)
I am now drinking bud, and thinking about how much I
belive in ZAP! Who ever came up with this rule needs a
whipping with a wet noodle.
Damn Pat I could have given ya real brew to take home with you.
Great job everyone! 8)
Dave Ridley has a short video up of the vigil: http://youtube.com/watch?v=aZbgR7L0nYA
Thanks for the link, Bill :)
Cool photos, Roger!
I counted 26 people and one dog at the protest last night.
Photos from last night
http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=108
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3100&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3101&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3102&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3103&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3104&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3093&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
(New roadside memorial for Lauren)
This is the court appointed lawyer they saddled Lauren with:
Anthony Sculimbrene
188 Main St. Nashua
598-4986
Here's the video from Biker Bill from last night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZiZBj273rc
[youtube=425,350]-ZiZBj273rc[/youtube]
Sorry I could not make it. I really wish I had been number 27.
Quote from: Friday on November 04, 2007, 09:50 PM NHFT
Is this the a plan? And is 17:00 EST or Shire time? I loaned Gandalf my pocketwatch the last time he came over for a smoke and some fireworks, so if it's Shire time, please translate for those of us on the far side of the Brandywine.
until the government goes crazy again in the spring .... Shire time is basically the same as EST. Since us Shire folk are relaxed .... we don't really notice the difference
:)
very fun last night
we hung out and ate at Murphy's ahead of time ... then when to the jail for an hour or so ... then back to the Tap Room for more eating and drinking
http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/A123657.htm
----
The problem is that drawing an inference that a defendant waived a significant constitutional right from that defendant's silence alone generally is regarded as impermissible. Boykin v. Alabama, 395 US 238, 243, 89 S Ct 1709, 23 L Ed 2d 274 (1969) ( "We cannot presume a waiver of [the privilege against compulsory self-incrimination, the right to trial by jury, and the right to confront one's accusers] from a silent record."); see also Carnley v. Cochran, 369 US 506, 516, 82 S Ct 884, 8 L Ed 2d 70 (1962) ("Presuming waiver from a silent record is impermissible. The record must show, or there must be an allegation and evidence which show, that an accused was offered counsel but intelligently and understandingly rejected the offer. Anything less is not waiver."); State v. Meyrick, 313 Or 125, 131-32, 831 P2d 666 (1992) ("Courts, however, are reluctant to find that fundamental constitutional rights have been waived. Accordingly, a valid waiver will not be presumed from a silent record."); State v. Grenvik, 291 Or 99, 102, 628 P2d 1195 (1981), overruled on other grounds by State v. Probst, 339 Or 612, 124 P3d 1237 (2005) (waiver of counsel may not be presumed from a silent record); State v. Boswell, 92 Or App 652, 656, 760 P2d 276 (1988) (same); State ex rel Dept. of Human Services v. Sumpter, 201 Or App 79, 89, 116 P3d 942 (2005) (waiver of right to trial cannot be inferred from silence).
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 06, 2007, 08:26 AM NHFT
very fun last night
we hung out and ate at Murphy's ahead of time ... then when to the jail for an hour or so ... then back to the Tap Room for more eating and drinking
Were you gotten drunk and taken advantage of by all those wicked Porcupines? :o ;)
Yeah, I got him all stoked up on Coca cola and then, well, the rest is history :P
I swear I heard talk of makin' a baby in the parking lot. ;D
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=654&Itemid=36
new article
tell me if anything is wrong or if you would like to add a quote from last night
Quote from: Pat K on November 05, 2007, 11:42 PM NHFT
It was very nice to meet Rainey and Rick and the kids. ;D
It was awesome meeting you and everybody else too! ;D
Merged the two lauren threads, now that the event is over. Updated http://freelaurencanario.com/.
It was cool last night chanting FREE LAUREN and getting the inmates banging on the windows and looking out. Shining the bright spot light on the windows to let them know we were there. I hope she got word that we were outside. The trustees that were emptying the garbage saw and heard us.
I thought it was funny that the guard area had the blinds drawn tight, but couldn't resist peeking out. ;D
It's highly likely that the ONLY thing Lauren has to do all day is to read our letters. So please write her, send her printouts of news articles or anything else she might to read.
Lauren Canario #42103
Hillsborough Co. Corrections
445 Willow Street
Manchester, NH 03103
Sending a post card made from the V's in a row image.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 06, 2007, 07:46 AM NHFT
This is the court appointed lawyer they saddled Lauren with:
Anthony Sculimbrene
188 Main St. Nashua
598-4986
What is the name of the court tht this is all going on in?
I want to get copies of any paperwork alog with copies of transcripts, assuming they can be had.
Milford District Court
Copies are $.50 per sheet is what we were told on the phone this morning. I don't think there are any transcripts, since she hasn't actually been in court as far as we know.
Ya know?? this is really BIG news...Lauren's punishment does not fit her "crime".
Why isn't the bigger media folks covering this story??? (and I am NOT talking about that Yale ponygirl with a pen).
Maybe we could get her story out by emailing Kat's articles to the big MSM folks.
Kola
Trial for Lauren 11/7 at 1:00 Milford District Court.
If she doesn't willingly show up, they are going to try her in absentia.
on the bright side, I have to imagine she must be close to the point of them giving her "time served"...though of course she won't pay any fines...
Jim's party should be at the court >:D
It's a good thing the Archbishop changed my birthday to Nov. 8th.
There is way to much karmic injustice in having Lauren's trial on my birthday.
Dale's courtroom comic is on the front page of the Milford Cabinet.
http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071101/MILFORD01/71031017/-1/milford
QuoteJim Johnson told The Cabinet that officer George Durham and his backup are "the most professional group of officers I've ever run up against."
Did you really say that?
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 06, 2007, 04:47 PM NHFT
It's a good thing the Archbishop changed my birthday to Nov. 8th.
There is way to much karmic injustice in having Lauren's trial on my birthday.
Maybe you'll get an early present and they'll just let her out. Five weeks seems like more than enough for a "time served!" judgment to be likely. I bet they chose the court date exactly at that point.. now they can just wrap it up with no further proceedings.
That's the consensus among the 5 freestaters in the room here, Barterer :)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 06, 2007, 04:56 PM NHFT
QuoteJim Johnson told The Cabinet that officer George Durham and his backup are "the most professional group of officers I've ever run up against."
Did you really say that?
Yes...they were cold, impressionable and to the point. No variance from state doctrine. Only one, 'Why me?" If they had been doctors at Auswitch they would have been tearing testacies out of Jews at a rate of two every 30 seconds.
Yeah, they were very professional. They had their hands on their guns, they could have shot us and gone home to a nice breakfast with their kids.
Why? Was it wrong to say that they are good at what they are paid to do? :blush:
No, it wasn't wrong. I was just surprised.
Someone suggested that they had no opportunity to NOT arrest her because they would be on film doing so.
i would bet they cut her loose, after last night not much they do will surprise me
SET LAUREN FREE
I had yet another dream that Lauren had been let out. ...sigh. They're nice dreams while they last.
We can head to the court .... and have the b-day party the next day. :)
So ... will she be free?
I pray that they will release her.
Her victims' wounds have healed by now. ::)
Anyone going from Keene? I have no car.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 06, 2007, 05:42 PM NHFT
No, it wasn't wrong. I was just surprised.
Someone suggested that they had no opportunity to NOT arrest her because they would be on film doing so.
Not to justify what the Bastard did, had he done the right thing and let her go and the tape was released, he would have lost his job.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 06, 2007, 10:51 PM NHFT
Anyone going from Keene? I have no car.
I can pick you up about 10:30am.
Having spent the last day at the polls and seeing how far behind I am, on second thought I don't know if I can really afford to not work for two days in a row. I will call you to make sure that you get this message and don't waste your time swinging by.
Good luck Lauren!
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 07, 2007, 08:26 AM NHFT
Having spent the last day at the polls and seeing how far behind I am, on second thought I don't know if I can really afford to not work for two days in a row. I will call you to make sure that you get this message and don't waste your time swinging by.
Good luck Lauren!
Ok, Thanks.
I'm going early to pass out FIJA pamphlets. I don't want to do it alone. Please join me. On my way now at 11:12 in Concord.
Rich
Where the heck is this place? I plugged it into Google maps and it pulled up a place in MA.
180 Elm Street
Milford, NH
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/images/milford1.jpg (http://www.courts.state.nh.us/images/milford1.jpg)
Dale called Porc 411 and reported that
Lauren Canario is free!
Details to follow.
Quote from: error on November 07, 2007, 03:35 PM NHFT
Dale called Porc 411 and reported that
Lauren Canario is free!
Details to follow.
Ok it's been an hour... where are the details????
Well, she's apparently not in the jail. How many more details do you need? :P
:occasion14: :bdance2: :party-smiley-020:
Welcome home Lauren!!
Quote from: Ogre on November 07, 2007, 03:59 PM NHFTWell, she's apparently not in the jail. How many more details do you need? :P
Oh, little stuff like WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED, etc.
Very cool.
Joe
I would bet there will be more details after Jim and Lauren throw a party, go home, spend some quality time together, and then get around to reading the forum.
Awesome!!! :D
Can't wait for the news stories (http://news.google.com/news?q=lauren+canario) to learn more details.
Someone (who's not banned like I am) should update her Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Canario)...
Oh man this is great to hear!! :party-smiley-020: :clap: 8) 8) 8)
Last night at Taproom Tuesday we had 5 or 6 Porcs write cards to Lauren, which were mailed today. Who knows, if the judge sets her free, perhaps she won't even receive them. That would be just fine.
Tomorrow I will mail a letter to Lauren with the following quote from HD Thoreau:
From Henry David Thoreau's Civil Disobedience (1849):
I was put into a jail once... and, as I stood considering the walls of solid stone, two or three feet thick, the door of wood and iron, a foot thick, and the iron grating which strained the light, I could not help being struck with the foolishness of that institution which treated me as if I were mere flesh and blood and bones, to be locked up. I wondered that it should have concluded at length that this was the best use it could put me to.... I saw that, if there was a wall of stone between me and my townsmen, there was a still more difficult one to climb or break through, before they could get to be as free as I was. I did not for a moment feel confined, and the walls seemed a great waste of stone and mortar.... They plainly did not know how to treat me, but behaved like persons who are underbred. In every threat and in every compliment there was a blunder; for they thought that my chief desire was to stand the other side of that stone wall. I could not but smile to see how industriously they locked the door on my meditations, which followed them out again without let or hindrance, and they were really all that was dangerous. As they could not reach me, they had resolved to punish my body; just as boys, if they cannot come at some person against whom they have a spite, will abuse his dog. I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all my remaining respect for it, and pitied it.
Thus the State never intentionally confronts a man's sense, intellectual or moral, but only his body, his senses. It is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced.
I am so happy that they let Lauren out of the Ministry of Love. I hope this is the last time a wonderful woman like Lauren is forced in to a box but the reality is this will probably happen over and over.
Lauren is probably going to be busy for the next few hours getting some food and spending time with her loved ones who I am sure missed her. I do hope to hear some details about her experience and what would be great would be a video from the court room but I guess that the judge probably would not want to have his face associated with the immoral detention of Lauren.
From Henry David Thoreau's Civil Disobedience (1849):
I was put into a jail once... and, as I stood considering the walls of solid stone, two or three feet thick, the door of wood and iron, a foot thick, and the iron grating which strained the light, I could not help being struck with the foolishness of that institution which treated me as if I were mere flesh and blood and bones, to be locked up. I wondered that it should have concluded at length that this was the best use it could put me to.... I saw that, if there was a wall of stone between me and my townsmen, there was a still more difficult one to climb or break through, before they could get to be as free as I was. I did not for a moment feel confined, and the walls seemed a great waste of stone and mortar.... They plainly did not know how to treat me, but behaved like persons who are underbred. In every threat and in every compliment there was a blunder; for they thought that my chief desire was to stand the other side of that stone wall. I could not but smile to see how industriously they locked the door on my meditations, which followed them out again without let or hindrance, and they were really all that was dangerous. As they could not reach me, they had resolved to punish my body; just as boys, if they cannot come at some person against whom they have a spite, will abuse his dog. I saw that the State was half-witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all my remaining respect for it, and pitied it.
Thus the State never intentionally confronts a man's sense, intellectual or moral, but only his body, his senses. It is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced.
I'd bet details forthcoming on Free Talk Live tonight.
I am getting drunk and celebrating, Yay!
hiccup,
Kola
The trial lasted about an hour to an hour and a half. Many of us did not rise when the judge came in but we did rise when Lauren walked in. I think she was a bit startled at first at the sudden motion but then she smiled at us. Russell cheered a little bit and the judge shushed him and said she knew we were there in support of Lauren but if we disrupted the courtroom we'd have to leave. The defense made a good case, I think. He tried hard. I thought he was rock solid fighting the resisting arrest charges, of which there were several somehow. :-\ One or two small charges were dismissed but most were not. I don't remember the exact details of what stuck or not. Maybe someone can update later.
When the judge called for a short recess and we did not rise when ordered as she got up, we got some heated glares from the MANY officers standing around. Someone grumbled that we should be arrested the next time we didn't rise. The judge came back and started handing out judgements for crimes and the whole thing just happened to add up to the time served. The prosecution pushed for some more stuph. It was like they were upset like she wasn't punished harshly enough. There was some fuss about booking because Lauren still hadn't cooperated to get booked. My heart kind of sank because I was thinking she still wasn't going to cooperate, which I support her 100% of course, but I just really wanted her to get out. So the officers started being bossy with her again and she froze in her tracks and I was like, crap, something's going to happen. But then her lawyer said something and kind of coaxed her and
smoothed things out and she left the courtroom.
So then we were still not sure if she'd get out. I asked Jim if she'd cooperate and he shrugged and said "It depends on how they treat her." So we waited at the pizza place next door while Jim drove back to the station. We speculated a while about whether she'd cooperate and get out and then they showed up and we all had a nice chat at the pizza place. We brainstormed about things we could do to make the lives of non-violent inmates a little more pleasant like write them letters or send them publications to read, maybe even raise some money for them and stuph.
The End
Lauren is free! (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11855.msg202409#msg202409)
;D
I'm very very very very happy for Jim and Lauren. Not 90 days this time! YAY! Maybe next time they won't waste their time. The cops will be busy for 30 days or better just forwarding Lauren's fan mail.
8) You cats not standing up for his lordship.....very cool. 8)
Thanks for the update Dalebert. 8)
I've been preocuppied all day wondering how things would go.
Quote from: KBCraig on November 07, 2007, 05:59 PM NHFT
Lauren is free! (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11855.msg202409#msg202409)
;D
Yes, awesome! Thanks for the announcement KB! :)
Good news. Thanks for the update Dale.
I wish this would have not happened in the first place.
But the b'crats just can't let it go can they?
Quote from: dalebert on November 07, 2007, 05:54 PM NHFT
The trial lasted about an hour to an hour and a half. Many of us did not rise when the judge came in but we did rise when Lauren walked in. I think she was a bit startled at first at the sudden motion but then she smiled at us. Russell cheered a little bit and the judge shushed him and said she knew we were there in support of Lauren but if we disrupted the courtroom we'd have to leave. The defense made a good case, I think. He tried hard. I thought he was rock solid fighting the resisting arrest charges, of which there were several somehow. :-\ One or two small charges were dismissed but most were not. I don't remember the exact details of what stuck or not. Maybe someone can update later.
When the judge called for a short recess and we did not rise when ordered as she got up, we got some heated glares from the MANY officers standing around. Someone grumbled that we should be arrested the next time we didn't rise. The judge came back and started handing out judgements for crimes and the whole thing just happened to add up to the time served. The prosecution pushed for some more stuph. It was like they were upset like she wasn't punished harshly enough. There was some fuss about booking because Lauren still hadn't cooperated to get booked. My heart kind of sank because I was thinking she still wasn't going to cooperate, which I support her 100% of course, but I just really wanted her to get out. So the officers started being bossy with her again and she froze in her tracks and I was like, crap, something's going to happen. But then her lawyer said something and kind of coaxed her and
smoothed things out and she left the courtroom.
So then we were still not sure if she'd get out. I asked Jim if she'd cooperate and he shrugged and said "It depends on how they treat her." So we waited at the pizza place next door while Jim drove back to the station. We speculated a while about whether she'd cooperate and get out and then they showed up and we all had a nice chat at the pizza place. We brainstormed about things we could do to make the lives of non-violent inmates a little more pleasant like write them letters or send them publications to read, maybe even raise some money for them and stuph.
The End
Read on-air.
:clap:
Nice work, Dale.
If you wanted to expand your blog beyond just cartoons, posting your report there would be good. Or add it as an addendum to your Lauren cartoon.
Thanks Dale. 8)
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 07, 2007, 06:36 PM NHFT
:clap:
Nice work, Dale.
If you wanted to expand your blog beyond just cartoons, posting your report there would be good. Or add it as an addendum to your Lauren cartoon.
I posted it as a comment to the Judge Crocker / Queen of Hearts cartoon.
Lauren in-studio now: http://listen.freetalklive.com
the judge was not too bad ... justdoing her job
the cops and their prosecuter wanted the book thrown at her
I love that you guys did not stand for the judge. :V_mask_50:
Heard Lauren on FTL, she sounded good,
great to just hear her vioce and know she is free. :party-smiley-020:
Yay!
Glad to here of freedom!!
Lauren's freedom!! :wav: :party-smiley-020: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :hghfive: :hghfive: :hghfive:
Whew. Thank God that she's free!!!
Thrown in jail for not rising for a judge? That would be a first.
But then... We're all about firsts. 8)
I believe they will throw you in jail for not rising. Iv't done it twice, and others more than that. Small bit of defiance. :)
It is much easier when there are others there also refusing to rise. It's a bit of a rush.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 07, 2007, 09:58 PM NHFT
It's a bit of a rush.
It really is! There is this tension that builds because you don't know how strongly they're react to it, and when it passes and you survive it it's like getting off a scary roller-coaster. I remember pondering whether we might get arrested or fined or something for it on the drive over and I was speculating about whether I was prepared to get arrested; would I be able to call someone and work out things like getting help to get my car back to the house, etc.
Quote from: Michael Fisher on November 07, 2007, 09:48 PM NHFT
Thrown in jail for not rising for a judge? That would be a first.
"Contempt of court."
Awesome news!!! :party-smiley-020: :broc1: :blueman:
I'm guessing Jim is enjoying his happiest birthday ever.
Welcome home, Lauren! :)
Quote from: GraniteForge on November 08, 2007, 01:46 AM NHFT
Quote from: David on November 07, 2007, 09:53 PM NHFT
I believe they will throw you in jail for not rising. Iv't done it twice, and others more than that. Small bit of defiance. :)
Just to make it clear: In NH, you are not rising "for the judge," but rather out of respect for the concept of the legal process that leads to a just verdict via the "trier of fact."
In this particular case, the judge represented that process as the ultimate trier of fact, but in a NH jury trial, you rise for the jury, not the judge.
But you are told to rise when the black robed one walks in.
The same thing goes for them sitting higher, the whole process is designed to make you feel beneath the priest of the law.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 08, 2007, 05:09 AM NHFT
Quote from: GraniteForge on November 08, 2007, 01:46 AM NHFT
Quote from: David on November 07, 2007, 09:53 PM NHFT
I believe they will throw you in jail for not rising. Iv't done it twice, and others more than that. Small bit of defiance. :)
Just to make it clear: In NH, you are not rising "for the judge," but rather out of respect for the concept of the legal process that leads to a just verdict via the "trier of fact."
In this particular case, the judge represented that process as the ultimate trier of fact, but in a NH jury trial, you rise for the jury, not the judge.
But you are told to rise when the black robed one walks in.
The same thing goes for them sitting higher, the whole process is designed to make you feel beneath the priest of the law.
What is that whole black robe thing? They look like they are getting ready to sing in a satanic choir. A pointed hat with moon and stars on it would just about complete the ensemble.
:party-smiley-020: :party-smiley-020: :wav: :wav: :kermit: :blob6:
YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!! So happy you are free and back home in Jim's arms!!! Thank you, brave, wonderful Lauren!! Soooooo glad you can get a nice hot shower and slip into some comfy jammies and relax for a few days!
Happy Birthday Jim, you are a great guy and a wonderful husband.
Lauren is free!!
:jailbird:
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 07, 2007, 08:18 PM NHFT
the judge was not too bad ... justdoing her job
the cops and their prosecuter wanted the book thrown at her
I don't understand this. I mean, yes, we are talking about the gestapo death squad....but even they have to understand that she spent over a month in jail for something ridiculous...I mean, what the hell?? How could they ustify trying to "get" her with anything else?? Was it Lyons who was trying to do this?? He has always been such a reasonable guy.....
Quote from: KBCraig on November 07, 2007, 05:59 PM NHFT
Lauren is free! (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11855.msg202409#msg202409)
;D
Details! Please!
What happened! Who released her? Were all charges dropped?
Quote from: silent steve on November 08, 2007, 06:36 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on November 07, 2007, 05:59 PM NHFT
Lauren is free! (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11855.msg202409#msg202409)
;D
Details! Please!
What happened! Who released her? Were all charges dropped?
You can listen to her from last nights Free Talk Live
http://media.libsyn.com/media/ftl/FTL2007-11-07.mp3
Had posted to sunnimaravillosa.com
http://www.sunnimaravillosa.com/node/1234#comment-4335
Quote from: RattyDog on November 08, 2007, 06:05 AM NHFT
I don't understand this. I mean, yes, we are talking about the gestapo death squad....but even they have to understand that she spent over a month in jail for something ridiculous...I mean, what the hell?? How could they ustify trying to "get" her with anything else?? Was it Lyons who was trying to do this?? He has always been such a reasonable guy.....
Because their authority feels threatened and they must crush the rebel "uprising".
Quote from: GraniteForge on November 08, 2007, 01:46 AM NHFT
In NH, you are not rising "for the judge," but rather out of respect for the concept of the legal process that leads to a just verdict via the "trier of fact."
Yes, either or, I have no respect for it. To rise is a demonstration of respect for that process so it would be a lie, which is immoral.
Quote from: dalebert on November 08, 2007, 08:15 AM NHFT
Because their authority feels threatened and they must crush the rebel "uprising".
Remember, when stopped by the authorities, the correct response is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_mind_trick)
You don't need to see our identification
We can go about our business.
[youtube=425,350]CnjaUoR15dU[/youtube]
droids? what droids? ;D
Welcome home Lauren! What beautiful irony that this elegant, peaceful woman can create such anger and vitriol in the enforcer fraternity.
I've never been in court except as a juror. In my twisted imagination I see myself saying to the judge, "Excuse me, your Judgeship sir, being as, in my heart, I have contempt for this court, am I automatically guilty of contempt of court?"
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 08, 2007, 06:47 AM NHFT
You can listen to her from last nights Free Talk Live
http://media.libsyn.com/media/ftl/FTL2007-11-07.mp3
Just the interview:
https://www.freetalklive.com/files/canarioB.mp3
they didnt really drop anything
the cops still wanted the book thrown at her ..... the judge wanted to let her out that day
[youtube=425,350]nWr6ec2zEyE[/youtube]
TROOPS is filmed on location with the men of the Imperial Forces. All suspects are GUILTY! Period! Otherwise they wouldn't be suspects, would they?
If you can't realistically expect justice from the black-robed one, why bother standing up?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 08, 2007, 11:19 AM NHFT
they didnt really drop anything
the cops still wanted the book thrown at her ..... the judge wanted to let her out that day
I think the cartoon (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2007/10/25/the-right-to-remain-silent/) on the front page (http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071101/MILFORD01/71031017/-1/milford) of the judge's local newspaper might have had something to do with it.
http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071108/BREAKING/71108001
CABINET news story about LAUREN Free
PUBLISHED today november 8, 2007
http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20071108&Category=BREAKING&ArtNo=71108001&SectionCat=&Template=printart
(breaking news ... could disappear anytime... Nov. 15 story coming)
Article published Nov 8, 2007
Canario goes free
By Daymond Steer
cabinet.com
MILFORD — A so-called "Free Stater" jailed for 35 days for refusing to cooperate with police was set free on Wednesday.
Lauren Canario, 50, of Winchester, was found guilty of speeding, driving an unregistered vehicle, driving with a suspended license, disobeying a police officer, resisting arrest and misuse of plates by Judge Martha Crocker.
But the judge threw out charges of breach of bail conditions and resisting arrest.
For more, see the Nov. 15 issue of The Cabinet.
© 2003, Telegraph Publishing Company, Nashua, New Hampshire
//
304pm nov8 2007
//
A one week delay for the story? Are they slow typists?
Quote from: coffeeseven on November 08, 2007, 03:07 PM NHFT
A one week delay for the story? Are they slow typists?
Weekly paper?
"Your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me, only money!"
Time served is speeder's penalty (http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071108/NEWS01/311080096/-1/news)
Nashua Telegraph
QuotePolice prosecutor Michael McCall countered that "sitting is a verb," and not taking action is an action in itself.
No wonder they let her out.
Lauren Canario - Guilty of a non-moving verb violation.
So remaining silent is a statement, right?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 08, 2007, 11:19 AM NHFT
they didnt really drop anything
the cops still wanted the book thrown at her ..... the judge wanted to let her out that day
So, has she just been released from jail then?
Does she have a court appearance in the future in the instant matter of her most recent right to remain silent arrest?
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 08, 2007, 06:40 PM NHFT
Time served is speeder's penalty (http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071108/NEWS01/311080096/-1/news)
Nashua Telegraph
"About a half-dozen members of the group and their children filled several front rows on either side of the courtroom."
Eh? Half a dozen can fill "several rows"? Must be small rows!
she is free ... and I am sure .... driving her car :)
UL article
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Free+Stater+ends+jail+stint+from+traffic+stop+protest&articleId=1ad6a3f0-61de-4ef4-85cf-0b8bff5ae37a
Quote... Her silence amounted to a one-woman protest against what Canario, Johnson and their supporters consider the excessively long arm of the government.
Obviously they either didn't know about, or are ignoring, the few dozen that joined in her protest outside the jail.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 08, 2007, 09:37 PM NHFT
UL article
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Free+Stater+ends+jail+stint+from+traffic+stop+protest&articleId=1ad6a3f0-61de-4ef4-85cf-0b8bff5ae37a
I posted a comment that I'm sure will raise some hackles... if it gets approved.
Yeah, so did I.
Posted my own comment educating them about the history of vehicle registration and the right to drive.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 08, 2007, 10:21 PM NHFT
Posted my own comment educating them about the history of vehicle registration and the right to drive.
You make me feel quite dumb sometimes. :P I just said stuph about the police state and how they're going to be sending everyone to camps for dissenting, rant, rant, rant. ;D
There were 13 of us attending the trial.
Did Lauren get her that was knife stolen from the car back?
Merged the trial thread into here since the event is over.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 02, 2007, 09:26 AM NHFT
Well, if you want to print them, you can get the file here:
http://keenefreepress.com/kfp100107.pdf
but if you'd rather, you can have newspapers on Monday at the 5th of November thing :)
Thanks, Rainey!
Rick took a couple of newspapers with him to Washington State and was reading one on the airplane and actually started a conversation with the guy next to him. Rick gave him a newspaper. :)
Cool :D
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 08, 2007, 10:21 PM NHFT
Posted my own comment educating them about the history of vehicle registration and the right to drive.
Nice, I see mvpel posted an actual quote over there documenting this:—
Quote11 Am.Jur. Constitutional Law 329: The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
A common retort people have to the "driving is a right" argument is that it doesn't apply to motor vehicles because they're too dangerous, and that it only applies to older forms of travel such as on foot or by horse-drawn carriage. There are a couple threads (1 (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=14216.0), 2 (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=14355.0)) over on the FSP forum wherein this argument comes up (along with a relatively new poster, WmBGreene, who makes me think of Bill Grennon, but that's another story).
So, do we have any freestaters who know how to drive a team of horses? A protest wherein a few freestaters drive up and down a main street in Manchester or Concord, in a horse-drawn carriage, during rush hour, might make an interesting point.
or walk .... it is hard to create the perfect scenario to "teach" people
I think most of the time it is easier to just drive. :)
(http://www.downinthewoods.com/photos/2004/April/surrey.jpg)
Ducks and hens and geese better scurry...
Quote from the UL article:
Quote
Before Canario left to be transported to the police station, Crocker attempted to shine some perspective on the situation.
"It's not up to me to decide if the time you spent at Valley Street is proportionate punishment for a speeding case," said Crocker, "but that was your choice, and your choice was honored."
Hey Dale, I believe this calls for another cartoon >:D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 09, 2007, 07:39 AM NHFT
Did Lauren get her that was knife stolen from the car back?
Yes. They tried to get us to come back some other day, 3 hour round trip. Then they made us wait for a half hour, they didn't have anyone to open the evidence locker... and then they did. :P
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 09, 2007, 09:59 AM NHFT
(along with a relatively new poster, WmBGreene, who makes me think of Bill Grennon, but that's another story).
That's because he is Bill Grennon.
Quote from: srqrebel on November 09, 2007, 10:34 AM NHFT
Quote from the UL article:
Quote
Before Canario left to be transported to the police station, Crocker attempted to shine some perspective on the situation.
"It's not up to me to decide if the time you spent at Valley Street is proportionate punishment for a speeding case," said Crocker, "but that was your choice, and your choice was honored."
Hey Dale, I believe this calls for another cartoon >:D
It kind of sounds like she saw my other cartoon or some of the posts on Free Lauren Canario. I thought she was avoiding that stuph. ^-^
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=657&Itemid=36
Anyone get a photo after her release that I could use? Video still?
I spoke with the DMV here and asked them if a license could be surrendered at the DMV. Ya know...just walk in and hand it to them. They said yes. Sounds like a perfect way to "reset all of the buttons". Anyone know of any negative ramifications?
Aside from sitting in jail for 36 days because a judge makes an unwarranted and illegal presumption of a waiver of a right by your exercise of your right to remain silent?
Q: I spoke with the DMV here and asked them if a license could be surrendered at the DMV. Ya know...just walk in and hand it to them. They said yes. Sounds like a perfect way to "reset all of the buttons". Anyone know of any negative ramifications?
A: yes. do not "drive" any vehicle that has DMV papers in it's history. People around the country have been "cancelling" licenses for a long time. SUSPENDED licenses do not "cancel" easily. Folks, it is a "commercial" activity when you "use" a "regulated (licensed)" vehicle... you are DRIVING.
(P.S. if you are a RESIDENT by way of VOTERS registration evidence and such, then you are an UNLICENSED driver (misdemeanor sometimes tried in traffic court)... when you "use/drive" the vehicle.)
I've heard some talk taht driving without a license is not as bad from their legal mumbo jumbo as driving on a suspended license. Of course it doesn't mean they're going to leave you alone, but I heard that what they typically do is suspend your license after whatever fines and punishments they dish out. If you don't have one, sounds like you're better off. Anyone can confirm or deny?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 09, 2007, 01:38 PM NHFT
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=657&Itemid=36
That's a great article, Kat!
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 08, 2007, 10:21 PM NHFT
Posted my own comment educating them about the history of vehicle registration and the right to drive.
Respectfully for your consideration J'raxis: The terms "travel" and "drive" are, in the court's usage "terms of art" with very specific meanings that, in some cases, are different from their popular usages. Not wanting to start this discussion all over again, but there is extensive discussion over at Keene Activist May Be Jailed Tomorrow Morning 8/15 Over a U-Turn! (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=10212.15) Both armlaw and I posted extensive quotes, including definitions, so I don't want to start that all up here. Was thinking of starting a "Right to Travel" thread - might still be a good one.
Basically, though, "travelling" is a right and "driving" is a privilege - gotta read those posts, though, to get the full contexts and meanings. Just one short excerpt, though, taken from one of armlaw's posts:
QuoteTherefore, the term "travel" or "traveler" refers to one who uses a conveyance to go from one place to another, and included all those who use the highways as a matter of Right.
Notice that in all these definitions, the phrase "for hire" never occurs. This term "travel" or "traveler" implies, by definition, one who uses the road as a means to move from one place to another.
Therefore, one who uses the road in the ordinary course of life and business for the purpose of travel and transportation is a traveler.
DRIVER
The term "driver" in contradistinction to "traveler," is defined as:
"Driver -- One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle ..."
Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Pg. 940
Notice that this definition includes one who is "employed" in conducting a vehicle. It should be self-evident that this individual could not be "travelling" on a journey, but is using the road as a place of business.
It gets involved, but once the definitions are understood it becomes clearer. Now, the state's role in confusing the 2 to get us all signed up as "drivers", that's another story.
jaqeboy:—
I remember reading that thread now. The reason I used the term driver is because there have actually been some laws that have referred to a "right to drive," e.g., mvpel's quotation. I suppose this is what you mean by the government confusing and conflating terms.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 09, 2007, 01:38 PM NHFT
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=657&Itemid=36
Anyone get a photo after her release that I could use? Video still?
Sent a B/W video still, a Color Print and Web version also.
So Karen I would have to build my own motorized conveyance in order to skirt the whole "vehicle" issue?
I know removing the VIN tags is a strictly verboten so trying to reclassify a vehicle is probably impossible.
I got a ticket in a kit car once. There was no name on the body and I would not give the cop the kit name so he asked me what the engine year and type was. I was young. I told him. He put that on the ticket. The bigger issue is jurisdiction. the second issue is getting a judge to recognize it.
Back to my bicycle again as a result to the problem. ::) Hey has anyone in NH gotten a ticket for no helmet?? It is after all "the law".
Quote from: coffeeseven on November 09, 2007, 07:22 PM NHFT
Back to my bicycle again as a result to the problem. ::) Hey has anyone in NH gotten a ticket for no helmet?? It is after all "the law".
I think the "law" only applies to children.
(Posted by: coffeeseven)
So Karen I would have to build my own motorized conveyance in order to skirt the whole "vehicle" issue?
I know removing the VIN tags is a strictly verboten so trying to reclassify a vehicle is probably impossible.
I got a ticket in a kit car once. There was no name on the body and I would not give the cop the kit name so he asked me what the engine year and type was. I was young. I told him. He put that on the ticket. The bigger issue is jurisdiction. the second issue is getting a judge to recognize it.
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1) If you built a car from raw materials, you could technically "conveyance" it down the road. NO passengers for hire. No freight carriage for hire.
2) You can also BUY a car from oversees, and keep the MANUFACTURER'S Statement of Origin(MSO), and show that as ownership proof.
3) you WILL probably LOSE a few cars to the tow truck and impound lot (no matter how right you are).
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Remember: YOU cannot USE a car that does/(has had) a PLATE from ANY STATE issued for it UNLESS you have a LICENSE recognized by the jurisdiction you are in. TO get a plate you have to ASK the STATE to regulate it. IT "then" becomes a FELONY to deface the SERIAL NUMBER (now registered VIN) "since" the state has an INTEREST in it.
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interesting reading at:
http://www.embassyofheaven.com/catalog/Vehicles.htm
(the hostmaster knows how the DMV works from personal experience)
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Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 09, 2007, 06:23 PM NHFT
jaqeboy:—
I remember reading that thread now. The reason I used the term driver is because there have actually been some laws that have referred to a "right to drive," e.g., mvpel's quotation. I suppose this is what you mean by the government confusing and conflating terms.
Read it more carefully once again (copied and pasted from UL page):
11 Am.Jur. Constitutional Law 329: The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
They didn't confuse or conflate terms - they usually use them carefully and very accurately. It's usually us hoi polloi that think they mean something else and end up in jail. We tend to read that once and interpret it to mean "right to drive", but that's not what it says.
Quote from: jaqeboy on November 09, 2007, 06:14 PM NHFT
Now, the state's role in confusing the 2 to get us all signed up as "drivers", that's another story.
Yeah, J', I mis-spoke there. They didn't confuse the language (back in the 20's), but confused the people enough that they signed up to be licensed as "drivers" when they didn't have to, they had a right to continue to "travel" without a license.
arraingment and BAIL in NH (good for Lauren or anyone without papers...)
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lix/597/597-mrg.htm
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EXCERPT
TITLE LIX
PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES
CHAPTER 597
BAIL AND RECOGNIZANCES
General Provisions
Section 597:1
597:1 Release and Detention Authority Generally. – Except as provided in RSA 597:1-a, 597:1-c, or 597:1-d, all persons arrested for an offense shall be eligible to be released pending judicial proceedings upon compliance with the provisions of this chapter.
Source. GS 240:18. GL 258:18. PS 252:12. PL 366:13. RL 425:13. RSA 597:1. 1969, 78:1. 1974, 34:4. 1988, 110:1. 1989, 386:1. 1993, 258:1, eff. Aug. 14, 1993.
Section 597:1-a
597:1-a Release or Detention of a Defendant Pending Sentence or Appeal. –
I. After conviction for an offense punishable by death or, by a term of life imprisonment without possibility of parole, or for aggravated felonious sexual assault or felonious sexual assault, a defendant shall not be allowed bail.
II. Except as provided in paragraph I, the court shall order that a person who has been found guilty of a felony and who is awaiting imposition or execution of sentence be detained, unless the court finds by clear and convincing evidence that the person is not likely to flee or pose a danger to the safety of the person or to any other person or the community. If the court makes such a finding, it shall order the release of the person in accordance with the provisions of RSA 597:2.
III. The court shall order that a person who has been found guilty of
...
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Quote from: dalebert on November 09, 2007, 05:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 09, 2007, 01:38 PM NHFT
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=657&Itemid=36
That's a great article, Kat!
Thanks, Dalebert :)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 09, 2007, 06:30 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 09, 2007, 01:38 PM NHFT
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=657&Itemid=36
Anyone get a photo after her release that I could use? Video still?
Sent a B/W video still, a Color Print and Web version also.
Thanks Roger! What a beautiful picture :)
$64,000 question: Did Lauren ever get her camera back from Plainfield PD/US Marshals?
(Not a lurker----I use Headline Browser on my HamptonBeachNews.com (http://hamptonbeachnews.com) for a newbie (someone with under 100 posts.)
Now you're not a lurker :) I don't think she got her camera back.
;)
Working on the video of demonstration footage from Menno's Pumpkin Festival display (Jim shot), V Jail Protest, and Lauren interview footage. It is turning out nicely. Should be able to release in a few days.
Woohoo! ;D
Lauren update from RidleyReport.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFNFKfEHA3w
Wrote another article:
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=660&Itemid=36
Updated http://freelaurencanario.com/
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 11, 2007, 04:14 AM NHFT
Updated http://freelaurencanario.com/
8) Nice job organizing the content in one place.
Noticed that Pat K's fine essay
Lauren Canario has Ruined It for Me (http://freelaurencanario.com/node/25) is clipped off at the end.
You have to click on the Read More link to get the rest? I did fix the link in that post, though.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 11, 2007, 04:14 AM NHFT
Updated http://freelaurencanario.com/
Re: The name calling of Lauren.
Slave training begins in the classroom, maybe even your parent's classroom when they were children.
Making an example of and ridiculing a particular student for being different, for not going along with the program, teaches us that someone else does have the right to own you because sovereignty is so out of place. ie: "Do as you are told." "You idiot." "What's wrong with you?"
So true.
Hey, I just wanted to say that I think you all have done a wonderful job keeping us up to date about what is happening.
Dave, your vids are awesome!
Hasta all!
Quote from: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on November 11, 2007, 09:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 11, 2007, 04:14 AM NHFT
Updated http://freelaurencanario.com/
Re: The name calling of Lauren.
Slave training begins in the classroom, maybe even your parent's classroom when they were children.
Making an example of and ridiculing a particular student for being different, for not going along with the program, teaches us that someone else does have the right to own you because sovereignty is so out of place. ie: "Do as you are told." "You idiot." "What's wrong with you?"
The classroom and the pharmacist.
Quote from: jjschless on November 14, 2007, 02:25 AM NHFT
Quote from: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on November 11, 2007, 09:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 11, 2007, 04:14 AM NHFT
Updated http://freelaurencanario.com/
Re: The name calling of Lauren.
Slave training begins in the classroom, maybe even your parent's classroom when they were children.
Making an example of and ridiculing a particular student for being different, for not going along with the program, teaches us that someone else does have the right to own you because sovereignty is so out of place. ie: "Do as you are told." "You idiot." "What's wrong with you?"
The classroom and the pharmacist.
That sounds like a good title for a future book. I'm glad my mom was a rebel when we were growing up, she taught us never to trust cops or the government. Now that she's older she is mellowing out and doesn't want to hear about the crap that's going on as much. I've talked about Ron Paul to my family but they don't even want to hear about him even though they know nothing about him. ::)
My daughter decided to vote in Maryland and she was going to vote for Obama and I said what about all the stuff I told you about Ron Paul? I know it's her decision but she does forget things I say a lot so after I told her about Ron Paul again she's going to vote for him. :)
Video featuring Jim's footage of the pumpkin art display created by Menno... outreach at the Keene Pumpkin Festival.
Free Lauren V protest at the jail... candles, flashlights, V masks and radicals in the dark.
Interview with Lauren... Why did she do it?
[youtube=425,350]XJLMOd-1PKM[/youtube]
Help spread the message of the efforts of the NHunderground and Lauren's sacrifice.
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kola
Quote from: kola on November 14, 2007, 10:57 AM NHFT
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kola
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim
LOL!
it really makes me wanna move to NH.
in a way I wished I found about you folks before I bought my property here in Colorado.
scratchin head,
Kola
back to the vid..seriously I think that was terrific. Actually it would be a great introduction for a longer version of a freestater film. Use that as the intro and expand and touch on other issues.,,and keep adding on until you get a 1-2 hour documentary. I think y'all should consider it..then blast it all over the damn internet. It really has great potential.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 14, 2007, 11:01 AM NHFT
Quote from: kola on November 14, 2007, 10:57 AM NHFT
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kola
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim
Hey Jim I think the quote function on your computer is stuck. ;D
Quote from: kola on November 14, 2007, 11:06 AM NHFT
LOL!
it really makes me wanna move to NH.
in a way I wished I found about you folks before I bought my property here in Colorado.
scratchin head,
Kola
back to the vid..seriously I think that was terrific. Actually it would be a great introduction for a longer version of a freestater film. Use that as the intro and expand and touch on other issues.,,and keep adding on until you get a 1-2 hour documentary. I think y'all should consider it..then blast it all over the damn internet. It really has great potential.
Videos I've created have inspired folks to move to NH, that is what I was trying for.
The best estimate I can make is between 200 and 250k views, not including repostings and file sharing networks.
This content will be used in longer form documentary projects. I have a preliminary understanding with the Candid World folks and plans of my own.
Glad you were inspired Kola, emotions are what I try to appeal to. Help spread the message if you can post on other forums etc. I don't make money on the project, but I do get inspired to do more when we get views.
will do, Tom..great work, bro!
Kola
Totally fuckin' awesome video!!
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 14, 2007, 11:01 AM NHFT
Quote from: kola on November 14, 2007, 10:57 AM NHFT
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kola
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dale
Shoot, I didn't read the other replies before I commented on it :P
;D
Kat the forum seems to be stuck... plus does Russell know you talk like that :o
Thanks. :)
Russell goes conveniently deaf when I talk all salty.
I like it.
There ya go, the salty stuff really turns him on.
You two should get a room. ;)
Russell's little maniacal laugh was a highlight for me. And Kat sounded kind of like she was in the mob. :D
Dale was the reasonable anarchist. :icon_pirat:
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2007, 02:00 PM NHFT
Dale was the reasonable anarchist. :icon_pirat:
I remember at the time feeling like I had done horribly, but after watching it, I don't feel so bad about it. Bill was freakin' spot on! He nailed it.
It really was a great video. Tom, you gotta keep putting them out and I like the idea of compiling some of the various pieces of footage, including some of Dave's stuph, into a feature documentary about the FSP. We can bit torrent it and load it up to YouTube in pieces I s'pose.
Dale you've been featured in two of my pieces. You come off well.
A friend (non-libertarian) liked your interview the best... well everyone smiles and laughs at William's part, course it is hard to out cute a six year old. :D
The same friend's attention was fixated by Lauren's interview. Lauren thought it was kind of weak, just shows that we don't (often) know our own strengths. Of course I know mine... that's why I'm on the backside of the camera.
Agree about Longhair Bill Walker nailing it.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2007, 03:22 PM NHFT
Agree about Longhair Bill Walker nailing it.
Ah, Longhair Bill. Is this how we're going to keep them separate now?
Yes, we have the longhair and shorthair varieties, just like cats.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2007, 03:22 PM NHFT
Agree about Longhair Bill Walker nailing it.
Yeah Bill is good... wait a minute which V was he? ;D
Longhair V. :V_mask_50:
And of course Russell, as always, came through... damn natural performers. >:(
I liked the way our faces looked in the light. :)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2007, 03:32 PM NHFT
And of course Russell, as always, came through... damn natural performers. >:(
he knows how delicate the talent can sometimes be
I really need a dozen roses each time to know that the public loves me ;)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 14, 2007, 07:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2007, 03:32 PM NHFT
And of course Russell, as always, came through... damn natural performers. >:(
he knows how delicate the talent can sometimes be
I really need a dozen roses each time to know that the public loves me ;)
And the whole red M&M's thing... ohhh, I'm sooo sorry Russell I promise that next time we will remove
all of the red M&M's. That personal assistant was fired.
Very good, extremely inspiring video--mega kudos! :hello:
Thanks Insurgent
Just go this announce, 8) Kat
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Google News Alert for: Lauren Canario
Lauren Canario explains her freedom to travel in new video (http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=666&Itemid=36)
Keene Free Press - Keene,NH,USA
Winchester resident Lauren Canario was arrested and detained for lack of government paperwork during a traffic stop in Milford about a month ago. ...
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Get that video in front of John Gilmore!
Could you do it?
who is john gilmore?
Quote from: dalebert on November 14, 2007, 01:23 PM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 14, 2007, 11:01 AM NHFT
Quote from: kola on November 14, 2007, 10:57 AM NHFT
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kola
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dale
I like the tempo and length, it moves right along. Night scene, night scene, night scene, Daylight! Lauren really exists. That is art, not just a documentary.
and...
damn, that vid was fricken awesome!!!!! ;D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lauren
OK, I sent him a link.
Gilmore is a silicon valley legend, a libertarian, and was among the first to balk at the TSA's demands (http://www.papersplease.org/wp/).
Another quality Political Graffiti release!
I particularly enjoyed the sound design with the spooky sounding cell door effect. 8)
Just got a chance to see the video,
great work Roger.
Thanks Lauren, you were my most important audience... I just wanted us to have something worth your sacrifice. :)
8) Morey thanks for reaching out to another who inspired this.
:D Ian liked the custom "music", it was cool I made the piece and the accents timed out really well.
And of course Pat K... what can I say, we were taught in boot camp that to impress the squids was our highest goal. ;D
Every video does make Lauren "real" ... jail tries to dehumanize .... it is hard for people to connect with you when you are hidden by 5 concrete walls ... but then supporters show up and Lauren is interviewed ... poof ... she is a real person again. :)
Great Job Roge!
Folks could help spread the message to other forums etc.
Message I have started to post other places
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=2613.msg205237#msg205237
Gov. Lynch responded to my Habis Corpus.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 15, 2007, 11:50 PM NHFT
Gov. Lynch responded to my Habis Corpus.
So, 6 days after Lauren was released, some Special Assistant promises to "forward your comments" to the appropriate departments for review.
How magnanimous of them. ::)
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2007, 01:38 AM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 15, 2007, 11:50 PM NHFT
Gov. Lynch responded to my Habis Corpus.
So, 6 days after Lauren was released, some Special Assistant promises to "forward your comments" to the appropriate departments for review.
How magnanimous of them. ::)
And they didn't even retype the error in syntax. I can almost hear them singing now.....
We represent the lollipop guillllllld
And we're here to welcome you to munchkin land
Oh yeah the system works real well. :P
Lauren's being called a hero over here:
http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/index.php?/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,51/topic,454.0/
:D
8)
This comment over at
anti-state.com (http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=20219;start=0#msg419428) made me smile.
QuoteAs much as I joke about you guys, you're ok people. Kinda like Ghandi if he had been a huge Treky or something.
Lauren on Free Minds TV: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU)
Quote from: TobyFMTV on November 17, 2007, 06:00 PM NHFT
Lauren on Free Minds TV: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU)
Great video, Toby! I can't get enough Lauren interviews and I suspect there are lot of curious people out there who want to get a better idea of what's going on in her head. It makes perfect sense to us, but these are really new ideas to a lot of indoctrinated sheeple.
Quote from: TobyFMTV on November 17, 2007, 06:00 PM NHFT
Lauren on Free Minds TV: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU)
Great show, guys! I don't know about that nick, though..does he let anyone get a word in?? ;)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 18, 2007, 05:35 AM NHFT
Quote from: TobyFMTV on November 17, 2007, 06:00 PM NHFT
Lauren on Free Minds TV: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vWV3L4-BhrU)
Great show, guys! I don't know about that nick, though..does he let anyone get a word in?? ;)
I get a kick out of their big money set. The plastic sheet thumb tacked to the front of the wooden folding tables just says bling. :)
Hey, I was impressed that they have tables now.
I understand (why), that after the show they killed nick!
great job roger!
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 18, 2007, 09:23 AM NHFT
great job roger!
Thanks
Did anyone notice Dada's cameo in the piece? ;D
They Killed Nick!
You bastards!
Daffy Duck just posted a comment on the arrest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc#GU5U2spHI_4
04silvltr3
QuoteSorry but you people are completely dispicable!
;D
Traffic stop jailbird out after 35 days (http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/MILFORD01/71119031/-1/Milford01)
(http://ncimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NC&Date=20071120&Category=MILFORD01&ArtNo=71119031&Ref=AR&title=1&MaxW=580)
...the end. ;D
Or is it?
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on November 20, 2007, 11:07 PM NHFT
...the end. ;D
Or is it?
Oh, I seriously doubt that.
Nice picture. Very sweet and touching.
decent article
New article by Lauren:
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=673&Itemid=36
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 21, 2007, 08:31 AM NHFT
New article by Lauren:
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=673&Itemid=36
Great article Lauren. 8) >:D :D
Thanks Tom! Lucky I had a pencil that day.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 20, 2007, 10:34 PM NHFT
Traffic stop jailbird out after 35 days (http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/MILFORD01/71119031/-1/Milford01)
Grateful thanks to everyone who demonstrated and called and emailed for my release. That story would have been much snarkier if tons of people hadn't shown support for me. You guys are tremendous.
Nice letter Lauren.
Hope your wrists are healing.
that is really funny .... imagining 5 guards with masks on ... like you are a walking biohazard
I got a letter from the New Hampshire Attorney General Office...she's out, go to hell...but it was in responce to the letter I sent to the Governor, that was forwarded to The Dept. of Justice.
LAUREN could not get a JURY trial FIRST TIME >>
from:
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=673&Itemid=36
...
Will it be a jury trial?, I ask. Not at first, he says, but if we lose we can, under New Hampshire law, get a brand new trial with a jury. Weird. I guess that means if we win the prosecution can get a brand new trial with a jury, too.
...
me says LAUREN is now COURT-trial-convicted and OUT of jail -- time served...
This "jury second trial concept is BAD" (especially if you are in custody for the FIRST trial like Lauren.
seems Jury trial right v. Double jeopardy issues here). Second trial must be "trial de novo" (trial new again)
opinion: this second-trial-jury-right problem needs to be fixed by LEGISLATURE.
1157am Nov25
http://www.cabinet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20071120&Category=MILFORD01&ArtNo=71119031&SectionCat=&Template=printart
picture only: http://ncimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NC&Date=20071120&Category=MILFORD01&ArtNo=71119031&Ref=AR&MaxW=250
Article published Nov 20, 2007
Traffic stop jailbird out after 35 days
By Daymond Steer
MILFORD — Lauren Canario says it was worth sitting in jail for more than a month to make her point that the government shouldn't have the right to force motorists to have drivers' licenses or to register their cars.
Canario, 50, of Winchester, was pulled over for speeding on Oct. 3 and told Milford police officer George Durham that she had no license and registration. She also refused to identify herself, flopped like a rag doll when police attempted to remove her from the car, took her handcuffs off in police custody, and declined to be booked.
Her husband, Jim Johnson, videoed the arrest and had it put up on Youtube.com.
She was released on Nov. 7, — Johnson's 52nd birthday — after sitting in jail since Oct. 3. She spent a total of 35 days at Valley Street jail in Manchester.
"I think I've spent more time in jail making less of a point," said Canario in a phone interview last week.
Still adamant, she said she doesn't plan to get a license or registration unless a job demands it.
All forms of mandatory government identification are bureaucratic and unnecessary, she said, but voluntary identification, such as credit cards, is acceptable.
When asked if people should have licenses to ensure their driving safety, she replied that unsafe drivers often have licenses.
The department of motor vehicles is also unnecessary, she said.
"All they do is catalog people," she said.
Several supporters came to the jail while she was there, including a small group carrying signs that said "Free Lauren Canario." But, she said she didn't mean to start a mini-movement.
"I was just living my life the way I felt was best," she said.
She was found guilty of failure to display plates, resisting arrest, failure to register vehicles, speeding, driving after suspension, and disobeying an officer and on Nov. 7, Judge Martha Crocker added a breach of bail conditions charge. Canario was released on Nov. 7 because her sentence equaled the amount of time she had already served.
And, when a prisoner sits in jail for a day, they accumulate $50 worth of credit, so Canario didn't have to pay a fine.
Judge Martha Crocker, who was lampooned on a pro-Canario website, offered Canario best wishes as she walked out the door.
"It's not up to me to determine if the time you served in Valley Street is proportionate to the speeding ticket, which was the cause the initial stop, but that's your choice and your choice was honored," said Crocker. "I wish you luck."
Crocker made Canario complete the booking process at the Milford Police Station before she could go free. Then Canario was on her way to a to a party friends gave for her at Sal's, a pizza shop next to the court.
© 2003, Telegraph Publishing Company, Nashua, New Hampshire
Dear Lauren Canario,
Salutes to you for your standing the ground as you did on this thread and in real life.
A very close family member who I adore to all ends of the earth and beyond was harrassed by the badge, gun and system today. The lovely being, refused to sign a citation, which said he was doing something illegal (driving with a suspended license) which was not true. Jail, was the only answer the official puppet had in mind. No buts about it, even though a letter was in the records of driver's license for the past couple of years about the mistaken identity and approved by and written from the driver's license office.
It has become very clear that what Lauren has done is necessary to wake people up to these obsurdities.
Anyone who disagrees with you is just very brainwashed.
Signing the paper or else is taught from the early levels of education.
This is NOT acceptable.
Just got this comment... ;D
CupcakeLorLor
QuoteLAUREN DESERVES TO BE IN JAIL.
shes dumb, and should follow the law and respect our fucking police.
From Lauren's Arrest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc#GU5U2spHI_4
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 01, 2008, 11:35 AM NHFT
Just got this comment... ;D
CupcakeLorLor
QuoteLAUREN DESERVES TO BE IN JAIL.
shes dumb, and should follow the law and respect our fucking police.
From Lauren's Arrest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc#GU5U2spHI_4
Cupcake...that's some sweet language. Maybe one could respect them...if they weren't "fucking police".
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 01, 2008, 11:35 AM NHFT
Just got this comment... ;D
CupcakeLorLor
QuoteLAUREN DESERVES TO BE IN JAIL.
shes dumb, and should follow the law and respect our fucking police.
From Lauren's Arrest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc#GU5U2spHI_4
It is very important to recognize that there is a good likelihood that whoever posted this, is actually very close to coming around to accepting the rational premise that Lauren based her activism on. This seems counterintuitive, so here is the explanation:
The only reason a human being would react so violently to Lauren's peaceful activism, is because it threatens to obliterate the very paradigm that this individual has based his entire life upon. It is only natural for him to react defensively in that case. If we respond to such individuals with reactionary counter-violence (even with words), we only perpetuate the cycle of misunderstanding, and alienate the very individuals who are the closest to making the paradigm shift.
By responding to such outbursts in a rational, respectful, and peaceful manner, we can beam directly into their subconscious
the message that we come in peace, ultimately disarming their natural (though primitive) reactionary defenses. This allows them to continue making the paradigm shift with a rational sense of security, until they become one with us. :)
Remember: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they become you -- if you let them (to paraphrase Gandhi).
It is the ones who barely note our activism, let alone feel threatened enough to react, that are the hardest sell.
Quote from: srqrebel on February 01, 2008, 12:23 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 01, 2008, 11:35 AM NHFT
Just got this comment... ;D
CupcakeLorLor
QuoteLAUREN DESERVES TO BE IN JAIL.
shes dumb, and should follow the law and respect our fucking police.
From Lauren's Arrest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc#GU5U2spHI_4
It is very important to recognize that there is a good likelihood that whoever posted this, is actually very close to coming around to accepting the rational premise that Lauren based her activism on. This seems counterintuitive, so here is the explanation:
The only reason a human being would react so violently to Lauren's peaceful activism, is because it threatens to obliterate the very paradigm that this individual has based his entire life upon. It is only natural for him to react defensively in that case. If we respond to such individuals with reactionary counter-violence (even with words), we only perpetuate the cycle of misunderstanding, and alienate the very individuals who are the closest to making the paradigm shift.
By responding to such outbursts in a rational, respectful, and peaceful manner, we can beam directly into their subconscious the message that we come in peace, ultimately disarming their natural (though primitive) reactionary defenses. This allows them to continue making the paradigm shift with a rational sense of security, until they become one with us. :)
Remember: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they become you -- if you let them (to paraphrase Gandhi).
It is the ones who barely note our activism, let alone feel threatened enough to react, that are the hardest sell.
Interesting point... post a comment over there and see if Cupcake comes around or maybe the silent majority of the viewers that don't comment.
In summary, SRQRebel is saying the guy is experiencing cognitive dissonance and it's making him really uncomfortable so he lashes out.
CupcakeLorLor is a guy?
Maybe he's a cop too... a "fucking cop".
lauren you are my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the american dream. A million fucking cops at the bottom of the ocean with a lawyer under each arm. or atleast its my dream :D
Quote from: dalebert on February 01, 2008, 01:25 PM NHFT
In summary, SRQRebel is saying the guy is experiencing cognitive dissonance and it's making him really uncomfortable so he lashes out.
Yes, though it is important to note that the reason the cd is making him so uncomfortable, is because the newly introduced premises are threatening the very foundation of his worldview, hence everything he (or she) has built his entire life upon.
The way to disarm such individuals, is to show them that
all is not lost: The new paradigm holds far greater potential for their personal happiness and well-being than the one they have unfortunately been stuck in, and those of us who are championing this new paradigm want only the best for them.
Give them a chance to realize this by exercising patience and restraint, and watch them transform into our most vocal supporters. :)
We must absolutely rise above our primitive reactionary natures to prevail against the old, faulty paradigm. The fact that others don't, only serves to give us the edge,
provided we rise above mere emotional reaction.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 01, 2008, 12:39 PM NHFT
Interesting point... post a comment over there and see if Cupcake comes around or maybe the silent majority of the viewers that don't comment.
Point taken... will do :)
It is also important to understand that personal transformations do not happen overnight. The best we can do is consistently influence them in the right direction. The only way this can be done is to
always engage them in a peaceful, respectful manner.
If one does not have the restraint or long-term patience to do this, then the best response is none at all.
I agree buddy.
Some of the angry comments are from cops and their friends who feel they are getting put in bad situations (which they are) .... others are from people who are very conflicted.
After 23 years, police officer retires (http://www.cabinet.com/cabinet/cabinetnews/769865-308/after-23-years-police-officer-retires.html)
Apparently one of the high points of his career. ;D
Quote...was seen on YouTube after he stopped libertarian Lauren Canario on the road and Free-Staters videotaped her non-compliance.
I love this sentence!
"because the police station was located in Town Hall, George Durham remembers he often didn't have to go far to make his first arrest of the night."
Oh, give me a heart attack with a three-year-old headline, why don'tcha?!
Quote from: cathleeninnh on June 17, 2010, 02:07 PM NHFTI love this sentence!
"because the police station was located in Town Hall, George Durham remembers he often didn't have to go far to make his first arrest of the night."
Yeah, I was wondering what the author was actually trying to imply, with that. I sure know what
I thought when I read it...
Joe
i bet he never arrested any of the big time thieves in Milford
must be nice to retire at 45 .... hopefully his pension will run out soon and townsfolks can keep their money if they want to
Quote from: Russell Kanning on June 17, 2010, 05:00 PM NHFT
must be nice to retire at 45 .... hopefully his pension will run out soon and townsfolks can keep their money if they want to
Unless there's a collapse of the system (cross your fingers and hope) then I don't think their pensions ever run out. He could live to 150 and be getting almost as much as he made when he was "working".
Ways to become a youtube star:
1. Arrest Lauren Canario
2. Hassle Dave Ridley
(lots others)
Quote from: cathleeninnh on June 17, 2010, 02:07 PM NHFT
I love this sentence!
"because the police station was located in Town Hall, George Durham remembers he often didn't have to go far to make his first arrest of the night."
was usually a shitbag defecating/vomiting on the town common or a brawl (w/ 4-5 bars around the oval)
i kinda knew this guy & he was always a mello/decent cop..(as witnessed on the ''canario'' video (much to most/all your chagrin, he didn't club either one of them upside the head w/ a nightstick, so you could capture it on video.....try as you might)
& what you all conveniently glaze over:
''He was honored as a state hero after the Woodland Heights apartment building fire in the late 1990s ......................
But the most fun was being the town's first DARE officer and School Resource Officer.
"The schools were very open to the (SRO) program, and it was challenging," he said.
Officer Durham, aka "OD," as the kids called him, has been involved with the young people for most of his career, with yearly bike rodeos and fishing derbies, and he was also on the police bicycle patrol, motorcycle patrols and the dive rescue team.
Sometimes parents will come up to him and tell him, "You saved my son."
"That happens on a regular basis," he said. "But I didn't save him – it was the whole concept, the whole community – it's the village that raises a child."
http://www.cabinet.com/cabinet/cabinetnews/769865-308/after-23-years-police-officer-retires.html (http://www.cabinet.com/cabinet/cabinetnews/769865-308/after-23-years-police-officer-retires.html)
for my contribution......you're welcome
you can give him a medal for being a part time fascist. I know a lot of people that have saved kids from dying. I'm one of them. It doesn't excuse someone from harming others for the rest of eternity.
no legitimacy to harm others.
Still getting comments on these videos...
Lauren Canario and Civil Disobedience protest video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndEhn8EUdc#GU5U2spHI_4)
Quote
This is great, and I wish all the best to her. I wish we could all have the same courage of conviction she shows in this video.?
Man people comment pleasantly about Lauren .... and Dave and I get beatdown threats. bo ho woe is me
I think it's a conspiracy against awning shirt wearers. I wasn't supposed to tell you, but you really deserved to know. I imagine I'll be drummed out of the secret society now and become a charter member of the "can't keep a secret society".
There's a secret society?!
How come I wasn't invited?
Can I join?
I want to be in a secret society.
C'mon, let me join!
if I go horizontal stripes ... then I look like a convict
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 08, 2013, 12:48 PM NHFT
if I go horizontal stripes ... then I look like a convict
I'm sorry sir, but you are a convict. In fact we are considering you for a lead role in the next big screen event. We tried to get that Johnson guy, but he insisted the costuming be all piratey.
In the remake of Conair, you can play the Nicholas Cage part, but in this version, instead of hitting the bad guys you laugh at them and they fall to the ground clutching their exposed scruples. ...and you know how a good swift chuckle to the scruples can take down
even the fiercest bad guys. Look for the script in the mail.
Quote from: Free libertarian on December 08, 2013, 12:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 08, 2013, 12:48 PM NHFT
if I go horizontal stripes ... then I look like a convict
I'm sorry sir, but you are a convict. In fact we are considering you for a lead role in the next big screen event. We tried to get that Johnson guy, but he insisted the costuming be all piratey.
In the remake of Conair, you can play the Nicholas Cage part, but in this version, instead of hitting the bad guys you laugh at them and they fall to the ground clutching their exposed scruples. ...and you know how a good swift chuckle to the scruples can take down
even the fiercest bad guys. Look for the script in the mail.
Johnson will be Kannings stunt double... poor little Jimmy Johnson will have to get his arm ripped out of socket and beat with it for the Awning Shirt's sin of waving in front of Uncle Fester's face.
Sorry Jim... it's in the script.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on December 08, 2013, 01:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on December 08, 2013, 12:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 08, 2013, 12:48 PM NHFT
if I go horizontal stripes ... then I look like a convict
I'm sorry sir, but you are a convict. In fact we are considering you for a lead role in the next big screen event. We tried to get that Johnson guy, but he insisted the costuming be all piratey.
In the remake of Conair, you can play the Nicholas Cage part, but in this version, instead of hitting the bad guys you laugh at them and they fall to the ground clutching their exposed scruples. ...and you know how a good swift chuckle to the scruples can take down
even the fiercest bad guys. Look for the script in the mail.
Johnson will be Kannings stunt double... poor little Jimmy Johnson will have to get his arm ripped out of socket and beat with it for the Awning Shirt's sin of waving in front of Uncle Fester's face.
Sorry Jim... it's in the script.
At least the pay is good; everyone who works in the movies is a Bazzillionair.
you got it man
that is how it is goin down