1st. I'm already getting better.
2nd. I had some exposure at work which lead me to go see a doctor: seeing a doctor is something most guys my age don't always do.
3rd. I asked for a chest x-ray.
4th. Test showed signs of emphysema.
Etc.
5th. Standard tests were also done.
6th. Tests show high sugar and high cholesterol.
7th. Further test is diegnostic of diabetes.
8th. Doctor writes 2 perscriptions for #6th.
9th. I do not except the "doctor's orders."
Etc.
1st. I commit to reclaiming my health naturally.
2nd. I begin learning (and in some cases relearning) some of the things that we should all know about diet and health.
3rd. Etc. Well, I'm sure I already missed mentioning a few/many things here - and I sure don't want to get ALL preachy.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Maybe I'll tell the story in longer form some day, OR maybe not.
I have read a WHOLE LOT about natural health this year (more than ever in the past, and I had read some before) . . . I could tell about how and why . . . etc.
1st. If you do nothing else - LEARN to FORGIVE!
2nd. If you are not practiced at forgiving, please practice with & on the little things.
3rd. Forgive everything in the past - - - including yourself.
4th. Forgive EVERYTHING - as you would wish to be forgiven.
5th. Remember to practice forgiving ALL OF the LITTTLE THINGS!
I don't want to be too preachy, but the key to health is really very simple.
I have no religion, but there is SURELY a spirit within us all which is easy to call forward.
What does your forward "spirit" say to the world around you?
My "forward spirit" is calling home the health and peace around me.
My "spirit" is still stronger than before.
PLEASE never give up your "forward spirit to anything nagative!!"
John, sorry to hear all of that.
I surely don't know everything about health and fitness but I think I know more than most. If you want to try to turn things around, I'd be glad to answer any questions or offer direction.
Thanks for the tips at the bottom. I need to forgive myself more. I hold things against myself too often and it only affects my moods and damages progress.
No need to feel sorry for me. I'm OK!
(note: I changed my post before I saw your responce.)
Happy Thanksgiving John. ;D
Quote from: RangerProbst on November 22, 2007, 10:20 PM NHFTI need to forgive myself more. I hold things against myself too often and it only affects my moods and damages progress.
When you begin to
forgive others - remember to forgive the little things first - you will be amased at how fast other things will come clean. Health is the natural state.
Forgive others, and then you will find peace within yourself.
John- I've had diabetes for 15 years. Let me know if you want info on control through a low-carb diet.
(The mashed cauliflower today was pretty good.)
Quote from: toowm on November 22, 2007, 10:49 PM NHFT(The mashed cauliflower today was pretty good.)
Thanks.
I've had mashed cauliflower, so when you say "pretty good"
me-thinks you are holding back. 8)
I'm thinking the
actual whole grains I've been buying,cooking, and eating (as opposed to the "made with whole grains" stuff) is what I'll continue to look for.
John, I think if you're determined to get well via natural methods, you'll be able to do it :) :hug:
Quote from: John on November 22, 2007, 11:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: toowm on November 22, 2007, 10:49 PM NHFT(The mashed cauliflower today was pretty good.)
Thanks.
I've had mashed cauliflower, so when you say "pretty good" me-thinks you are holding back. 8)
I'm thinking the actual whole grains I've been buying,cooking, and eating (as opposed to the "made with whole grains" stuff) is what I'll continue to look for.
This may frighten you, but it's definitely worth doing if you want to clean your system out and start fresh. Everyone should hit it up every 5 years or so unless you are a hard-core vegan. I'm not saying that because I'm vegan either. I love my red meat.
http://www.drnatura.com/colonix_program.php
I'd do both the Colonix and Toxinout programs.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 23, 2007, 04:00 AM NHFT
John, I think if you're determined to get well via natural methods, you'll be able to do it :) :hug:
Wholly agree.
IME, there are always aspects of life we can be thankful for, even when faced with exceptional challenges. If nothing else, they can be a great catalyst for personal growth. I also feel holding a positive attitude towards our experiences makes an enormous difference in the quality of living.
Hope all improves for you. 8)
Wishing you well John... Been thinking about you lately, hope we get to see more of you. :)
He was up in our neck of the woods...last sunday I think. He was here, your weren't. ;D You were missed Tom.
Quote from: David on November 23, 2007, 11:15 PM NHFT
He was up in our neck of the woods...last sunday I think. He was here, your weren't. ;D You were missed Tom.
Yeah I got to see John at Porc Manor I was not able to make the larger get together.
Hey John, sometimes when we get sick it becomes a blessing in disguise. For many, it surely makes one put things into perspective and appreciate the things we used to ignore.
I battled cancer and according to docs I am supposed to be dead. (I refused their recommendations of pharm drugs, chemo, rads and butchery). Feel free to PM me. I have over 25 years experience in nutrition/alternative methods and I continue to slay the dragon.
btw I admire your thoughts regarding the spirit. Sickness almost always opens the doors to this kind of recognition. (and a sick spirit is often the cause of the illness).
As you know NA Indians are very big on the spirit world and its interconnections to life and living.
walking the Red Road,
Kola
Quote from: John on November 22, 2007, 10:07 PM NHFT1st. If you do nothing else - LEARN to FORGIVE!
2nd. If you are not practiced at forgiving, please practice with & on the little things.
3rd. Forgive everything in the past - - - including yourself.
4th. Forgive EVERYTHING - as you would wish to be forgiven.
5th. Remember to practice forgiving ALL OF the LITTTLE THINGS!
I'm not the forgiving type...
And I don't wish to be forgiven; I'd much rather just live my life in such a way as to avoid the need for forgiveness (ie, never cause unjust harm to others).
This is not a condemnation of your path. If it works for you, that's truly great. Just pointing out that there are many roads to the same place.
Joe
Forgiveness is more a benefit to yourself than the person you're forgiving. Carrying around grudges/anger is bad for your health.
Quote from: MaineShark on November 25, 2007, 03:10 PM NHFT
This is not a condemnation of your path. If it works for you, that's truly great. Just pointing out that there are many roads to the same place.
Joe
By the multitude of comments you have posted here ... and this most recent one, I would say that you are on a totally different path going in a different direction than the one John is headed down. The path leads to the destination.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 25, 2007, 04:17 PM NHFT
Forgiveness is more a benefit to yourself than the person you're forgiving. Carrying around grudges/anger is bad for your health.
Kat nails it.
Kola
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 25, 2007, 04:17 PM NHFTForgiveness is more a benefit to yourself than the person you're forgiving. Carrying around grudges/anger is bad for your health.
I'm the healthiest person I know. Literally. I broke my leg and didn't even notice it as more than a swollen area with a bit of an ache. Didn't even go home from work. After the swelling went down in a couple of days, I could feel the crushed area of the bone below, and had a doctor verify that it was actually broken.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 25, 2007, 05:33 PM NHFTBy the multitude of comments you have posted here ... and this most recent one, I would say that you are on a totally different path going in a different direction than the one John is headed down. The path leads to the destination.
Possibly. Of course, one person can head north, and another can head south, and both arrive at the same place, if they started from different points...
I happen to like the destination I'm headed to.
Joe
curious...where are ya goin Joe?
Kola
Quote from: kola on November 25, 2007, 06:45 PM NHFTcurious...where are ya goin Joe?
I should have said "destination
s," since life is a journey and I enjoy visiting the sights along the way.
Are you curious about next week, next month, next year, next decade, next century, or what?
Joe
Quote from: kola on November 25, 2007, 01:34 PM NHFT
Hey John, sometimes when we get sick it becomes a blessing in disguise. For many, it surely makes one put things into perspective and appreciate the things we used to ignore. ... btw I admire your thoughts regarding the spirit. Sickness almost always opens the doors to this kind of recognition. ...
Thanks!
Not that most here don't already know, but imagine
already being on a PEACEFUL path for many, many years, and then having what you've (for a long time) thought you've already learned confirmed.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 25, 2007, 04:17 PM NHFT
Forgiveness is more a benefit to yourself than the person you're forgiving. Carrying around grudges/anger is bad for your health.
What can one say about such brevity? 8)
Well I have been a=Patience my ass, I'M gonna kill something type,
but hanging around you guys, has mellowed me.
In all fairness to Joe he has, as far as I can tell (but I'm getting very tired), not said here that he caries any grudges and/or anger.
Pat K on the other hand??? Just kidding! ;D
Pat, I was already mellowing long before I ever got here, but all of you GOOD folks sure do help confirm that I found the right path.
I wasn't speaking about Maineshark, but forgiveness in general. I did think him jumping on you about the way you're choosing to live was pretty ratty.
Quote from: John on November 26, 2007, 12:04 AM NHFTIn all fairness to Joe he has, as far as I can tell (but I'm getting very tired), not said here that he caries any grudges and/or anger.
Oh, I have a lot of anger about the state of this world. I look at all the evil around me, and see not just "big evils," but the petty little things that 95% of the population does to each other - like little bits of thievery - and it's easy to get very angry. A few "big baddies" would be easy to conquer, but pervasive evil like that is not so simple.
It's very easy to see how someone (like Rob/powerchuter, for example) could wish for a button that would wipe those 95% off the map. I can easily sympathize with the desire to "wipe the slate clean" and start over.
But I can look around and see all the beautiful and noble things that folks do in the face of adversity. Someone gets lost in the woods, and dozens of folks form search parties to find him. He might be some punk who just shoplifted merchandise from the very merchant who is now searching for him. The merchant probably hasn't forgiven him for that, but the anger doesn't matter in that moment, because there is love for a fellow traveller in this world, which overwhelms it.
Cops who think nothing of abusing the public at every turn, can nevertheless run into a pair of collapsing skyscrapers and try to save their very victims, dying themselves in the process.
I have more than enough anger for this world to make me push that hypothetical button, but I have love for this world to stay my hand.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 26, 2007, 02:28 AM NHFTI wasn't speaking about Maineshark, but forgiveness in general. I did think him jumping on you about the way you're choosing to live was pretty ratty.
As I said to John: "This is not a condemnation of your path. If it works for you, that's truly great. Just pointing out that there are many roads to the same place."
Guess I'm just perturbed by fools who think that their path is the only one (not speaking of the folks on this particular thread, although I'm sure y'all can guess which thread I'm referring to). Can't recall who said it, but there are many paths to the top of the mountain, and the view is the same. Some choose their path by aiming straight at the goal, and doing their best to overcome all obstacles. Others weave a circuitous route, taking longer to get there, but avoiding the major obstacles and being surer of success. And others have never been to the top, but are more than happy to tell you how great the view is, while giving out bad directions to sabotage others, figuring that as long as no one gets there, their own failed quest doesn't matter. If I didn't pity the latter too much to feel more, I'd surely be quite angry with them.
I guess I shouldn't say that I'm not the forgiving type, either. I don't hand it out like candy, though. If someone wants my forgiveness, he needs to stop doing his particular brand of evil, make reparations to his victims, and take steps to live without doing more evil. Earning my forgiveness is a difficult process, but not an impossible one.
Joe
http://www.holybibleonline.net/john/bible_john_11.shtml
This is that evil book that says love thy brother and don't kill n stuff.
This is the point where Jesus knows his friend is sick, Jesus lets him die, Jesus wept. It bothered him. He was going to go and heal his friend but didn't because he had to use this sickness and death to proove a point.
My favorite part of this is when Lazzerouses friends and family were more concerned about the stench of death rather than their Brother being reanimated into life.
Some say Lazzerous is still alive and waiting for the return of Elvis... Err I mean CHrist. ;D
Your sickness might be the "proverbial" ' Wake up call" Now, who is calling? Your spirit or the holy spirit?
Quote from: grasshopper on December 05, 2007, 06:00 PM NHFTYour sickness might be the "proverbial" ' Wake up call" Now, who is calling? Your spirit or the holy spirit?
I don't have time to read the bible today but, I love the question(s).
Funny (maybe) story about the day I turned from atheism toward agnosticism (which, to me, just means being a bit more open mined on the subject): A chain of events, and experiences with some of the nicest folks I've ever met had been going on for quite some time; then one day a surprising - and particularly invigorating experience (cold water early in the morning) caused me to cry out -"Oh my God! Oh God. That is sooo good . . ." (I don't normally use the word God, even in those kinds of situations.)
With that, I said to myself that while I don't think there is a god, and that if there is I'm not looking for him; that maybe there is, and he is looking for me.
That said: I still think it is
my spirit. I believe we all have a spirit - which (if we act the right way & without even trying) can be quite holy. I have seen it in others. It has something to do with Peace & Love.
A sprit, great, at least you know the power is in the spirit. Your half way there!
His will be done, as well as ours as long as it is Gods will.
Shit, call it Elvis, easterbunny, just ask it to be the creator of the universe. Yeshuah.
Difference, one died on a cross, amd the other on the toilet. ;D