Poll
Question:
At what point does it become "political" to criticize the Drug War?
Option 1: It is "political" (and therefore, immoral) to support anti-prohibitionist candidates for office.
votes: 5
Option 2: It is "political" (and therefore, immoral) to publish articles in newspapers like the Union-Leader, because those newspapers are part of a media conspiracy to stifle freedom.
votes: 0
Option 3: It is political (and therefore, immoral) to question candidates for office about drug policy, because this activity tacitly acknowledges the authority of the office to which they aspire.
votes: 0
Option 4: It is "political" (and therefore, evil) to speak to your neighbors about drug policy, since discussing drug policy merely acknowledges its legitimacy.
votes: 0
Option 5: All of the above.
votes: 11
Option 6: The fact that this poll was even created reflects a certain persistent whininess that doesn't even merit my response
votes: 1
Okay, let's see if anybody gets the friggin' point this time...
Quote from: Rocketman on November 27, 2007, 04:43 PM NHFT
Okay, let's see if anybody gets the friggin' point this time...
Matt you're welcome to discuss the legislation about hemp or anything else on the www.NHLibertyCalendar.org/forum
In fact if you want a good choice of names, I suggest you sign up now. ;)
First I'd like to make about a dozen points on the way out... but I am glad this forum split is happening. We will be better off with separate forums, and the timing is perfect, over a month before state house action begins in force.
So anyway, thanks for being silly I guess. 8)
If you are leaving our forum .... see you later ... in person I guess.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 27, 2007, 05:28 PM NHFT
If you are leaving our forum .... see you later ... in person I guess.
I didn't say I was leaving the forum. I am often quite interested in "outside-the-system" activism (though I'm never sure what the hell that even means -- the marketplace of ideas is one big decentralized system, and I try to peddle my ideas wherever the markets are). Depending on the issue, sometimes I think civil disobedience can be the most effective option for achieving liberty -- especially when complemented by "political" action.
I am merely venting my frustration at what I perceive to be your disrespect for those of us who don't share your view on the immorality of participation. I can only suppose it is your goal to become marginalized as much as possible -- yeah, that'll help you convince the masses to stop supporting universal health care and criminal penalties for consensual "criminal" acts!
Quote from: Rocketman on November 27, 2007, 05:49 PM NHFT
I am merely venting my frustration at what I perceive to be your disrespect for those of us who don't share your view on the immorality of participation. I can only suppose it is your goal to become marginalized as much as possible -- yeah, that'll help you convince the masses to stop supporting universal health care and criminal penalties for consensual "criminal" acts!
I want to separate myself from those that are using different means .... on our forum here.
I don't feel even the slightest bit marginalized when I stand up for what I think is right. :)
All topics have the potential to be political; even more difficulty in differentiating results from not all people having the same opinion on what would constitute a "political" discussion.
As the owner of Ceilidh House so eloquently put it:
"We're ALL political animals!"
Hey Rocketman I would really enjoy you hang around and helping promote the issue I share with you.
I am not very interested in putting my efforts behind political candidates, all though I have done so before, but the single issue, nonpartisan, political activism I do help with.
To hear Jane encourage your participation in her forum is really something to hear. She is willing to let the cannabis folks rot... course I have a hard time forgetting that the elephants declared war on me and my friends. The elephants are the ones that need to work for forgiveness.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 27, 2007, 07:32 PM NHFT
Hey Rocketman I would really enjoy you hang around and helping promote the issue I share with you.
I am not very interested in putting my efforts behind political candidates, all though I have done so before, but the single issue, nonpartisan, political activism I do help with.
To hear Jane encourage your participation in her forum is really something to hear. She is willing to let the cannabis folks rot... course I have a hard time forgetting that the elephants declared war on me and my friends. The elephants are the ones that need to work for forgiveness.
1) It's not 'my' forum - everyone is welcome and no one will be 'smited' for saying they like or dislike a bill
2) I have never let the cannibis folks 'rot' (?)
3) Not sure why elephants have to work for forgiveness. They seem to score the highest on every list, including the NHLA, not that they are always right
4) My forum won't rate bills so we won't be telling you how to vote either
Quote from: lawofattraction on November 27, 2007, 08:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on November 27, 2007, 08:04 PM NHFT2) I have never let the cannibis folks 'rot' (?)
Really?
Quote from: CNHT on May 18, 2007, 09:42 PM NHFTI guess in a free country one has a right to be of the opinion that marijuana should not be legalized. I don't care one way or another since I don't ever expect I'd want to smoke it...so I don't really care about what he or anyone else thinks about that. I don't even know what Ron's position is on it...I certainly would not choose a candidate based on that.
Yah so what's your point?
It's not my main issue but then again it doesn't have to be. We have people and whole organizations (Matt) for that!
I can only do so much. So to expect me to take up that cause is rather unfair don't you think?
Quote from: GraniteForge on November 27, 2007, 05:31 PM NHFT
Obviously: As soon as you think about it, comrade.
Check out www.leap.cc for info on International efforts to expose the 19.7 Billion $ War on Drugs for the fraud that it is.
Quote from: armlaw on November 27, 2007, 08:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: GraniteForge on November 27, 2007, 05:31 PM NHFT
Obviously: As soon as you think about it, comrade.
Check out www.leap.cc for info on International efforts to expose the 19.7 Billion $ War on Drugs for the fraud that it is.
Dare I mention that a LEAP speaker will be at the 2008 Liberty Forum ;D
Quote from: lawofattraction on November 27, 2007, 08:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on November 27, 2007, 08:44 PM NHFTYah so what's your point?
That you are willing to let the cannabis folks rot.
QuoteIt's not my main issue but then again it doesn't have to be. We have people and whole organizations (Matt) for that!
I can only do so much. So to expect me to take up that cause is rather unfair don't you think?
I couldn't agree more. People should work on the issues that interest them.
I think Matt is doing a good job. If I were in office I'd vote to decrim, they know that. But I'm not going to beat people over the head with it.
MY job is to beat people over the head about taxes and land grabs. :-)
Quote from: Dreepa on November 27, 2007, 08:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: armlaw on November 27, 2007, 08:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: GraniteForge on November 27, 2007, 05:31 PM NHFT
Obviously: As soon as you think about it, comrade.
Check out www.leap.cc for info on International efforts to expose the 19.7 Billion $ War on Drugs for the fraud that it is.
Dare I mention that a LEAP speaker will be at the 2008 Liberty Forum ;D
Wow, better watch yourself! Someone who doesn't like that might decide to smite you! Or ban the discussion!
Quote from: CNHT on November 27, 2007, 09:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: Dreepa on November 27, 2007, 08:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: armlaw on November 27, 2007, 08:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: GraniteForge on November 27, 2007, 05:31 PM NHFT
Obviously: As soon as you think about it, comrade.
Check out www.leap.cc for info on International efforts to expose the 19.7 Billion $ War on Drugs for the fraud that it is.
Dare I mention that a LEAP speaker will be at the 2008 Liberty Forum ;D
Wow, better watch yourself! Someone who doesn't like that might decide to smite you! Or ban the discussion!
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
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The liberty movement needs to be DECENTRALIZED. Congratulations Jane.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder. For everyones basic sanity, it is good to occasionally stop debating and to be around those who believe what you believe. I believe that the movement gets stronger, even as it occasionally fragments, so long as the fragment is done with respect.
Quote from: David on November 27, 2007, 10:27 PM NHFT
:clap: :clap: :clap:
The liberty movement needs to be DECENTRALIZED. Congratulations Jane.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder. For everyones basic sanity, it is good to occasionally stop debating and to be around those who believe what you believe. I believe that the movement gets stronger, even as it occasionally fragments, so long as the fragment is done with respect.
Um I'm not sure if you are praising me or mocking me. I just see something needs doing and I do it, not talk about it. The others for some reason are still arguing about it in email. Seth did not like the section for presidential primaries. That's a big part of NH political doings. So I would assume if you go to the board specifically for that, you'd want to see someplace where you could talk about the primaries! No?
My complaint is, if you have to wait 48 hours to set up a forum, if it's going to be a problem like it was the last time when NHLA had a mailing list/forum, if I just did what was needed faster than anyone because I was going to do it anyway, why is Seth being an in grateful
snit? Then again, if they can give poor Dreepa shit for all he does, it just goes to show ya.
And I meant it when I said Matt is doing a good job. I have too much else on my plate, and everyone has to take a part of the load. I'm doing more than my fair share.
Seems to me people spend more time pointing out what's wrong or what someone DIDN'T do (Sawyer saying I let something 'rot'?) or naysaying some other negative thing...no wonder Natalie blew up the other day about her newspaper. Now I know just how she feels.
I am very serious. I knew it would happen, that the forum would split, just didn't think so soon. Decentralization is important. You helped do it. On the other tread, Seth was writing about another in the works, that is good to.
I'm not political, but i am not hostile either. :)
Quote from: David on November 27, 2007, 11:22 PM NHFT
I am very serious. I knew it would happen, that the forum would split, just didn't think so soon. Decentralization is important. You helped do it. On the other tread, Seth was writing about another in the works, that is good to.
I'm not political, but i am not hostile either. :)
Well as I said, it was threatened before so I had it installed. So, I just took the bull by the horns. I didn't whine to R and K and say 'but why?' But then it was never done.
After all, did you really think I could get a forum like that one up and running and tweaked like it is in 10 minutes?
When the email came around from Seth, Dennis, Tammy, Dawn, Jim and Chris, I simply informed them all that I had a forum we could use, was open to suggestions for sections, and they were welcome to start using it. And the result was Seth had a temper tantrum/hissy fit and smited me. Apparently others thought it was WRONG to make known the needed forum because they smited me too. I guess if you're a masochist and want to be flogged for something, you come here? ;)
I think if it weren't so sad it would be funny. 48 hours? We'll see. Last time it was 48 months and never happened.
To be honest with you, they HAD two other forums and they were shut down because ONE PERSON complained. No one is going to shut down mine...you can be sure of that, for one complaint by one person.
Quote from: CNHT on November 27, 2007, 08:44 PM NHFT
Quote from: lawofattraction on November 27, 2007, 08:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on November 27, 2007, 08:04 PM NHFT2) I have never let the cannibis folks 'rot' (?)
Really?
Quote from: CNHT on May 18, 2007, 09:42 PM NHFTI don't care one way or another since I don't ever expect I'd want to smoke it...so I don't really care about what he or anyone else thinks about that.
Perhaps this is due to a misunderstanding of the intent of your written words.
Your words seem to imply that since it is not one of your chosen topics to tackle, that you simply don't care if it is others. It's not something that effects you, so you don't care if it jeopardized.
Not taking sides; just trying to point out a point of possible confusion/divergence. ;)
IMO, any loss of freedom effects us all; and each bit of erosion, no matter what sector it derives from, only serves to lessen all of our liberties.
Well I think most people know (maybe not you) how stretched out I am working for about 50 organizations...and I'm not 25 years old either.
And I also said I know Matt is doing a great job with his outreach, work on legislation, and a website.. They are really all set and don't need help from me do they?
Also, it's rather a turn off when you take the intiative to do things and then you are trashed for not playing nice with people.
In another thread, where Seth brings up the fact I made the Liberty Calendar, I pointed out that this did not stop him from going ahead with his own idea, when he was ready, but he never did. What's up with that? Trashed for having provided a service my group needed and others have been using?
So you see you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Not a good way to treat people who take the intiative to get things done...
Quote from: CNHT on November 28, 2007, 08:17 AM NHFT
So you see you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Oh yeah, I can commiserate with that, 100%. 8) Want something done right, do it yourself.
Stay true to yourself. There will always be haters/naysayers, so IMO, were all better off doing what we feel we need to, regardless of others comments/opinions.
Quote from: EJinNH on November 28, 2007, 07:49 AM NHFTYour words seem to imply that since it is not one of your chosen topics to tackle, that you simply don't care if it is others.
Not caring can be a good thing... Friends Don't Care (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2181) ;D
Joe
Quote from: EJinNH on November 28, 2007, 08:31 AM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on November 28, 2007, 08:17 AM NHFT
So you see you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Oh yeah, I can commiserate with that, 100%. 8) Want something done right, do it yourself.
Stay true to yourself. There will always be haters/naysayers, so IMO, were all better off doing what we feel we need to, regardless of others comments/opinions.
Yeah and I repeat, no one was stopping anyone from producing their vision of what was needed, even if I used mine while I waited, and waited and waited!
It was not that I don't 'play nice'....good grief. So many control freaks!
Quote from: MaineShark on November 28, 2007, 08:45 AM NHFT
Quote from: EJinNH on November 28, 2007, 07:49 AM NHFTYour words seem to imply that since it is not one of your chosen topics to tackle, that you simply don't care if it is others.
Not caring can be a good thing... Friends Don't Care (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2181) ;D
Joe
;D 8)
Quote from: CNHT on November 28, 2007, 08:17 AM NHFT
In another thread, where Seth brings up the fact I made the Liberty Calendar, I pointed out that this did not stop him from going ahead with his own idea, when he was ready, but he never did.
Bullshit, you claimed you waited a year before you did it. And I said that after suggesting improvements, I stopped bothering, and wasn't willing to compete since I had other projects to work on besides just competing with you because your calendar sucked IMHO.
is this the way you would be willing to talk to Jane in person? Would you like to be spoken to to this way?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 28, 2007, 07:41 PM NHFT
is this the way you would be willing to talk to Jane in person? Would you like to be spoken to to this way?
If she made boldfaced lies in front of me, yes, I'll call her bullshit in person.
And if I made stuff up and lied, I'd fully expect people to call me on it too. Except I wouldn't.
aha
Quote from: SethCohn on November 28, 2007, 07:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on November 28, 2007, 08:17 AM NHFT
In another thread, where Seth brings up the fact I made the Liberty Calendar, I pointed out that this did not stop him from going ahead with his own idea, when he was ready, but he never did.
Bullshit, you claimed you waited a year before you did it. And I said that after suggesting improvements, I stopped bothering, and wasn't willing to compete since I had other projects to work on besides just competing with you because your calendar sucked IMHO.
Seth -- this is my point. You are very good at telling people what sucks (and still are) and what is wrong with this or that. But there were no solutions offered so what 'sucked' for you, has been working fine for me and for those who chose to use it.
I still don't see the crime here.....and it wasn't a competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I needed something and I did it.
You were free to do your own thing.
I was being encouraged by others who were happy with what I did.