It just dawned on me for the first time that Obama might actually beat Hillary. I assumed all along that she would pull out the nomination, but its starting to look like she might not pull it out after all. Now, Obama stands in the way of a Clinton and power. Will the Clintons Vince Foster him?
If elected, Obama will follow the same orders that GW is following.
Kola
maybe someone send obama tin foil hat too? :icon_pirat:
Quote from: Scowlin' Sara Jones on February 20, 2008, 11:56 PM NHFT
maybe someone send obama tin foil hat too? :icon_pirat:
pube hair and tinfoil may cause short circuitry.
that was low, and me can be low, cause I be a pirate, but, me NO go that LOW.
No, he's in the 'in' crowd.
Clinton, McCain, and Obama are all CFR lackeys.
Quote from: Caleb on February 20, 2008, 10:15 PM NHFT
It just dawned on me for the first time that Obama might actually beat Hillary. I assumed all along that she would pull out the nomination, but its starting to look like she might not pull it out after all. Now, Obama stands in the way of a Clinton and power. Will the Clintons Vince Foster him?
It would make things more interesting than they are now
I almost want to see a stacked federal government for awhile longer, with one party running all three branches of government. Now wait, hear me out.
We all know how to boil a frog, right? If you just toss the frog in a pot of hot water, it is said that the frog will just jump out. But if you raise the heat slowly, the frog doesn't notice and will just die slowly but completely content. That's how the saying goes, anyway; I have my doubts about the reality of it. But I digress. What would happen if you raised the temperature on that frog quickly, enough to incite the frog to panic, perhaps?
Americans are being lulled slowly into an authoritarian state. Not enough people really care to do something meaningful to reverse our course. But what if that future state got here sooner, so much sooner that everyone could see it coming and what it was doing to their lives?
We almost had this with Bush. But then the Democrats got control of both houses of Congress. They haven't really done any better in terms of fixing things, but they slowed our rate of descent into perdition at least a little bit. The Bush/Cheney/Addington team has done more to wake up sleeping Americans than any administration before it.
ha ha ha - they're one and the same. all CFR members.
they all have the same agenda - it doesn't matter if its hilary, obama, or even mccain - its the same shit in a different wrapper.
...might as well just vote bush in for a third term!
Quote from: Caleb on February 20, 2008, 10:15 PM NHFT
It just dawned on me for the first time that Obama might actually beat Hillary. I assumed all along that she would pull out the nomination, but its starting to look like she might not pull it out after all. Now, Obama stands in the way of a Clinton and power. Will the Clintons Vince Foster him?
Don't let the current momentum fool you. Clinton will get the ticket in the end. The Democratic party holds back 40% of the delegates as super delegates don't forget and currently Hillary has support of the supers in a 2 to 1 ratio over Obama.
What will be interesting is watching the reaction to the registered democrats when they find out their votes don't matter and their party will do whatever the heck it wants in spite of them.
Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on February 21, 2008, 12:13 PM NHFT
ha ha ha - they're one and the same. all CFR members.
they all have the same agenda - it doesn't matter if its hilary, obama, or even mccain - its the same shit in a different wrapper.
...might as well just vote bush in for a third term!
i agree.
kola
Obama is Dick Cheneys cousine 6 times removed on Moms side.
I believe Romney got out because he was threatened.
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Just a couple of observations:
1) If the Secret Service wasn't aware of this forum before, because of this thread, they are now.
2) RevRyan: Karma ding for obnoxiously huge signature.
I take my orders from the aliens.
You know what they say Rev...
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c211/ivi-is-emo/backgrounds/thignor.jpg)
You seem a bigger fool than the one you're implying us to be.
Why not prove that we're being silly paranoid tin foil hat-ers? Go ahead, get some facts and shoot us down - show us how wrong we are! Maybe you'll educate yourself in the meantime - replace some of tht ignorance with awareness...
The information is out there. You can get it from their own mouths and publications.
You'd do yourself some good to research the topic.
I think you'd be surprised.
I love when people take shit too seriously.
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 21, 2008, 02:37 PM NHFT
Just a couple of observations:
1) If the Secret Service wasn't aware of this forum before, because of this thread, they are now.
2) RevRyan: Karma ding for obnoxiously huge signature.
If they haven't been aware of us before this, we're not doing our job!
And I love it when people can discuss and debate instead of demonizing and undermining what people say by trying to make them look like village idiots.
I wasn't that broken up about it - it just gets tiresome.
wait, there is more than one village idiot? and here I was thinking that I was the only one!
Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on February 21, 2008, 04:36 PM NHFT
And I love it when people can discuss and debate instead of demonizing and undermining what people say by trying to make them look like village idiots.
I wasn't that broken up about it - it just gets tiresome.
For one to have the intelligence to gather info, process it and self-think, this has become a rarity in this day and age.
For those in denial or chosen ignorance, it is much easier (for them) to throw a punch or make a mockery.
I find the latter folks amusing...and waste little time on them.
Kola
Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on February 21, 2008, 04:22 PM NHFT
You know what they say Rev...
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c211/ivi-is-emo/backgrounds/thignor.jpg)
You seem a bigger fool than the one you're implying us to be.
Why not prove that we're being silly paranoid tin foil hat-ers? Go ahead, get some facts and shoot us down - show us how wrong we are! Maybe you'll educate yourself in the meantime - replace some of tht ignorance with awareness...
The information is out there. You can get it from their own mouths and publications.
You'd do yourself some good to research the topic.
I think you'd be surprised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
If you're not listening, you're not learning.
Quote from: lildog on February 21, 2008, 01:02 PM NHFT
Quote from: Caleb on February 20, 2008, 10:15 PM NHFT
It just dawned on me for the first time that Obama might actually beat Hillary. I assumed all along that she would pull out the nomination, but its starting to look like she might not pull it out after all. Now, Obama stands in the way of a Clinton and power. Will the Clintons Vince Foster him?
Don't let the current momentum fool you. Clinton will get the ticket in the end. The Democratic party holds back 40% of the delegates as super delegates don't forget and currently Hillary has support of the supers in a 2 to 1 ratio over Obama.
What will be interesting is watching the reaction to the registered democrats when they find out their votes don't matter and their party will do whatever the heck it wants in spite of them.
Supposedly this is where the Clinton's are pulling out the trump card. Michigan and Florida are being denied any delegates. Everyone remembers the 2000 fiasco... in fact some are still claimind Gore as President. Having their votes not even matter in a primary will make the voters even more angry.
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 21, 2008, 02:37 PM NHFT
Just a couple of observations:
1) If the Secret Service wasn't aware of this forum before, because of this thread, they are now.
2) RevRyan: Karma ding for obnoxiously huge signature.
some of us have already been arrested by manchester cops under ss direction .... they already know we are insurgents
Quote from: grasshopper on February 21, 2008, 01:26 PM NHFT
Obama is Dick Cheneys cousine 6 times removed on Moms side.
I believe Romney got out because he was threatened.
Dude, please! Al Gore is my 4th cousin (no, really). That must make me part of the conspiracy, too. Must be true; I read it on the Global-Wide-Inter-Web.
Quote from: ReverendRyan on February 21, 2008, 08:25 PM NHFT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
If you're not listening, you're not learning.
...and if you're not enraged, then you're not aware.
ok fair enough - i've already done this before - but here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Foreign_Relations#Membership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Foreign_Relations#Membership)
now seriously, tell me what business most of these people, specifically the corporations, have determining our foreign policy?
you can compare that list to the one they have on their own website: http://www.cfr.org/about/people/ (http://www.cfr.org/about/people/)
or here: http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/cfr_stacks_deck_with_dem_gop_presidential_candidates.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/cfr_stacks_deck_with_dem_gop_presidential_candidates.htm) or here: http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/CFRMembers.html (http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/CFRMembers.html)
what is the purpose of the CFR? I like how this site puts it: "Let's start with the smoke and mirrors furnished by the CFR in several of their Annual Reports. Then we will provide the other-side-of-the-coin, as observed by quite a number of independent researchers, and writers.
The CFR's Annual Report for July 1, 1993-June 30, 1994, page 4, states:
"The Council on Foreign Relations is a nonprofit, and nonpartisan membership organization dedicated to improving the understanding of US foreign policy, and international affairs through the exchange of ideas.
The Council was founded in 1921 shortly after the end of World War I. Several of the American participants in the Paris Peace Conference decided that it was time for more private American citizens to become familiar with the increasing international responsibilities, and obligations of the United States. This decision led to the creation of an organization dedicated to the continuous study of US foreign policy for the benefit of both its members, and a wider audience of interested Americans."
Now, the other side of the coin...." You can read on here: http://www.4rie.com/rie%204.html (http://www.4rie.com/rie%204.html)
Sounds pretty benign huh? also from that site:
"They hold regular secret meetings including members, and very select guests. Occasionally they will hold a public meeting, and invite the open press (including C-SPAN), in order to give the impression that they are a harmless group engaged only in social activities.
A number of people, when hearing about the CFR ask, "If you say that the CFR is such a secret organization, why is it that we can get a copy of their annual report, which contains a list of their members? Why should I believe you when you say that they are a secret organization?"
Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, states that the definition of attribute is "To ascribe by way of cause, inherent quality, interpretation, authorship, or classification..." The literal translation is "You had better not tell the outsiders what we do, or say".
The answer then comes from their own document, the Council on Foreign Relation's 1992 Annual Report, where they emphatically state, in 20 different places, and in varying terms, that members better not tell:"it goes on to cite the 20 excerpts from the annual report.
Here lets let the members speak for themselves:
"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." - Paul Warburg, Coucil on Foreign Relations and architect of the Federal Reserve System. In address to the US Senate 2/17/1950
"To defend the New World Order US soldiers will have to kill and die." - Arthur Schlesinger, Council on Foreign Relations Journal
"powers of financial capitals have a far reaching aim. nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole"
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), President mentor to Bill Clinton, quote from "Tragedy and Hope", 1966
""in the next century nations as we know them will be obsolete. all states will recognize a single global authority" -Strobe Talbot, Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine July 20, 1992
"At the end of the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization of this system had to be greatly extended... the tasks was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group. This front organization called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris."
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton, quote from "Tragedy and Hope", 1966
"Today Americans would be outraged if U. N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger, member if CFR, at 5/21/92 Bilderberg Conference in Evian, France
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
-David Rockefeller (CFR member), founder of the sister organization - Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.
"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England... (and) ...believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established." - Carroll Quigley
"Once the ruling members of the CFR shadow government have decided that the U.S. Government should adopt a particular policy, the very substantial research facilities of (the) CFR are put to work to develop arguments, intellectual and emotional, to support the new policy, and to confound and discredit, intellectually and politically, any opposition." - Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy
"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault."
-CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.
Here are some other sites I would reccomend:
http://presidentialcandidates.wetpaint.com/?t=anon (http://presidentialcandidates.wetpaint.com/?t=anon)
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm)
enjoy!
TLDNR
I forgot one of my favorites!
"military men are just dumb stupid animals, to be used as pawns in foreign policy"
-Henry Kissinger
You're speaking to the wrong crowd here, Bane.
99% of the follks here are "locked in".
I am actually startled to see a few actually believe about REAL ID.
Save you time and energy for people who are interested and open to it.
Kola
I think there are more people here who agree with you on some things than you think. But there is only so much time in a day to worry about things that I cannot change. ;)
On the Obama thing, I wasn't suggesting that he is some bastion of freedom, or that he is an "outsider" in any real way. Only that he seems to be standing in the way -- standing between a Clinton and Power is a dangerous place to be. The CFR may be quite content for Obama to be President. But I don't think Hillary is, and people who get on her bad side have a way of ending up dead.
In a related story, it was discovered that the Secret Service stopped checking people for weapons at an Obama rally in Dallas, an hour before he arrived ... If I were Obama, I would hire my own private security (with all that money he has, he can afford it.) Because Hillary is just power mad enough to want to do him in.
Quote from: kola on February 22, 2008, 09:00 PM NHFT
You're speaking to the wrong crowd here, Bane.
99% of the follks here are "locked in".
I am actually startled to see a few actually believe about REAL ID.
Save you time and energy for people who are interested and open to it.
Translation:
Not all of us believe in bat-shit crazy conspiracy theories. Therefore, you should do more research.
Has Bill or Hill ever lost an election?
she might be mad
Bill lost his first and only run for congress and I believe the run for Ark. AG.
Have people gotten bored and lifted the ban on political discussion?
to my mind .... discussing if the thugs are going to kill someone is far removed from discussing politics as if it is the solution to tyranny
Fair enough.
So bashing politics is okay? I'll drink to that.
Quote from: Puke on February 23, 2008, 09:36 AM NHFT
So bashing politics is okay? I'll drink to that.
Oh Hells yeah.
Dale survived his swim!
Quote from: freedominnh on February 23, 2008, 06:30 AM NHFT
Bill lost his first and only run for congress and I believe the run for Ark. AG.
Have people gotten bored and lifted the ban on political discussion?
He lost the race for congress in '74, was elected AG (unopposed) in '76, and elected governor in '78. He lost as governor in '80, but won it back in '82.
Hillary has won the only two races she ever entered (senator from NY, and re-election).
Russell is the one who asked; I think he's fascinated with politics. ;)
Quote from: kola on February 22, 2008, 09:00 PM NHFT
Save you time and energy for people who are interested and open to it.
Kola
I think we're running out of time for that.
Interested or not, its good to get the information out for people to do with what they will.
People educating themselves and awareness about these things is the only way to stop them from going forward.
Thanks KB. I vauguely that was the case but did not verify. In 1991 he could run down Elm Street in Manchester by himself and no one knew who he was. Clintons are cratchedy old carpet baggers.
Cult of personality and vanity! Someone will do something crazy to shake things up...get yer popcorn ready!
Quote from: watershed on February 26, 2008, 11:22 AM NHFT
Cult of personality and vanity! Someone will do something crazy to shake things up...get yer popcorn ready!
No popcorn for me. I will not be an "observer" to a dictatorship takeover.
Actung!!
Kola
Chaos around the rest of the country will enable the rest of us to sneak out the back door.
Quote from: Puke on February 23, 2008, 06:10 AM NHFT
Translation:
Not all of us believe in bat-shit crazy conspiracy theories. Therefore, you should do more research.
You know what I think is bat-shit crazy? Being told, from the horses mouth, exactly what their agenda is, but
insisting on fulfilling the book 1984 - shoving it down the memory hole and treating it like some silly made up idea. Don't you remember Bush sr. going on and on about "the new world order"... like he did in the state of the union address of 1991?
It doesn't seem very rational to call these matters "crazy conspiracy theories" when the people who wish to implement their ideals have been quite vocal about their intentions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo)
It will take up less than two minutes of your time - the last comment made by Gary Hart while adressing the CFR is especially fascinating.
Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on February 26, 2008, 01:47 PM NHFT
Don't you remember Bush sr. going on and on about "the new world order"... like he did in the state of the union address of 1991?
Nope. I was 9 years old.
I already know politicians are evil.
Quote from: Puke on February 26, 2008, 02:32 PM NHFT
Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on February 26, 2008, 01:47 PM NHFT
Don't you remember Bush sr. going on and on about "the new world order"... like he did in the state of the union address of 1991?
Nope. I was 9 years old.
I'm sure you can find the speech on Youtube.
While you're there, look for videos of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico (most recent former president before their current president) who talks pretty openly about world government, north american union, highways crossing the continent, continental currency, etc.
Quote from: Puke on February 26, 2008, 05:27 PM NHFT
I already know politicians are evil.
Thats a given - but not the point.
Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on February 27, 2008, 09:55 AM NHFT
Quote from: Puke on February 26, 2008, 05:27 PM NHFT
I already know politicians are evil.
Thats a given - but not the point.
I guess Puke thinks there is a grand conspiracy between all the evil politicians. :)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 27, 2008, 10:29 AM NHFT
I guess Puke thinks there is a grand conspiracy between all the evil politicians. :)
Cuthulu did it!
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 27, 2008, 08:07 AM NHFT
I'm sure you can find the speech on Youtube.
While you're there, look for videos of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico (most recent former president before their current president) who talks pretty openly about world government, north american union, highways crossing the continent, continental currency, etc.
I prefer OK Go, The Evolution of Dance, and the Dramatic Prairie Dog.
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I like OK Go too, Puke.
Puke knows of what he speaks.
The Fucker. ;D
+ 1 karma for Puke
:icon_pirat:
Does the infrastructure of a NWO incline anyone of you to become Nationalist Defenders or Isolationist?
I like to isolate myself from the new world order. :)