I happened to be on a modified fast (fresh juice only) when Russell was arrested. I hadn't decided how long I was going to do it for. A bunch of people are doing this for 92 days together. I decided I would do the 92 days in hopes of Russell's release. I'm on day 9 of the fast now.
Make sure it gets some coverage. Get Ian or Dave to make a YouTube about it perhaps.
Kat, Vary your juices (fruits... and then some greens are great with a bit of apple but carrot/apple is the king) and get some Vit B-12 tablets at a health store or order online.
Be ready to lose weight and good luck! :)
remember once you go off the fast to go back gradually with easy to digest soothing foods, mashed apples, other fresh fruits and cooked oatmeal).
Kola
Why is the Russell Arrested topic locked?
Most all of my juices have greens in them - wheatgrass, kale, spinach, alfafa sprouts.... If you mix them with something sweet like carrot or apple, they taste pretty good. I like wheatgrass-grapefruit, spinach-apple-pear, carrot-celery-red pepper. Turnip is surprising good juiced, as is sweet potato. Potatoes are kinda weird juiced. Beets are pretty intense.
I've fasted on just water quite a bit in the past...I always break the fast gently.
Quote from: coffeeseven on March 19, 2008, 08:55 PM NHFT
Why is the Russell Arrested topic locked?
Some of the PMs I was getting were so crazy angry at Russell's Ex, that I thought I should give it a break, if only for her protection. I don't want any of the gun slingers to get so crazy that they track her down and do something to her.
Kat, I find it very interesting that you have locked the posts... so will others. Didn't you earlier speak of not keeping things hidden?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 19, 2008, 08:55 PM NHFT
Most all of my juices have greens in them - wheatgrass, kale, spinach, alfafa sprouts.... If you mix them with something sweet like carrot or apple, they taste pretty good. I like wheatgrass-grapefruit, spinach-apple-pear, carrot-celery-red pepper. Turnip is surprising good juiced, as is sweet potato. Potatoes are kinda weird juiced. Beets are pretty intense.
I've fasted on just water quite a bit in the past...I always break the fast gently.
k .....sounds you know what yur doing. just don't ever try juicing garlic or onions!
<---not a crazy gunslinger
Kola
Keep posting then.
mindy, hello. welcome to the forum.
kat is sweet. she's also devastated right now. whatever you think about russell, there are people here who don't have anything to do with your situation that are hurting badly right now.
i appreciate you want to say your piece. but it honestly isn't going to matter. i consider russell a good friend. believe me, he doesn't go around badmouthing you. few people are privy to any details of your marriage other than the overview that you used to be married, you adopted two kids and had one together, and then divorced. some people don't even know that much, or didn't until all this broke out.
if it weren't for the whole situation with russell and what not, i'm sure that you would like kat very much as a person. can we back off this for awhile?
Quote from: RussellsEx on March 19, 2008, 09:03 PM NHFT
Kat, I find it very interesting that you have locked the posts... so will others. Didn't you earlier speak of not keeping things hidden?
And what happened to the whole "Shame on you" thread? The stench of whitewash and revision is noticeable.
Kat, I truly am sorry for your loss...and your daughter. Having never met either of you, I am sure I've been painted badly. However, I was called today by someone in your circle there, asking me for an interview, as Russell had been arrested. It was only after I looked for info on the web that I discovered the reason why. It does anger me though to see that so many people view him as innocent. Do you yourself feel that he had no responsibility to the kids? Despite whatever the marriage may or may not have been?
is there any chance of you dropping this? please. :)
I put garlic in the juice once in a while. Haven't tried onions.
i love garlic ... but juicing it. :puke:
Quote from: malcolm on March 19, 2008, 09:12 PM NHFT
Quote from: RussellsEx on March 19, 2008, 09:03 PM NHFT
Kat, I find it very interesting that you have locked the posts... so will others. Didn't you earlier speak of not keeping things hidden?
And what happened to the whole "Shame on you" thread? The stench of whitewash and revision is noticeable.
On the request of the spouse that was cheated on, it was locked by Kat.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 19, 2008, 09:13 PM NHFT
I put garlic in the juice once in a while. Haven't tried onions.
Onions don't work. They put a stank in whatever juice they hit. Been there done that.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 19, 2008, 09:13 PM NHFT
I put garlic in the juice once in a while. Haven't tried onions.
u r braver than I. I tried both (onion and garlic) just a bit of it (juiced) and my body would not let it pass into my esophagus. My eyes bugged out and watered and I started wretching. LOL
Now I chop it up very very fine and swallow it with water.
Kate asked me to delete the thread. I locked it while she thought it over a little, then deleted when she decided.
Dr. Shultze has you do a whole cleanse where you can increasing numbers of cloves of garlic in your juice. It gets pretty gross.
I'd rather just swallow the cloves whole than juice them.
Quote from: kola on March 19, 2008, 09:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 19, 2008, 09:13 PM NHFT
I put garlic in the juice once in a while. Haven't tried onions.
u r braver than I. I tried both (onion and garlic) just a bit of it (juiced) and my body would not let it pass into my esophagus. My eyes bugged out and watered and I started wretching. LOL
Now I chop it up very very fine and swallow it with water.
Kola (and Kat after fast) try a small cube of Cheddar cheese with a thin slice of garlic and the same size Baby Swiss with a piece of bacon. Better than Rumaki.
Supposedly crushing the garlic cloves releases the good stuff in them.
Quote from: RussellsEx on March 19, 2008, 09:12 PM NHFT
Kat, I truly am sorry for your loss...and your daughter. Having never met either of you, I am sure I've been painted badly. However, I was called today by someone in your circle there, asking me for an interview, as Russell had been arrested. It was only after I looked for info on the web that I discovered the reason why. It does anger me though to see that so many people view him as innocent. Do you yourself feel that he had no responsibility to the kids? Despite whatever the marriage may or may not have been?
I don't view him as guilty or innocent. I hope he does not have a guilty past, but if he does, he does. It doesn't make what he stands for now any less important, it does however mean there are unresolved problems. All of us really want the same thing, for families to be whole and issues resolved. Russell being in jail is not taking anyone closer to that. The sooner we decide to all find the truth and work toward a solution, the sooner everyone will be free.
Kat, I believe you when you say that Russell has changed. But does it negate his prior responsibilities?
What if it were your daughter?
I've heard that crushing the cloves is necessary to make the allicin. i just don't think i could stomach a nice garlic shake myself. I'll stick to raspberry myself. 8)
I just don't understand how YOU all are the victims here....
I don't know if he's completely innocent. I just know jail isn't an appropriate response. I had a bum dad, but the thought of putting him in jail never crossed any of our minds. I don't know if he did the things you say but regardless he's not a threat to any of you now. Is getting revenge going to make the kids better off? I hope you'll reconsider this rather drastic action.
Quote from: RussellsExI just don't understand how YOU all are the victims here....
I do not consider myself a victim. I do consider Kat and her daughter, and Russell even more so, to be victims of the state. I'm not sure you recognize that Russell is, as we speak,
sitting in a jail cell. I don't know whether you have seen the video of his arrest (video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJewbcY4S_w&fmt=18)); his behavior does not betray any violent tendencies. Quite the contrary.
I did not request for Russell to be put in jail. That did not come from me. He has known of impending and worsening consequences....Kat and her daughter may be victims...but only because of their loss of husband and father....my children lost their father, and any real support that THEY were deserved, long before he met her on the internet.
And yes, I do understand that he is in a jail cell. And despite the distance...my children grieve too. We are all saddened by this....
that it does sound good, coffeeseven as I love cheese and bacon.
Kat yeah old Schultze loves garlic and he oftens says he tried to kill people with large amounts. As much as they moaned and puckered he only saw them get better. I met him years ago in cali at a chiro seminar. He walks his talk. I have done his cleansing programs for the last 12 years or so.
Smashing garlic and letting it sit 10-15 minutes does spark enzymes to fire up the allicin.
Cold flu infection warts bee sting etc..garlic. it is antifungal; antibacterial antiviral, lowers BP and cholesterol, thins blood, heals wounds..u name it/
Kola
I am a child of a very bitter divorce.
My families involvement with the courts and the "law" was the worst part of it. It never made anything any better.
The muscle of the "law" is a bunt instrument, right now it has a man in a small, noisy cage, no sunlight, and endless boredom...
Having proxies do the dirty work doesn't make it any more moral.
There is no way to "right" what you feel happened to you. You will not get any peace or completion until you let it go.
wrote this just as the other thread was being locked...
Quote from: RussellsEx on March 19, 2008, 06:19 PM NHFT
And whether he attempts to settle out of court, or stay in jail, he
does have choices, even still...
Yes, exactly. Russell has to take the responsibility of his half of
the situation he is in. He made choices, and the consequences of
those choices are at hand. That doesn't make his choices good or bad,
wrong or right, best or worst, but merely they are what they are.
[And the same goes for many others in our circle... no names needed...]
At the risk of seeming like I'm not empathic to Russell (and Kat,
etc), some of the description (not all, but some) that his Ex has
given, certainly fits the Russell we know. I can certainly imagine
his not paying the mortgage and laughing about it and having a fire in
his living room...
I do think Russell's made good changes to his life and his personality
and his behaviors.
It's too easy to paint his ex as the villain here, and certainly the
involvement of the courts/police/etc in a perfect world wouldn't be
happening... but they are, and the best way that gets Russell out of
jail is certainly the way to go. It sounds like Russell's
non-cooperation is what is keeping Russell in jail at this point, not
his looking for his ex to forgive him his past debts (valid or not).
If Russell chooses to take a stance which keeps him in jail, it's his
choice, and nobody else can make it for him, or judge him for it. We
can be sorry for him, for Kat, sorry for his kid(s), angry at the
police/courts/system, etc, but none of that will change the
circumstances now.
Here's to hoping Russell is out of jail quickly and painlessly... and
that Kat is reunited with him soon, and that others in our circle of
friends get healthy again, heal relationships again, are successful in
their activism, etc.
Well said, Tom. Mindy, don't take our concern for a dear friend as taking sides against you and the kids. It's not that at all. It's just that the current drastic situation is not going to improve things for anyone involved. It's just increasing the amount of misery in the world. His imprisonment does seem to me as a crime of an intrusive state rather than of yours. I was just hoping you would be able to influence in some way to end this violence.
Kat, I will gladly be a character witness for Russell if that becomes necessary. I'm sure there are many others who will line up to do the same.
Kat don't forget ginger tea. Good for the respiratory. I bought a dehydrator on eBay years ago. Best money I've ever spent. Got dried ginger planks and every imaginable veggie. Okay maybe not EVERY imaginable veggie.
Oh, I should have thought of ginger tea earlier today. My stomach was pretty upset for a while.
For all of the Russell and child support discussion - http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13398.0
I was surprised how easily cauliflower dehydrates. It's not cheating to have dehydrated veggie tea.
I only came on here today, in response to an 'out of the blue' phone call I received this morning, asking me for information concerning Russell's arrest, of which I knew nothing of. I couldn't agree more that jail-time doesn't pay the debt...or 'serve anyone', but it does provide the proverbial wake up call for the person who is seriously past due on a debt, of which Russell is. It wa extremely painful for ME to see that he is being made out to be a hero, and on my children's quiet behalf, I speak.
Quote from: RussellsEx on March 19, 2008, 10:40 PM NHFT
I only came on here today, in response to an 'out of the blue' phone call I received this morning, asking me for information concerning Russell's arrest, of which I knew nothing of. I couldn't agree more that jail-time doesn't pay the debt...or 'serve anyone', but it does provide the proverbial wake up call for the person who is seriously past due on a debt, of which Russell is. It wa extremely painful for ME to see that he is being made out to be a hero, and on my children's quiet behalf, I speak.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13398.0
If it doesn't grow on a tree, it's not for me. :P
Quote from: Caleb on March 19, 2008, 10:42 PM NHFT
If it doesn't grow on a tree, it's not for me. :P
If it doesn't grow on a vine it's not mine.
;D ;D ;D
touche
Quote from: coffeeseven on March 19, 2008, 10:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Caleb on March 19, 2008, 10:42 PM NHFT
If it doesn't grow on a tree, it's not for me. :P
If it doesn't grow on a vine it's not mine. ;D ;D ;D
If it fits in my mouth, I'm eating it.
oh wait that doesn't rhyme... ok...
Food? Good!
hmm, didn't work as a rhyme, weird... one more try...
Meat? I'll eat. Sweet? I'll eat. Beet? I'll eat.
My eyes hurt from crying. I wish I could sleep.
:grouphug:
Hugs and prayers lift you up. Your inside the Shire and outside the Shire family really do care. We watch like you. We wait like you. Might mot be much but every little bit......
Well, russell is not just being "made out" to be a hero...he actually *is* a hero when it comes to peaceably opposing the policies of America's government through almost fearless civil disobedience. King and Gandhi were heroes in that way, but apparently had big personal/relationship failings. It is possible to be both a hero and a person who's done bad things.
I agree Dave, I am not too proud of some of the things I have done in the past.
what is important is that we grow and try to better ourselves, much different than some others who continue to do things the same old ways.
Quote from: SethCohn on March 19, 2008, 10:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: coffeeseven on March 19, 2008, 10:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Caleb on March 19, 2008, 10:42 PM NHFT
If it doesn't grow on a tree, it's not for me. :P
If it doesn't grow on a vine it's not mine. ;D ;D ;D
If it fits in my mouth, I'm eating it.
oh wait that doesn't rhyme... ok...
Food? Good!
hmm, didn't work as a rhyme, weird... one more try...
Meat? I'll eat. Sweet? I'll eat. Beet? I'll eat.
If it doesn't eat me first, but it might try to, I'll eat it. If it doesn't put up a fight, I'm not all that interested.
Holy caloric restriction , Catman! This could be good for your longevity, but remember... if you read the unauthorized biographies of Gandhi he always cheated on his fasts. Stop when you start fainting.
Actually, I haven't been dizzy at all. With water fasting I was dizzy a lot. I'm drinking quite a lot of juice.
Quote from: kola on March 19, 2008, 11:35 PM NHFT
I agree Dave, I am not too proud of some of the things I have done in the past.
what is important is that we grow and try to better ourselves, much different than some others who continue to do things the same old ways.
I completely agree. I am proud that the things I do, may have an impact in a good way on others. My youthful indiscretions, some of which were hurtful to others, are a source of shame. It is a cause to do good, even when doing good is legally wrong, or when others do not like it.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 21, 2008, 09:26 AM NHFT
Actually, I haven't been dizzy at all. With water fasting I was dizzy a lot. I'm drinking quite a lot of juice.
yup, I do not ever recommend plain water fasts.
I highly recommend using organice to juice but if you cant afford it or get it you need to really clean the produce.
Juice fasting is best. I also recommend bowel cleansing at the same time. (yes, enemas! and coffee enemas are the best). Since you are no longer consuming food the digestivbe tract gets a HUGE break. Now it will start to elimnate toxins. The release of toxins is what causes headaches, dizzynees and flu like symptoms and the best thing one can do is a enema to assist the body to clear out the gunk. Enemas are especially important for people with cancer because the actual breakdown of tumor masses will kill the patient if there is no help with elimination. (see Gerson Therapy).
I actually like to hear that a person feels cruddy when they beging doing a cleanse beacuse then I know the body is working to clear out toxins.
dont forget B 12 supps too.
Kola
If you're interested, the protocol I'm using is on juicefeasting.com.
sure, I will check it out. :)
I wouldn't supplement with B12. It's overkill. You're not going to die if you don't eat meat for a few months. There are crazy vegans that can go for years perfectly fine without supplementing with B12 and not eating any meat.
For example, vegitarians who grow their own food get more than enough B12 from the insects they ingest that they failed to completely wash out of the lettuce before eating.
But maybe it's my bias for any "supplements" talking. The way I see if, if you're using supplements than you're doing something else horrible wrong or you're living on the moon ;D
A long time ago people used to eat with the seasons and for many months they wouldn't get fresh fruits or veggies and they still survived. The modern notion of eating a salad, a fruit, some meat, etc every single day is just an extreme in my opinion.
I'm not a nutritionist or a doctor so don't take this as advice but more like the rantings of a madman. :P
QuoteThere are crazy vegans that can go for years perfectly fine without supplementing with B12 and not eating any meat.
What you don't realize is that those people walk by night and drink blood. Cancer incidence is strongly linked to several vitamin deficiencies. Good nutrition is a good idea during caloric restriction.
Im not discouraging this in any way. I just have a question for those who know about fasting. It has always been my understanding that fasting, and even modified fasting, is potentially counterproductive in maintaining health due to 1. lack of necessary protein, 2. metabolic adaptation, 3. loss of significant lean body mass, which also lowers metabolism long term. Is this incorrect? Can anyone refer me to studies which show the physical benefits of fasting?
Quote from: telomerase on March 21, 2008, 12:54 PM NHFT
QuoteThere are crazy vegans that can go for years perfectly fine without supplementing with B12 and not eating any meat.
What you don't realize is that those people walk by night and drink blood. Cancer incidence is strongly linked to several vitamin deficiencies. Good nutrition is a good idea during caloric restriction.
My point is that I find it absurd that people think that pills manufactured god knows where are necessary to being healthy. People adapt to whatever environment they live in and what food they have available.
The Eskimos don't exactly get the 'recommended' dose of fruits and veggies and they have survived for quite some time.
Diets, pills, nutritional supplements are all scams in my opinion based on the above logic.
Eat good, natural, healthy food and you'll be fine. If you are truely lacking in some nutriet/mineral due to sickness or other problems than instead of taking supplements find a food item that has this nutrient naturally and eat that instead.
Quote from: Notanumber on March 21, 2008, 01:01 PM NHFT
Im not discouraging this in any way. I just have a question for those who know about fasting. It has always been my understanding that fasting, and even modified fasting, is potentially counterproductive in maintaining health due to 1. lack of necessary protein, 2. metabolic adaptation, 3. loss of significant lean body mass, which also lowers metabolism long term. Is this incorrect? Can anyone refer me to studies which show the physical benefits of fasting?
It's all relative. There is a big difference between a two week lemon cleans and a two month juice fast. Which one are you asking about specifically?
I will not be able to answer your question but I just thought I'd help you hone it down to something specific so that someone else would be better able to answer it ;) Different kinds of fasts and for different periods of time all have different affects on the body I would think.
Quote from: Notanumber on March 21, 2008, 01:01 PM NHFT
Im not discouraging this in any way. I just have a question for those who know about fasting. It has always been my understanding that fasting, and even modified fasting, is potentially counterproductive in maintaining health due to 1. lack of necessary protein, 2. metabolic adaptation, 3. loss of significant lean body mass, which also lowers metabolism long term. Is this incorrect? Can anyone refer me to studies which show the physical benefits of fasting?
I think you have been told some lies.
If you are truely interested in learning about the benfits of juicing I am sure the internet has plenty of valid available information. If your interest is only to consider juice fasting as quackery then anything presented (by me or anyone else) will only ridiculed.
Internet access is a great way to learn if that is what you are wanting to do. Why not see what you can find and post it here for us. Thanks! :)
Kola
Lex, I am not a big fan of supps but they do have a place.
It is my belief that B12 supps should be used as a a precautionary measure when juicing or when being a strict vegan. I have seen many people become B12 deficient who becme anemic and/or get some type of neurological problem. (numbness, tingling, muscle weakness). I often use and advise B12 injections (or tabs) as do many MD's where B12 deficiency is quite common in the elderly) because of their poor eating habits (living alone, unable to make meals etc). B12 deficiency is a reality but not all docs are looking for it.
Supps have a place. Sailors would not have gotten scurvy if they had Vit C tablets. Thank god they finally figurered out they were lacking it and supplemented with limes onboard. Damn Limeys!
OTOH, most of the food we now get is lacking vits/mins and other nutrients becuase the soil is depleted and there are GMO's being grown. There are only certain things the body can make and others are needed from diet. If we can't get it by eating the right food then we have to get it from somewhere. In my practice I have seen some people cause themselves harm because they attempted to do a alternative program and did not have all the facts.
Kola
I was having tingling/numbness in my index fingers and thumbs sometime, before I started this fast, so I'd take B12 sups. Strangely enough, it's gone away during the fast and I hadn't been taking any B12.
That could have been swollen wrists/fluid retention causing carpal tunnel sumptoms. Juicing will reduce that. Some folks do fine witout B12. I advise it as precautionary but its not the rule. If you feel ok, Kat continue as you are. but just be aware of it in case you get symptoms. Thats all. :)
Kola
btw, for CTS folks, I advise B6 not B12.
Kola
I generally only buy oranic or locally grown produce which tastes better and I would assume also has much more nutritional value than the generic GMO imported stuff. I also eat meat, so get plenty of B12 ;D
But I should definitely do a fast or a cleans soon. It's my spring time resolution, maybe sometime next month I'll do a lemon cleans for two weeks.
Yeah Lex, fall and spring are great times to do a cleanse. (and anytime you begin to get sick).
I advise folks to go for at least 30 days...but encourage 2-3 months. I like the program Kat is doing for one very big reason. WHY? Because it is a 92 day cleanse. 3 months devoted to cleaning out the sludge and rebuilding. IMO it takes at least 60-90 days to clean out the crud and then start reparing things.
We subject our bodies to a lot of funk and gunk. It takes more than a week or two to make big changes.
otoh if you are relatively healthy then a short term clease is beneficial.
although I strongly believe in cleanses I think it is most important to adapt to the lifelong nutritional eating regime that is enjoyable and productive. Prevention.
I personally eat some meats and fish and eggs and goat cheese, but only organic or wild. All my produce is either homegrown (by myself) or purchased from co-op organic farmers. When I had cancer and was on the Gerson program I could not eat no meats, fish or poultry,no dairy, no spices and no oils except flax. I am currently 3 years in remission and have had no new tumor growths. (btw I refused chemo and radiation). A cancer patients chances are much better if you avoid it and boost your immune sytem instead of destroying it.
Kola
Quote from: kola on March 21, 2008, 01:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: Notanumber on March 21, 2008, 01:01 PM NHFT
Im not discouraging this in any way. I just have a question for those who know about fasting. It has always been my understanding that fasting, and even modified fasting, is potentially counterproductive in maintaining health due to 1. lack of necessary protein, 2. metabolic adaptation, 3. loss of significant lean body mass, which also lowers metabolism long term. Is this incorrect? Can anyone refer me to studies which show the physical benefits of fasting?
I think you have been told some lies.
If you are truely interested in learning about the benfits of juicing I am sure the internet has plenty of valid available information. If your interest is only to consider juice fasting as quackery then anything presented (by me or anyone else) will only ridiculed.
Internet access is a great way to learn if that is what you are wanting to do. Why not see what you can find and post it here for us. Thanks! :)
Kola
Maybe I have been lied to, maybe I havent. That is why I asked for you to give me the counterargument. I have no interest in ridiculing anyone. I have read studies which show that extreme calorie restriction can cause a loss of lean body mass, which in turn lowers metabolism, and can create a negative cycle. I have also read studies that show that fruit juices without the corresponding fiber of the fruit can cause insulin to spike which also has the effect of lowering metabolism and potentially enhancing adipose storage.
You all seem to know alot about these modified fasts, so I asked you to share your information with me. If you don't want to, that's fine, and Im sorry I offended you. I will continue on in blissful ignorance. Carry on.
QuoteYou all seem to know alot about these modified fasts, so I asked you to share your information with me. If you don't want to, that's fine, and Im sorry I offended you. I will continue on in blissful ignorance. Carry on.
My apologies in refusing to copy and paste information for you but like I said, if you are really interested they are many places to find the information. (internet access makes it a cakewalk)
You comment stating that you "will to continue on being blissfully ignorant" tells me you have no real interest in pursuing the topic on your own. Why not google it out and do some reading on your own and then come back. I would gladly discuss it then. Fair enough? ;)
Kola
Quote from: kola on March 21, 2008, 03:35 PM NHFT
QuoteYou all seem to know alot about these modified fasts, so I asked you to share your information with me. If you don't want to, that's fine, and Im sorry I offended you. I will continue on in blissful ignorance. Carry on.
My apologies in refusing to copy and paste information for you but like I said, if you are really interested they are many places to find the information. (internet access makes it a cakewalk)
You comment stating that you "will to continue on being blissfully ignorant" tells me you have no real interest in pursuing the topic on your own. Why not google it out and do some reading on your own and then come back. I would gladly discuss it then. Fair enough? ;)
Kola
No apology necessary. I have researched this subject all that I care to in the past, and ended up with what is clearly different information than you have. From this point on, I purposely engage in rational ignorance. For me to spend more time researching this, I need to believe there will be a return on that investment. I saw that you all do something different, and wondered what information you have that I don't. But its not worth spending an hour or two on, just as it probably isnt worth it to you to link me to your information, so then, no information will be exchanged. :)
Fascinating discussion you guys are having! :P
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on March 21, 2008, 03:59 PM NHFT
Fascinating discussion you guys are having! :P
Or not having. ;D
Yup Nato, thats what I thought and why I avoided "assisting" you. You mind is already made up.
Kola
Quote from: kola on March 21, 2008, 04:12 PM NHFT
Yup Nato, thats what I thought and why I avoided "assisting" you. You mind is already made up.
Kola
Man, I must do a horrible job of writing. I thought I explained that my mind wasn't 'made up' and that I still have an open mind on the topic (which is why I bothered asking), but that I have spent many hours investigating nutrition science, as much as I care to do, and either didnt find the same information as you, or what I did find I was not convinced by. Either way, it isnt a problem, just please dont cast me as closed minded on the issue.
Here's a little bit of info from a quick internet search:
http://www.healingdaily.com/juicing-for-health/fasting.htm
QuoteFor me to spend more time researching this, I need to believe there will be a return on that investment.
What "return" are you looking for?
--If you decide to delve deeper it can only solidify your present position. IMO thats a reward or "return". (unless you already know it all)..which IMO is never possible since science etc is continally flip flopping and changing.
--If you dig deeper you may also find that that your present assumptions were wrong. Is that a mental possibilty? For many that is difficult task.
Instead of just saying "show me what ya got", why not look for yourself? :)
Or are you suggesting you are more interested in some type of deabte?
Even though I am 100% against all vaccines I still read what the pro vaccine people have to say.
Will it change my mind? probally not, but I am open to the possibility. I have studied vaccines (pro vs con) for over 12+ years. One of the returns I get from reading pro-vaccine material is that I can then do my own research and come up with an answer or rebuttal that would support my stance and possibly question their validity. My other reward could be that maybe they are right and is truely of merit. (a +1 for them).
Kola
Don't forget Vit. C, important to boost the immune system, and right now there are a lot of bugs out there.
We have seen an increase on admission for pneumonia, remember you get pneumonia by first contracting a virus or bacteria of some sort.
Kat we are not that far from you, if you or Keira need anything, please don't hesitate to call.
Thanks Jenn.
I just juiced half a pineapple with about 5 oranges (and a bunch of kale)...I should be getting a lot of vitamin C :)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 22, 2008, 05:28 PM NHFT
Thanks Jenn.
I just juiced half a pineapple with about 5 oranges (and a bunch of kale)...I should be getting a lot of vitamin C :)
Please tell me that that didnt all go in the same glass. :)
the kale will make it bitter but the others will sweeten it up. I prefer greens with a half an apple. But they are all great blood cleansers.
hats of to kat and scott!
Quote from: Notanumber on March 23, 2008, 03:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 22, 2008, 05:28 PM NHFT
Thanks Jenn.
I just juiced half a pineapple with about 5 oranges (and a bunch of kale)...I should be getting a lot of vitamin C :)
Please tell me that that didnt all go in the same glass. :)
It all went in the same glass.
and she drank it too! ;D
thats important. 8)
^-^
I like kale, so Im sure kale juice would be bitter but drinkable, but Im pretty sure a kale/orange/pineapple combo would be more than I can handle.
You have a stronger stomach than I for sure.
The green drinks look kinda gross, but they taste pretty good.
14 days without food today.
Have you tried Enerfood powder? It's good in smoothies but it tastes too "green" all by itself.
No, I use Dr. Schultze's Superfood.
Dr. Schultze rocks!
He should be our next president.
Quote from: kola on March 24, 2008, 11:36 AM NHFT
Dr. Schultze rocks!
He should be our next president.
I like Dr. Bronner.
Quote from: SethCohn on March 24, 2008, 06:59 PM NHFT
Quote from: kola on March 24, 2008, 11:36 AM NHFT
Dr. Schultze rocks!
He should be our next president.
I like Dr. Bronner.
I have a picture of Dr. Bronner, the Elder wearing what looks like welding glasses and a lab coat holding a bottle of his soap. His history is really, really interesting. Met his son in person. What a hoot!!! Told me about his dad being put into "mental health" facilitie
s, numerous escapes and finally breaking out for good. Brilliance and madness being two sides of the same side of a doormat.
I'll say
Is Yogurt an allowed item? Probably not huh.
Yogurt on the fast? No.
17 days without eating, so far :o
Yikes!! Please be careful Kat.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 27, 2008, 03:20 AM NHFT
Yogurt on the fast? No.
17 days without eating, so far :o
Thats terrific!
you da Juicewomen of NH 2008 ;D
You should see the looks jj gives me about the green juice. Some of them look pretty gross, but most taste good.
green plants=chlorophyll=blood cleanser=life giving.
How about a handful of nuts added to the fast?
what is master cleanse, Scott?
Kola
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
1 Quart of Organic Maple Syrup
1/4 cup Sea Salt
5 gallons of pure water, approximately
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
I mix this all together and put it in gallon jugs. I drink 1 gallon of the mixture each day,
and also take an herbal laxative to help the stimulation process.
Clears the mind, purifies the blood and helps to clear up any skin problems.
The book "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn can be found at Borders or on Amazon.
Good luck Scott.
No nuts. I do have a T of hemp seed oil daily when I remember.
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 30, 2008, 06:40 PM NHFT
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
1 Quart of Organic Maple Syrup
1/4 cup Sea Salt
5 gallons of pure water, approximately
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
I mix this all together and put it in gallon jugs. I drink 1 gallon of the mixture each day,
and also take an herbal laxative to help the stimulation process.
Clears the mind, purifies the blood and helps to clear up any skin problems.
The book "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn can be found at Borders or on Amazon.
WOW! :o
That sounds like an herbal atom bomb!
A gallon a day sounds like it should get the pipes clean and then some!
Congrats on being proactive and taking care of your health. No one else will! ;)
Kola
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 30, 2008, 06:40 PM NHFT
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
1 Quart of Organic Maple Syrup
1/4 cup Sea Salt
5 gallons of pure water, approximately
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
I mix this all together and put it in gallon jugs. I drink 1 gallon of the mixture each day,
and also take an herbal laxative to help the stimulation process.
Clears the mind, purifies the blood and helps to clear up any skin problems.
The book "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn can be found at Borders or on Amazon.
+1 and thank you!!
I'm going to try this on myself and my 15 year old daughter who fights with problem skin. I'll probably get a visit from the department of homeland security for buying 60 lemons at a time!!! ;D
You don't put the salt in it all the time do you?
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 30, 2008, 06:40 PM NHFT
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
...
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
Do you juice the lemons or use them whole or in pieces?
Is that ounce by weight or volume? Fresh (cut up?) or dried powder?
Not sure I'd try it, but maybe...
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 30, 2008, 06:40 PM NHFT
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
1 Quart of Organic Maple Syrup
1/4 cup Sea Salt
5 gallons of pure water, approximately
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
I mix this all together and put it in gallon jugs. I drink 1 gallon of the mixture each day,
and also take an herbal laxative to help the stimulation process.
Clears the mind, purifies the blood and helps to clear up any skin problems.
The book "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn can be found at Borders or on Amazon.
Add a couple gallons of Bourbon and ya might have something.
Or, just the Bourbon and skip the rest
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 30, 2008, 06:40 PM NHFT
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
1 Quart of Organic Maple Syrup
1/4 cup Sea Salt
5 gallons of pure water, approximately
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
I mix this all together and put it in gallon jugs. I drink 1 gallon of the mixture each day,
and also take an herbal laxative to help the stimulation process.
Clears the mind, purifies the blood and helps to clear up any skin problems.
The book "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn can be found at Borders or on Amazon.
Would you recommend it cold or room temperature?
I'm guessing room temp for the syrup to mix. My wife says she thinks this diet is a Kevin Trudeau thing and that it calls for an additional 500 calories of real food per day.
Quote from: coffeeseven on March 31, 2008, 09:11 AM NHFT
I'm guessing room temp for the syrup to mix. My wife says she thinks this diet is a Kevin Trudeau thing and that it calls for an additional 500 calories of real food per day.
I did alot of research into this thing last night and I can say it had nothing to do with Kevin Trudeau. Its from something that was written in 1941 so it is pretty old. How ever I made a half batch of this stuff last night and I can say that the cayenne pepper does not make this stuff very pleasant and you are not even suppose to put the salt into the mixture. What you are suppose to do is to drink a salt and water mixture every morning when you are doing this cleanse. The salt is suppose to do a "downward enema" and is suppose to scrape the old crap from the bowels. In addition to all this they also do recommend the laxative tea be taken every night as well.
I started the Master Cleans (Lemonade Detox, etc) this morning. I did it last year but only for 5 days, this time i'm doing it for 10 days.
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on March 31, 2008, 02:03 PM NHFT
I started the Master Cleans (Lemonade Detox, etc) this morning. I did it last year but only for 5 days, this time i'm doing it for 10 days.
I am planning on doing this for at least 5 days. How beneficial do you think that will be?
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 30, 2008, 06:40 PM NHFT
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
1 Quart of Organic Maple Syrup
1/4 cup Sea Salt
5 gallons of pure water, approximately
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
I mix this all together and put it in gallon jugs. I drink 1 gallon of the mixture each day,
and also take an herbal laxative to help the stimulation process.
Clears the mind, purifies the blood and helps to clear up any skin problems.
The book "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn can be found at Borders or on Amazon.
Great Scott, I tried it before and I think it rocks! The writer is Stanley Burroughs, right? If anybody wants the exact info google it or I can look for my Lemonade Diet book.
Good luck Scott and could you please let me know how long you make it and how you feel after? I only made it for 2 days because I made the mistake of not doing it all by myself and my sister really got under my skin when we tried it together. :D
I just read the post by Scott Roth and wanted to point out that I do it a bit differently.
I think it's good to make each batch fresh. After all, you're not cooking anymore so you have all this extra time, it doesn't hurt to juice the lemons in smaller batches several times a day.
Also, make sure that you either get Grade B Maple Syrup (or Grade A but Dark).
Anyways, I squeeze one lemon at a time and that usually makes a glass (10oz) and a half. So I'm always drinking it fresh. Also, depending on how you're squeezing your lemond make sure to leave the pulp, just take out the seeds. The pulp helps to make it feel like food and gives you something to chew on, albeit not very much. :-)
The first couple of days are tough but then it gets easier.
One difference between when I did it last year and this year is that this time I've also been drinking salt water, man is that stuff nasty. I puked this morning after drinking 32oz. I'm probably not going to drink anymore, unless I become constipated.
Quote from: Landon Jeffery on March 31, 2008, 02:14 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on March 31, 2008, 02:03 PM NHFT
I started the Master Cleans (Lemonade Detox, etc) this morning. I did it last year but only for 5 days, this time i'm doing it for 10 days.
I am planning on doing this for at least 5 days. How beneficial do you think that will be?
When I did it for 5 days last year, the most noticeable differences for me were (this will obviously vary between people):
1. I didn't eat as much. I guess my stomach shrunk a little so I got fuller on smaller portions. Of course this will only last if you actually adjust your life style and consciously continue to eat smaller portions. If you eat the same way after the cleanse as you did before then your stomach will readjust to your previous eating habits.
2. I could much better tell the difference between bad food and healthy food. Healthy food just tasted so much better. My sense of smell and taste got really cleared up.
3. I felt lighter and everything in side just felt like it was in working order. In some sense I felt more in tune with my digestive system, more aware of it I guess. You get real personal with it during the fast so I guess it stays with you afterwards.
I don't think I lost any weight. Although I'm not overweight to begin with so that was not my goal. I would not recommend that anyone do this to lose weight either. On the other hand it will probably help in an overall weight loss program. For example if you do the fast and then change your eating habits afterwards then that would be a good long term weight loss strategy and the cleanse will help you to reset in this way.
Ok, get your lemonade drink ready Scott ...
I'm grabbing my orange ...
Let's race to see whose lunch is tastier. ;D
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 31, 2008, 02:11 PM NHFT
* Flushing The Colon
...
* Ridding The Body Of Parasites
It doesn't have any negative effects on the necessary fauna living in the colon, such as
E. coli?
My understanding is that you do lose some good bacteria in the process of any of these fasts but that you build them backup after the fast so it's not that big of a deal.
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on March 31, 2008, 02:48 PM NHFT
I just read the post by Scott Roth and wanted to point out that I do it a bit differently.
I think it's good to make each batch fresh. After all, you're not cooking anymore so you have all this extra time, it doesn't hurt to juice the lemons in smaller batches several times a day.
Also, make sure that you either get Grade B Maple Syrup (or Grade A but Dark).
Anyways, I squeeze one lemon at a time and that usually makes a glass (10oz) and a half. So I'm always drinking it fresh. Also, depending on how you're squeezing your lemond make sure to leave the pulp, just take out the seeds. The pulp helps to make it feel like food and gives you something to chew on, albeit not very much. :-)
The first couple of days are tough but then it gets easier.
One difference between when I did it last year and this year is that this time I've also been drinking salt water, man is that stuff nasty. I puked this morning after drinking 32oz. I'm probably not going to drink anymore, unless I become constipated.
My sister got sick from the salt water drink too but I liked it. It should be Celtic Sea Salt too because of the density having something to do with cleaning your blood or something like that.
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on March 31, 2008, 03:54 PM NHFT
My understanding is that you do lose some good bacteria in the process of any of these fasts but that you build them backup after the fast so it's not that big of a deal.
I guess you could take a good probiotic too, right?
Quote from: raineyrocks on March 31, 2008, 04:10 PM NHFT
I guess you could take a good probiotic too, right?
Definitely!
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on March 31, 2008, 03:54 PM NHFT
My understanding is that you do lose some good bacteria in the process of any of these fasts but that you build them backup after the fast so it's not that big of a deal.
Ah. To the extent that one can have digestion issues when one switches
off of this diet back onto solid food? I know that can sometimes happen when people take antibiotics for a while...
I'm past the first two days and I finally feel perfectly normal. The only strange thing is that I don't have to cook or eat anything anymore, otherwise I don't feel hungry or tired or sick.
I think fasting is fascinating if for no other reason than just going through your day without thinking about breakfast, lunch or dinner. It feels very foreign. Your day is suddenly not subdivided into these before/after meal blocks.
Eating is a funny habit but surprisingly easy to break. It took me only two days last year and the same amount this time around.
Quote from: Scott Roth on March 30, 2008, 06:40 PM NHFT
It's also known as The Lemonade Diet. For the 5 day cleanse, it consists of:
30 Organic Lemons
1 Quart of Organic Maple Syrup
1/4 cup Sea Salt
5 gallons of pure water, approximately
1 ounce of Cayenne Pepper
I mix this all together and put it in gallon jugs. I drink 1 gallon of the mixture each day,
and also take an herbal laxative to help the stimulation process.
Clears the mind, purifies the blood and helps to clear up any skin problems.
The book "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn can be found at Borders or on Amazon.
Um... I'm not trying to be snippy here, but I happen to have a lot of experience in this department, and well... I get a little annoyed with half-assed information when it comes to something as serious as fasting.
I'm not sure what "The Complete Master Cleanse" by Tom Woloshyn is, but it seems based upon "The Master Cleanser" by Stanley Burroughs - you can get the complete book in PDF form here: http://healthandlight.com/TheMasterCleanse.pdf (http://healthandlight.com/TheMasterCleanse.pdf)
I would strongly advise anyone looking to do a "lemonade diet" or cleanse to read it before they go mixing 30 lemons with water and syrup or whatever - fasting is not to be taken lightly or without full knowledge of the process.
The instructions you gave seem off, and incomplete - for example, its not a good idea to make more than a days worth (which is
not necessarily a gallon) at a time. The enzymes and cleansing properties of the drink lessen and die off the longer it sits, especially if its more than a day...
Also, it probably isn;t a good idea to ingest salt with the lemon cocktail - its suppose to be used for flushing out your system, first thing in the morning, before you consume any lemonade - otherwise you flush away what little nutrients are provided by the drink...
And its not just maple syrup - organic or otherwise... it very specifically should be grade B or C maple syrup. Otherwise its just sugar - the point of the syrup is the minerals it provides. You wont get that in super-refined grade A varieties, which is mostly whats on the market.
You also mentioned in another post that a laxative tea wasn;t necessary - well if you're not going to be doing the salt water flush properly/at all, it certainly is! You're body
has to eliminate the toxins that are loosened from your cells and organs (which without food requires some encouragement) - otherwise you will get very sick!
And lastly, you're actually suppose to do the cleanse for a
minimum of ten days - ten days is not the max. Now some people will only do it for 3 days here and there and thats fine too, but you actually wont reach optimum benefits and healing until day 8-15 and beyond for healing on a cellular level... which is detailed here: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=265174#i (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=265174#i) I've been on this fast for three weeks+ before and was completely fine - I also know of people who have done it up to 60 days!
I'm sorry if I seem to be attacking your posts - I'm actually thrilled that there seems to be more people seeking out these methods - I just don't want people hurting themselves or making themselves sick.
I don't reccomend making a big batch of the stuff either as I did and apparently it began to ferment as is apparent in this photo...
(http://www.sellthefsp.com/bulge.jpg)
You can notice the bulging of the container is evident of the building gasses released in the process of fermentation. Now I have wasted my valuable money making cheap lemon wine. gah...
Quote from: Landon Jeffery on April 02, 2008, 05:28 PM NHFT
I don't reccomend making a big batch of the stuff either as I did and apparently it began to ferment...
Cleansing hooch!!! ;D
Quote from: Landon Jeffery on April 02, 2008, 05:28 PM NHFT
I don't reccomend making a big batch of the stuff either as I did and apparently it began to ferment as is apparent in this photo...
(http://www.sellthefsp.com/bulge.jpg)
You can notice the bulging of the container is evident of the building gasses released in the process of fermentation. Now I have wasted my valuable money making cheap lemon wine. gah...
Wait, did you keep that in the fridge and just take it out to make the photo?
Or where you storing it like that to begin with?
Both maple syrup (after it's opened) and lemon juice are perishable items so you have to keep them in a fridge.
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on April 03, 2008, 06:23 AM NHFT
Wait, did you keep that in the fridge and just take it out to make the photo?
Or where you storing it like that to begin with?
Both maple syrup (after it's opened) and lemon juice are perishable items so you have to keep them in a fridge.
:duh: Your right and I did not put it in the refridgerator. I should have thought better but ya see I live with a roommate that just stuffs the fridge full of junk so it would have taken a considerable amount of refridgerator cleaning to put it in there!
I juiced all of my lemons this morning and did the math for a fresh batch every morning. I bought some sandwich sized zipper bags and put each day's lemon juice in them then in the freezer. Here's how it worked out per person, per day for each of the 5 days.
1 Gallon of water
7 liquid ounces lemon juice
6.4 liquid ounces syrup
6.4 grams cayenne pepper
Day 24 without eating :o I'm having a quart of watermelon juice right now :)
Quote from: Landon Jeffery on April 03, 2008, 12:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on April 03, 2008, 06:23 AM NHFT
Wait, did you keep that in the fridge and just take it out to make the photo?
Or where you storing it like that to begin with?
Both maple syrup (after it's opened) and lemon juice are perishable items so you have to keep them in a fridge.
:duh: Your right and I did not put it in the refridgerator. I should have thought better but ya see I live with a roommate that just stuffs the fridge full of junk so it would have taken a considerable amount of refridgerator cleaning to put it in there!
That really sucks, I feel sorry for you! :( It did remind me though that I've got to clean the refrigerator out today. ::)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 03, 2008, 01:18 PM NHFT
Day 24 without eating :o I'm having a quart of watermelon juice right now :)
Wow Kat that's a long time but your juicing right? I love watermelon juice but too much makes me dizzy. I bet your losing tons of weight that's what I need to do even though I understand your fasting for different reasons. :(
18 lbs so far. It's slowed way down after the first week...maybe 0.2 lb/day.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 03, 2008, 01:31 PM NHFT
18 lbs so far. It's slowed way down after the first week...maybe 0.2 lb/day.
Wow, do you gain it right back after you start to eat again? By the way I hope you and Kira are doing well in light of what's going on! If you ever want to get out come on over just give me plenty of notice because my house is a mess since I hurt my knee and can hardly do anything anymore. It's getting on my nerves so bad but I know if I start doing things it will take longer for the ligaments to repair. ::)
Oh, sorry you hurt your knee. Kira's hanging in there. I'm miserable most of the time.
I'll gain back some when I start eating again, but not all of it. Sorta depends on what I start eating, too.
Kat I wanted to mention a really good tea I have found called Genmacha. It is really "meaty".
From Teahouseatlanta.com:
Genmacha is a fine Japanese Sencha tea flavored with toasted rice and popcorn. This tea should be steeped in 175 degree (F 70 degree C) water for 1 minute thirty seconds. A slightly shorter steeping time will bring out the flavor of the rice and popcorn; as you move to the maximum time the brew will carry more of the characteristic flavor of the tea.
I've lost 10 lbs since Monday. Although I think most of that is just water, mucus and other gunk. I'm 169.8lbs now. Last year I was 168 most of the summer so I'm just going down to my normal summer weight.
Thanks for the tea recommendation, Coffee. :)
That's great, Lex :)
My favorite juice is an extract of malted barley and hops. 8)
I'm pondering a trial of the master cleanse. I did Atkins a few years ago, so I'm familiar with ketosis and the fuzzy tongue syndrome. I seriously doubt my ability to go through a full 15+ day fast. My job and the realities of elimination just probably wouldn't mesh. I have two weeks of leave coming up, so I might experiment with it.
Recently I've been aware that I need a good gut cleansing. I'm using an herbal blend called ColonClenz, just one capsule per day, and --not to get into TMI-- output is greatly exceeding intake. I dropped about 10 pounds in a week without modifying my diet at all. My anecdotal data suggests that all that crap --pardon me-- was already inside me, and is being eliminated.
It's only the first ~3 days that are tough. If you drink enough juice, you don't typically feel debilitated at all - you could easily work. The first three days are hard because you feel so hungry.
I was able to respond to two fire calls last week during the fast, one on monday (the day i started) and then again yesterday (friday, 5th day of the fast). The first day I didn't bring any juice with me but on yesterdays call I brought about 16 oz. I drank some (to/from the scene) but didn't feel like I needed it even after carrying heavy stuff around and just generally running around in my gear. The Master Cleanse actually seems to make you more energized than weak or tired. But I've done it before and am relatively healthy to begin with. I know some people who try it feel weak and in pain. I guess it depends on how far you let your body become messed up before you get around to fasting ;)
I once went 6 months on a juice fast, no food. I originally started on a 30 day program but I felt so good that I kept at it. I used to get terrible migraines. (2-3 per week). On the juice fats I had a couple light headaches but no more migraines. I basically stuck with fresh apple juice becuase I was concerned about food allergies.
Weight loss? yup about 20 pounds in 2 months and then I leveled out and remained the same weight.
as far as that master cleanse mixture bloating up in the jug..I do not see that happening unless the jug was unvented. If its vented, it will not ferment in that short of time.
Kola
Quote from: kola on April 06, 2008, 06:45 PM NHFT
as far as that master cleanse mixture bloating up in the jug..I do not see that happening unless the jug was unvented. If its vented, it will not ferment in that short of time.
It would still ferment, it just wouldn't blow up the jug if it was vented.
Of course if the vent didn't have a bubble lock and blowoff tube, it would just spew nasty foam everywhere. Ask any homebrewer or wine maker.
Quote from: KBCraig on April 07, 2008, 01:18 AM NHFT
Quote from: kola on April 06, 2008, 06:45 PM NHFT
as far as that master cleanse mixture bloating up in the jug..I do not see that happening unless the jug was unvented. If its vented, it will not ferment in that short of time.
It would still ferment, it just wouldn't blow up the jug if it was vented.
Of course if the vent didn't have a bubble lock and blowoff tube, it would just spew nasty foam everywhere. Ask any homebrewer or wine maker.
Well incidentally almost about the same time as this screwed up master cleanse attempt I picked up a book on home brewing "The complete Joy of Homebrewing" Wonderful stuff this book is. However since i did not introduce any yeast into the 'master cleanse' mix the resulting drink would likely have been fermented due to wild yeasts in the air or some bacterial infection resultant of my unsterile methods. When you home brew you have an airlock so that the pressure from within the chamber can come out but the atmosphere outside cannot get in and contaminate the "brew"
Boy am I ever tired of juice.
have an nice crunchy crisp sweet apple or juicy cold tangy orange. :D