As the subject says... anyone interested in an "Assault Rifle" Litter Clean Up? I blame Mr. Ridley for mentioning the idea to me last night.
Assault-rifle, as in a select-fire, smallish-bore carbine? I know hardly anyone that can even afford such a thing (on account of the select-fire aspect). Well, maybe everybody and his uncle in Iraq -- but not in the US! Those suckers are expensive! 8)
Ah. Perhaps you mean "assault-rifle", as in the name invented by anti-gun groups for ordinary rifles that happen to be made with black plastic, have a bayonet, or a folding stock (among other attributes)?
Anyway, no offense to you or Dave, but I think it's a terrible idea. :) An open-carry litter pickup with holstered handguns is one thing -- a relatively tame thing that already freaks some people out (yes, I understand that sensitization/education is the point). But open-carrying handguns is still somewhat commonplace; for example, people see police with holstered handguns all the time, and occasionally they might see Dave Ridley with one. Most people -- even gun nuts -- would be surprised or possibly shocked to see a group of guys walking down the street carrying rifles. A non gun nut would probably be terrified.
I can think of no reasonable circumstance in which one would have a rifle in a sling (or in a hand) while out picking up litter in an urban part of NH. It serves only to create hysteria, and I think that's a very poor approach to changing hearts and minds. In my opinion this sort of stunt would only increase the number of foes you have, and probably alienate people who are otherwise friendly/neutral on gun issues.
OK, I can think of a couple approaches that might not be a disaster.
1) If you dress up in a full revolutionary war regalia, and carry some sort of wood-bodied long gun slung across your back -- not a black plasticky AR-15 or Hi Point carbine -- that could possibly work without freaking people out too much. They might instead ridicule you for your odd behavior/clothing, but that's better than them wetting their pants with terror.
2) If you pick up litter in a rural part of the state on the side of a highway, for example, holding big signs that say "NH Rifleman Litter Pickup" or somesuch -- that might not be so bad.
Yes, sorry, I should have used quotes around it and have corrected it.
I kinda posted this as a joke. I don't think anyone would really be up for it. Though it would be interested, but I don't think it would be taken too kindly to in a city environment.
Quote from: doobie on May 14, 2008, 07:07 PM NHFT
Yes, sorry, I should have used quotes around it and have corrected it.
I kinda posted this as a joke. I don't think anyone would really be up for it. Though it would be interested, but I don't think it would be taken too kindly to in a city environment.
You know, I kind of thought it smacked of jokingness. Sorry I took it seriously. :)
Quote from: margomaps on May 14, 2008, 06:24 PM NHFT
Ah. Perhaps you mean "assault-rifle", as in the name invented by anti-gun groups for ordinary rifles that happen to be made with black plastic, have a bayonet, or a folding stock (among other attributes)?
How dare you question this gun policy.
We have a serious problem with drive-by bayonettings here in the USA. These laws are to keep you safe.
i thought *you* were the one who brought it up!
no i'm not really in favor of the idea at the moment; maybe someday somewhere it might have its place
seems a little cumbersome
Probably not good PR, but I'd still die to see a Ridley Report of it! LOL .. some day... some day...
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 14, 2008, 09:28 PM NHFT
seems a little cumbersome
not if you use the bayonette to pick up paper and cardboard with
Bazooka Litter Cleanup...hmmmm
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 14, 2008, 08:35 PM NHFT
i thought *you* were the one who brought it up!
no i'm not really in favor of the idea at the moment; maybe someday somewhere it might have its place
Maybe you mentioned something about it being OC'ing rifles in a town and then I added the open carry, because until our conversation I believed it wasn't legal to OC a loaded rifle on public streets.
What about Nuclear Bomb Litter Clean Up? You can walk around with an aluminum briefcase.
I think carrying around assault rifles for volunteer clean up is a very bad idea.
The commonfolk just ain't ready for that and its just too intimidating.
IMO, stick with pistols.
Kola
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on May 15, 2008, 10:05 AM NHFT
What about Nuclear Bomb Litter Clean Up? You can walk around with an aluminum briefcase.
Damn, beat me to it. :)
Howitzer litter pick-up anyone?
What about a cavalry saber litter pick up?
Stick to cowboy guns for the memetic effect... and they're faster if you need 'em anyway.
Although according to the latest Reason, the rats in DC are so bad that flamethrowers may be appropriate:
:violent5:
I was gonna say we can get rid of them in the next election, but, I realized I would be insulting the Rodents.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on May 14, 2008, 10:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 14, 2008, 09:28 PM NHFT
seems a little cumbersome
not if you use the bayonette to pick up paper and cardboard with
I hadn't even thought about it .... all that gun cleaning sometimes helps. ;)
Still bulkier than a stick with a nail sticking out of one end
Quote from: doobie on May 14, 2008, 07:07 PM NHFT
Yes, sorry, I should have used quotes around it and have corrected it.
I kinda posted this as a joke. I don't think anyone would really be up for it. Though it would be interested, but I don't think it would be taken too kindly to in a city environment.
We were talking about this on the last litter pickup I attended, in Manchester. I think it'd be a good idea
only after we've firmly established open carrying handguns as a "normal" sight—until then, it'd only scare people and achieve the opposite of what we want.
Quote from: doobie on May 15, 2008, 07:55 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 14, 2008, 08:35 PM NHFT
i thought *you* were the one who brought it up!
no i'm not really in favor of the idea at the moment; maybe someday somewhere it might have its place
Maybe you mentioned something about it being OC'ing rifles in a town and then I added the open carry, because until our conversation I believed it wasn't legal to OC a loaded rifle on public streets.
I think it was Ryan who told me this, and who can confirm it, but having a CCW license permits you to carry loaded rifles (and a bunch of other weird things like swords).
A license to carry a handgun here in nh is only required to carry concealed, loaded in a car, or loaded on an atv.
It can be concealed in a car, unloaded, without a pistol permit.
There is no permit required to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun while walking in public. Having a shotgun or rifle loaded in a car is always illegal unless you are disabled and have a permit to hunt from a car or are a law enforcement officer.
207:7 Hunting From Motor Vehicle, OHRV, Snowmobile, Boat, or Aircraft. –
I. No person shall take or attempt to take wild birds or wild animals from a motor vehicle, OHRV, snowmobile as defined in RSA 215-C:1, boat, aircraft or other craft propelled by mechanical power.
II. No person shall have or carry, in or on a motor vehicle, OHRV, snowmobile, or aircraft, whether moving or stationary, a cocked crossbow, a loaded rifle or loaded shotgun, or a rifle or shotgun with a cartridge in a magazine or clip attached to the gun.
III. No person shall have in or on a boat or other craft while being propelled by mechanical power, or in a boat or other craft being towed by a boat or other craft propelled by mechanical power, a cocked crossbow, a loaded rifle or loaded shotgun, or a rifle or shotgun with a cartridge in a magazine or clip attached to the gun.
IV. The provisions of this section shall not apply to law enforcement officers carrying guns in the line of duty.
QuoteIV. The provisions of this section shall not apply to law enforcement officers carrying guns in the line of duty.
"line of duty" ::)
plaaa lease.
You could ask Whip about the backpack nukes.