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New Hampshire Underground => Forum Issues => Topic started by: Kat Kanning on July 10, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT

Title: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Kat Kanning on July 10, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT
Apparently these people complained that their web page was copied and posted on the forum:

http://www.goccp.com/ENG/secondcitizen.HTM

::)

Webhost threatened to shut us down for violating copyright laws. How lame.  ::)
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: doobie on July 10, 2008, 08:15 AM NHFT
Did they use the name NH Underground without your permission?  If so they are violating your copyright.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Kat Kanning on July 10, 2008, 08:20 AM NHFT
I don't have or want a copyright.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Jitgos on July 10, 2008, 11:47 AM NHFT
Are you in a position to be able to move web hosts if the need arises? Do you back up the database and all that? Just wondering. If not I'm sure there are some free staters that could help you set up an automatic backup for times like this. I'd offer myself, but it's been a few years since I've dealt with all that so there's probably better services available now. Peace.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: error on July 10, 2008, 12:15 PM NHFT
And these assholes complained to your web host with the threat of the force of law, instead of contacting you to ask politely that you remove it? It's ostracism time for these jackasses!
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 10, 2008, 12:27 PM NHFT
it would be nice to have a server with people who do not enforce "intellectual property rights"

this was for a 2 year old forum post ... they must have extra time on their hands

exactly error .... the passport company and our server place could have asked us about the forum post
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Kat Kanning on July 10, 2008, 12:31 PM NHFT
I wonder how ISPs became enforcers for the state?
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: error on July 10, 2008, 01:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 10, 2008, 12:31 PM NHFT
I wonder how ISPs became enforcers for the state?

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. >:(
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on July 10, 2008, 01:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: 'error'The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998

DMCA helped, but I've personally always been more weary of the fact that the US Department of Commerce runs IANA and has far to much sway over ICANN. No datacenter wants their IP blocks revoked and domain registrations delisted.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Kat Kanning on July 10, 2008, 02:14 PM NHFT
Yeah, that's what they were citing, dmca.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: mackler on July 10, 2008, 02:35 PM NHFT
You should preemptively switch providers.  That would make them think twice before they take sides with the people who aren't paying them.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: doobie on July 10, 2008, 04:19 PM NHFT
I could be wrong but doesn't the DMCA provide guidelines for to fine the so called copyright owner, if their claims turn out to be bogus?
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Kat Kanning on July 10, 2008, 04:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on July 10, 2008, 02:35 PM NHFT
You should preemptively switch providers.  That would make them think twice before they take sides with the people who aren't paying them.

I've already paid til the end of the year, so not so dramatic.  :-\  I'll probably wind up switching then.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: error on July 10, 2008, 06:13 PM NHFT
I still think setting up a very publicized boycott of the service in question here might be useful.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on July 10, 2008, 10:56 PM NHFT
What kinds of transfer does this forum get?

I'd chip in to help offset the transfer costs if it means finding a host that won't bend to threats from goons hiding behind the government thugs.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: William on July 11, 2008, 12:08 AM NHFT
I know a guy if you need one. http://www.liquidcomputer.com/

He's good people and has taken heat for me on two occasions when I was threatened with lawsuits.

He currently hosts both of my websites.

http://www.bullseyepoker.com/

http://www.exmeasententia.com/

Yes, the second one needs to be updated. I figure it'll get a major overhaul this winter when don't want to set foot outside.

Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 11, 2008, 06:27 AM NHFT
I agree error. It is amazing how some people go straight to threats.

The service has worked ok and it has been cheap. We bought a whole year for not very much. It is just a pain for Kat to switch over. Since she will be doing it sometime ... we could find someone better and start working with them.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 11, 2008, 06:34 AM NHFT
Quote from: William on July 11, 2008, 12:08 AM NHFT
I know a guy if you need one. http://www.liquidcomputer.com/
He's good people and has taken heat for me on two occasions when I was threatened with lawsuits.
cool
Kat needs basic access and stuph, so maybe she can ask you questions or check them out.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on July 17, 2008, 07:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 10, 2008, 12:27 PM NHFT
it would be nice to have a server with people who do not enforce "intellectual property rights"

This is what I'm targeting with the hosting business I'm doing now. You can see the list of the sites I'm currently hosting here (http://www.eprci.com/). If you're still looking for a new hosting provider when your current contract runs out, let me know.

I wouldn't be able to guarantee that I could stand in the way of these takedown threats—I'm just a hosting provider, and have my own upstreams (the datacenter, IP block owner) who could cut the site off, too. But if I receive complaints about sites I host, I'd pass them along to the site owner, along with whatever I can do to help them fight it. Very often the complaints are completely unfounded or were automatically generated by web spiders run by "intellectual property" holders, and very often the hosting company and/or customer has no idea that they can actually fight them without getting shut down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCILLA

Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 10, 2008, 12:27 PM NHFT
this was for a 2 year old forum post ... they must have extra time on their hands

Probably showed up in a Google search. A lot of companies who rely on "intellectual property" use spiders or hire people to do web searches for their content so they can see if they need to sue anyone today.
Title: Re: NH Underground threatened with shutdown
Post by: error on July 17, 2008, 07:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on July 17, 2008, 07:20 PM NHFT
Very often the complaints are completely unfounded or were automatically generated by web spiders run by "intellectual property" holders,

I just block these whenever I find them. Solves a lot of problems.