Hey, my parents are mean to me, too, just like AnarchoJesse's dad is mean to him. They've been mean to me for the last 22 years, and they did something really mean to me today, and I decided that I don't want to live with them anymore.
I have a car, money, and stuff like that, so can I run away to Keene to the Free State Project like AnarchoJesse did? Can you guys help me find a place to live? Please? I promise I will be a good libertarian and help Dave Ridley and Lauren Canario break silly, unjust, and authoritarian laws.
You don't seem to have the right personality and temperament to do something like that.
Quote from: error on July 23, 2008, 07:13 PM NHFT
You don't seem to have the right personality and temperament to do something like that.
Yeah, I real libertarian wouldn't ask permission.
Quote from: Luke on July 23, 2008, 06:34 PM NHFT
Hey, my parents are mean to me, too, just like AnarchoJesse's dad is mean to him. They've been mean to me for the last 22 years, and they did something really mean to me today, and I decided that I don't want to live with them anymore.
I have a car, money, and stuff like that, so can I run away to Keene to the Free State Project like AnarchoJesse did? Can you guys help me find a place to live? Please? I promise I will be a good libertarian and help Dave Ridley and Lauren Canario break silly, unjust, and authoritarian laws.
How old are you? ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on July 23, 2008, 07:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 23, 2008, 06:34 PM NHFT
Hey, my parents are mean to me, too, just like AnarchoJesse's dad is mean to him. They've been mean to me for the last 22 years, and they did something really mean to me today, and I decided that I don't want to live with them anymore.
I have a car, money, and stuff like that, so can I run away to Keene to the Free State Project like AnarchoJesse did? Can you guys help me find a place to live? Please? I promise I will be a good libertarian and help Dave Ridley and Lauren Canario break silly, unjust, and authoritarian laws.
How old are you? ;D
two... ;D
And the winner of today's Unclear on the Concept Award IS....
If you have to ask, the answer is "no".
But seriously... Luke, don't ask strangers on a website to tell you what to do over such an important decision.
You must look into your heart... and do what you think is right.
Friday and others: No no no, that's not what I meant. What I meant is if I wanted to move to NH, would you guys help me to find a place to move to like you did with all those other people.
:D
Sincerity might be an issue. ;)
Quote from: Luke on July 23, 2008, 10:29 PM NHFT
Friday and others: No no no, that's not what I meant. What I meant is if I wanted to move to NH, would you guys help me to find a place to move to like you did with all those other people.
Luke, I'm not sure that's accurate to think that "all those other people" got help finding a place to live in New Hampshire. Anyway, there are better resources available now than there were when I moved here. Check out http://porcmanor.com/ , if you want to rent a room in a house with other Free Staters. Or you can always use rent.com or craigslist.org if you want to get your own place.
Quote from: Friday on July 23, 2008, 11:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 23, 2008, 10:29 PM NHFT
Friday and others: No no no, that's not what I meant. What I meant is if I wanted to move to NH, would you guys help me to find a place to move to like you did with all those other people.
Luke, I'm not sure that's accurate to think that "all those other people" got help finding a place to live in New Hampshire. Anyway, there are better resources available now than there were when I moved here.
Covered Wagon
Luke at 22, you wouldn't be running away.
If your relationship with your parents is changing because you are beginning to guestion the status quo you shouldn't be surprised. None of my business, but if you can't get along with them, try telling them you love them, they are your parents. They may find it hard to accept that you can disagree with someone and not always have to exert control over that person...many people do and after all you did until lately.
Echoing what others have inferred...if you want to do something, don't ask for permission. If you want
people to like you here, there is to my knowledge no "official seal of approval". Some might come to accept you and others won't.
It would probably be healthier for you all the way 'round to NOT be living with your parents at age 22. Spread your wings and fly, Luke. Not that you can't do it later in life in various ways, but now is the perfect opportunity...you haven't accumulated the 'baggage' that seems to pile up in your life as you age...so your 'flight' will be so much easier.
Want to find a place to live...get out here and start meeting people and looking around.
We'll put you up in the troll house.
Luke, you don't even know Jesse's situation. He's an adult and he wasn't living at home so he wasn't "running away". He'd already decided to move to NH to join the FSP and his dad used that as an excuse to try to declare him insane. He didn't use that word but "harm to himself or others" is a tactful way of saying he thinks he's insane. His dad used his connections in the police force to cut Jesse off from his own property. It sounds like Jesse probably shouldn't have even told his dad he was moving out of state but maybe he didn't have good reason to believe his dad would over-react the way he did.
That fact that you're like 22 years old and talking about running away from home because your parents are "mean to you" makes you sound incredibly juvenile and immature. The term "running away" applies to children who are not capable of supporting themselves. Even according to the arbitrary laws of our statist overlords, once you're 18 years old, you're parents have no legal say in whether you leave or not. Sheesh. ::) My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.
Or he's just some troll. Which is more likely.
Quote from: dalebert on July 24, 2008, 12:20 PM NHFT
::) My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.
I agree with most everything you wrote, Dale, but not with the above. Luke needs to get out into the world and open his eyes & ears. Folks on here need to meet Luke...maybe he just can't express himself well with the written word...so, come to NH for a visit Luke.
Luke is a troll. He claims to be reformed, but it's clear he is not.
Quote from: Jan on July 24, 2008, 01:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on July 24, 2008, 12:20 PM NHFT
::) My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.
I agree with most everything you wrote, Dale, but not with the above. Luke needs to get out into the world and open his eyes & ears. Folks on here need to meet Luke...maybe he just can't express himself well with the written word...so, come to NH for a visit Luke.
I don't agree with
any of what they wrote.
It's just another clever jab that uses absurd, illogical statements to take me out of context and repackage me into something completely different, accompanied by the ever-present "Luke is a troll" broken record brigade. They've been doing it ever since I showed up on this forum, and frankly I don't ever expect them to stop. Oh well. Looks like I'm just going to have to set the facts straight once again:
First of all, you don't "become ready" to be an adult whenever you darn well please. That's nothing but psychobabble feel-good gobbledygook that was invented by shrinks and social engineers, partly for the purpose of increasing the societally-recognized age line between childhood and adulthood, which was done partly for the purpose of increasing the size of government, because when you have more "children", you have more government, something which all of you are supposedly against.
Anyhow, you become an adult when you hit a certain biological stage, and once you've hit that biological stage, then you become an adult. That is a biological fact, not a psychobabble fiction.
QuoteThe term "running away" applies to children who are not capable of supporting themselves. Even according to the arbitrary laws of our statist overlords, once you're 18 years old, you're parents have no legal say in whether you leave or not.
Your so-called "application" of the term "running away" is contradictory in and of itself. If they couldn't support themselves, then logically they wouldn't be able to successfully run away, now would they?
If they
are underage according to the "statist overlords", and they
do run away, then usually what happens round here is that the parents call the police, the police looks for them, finds them or not, and if they find them, hauls them back from wherever the new place they decided to live is, back to where their parents want them to live. Which basically confirms that they successfully ran away and successfully supported themselves for however long they ran away.
QuoteSheesh. Roll Eyes My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.
And my impression based on yours is that you should go back to drawing anarchy boogey-men. :P
Luke, you come across as hostile to a lot of people on the forum, so serious or not, people are going to naturally be reluctant to help you.
That said, Keene isn't the only place to persue liberty activism in NH. I know you're a big fan of gun rights, and right now the open carry guys are doing a LOT of gun rights activism in Manchester. I gather than the eastern part of the state is a bit more conservative Republican/libertarian (minarchist) based while Keene (and increasingly Grafton) are more for the voluntaryist anarchist types. I'm certainly not telling you where to go, but a big part of the moving to New Hampshire is to be surrounded by like minded people and you're not really getting that by jumping into the anarchist hotbeds. :P
Oh, fear not, voluntaryists, there is plenty of room for you in Manchester. :)
Quote from: 'error'Oh, fear not, voluntaryists, there is plenty of room for you in Manchester.
I'm actually being serious. It might be obvious I'm both a voluntaryist and aiming for Keene, but I consider myself in an uneasy alliance with anyone willing to promote liberty. Otherwise, I'd rip my already fleeting hair out listening to Mark every day. :P
Again, in seriousness, sitting in Vendetta with my wife and a handful of liberty minded folk was one of the defining moments of my life, seriously. It was the first time I really felt a part of a group and could let my guard down and it was because of the kinship and meeting of the minds. It's a damn powerful thing. This forum here, by virtue of being non-political, tends to attract anarchists of some kind, or at the very least, those who have lost faith in the government as a means to achieving liberty. Luke may be trolling, or he may seriously be coming to see liberty as something he wants to work for. I'll reserve my judgement on exactly which, but I'll toss out my opinions and ideas on the assumption that he's serious.
You should drop by Taproom Tuesday sometime. We have quite the eclectic mix. :) Manchester has become the place for many people who think that both out-of-system and in-system activism would be more effective when they complement each other and when we work together despite this particular item of disagreement.
That and we know how to drink copious quantities of beer!
Quote from: Kevin Dean on July 25, 2008, 11:37 AM NHFT
Luke, you come across as hostile to a lot of people on the forum, so serious or not, people are going to naturally be reluctant to help you.
That said, Keene isn't the only place to persue liberty activism in NH. I know you're a big fan of gun rights, and right now the open carry guys are doing a LOT of gun rights activism in Manchester. I gather than the eastern part of the state is a bit more conservative Republican/libertarian (minarchist) based while Keene (and increasingly Grafton) are more for the voluntaryist anarchist types. I'm certainly not telling you where to go, but a big part of the moving to New Hampshire is to be surrounded by like minded people and you're not really getting that by jumping into the anarchist hotbeds. :P
Kevin Dean, thank you for that information. Kevin, no I'm not an anarchist. But I like when Dave Ridley and Lauren Canario and the Kannings break the unreasonable laws.
I know that for a lot of you, being around people that think like you was a big part of moving to NH. This is a big rationale for a lot of people who move nowadays to various places, and America is becoming a lot more ideologically stratified. A lot of people embrace this as a good thing, but as for me I am used to being surrounded by people who aren't of the same ideology as me, and although it can be frustrating at times, I feel like if I were surrounded by people who thought exactly the same as me, I would be hearing the same thing over and over again, and I would be preaching to the choir every time I opened my mouth. I believe that being around people with different ideas than my own and hearing them can often be thought provoking and part of the learning process.
What I see as necessary is stopping a growing police state and stopping the growth of UN dominion and the shrinkage of American sovereignty. This should be the concern of all ideologies: conservatives, liberals, and libertarians.
Oh, and by the way, I talked to Denis Goddard, and Denis was very reasonable and helpful. So it's not true that people aren't going to help me.
I disagree that I have been confrontational. I might have said a few confrontational things, yes, but I have received far more confrontation than I have dished out. Also I disagree that confrontation is necessarily a bad thing. It can often be interesting and thought provoking
looks like Luke has been invited to Manchester with open arms ... boy that was a close one :tiphat:
Dudes, you want to help some guy who's going to turn people in for smoking pot?! WTF?
Actually it was Kevin Dean I was inviting to Manchester, not Luke.
aha ... much better
Quote from: error on July 26, 2008, 11:01 PM NHFT
Actually it was Kevin Dean I was inviting to Manchester, not Luke.
Good point of clarification!
QuoteActually it was Kevin Dean I was inviting to Manchester, not Luke
:bdance2:
Not the Dancing Banana Man!!??
Ok, so by the looks of things, I guess the answer is that the Free State Project only wants anarchists to go to Keene. :( Oh well. At least I asked.
Luke, go to Keene, or anywhere you choose...that's freedom. Don't expect everybody to welcome you with open arms...that's freedom too. You don't need the endorsement or the permission of the FSP to promote liberty.
It's nice to be liked but I wouldn't get so hung up about it that you lose sight of the big picture.
So even if good people that are fighting for freedom have reasons to reject you, you shouldn't reject the idea that freedom is worth fighting for....None of us are perfect, we can't control what we've done in the past, but we can try to shape the future. Despite any good deeds you perform in the future, you may have to accept that certain people are never going to trust you, that's life.
Quote from: 'Luke'Ok, so by the looks of things, I guess the answer is that the Free State Project only wants anarchists to go to Keene.
That assumes way to much. Firstly, if you want the opinion of the Free State Project, write to the head of the FSP. Otherwise, you're getting the opinion of Free State Project members. The Free State Project's aim to to get 20,000 liberty loving activists to move to New Hampshire. You don't need to be an anarchist and you dont' need to move to Keene to do that.
The Free State Project doesn't want people going to any specific thing. They dont' even say publicly which kind of activism they endorse. This is, believe it or not, actually something a lot of anarchists (and I use the term loosely to encompass many people) criticize the FSP for.
Not everyone here is fond of the Free State Project, though most everyone here is fond of the aim of the FSP. By assuming anything a particular member says is "the opinion of the FSP" is wrong, both in the sense that they don't represent the FSP and in the sense that not everyone in the FSP agrees.
Quote from: 'Luke'Oh well. At least I asked.
You've burnt bridges. A lot of people think you're an asshole. People aren't reluctant to help you because they don't want you moving to Keene because you're not an anarchist. People are reluctant because you've called them "scum" and "criminals" and said they deserve to be put into slave labor camps. Whatever epiphanies you may have had, as much as you regret not having them now, you'd burnt bridges within THIS community, and before you have any realistic expectation of people wanting to aid you freely you'll need to make up for that.
Quote from: Kevin Dean on July 28, 2008, 12:49 PM NHFT
You've burnt bridges. A lot of people think you're an asshole. People aren't reluctant to help you because they don't want you moving to Keene because you're not an anarchist. People are reluctant because you've called them "scum" and "criminals" and said they deserve to be put into slave labor camps. Whatever epiphanies you may have had, as much as you regret not having them now, you'd burnt bridges within THIS community, and before you have any realistic expectation of people wanting to aid you freely you'll need to make up for that.
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps), then what about all those people who knowingly vote people into office who keep the status quo wrt income tax slavery, and Social Security tax slavery, and UN slavery? What about Highline, who is a police officer, supposedly one of the "enemy" in your book? What about Jan, who voted straight-ticket Democrat for 30 years?
I think your real problem with me is you don't like it when I point out the holes in your anarcho-capitalist theories. And you don't like it when I point out that I have worked in Detroit for 3 summers in a real bad area and I know that libertarians aren't telling the whole truth about drugs. I will admit that the establishment wasn't telling the whole truth about drugs, either, but neither are you.
Having somebody come on here and tell you that you are wrong in some areas and provide reasons why is probably an experience that you have not had before, so when it first happens, your response is to "shoot the messenger".
Kat told me I was never banned from here. I'm not convinced of the truth of that statement. Although I tried to get on here more than a few times during the past couple months, I absolutely could not get on no matter what I did until recently. Oh, and I tried on my dad's computer a couple times, and I could not get on from that computer either. It would just give blank fields whenever I tried to sign in, and do nothing. And I know somebody changed my name to "Narc" a couple times, and put "Nazi shithead" in my signature. So I'm not convinced that I wasn't banned. Especially since my last couple posts before I couldn't get on again were a little more hard-edged than usual. (Just for the record, I'm not saying that Kat banned me and then said she didn't, it could have been one of the other admins that banned me and didn't tell Kat so she didn't know.)
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
I will admit that the establishment wasn't telling the whole truth about drugs, either, but neither are you.
Are you still willing to put people who haven't hurt anyone in prison?
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
It would just give blank fields whenever I tried to sign in, and do nothing.
This happens to me often at work. Or I do log in, but then am logged out within a few clicks. I had to lower my cookie security to make it through. I'm not sure if NHFree was listed as higher risk for a short time that may have prevented you from logging in correctly.
Quote from: Coconut on July 31, 2008, 10:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
I will admit that the establishment wasn't telling the whole truth about drugs, either, but neither are you.
Are you still willing to put people who haven't hurt anyone in prison?
No.
Quote from: CoconutQuote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
It would just give blank fields whenever I tried to sign in, and do nothing.
This happens to me often at work. Or I do log in, but then am logged out within a few clicks. I had to lower my cookie security to make it through. I'm not sure if NHFree was listed as higher risk for a short time that may have prevented you from logging in correctly.
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)
Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)
I no longer wonder if Luke's just pretending.
Quote from: Brandon on July 31, 2008, 10:23 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)
Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?
It was something I proposed two months ago. I don't really believe in it anymore, I was just trying to use it as an example in a hypothetical.
A community service work site is just what it is. It's a place where people who have been sentenced to community service go to in order to carry out the community service that they have been sentenced to.
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 10:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: Brandon on July 31, 2008, 10:23 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)
Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?
It was something I proposed two months ago. I don't really believe in it anymore, I was just trying to clarify.
A community service work site is just what it is. It's a place where people who have been sentenced to community service go to in order to carry out the community service that they have been sentenced to.
Sounds like they're being forced to labor in a camp.
Quote from: Brandon on July 31, 2008, 10:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 10:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: Brandon on July 31, 2008, 10:23 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)
Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?
It was something I proposed two months ago. I don't really believe in it anymore, I was just trying to clarify.
A community service work site is just what it is. It's a place where people who have been sentenced to community service go to in order to carry out the community service that they have been sentenced to.
Sounds like they're being forced to labor in a camp.
Well we have that nowadays, don't we? What about people who have to pick up trash by the side of the highway because they've been sentenced to community service? Is that a "camp" in your book, too?
Sure they're being forced to labor, though not necessarily in a camp, or a plantation. Our modern slaveholders have a wide range of options, and sometimes they'll even let us little slaves choose among some of them! We have the nicest masters in the whole world!
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 10:37 PM NHFT
A community service work site is just what it is.
Work site.
Und Arbeit macht frei, nicht wahr?
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 10:41 PM NHFT
Well we have that nowadays, don't we? What about people who have to pick up trash by the side of the highway because they've been sentenced to community service? Is that a "camp" in your book, too?
Yes, that can certainly be considered a camp. And trying to justify it because it currently exists is asinine.
Quote from: errorSure they're being forced to labor, though not necessarily in a camp, or a plantation. Our modern slaveholders have a wide range of options, and sometimes they'll even let us little slaves choose among some of them! We have the nicest masters in the whole world!
Wow. You know, I like you guys, but you guys have got the most extreme views I have ever seen out of anybody in my entire life.
Quote from: 'Luke'If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps), then what about all those people who knowingly vote people into office who keep the status quo wrt income tax slavery, and Social Security tax slavery, and UN slavery?
Operative word being "knowingly", they're aggressors. I believe the vast majority of people are not sociopaths and merely do not see that the government is violence. Those people, I want to help. I view "belief in government" as a social disease. Some people, after seeing the government as violence still support it and those people sicken me.
Quote from: 'Luke'What about Highline, who is a police officer, supposedly one of the "enemy" in your book?
What about him? He's still perpetrating violence against others. What more needs to be said in regard to that?
Quote from: 'Luke'What about Jan, who voted straight-ticket Democrat for 30 years?
People make mistakes. People fail. Myself included who voted Democrat my entire life, with the single exception of voting Ron Paul in the 2008 Primaries. People make bad choices, and they have responsibility to the people they harm as a result of those choice.
Does Jan STILL vote Democrat? That's the important part. Someone who sees that they are wrong and corrects that is fine in my book. People who do wrong and proudly flaunt it... not so much. Jan
voted Democrat - do you
still endorse your slave labor camps?
You can call it what you will. When you use violence against people and demand they use their labor in a fashion inconsistant with what they'd freely choose, you're a slave master. Call it a "community service camp" or a "Love Building Seminar" or "National Service" or "Purple Ponies Farting Rainbows" I dont' care. It's slavery and it's sick.
Quote from: 'Luke'I think your real problem with me is you don't like it when I point out the holes in your anarcho-capitalist theories.
Actually, no. I'm fairly sure of the consistancy of my position. My problem with you is that you support violence against others and claim to be thinking of "liberty". I've been very clear, biased or not, I have animosity towards neo-conservative ideologies because I grew up as a liberal. I've NEVER understood what can compel people to kill other people and think it's good. The idea that people benefit from being shoved into a cage and forcefully removed from their families is foreign to me. As a liberal, war sickened me. As a libertarian, war sickened me. As an anarchist or volutaryist or whatever, war sickens me. The "problem" I have with you is that regardless of the viewpoints I've held that led me to beleive using violence against others is wrong, you cling to the idea that violence against others is not only "needed" but "good". You're welcome to claim all the fallacies you want in that egocentric viewpoint but I'll take being "selfish" or "inconsistant" in your view if it means not condoning violence.
Quote from: 'Luke'And you don't like it when I point out that I have worked in Detroit for 3 summers in a real bad area and I know that libertarians aren't telling the whole truth about drugs.
Not to take a pin to that pristine bubble of experience there, but you're not the only one to have experienced Detroit and the surrounding area. I grew up in that area. I've PMed you a while back about protecting gun rights and you mentioned "venturing out of the snooty suburbs". If you live in Bloomfield Hills or Farmington or Livonia or whatever, there's drugs too. There are Meth addicts in Redford and Potheads in Novi. There are crack addicts on the East side of Detroit and I'm sure you can find someone sucking dick for some heroine on the west side. Libertarians means absolutely NOTHING. I am not a libertarian. I say simply say "You own your body."
I'll be the first to admit, I cringe when I hear people advocate for legalization of drugs because "alcohol is worse". To me, that's as much an arguement to criminalize alcohol as to legalize pot. Let's move past that. Drugs will destroy your body. They will alter you mental state. They're addictive and to some addicts they destroy lives. I'll concede those points.
Now, let's get to the real issue. If I want to put sugar in my body, you have no right to tell me I can not. It is my body. If you want to shove your penis into my body, you can not - it is my body. If you want to tell my wife she can't have an abortion - you can not. It's her body. If you want to tell me I can't smoke cannabis, you can not - it's my body.
I own my body, you have no right to it. Do you dispute this claim?
Quote from: 'Luke'I will admit that the establishment wasn't telling the whole truth about drugs, either, but neither are you.
See my point above. Not that it matters but I've quit smoking tobacco because it harmed my body. I consume alcohol and love being drunk, but I choose not to smoke cannabis because it makes me feel out of control of my body and that's not a feeling I enjoy. You can take that "you're not telling the truth" arguement and shove it because I'm not going to sit here and pretend that drugs are harmless and I never have. I argue legalization from the perspective that I own my body and you have no right to dictate what goes into it.
Quote from: 'Luke'Having somebody come on here and tell you that you are wrong in some areas and provide reasons why is probably an experience that you have not had before
I admitted to voting Democrat. I'm well aware I've been wrong before! Being wrong makes me nothing less, but when I learn from it, I do become something more. I hold no fear of being wrong.
Quote from: 'Luke'Kat told me I was never banned from here. I'm not convinced of the truth of that statement. Although I tried to get on here more than a few times during the past couple months, I absolutely could not get on no matter what I did until recently. Oh, and I tried on my dad's computer a couple times, and I could not get on from that computer either.
Speaking from a technical standpoint, you could have been banned via IP address which would have been ineffective once you tried logging on from your dad's computer. You could have also been banned via username. You weren't banned, since your username was still appearing in the userlist. Look at Shane Maxfield and Highline... They were driven off the board. Quite simply, until about yesterday I avoided sgtUSMC and could have used these forums entirely without interacting with him.
If people hated you enough to ban you, why would they unban you? No, I think there may have been a technical issue or user error or whatever, but personal evidence tells me you weren't banned. Now, I may be wrong, some spiteful moderator may have banned you. Without meaning to sound offensive I simply think most people on these forums don't care enough about you to ban you when ignoring you in the profile requires equal effort and doesn't affect other people's ability to banter with you.
Quote from: 'Luke'And I know somebody changed my name to "Narc" a couple times, and put "Nazi shithead" in my signature
Now that's entirely possible, and I might even wager on whom it was. :)
Quote from: 'Luke'Well we have that nowadays, don't we? What about people who have to pick up trash by the side of the highway because they've been sentenced to community service?
If you read the anarcho-capitalist book "The Market For Liberty" you'll hear them discuss how in the free market, prisons would still exist. Granted, they'd be different but they'd exist.
I don't accept that load of crap. The justice system is one area where I even break from Ian's "ideologue" viewpoint... I hold that prison is unethical. Put blunty, if someone is a threat to you, I respect your right to eliminate that threat. If someone is not a threat to you, then you have no right to infringe their life, liberty or property. In that respect, I even depart from the "anarcho-capitalist" ideology.
Arguing that slave labor is okay since we currently have slave labor is about as stupid as arguing for a world government because the UN exists.
Quote from: 'Luke'Wow. You know, I like you guys, but you guys have got the most extreme views I have ever seen out of anybody in my entire life.
Indeed.
Quote from: 'Barry Goldwater'I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 11:12 PM NHFT
Wow. You know, I like you guys, but you guys have got the most extreme views I have ever seen out of anybody in my entire life.
Violence abroad - conservative
Violence at home - liberal
Violence against everyone - moderate
Violence against no one - extremist
EDIT on 8/4/08: I got this from a bumper sticker. Can't remember who said it but I'll post it when I can dig that sticker out of all that shit I packed and moved to Keene today. Meanwhile, I mis-quoted slightly and just corrected it.
Quote from: 'dalebert'Violence nowhere - extremist
Deep man. Deep.
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Violence everywhere - moderate, conservative, liberal
Violence nowhere - extremist
Also inaccurate.
Fixed.
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 11:12 PM NHFT
Quote from: errorSure they're being forced to labor, though not necessarily in a camp, or a plantation. Our modern slaveholders have a wide range of options, and sometimes they'll even let us little slaves choose among some of them! We have the nicest masters in the whole world!
Wow. You know, I like you guys, but you guys have got the most extreme views I have ever seen out of anybody in my entire life.
You haven't had much of a life, then, and should get out more.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on July 31, 2008, 11:51 PM NHFT
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Violence everywhere - moderate, conservative, liberal
Violence nowhere - extremist
Also inaccurate.
Fixed.
Accuracy at the expense of pithy phrasing.
And it's not entirely inaccurate: By and large, it's been the conservative party starting major wars recently, and the liberal party starting major nanny-state initiatives at home. Both parties do both, but not in equal measure, and they're certainly not perceived by the mainstream as such.
Quote from: error on July 31, 2008, 10:55 PM NHFT
Sure they're being forced to labor, though not necessarily in a camp, or a plantation. Our modern slaveholders have a wide range of options, and sometimes they'll even let us little slaves choose among some of them! We have the nicest masters in the whole world!
For a fee, they might even let you go back to your cubicle and work for them there.
Wow ... Luke has inspired Kevin Dean to "walls of text" (phrase picked up from JJ)
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kevin Dean on July 28, 2008, 12:49 PM NHFT
You've burnt bridges. A lot of people think you're an asshole. People aren't reluctant to help you because they don't want you moving to Keene because you're not an anarchist. People are reluctant because you've called them "scum" and "criminals" and said they deserve to be put into slave labor camps. Whatever epiphanies you may have had, as much as you regret not having them now, you'd burnt bridges within THIS community, and before you have any realistic expectation of people wanting to aid you freely you'll need to make up for that.
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps), then what about all those people who knowingly vote people into office who keep the status quo wrt income tax slavery, and Social Security tax slavery, and UN slavery? What about Highline, who is a police officer, supposedly one of the "enemy" in your book? What about Jan, who voted straight-ticket Democrat for 30 years?
My name is Jan and I voted straight-ticket Democrat for 30 years. I acknowledge I was wrong. At least I've seen the light, Luke, and I'm in "recovery" now. I admit I'd relapse and vote Democrat again if it was for a candidate like Joel Winters.
straight-ticket democrat for 30 years?
that could mean serious time in Shire purgatory
I accept my punishment Cardinal Kanning... :-[
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 09:16 PM NHFT
If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps), then what about...
Doh! I'll admit it, Luke, you had me going there for a bit.
Quote from: 'Russell Kanning'Luke has inspired Kevin Dean to "walls of text"
It doesn't take much, I'm long winded. :D
Quote from: dalebert on July 31, 2008, 11:39 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke on July 31, 2008, 11:12 PM NHFT
Wow. You know, I like you guys, but you guys have got the most extreme views I have ever seen out of anybody in my entire life.
Violence abroad - conservative
Violence at home - liberal
Violence everywhere - moderate
Violence nowhere - extremist
Careful, you might make too much sence, after all, there has got to be a hole in there somewhere, because Luke said there was.
I just corrected the original post. This is how it should read. I saw the bumper sticker today while I was packing my stuph. BTW, I'm officially a proud Keeniac now.
Violence abroad - conservative
Violence at home - liberal
Violence against everyone - moderate
Violence against no one - extremist
Is Keene ready for the Anarchy Muffin Man?
Quote from: Suzy Fuckin' HomemakerIs Keene ready for the Anarchy Muffin Man?
Oh snap, I didn't know there would be MUFFINS! If there was any doubt, Keene is for the winners. There's muffins and everything!
(http://www.monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/muffin.jpg)
I have a habit of experimenting when I bake and my last batch sucked (the ones for Mark's house-warming party), but I know what I did wrong and it won't happen again.
Quote from: dalebert on August 04, 2008, 11:04 PM NHFT
I have a habit of experimenting when I bake and my last batch sucked (the ones for Mark's house-warming party), but I know what I did wrong and it won't happen again.
I wonder...are you the only one that thought the batch sucked? I bet you're like my wife, being your own worst critic.
Quote from: Porcupine on August 05, 2008, 10:09 AM NHFT
I wonder...are you the only one that thought the batch sucked? I bet you're like my wife, being your own worst critic.
Besides my own subjective judgment, I can tell by how quickly they disappear and from what ppl say (or don't say). I was concerned as soon as the first batch fell in the middle and I had to cook them some more. At that point It's hard to get them cooked right.
Quote from: dalebert on August 04, 2008, 08:16 PM NHFT
I just corrected the original post. This is how it should read. I saw the bumper sticker today while I was packing my stuph. BTW, I'm officially a proud Keeniac now.
Congratulations! (Your profile says Stratham, FYI)
run away to Keene like Dale did .... bring muffins and we might let you live ... greenhorn :mf_farmer:
Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 09, 2008, 08:17 PM NHFT
run away to Keene like Dale did .... bring muffins and we might let you live ... greenhorn :mf_farmer:
Okay Russell, what is your favorite kind of muffin?
Quote from: dalebert on August 04, 2008, 08:16 PM NHFT
Violence abroad - conservative
Violence at home - liberal
Violence against everyone - moderate
Violence against no one - extremist
I have been quoting that to various people in the past week. :)