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Title: So much for global warming!
Post by: Raineyrocks on August 20, 2008, 08:44 AM NHFT
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientist-predicts-ice-age-within-10-years.html

Scientist Predicts Ice Age Within 10 Years

 
University of Mexico expert says lack of solar activity to cause significant cooling that will last over half a century

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, August 19, 2008

As evidence builds of the earth entering a dramatic cooling trend, another scientist has gone public with his conviction that we are about to enter a new ice age, rendering warnings about global warming fraudulent and irrelevant.

Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera of the Institute of Geophysics at the University of Mexico states that "In about ten years the Earth will enter a "little ice age" which will last from 60 to 80 years and may be caused by the decrease in solar activity," according to a report in the major Mexican newspaper Milenio Diario.

Herrera slammed the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) stance on global warming as "erroneous" because of their failure to factor in the impact of solar activity.

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The models and forecasts of the IPCC "is incorrect because only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity," said Herrera.

Herrera states that the earth is entering a natural phase of climate transition during which solar activity will diminish considerably, "so that in two years or so, there will be a small ice age that lasts from 60 to 80 years."

Herrera cited the growth in glaciers observed at the Andes, Perito Moreno, Logan, the highest mountain in Canada, and Franz-Josef Glacier, New Zealand.

A dramatic cooling trend is being observed across the planet even as people like Al Gore continue to claim that the threat of global warming mandates the poor and middle class be hit with CO2 taxes in order to prevent climate change.

Both anecdotal evidence and hard data indicates that the planet is in the beginning stages of a significant downturn in global temperatures.

Following the end of the Sun's most active period in over 11,000 years, the last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998 leveled out and are now plummeting.

China recently experienced its coldest winter in 100 years while northeast America was hit by record snow levels and Britain suffered its coldest April in decades as late-blooming daffodils were pounded with hail and snow on an almost daily basis. The British summer has also left many yearning for global warming, with temperatures in June and July rarely struggling to get over 16 degrees and on one occasion even dropping as low as 9 degrees in the middle of the afternoon.

"Summer heat continues in short supply, continuing a trend that has dominated much of the 21st Century's opening decade," reports the Chicago Tribune. "There have been only 162 days 90 degrees or warmer at Midway Airport over the period from 2000 to 2008. That's by far the fewest 90-degree temperatures in the opening nine years of any decade on record here since 1930."

The reason? Sunspot activity has dwindled. There have only been a handful of days in the past two months where any sunspot activity has been observed and over 400 spotless days have been recorded in the current solar cycle.

"The sun's surface has been fairly blank for the last couple of years, and that has some worried that it may be entering another Maunder minimum, the sun's 50-year abstinence from sunspots, which some scientists have linked to the Little Ice Age of the 17th century," reports one science blog.

Since the sun, and not carbon dioxide, is the principle driver of climate change, a dearth of sunspot activity would herald a repeat of the Maunder Minimum, the name given to the period roughly from 1645 to 1715, when sunspots became exceedingly rare and contributed to the onset of the Little Ice Age during which Europe and North America were hit by bitterly cold winters and the Thames river in London completely froze.

Long-time man-made global warming advocates NASA assure us that significant sunspot activity will return in 2012, but a recent a paper on recent solar trends by William Livingston and Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory in Tucson, predicts that sunspots will all but vanish after 2015.

As we reported last week, the Armagh observatory, which has been measuring sun cycles for over 200 years. predicts that global temperatures will drop by two degrees over the next 20 years as solar activity grinds to a halt and the planet drastically cools down, potentially heralding the onset of a new ice age.

"Based on the past Armagh measurements, this suggests that over the next two decades, global temperatures may fall by about 2 degrees C — that is, to a level lower than any we have seen in the last 100 years...."Temperatures have already fallen by about 0.5 degrees C over the past 12 months and, if this is only the start of it, it would be a serious concern," concludes David Watt.


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Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on August 20, 2008, 09:10 AM NHFT
"Global climate change"... jeeze, get up to speed with the PC lingo Rainey!!
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Raineyrocks on August 20, 2008, 09:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Porcupine on August 20, 2008, 09:10 AM NHFT
"Global climate change"... jeeze, get up to speed with the PC lingo Rainey!!

My bad!  Oh well at least it looks like I have 9 and 3/4 years left to get up to speed! ;D
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on August 20, 2008, 09:20 AM NHFT
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Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 20, 2008, 09:49 AM NHFT
It would be interesting to see his data since solar variation has only been measured at .1%, since we entered the space age.
One group trying to predict future temps from data of just over a century, and another trying to predict it from data of just three decades. Might as well toss a coin.

Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Sam A. Robrin on August 20, 2008, 02:54 PM NHFT
I know better than to speak out against the global warming movement.  As Shakespeare almost said, "con-science does make cowards of us all . . ."
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 20, 2008, 07:39 PM NHFT
Not really. Some of the best noted climate change experts have openly stated that anthropogenic effect is only one part of the overall equation... and that the AE can be in either direction (warmer/cooler). Some effects are localized, while others are not.
Anthropologist have noted that even ancient cultures understood anthropogenic effects on micro climate. But surmise that the human population was much too small to have a global impact.


Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on August 20, 2008, 08:00 PM NHFT
It occurred to me the other day, except for a few nights when it got warm during the day, I am sleeping with the same combination of flannel she et, wool blanket and quilt that I used all winter.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Pat K on August 21, 2008, 01:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on August 20, 2008, 08:00 PM NHFT
It occurred to me the other day, except for a few nights when it got warm during the day, I am sleeping with the same combination of flannel she et, wool blanket and quilt that I used all winter.


Old people feel colder. ;D
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on August 21, 2008, 06:24 AM NHFT
I guess 'old' came on recently ;D
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: lastlady on August 21, 2008, 11:00 AM NHFT
A must watch film.  :)

Global Warming or Global Governance?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3069943905833454241
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 21, 2008, 07:50 PM NHFT
August in NH is warm days, but cold mornings. Climate change is a much longer phenomena, so whether the predictions for 2100 is for ice age or rain forest doesn't really matter. The predicators will be long dead and won't have to live with ridicule.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: PattyLee loves dogs on August 21, 2008, 08:14 PM NHFT
QuoteThe predicators will be long dead and won't have to live with ridicule.

A predicator is the verb in its functional relation to the clause. (I only bring that up because John is supposed to be writing op-eds, not wasting time on forums  ;). We could chain him to a non-Internet-capable word processor, if it weren't for that darned 13th amendment.)

The predictors can still be subject to ridicule if we pay to have them stored at Alcor.org  ;D
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Pat McCotter on August 22, 2008, 02:04 AM NHFT
You could also enter one of your predictions at Long Bets (http://www.longbets.org). No, this isn't Alcor so you wouldn't be around if your prediction is after your lifetime.

PS: The reason for the 5 digit years on the Long Bets web site can be found at the Long Now Foundation (http://longnow.org/).
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: doobie on August 22, 2008, 06:20 AM NHFT
Duh.... didn't you hear, the democrats renamed "Global Warming" to "Global Climate Change."  Global Warming was so 90's.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 22, 2008, 07:33 AM NHFT
Quote from: telomerase on August 21, 2008, 08:14 PM NHFT
QuoteThe predicators will be long dead and won't have to live with ridicule.

A predicator is the verb in its functional relation to the clause. (I only bring that up because John is supposed to be writing op-eds, not wasting time on forums  ;). We could chain him to a non-Internet-capable word processor, if it weren't for that darned 13th amendment.)

The predictors can still be subject to ridicule if we pay to have them stored at Alcor.org  ;D

Nice catch. I was typing really fast, and not proof reading.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 22, 2008, 07:38 AM NHFT
I'm still having a tough time in my mind whether to refer to them as predictors (ha... spelled it correctly this time) or predators (my other thought). It seems that they are much more intent on making people afraid of the future for personal gain (government/corporate grants) than adding anything of value to science.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Pat McCotter on August 22, 2008, 08:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on August 22, 2008, 07:38 AM NHFT
I'm still having a tough time in my mind whether to refer to them as predictors (ha... spelled it correctly this time) or predators (my other thought). It seems that they are much more intent on making people afraid of the future for personal gain (government/corporate grants) than adding anything of value to science.

Bingo! It's "Publish or perish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publish_or_perish)!" with them, also.

Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on August 22, 2008, 07:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on August 20, 2008, 09:49 AM NHFT
Might as well toss a coin.

Exactly. I don't believe this any more than I do the global warming theories. Both theories just go to show that they don't nearly have enough data to be making accurate predictions about anything.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 23, 2008, 09:07 PM NHFT
I think the problem is more predicting the inputs accurately.
I would hate to fathom a guess (and yes it would only be a wild guess) as to the human population on the planet or their CO2 output in 2100.
Technology and innovation are much too big a variable.
Which is where I think Malthus made his mistake.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: john son on August 24, 2008, 11:47 AM NHFT
yes as you said the globule warming was increasing very much every one is seeing that how much the world was get developing but they are not taking care about the increasing of the pollution.As the factories get increasing and temperature is also get changing if it get increasing like this only what happens after some years can you imagine. :o ::)
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Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: Kat Kanning on August 24, 2008, 12:36 PM NHFT
Let that be a warning to all to stay away from drugs.
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: John Edward Mercier on August 24, 2008, 05:40 PM NHFT
Or to use a heck of a lot more. :D
Title: Re: So much for global warming!
Post by: dalebert on August 24, 2008, 10:16 PM NHFT
More spam.