I am highly disturbed by this. If I didn't believe NH was at least a little different, I think I would be trying to leave the country.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/30/police_raids/index.html
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/31/raids/index.html
Quote from the second link by Glenn Greenwald-
After all, if you don't want the FBI spying on you, or the Police surrounding and then invading your home with rifles and seizing your computers, there's a very simple solution: don't protest the Government. Just sit quietly in your house and mind your own business. That way, the Government will have no reason to monitor what you say and feel the need to intimidate you by invading your home. Anyone who decides to protest -- especially with something as unruly and disrespectful as an unauthorized street march -- gets what they deserve.
Just be quiet. That is a symptom of every police state I have ever heard of. That is so scary, because it is such a common sentiment. My mother would believe it.
I see stuph like that and I can't help but wonder what bizarre excuses they'll come up with to escalate tactics to "discourage" our peaceful activities. I continue to believe that the best protection we can have is to make everything as public and visible as possible so they can't get away with anything in secret.
I 100% agree. I have no real proof that being open about anything I do will 'protect' me, but my gut feeling is that it will help. Secresy breeds fear and suspicion. The statists that live in Keene may not like me, but hopefully they do not distrust me, or fear me. I feel a sence of security in being open and honest about my intentions.
We arrived today to find these stories in the news.
http://www.startribune.com/local/27703754.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUX
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/conventions/27716384.html?elr=KArksUUUU
http://www.startribune.com/27718294.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr
Those nazis are planning on using flash grenades. >:(
Quote from: David on September 01, 2008, 12:51 AM NHFT
Those nazis are planning on using flash grenades. >:(
Seems so. Here are some stories in another local paper.
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_10351505?nclick_check=1
They arrested a 78 year old nun. Look at the pics.
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_10350928
And at least locally, we get some press.
She is -"Betty McKenzie, a Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet nun who was one of nine people arrested during the march. "
There is a pic of her smiling at a jackboot.
I just realized, 100% of all the violence that has occured there, has been the police. The worse that any protester has done yet is cross a security fence. The human assumtion is that this aggressive action by the cops is a RE-action to actual violence, which appears to not be the case.
Forgot this one. :)
http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_10345218
Ron Paul "followers"? If it was any other candidate, they'd be referred to as "supporters". Looks like they're starting to put the cult spin on it.
A see a couple of those articles throw out the term anarchist. >:(
It really is a bad term to use these days.
The ignorance outweighs the actual definition.
same with freedom and liberty
I love the picture of the old lady smiling at the stormtrooper in his big helmet ... those guys should feel silly
Quote from: David on August 31, 2008, 11:53 PM NHFT
I 100% agree. I have no real proof that being open about anything I do will 'protect' me, but my gut feeling is that it will help. Secresy breeds fear and suspicion. The statists that live in Keene may not like me, but hopefully they do not distrust me, or fear me. I feel a sence of security in being open and honest about my intentions.
oh no ... the sencors are switching around our letters
Agree Zapher. People talk a lot about hitler, mao, stalin, but they are individuals. Behind them is thousands of devoted 'followers', and millions of passive supporters. That is what bothers me.
From The Agitator:
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/30/free-speech-in-america/
(http://www.theagitator.com/wp-content/uploads/denver.jpg)
They remind me of Stormtroopers in black.
(http://www.monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_09_02/medium/black-stormtrooper.png)
Quote from: David on September 01, 2008, 01:07 AM NHFT
I just realized, 100% of all the violence that has occured there, has been the police. The worse that any protester has done yet is cross a security fence.
I wish this were true. Unfortunately some of the protesters apparently turned to violence. According to http://www.startribune.com/politics/27736044.htm (http://www.startribune.com/politics/27736044.htm),
Quote...a few hundred protesters splintered off and became confrontational and sometimes violent. Some smashed windows at Macy's and a downtown bank building.
QuoteMembers of the Connecticut and Alabama delegations reported being attacked at one point by protesters. Connecticut delegate Rob Simmons told KMSP-TV that protesters tried to rip the credentials off delegates' necks and sprayed them with a toxic substance that burned their eyes. One 80-year-old delegate was treated for injuries, and several others had to rinse their eyes and clothing.
Also, retired Alabama Supreme Court Judge Terry Butts said about 100 protesters approached a delegation bus and one threw a brick through a window. Butts said the bus driver suffered cuts.
QuoteHarrington said the first illegal salvo happened about 11 a.m., when a Dumpster was shoved into an occupied squad car on W. 7th Street.
QuoteAt about 2 p.m., protesters dropped bent nails into the intersection at 6th and Wacouta Streets. A group of more than 200 tossed garbage cans and newspaper kiosks into the road. A few marchers broke off and threw objects, shattering three windows in a bank building at 4th and Minnesota Streets.
QuoteSome smashed three windows at Macy's. One person jumped up and down a few times on the roof of a parked police car before breaking its windows.
Now, this level of violence probably pales in comparison to what the police did -- in response or pre-emptively. The problem is that the average Joe who watches the evening news hears "anarchists", sees some footage of angry/bored teens and other young men smashing a window or lighting a fire, and associates that with protesting in general. Later when someone mentions the word "protest", average Joe immediately thinks of the punks with black bandanas over their faces causing trouble, and Joe begins to despise protesters. And naturally he sides with the police any time violence erupts during a protest. Soon average Joe thinks "protest" is a bad word, and all "protesters" are bad people.
Average Joe represents a large percentage of the population. My guess is 75% or so.
On another note, I don't believe much of what I read in the article I posted. I'm sure there's a kernel of truth to much of it. But when you see things like "so and so said a group of more than 200 people started throwing garbage cans..." -- don't believe it. Divide all the numbers in the article by 5 and you're probably closer to the mark. It's amazing/amusing to see numbers bandied about like they are. I don't think people necessarily mean to exaggerate as much as they do. But they do.
The listings for "Private Defense Services" in the local phonebook were quite sparse. :(
Protesting might even be more publically accepted... if they also attacked the DNC protesting about welfare, the demise of the family unit, increased taxation, and social restrictions.
But alas, the DNC is purposeful and good... ::)
Quote from: margomaps on September 02, 2008, 08:15 AM NHFT
the average Joe who watches the evening news hears "anarchists", sees some footage of angry/bored teens and other young men smashing a window or lighting a fire, and associates that with protesting in general. Later when someone mentions the word "protest", average Joe immediately thinks of the punks with black bandanas over their faces causing trouble, and Joe begins to despise protesters. And naturally he sides with the police any time violence erupts during a protest.
The only way to turn public opinion on this issue is for average Joe to get a little "visit" from his heroes, so he can see first-hand what he's advocating. Burning up those snitch lines is the way to go!