She's in court in Concord, apparently at 4:30. More details in the message attached.
Protest on Wednesday Sept 24, starting at noon at fedcourt in Concord. Trial at 1:30.
Waiting for updates. I can hardly imagine what they took her on. Not leaving when they asked her to?
Possibly about our IRS arrest. Will listen to 411 call now.
just uploaded a video about this , which links back to this thread.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on September 19, 2008, 04:04 PM NHFT
Possibly about our IRS arrest. Will listen to 411 call now.
Yep, that's what it was about. She has a court appearance Wednesday at 1:30, Jim says in the latest message.
Sure, come and get your camera back, so we can arrest you again!
here are some contacts you can complain to about this
Stephen Monier, Chief U.S. Marshal for NH
gary diMartino chief deputy u.s. marshall 55 pleasant st. concord nh 03301 603 225 1632
Fax: (603) 225-1633
Criminal Process (603) 225-1630
Yeah, just talked to Jim. They wouldn't let her go before the trial.
What jail is she in?
Roger and Jim don't know where Lauren was taken, so if anyone cares to call the fed marshals and find out, that would be helpful.
have i ever mentioned that i really hate the government? >:(
called marshals around 8p... got answering service, left message for Steve Monier:
"did you steal lauren canario AND her camera?"
They traded the camera for Lauren
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on September 19, 2008, 07:30 PM NHFT
They traded the camera for Lauren
Did they trade Lauren for the camera or did they offer to give the camera and then abducted Lauren?
They took lauren and then gave NoName Johnson the camera.
Lauren got put in the Dave Ridley memorial cell - it said nhfree.com
these people must be used to not sleeping at night.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 19, 2008, 04:13 PM NHFT
here are some contacts you can complain to about this
Stephen Monier, Chief U.S. Marshal for NH
gary diMartino chief deputy u.s. marshall 55 pleasant st. concord nh 03301 603 225 1632
Fax: (603) 225-1633
Criminal Process (603) 225-1630
You want me to give you Gary's cell phone #? >:D
I know several Keeniacs will want to go so we should arrange a car pool.
should we do a demonstration on monday at the fed building?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on September 19, 2008, 08:07 PM NHFTthe Dave Ridley memorial cell - it said nhfree.com
Keeps HOPE alive!
I will pray that Lauren not be mistreated, and that her kidnappers release her soon.
Lauren I hope you are released ASAP! I'm praying for your safety and that you are treated as the lady you are. I admire you greatly and can't thank you enough for all your acts of bravery and courage! I stand by you and support you!
FREE LAUREN NOW!!!!
What are the charges now?
One charge was failure to appear, and the other was from the original arrest I believe, so probably refusing to obey.
Re: demonstration Monday - sounds like a good idea.
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/219
Well done Kat. 8)
Weasels, thugs and sycophants are the creatures that inhabit the "Ministry of Love".
Many of the enforcers involved don't seem comfortable with treating Lauren this way. The villians appeared to be Gary "Aren't I a Nice Guy" DiMartino, the "Weasely Prosecutors" (don't know their names), and Judge Muirhead; who can't give her a fair trail from the comments he made at the hearing.
Come out and show your support for Lauren and take your opportunity to see what passes for "Justice" in America.
I will make plans to show up for Lauren's trial in my capacity as Cardinal of the Shire.
I think it will be good for Lauren to see many of her supporters on Wednesday.
This is pretty fucked up indeed. >:(
It would be helpful if everyone would query their local, state or federal authorities about Lauren Canario.
I think the most information could be garnered from the US Marshal's office. They seemed very friendly every time Lauren called to try and get her camera back... it was like, 18 times.
Anyone coming up from Manch Wednesday?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on September 20, 2008, 04:20 AM NHFT
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/219
Say what? She was originally ticketed for having the wrong face!? A V-for Vendetta mask that they didn't like seeing in their IRS Office in Keene? This reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode with "Beverly Hillbillies" co-star Donna Douglas (born: 26Sept.1933) as Janet Tyler (revealed), see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734568/ of 1960 for "Eye of the Beholder". Isn't that a rented space NOT owned by the Federal gov't? Then HOW can they have jurisdictional authority in Concord? at the Warren B. Rudman Federal Building! and especially when the Feds have no RSA Ch. 123:1 paperwork on file with Bill Gardner's Office of Secretary of State from 1-8-17 U.S. Const. Lauren: make them prove jurisdiction!
Isn't trespass a state crime? Then WHY didn't the Feds call the local COPs to come to have her arrested? For a trial in Keene District Court. Does this mean that on my PRIVATE property that if I catch a trespasser I can hold my own court for summary execution!? Of course not!
In N.H. we also have the RSA Ch. 627:8 right to use force to retake our property unlawfully taken. So when Lauren was arrested walking up the road to the Browns, again: just because the Feds claimed that area as some federal operation, they were on state soil, and so THEFT of the camera! Did Lauren ever file an RSA Ch. 637:__ theft charge in local district court there? I doubt it. And now the 1-year statute of limitations is up for a criminal action against the Feds, but not a civil action withIN three (3) years by RSA Ch. 508:4.
But back to the trespass charge for not leaving when asked: what did she do while there? Face forward and peering into the eyes of the workers dis-tracting them from their working? Did "they" ever ask her to do an "about face"? Yes: they did ask her to leave with her mask. but that she is entitled to be there between the operating hours of what? 9 to 5? WHEN did they arrest her? BEFORE 5:00 o'clock p.m.? IF so then they violated her freedom of association rights that are supposed to be a guarantee by the First Amendment to the United States Const. The right to associate with other victims that might cross the threshold there to their doom. The right to be in the public area of the office. And if the Feds don't like looking out the glass window(?) then why did they? Because Lauren was talking too, and told to shut up but didn't? There are a lot of unknowns here. And hopefully the trial will be THE place to assert them, but which court? is MY question!
IF the Federal court, then Lauren: you ought to know about the Don Boothe case #______ of a few years ago when "they" (the entire U.S. Senate) charged him with trespass for NOT leaving AFTER the 5:00 p.m. closing time at Sen. Judd Gregg's old office on the 1st floor of where he is still at the same building on North Main Street Concord to where we all ought to go to after the hearing to complain that he investigate this federal unlawfulness, clogging his parking lot until he provide us with an answer in writing signed by him and not some lackey that he WILL investigate! The clog to unclog like when the owner of The Prescription Center starts asking why his customers can't find a parking space in the same building, necessitating him to what: cordon off the parking lot into two sections for future business? But Don insisted on an "accounting" from his Senator that did over-ride any stahling tactic like: see you tomorrow, we're shutting the doors, and you've got to be on the OTHER side of the door. I write the over-ride word because guess who won the case? Don! aged: 80+ year originally from Canterbury, and now of Concord with the Quaker Peace Action on the 2nd floor at 4 Park Street, Concord, N.H. The Quakers a great bunch, and especially in the 1980s when I read a tract that a servant doffs his hat to his master, not vice versa, and so when to Concord District Court one day for driving without a license (re: Case 83-S-313 at Merrimack County that was nol prosed on appeal) the Bailiff refused to let me enter with my hat on, resulting in a default, and my appeal to the Supremes, thanks to John Alden Steele, Jr.'s excellent work as a paralegal citing the equal rights to women with their Easter Bonnets etc. So WHY not masks too?
Good luck Lauren. I'll be there for you @ 1:15 p.m. = fifteen minutes before then and to be a witness in courtroom #__ where I could again stand up with my hat on and call out to this Magistrate of: Point of Order, like I did to "Captain" Singal from Maine in the other case for Danny, Jason, Reno and Bob, but don't want to be escorted out of the courtroom by the Marshal "goons" again, and who knows? Maybe next time: arrested for disorderly conduct for calling a point or "order"!? Put in shackles and to the dungeon too* until AFTER Reno's case this Fri., Sept. 26th @ __:_ am/p.m. My case against the top goons Monier and DiMartino still in the court in Rhode Island as pulled there unlawfully from the Merrimack County Superior Court. So Lauren: YOU have the opportunity to make your own "point of order" of calling the Magistrate to prove jurisdiction, but will ANY of this information get to you BEFORE next Wednesday? A copy of this going out in the mail to you this morning for a postmark and delivery on Monday to wait and see if the Feds decide to put in on hold to you until AFTERward?
Best wishes, - Joe * arrested by Feds in Manchester at the Norris Cotton building a few years ago during a public auction for my friend Andy Tempelman of then Milford now Nashua for his Ram in the Thicket Restaurant for asking the I.R.S. a question BELIEVE IT OR NOT! put in handcuffs and taken to the basement and given a ticket too, but that dissolved as they knew they had no case.
I can't make Monday, but will be there for sure on Wed.
Do you think they'll try to arrest Kat if all of us are around?
Seems likely.
Perhaps the protest should be in advance of the "trial" on Wed, instead of Monday? It would seem turnout may be bigger if all attention is focused on one day.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on September 20, 2008, 11:35 AM NHFT
I can't make Monday, but will be there for sure on Wed.
Do you think they'll try to arrest Kat if all of us are around?
Answer: no! if on City property. THE sidewalk IS owned by the city. They/ the Federal "goons" have no jurisdiction there. If they capture her that way, then I'd be right over to the Merrimack County Superior Court putting in a claim to the Grand Jury for a Presentment of kidnapping against the federal officer(s) involved, with courtesy copy to the County Attorney who might like to substitute my Presentment with an Indictment. Also another copy to the Concord P.D. to see the Prosecutor for to file assault charges, and if not then to have exhausted that avenue too, to file them myself as a private prosecutor in Concord District Court. Giving the state gov't the opportunity to go after them for jail time, or by my way of a fine-only conviction possibility. Reference my case in Vol. ____ N.H. Reports ___ (198__) of State (by Haas) v.s. [James H.] Rollins (of Ashland, N.H.).
Yours truly, -- Joe
another video's up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlRgWrYsyE
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 20, 2008, 02:00 PM NHFT
another video's up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlRgWrYsyE
Thanks David, but that this freezes up a few times going to about 30 seconds taking several minutes never getting to the 3:30 end, plus I see the other related video over to http://trueworldhistory.info/ to check out the #__ videos there later.
- - Joe
P.S. For the original "Winchester Cathedral" song by The New Vaudeville Band, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv_RfFmJ5nA [starting about 3 minutes into the video)
Do you REALLY think they care about the law or their jurisdiction??
Quote from: FTL_Ian on September 20, 2008, 11:35 AM NHFT
Do you think they'll try to arrest Kat if all of us are around?
Yes. The feds still have a legal dispute with her. It would be wise to have a camera(s) near Kat if she goes. Catch the thugs on film doing what they do best.
:'( Lauren.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on September 20, 2008, 01:12 PM NHFT
Perhaps the protest should be in advance of the "trial" on Wed, instead of Monday? It would seem turnout may be bigger if all attention is focused on one day.
Yeah Wed. is the time for me. The court room is the party for Lauren. We don't know when we will be able to speak with her again.
Talk to her before the trail. Ask her if they are keeping her in a cold cell. That is the description I have heard from more than one source.
Try to make her and her friends smile or even laugh. That is the best we can do for our friend.
Quote from: JosephSHaas on September 20, 2008, 09:55 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on September 20, 2008, 04:20 AM NHFT
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/219
...A copy of this going out in the mail to you this morning for a postmark and delivery on Monday...
Yes, it was mailed at about 11:15 a.m. in a white #10 envelope.
Plus in a 9x12-inch brown envelope I did also mail to Lauren First Class (costing a 90-cent stamp, and an additional 27-cent postcard rate stamp) to equal $1.17, today's 20-page "The Laconia Daily Sun" newspaper (Vol. 9, No. 94) See http://laconiadailysun.com/
Yours truly, - - Joe
Jim, Free Minds TV is the same day as the trial. I'd like to be at the trial, but should I help at the station instead since they'll be without Lauren? Nick suggested they shoot the show on location in Concord. *shrug*
I will be available on Wednesday in the fed court to hear federal employee confessions.
As Cardinal of the Shire I cannot offer them much, but maybe it can be the first step towards a new life. :)
Joe, you're sending mail to Lauren? Where is she being held?
ok then, sounds like wednesday is the thing to do
Quote from: dalebert on September 21, 2008, 12:19 AM NHFT
Jim, Free Minds TV is the same day as the trial. I'd like to be at the trial, but should I help at the station instead since they'll be without Lauren? Nick suggested they shoot the show on location in Concord. *shrug*
Dude, FMTV should totally shoot on location. Lauren is an important part of their show. The feds have stolen their Director!
>:(
What: Anti-Federal protest, possible arrest
When: 12:00 p.m. 9/24/08, court appearance scheduled ninety minutes later. Activity will probably continue till around 2:30p.
Where: 55 Pleasant Street, Concord NH ... 1 block east of U.S. District Court ... aka Pleasant and Green.
Why: Washington agents have stolen our friend Lauren on charges of "Failure to Obey" after she demonstrated inside an IRS lobby.
Who: Lauren Canario of Winchester, New Hampshire ... a liberty activist from NHFree.com
How: From 12:00p - 1:00p we'll stand at the busiest intersection with signs and flags. Then some of us will enter U.S. District Court while others continue outside. Note that one demonstrator may be arrested on the spot...Kat Kanning of Keene faces the same charges and apparently a warrant for the same incident.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on September 19, 2008, 08:07 PM NHFT
...
Lauren got put in the Dave Ridley memorial cell - it said nhfree.com
Kat: My presumption is that this cell is at the courthouse, either in the basement where I've never been, nor want to go, or on the 2nd floor, in one of the three holding cells there where I was in Fall 1998 (ten years ago) as the suspected "Concord Bomber" having my fingerprints taken by the F.B.I. in order "to prove" my innocence. My free attorney, at that time, thanks to the N.H. Chapter of the A.C.L.U., Mark Sisti of Chichester told the Channel 9 WMUR TV people on the steps there at 53 Pleasant Street, Concord [The Warren B. Rudman Building], in reference to the Feds wanting my DNA, that: "Mr. Haas will spit on anything the gov't has to provide." ;)
Hey Fed Boys and Girls,
FREEDOM (and justice) actually is Free! Mostly it's (always been) just Government goons who fuck that up!
GIVE US BACK OUR COUNRTY - PLEASE! "If the terrorists can take away our Freedom, the terrorists have won."
Please (at least) give our friends back.
We don't want to (and WON'T) hate you - though you make it very tempting. The "Devil" always temps. - - - Maybe you Hate us?
Maybe you (fed Boys and Girls) hate Freedom?
so i understand joe tried to find her location and they didn't give it to him?
any other reports on efforts to locate her?
The fed Boys and Girls are just doing there jobs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDY0DfEjmo
And, I feel sorry for them!
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 21, 2008, 02:24 PM NHFT
so i understand joe tried to find her location and they didn't give it to him?
any other reports on efforts to locate her?
David: If she IS (present tense) still in the lock-up cell at 53 Pleasant Street, to were they took her, right? (past tense), then she ought to get the mail from me delivered to her there tomorrow. But if not, then elsewhere, to find out* if the Feds will either: (a) hold the mail until she arrives on Tuesday night? to be in preparation for the Wednesday afternoon hearing, etc. like maybe to arrive back on Wednesday for same day hearing?, or (b) will mark on the #10 + 9x12" envelopes RETURN TO SENDER for whatever reason(s), or (c) confiscate the mail in which event that would be a dumb-ass move as they say, because all it is is what I've already written about, nothing more/ nothing less, other than a tourist brochure put into the #10 envelope to use as proof that if she or they call or write and tell me what it is, then I will know that it is really her or "them". >:D -- Joe
* Maybe she's up at the Merrimack County Jail in Boscawen or over to Goffstown in the State Women's Prison? Another possibility of (d) them forwarding the mail on Monday delivery to her for Tuesday receipt by her one day before the hearing on Wednesday. Plus BTW I did NOT write to her c/o the Marshals, but to her with address of in the jail cell there, and so further presume that the U.S. Postal worker will inquire at the Marshals Office as the one to accept her mail anyway, right? Or will he/she go to the G.S.A. officer on the 1st floor? ** WHY hasn't she been allowed to call out? from WHEREever. Or has she? Kat: maybe IF they "take" you next, you might want to carry some phone cards with you? like "Sonny" was given a $5.00 one by the Sullivan County Jail to call me when the Plainfield P.D. took him there from Ed's earlier this Summer on the trespass charge that he got "time served."
** I guess I purposely left off that c/o The Marshals based upon what I did years ago: by sending a certified letter to the Grand Jury Foreman of Grafton County at their Jury Door in North Haverhill, when I found out by one of the jurors at the lunch wagon in the parking lot that the Clerk Paul A. Gruber from Bethlehem (since indicted and found guilty for insurance fraud then fired) told the jurors to ignore my hand-out for a "Presentment" against the County Attorney, John B. Eames (of Littleton) for Perjury, re: his telling the trial jury in a case that there was no agreement with the witness when he was asked this during the trial, but found out later that there was a so-called "naked plea" or verbal agreement, although NOT in writing was still AN agreement, and so of course he would NOT indict himself! Two jurors telling me after the trial on a survey that IF they had known about this plea they would have voted different in their verdict, and so I did subpoena them to a hearing on this but quashed by the judge! of just another element in my decision of joining with 19 others of incorporating our VOCALS group: Victims of a Corrupt American Legal System.
Quote from: John on September 21, 2008, 03:03 PM NHFT
The fed Boys and Girls are just doing there jobs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDY0DfEjmo
And, I feel sorry for them!
Thanks John. This is very interesting. Especially the man with the megaphone broadcasting something to happen at "Four o'clock"!
Could that be him representing "Oliver Crangle" as from "The Twilight Zone" episode of 1962 by that title over at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_O'Clock and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734570/ plus watch the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAVKe2R3Y1w
In this case Monier IS Mr. Crangle, with F.B.I. agent Hall represented by a to-be-visitor to arrive on the scene with the real name of: ____________ from Washington [since the Maine and N.H. F.B.I. have been "infiltrated" 8) ] taking him/Monier away in a white coat and diagnosed as a real "sociopath" with extreme denial to the fact that there is NO RSA Ch. 123:1 filing from 1-8-17 U.S. Const. All the while Al Gore is up here peddling his book: "An Incovenient Truth" ;D
- - Joe
A shot from the IRS Office event that the Feds are molesting Lauren over.
Ms. V is clearly a threat to society... lock her in a cold cell.
(http://nhunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?name=IMG_7834-IRS-Office.jpg)
Another telling photo from Roger.
Can someone call around this morning to find out where Lauren is?
These government meat puppets have no souls.
T-shirt graphic I will wear. Anyone else want one?
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Free-Lauren-IRON-ON.jpg)
Cult of the Lawyers (http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/music/cult_of_the_lawyers-WORKCOPY.mp3)
Featuring the Pres. and his daddy.
I'd say yes, but my skinny FL ass will probably be wearing something with long sleeves.
I'm from socal and I'm going to take it like a MAN! What's your excuse, Ian! 8-)
Seriously, though, I'll be there... All the way from the seacoast!
i can't go...is there anything i can do to help from home? ive been spreading the word on myspace and such, and sparked a little interest from people.
yes you can help from where u are
one thing you can do is visit
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=2613.msg44735#msg44735
and spread the word to the *libertarian* websites listed there., web forums actually.
also scrollup this thread for othe r action items
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Gary-DiMartino.jpg)
I may be looking for a ride tomorrow - or I may have seats available. It all depends on how things shake out with Julia's schedule. Anyone got a free spot coming from Keene, or conversely, is anyone still looking for a ride from Keene?
Quote from: Pat K on September 23, 2008, 01:50 PM NHFT
These government meat puppets have no souls.
You don't see that term used much anymore
I can go too, if I can get a ride and if anyone is planning to be back at about 4:30 pm to Keene. :-\ Happy to pay for gas and time.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 23, 2008, 09:36 PM NHFT
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Gary-DiMartino.jpg)
I almost spilled PatK's beer reading that. :)
I'm pretty sick of the disrespect Lauren gets in other forums. Makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even believe some people would ever dare to say some of the things that they do. Instead when I defend her I'm called "unbalanced" and "crazy"
not to mention "stupid"
I could go on, but I won't. Thanks for letting me vent.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 05:16 AM NHFT
I'm pretty sick of the disrespect Lauren gets in other forums. Makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even believe some people would ever dare to say some of the things that they do. Instead when I defend her I'm called "unbalanced" and "crazy"
not to mention "stupid"
I could go on, but I won't. Thanks for letting me vent.
yeah, i saw some of that myself and i was shocked. if lauren canario is not a real activist, then who is?
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 23, 2008, 09:36 PM NHFT
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Gary-DiMartino.jpg)
ROFL!!
this is a by invitation only event.
Kat is printing out our invitations from DiMartino to the Ministry of Love (ours are black and white) ... if you have full color ones, the gentlemen at the door will appreciate it.
I am assuming we have to show our invitations at the security checkpoint, or possibly at the courtroom entrance.
We may get hungry before the party at DiMartino's, so we may have to buy some pizza (from across the street at say ... 12:30) for while we mill around at the pre-party outside.
;D 8)
We're gonna have fun. :icon_pirat:
Probably should bring pizza in to the trial.
At this point it looks like I'm driving and bringing Ian, Jesse, and David. Anyone else heading out of Keene may want to post in case someone else needs a ride.
I think there will be 5 of us ... I hope we get a good table.
We found the cardinal stuph.
Oh my!! that flyer is the best thing since sliced bread. Reminds me of the art the dadaists would do but better with a modern twist. :D
I'm sending my love to all of you and especially Lauren. What a wonderful sweet brave lady!
As to what Anton Lee was saying about the other forums. I find it really sad how people can be so hateful. It truly surprises me when I come across it. Love they enemy I keep trying to tell myself, but damn it is hard!
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 05:16 AM NHFT
I'm pretty sick of the disrespect Lauren gets in other forums. Makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even believe some people would ever dare to say some of the things that they do. Instead when I defend her I'm called "unbalanced" and "crazy"
not to mention "stupid"
I could go on, but I won't. Thanks for letting me vent.
Where is the trash talking going on?
I heard that Kat was arrested a short time ago, inside the courthouse. Beth and Dan just headed over thatta way...
Yep, Kat was arrested too. :( http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15457.0
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 05:16 AM NHFT
I'm pretty sick of the disrespect Lauren gets in other forums. Makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even believe some people would ever dare to say some of the things that they do. Instead when I defend her I'm called "unbalanced" and "crazy"
not to mention "stupid"
I could go on, but I won't. Thanks for letting me vent.
It's totally pointless to argue with a bunch of disrespectful kids on the internet. Just withdraw your time, attention and financial support from the group. Problem solved.
scumbags. I guess I'm a bit too compassionate for some.
Lauren was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to 15 days in a cage.
Quote from: Kevin Dean on September 24, 2008, 03:44 PM NHFT
Lauren was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to 15 days in a cage.
Thanks for the update.
Quote from: Kevin Dean on September 24, 2008, 03:44 PM NHFT
Lauren was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to 15 days in a cage.
Minus the four already served.
Highlights from the fiasco...
Mike Therrien needs to keep his boys after school to refresh their knowledge of the Constitution. Lauren's questioning was priceless, eliciting laughter from the spectators when the Fed Police didn't know the first amendment from the second amendment.
Kat's statement was really good. I hope someone else can come up with notes on her comments, powerful stuff. Also she is one of the bravest people I have known, walking into there knowing she was likely to be arrested.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on September 24, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 05:16 AM NHFT
I'm pretty sick of the disrespect Lauren gets in other forums. Makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even believe some people would ever dare to say some of the things that they do. Instead when I defend her I'm called "unbalanced" and "crazy"
not to mention "stupid"
I could go on, but I won't. Thanks for letting me vent.
Where is the trash talking going on?
well...er...freetalklive.com, for one
If anyone has writeups of the days events, I will use them for the paper.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 24, 2008, 05:50 PM NHFT
Highlights from the fiasco...
Mike Therrien needs to keep his boys after school to refresh their knowledge of the Constitution. Lauren's questioning was priceless, eliciting laughter from the spectators when the Fed Police didn't know the first amendment from the second amendment.
Kat's statement was really good. I hope someone else can come up with notes on her comments, powerful stuff. Also she is one of the bravest people I have known, walking into there knowing she was likely to be arrested.
No wonder the goons don't allow cameras. Wouldn't want evidence leaking out . ::) >:(
The underground was declared a threat that needed to be detered... a ringing endorsement for the efforts. Keep up the good work. 8)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 24, 2008, 07:01 PM NHFT
If anyone has writeups of the days events, I will use them for the paper.
I wish I could have stayed for Kat's portion. Very interested in hearing details.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 24, 2008, 07:38 PM NHFT
The underground was declared a threat that needed to be detered... a ringing endorsement for the efforts. Keep up the good work. 8)
I found that the most telling part of the trial. The feds are scared. Their "legitimacy" is now being openly laughed at in their own courtrooms and they didn't lift a finger to do anything about it.
All this because three people (Dave, Lauren, Kat) performed a few silent protests.
This is why I say if more people noncooperated it would be curtains for the state - real quick.
Shame most people are too scared to do anything but play "inside the system" games.
it is a shame, or rather I am Ashamed that I couldn't make it due to work and school. At some point I will have to make up for these times I wanted to be there for others.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 08:05 PM NHFT
it is a shame, or rather I am Ashamed that I couldn't make it due to work and school. At some point I will have to make up for these times I wanted to be there for others.
No need to be ashamed, you are here trying to help. Good on you. :)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 24, 2008, 07:38 PM NHFT
The underground was declared a threat that needed to be detered... a ringing endorsement for the efforts. Keep up the good work. 8)
Hallelujah!
:icon_cheers:
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 24, 2008, 07:38 PM NHFT
The underground was declared a threat that needed to be detered... a ringing endorsement for the efforts. Keep up the good work. 8)
Could you provide more details on this?
Quote from: Kevin Dean on September 24, 2008, 03:44 PM NHFT
Lauren was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to 15 days in a cage.
Holy shit! :o
The prosecutor begged the judge for the maximum 30 days to "send a message" to the rest of us that our freedom activism will not be tolerated.
"Weasel 1" was really agitated. His closing remarks were much more related to the underground than to Lauren's behavior. The sense I got from his statement, and other knowledge of events, is he has always felt like a big man on his turf. They had never experienced anything like this and they see people not bowing and cowering like the victims they are used to.
The Judge also did a rambling thing at the end talking about the Browns etc. that was just plain weird.
It is hard to describe the goings on from today. It would not do it justice to quantify it. It would just be "she got sentenced to 15 days".
The things I came away feeling...
20+ folks that don't rise for his highness.
The constitution is not even on these peoples radar, the judge included.
Folks showing support for the victim and family.
Lots of laughter and people treating the process for the sham it is.
If they crackdown, it will only get worse for them.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 24, 2008, 07:38 PM NHFT
The underground was declared a threat that needed to be detered... a ringing endorsement for the efforts. Keep up the good work. 8)
This is the only way the State knows how to respond to threats: Punish ("deter"), and if it doesn't work, punish harder. Unfortunately for them they don't know what they're really dealing with this time... >:D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 24, 2008, 05:50 PM NHFT
Kat's statement was really good. I hope someone else can come up with notes on her comments, powerful stuff. Also she is one of the bravest people I have known, walking into there knowing she was likely to be arrested.
I was experiencing an internal struggle because I really wanted to cheer for her.
they are worried about the nh underground and this movement growing
When Lauren asked the female pig if anyone was hurt on the day in question she claimed that she hurt her back. I almost fell off of my very uncomfortable seat. One of the pigs in New London, CT claimed he hurt his back moving Lauren.
My first look at weasel 1. He looks like he was sent from Central Casting when someone ordered a 'loser' type. Here he is in Concord, NH. If the Trial Of The Century comes to Concord he will be 'stepped over' and someone else will try it. Today his day was: Blah, Blah, Blah Lauren. Tomorrow his day will be blah, blah, blah someone else. I don't know how he gets past the first bridge abutment on his way home.
26 of us this time. the most we've had at fedcourt>
only 18 last time
so ya it's growing. and in the back of their minds perhaps...an unfolding financial calamity they may already sense spells a potential end to their institution. At least there's hope it spells that.
overall i didn't sense much animosity from the authorities in there...but i disagree with the name calling and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
we're not doing lauren any favors if we make them feel better about hurting us. lauren didn't seem happy about the lady allegedly hurting her back neither should we be.
Of course it's good to see that they are really beginning to perceive an "us" rather than just isolated incidents.
I just can't feel that bad for her. . . no one put a gun to her head and forced her to pick up another human being like a sack of flour. Lift from the knees.
Man one does not even know were to begin.
I feel both sad and in awe of Kat and Lauren.
Anger at the smallness, pettiness and vindictiveness
of the supposed free country we live in.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 24, 2008, 05:50 PM NHFT
Highlights from the fiasco...
Mike Therrien needs to keep his boys after school to refresh their knowledge of the Constitution. Lauren's questioning was priceless, eliciting laughter from the spectators when the Fed Police didn't know the first amendment from the second amendment.
Kat's statement was really good. I hope someone else can come up with notes on her comments, powerful stuff. Also she is one of the bravest people I have known, walking into there knowing she was likely to be arrested.
Tom, I did take a few notes on some scrap paper: The bench-trial started at about 1:50 p.m. (20 minutes late) in courtroom #4 on the upper level.
The 1st witness for the prosecution, was actually a participant in Lauren's arrest: Federal Protection Service man, Mr. ________ who Lauren asked @ 2:15 p.m. WHO that elderly customer was. He could not answer the question. This was after Lauren had put up on the screen something like: Where is a victim? twice, as also for: the 2nd one to testify was Scott Mellors @ 2:20 p.m. an Inspector who @ 2:30 was asked by Lauren if his oath including something do do with the Const. and he could not say: yes or no, as he didn't know, nor what the 1st Amendment was about.
At 2:31 p.m. Rachel Lapre, of the Fed. Protect. Service too, confirmed what the others said of two IRS women in the office and one "Press" Man (David with the video?). Lauren was already in custody by the time she arrived, and some talk of her taking off the mask, and hurting her back in getting the handcuffs on; with Lauren put into the chair with the wheels and taken out to the elevator where she spread her legs to each side of the elevator door. She was asked what Amendment to the Const. guarantees peaceful assembly and she thought it was the 2nd Amendment.
At 2:45 p.m. Phil Thompson, the black man, and another Fed. Protect. officer from Manchester + Boston, with two duties of: (1) General Police Duties, and (2) Risk Assessment (with fire detectors, etc. in bldg.s) was the only witness that when the prosecutor asked if he could identify the defendant, he said: that "lady" over there. The others merely pointing their finger in Lauren's direction. I thanked him for his politeness afterward over at Kat's hearing in courtroom B on the ground level that started at about 3:45 p.m. and only lasted for about 10 minutes to 3:55 p.m.
Lauren was wearing the gray-colored STRAFFORD COUNTY JAIL shirt, and so with the arrest last Friday, plus Sat., Sun., Mon., Tue. + Wed. = 6 days + 9 to go = her 15 day sentence of half the maximum wanted by Kinsella. So Thu. Sept. 25 - Fri., Oct. 3rd = her release day. With any mail to her address being: 266 County Farm Rd., Dover, N.H. 03820. http://www.co.strafford.nh.us/jail/ Tel. 603: 742-3310 (where Kat went too?) For visiting she has 2 hrs. per week, and just needs your name and what day and time to have you visit her. I sent her a copy of Gary's Pizza Party in the mail to her today for her to decorate her cell. >:D Too bad Gary had to be in Washington today, maybe we'll see him next Tue., Sept. 30 @ 1:30 p.m. too for Kat.
Kat did say that she is: NOT GUILTY of this and that she put the blame upon the prosecutor. The judge making some comment about blame to the sitting President. This said by her after she told the judge that she didn't want the court-appointed attorney there standing by for any assistance, and would like me instead, but like I told her ahead of time I could only have assisted by sitting at the table there giving her advice of what to say and not to say, specifically telling her that if the judge entered a plea for her that he did, that she ought to object, but she remained silent that is O.K. too, because her Not guilty...was a sentence directed toward the opposition rather than an entry of a plea, that establishes jurisdiction. The judge said: Mr. Haas is not an attorney so cannot represent you and something about if he were to let Kat out on bail and she skipped, that it would be a felony with time of up to a 2-year sentence in addition to the 30-day max. Me suspecting that she will get LESS time than Lauren because she had no mask, and so probably time served IF she loses, me not in on the details of what happened back then at the Keene IRS office on July 19 '07.
WHY weren't the two IRS women there? Maybe Kat can subpoena them to ask what exact distraction occurred? There WAS a sign up citing some C.F.R. (Code of Federal Regulations), and the first witness said that somebody took it down :icon_pirat: so he had to replace it with another, but did Lauren ASK for the documentation that the CFR was put out to advertisement for a public hearing? That is the only way they can get put on the books. Maybe at the Public Hearing IF it ever happened, there was some discussion that there is no dis-traction from paperwork duties when the citizen demands answers and they merely press the panic button wanting to deal with paper rather than people. Did Lauren ever get my paperwork on the Don Boothe case? He DEMANDED that Gregg provide him with an answer and stayed around and ran into a trespass charge for not leaving at 5:00 p.m. but won the case! against the ENTIRE U.S. Senate! I tried to see Kat by putting my name on the Visitor List at the Marshal's Office, but Andre there said only attorneys and thanks to me for doing part of his job in getting MORE time for Jason, then Reno plus Danny!!! What a guy, heh? :P
Both Lauren and Kat charged with disruption. But disruption of what or who? There were no other "customers" there, and so to what? disrupt the two I.R.S. women from going back to their paperwork, after asking Lauren and Kat if their chit-chat with them was over? WHAT was said by Lauren and Kat to these two I.R.S. workers? Was it like a game of: "Twenty Questions", and if so, what question # did they get up to before the panic button was pressed? Back in the 1980s I was told by the Town C.O.P. not to go to Town Hall unless I was there on official business, and which order was subsequently declared unlawful by the local judge, when I did go up there or something, I forget now that was decades ago now, remembering the Ashland Town Clerk telling me of some citizen going there to keep on reminding them of the time on the clock pointing out that it was 15 or whatever seconds or minutes after he had last spoken to them, about what I did not get the details, maybe him asking them for a progress report every 12, 3 , 6 + 9 of the dial.
- - Joe
Thanks for the info all
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 23, 2008, 09:36 PM NHFT
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Gary-DiMartino.jpg)
Tom, Is this going to be updated for next Tuesday?
I think Gary is having an autograph session* right afterward! 8)
There was talk of selling some of these on http://www.ebay.com
Maybe the next one could have this website? Best wishes, - Joe
Glad you liked it Joe... :)
I knew if you had one you would have fun with it. :icon_pirat:
Lauren and Kat both did very well under the circumstances. If they are guilty of anything they are guilty of telling the truth. They were both courageous and inspiring, they deserve our support and many thanks. The prosecutor was trying to make them out as "dangerous". That is absurd. What kind of country do we have when those that harm no one are "dangerous" ? Lauren's questioning and impromptu use of the overhead projector to display "where is the victim" was outstanding, given that she seemed to do it while having no time to prepare her defense and she was shackled.
Kat pointed out that SHE wasn't quilty, but that others were. She even had the judge saying something like, he hadn't voted for Bush either. Maybe there is hope.
I agree with Dave, we shouldn't have chuckled when the woman cop said she hurt her back...sorry, it was an honest spontaneous response on my part though...my body was "just doing it's job" and it was funny, but Dave's right. We need to stay focused on the goal of peacefully educating those that need it .
Overall the security seemed okay, cautiously polite at times, it is a good thing if they begin to see activists as people. Maybe they will begin to question the idea of putting two women in cages for harming nobody and redressing grievances. Maybe they will even read a document or two that they've all sworn to uphold.
It would be a good thing if more peaceful people showed up on the 30th(?) to support Kat during her trial.
I am copying people's responses to send to Kat and Lauren.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 24, 2008, 11:23 PM NHFT
but i disagree with the name calling and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
we're not doing lauren any favors if we make them feel better about hurting us. lauren didn't seem happy about the lady allegedly hurting her back neither should we be.
I wasn't laughing that Lapre hurt her back. I was laughing because Lauren had just asked her if she recalled
ever being injured while arresting someone and Lapre thought for a few seconds and then said no, and then Lauren asked "so you weren't injured when you arrested me?" (or something like that) and Lapre contradicted her immediately previous answer by saying "I hurt my back."
it sounded so fake, to me; like Lapre was giving as honest responses as possible because she felt that would help to incarcerate Lauren, but when Lauren threw her a curveball question she chose to lie and say she hurt her back dealing with Lauren so that Lauren would seem more dangerous.
And more of my laughter was indeed directed at the cops, not because of their injuries but because of their lack of understanding of their job (yet they fully think they are doing their job well!). Lauren asked them "did you take an oath to protect the constitution?" and one, for example, said "yes" but when Lauren asked him if he knew if there was a phrase about free speech in the constitution he said "I don't know." He swore to protect the constitution, he does not know what the constitution is, and he is striving to incarcerate a peaceful person because his boss told him to.
I realize I am not in the thick of things but from my vantage point I would say that the female cop that said she hurt her back brought all the snickering and remarks on herself. She was violating the oath she took and got hurt (I would love to see the MRI and X-ray of this injury too). If I jumped off a 40 foot cliff and broke my leg I would expect people to snicker and make fun of that stupid decision. Sure it may not be the most polite thing to do but I can see why people would have that type of reaction.
I give people respect but once they resort to kidnapping and stealing they loose all respect I would have given them. If they change their ways they can get that respect back but just like a credit rating it takes time to get that reputation back.
Kat, Lauren, and Dave are taking the risks I am not able to take at this point and I give my thanks for that.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 11:45 PM NHFT
I just can't feel that bad for her. . . no one put a gun to her head and forced her to pick up another human being like a sack of flour. Lift from the knees.
Regardless of how one actually feels, it does us no good to behave in a manner that makes us look bad. Arguments can sometimes be won or lost entirely on presentation alone...
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on September 24, 2008, 11:21 PM NHFT
When Lauren asked the female [LEO] if anyone was hurt on the day in question [the LEO] claimed [to have] hurt her [own] back.
That's like the classic tale of the kid who shot both parents, and then begged the judge to take pity on a poor orphan . . .
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 24, 2008, 11:23 PM NHFT
i disagree with the name calling and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
Even easier to avoid it by refraining form harassing citizens peaceably exercising their rights. Pure direct comeuppance is one area where I think plain derision is justified.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 24, 2008, 11:23 PM NHFT
overall i didn't sense much animosity from the authorities in there...but i disagree with the name calling and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
Surely they teach them in thug school how to lift with your legs and not your back?
I also don't think "lady" is the proper term here. The term "sow" comes to mind for me.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 11:45 PM NHFT
Lift from the knees.
That's what I was thinking when she said that, besides how pathetic she was!
Violent people deserve laughter. These govt people want to be taken seriously and laughing at their "business" of coercion is one of the things that can do the most damage to their legitimacy.
exCA Mike makes a good point as well. She did not seem sincere at all when she spouted it. That's why I used the term pathetic.
Quote from: Becky Thatcher on September 25, 2008, 09:03 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 24, 2008, 11:23 PM NHFT
overall i didn't sense much animosity from the authorities in there...but i disagree with the name calling and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
Surely they teach them in thug school how to lift with your legs and not your back?
I also don't think "lady" is the proper term here. The term "sow" comes to mind for me.
She looked like she'd had lots of donuts.
In other news, it's pretty easy to sneak a voice recorder into the court.
Or so I hear.
When the prosecutor was arguing for the maximum sentence, talking about how important it was to make an example of Lauren and discourage the NH Underground, he pointed out that even though Lauren seems (and really is) completely harmless and would not resort to violence, she might "incite" violence. So our speech itself is being declared dangerous because it might incite violence.
That's absurd on its face of course, but I had to think about what exactly he was saying. NH Underground reminds people that government uses the money they steal from us to kill millions of Iraqis and torture people and he claims our speech incites violence. If someone actually does get violent over something we say, isn't it actually the stealing, mass murder, and torturing that's inciting the violence?
:-\
Quote from: Free libertarian on September 25, 2008, 06:36 AM NHFT
... and she was shackled....
Yup: with leg irons that clanged with their metallic sound, loud enough for everyone to hear, as she made it from the defense table to the podium to speak four times.
Reminds me of Jacob Marley's Chains, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Marley (d. 24 Dec. 1836 fictional character in the Charles Dickens novel of: "a Christmas Carol"). See also over to the title page of: "The ghost warns Scrooge that if he doesn't change his ways, he will suffer Marley's fate.": "to drag around a heavy chain.
Check out: Aimee Mann sings Jacob Marley's Chain Christmas Show El Rey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT-KBEGQvw4 of 4:01 minutes
See also "Marley's Ghost @ Strawberry Music Festival" = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1fBrbzL0xc of "Give thanks and prayer to the Lord and it will be alright." / "Let's get together and feel alright."
- - Joe
P.S. And what of the act when the officers on the stand cannot remember their oath to constitution? The act I refer to of some people in the audience standing up and turning their backs to the witness and judge looking in the opposite direction until that witness was excused. This reminds me of that saying in the Bible of: "Walk in wisdom toward them that are without" Colossians 4:5, but since because IF you do so in the courtroom there, then you'll probably get surrounded like what happened to Lauren's husband yesterday afternoon when he went beyond the swinging saloon-type doors to try to talk with his wife. Over at http://www.google.com for these words I did find an interesting website at http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/sermons/bydate/1988/641_Walk_in_Wisdom_Toward_Those_Outside/ about the Prayer "Storm Troopers" with the REAL walkie-talkies to Heaven/ Command Headquarters in the Sky, me reading this AFTERward hearing yesterday somebody's comment before we walked up the stairs of something to do with the judge wanting to be nearer God in that way to somehow reflect that his sentencing will be just, and my comment to one of the Feds with a walkie-talkie in the courtroom IF that were indeed true. Him saying what? Me saying what I just wrote and IF he really had that special connection. ;D I guess this standing up and turning is like body language, telling the judge that although you hear what the witness is saying, that you find it an insult that he or she does not fully know what their job description is supposed to be, as in who these public servants really are to work for us! Getting over to Colossians 4:6 of: "Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." Plus: that was interesting that the judge did not acknowledge this fact for on the record, or will the court reporter indicated WHEN this standing up by #__ people and turning took place on which witness? IF ever there is a transcript ordered and made. #___ pages estimated at a cost of: $_____ in this Case #_______to ask Court Reporter ___________ for the estimate when I return there this afternoon to put in a Victim Impact Statement into Reno's case for tomorrow's sentencing day starting at 10:00 a.m. _____ Back at the desiring god website under #2 for Watchful "the enemy...will try to jam the airwaves or steal the transmitter" like what? to say to sit down or leave? Didn't the Bailiff say that you "may" be seated? originally before the proceeding. 8) Well - could be your answer back to the judge, - I choose to get back to my original standing. Kat's Case #______.
Quote from: dalebert on September 25, 2008, 10:33 AM NHFT
When the prosecutor was arguing for the maximum sentence, talking about how important it was to make an example of Lauren and discourage the NH Underground, he pointed out that even though Lauren seems (and really is) completely harmless and would not resort to violence, she might "incite" violence. So our speech itself is being declared dangerous because it might incite violence.
That's absurd on its face of course, but I had to think about what exactly he was saying. NH Underground reminds people that government uses the money they steal from us to kill millions of Iraqis and torture people and he claims our speech incites violence. If someone actually does get violent over something we say, isn't it actually the stealing, mass murder, and torturing that's inciting the violence?
:-\
Also, there's the obvious-but-somehow-overlooked-by-the-judge fact that he's being violent in order to stop the possibility that peaceful protect might incite violence.
Quote from: slim on September 25, 2008, 07:46 AM NHFT
I realize I am not in the thick of things but from my vantage point I would say that the female cop that said she hurt her back brought all the snickering and remarks on herself. She was violating the oath she took and got hurt (I would love to see the MRI and X-ray of this injury too). If I jumped off a 40 foot cliff and broke my leg I would expect people to snicker and make fun of that stupid decision.
In this particular case, it's more like stepping off a curb and then yelling "My leg! I broke my leg!"
Quote from: FTL_Ian on September 25, 2008, 09:14 AM NHFT
In other news, it's pretty easy to sneak a voice recorder into the court.
More of this may be necessary.
Amazon.com - Spy Cameras (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=spy+camera&x=0&y=0)
Quote from: FTL_Ian on September 25, 2008, 09:14 AM NHFT
In other news, it's pretty easy to sneak a voice recorder into the court.
Or so I hear.
except that they'll be looking for them now that we've posted this : /
Quote from: Jared on September 25, 2008, 04:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on September 25, 2008, 09:14 AM NHFT
In other news, it's pretty easy to sneak a voice recorder into the court.
Or so I hear.
except that they'll be looking for them now that we've posted this : /
That's fine. What will they do about this?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15468.0
Quote from: Jared on September 25, 2008, 04:15 PM NHFT
except that they'll be looking for them now that we've posted this : /
They can't strip search us all.
Quote from: Puke on September 25, 2008, 04:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jared on September 25, 2008, 04:15 PM NHFT
except that they'll be looking for them now that we've posted this : /
They can't strip search us all.
Are you sure of that? The post might give them some ideas >:D
"Didn't the Bailiff say that you "may" be seated? originally before the proceeding."
When they brought Lauren into the room, someone said "All rise for the honorable defendant" We all stood up and then sat back down. When the judge came in, the bailiff said "all rise" but we all remained seated. He never did say "you 'may' be seated" because I was waiting for that verbal cue to stand up and remain standing. Instead, he went straight to announcing the case and their people sat down of their own accord. I've never had (or heard of) that happening before and it threw me off as far as timing.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 24, 2008, 11:23 PM NHFT
overall i didn't sense much animosity from the authorities in there...but i disagree with the name calling and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
The question I really wish Lauren had used to follow that up is "Did you file an injury report?"
I'm sure the answer is "no."
The cop would then have to admit to one of two things: lying on the stand or refusing to perform required job duties.
Quote from: JosephSHaas on September 25, 2008, 10:54 AM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on September 25, 2008, 06:36 AM NHFT
... and she was shackled....
- - Joe
P.S. And what of the act when the officers on the stand cannot remember their oath to constitution? The act I refer to of some people in the audience standing up and turning their backs to the witness and judge looking in the opposite direction until that witness was excused.
Did some of the people do this? :)
Excellent... most excellent.
Anyone want to pursue a transcript of the "trial"...
Good stuff in there.
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Thursday, September 25, 2008
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CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A West Virginia man accused of passing gas and fanning it toward a police officer no longer faces a battery charge.
The Kanawha County prosecutor's office requested that the charge be dropped against 34-year-old Jose Cruz.
According to a criminal complaint, Cruz passed gas and made a fanning motion toward patrolman T.E. Parsons after being taken to the police station for a breathalyzer test. Cruz denies fanning the gas and says his request to use a restroom when first arriving at the station was denied.
An assistant says Magistrate Jack Pauley signed a motion to dismiss the charge Thursday.
Cruz, who was arrested Tuesday, still faces driving under the influence and other charges.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 25, 2008, 06:58 PM NHFT
Anyone want to pursue a transcript of the "trial"...
Good stuff in there.
Does anyone no how much and where to get Lauren's trial transcript?
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 25, 2008, 06:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: JosephSHaas on September 25, 2008, 10:54 AM NHFT
P.S. And what of the act when the officers on the stand cannot remember their oath to constitution? The act I refer to of some people in the audience standing up and turning their backs to the witness and judge looking in the opposite direction until that witness was excused.
Did some of the people do this? :)
Excellent... most excellent.
I saw William do it, and I joined him.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 25, 2008, 06:58 PM NHFT
Anyone want to pursue a transcript of the "trial"...
Good stuff in there.
What do they want for it? I hear it can be as much as $12 per page?
Quote from: exCA Mike on September 25, 2008, 07:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 25, 2008, 06:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: JosephSHaas on September 25, 2008, 10:54 AM NHFT
P.S. And what of the act when the officers on the stand cannot remember their oath to constitution? The act I refer to of some people in the audience standing up and turning their backs to the witness and judge looking in the opposite direction until that witness was excused.
Did some of the people do this? :)
Excellent... most excellent.
I saw William do it, and I joined him.
Thank You.
This would be good at Kat's trial.
The Garrett Super wand:
http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum1122.php
I just want to issue a hearty thank you to SamIAm for the gift of t-shirts and pizza. Thanx, Sam!
Quote from: dalebert on September 25, 2008, 10:35 PM NHFT
I just want to issue a hearty thank you to SamIAm for the gift of t-shirts and pizza. Thanx, Sam!
The pizzas where generously donated by John B. in Grafton. Thank you John.
One man drives the train... another man loads the car.
And another man unloads the train and another man locks a door.
Another man stands by a valve which leads to another man who fills a tank.
And another man is ordered by anther man to order the other man to open a valve.
And another man carries bodies to a grave that another man has dug and no man can be blamed.
So where is Mike Therion? He is the man who collects gypsies... who ride the train.
But Mike is different from the other men.
Mike gets to choose who he collects... he has sworn an oath to a set of words that he does not understand... and depends on politicians to tell him what to do... he is obedient to the state.
Mike could choose to not arrest gypsies. But, he has no moral code of his own... he serves the state, leaving politicians to bear the burden of his morality... And in what place could morality be better lost?
Some of my observations of Laurens trial.
The most important, the movement is growing up. The ease and relative relaxation of the activists in the courtroom was great to see. Dave had an interview with Lauren from 15 feet away. The sham trial was treated with the respect it deserved. The turnout is great.
One of my goals as an out of the system activist is to encourage law enforcement to choose not to enforce their own laws, thus nullifying it. Shaming them, and making it clear that their actions are those of pariahs are a method of 'deterrence'.
I believe the widespread respect for Lauren is one of the motivators for encouraging the great turnout in court the other day. But libertarianism is about freedom only limited by ones interfering in the rights of others by encroachment, threats, and harm. What I saw the other day was people who believed this ideal, and had embraced it in action. The movement will be unstoppable, if we embrace the ideal, remain leaderless, decentralized, and non-violent. The disgust people had when they saw how they were treating a women who had done no harm, is good, and should not be discouraged.
Most people never get past the armchair quarterbacking of the libertarian debates. I think things really crystalize in your mind when you see your friends carted away in chains and put in cages, when it is clear they had hurt no one. Lauren helped enourmously by putting a paper up on the overhead device displaying "who is the victim". It is clear the constitution is a 'god damned piece of paper' (that is a quote from our 1st Decider) to those people. So Lauren made it a moral issue. I am very much a fan of this approach. I have seen Russell do this, and I have done it (not quite the same way, but the same basic idea).
Of course things could have gone better the other day, they could have let Lauren and Kat out, things could have been said or done that may have had more of an impact, etc. But hindsight is what it is, and we will make mistakes, we will say and do things that we shouldn't, but as long as we remain nonviolent, nondestructive, and nonthreatening, those mistakes should be forgiven, and then used as a learning tool for the next time.
The T-shirts from Sam were awesome. The quote on the back was 'never forget what gov'ts do', with a picture of the star of David.
Thank you everyone for comming, I will not be able to go to Kats trial, but do her proud. :)
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 25, 2008, 10:43 PM NHFT
The pizzas where generously donated by John B. in Grafton. Thank you John.
Oh, my mistake. Thank you, John. Am I correct in thanking Sam for the t-shirts?
Quote from: dalebert on September 25, 2008, 11:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 25, 2008, 10:43 PM NHFT
The pizzas where generously donated by John B. in Grafton. Thank you John.
Oh, my mistake. Thank you, John. Am I correct in thanking Sam for the t-shirts?
It can only be assumed. The t-shirts came from cafepress.com and bounced off the Keene Free Press addressed to me and Lauren, 11 months ago.
Lauren is being held in Strafford County Jail again.
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/225
I wrote to her and Kat yesterday.
We know that Lauren enjoys news clippings, while she is in there.
Quote from: David on September 25, 2008, 11:13 PM NHFT
Some of my observations of Laurens trial.
...
One of my goals as an out of the system activist is to encourage law enforcement to choose not to enforce their own laws*, ....
* Technically these are not laws, as THE law is the Const., since there is no such thing as an unlawful law, but an unlawful statute or something. The something here being a CFR= The Code of Federal Regulations, that are put on the books ONLY after a Notice of Public Hearing, and withOUT such then they are illegal.
Did anybody write down the C.F.R. #_______ from the overhead projector to the screen? If not, would somebody in Keene PLEASE visit the I.R.S. Office there in the U.S. Post Office building and write it down for me from the handwriting on the wall. :) I'd like to check the books at the State Library in Concord this afternoon +/or meet with my Federal Senator Judd Gregg +/or one of his research people over at his North Main Street office to see about finding this ANSWER to mail to Kat this afternoon to her temporary address in the Merrimack County Jail, 314 Daniel Webster Highway, Boscawen, N.H. 03303 and BEFORE she goes back to Federal court next Tuesday afternoon @ 1:30 o'clock p.m. so that she can have this maybe researched by Congressional staff on Monday for a relay in person on Tuesday to put the C.F.R. on trial as illegal: case closed! 8)
- - Joe Haas
P.S. Anybody with this CFR #_______ please call me on my cell phone at 848-6059 today +/or drop by my office there in Concord @ 4 Park Street, just NE of the Capitol and next door to Judd Gregg. Thank you. Before 5:00 p.m. See Ron the Security Officer there in the Parking Lot, who can contact me, as I might be out walking the dog: "Mr. Tucker", "he's a good boy." >:D -- most of the time.
I wanted to publicly applaud Facilitator/Jim for his courage and restraint through this whole ordeal...
But, especially...
Walking through their little gate, to attempt to sit as counsel beside his wife. Then objecting in a firm, yet restrained, manner when they jumped up and berated and repelled him.
Wearing his "Shire Attire" tunic, handmade by himself, as a symbol of love for Lauren to see.
I call for a "karma party" as demonstation of admiration and support of his efforts and costs he has and is bearing.
For the public record.
They did not allow her to confer with anyone for advice.
She was without her glasses, making it diffuclt to see what was being displayed on the monitors. John offered and provided her with his reading glasses.
They did not have even a pencil for her to write notes regarding her case, until I asked her if she had be giving one.
She had her black gloved guard seated right beside her, an intimidating presence that would preclude her from any privacy in the writing of information regarding the trial.
The judge made no reference to any of her defense. It was clear that he was ready to find her guilty at her arraignment.
The judge, in his closing statement refered to matters not even connected with the case. Clearly chastising her for her activism and beliefs.
I suspected that he had no intention of counseling her. He was probably gonna sneak in a kiss!
+1 to Tom, too!
Quote from: dalebert on September 25, 2008, 11:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 25, 2008, 10:43 PM NHFT
The pizzas where generously donated by John B. in Grafton. Thank you John.
Oh, my mistake. Thank you, John. Am I correct in thanking Sam for the t-shirts?
Yep, You got the wrong guy, I swear! :) I have been following this thread and the stories on FTL about court. I loved hearing every minute of it. My hats off to Lauren and all of the activists that showed up for their trial. Can you imagine in another few months when the numbers double again and again and again? It's going to get very interesting! :) They have no idea what they are dealing with, and it's going to be a rude awakening when their little games, treachery, and deceit stop working. I can't wait to get up there, house is finally ready, and going on the market next week. I get closer to NH every day.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on September 26, 2008, 08:27 AM NHFT
I suspected that he had no intention of counseling her. He was probably gonna sneak in a kiss!
Lying, conniving bastard!
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on September 26, 2008, 08:27 AM NHFT
I suspected that he had no intention of counseling her. He was probably gonna sneak in a kiss!
Well... yaa. :blush:
Is this where I write to Lauren?
Lauren Canario
c/o Nazi Sympathizers
266 County Farm Road
Dover, New Hampshire 03820 (603) 742-3310
I just called this phone number, (603) 742-3310, and asked for Lauren Canario's number.
The guy on the other end asked if I wanted his detention number or his phone number?
I said, It's a her and that I didn't know inmates had phones and that yes, I would like her phone number so that I could call her.
He says, "This conversation is over." and hangs up on me. How terribwee woud.
Yeah.. Whenever I've called the NH Department of Corrections to ask questions, I have encountered really rude unpleasant miserable people. I just wonder why they enjoy being so miserable, and I will add that I'm overly friendly and nice with them, trying my best to be nice back. I shutter to think what it is like for the convicts and inmates.
Lauren Canario YOU RULE!
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 27, 2008, 01:37 PM NHFT
Is this where I write to Lauren?
Lauren Canario
c/o Nazi Sympathizers
266 County Farm Road
Dover, New Hampshire 03820 (603) 742-3310
I think that will work.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 27, 2008, 02:11 PM NHFT
I just called this phone number, (603) 742-3310, and asked for Lauren Canario's number.
The guy on the other end asked if I wanted his detention number or his phone number?
I said, It's a her and that I didn't know inmates had phones and that yes, I would like her phone number so that I could call her.
He says, "This conversation is over." and hangs up on me. How terribwee woud.
When I called, the man acted like Lauren was a man ... then changed when I referred to her.
There was no mention of numbers and no hangup. I guess it will be different every time.
Quote from: lastlady on September 27, 2008, 02:19 PM NHFT
Yeah.. Whenever I've called the NH Department of Corrections to ask questions, I have encountered really rude unpleasant miserable people. I just wonder why they enjoy being so miserable, and I will add that I'm overly friendly and nice with them, trying my best to be nice back. I shutter to think what it is like for the convicts and inmates.
The experience my family got when my brother was in jail lead to endless conversation about how horrible the people there were. They're contrarion every chance they get. They're on a power trip. It's the nature of their jobs. You've probably read about The Stanford Prison Experiment (http://www.prisonexp.org/). Every prison employee should have to learn of it and get a refresher on it like once a quarter.
Oh excellent point! I hadn't thought of that and yes I am familiar with the experiment. So true so true. It's hard for me because I want so badly for people to be kind to one another, no matter what, but I am forced to recognize that there are a lot of unhappy people who get satisfaction from hurting people and being nasty, like the school bully. When I think about all my friends and activists who are in jail, honestly I am just thankful they are not being tortured in extreme ways.
Lauren Canario I am praying for you to be released soon and remain unharmed while in that cage.
Quote from: dalebert on September 27, 2008, 04:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: lastlady on September 27, 2008, 02:19 PM NHFT
Yeah.. Whenever I've called the NH Department of Corrections to ask questions, I have encountered really rude unpleasant miserable people. I just wonder why they enjoy being so miserable, and I will add that I'm overly friendly and nice with them, trying my best to be nice back. I shutter to think what it is like for the convicts and inmates.
The experience my family got when my brother was in jail lead to endless conversation about how horrible the people there were. They're contrarion every chance they get. They're on a power trip. It's the nature of their jobs. You've probably read about The Stanford Prison Experiment (http://www.prisonexp.org/). Every prison employee should have to learn of it and get a refresher on it like once a quarter.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 24, 2008, 08:05 PM NHFTAt some point I will have to make up for these times I wanted to be there for others.
There is no need to "make up for these times." There will be plenty to do when you are ready.
Your heart & mind are in the right place; THAT IN-AND-OF ITSELF IS IMPORTANT. I believe that eventually your body will follow.
Everthing in its time my friend; everything in its time.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 24, 2008, 11:23 PM NHFT...and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
we're not doing lauren any favors if we make them feel better about hurting us. lauren didn't seem happy about the lady allegedly hurting her back neither should we be.
Lauren was naturally gracious in her genuine responce of "I'm sorry to hear that" which Lauren expressed after answers to several questions.I think (and hope) that the laughter in the room was because of disbelief that the trained professional thug had the very same story as another trained professional thug in Connecticut. It was rather strange. Lauren is small and offered ZERO resistance.
Quote from: John on September 27, 2008, 08:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 24, 2008, 11:23 PM NHFT...and laughing at the lady claiming she hurt her back. One of the DHS workers claimed she hurt it picking lauren up. you can scoff at that if you want but it is pretty easy to hurt your back lifting.
we're not doing lauren any favors if we make them feel better about hurting us. lauren didn't seem happy about the lady allegedly hurting her back neither should we be.
Lauren was naturally gracious in her genuine responce of "I'm sorry to hear that" which Lauren expressed after answers to several questions.
I think (and hope) that the laughter in the room was because of disbelief that the trained professional thug had the very same story as another trained professional thug in Connecticut. It was rather strange. Lauren is small and offered ZERO resistance.
That and the fact that the Officer testified that she had never been hurt on the job and then testified that she was hurt by lifting Lauren.
Someone pointed out that as a fedgov employee one is REQUIRED to file a report of ANY injury on the job.
It might/could be interesting/useful to find out if a timely report was filed. ::)
Would a fedgov employee/thug/witness lie on the stand?
Noooooo, that would never happen.
Quote from: Free libertarian on September 25, 2008, 06:36 AM NHFTIt would be a good thing if more peaceful people showed up on the 30th(?) to support Kat during her trial.
I wish I could be there.
SOMEONE
please fill in for me!
PLEASE add your # to the peaceful/nonviolent side!
it is funny how ... as our numbers grow ... since they like to match our numbers ... the differences in style (violent/peaceful) show up
Quote from: John on September 27, 2008, 08:28 PM NHFT
I think (and hope) that the laughter in the room was because of disbelief that the trained professional thug had the very same story as another trained professional thug in Connecticut. It was rather strange. Lauren is small and offered ZERO resistance.
It was spontaneous on my part due to the thug in CT, but, what of it? She could have died on the stand and I might have cheered.
None of the witnesses showed any concern for Lauren ... they were just doing their job and protecting the gang that gives them their paychecks
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 28, 2008, 06:44 AM NHFT
None of the witnesses showed any concern for Lauren ... they were just doing their job and protecting the gang that gives them their paychecks
and sounds like having no concern for a fellow human's life. It's the rules, and if you don't follow the rules, you're no longer human to them. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 28, 2008, 09:06 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 28, 2008, 06:44 AM NHFT
None of the witnesses showed any concern for Lauren ... they were just doing their job and protecting the gang that gives them their paychecks
and sounds like having no concern for a fellow human's life. It's the rules, and if you don't follow the rules, you're no longer human to them. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Not that I forgive them or anything, but they're doing exactly what I do, except I think my rules make a lot more sense. Threaten me or my family, and I consider you no longer human, and subject to extermination at my discretion.
Quote from: Bill St. Clair on September 28, 2008, 09:11 AM NHFT
Not that I forgive them or anything, but they're doing exactly what I do, except I think my rules make a lot more sense. Threaten me or my family, and I consider you no longer human, and subject to extermination at my discretion.
You are wrong.
Take the violent crap somewhere else.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on September 28, 2008, 09:34 AM NHFT
Quote from: Bill St. Clair on September 28, 2008, 09:11 AM NHFT
Not that I forgive them or anything, but they're doing exactly what I do, except I think my rules make a lot more sense. Threaten me or my family, and I consider you no longer human, and subject to extermination at my discretion.
You are wrong.
Take the violent crap somewhere else.
well...we're not all 100% pacifists on this board, but yeah it IS dedicated to the
nonviolent revolution, so peaceful talk only :)
I like peace, I'm not into randomly shooting people. I'm not really even into shooting IRS employees, go figure. I would like them to come around to my way of thinking first. . . and in the meantime I will only defend myself from aggression.
this is a peaceful revolution.
An elderly Quaker was awakened by a noise one night. Tiptoeing down the stairs, he espied a burglar filling a bag with the silverware. Grabbing his hunting rifle from the corner of the bedroom, the Quaker quietly made his way back down the stairs. Pointing the rifle at the burglar, he said, "I would not harm thee for the world, brother, but thou art standing in the place where I am about to shoot."
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on September 28, 2008, 11:14 AM NHFT
An elderly Quaker was awakened by a noise one night. Tiptoeing down the stairs, he espied a burglar filing a bag with the silverware. Grabbing his hunting rifle from the corner of the bedroom, the Quaker quietly made his way back down the stairs. Pointing the rifle at the burglar, he said, "I would not harm thee for the world, brother, but thou art standing in the place where I am about to shoot."
lol
Quote from: AntonLee on September 28, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFT
I like peace, I'm not into randomly shooting people. I'm not really even into shooting IRS employees, go figure. I would like them to come around to my way of thinking first. . . and in the meantime I will only defend myself from aggression.
Which is exactly what I thought I was saying. I guess you can change "threaten" to "aggress against" in my sentence above. It will mean exactly the same thing from my perspective, but maybe it will make those here who are not pacifists happier. There's no pleasing pacifists, unless you convert to their religion.
I don't go out looking to hurt people either, but if they try to hurt me or my family, I will use my right of self defense.
My apologies Bill, for using the word crap and for perhaps making anyone believe that I am a pacifist or religious.
This particular thread, concerning Lauren, is the place that does not need violence of any kind in it.
There are more appropriate places.
Quote from: Bill St. Clair on September 28, 2008, 01:44 PM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on September 28, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFT
I like peace, I'm not into randomly shooting people. I'm not really even into shooting IRS employees, go figure. I would like them to come around to my way of thinking first. . . and in the meantime I will only defend myself from aggression.
Which is exactly what I thought I was saying. I guess you can change "threaten" to "aggress against" in my sentence above. It will mean exactly the same thing from my perspective, but maybe it will make those here who are not pacifists happier. There's no pleasing pacifists, unless you convert to their religion.
I don't go out looking to hurt people either, but if they try to hurt me or my family, I will use my right of self defense.
I try my best not to use the word "threaten" because it can have 2 very different meanings: a verbal or similar provocation, or an immediate endangerment of one's life. And invariably, the audience will take the definition you didn't intend.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Doctor Pope Sir Ryan on September 28, 2008, 03:51 PM NHFT
I try my best not to use the word "threaten" because it can have 2 very different meanings: a verbal or similar provocation, or an immediate endangerment of one's life. And invariably, the audience will take the definition you didn't intend.
Good advice. I'll attempt to remember it.
I never understand the need some people feel to describe how powerful their defensive force will be ... for I know with great certainty ... that if the gang of thugs that currently hold Lauren in jail came rolling through your front door ... that you would roll over as quietly as Lauren has.
Do you think you can keep that discussion elsewhere .... preferably on one of the endless guncleaning forums?
As a pacifist myself, I see the way the anger associated with phrases like this one:
"Threaten me or my family, and I consider you no longer human, and subject to extermination at my discretion."
feed the beast that many of us are trying to starve through peaceful non-cooperation.
some new photos from Kira attached to the story:
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/225
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 29, 2008, 02:19 AM NHFT
As a pacifist myself, I see the way the anger associated with phrases like this one:
"Threaten me or my family, and I consider you no longer human, and subject to extermination at my discretion."
Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the Dark Side
Needs to be restated. I am not a pacifist, but you will never win against the gov't. The desire to is a fantasy. I agree entirely with Russell.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 29, 2008, 02:19 AM NHFT
I never understand the need some people feel to describe how powerful their defensive force will be ... for I know with great certainty ... that if the gang of thugs that currently hold Lauren in jail came rolling through your front door ... that you would roll over as quietly as Lauren has.
Do you think you can keep that discussion elsewhere .... preferably on one of the endless guncleaning forums?
As a pacifist myself, I see the way the anger associated with phrases like this one:
"Threaten me or my family, and I consider you no longer human, and subject to extermination at my discretion."
feed the beast that many of us are trying to starve through peaceful non-cooperation.
We can beat these people, but it must be through the use of peaceful means. If you find yourself not agreeing with that statement, please, go to one of the gun cleaning forums, and verbally fantasize 7days a week. Not trying to pick on you Bill, but there are many that browse this forum that agree with you. The owners of this forum believe in the peaceful means to reduce the gov'ts power, they ask others to remain respectful of that, or leave.
We can't out-violence the state. The little guy can't win a physical fight with the big bully. We have to have this fight mind to mind, and in that sense we have the upper hand. We have the truth on our side while they have only illusions. That's where their greatest power comes from. It's not from their guns. We have to shatter those illusions and violence only sets us back in that endeavor.
Does Lauren get out Sunday or Monday? What about Kat?
Enquiring minds want to know...
My poor memory seems to recall that it's Saturday. I think we should make a special effort to make it to Vendetta for Social Sunday and make it a welcome back party for Lauren.
Quote from: dalebert on October 02, 2008, 01:54 PM NHFT
My poor memory seems to recall that it's Saturday. I think we should make a special effort to make it to Vendetta for Social Sunday and make it a welcome back party for Lauren.
I can't remember.... is that at 3? goes until? Vendetta is at 43 Central Sq in Keene, right?
I'll see what the "social calendar" has to offer for conflicts...
I am not sure when Kat or Lauren is getting out ... depends on how they count the days and such. Dave got out earlier that I expected.
Quote from: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 03, 2008, 06:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on October 02, 2008, 01:54 PM NHFT
My poor memory seems to recall that it's Saturday. I think we should make a special effort to make it to Vendetta for Social Sunday and make it a welcome back party for Lauren.
I can't remember.... is that at 3? goes until? Vendetta is at 43 Central Sq in Keene, right?
I'll see what the "social calendar" has to offer for conflicts...
4p until whenever. Details:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5.0
I just called Lauren's Jailers, (603) 742-3310, they said that they have nothing saying Lauren is to be released today.
I would believe it.
I got a letter from Kat last night.
She said that they talked on Tuesday and Lauren has another "disorderly conduct" conduct charge for when she went through the security checkpoint to get her camera. Noone was there and she just walked through ... set it off and was grabbed on the second step.
Maybe she is getting held for a hearing. ?
Those bastards.
Maybe we should consider this for the next time at fedcourt in Concord:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15468.0
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 04, 2008, 10:00 AM NHFT
Those bastards.
Maybe we should consider this for the next time at fedcourt in Concord:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15468.0
this idea kind of freaked me out, but i got away with it no problem yesterday. it's kind of funny that i have the prosecutor on camera saying that no one is allowed to record him!
Here is the US Marshall's number, 603-225-1632, if anyone wants to try and get any information about Lauren. They won't give me anything.
the jail said they are still holding her and that they do not know when the feds are coming to get her.
maybe they will wait til monday ... maybe drag her into court
I called the Stratford County Jail (603-742-3310) and the guy there was unfriendly but said that he knew nothing about Lauren getting released today and had no info about when she would be released. I called the Marshalls' office (603-225-1632) and only got their answering service (they're not working during the weekend except for emergencies - bummer for anyone seeking justice on Saturday or Sunday!). However, the answering service person was friendly and called the jail for me (wow!) to learn more about Lauren's release. She told me that the jail said that Lauren will not be released this weekend "due to bail restrictions on her," and that I'd have to check with the Marshalls on Monday. I did not ask what "due to bail restrictions on her" meant.
Shit! I'm sorry, Jim!
they might also be playing bad cop with lauren if she hasn't been doing what they want
the strafford county jail super told me I was never going to leave that jail until I "processed" ... but then the feds came and got me and i was released at the Concord courthouse
i havent read this topic in the last 24 hours so maybe this is already addressed but:
I have a request: I dont know for sure if i will be at the fed building when lauren is released, or kat
i'm projecting lauren's release date around oct 5, kat's as oct 11 but i dont know the exact date.
when i got out of jail there were people outside waiting for me and it was really a great reunion situation. The same ideally should happen for both kat and lauren. What are the plans for setting up a welcome (and a ride) for them outside the Ugly Grey Compound? what are the release dates?
also reunions are great video and such video will likely generate more attention for the cause lauren and kat suffer over. If i'm there, i can videotape this....if not, please do it yourself. Whoever's there...will need to make it happen with whatever gear is available... and find a way to get it on youtube. jim, russell, kira... are you guys going to be okay getting videotaped at such an emotional moment? if not i understand but if so, i think it will help the cause...a cause Washington has tried so hard to keep from being fully documented on video.
what are the chances they might release them at an unexpected place or time?
I am not sure when they will get out. I guess you are right that they will bring them to the fed building like they did with you. It would be best to videotape and get the word out.
I will be glad to video-record at the welcome home and liberation celebration parties, which I plan to attend. I will also video-record their actual release, but I should not be depended on for that. Since I don't know when or where their release will be, I'm not sure if I can take off work at those times. I may be able to swing it with little notice, but am not sure.
Is Lauren getting out today? Does anyone know where/what time?
Apparently, Jim called the US Marshalls today and they told him they are holding Lauren while they "verify information".
Have no idea what the hell that means, just newspeak for 'we can do whatever we want to, whenever we want to, to whomever we want to.'
Here is the Marshalls number once again. (603-225-1632)
I just called them and said "I'm checking on the progress of my friend's release" and the woman responded "I still don't know anything - I'm still waiting for verification." I said, "But I haven't told you my friend's name yet." :) And she said, "Well I've gotten a lot of calls, but what's your friend's name?" I said "Lauren Canario" and she said "Yup, I'm still waiting for verification of paperwork.
I said "The judge sentenced her to so many days in jail. Doesn't that mean there is a definite release date?" She told me "yes, that's what I'm waiting to confirm from another agency." I asked what the other agency was and she said the Bureau of Prisons. She would not give me any contact info for that agency.
Porc-411 message: Lauren Canario has been released at Strafford County Jail in Dover and needs a ride back to Keene.
Can someone in the Manchester area get Lauren? I was going to go to Manchester today but I could just make a point to go today and take her the rest of the way back. I don't want to go all the way out there only to discover someone else already went to pick her up though. If she's already got a ride worked out, I'd just wait until tomorrow as planned.
A crew from Porc Central is being dispatched now to Dover to pick up Lauren and bring her here. If somebody from Keene wants to meet up here, say, at Murphy's around 5, that will work great.
Quote from: error on October 06, 2008, 12:33 PM NHFT
A crew from Porc Central is being dispatched now to Dover to pick up Lauren and bring her here. If somebody from Keene wants to meet up here, say, at Murphy's around 4, that will work great.
Cool, I'm going to come on out then. This means I probably won't make it to Taproom Tuesday but I think its a fair trade. :) If someone else is going, please call me at 404-775-4955 and let me know. Heading out in just a few minutes.
whoever can do so...get video to youtube as fast as possible from the reunions, parties, etc....then let me know and i can put that into more videos. i wont be at anything happening in the next day or two.
if it's ok with jim the shot i want the most is her and him hugging for the first time in 2 weeks!
Carp, I completely forgot to send a video camera with them! :(
Just got off the phone . . . Jim is heading for Manchester.
Quote from: error on October 06, 2008, 12:44 PM NHFT
Carp, I completely forgot to send a video camera with them! :(
Still time for someone to bring one to Murphy's . . .
Maybe Jim has Laurens camera with him. ;)
Yep, I have my camera, but no blank tape. I'll have to see if I can find some in the next hour or so.
I will be at Murphy's with a video camera and tape in 30-40 minutes.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on October 06, 2008, 01:46 PM NHFT
I will be at Murphy's with a video camera and tape in 30-40 minutes.
You're on. I can bring a laptop for immediate on-site uploading if needed.
Yeah!!! Lauren is FREE!!! :D
Quote from: error on October 06, 2008, 11:39 AM NHFT
Porc-411 message: Lauren Canario has been released at Strafford County Jail in Dover and needs a ride back to Keene.
I thought they had turned Lauren into a Cylon!
Free at last.
Lauren is free and now on her way back to Manchester. We're all going to have a brief celebration at Murphy's (with Jim, I hope) before she goes back to Keene to have another celebration or two. :) :) :) She should be arriving here sometime between 4:30 and 5.
;D Glad Lauren is free!
:blob6: :bdance2: :wav: :broc1: :clap: :party-smiley-020:
We made it home. ;D
Lauren's on hold with FTL.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on October 06, 2008, 07:54 PM NHFT
We made it home. ;D
Lauren's on hold with FTL.
It's always great to see you guys. I just regret that it always seems to be under such poor circumstances.
very relieved myself that she came home safely. Can't wait to hear the podcast tomorrow!
For anyone interested, but mainly for Dave, here is my essentially raw video footage of Lauren's reunion with Jim tonight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zq4bSyaVcw
Dave, I did not manipulate the sound, add closed-captioning, add voiceover, or modify it in almost any way, so you can edit it into a video however you want. Let me know if you prefer that I edit this into something more enjoyable to view.
Nice job - you scooped the Ridley Report!
I have some brief footage of when Lauren first showed up and ran into Jim's arms. Very touching. I just need to get my act together with editing stuph on Linux. I looked around online again tonight and I guess I'll try Cinerella. Sounds like it has good features though is not terribly intuitive so will have a bit of a learning curve.
brownie points for the manchester crew hitting the road quickly
I am glad the badguys finally let you go.
Quote from: dalebert on October 06, 2008, 10:25 PM NHFT
I have some brief footage of when Lauren first showed up and ran into Jim's arms. Very touching.
Well, it looks like Mike got that footage as well so I don't feel much pressure to get mine up.
Hip hip Hooray! Lauren is Home.
Hip hip Hooray! The Manchester guys to the rescue.
Hip hip Hooray! Nice job Mike. (I'm subscribing.)
I can put together an update for the paper, when I get a photo and some video links.
See you soon Lauren.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 06, 2008, 10:21 PM NHFT
Nice job - you scooped the Ridley Report!
hehe. I didn't scoop him, I filmed it
for him. Dave requested a day or 2 before that he wanted footage of Jim and Lauren's runion, but that he wouldn't be there to film it.
Dave, I saw the Ridleo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGY45GEfY4) with this footage. Thanks a lot for giving me credit. That was nice, and is appreciated. No need to fix this one, but for the future, my last name is Barskey (not Barksey). :)
Now back on topic: Welcome back, Lauren!
Awesome teamwork everyone!
Those who came to see me at the courthouse - thanks for the encouragement
Those who held signs and waved flags - you guys looked great
Those who phoned the jailers - woo hoo! they hated that.
Those who posted your thoughts, even critical ones - thanks for the feedback
Getting kidnapped and boxed up for weeks is an abnormal event, you make it seem almost fun.
Hope no one was damaged.
You couldn't find a better band of desperados anywhere.
:clapping: :newheart: :blowkiss:
Quote from: dalebert on October 06, 2008, 10:25 PM NHFT
I have some brief footage of when Lauren first showed up and ran into Jim's arms. Very touching. I just need to get my act together with editing stuph on Linux. I looked around online again tonight and I guess I'll try Cinerella. Sounds like it has good features though is not terribly intuitive so will have a bit of a learning curve.
Cinelerra is professional grade stuff. I used it to put together some of my videos. Dave Ridley would probably take one look at it and understand it instantly, but it takes a long while to get used to otherwise. Try Pitivi for the simpler stuff you're likely to generate.
(These days I am REALLY hardcore and edit directly off the tape from the command line.)
Glad yer out Lauren!
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on October 07, 2008, 03:15 PM NHFT
Those who phoned the jailers - woo hoo! they hated that.
Yesterday they still acted like they didn't know you were a woman ... weren't you right in front of them in one of the bubble cells?
I spent 1 night in the cell next to door leading to all of the pods .... the lights and slamming were annoying ... that must have been fun for 2 weeks. They kept you for exactly 17 days like me. Maybe they are going for equalization. :-\
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 07, 2008, 03:56 PM NHFTexactly 17 days like me. Maybe they are going for equalization. :-\
Maybe their cult is working with numerology.
"Those [we] people" must be "detered." :P
Thought you might appreciate knowing that "Failure to Obey" is increasingly pervasive:
http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2008/08/tinkerbell-in-c.html
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 06, 2008, 10:26 PM NHFT
brownie points for the manchester crew hitting the road quickly
Agreed. Your guys Rocked. Thanks for helping. :)
Quote from: dalebert on October 06, 2008, 10:25 PM NHFT
I have some brief footage of when Lauren first showed up and ran into Jim's arms. Very touching.
Thats what it is all about. 8)
Quote from: David on October 11, 2008, 09:14 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 06, 2008, 10:26 PM NHFT
brownie points for the manchester crew hitting the road quickly
Agreed. Your guys Rocked. Thanks for helping. :)
Someone has to fly the black flag here in Manchester. As it were.
Brass Ball ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2vR2fVY7Ek
Thanks John.