Details in Porc-411 message below.
Oh fuck.
That said, Jesus Christ. They nailed them on concealed carrying. This can only lead to trouble :(
Considering the recent U.S. Marshals activity (https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php/topic,1272.0.html), I'm wondering if the reasons for arrest are only some sort of pretext.
I called the restaurant, but it went to voice mail, which I'm not sure the employees would actually have access to. Does anyone know how to contact any of the employees, who's in charge of unlocking the place in the morning, if it's not her or Bill, &c.?
Someone else had already called her mother, too, by the time that I did.
Cross-posted from here (https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php/topic,1299.0.html).
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on October 09, 2008, 11:57 PM NHFT
They nailed them on concealed carrying. This can only lead to trouble :(
Both charges are misdemeanors, at least.
What recent U.S. marshals activity?
There was a Porc411 message a couple of weeks ago about someone looking for a "Sharon" in Grafton.
What did she mean by suspended registration? Did she mean license?
Quote from: error on October 10, 2008, 12:30 AM NHFT
What recent U.S. marshals activity?
What 41mag said. Russell called it in, and didn't know who "Sharon" referred to. Theory was they were looking for Rob, but maybe not. There's the thread there that I linked to, and another one on this forum (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15469.0).
Quote from: 41mag on October 10, 2008, 12:34 AM NHFT
What did she mean by suspended registration? Did she mean license?
Perhaps, or
expired registration. I know she'd had trouble with both in Rhode Island, and the way their bureaucracy works down there, even if she got it straightened out, it'll probably take another five years for all their databases to catch up.
Oh yeah, that activity. Well, we'll have to see what happens, I suppose. Maybe the marshals will be able to find them now. Or maybe not.
Called the police department and they let me speak with Ivy.
They've posted bail and are just waiting at the Manchester Police Department to be released/picked up.
I left a message with Amy (William/Keyser Soce's wife) about the restaurant.
Ivy wanted to make sure Mike Ruff knows what's up, but wasn't able to get his phone number from her phone, and I don't have it either.
She just called me back, and they're out. She still has to get her truck back from them...
http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Routine+stop+leads+to+arrest+of+armed+man+in+body+armor&articleId=411f7d44-3a9d-424a-9fd3-ee42d95b180e
I got the word, and was already planning to stop by Bristol this morning to see if I could pass the info on to the staff at the restaurant at 10am when they're supposed to open.
FYI, my number is 603.340.6654 (cell) and if I ever get my VOIP operating again, my VOIP line is 603.463.0069.
Does Bill wear "body armor" (not sure what that means) as a general rule?
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on October 10, 2008, 06:03 AM NHFT
http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Routine+stop+leads+to+arrest+of+armed+man+in+body+armor&articleId=411f7d44-3a9d-424a-9fd3-ee42d95b180e
The "comments" on the Union Leader page with this article prove that there are
way too many brainwashed sheeple around. Those are the ones that give their approval and support to the jack-booted thugs either blindly or tacitly... They're just as dangerous, if not moreso, than the JBTs are!
One thing that kept coming up in those comments was the opinion that anyone carrying multiple firearms, with spare ammo, wearing kevlar, was "up to no good" or not peaceful and that the PD
obviously saved lives from the deranged person. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it, but since it seems to be an issue, I wonder how Bill (or others here) would respond.
Is wearing body armor against the law?
Quote from: Porcupine on October 10, 2008, 08:42 AM NHFT
Is wearing body armor against the law?
Only if you're committing a felony.
Gah. The comments there are just....
Man. Too much.
I should have included a paraphrase of Ayn Rand, about saying if they as people wore body armor and two guns, would they be going to do something nasty? The obvious answer they'll give is no- but this completely invalidates their reasoning because they're making a moral and character judgment.
Summary of comments:
"It's THE LAW! Bad man violate LAW! Good cop save us from bad man!"
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 10, 2008, 09:35 AM NHFT
Summary of comments:
"It's THE LAW! Bad man violate LAW! Good cop save us from bad man!"
Mindless worship of authority. The product of government child indoctrination facilities.
I'm glad this didn't end 'badlier'
Is that a Garthwaitian word?
The (m)asshat cops are discussing this incident too
http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62915 (http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62915)
;D Hell, I can't wait until I'm pulled over, heck, I'll call the Union Leader and have them watch the Cops take my FAL with 6 loaded clips, body armor, my bible (ooooo!) my copy of the Constitution, my Desert Eagle with 5 loaded .357 clips, my .357 back up revolver with 3 speed loaders, (unloaded all of em by the way), (they don't jam), and my boot knife as well as my Old Henry deer skinning knife. Know what the Cops will do? Ask me if they can check out the FAL and ask me how it shoots.
I don't know why this is a big deal? Maybe the City is looking for Federal Money with the Civilian population exercising their civil rites???? ::)
(ok, I missed the why this is a big deal point, I'm in support of carrying any way you want to including full auto.)
Oh ya, I posted this in the comments area of the Leader.
The mind set of this pig.
Re: Heavily armed man arrested in traffic stop
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Maybe this cat was really, really obese and they meant to say "heavy and armed".
"Bullet proof vest", right up there with "clips". I'll bet I could find something that will put a bullet through that vest...
I'm glad they're out. No victim no crime!
Quote from: grasshopper on October 10, 2008, 01:35 PM NHFT
;D Hell, I can't wait until I'm pulled over, heck, I'll call the Union Leader and have them watch the Cops take my FAL with 6 loaded clips, body armor, my bible (ooooo!) my copy of the Constitution, my Desert Eagle with 5 loaded .357 clips, my .357 back up revolver with 3 speed loaders, (unloaded all of em by the way), (they don't jam), and my boot knife as well as my Old Henry deer skinning knife.
Someone I knew swore by the practice of keeping one of those pranksters' screw-top cans with the spring-loaded snake in it, painted to look like a camouflage canister. When the cop grabs it, you warn, "Don't open that!" and when he does, make your move . . .
i cannot believed how brainwashed people are. it's sickening. i couldn't finish reading those posts.
The comments prove what happens to people are inundated with news stories of crazies shooting up schools and such.
Criminals also wear masks. I think anyone wearing a mask Oct 31st should be shot on site by the police. ::)
Quote from: grasshopper on October 10, 2008, 01:35 PM NHFT
;D Hell, I can't wait until I'm pulled over, heck, I'll call the Union Leader and have them watch the Cops take my FAL with 6 loaded clips, body armor, my bible (ooooo!) my copy of the Constitution, my Desert Eagle with 5 loaded .357 clips, my .357 back up revolver with 3 speed loaders, (unloaded all of em by the way), (they don't jam), and my boot knife as well as my Old Henry deer skinning knife. Know what the Cops will do? Ask me if they can check out the FAL and ask me how it shoots.
Yep. Obvious menace to society here!
A man wearing a bullet resistant vest, two guns, and extra ammo was accosted and kidnapped by a man wearing a bullet resistant vest, a gun, extra ammo, mace, a taser, and restraint devices.
Who is the bad guy? :-\
From one of the latest comments on the Union Leader website:
http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Routine+stop+leads+to+arrest+of+armed+man+in+body+armor&articleId=411f7d44-3a9d-424a-9fd3-ee42d95b180e
Quote
Wow, these people are Free Staters! They're discussing it on nhunderground.com.
Didn't I say these nuts are dangerous and are going to get someone hurt? Will people listen before it's too late? Were they going to "rebel"? Marshals, are you seeing this?
- Adam F., Merrimack
This is why we need to carefully consider everything we say in light of how people may perceive it. We're peace-loving people here; but not everyone recognizes that. Sometimes because they conflate obvious, unusual opportunity to commit violence (i.e. carrying 'weapons' * ) with the intent to do so.
In contrast, consider that when you drive down a highway, you have 120+ MPH closing speeds with oncoming traffic, and they're passing only a very few feet away from you. The opportunity for something to go horribly wrong and instantly kill lots of people is all around us; but we largely ignore it because most of the time *nothing happens* -- because people are capable of planning for the future and making intelligent judgements and don't want to hurt other people, especially when they know there are consequences for their actions.
* In the end, you are the weapon. Everything else is simply a tool, an extension of your will. Consider people, not their tools.
Well, there
was one useful piece of information in that article:—
QuoteTrials were set for Dec. 9.
... [W]ill be arraigned at a future date in Manchester District Court.
This is apparently incorrect.
The correct court date is
2008-10-28, at Manchester District Court, at 08:15.
they didn't hurt anyone ... but I bet that cop has in the last month
Quote from: Redchrome on October 10, 2008, 06:57 PM NHFT
This is why we need to carefully consider everything we say in light of how people may perceive it.
People who've shown repeatedly over the past thirty-six years that they will take anything that's said and twist it around until it can be criticized? People who demonstrate, if not with their words, then with their actions and advocacies, that they fear personal responsibility, loss of the leadership that gives their lives direction, or sacrifice of the possibility of control over others that validates their own poor choices? NO, damnit! It's time to stop worrying about how some petty pissant peon is going to misinterpret every word and gesture, and start saying, loud and proud, "We love our freedom, now get out of the way and let us have it!"
(It's also time to clarify exactly what the inevitable "or else . . ." that necessarily follows that declaration entails.)
Here's more coverage on WMUR:
http://www.wmur.com/news/17685307/detail.html#- (http://www.wmur.com/news/17685307/detail.html#-)
On their way to commit a crime...now that's a bunch of BS.
From the WMUR article:
Quote"He didn't have a permit to conceal either the weapon or the ammunition," Rondeau said.
1. There is no 'permit' pertaining to the situation.
2. Concealing ammunition is in no way a crime in NH. You can't get a permit to conceal something that is not illegal to conceal. It's also not illegal to conceal an unloaded "weapon". It is only illegal to conceal a loaded gun or have a loaded gun on your person while operating a motor vehicle without a LTC.
The police can't even get their own legal points straight.
Of course not. Most of them don't know their own rules. They just make it up as they go along.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 11, 2008, 01:00 PM NHFT
Of course not. Most of them don't know their own rules. They just make it up as they go along.
When in doubt: Disorderly Conduct! Disturbing the Peace! Resisting an Officer! Of course, those are charges used on people they think can't afford lawyers...
Yes Disorderly Conduct is used 9 times out of 10 in my experience when an officer wants you to stop doing something he doesn't personally like. Using your first amendment right to freedom of speech is often met with stop or I will charge you with disorderly conduct.
Quote from: lastlady on October 11, 2008, 02:59 PM NHFT
Yes Disorderly Conduct is used 9 times out of 10 in my experience when an officer wants you to stop doing something he doesn't personally like. Using your first amendment right to freedom of speech is often met with stop or I will charge you with disorderly conduct.
In fact, that was just used on Russell to stop his small, peaceful protest on public property. If the constitution was worth a crap, it would have been clearly protected his activity as simply free speech.
When in doubt "journalists" will always write the story from the most sensational angle.
In this case, "People with guns and body armor MUST be off to kill all the children!"
That would pretty much sum up the county SWAT teams >:D
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on October 12, 2008, 06:23 AM NHFT
That would pretty much sum up the county SWAT teams >:D
Good point! It's the one's with badges that
are off to hurt people.
But it's OK for them to do so. >:(
Quote from: White M on October 11, 2008, 01:14 PM NHFT
When in doubt: Disorderly Conduct! Disturbing the Peace! Resisting an Officer! Of course, those are charges used on people they think can't afford lawyers...
In Sinclair Lewis's highly recommended 1935 novel
It Can't Happen Here, Senators who didn't vote the way the President wanted were arrested for "inciting to riot." Then, it was satire--but I'm beginning to believe that that title was slightly ironic . . .
I think he was picking on Andrew Jackson... but GW Bush fits the mold.
Quote from: zaphar on October 12, 2008, 08:51 AM NHFT
I'm starting to wonder if the two pistols were unloaded and if the whole unregistered vehicle thing is related to using out-of-state license plates. The details in this article are different than the other in the onionleader.
I was thinking that too actually. I bet they were unloaded and therefore completely legal. The cops have frequently demonstrated that their understanding of the law is poorer than many of us, and I'm sure Bill is VERY familiar with NH gun law and would have been in compliance so they wouldn't have anything on him.
and the typical media is prone to many mistakes
Quote from: dalebert on October 12, 2008, 09:54 AM NHFTI was thinking that too actually. I bet they were unloaded and therefore completely legal.
The first thing that crossed my mind when I saw this story was also that the guns were not loaded. What worries me is the definition of
loaded. The law probably does not specifically say that the cartridges must be inside a magazine, and the magazine must be inserted into the pistol in order for the pistol to be considered
loaded. And if it doesn't, you can count on the prosecutor (and perhaps the judge) to try using a loose definition of the term "loaded". That definition would include a cartridge-laden magazine in close proximity to a pistol. In some states "loaded" can mean that there are cartridges -- not even magazines
per se -- in an unlocked container near a firearm in an unlocked container. Essentially the term "loaded" has been broadened to mean "could be easily and quickly loaded". I hope this does not become the case in NH, but we might find out if/when Bill's case goes to trial.
Clip has to be loaded and in the firearm to be a violation.
Its taught each year at hunting and OHRV safety courses.
The definition of "loaded" as I've seen it means the gun is capable of discharging without adding anything to it. That way, a semi auto pistol with a loaded magazine may be considered "loaded" even if the chamber is empty.
heyyyy...wow. teh definition of "loaded" means, like, something totally different to me duuuuude. hehehe. Hey, I got the munchies man. Anybody up for a store run?? :icon_pirat:
LOL shyfrog :D
and now the legal system including the bloodsucking lawyers have them .... quite an evil system these government guys have come up with
just like when they shook down the keeniacs on the way home from a party
Quote from: Little Owl on October 13, 2008, 05:46 PM NHFTThe definition of "loaded" as I've seen it means the gun is capable of discharging without adding anything to it. That way, a semi auto pistol with a loaded magazine may be considered "loaded" even if the chamber is empty.
Unfortunately, legal definitions often have little or nothing to do with actual reality
In some states, having ammunition within reach of the individual holding the firearm is enough to render that firearm "loaded" under the law.
Joe
I was told by someone who knows NH laws well, though not a lawyer that since loaded is defined as a gun "with" ammunition implies that the ammo is considered loaded relative to the gun and not the person. Otherwise, it would have read, "and" ammunition.
But the law is what the judge says he wants it to mean.
In New York state, a "firearm" is "loaded" if ammunition is in the car, anywhere. The "firearm" is also considered to be in the "possession" of all occupants of the car. Being in "possession" of an unregistered "loaded" "firearm" is an eight-year felony. "firearm" does not include rifles or shotguns (unless they have a short barrel, are "assault weapons", or are fully-automatic). You need a pistol permit to legally purchase or "possess" a "firearm".
Ivy has posted a response to all of this (https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php/topic,1299.msg10499.html#msg10499) over on the NH Tea Party forum. If you have an account there, please take the time to read it, especially people who want to speculate and gossip.
Quote from: zaphar on October 13, 2008, 11:41 PM NHFT
I can't seem to get to it, I'm not allowed.
Yeah, the site requires a user account and that you post in the "introduce yourself" board in order to view the other threads.
Any mention of the 3 page list of names and phone numbers that fell into the hands of the MPD due to this incident?
I wonder who came up with the idea of planting a list on a person who might get arrested?
That list might include the names and phone numbers of politicians, police, judges and various bureaucrats as well as members of a group of people who are known to be in disagreement with the current government.
It would just be a list. :dontknow:
should I keep a list with the homeland security guys and fed marshal names and phone numbers?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 15, 2008, 07:25 AM NHFT
should I keep a list with the homeland security guys and fed marshal names and phone numbers?
Yes, and sprinkle it with a few zealots of different sorts. Be sure to call them every once in a while, in clusters of two or three, to organize happiness. ;)
DIABOLICAL!
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on October 13, 2008, 09:20 PM NHFT
Ivy has posted a response to all of this (https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php/topic,1299.msg10499.html#msg10499) over on the NH Tea Party forum. If you have an account there, please take the time to read it, especially people who want to speculate and gossip.
I didn't know the teaparty was back up, cool! :)
Ivy posted this on
NH Tea Party and asked that I copy it here:—
Quote from: ivyleague28477
It has been asked by several if they could send us some assistance for our legal troubles. In light of that, we will be creating a PayPal account and a ChipIn page. More information on that shortly.
We are so very grateful and appreciative of those who want to help. Another big help will be for folks to appear at our arraignments October 28th at 8:15am in Manchester District Court.
Thank you, everyone, for your thoughts and prayers.
Ivy
Quote from: ivyleague28477
The ChipIn page:
http://williamwalker.chipin.com/william-walker-conceal-carry-case (http://williamwalker.chipin.com/william-walker-conceal-carry-case)
If folks would be interested in placing a ChipIn widget in blogs or on various sites to help us raise funds, here is the 'general' html code. one might have to modify it a bit for various sites:
<object width="250" height="250"><param name="movie" value="http://widget.chipin.com/widget/id/afe0648758151310"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><param name="event_title" value="William%20Walker%20Conceal%20Carry%20Case"></param><param name="color_scheme" value="blue"></param><embed src="http://widget.chipin.com/widget/id/afe0648758151310" flashVars="event_title=William%20Walker%20Conceal%20Carry%20Case&color_scheme=blue" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowScriptAccess="always" wmode="transparent" width="250" height="250"></embed></object>
Don't know if I can make the trial, but I chipped in..
.
Quote from: ivyleague28477
So, Bill's keeping a running tally of donations we've received. He's dividing them between New Hampshire folks and outside of New Hampshire folks. He says "a little healthy competition" with a smile...
Anyway, I'm pleased to announce, New Hampshire is, by far, ahead in his little competition and I wanted to say thanks to all who have donated some funds thus far. Some have gone above and beyond what we could have ever asked, and we thank you so much.
We are by no means close to our goal, however. Even $5.00 would bring us a little bit closer. Every little bit helps.
It was pointed out that people could sell things on EBay and then use PayPal to donate without any additional costs or fees - kind of a virtual collaborative yard sale.
I'm thinking of selling my collective works of Karl Marx just so I can have a socialist support a pro-gun cause! :D
Quote from: Bald Eagle on October 21, 2008, 03:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: ivyleague28477
So, Bill's keeping a running tally of donations we've received. He's dividing them between New Hampshire folks and outside of New Hampshire folks. He says "a little healthy competition" with a smile...
Anyway, I'm pleased to announce, New Hampshire is, by far, ahead in his little competition and I wanted to say thanks to all who have donated some funds thus far. Some have gone above and beyond what we could have ever asked, and we thank you so much.
We are by no means close to our goal, however. Even $5.00 would bring us a little bit closer. Every little bit helps.
It was pointed out that people could sell things on EBay and then use PayPal to donate without any additional costs or fees - kind of a virtual collaborative yard sale.
I'm thinking of selling my collective works of Karl Marx just so I can have a socialist support a pro-gun cause! :D
Glad to chip in. We'll be chipping in even more soon. 8)
Quote from: Bald Eagle on October 21, 2008, 03:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: ivyleague28477I'm thinking of selling my collective works of Karl Marx just so I can have a socialist support a pro-gun cause! :D
>:D
Looks like I'm going to be laid off as of this Friday ... This means no money to kick in :(but, time enough to support at court ;D ...
Best of luck!
Distributed virtual yardsale fundraiser:
ChipIn and eBay user PayPal. So spend an hour selling dusty olf crap on eBay, then turn around and use your PayPal balance on the ChipIn.
Just realized there wasn't a calendar event (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15806.0) linked to this thread.
:duh:
And I was just told that the court date on Tuesday is the arraignment, not the trial. Posted a correction.
You better get your shit together Jeremy.
finally got a video up about this sorry for the slowness
one thing we need at both the arraignment and the trial: Someone to videotape the court events and someone to upload the raw vid and/or audio. That is not something I generallydo, videotaping entire events. If I am there i'm going to want to operate more outside the courthouse doing interviews or what not. If i'm not there i would focus on editing whatever video and audio you guys shoot.
calls to porcupine 411 from during the trial and *immediately* after can also be great on ridley reports.
Quote from: grasshopper on October 10, 2008, 01:38 PM NHFT
The mind set of this pig.
Re: Heavily armed man arrested in traffic stop
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe this cat was really, really obese and they meant to say "heavy and armed".
"Bullet proof vest", right up there with "clips". I'll bet I could find something that will put a bullet through that vest...
i read this forum a lot too (masscops - a forum for police officers). sometimes i'm actually kind of impressed by the comments made on it. such as when one cop called stupid people who want to ban knives "sheeple". lots of horrible comments too, so it's tuff to gauge sometimes.
here is the link to that forum:
http://www.masscops.com/forums/history/topic.php/62915-1.html
Quote from: n/a on October 25, 2008, 05:32 AM NHFT
i read this forum a lot too (masscops - a forum for police officers). sometimes i'm actually kind of impressed by the comments made on it. such as when one cop called stupid people who want to ban knives "sheeple". lots of horrible comments too, so it's tuff to gauge sometimes.
here is the link to that forum:
http://www.masscops.com/forums/history/topic.php/62915-1.html
You'd be surprised how many cops will talk about freedom with people one on one and then 'just follow orders'. I'd say most of them are not as sadistic as we sometimes notice, but rather let the obedience to 'the law' cloud their judgment.
That's a pretty damn funny avatar... ;D +1 for you.
(http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4596;type=avatar)
When they came for the Jews I did nothing, because I wasn't Orthodox.
When they came for the health system I did nothing, because I wasn't a doctor.
When they came for the William H. Walkers of Grafton NH I... :couch:
Quote from: telomerase on October 25, 2008, 03:38 PM NHFT
When they came for the William H. Walkers of Grafton NH I... :couch:
You're next, bubba.
Ivy may have "given them a 'fake' name . . ."
but I gave them a fake address - yours. MWUHAHAHAHAHA! >:D
[I
wanted to tell them we were Russel[l] Kanning and Lauren Canario, but I chickened out. :-\ )
Quote from: ivyleague28477 on October 26, 2008, 11:28 PM NHFT
Tomorrow is the last day for donations on our ChipIn. We need to pay Evan by Tuesday morning if we are going to be able to use him for Bill's case. Hopefully we can raise enough. I have to "go it alone" on my case unfortunately - conflict of interest for one lawyer to represent co-defendants and we can't afford one lawyer let alone two.
Anyone who can be in the court for our arraignment Tuesday morning will be much appreciated as well. It's at Manchester District Court on Amherst Street at oh-god-thirty in the morning (that's 8:15am) :D. Bring your cameras and cell phones so we can keep Dave Ridley posted.
Thanks to all!
Updates and new trial dates posted:—
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15806.0
https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php/topic,1299.0.html