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According to the Porc 411 Ian was arrested and taken to a small room without any public allowed and the kangroo kourt seems to be having their way with him.
god they're such assholes.
Dave Ridley's additional info.
First they don't want to allow him to meet his accuser, now they won't even give him a public trial?
What country is this exactly??
I showed up but didn't witness it personally because I refused to remain in the courtroom when we were all informed ahead of time that anyone who didn't rise for the judge entering and leaving would be subject to sanction for contempt of court. I wasn't prepared to be arrested today but the next time I go, I'll make sure I'm prepared. Dave interviewed me briefly before we were rudely interrupted so I suspect it will be in an upcoming Ridley Report. Just as was happening in the federal court when NHFree was mentioned in Lauren and Kat's trials, we are clearly being targeted for our speech.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
Guess what stage we're at?
To those outside NH reading this, it's time to move, people. You don't have to get arrested, but we need your moral support, your voices, your cameras. A letter or two to feel your support while in the cage won't hurt. There are so many things that people can do to help.
If I understand correctly, he was arrested on a contempt charge, which will probably be used to mask the fact that he's being imprisoned for the placement of furniture on his property.
Amazing.
Kudos for Ian, though I personally think something he discussed on the show had merit. All in all, this is a win. I will call no man or woman "Honor" unless they've earned it. Lauren and Kat, they're honorable. Men in dresses on benches to feed their ego? No way.
I don't fault Ian for not standing, I fully support it. But as Josh said, this will no be spun as a beligerant guy, bent on chaos rather than standing for property rights.
QuoteWhat country is this exactly??
I've begun calling it the USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika) and not just to make a point.
Quote from: Josh on November 14, 2008, 01:10 PM NHFT
If I understand correctly, he was arrested on a contempt charge, which will probably be used to mask the fact that he's being imprisoned for the placement of furniture on his property.
It's not about the couch on his property. It's that he's asking valid questions about the source of their authority and that's EXTREMELY threatening. Simple speech is very powerful when it's the truth being used against lies. From how it was described to me, and we'll see it on video soon hopefully, they pounced on him before he could even barely get started. It's like they can't even let the words escape his mouth!
According to AnarchoJesse on Porc411, Ian got about 100 days in Jail based on 3 contempt charges and some other crap.
UPDATE: Audio attached.
Quote from: dalebert on November 14, 2008, 01:17 PM NHFT
It's the kind of experience that makes you re-think everything. And just to be clear, I don't mean re-thinking things in terms of backing off. Quite the opposite.
That's the feeling I had just from Jesse's Porc411 message.
They are pretensioned, like a spring under compression.
So all you have to do to disrupt the court is refuse to stand, they are screwed. Their process is vulnerable. Their over reaction is their weakness.
Do you mean vulnerable?
Quote from: error on November 14, 2008, 01:25 PM NHFT
Do you mean vulnerable?
Give him a break. He had a long day yesterday. :)
no justice, no peace (edit: not meaning start violence)
who was the judge?
Burke... same as last time.
Where is Michael Scofield when you need him?
The penalty for the "crime" of having his couch on his property (the "crime" being that a theoretical person complained) was 3 days in jail. The penalty for annoying the judge was 90 days in jail. The purpose of the "judicial" system is to protect the whims of those who work in the "judicial" system.
I would guess that a public trial for a code violation being removed from the public eye (well, the public ear, since they could still watch a silent TV, apparently) would make mainstream news. Is this worth alerting the Keene Sentinel?
100 days? That's nuts!
Clearly they're trying to scare us...so we can't let it work.
80 years x 365 days = 29,200. 29,200 / 100 = 292. That's 1/292 of a longer than average life in a cage over a couch!
I wasn't there for the trial. Is Ian serving his 100 (93?) days in jail starting now? Or will they release him (on bail? will Ian pay?) until their new trial for his "contempt" charges?
tailing burke doesn't sound as bad of an idea anymore.
I put my Free Ian photos and info on myspace and facebook.
QuoteYou had to be there. You really did. It was beginning to feel like the oppression in the federal courtrooms, all in response to us simply speaking up. The tyranny was stifling. I felt like I was suffocating. I was on the verge of tears on the way home. It's the kind of experience that makes you re-think everything. And just to be clear, I don't mean re-thinking things in terms of backing off. Quite the opposite.
I get the clear impression from the tone of the calls that things have changed. I posted on the FTL BBS (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=25318.msg464527#msg464527) asking how this changes the dynamic in Keene. It seems clear that the government people are tired of dealing with liberty activists in courts so perhaps it's time to simply stop going to them - after all, the guy called "Judge" is well aware we're already contemptuous of them.
I blogged about this (http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/90-days-in-prison-for-refusing-to-stand.html) as soon as the Porc 411 messages started coming through. I expected Ian to go to jail today cause he's a stubborn ass, but this seems like a railroading. It didn't even get to the couch part, not even to the demand to see his accuser. Nobody should give that any respect, not even to the point of defending against it. This is frightening, these closed "trials", intimidation of the public before proceedings.
Please spread the news, digg Kevin's post here: http://digg.com/odd_stuff/90_days_in_prison_for_refusing_to_stand
QuoteYour blog says 90 days plus 10 days. I see on this thread it says 90 days for 3 days.
The second Porc 411 message said 90 + 10 for refusal to pay the fines. I'll correct it later if need be once the details are more final. I wanted to get it out to the people why read my feed.
QuoteI thought Jesse in the Porc411 message said Ian refused to sit.
I'll trust the word of those who were there and correct if needed.
QuoteI'd rather Digg the FreeKeene blog because that is the one Ian asked Dale to blog on and it will also promote the Free Keene Blog, which helps Ian again.
It's not a one-or-the-other proposition. ;) No, it's fine. I don't particularly feel as if I conveyed a great point in the blog, and it really is hearsay from me. Once it's up, I'll Digg!
#@% FASCIST PIGS!
digg all and everything.
maybe Shane or Brad can help him?
Since Ian constantly talkded smack about me, continuosly whacked my karma and even set his alarm to wack it hourly, how ironic for him to be a recipient of Instant Karma.
I do hope it all works out for him though.
Often the people who hate me the most, I love the most.
Kola
I called the court and asked under what RSA they did this, and they said no RSA it was a contempt of court charge. Nobody could explain to me how that did not have an RSA to back it and they suggested I write or fax in my questions.
They don't need RSAs.... they have guns.
He was probably charged with direct criminal contempt, which is dealt with summarily.
There are no RSA's involved its an inherent power of the court.
Honestly I expected him to get arrested.
But 100 days!?
Bunch of power hungry pricks.
I bet Judge Fascist will be jerking off all night to getting his power trip over this "little man that thinks he is free". >:(
Quote from: Puke on November 14, 2008, 03:33 PM NHFT
Honestly I expected him to get arrested.
But 100 days!?
Bunch of power hungry pricks.
I bet Judge Fascist will be jerking off all night to getting his power trip over this "little man that thinks he is free". >:(
100 days does seem to be excessive! The cross dresser Burke probably thought he is nipping this freedom thing in the bud but I think he is doing the opposite.
the "good" judge will be making new "friends".
maybe start a fan club for him since he thinks hes so special that commoners have to stand up in his presence.
Kola
When the court is contemptible, it deserves the contempt it's going to get.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k33nP4AopiY
i'm confused...i thought ian was jailed for standing and declining to sit.
I'm pretty sure he was jailed for questioning their authority. Whatever excuse they are using is irrelevant.
everyone should have done what was requested Stood up when the Judge entered, but nobody had to say they needed to face the Judge. Turning your back on a person of "authority" is the ultimate insult IMHO
Quote from: neggy on November 14, 2008, 04:25 PM NHFT
everyone should have done what was requested Stood up when the Judge entered, but nobody had to say they needed to face the Judge. Turning your back on a person of "authority" is the ultimate insult IMHO
Good point. There are endless ways to both comply and create a new sign of disrespect.
The Judge sees himself as royalty, no one may question or disrespect his benevolent self.
He also sees himself as ten times more important than the city of Keene, since one infraction against him equals 30 days where an infraction against the city equals 3 days.
Shame on you judge Burke! Shame on you for being so insecure that you must hurt people who have done no harm! Shame on you for violating the oath you swore to protect and honor the Constitution. Shame on you for letting your emotional anger baby impulses lead your actions to violate the rights of others.
Burke you are a traitor!
Burke you are a scumbag!
Burke may everything you do come back to you 10 fold!
Burke may you see the justice you deserve!
Burke you will be remembered as a coward!
So Mote it be 3X3X3!!!
If someone wants to get some "Free Ian Freeman" yard signs professionally made, I'll throw in $50. PM me.
https://secure.nhbar.org/publications/display-news-issue.asp?id=2804
CONCORD - Gov. John Lynch said today that he will nominate Edward Burke of Keene, the former Cheshire County Attorney, to serve as presiding justice of the Keene District Court at Wednesday's Governor and Council meeting. The Council will vote on the nomination after holding a public hearing.
Burke is currently in private practice with the law firm of Bragdon and Berkson in Keene. He served as Cheshire County Attorney from 1997 to 2001.
"Edward Burke has extensive knowledge and experience in the different issues likely to come before the Keene District Court - from criminal law to family law to civil litigation. He has a deep knowledge of the Keene area, and is well suited to meet the challenges facing the Keene District Court," Gov. Lynch said. "With his knowledge of the law and his commitment to the people of New Hampshire, Edward Burke will serve the state well as presiding justice of the Keene District Court."
Gov. Lynch selected Edward Burke from candidates nominated by the Judicial Selection Commission. Gov. Lynch created the Judicial Selection Commission to ensure the most comprehensive searches possible for potential judicial candidates.
"Mr. Burke is enthusiastic, thoughtful, energetic and well spoken. He is well respected by both members of the bar and the bench. His professional experience, including his dedication to his local community, compassion and deep roots in the Keene area make Mr. Burke a highly qualified candidate for the Keene District Court," Jill Blackmer and Philip Waystack, the chairs of the Commission wrote to Gov. Lynch in recommending Burke.
Mr. Burke has practiced law in the City of Keene since 1979. He initially served as an Assistant County Attorney in Cheshire Country from 1979 to 1980 and then moved into private practice where he worked as an associate attorney with two firms, Bragdon, Berkson, Mangones and Arthur Olson. He began his own firm in 1985, and worked as a solo practitioner for 11 years. He served as Cheshire County Attorney from 1997 to 2001. Since 2001, he has been in private practice with Bragdon & Berkson.
Mr. Burke is deeply involved in community activities including currently serving as a member of the board of Rise ... For Baby and Family, an early intervention program for children under 3. He has also served on the board of directors of the Woodward Home in Keene, on the board of the Monadnock United Way, on the board of Monadnock Family Services, and on the board of Cheshire Homes. He has served as the moderator for the Keene school district since 1999, and previously served on the Keene School Board and Keene Zoning Board of Adjustment.
He received his bachelor's degree from the University of New Hampshire in 1974 and his law degree from the University of Miami School of Law in 1978.
Phone: (603) 399-7794
Fax: (603) 399-8334
Mailing Address
Name
Cheshire County D.O.C.
160 River Road
Westmoreland, NH 03467
Bizarre image from their homepage
(http://www.co.cheshire.nh.us/hoc/Images/Bridge2.JPG)
Bridge to Freedom
I guess Ian is on the wrong side of the bridge right now.
I plan on stealing Ian's couch and leaving it on the City Hall steps while he is prison. Maybe weigh it down or nail it down, make it a pain in the ass for them to remove.
93 days? I'm fuckin pissed off. When I went to Ian's original court appearance I overheard one of the officers say that he'd like to "throw all of them in jail", meaning us activists. I think it's pretty much a forgone conclusion, that at this rate, a good deal of us will be going to jail in the near future.
Is Ryan going to jail? (http://www.enigmacurry.com/2008/11/14/is-ryan-going-to-jail/)
By Ryan McGuire
posted at EnigmaCurry.com
I've come to the realization that I will be going to jail in the near future. Not for hurting anyone, but because the oppressive and unconstitutional powers that be see me as an Enemy of the State and an affront to their illegitimate power.
Two friends of mine have recently been thrown in jail. Neither of them have harmed, had any intention of harming, nor even inconvenienced, anyone. Their "crimes" are for having "contempt" for the state-funded thugs that wish to bully them into compliance with their procedures. Their only "crime" is that they had some questions, questions that the state did not want to hear.
Lauren Canario, who was invited to the federal court building to retrieve her camera (that the feds stole from her), walked through a metal detector checkpoint at a time when the guards weren't looking. She was ordered to go back through the checkpoint and was subsequently arrested when she asked why she was required to do so. She'll be in federal prison for 30 days.
Ian Freeman, of Free Talk Live (http://www.freetalklive.com), today was arrested over a couch. You can read the backstory of his case where his tenants have an old couch in his yard (http://freekeene.com/2008/10/18/will-they-throw-me-in-a-cage-or-steal-my-home-over-this-freedom-couch-pictures/") that the city of Keene wants removed. Ian is very willing to remove the couch, but simply wants to talk to the person who made the original complaint. Instead of hiding behind the force of government, the original complainant should speak to Ian in a friendly, neighborly way just as civilized communities ought to behave.
Instead, Ian was compelled to go to court today. He went there having every intention of complying with the request to remove the couch. He has also made this very clear to the court on previous occasions. He simply wanted to demand that he be confronted by his accuser, as is his constitutional right. However, within 45 seconds of entering the court room, he was railroaded into being found in contempt of court and was immediately arrested. The court removed the public observers from the room and only allowed them to view Ian on camera (without audio) to monitor the proceedings. The judge found him guilty, despite not being shown his accuser, and he has been sentenced to three days in prison for the matter of the couch and 90 days for being in contempt of the court's proceedings.
The Keene city court has today shown that it is a court that does not recognize the right to be confronted with one's accusers, a court that does not recognize the right to have a public trial, and a court which has gone way beyond simply upholding the "rule of law". What country is this exactly?!? The Keene city court has decided that it has a personal vendetta against all local liberty activists. Accordingly, the prospect of me going to prison is a virtual forgone conclusion. I will refuse to back down from asserting my rights when the time comes. My line in the sand was crossed quite some time ago.
The state thinks it can quell liberty simply by flexing its muscles. On the contrary, an equal, and very much opposite reaction is about to occur.
Can I get Ian's "legal" name so we can insure he gets mail?
Ian Bernard (aka Ian Freeman) might be the safest way to address it. Just a thought.
Wow... powerful stuff Ryan.
Double plus good on your signature line. 8)
Quote from: Ryan McGuire on November 14, 2008, 05:06 PM NHFT
93 days? I'm fuckin pissed off. When I went to Ian's original court appearance I overheard one of the officers say that he'd like to "throw all of them in jail", meaning us activists. I think it's pretty much a forgone conclusion, that at this rate, a good deal of us will be going to jail in the near future.
Is Ryan going to jail? (http://www.enigmacurry.com/2008/11/14/is-ryan-going-to-jail/)
By Ryan McGuire
posted at EnigmaCurry.com
I've come to the realization that I will be going to jail in the near future. Not for hurting anyone, but because the oppressive and unconstitutional powers that be see me as an Enemy of the State and an affront to their illegitimate power.
Two friends of mine have recently been thrown in jail. Neither of them have harmed, had any intention of harming, nor even inconvenienced, anyone. Their "crimes" are for having "contempt" for the state-funded thugs that wish to bully them into compliance with their procedures. Their only "crime" is that they had some questions, questions that the state did not want to hear.
Lauren Canario, who was invited to the federal court building to retrieve her camera (that the feds stole from her), walked through a metal detector checkpoint at a time when the guards weren't looking. She was ordered to go back through the checkpoint and was subsequently arrested when she asked why she was required to do so. She'll be in federal prison for 30 days.
Ian Freeman, of Free Talk Live (http://www.freetalklive.com), today was arrested over a couch. You can read the backstory of his case where his tenants have an old couch in his yard (http://freekeene.com/2008/10/18/will-they-throw-me-in-a-cage-or-steal-my-home-over-this-freedom-couch-pictures/") that the city of Keene wants removed. Ian is very willing to remove the couch, but simply wants to talk to the person who made the original complaint. Instead of hiding behind the force of government, the original complainant should speak to Ian in a friendly, neighborly way just as civilized communities ought to behave.
Instead, Ian was compelled to go to court today. He went there having every intention of complying with the request to remove the couch. He has also made this very clear to the court on previous occasions. He simply wanted to demand that he be confronted by his accuser, as is his constitutional right. However, within 45 seconds of entering the court room, he was railroaded into being found in contempt of court and was immediately arrested. The court removed the public observers from the room and only allowed them to view Ian on camera (without audio) to monitor the proceedings. The judge found him guilty, despite not being shown his accuser, and he has been sentenced to three days in prison for the matter of the couch and 90 days for being in contempt of the court's proceedings.
The Keene city court has today shown that it is a court that does not recognize the right to be confronted with one's accusers, a court that does not recognize the right to have a public trial, and a court which has gone way beyond simply upholding the "rule of law". What country is this exactly?!? The Keene city court has decided that it has a personal vendetta against all local liberty activists. Accordingly, the prospect of me going to prison is a virtual forgone conclusion. I will refuse to back down from asserting my rights when the time comes. My line in the sand was crossed quite some time ago.
The state thinks it can quell liberty simply by flexing its muscles. On the contrary, an equal, and very much opposite reaction is about to occur.
Quote from: lastlady on November 14, 2008, 05:10 PM NHFT
Can I get Ian's "legal" name so we can insure he gets mail?
I don't know. Ian might prefer the name he has taken for himself.
They could bounce it, but then again, maybe he deserves to be called whatever he wants.
Shit, I'll call him Sir from now on.
Wow Ryan.
Can I print that?
This is totally unbelievable. I hope Ian will forgive me for saying this may be the best thing to happen to this movement ever. WAY TO GO IAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2008, 05:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: lastlady on November 14, 2008, 05:10 PM NHFT
Can I get Ian's "legal" name so we can insure he gets mail?
I don't know. Ian might prefer the name he has taken for himself.
They could bounce it, but then again, maybe he deserves to be called whatever he wants.
Shit, I'll call him Sir from now on.
Just a guess but 100 days is a long time to not get any mail. If it doesn't have his legal name written on the envelope he won't get it.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 05:22 PM NHFT
Wow Ryan.
Can I print that?
This is totally unbelievable. I hope Ian will forgive me for saying this may be the best thing to happen to this movement ever. WAY TO GO IAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ditto Ditto Ditto!!!
Quote from: lastlady on November 14, 2008, 05:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2008, 05:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: lastlady on November 14, 2008, 05:10 PM NHFT
Can I get Ian's "legal" name so we can insure he gets mail?
I don't know. Ian might prefer the name he has taken for himself.
They could bounce it, but then again, maybe he deserves to be called whatever he wants.
Shit, I'll call him Sir from now on.
Just a guess but 100 days is a long time to not get any mail. If it doesn't have his legal name written on the envelope he won't get it.
Well, what's the penalty for trying once. Someone close by try Freeman and if it goes thru great.
Do it the way you like, I'm thinking of what he might like. :)
This stuff has symbolism. It obviously matters to Ian he changed his name.
It could have been better for the movement had he actually gone to jail over the couch. I wish he had played by their rules and made them put him in jail for the couch, instead of giving them reason to change the subject.
Obviously, it's an easy thing for me to say sitting in the comfort of a cave in the woods as opposed to a cage.
It will be interesting to see where things go from here.
I told family, that aren't Freedom Movement folks, and they see it as 100 days for a couch.
I prefaced it by telling a little of the backstory and that he questioned their right to make these arbitrary rules. Did the people vote these rules in? I find others are persuaded by these arguments.
3 days is not a story of injustice, as 100 days after a secret star chamber verdict.
I'd say Ian showed respect above and beyond the call--Judge Burke's court is clearly beneath contempt . . .
Quote from: Josh on November 14, 2008, 05:34 PM NHFTI wish he had played by their rules and made them put him in jail for the couch, instead of giving them reason to change the subject.
ditto, but i see this as ian's way of educating us by example...we will see things he did right and wrong and learn from them.
I think this happened to Ian because he talked about protesting outside a judge's home. They slapped him down.
i already mentioned that earlier Kat, on another thread.
don't steal my thunder.. ;)
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There will be some Free Lauren stuff later. And a couch enforcer shirt.
Ideas/critiques welcome.
He is a mouthpiece for the movement, and he was made an example of. I think that's all there is to it.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 14, 2008, 05:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Josh on November 14, 2008, 05:34 PM NHFTI wish he had played by their rules and made them put him in jail for the couch, instead of giving them reason to change the subject.
ditto, but i see this as ian's way of educating us by example...we will see things he did right and wrong and learn from them.
Judge Edward Burke (possibly one of the least bad judges you'll encounter)
Dave Ridley
Still think this Dave, or this an example of learning. :)
I think it's a safe assumption that we're all still learning. I know Burke gave me a warm/fuzzy feeling when he went back on his decision regarding camera panning.
He has proven that any respect he may have earned from that decision was ill-deserved.
Can anyone rig a webcam to keep an eye on the couch? Someone is going to take it, eventually, and it would be helpful to know when this happens, as well as having the evidence.
I know some people don't like Alex Jones but he does have a pretty big audience I wonder if there is some way to get this story to him.
I've tried emailing him things before and nothing happens, I don't even get a response so I don't know if there is a special email that he pays attention to.
This is starting to become way too large in regards to the blatant Nazi treatment of Lauren, Kat, and now Ian, for this news to stay in New Hampshire. It ,(news), has to be spread as far as we can take it.
Any ideas? I'm in for whatever I can do.
Quote from: Josh on November 14, 2008, 05:56 PM NHFT
I think it's a safe assumption that we're all still learning. I know Burke gave me a warm/fuzzy feeling when he went back on his decision regarding camera panning.
He has proven that any respect he may have earned from that decision was ill-deserved.
You are new to this and it is understandable. They always put on the appearance of decency.
Dave goes out of his way to apologize for judges and cops.
Most of it is his christian, good manners. Some of it is his republican law and order bent.
The only reason I bring it up is because as a "voice of the movement" he sometimes goes too far in the fair and balanced editorializing. Of course that is the downside of narrating. I always let the principals speak for themselves.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2008, 06:05 PM NHFT
You are new to this and it is understandable. They always put on the appearance of decency.
I wake up every day knowing fully well that I'm violating no less than 3 federal laws, and many state laws that I am not even aware of.
Your presumption is ill-informed.
Dave does, obviously, cut some slack to the other side. This is smart.
I am new to this forum, but certainly NOT to the fight. I don't want to argue, just think it's fair that I clarify this.
Quote from: Josh on November 14, 2008, 06:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2008, 06:05 PM NHFT
You are new to this and it is understandable. They always put on the appearance of decency.
I wake up every day knowing fully well that I'm violating no less than 3 federal laws, and many state laws that I am not even aware of.
Your presumption is ill-informed.
Dave does, obviously, cut some slack to the other side. This is smart.
I am new to this forum, but certainly NOT to the fight. I don't want to argue, just think it's fair that I clarify this.
Nothing I said was meant as a slam...
I think you are a terrific addition. 8) And a good guy to boot. :)
Just my observations and after dealing with folks involved for a good deal of time.
No worries. I just wanted to make sure my position was clear.
Thanks. :)
When a person from the general public is observing a trial and they don't stand, take their hat off or generally kiss the ring of the powerful judge they can be cited and imprisoned for contempt of court? I didn't know that. What if a persons religion doesn't allow them to "worship" judges...isn't this in conflict with Constitutional rights? (I know the constitution and bill of rights are pretty much dead but humor me)
I like the idea of standing with backs to the judge...perhaps with shirts all printed with the same message to give the judge something thoughtful to read?
I wonder if the accuser (the couch hater person) knows what has happened to Ian?
I wonder if the couch police feel good about "just doing their job"?
I wonder if the town ordinance is specific on what a couch is? For instance is lawn furniture allowed?
Wicker furniture? Wicker furniture with cushions? A home made hybrid indoor outdoor futon like couch?
When does a piece of furniture become a couch and therefore dangerous...I'm afraid to go in my living room because I think my statist couch might attack me.
Clearly Ian is being punished for more than having a naughty couch. He has dared to question the great and powerful Oz. I feel ashamed to sit and do nothing while he sits somewhere for 100 days.
Ryan was right...alot more people will be jailed for the crime of wanting to be left alone.
everyone can do something in their own way. This has lit me up and made me decide on Keene. I'm so angry just sitting here stewing on what it is I can do.
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Call in: 603-357-1290
Call the local political talk show and bring up Ian's arrest.
Quote from: Ryan McGuire on November 14, 2008, 01:07 PM NHFT
What country is this exactly??
The Shire
but we are currently occupied by troops from the US of A
Anyone have the audio from today that was played on FTL?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 14, 2008, 07:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: Ryan McGuire on November 14, 2008, 01:07 PM NHFT
What country is this exactly??
The Shire
but we are currently occupied by troops from the US of A
One of these days I hope you and I can sit around a bon fire and tell stories to people of how it
used to be during the occupation.
Quote from: Jon Maltz on November 14, 2008, 03:14 PM NHFT
I called the court and asked under what RSA they did this, and they said no RSA it was a contempt of court charge. Nobody could explain to me how that did not have an RSA to back it and they suggested I write or fax in my questions.
the judge said so ... that is why
Quote from: Puke on November 14, 2008, 04:32 PM NHFT
There are endless ways to both comply and create a new sign of disrespect.
Funny or not, I wasn't joking when I suggested humming "I've Been Working on the Railroad"--and it would be impossible to tell who was humming.
Are there any wheelchair-bound libertarians who can be placed on seats in the courtroom?
Maybe we need a big in court demonstration on the day Ian's hauled in to court again....for the Keene Freedom Festival ticket.
Could do a little test to see just how many people they can cage at one time.
I can't promise as of yet to attend, but with some notice I'll gladly lose a weekend.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 07:26 PM NHFT
Maybe we need a big in court demonstration on the day Ian's hauled in to court again....for the Keene Freedom Festival ticket.
Definitely. A show of mass support at this event would be very significant.
All rise for the judge, and give him a big bare ass demo.
Folks, I created a website/service that makes it super easy to write letters to jailed freedom activists. Please check out Mail-to-Jail (http://mail-to-jail.com). If you type or paste a letter to Ian or Lauren, I will print it out and mail it to them in jail, and I will pay for postage.
When Lauren was taken last time, I was a little depressed. I thought how tough it must be to be in jail for 30 days (and Ian's in for 93!), and how good it would feel to receive letters from friends and supporters, to hear about news from the real world, about the progress of liberty, about how my actions were affecting others, etc. Just to communicate (even if it's one-way) would help endure the days.
So I wanted to make it as easy as possible for people to send letters to imprisoned New Hampshire freedom activists. You don't need to buy postage, print anything out, address an envelope, know the prison name or look up the mailing address, or drop anything in the mail. All of those are very easy to do, but now you have to do none of them anyway! Just go to Mail-to-Jail (http://mail-to-jail.com), type your letter, and I'll mail it for you.
Please write letters to Ian and Lauren. Show them your support and thanks!
Kat with all due respect, there is no need to chance an indecent exposure charge as part of a protest of ideals. Turning around and facing the other way will send a loud, clear silent message of contempt that will be hard for the sitting Judge to action, but I am not a lawyer.
I once pulled an act of civil disobedience in a courtroom, but I was able to get away from the court officers before they could get me. They were looking for me everywhere, and the local cops, who were sympathetic to my situation, announced every place the were headed to serve me 20 minutes ahead of time, knowing I had multiple scanners running in my car. I was sitting 20 miles away planning my exodus to the mid west listening to them on the scanner. I even returned to the area to do my Christmas Hayride thing for a local school in plain view of the locals without incident. I did turn myself in the next day and was punished by being made to be the last case of the day. BFD.
Caller John's reference to Ian's Judge..."Judge Burke is a Jerk" (on FTL's Show tonight) I thought was a civil way to put it and it make me think of: Judge Jerk Burke, or Judge Burke Jerk or Judge BJ are all fitting nicknames for a man who would not give a peaceful man a public hearing (why did he take Ian into a separate room? what's up with that?).
Bottomline, I found this Judge's behavior extremely disappointing, appalling and disgraceful for someone who is supposed to "protect and uphold the law" and I can only hope that the plain truth of his actions today will be reported.
Quote from: neggy on November 14, 2008, 07:52 PM NHFT
Kat with all due respect, there is no need to chance an indecent exposure charge as part of a protest of ideals. Turning around and facing the other way will send a loud, clear silent message of contempt that will be hard for the sitting Judge to action, but I am not a lawyer.
I once pulled an act of civil disobedience in a courtroom, but I was able to get away from the court officers before they could get me. They were looking for me everywhere, and the local cops, who were sympathetic to my situation, announced every place the were headed to serve me 20 minutes ahead of time, knowing I had multiple scanners running in my car. I was sitting 20 miles away planning my exodus to the mid west listening to them on the scanner. I even returned to the area to do my Christmas Hayride thing for a local school in plain view of the locals without incident. I did turn myself in the next day and was punished by being made to be the last case of the day. BFD.
::) ::) ::)
Ian should be able to have visits...even mass visits. All you need is gov't ID to go in to see him.
Quote from: slim on November 14, 2008, 03:37 PM NHFT
100 days does seem to be excessive! The cross dresser Burke probably thought he is nipping this freedom thing in the bud but I think he is doing the opposite.
hey ... as a fellow robe wearer :cardinal: ... I find Burke's little black dress to be very tasteful
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
Ian should be able to have visits...even mass visits. All you need is gov't ID to go in to see him.
We could make it a weekly event. Freeman Fridays, anyone?
Paul sympathizer gets 90 days after refusing to bully tenants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSgZBLWgGyY
Refusal to make his tenants move a couch puts Free Talk Live host Ian Freeman on trial. Insistence on standing during the trial puts him in jail for three months!
Freeman hosts a syndicated libertarian radio show based in Keene, New Hampshire - http://FreeTalkLive.com
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1826559#post1826559
http://ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?p=335934#post335934
http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=650403#post650403
http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/Paul-sympathizer-gets-90-days-after-refusing-to-bully-tenants
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/73151
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=18479&forum_id=65
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16262.0
Quote from: kellie on November 14, 2008, 08:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
Ian should be able to have visits...even mass visits. All you need is gov't ID to go in to see him.
We could make it a weekly event. Freeman Fridays, anyone?
That is an
awesome idea! How about on Sundays, before Social Sundays? Does the jail allow visiting on Sundays? I kind of doubt it, but don't know.
Quote from: kellie on November 14, 2008, 08:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
Ian should be able to have visits...even mass visits. All you need is gov't ID to go in to see him.
We could make it a weekly event. Freeman Fridays, anyone?
He should get one or two days a week for visits...it'll depend on his last name and how he's classified. We should be able to find out his visiting hours within a couple days. Russell was getting visitors even when he was in max, so even if he's not cooperating, he could get visitors. We won't be able to choose the day.
Two things came to mind while listening to Dale on FTL:
1. the guy who looked forward to putting cuffs on Dale was gay
2. I listened to this big spiel on mind control. One of the ways to gain someone's sypathy and compliance is to have them do a favor for you. When the judge asks you to stand and you do, that opens the way for more compliance. But I'm not explaining this as well as it was on the video I watch on it. :-\
do the 2 friends we have incarcerated have canteen accounts and are they funded?
Quote from: lastlady on November 14, 2008, 05:10 PM NHFT
Can I get Ian's "legal" name so we can insure he gets mail?
he might not give them any name
they might use whatever name he gives them
Quote from: AnarchoMartyr on November 14, 2008, 05:05 PM NHFT
I plan on stealing Ian's couch and leaving it on the City Hall steps while he is prison. Maybe weigh it down or nail it down, make it a pain in the ass for them to remove.
good idea
you could also sleep on it to make it a little heavier
Cor 301.05 Mail.
(a) A correctional officer shall be designated as the mail officer for each facility.
(b) All outgoing mail from residents, with the exception of privileged mail, shall be sent to the mailroom unsealed. The mail officer shall inspect letters for contraband, escape plans or other violations of statutes or standards of behavior. Mail which contains such items shall not be delivered.
(c) Incoming mail for residents shall be scanned to remove privileged correspondence. The mail officer shall inspect the non-privileged correspondence for any contraband or prohibited material, as listed below in (i) and remove checks and money orders. Cash, checks and money orders from unauthorized persons shall not be accepted in the mail and shall be returned to the sender with an explanation. Checks and money orders from authorized persons, those persons on the inmate's visiting list, shall be turned over to the bookkeeper who handles resident accounts to be credited to the resident's personal deposit account. Contraband items or prohibited material discovered in the mail shall not be delivered and shall be returned to the sender, after inmate notification or referred to appropriate law enforcement authorities, if appropriate.
(d) Packages shall be inspected by the mail officer. Only items in the quantities shown in the inmate or patient handbooks shall be delivered to the residents. Items which inmates are not authorized to have in their possession or items in excess of authorized allowances established for inmates by the chief administrator of the facility and contained within the inmate handbook shall be returned to the sender or otherwise disposed of as requested by the resident involved. Hobby craft and similar items received in the mail shall be inspected by the mail officer and then delivered to the staff person responsible for hobby craft or the particular special activity involved.
(e) Privileged mail shall consist of correspondence with public officials including any elected state or federal official and any appointed head of a state or federal agency, courts, and attorney.
(f) All privileged mail shall be completely confidential and shall be clearly marked on the front as "PRIVILEGED". It shall be handled without interference, inspection, reading or opening. It shall leave the possession of residents sealed and shall be delivered sealed, except that incoming mail shall be opened and inspected for contraband only in the presence of the resident addressee. When the author of either inbound or outbound mail is in doubt the mail officer shall bring such items to the attention of the department's investigations bureau prior to delivery or returning the mail to the sender.
(g) Non-privileged mail shall consist of correspondence except that as described as privileged in (e), above.
(h) Non-privileged mail both incoming and outgoing shall be inspected for contraband and read.
(i) Non-privileged mail shall be rejected if it includes any of the following types of information or information pertaining to any of the following activities:
(1) Descriptions or depictions of procedures for the construction or use of weapons, ammunition, bombs or incendiary devices;
(2) Materials that depict, encourage, or describe methods of escape from correctional facilities, or which contain blueprints, drawings, or similar descriptions of locking devices or penal institutions;
(3) Descriptions or depictions of procedures for the brewing of alcoholic beverages, or the manufacture of drugs;
(4) Any material that violates postal regulations, makes unlawful threats or attempts blackmail;
(5) Any material which contains contraband as defined by RSA 642:7, RSA 622:24, Cor 306 or Cor 301.05;
(6) Photographs or pictures of children or adult visitors or prospective visitors unclothed;
(7) Publications containing explicit descriptions, advertisements, or pictorial representations of homosexual acts, bestiality, sadomasochism, bondage, or sex involving children;
(8) Sexually explicit material that has no scholarly, medical or artistic value or would be detrimental to treatment or which would encourage or educate inmates or patients in unlawful sexual practices;
(9) Correspondence between inmates of any correctional institute;
(10) Documents written in code;
(11) Descriptions or depictions which encourage activities which lead to the use of physical violence or group disruption or gang activity;
(12) Materials that encourage or instruct in the commission of criminal activities or violation of standards of behavior of inmates;
(13) Any materials pertaining to gambling or a lottery;
(14) Solicitation of gifts, goods, or money from persons other than the resident's family;
(15) Correspondence constituting or contributing to the conduct or operation of a business, except correspondence necessary to protect the property and funds of the resident during confinement; and
(16) Contents that would, if transmitted, create a clear and present danger of violence and physical harm to persons or property, or severe psychiatric or emotional disturbance to a resident.
(j) Homosexual materials, that are not sexually explicit and cover the activities of gay-rights or gay religious groups or are literary publications with homosexual themes or preferences shall not be rejected.
(k) Material shall not be rejected solely because its content is religious, philosophical, political, social, sexual, unpopular or repugnant.
(l) In cases where mail is rejected the following shall apply:
(1) The originator of incoming mail shall be notified that the letter was rejected and provided with a opportunity to protest that decision by filing a complaint pursuant to Cor 200;
(2) When outgoing mail is not processed in the normal manner the inmate involved shall be notified that his or her mail was not forwarded and the reason for that action; and
(3) If the originator of either inbound or outbound mail protests the action taken on the mail the final decision shall be made by the chief administrator of the facility with right to appeal to the commissioner.
Source. (See Revision Note at chapter heading for Cor 300) #7448, eff 2-6-01
PART Cor 302 STANDARDS FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND OPERATION OF REHABILITATION RELATED PROGRAMS
People to call:
Mayor
2008 - 2009
Philip Dale Pregent
Address: 142 Marlboro Street
Phone: 352-6736
City Hall address:
3 Washington Street
Keene NH 03431
(603) 357-9805
Keene District Court
3 Washington Street
P.O. Box 364
Keene, NH 03431-0364
Justice: Hon. Edward J. Burke
Special Justice: Hon. Howard B. Lane
Clerk : Larry S. Kane, Esq.
Phone : (603) 352-2559
Hours : Monday - Friday, 8:00am to 4:00pm
New Hampshire Bar Association
2 Pillsbury Street, Suite 300, Concord NH 03301
phone: (603) 224-6942 fax: (603) 224-2910
email: NHBAinfo@nhbar.org
Just thought everyone might want to know there rules for the mail, so if it doesn't go through we know if they have a valid reason to reject it.
Quote from: neggy on November 14, 2008, 07:52 PM NHFT
Kat with all due respect, there is no need to chance an indecent exposure charge as part of a protest of ideals.
there could be a need ... maybe not for you
this is the rules re: visits, so he will only be allowed to assign 5 non family member to visit, and since I figure Juila, and Mark will be 2 there will only be 3 other spots he could allow people in.
Cor 305.02 Access to Institutions and Facilities of the Department of Corrections for the Purpose of Visiting Residents.
(a) Persons confined in departmental facilities may receive visits on a schedule established by their facility.
(b) Visits may be conducted as contact visits, meaning that residents and visitors sit together without any barriers between them.
(c) Non-contact visits shall occur when:
(1) Contact visiting would enhance the likelihood of contraband being introduced; or
(2) The department's investigations bureau has evidence from a credible source that a disruptive incident might occur.
(d) Visits shall be denied or restricted when:
(1) Security or safety is jeopardized; or
(2) When visitation by specific individuals would be detrimental to the mental health interests of the resident involved as determined by the mental health treatment team.
(e) Space shall be set aside for attorney visits that provides privacy where attorney-client confidentially can be maintained. Attorney visits shall occur during normal business hours.
(f) The administrator of each facility shall maintain a list of individuals approved to visit each inmate. Attorneys who wish to visit an inmate in a personal capacity shall be on the inmate's list of approved visitors. In order to apply for approval for visitation the individual's name, telephone number and date of birth shall be submitted by the inmate at least 14 working days prior to the visit to allow sufficient time to conduct a national crime information center criminal background check. A visitor shall not be listed on more than one inmate's approved list unless he or she is a member of the immediate family of each inmate.
(g) There shall be no limit on the number of members of an inmate's immediate family who can be approved to visit.
(h) For the purpose of (g) above, immediate family shall include:
(1) Husband;
(2) Wife;
(3) Children of the inmate;
(4) Mother;
(5) Father;
(6) Grandparents;
(7) Brothers;
(8) Sisters;
(9) Aunts;
(10) Uncles;
(11) Brother's spouse; and
(12) Sister's spouse.
(i) In order to manage the volume of visitors to the facility, a maximum of 5 visitors outside the immediate family shall be approved to visit. At the inmate's request these persons shall be taken off the approved list and replaced with another approved visitor. Any such visitor removed from the approved list shall not be placed on any other inmate's list of approved visitors for a period of 12 months.
(j) Visitors shall not visit inmates hospitalized in the community unless there is a life threatening illness or injury as verified by the treating physician.
(k) Visitors shall establish their identity by presenting a photographic identification document issued by a government agency such as a driver's license, military identification card or similar document or otherwise prove proper identification. Each visitor shall personally surrender this identification document to the security officer prior to entry into the facility for visiting and shall personally recover the identification document from the officer upon departure from the facility. Children under 16 shall not be required to have a photographic identification card to visit.
(l) Children under 18 shall not be permitted to visit unless accompanied by an adult who shall be a family member, guardian, or other person who shall demonstrate in writing that the minor has permission to visit from an adult who is responsible for the child such as a parent, guardian or family member.
(m) All visitors shall consent to a search of their persons, possessions and vehicle, if the vehicle is on prison grounds or remove themselves from prison grounds. Visitors shall secure items not authorized in the prison area in their vehicles or in the small lockers provided outside the visiting room prior to visiting. Visitors found to possess contraband contrary to law shall be reported to law enforcement authorities for possible prosecution and shall be barred from entry in accordance with Cor 305.04.
(n) Each visitor shall obey the orders and instructions furnished by the facility staff. Failure to do so shall result in termination of the visit and possible debarment pursuant to Cor 305.04.
(o) Persons convicted or under present indictment for a misdemeanor or felony in any jurisdiction shall not visit any resident without first obtaining written permission from the commissioner of corrections, or his designee pursuant to Cor 200.
(p) No visitor shall give, convey or leave any item or thing to a resident without advance approval of the administrator of the facility or his designee pursuant to Cor 200.
(q) Each visitor shall conform to the rules regarding visiting in the facility involved which include the following:
(1) Displays of affection such as hugging, kissing and embracing shall be limited to short durations, 15 seconds or less at the beginning and ending of visits, and bodily contact, except for handholding, shall not permitted during visiting for visitors above the age of 16;
(2) Abusive, obscene or vulgar language shall not be used on the facility grounds;
(3) Small children shall be restrained by the visitor responsible for them from disruptive behavior;
(4) Disruptive behavior on the part of adults or children shall result in the termination of the visit; and
(5) Refusal to follow instructions of the persons in charge of visiting shall result in the termination of the visit.
(r) Each visitor shall conform to the rules regarding visitor's attire while visiting in the facility which include the following:
(1) Jackets, coats or outer sweaters shall not be taken into the visiting room; and
(2) Garments that expose the breasts, the midriff, the upper thighs or buttocks or the genitalia shall not be allowed.
Source. (See Revision Note at chapter heading for Cor 300) #7448, eff 2-6-01
Remember that Judge Burke is the one who held Brian Severence imprisoned on contempt of court for a year.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 14, 2008, 05:05 PM NHFT
Phone: (603) 399-7794
Fax: (603) 399-8334
Mailing Address
Name
Cheshire County D.O.C.
160 River Road
Westmoreland, NH 03467
Just cause I know they're particular about this...
There is no inmate number or anything, we just put Ian's name and that address and it gets through?
Quote from: kellie on November 14, 2008, 08:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
Ian should be able to have visits...even mass visits. All you need is gov't ID to go in to see him.
We could make it a weekly event. Freeman Fridays, anyone?
after a while, you will probably be able to visit him.
People are throwing around ideas ... the best idea is to go for it ... tell others what you are going to do ... promote it ... and see who joins you
Here's the old thread on Severence:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=7692.0
Quote from: neggy on November 14, 2008, 08:35 PM NHFT
do the 2 friends we have incarcerated have canteen accounts and are they funded?
probably not at this time
I don't think Lauren will get an account.
Is Burke really stupid enough to think he can stop resistance with a little bit heavier hand?
At any rate, my thoughts and prayers are with Ian. :(
The LewRockwell blog has picked the story up:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/024015.html
Quote from: kellie on November 14, 2008, 09:26 PM NHFT
The LewRockwell blog has picked the story up:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/024015.html
It's been submitted to DIGG, so digg it as well
http://digg.com/politics/Free_Talk_Live_Show_Sentenced_To_93_Days_In_Jail
Quote from: Caleb on November 14, 2008, 09:19 PM NHFT
Is Burke really stupid enough to think he can stop resistance with a little bit heavier hand?
yes
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 08:45 PM NHFT
People to call:
Mayor
2008 - 2009
Philip Dale Pregent
Address: 142 Marlboro Street
Phone: 352-6736
City Hall address:
3 Washington Street
Keene NH 03431
(603) 357-9805
Keene District Court
3 Washington Street
P.O. Box 364
Keene, NH 03431-0364
Justice: Hon. Edward J. Burke
Special Justice: Hon. Howard B. Lane
Clerk : Larry S. Kane, Esq.
Phone : (603) 352-2559
Hours : Monday - Friday, 8:00am to 4:00pm
New Hampshire Bar Association
2 Pillsbury Street, Suite 300, Concord NH 03301
phone: (603) 224-6942 fax: (603) 224-2910
email: NHBAinfo@nhbar.org
OK, do you have Burke's home address and phone number? I looked on zaba, but there are multiple listings.
EDWARD J BURKE Born May 1948 Record Created: 08/2004
2 LILAC LN
KEENE, NH 03431 (603) 352-2972
EDWARD J BURKE Born May 1948 Record Created: Unknown
2 LILAC LN
KEENE, NH 03431 (603) 352-6168
EDWARD J BURKE Born May 1948 Record Created: 03/2002
56 CHAPMAN RD
KEENE, NH 03431 (603) 352-2972
EDWARD J BURKE Born May 1948 Record Created: 03/2002
56 CHAPMAN RD
KEENE, NH 03431 (603) 352-6168
Ian apparently had the address. They said he sent a letter there.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 05:47 PM NHFT
I think this happened to Ian because he talked about protesting outside a judge's home. They slapped him down.
Yes, this is exactly why.
From the video footage is is obvious they were planning to arrest him. That footage is very powerful this is going to create a lot of attention.
Quote from: Caleb on November 14, 2008, 09:19 PM NHFT
Is Burke really stupid enough to think he can stop resistance with a little bit heavier hand?
At any rate, my thoughts and prayers are with Ian. :(
I think they are in the trap where letting Ian do what he wants will encourage Ian to tell others that he is able to get away with what he did. And if they act as they did today, they will encourage others to help support him after seeing them for what they are.
Quote from: kalmia on November 14, 2008, 09:54 PM NHFT
I think they are in the trap where letting Ian do what he wants will encourage Ian to tell others that he is able to get away with what he did. And if they act as they did today, they will encourage others to help support him after seeing them for what they are.
That's right. Either way, the thugs lose.
I like the "Freeman Fridays" idea. :)
Quote from: error on November 14, 2008, 10:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: kalmia on November 14, 2008, 09:54 PM NHFT
I think they are in the trap where letting Ian do what he wants will encourage Ian to tell others that he is able to get away with what he did. And if they act as they did today, they will encourage others to help support him after seeing them for what they are.
That's right. Either way, the thugs lose.
Yeah though.. I'm not sure which way is better. A lot of people, me included, are still more encouraged if they see you actually can do or not do something and get away with it because we look forward to civil disobedience that doesn't result in months of jail time... So it may encourage people to speak up, rant on, sign up for this and that, go to this or that event.. but will it make them stop complying? Not so sure about that.
Not to mention that as a foreigner NH almost seems like a scary place.. At the same time you have the most liberty activists and so the most people who are actually like me and I could really hang out with, but also the most people getting arrested and tyrannized like this. It's supposed to be a "Free State".. But I guess it's a process.. and maybe the arrests here are just more visible.. in any case if I had a chance to move next year I probably would (I signed the pledge, but it's VERY hard to immigrate nowadays so it might not happen in years)..
For those who believe in such things:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lv/534/534-mrg.htm
Writs of Habeas Corpus.
534:25 Contempt. – If the person is imprisoned or restrained by order of a justice, or of any court or authority other than the supreme or superior court or a justice thereof, for contempt, the proceedings in the order and the cause thereof may be revised, and the order affirmed, modified or reversed by the superior court or a justice thereof.
Quote from: gu3st on November 14, 2008, 10:13 PM NHFT
I like the "Freeman Fridays" idea. :)
Quote from: error on November 14, 2008, 10:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: kalmia on November 14, 2008, 09:54 PM NHFT
I think they are in the trap where letting Ian do what he wants will encourage Ian to tell others that he is able to get away with what he did. And if they act as they did today, they will encourage others to help support him after seeing them for what they are.
That's right. Either way, the thugs lose.
Yeah though.. I'm not sure which way is better. A lot of people, me included, are still more encouraged if they see you actually can do or not do something and get away with it because we look forward to civil disobedience that doesn't result in months of jail time... So it may encourage people to speak up, rant on, sign up for this and that, go to this or that event.. but will it make them stop complying? Not so sure about that.
Not to mention that as a foreigner NH almost seems like a scary place.. At the same time you have the most liberty activists and so the most people who are actually like me and I could really hang out with, but also the most people getting arrested and tyrannized like this. It's supposed to be a "Free State".. But I guess it's a process.. and maybe the arrests here are just more visible.. in any case if I had a chance to move next year I probably would (I signed the pledge, but it's VERY hard to immigrate nowadays so it might not happen in years)..
Everyone chooses their comfort level. None of these folks came here this radical. Supporting the people that are taking the risks is an important role.
I don't know if Ian wants to go the habeas corpus route, though it would be interesting to see that video played in an appellate court of some kind.
I was going to email Alex Jones on all of his email options maybe my emails will get through that way. ::)
I stopped though because I wanted to ask if I should/could mention specific names? I can ask Kat directly if she would mind her arrest being mentioned but I can't ask Lauren or Ian, what do you think? :-\
Kat how do you feel about me trying to get your recent arrest info to Alex? If you like the idea is there anything specific you want me to put in the email?
can someone put out a news release and get it to the appropriate media. use the judge yelling vid
i'm tied down making vids
i've made an edit out of some of the arrest video itself, which you can link to in the news release...tells the story pretty well in 3 min
not yet up but check the site
I've just registered http://jailedactivist.info
I'm going to put up information on all presently and past caged activists. I figured it'd be easier then registering http://freeian.com this time and http://freejesse.com or whatever next time.
I'm working on it tonight... i hope to have it functional by morning. MengerFan wanted a url to put on buttons/shirts so we've already put it on the "Free Ian" merch over at http://store.blogofbile.com.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 14, 2008, 10:56 PM NHFT
can someone put out a news release and get it to the appropriate media. use the judge yelling vid
i'm tied down making vids
i've made an edit out of some of the arrest video itself, which you can link to in the news release...tells the story pretty well in 3 min
not yet up but check the site
I just sent an urgent email to WMUR with the links to the video and the digg page. I hope that's what you meant. :)
I just sent everything to CNN too, you never know!
for some reason channel 9 doesnt like to talk about the free staters unless its bad and i dont consider this bad it is showing the state bureaucrats for who and what they really are war mongers who dare resistors to stand up for their rights so they can show that person they have no rights not even in the state of " live free or die" I love that the free staters have chosen NH but the state is letting ian see who they think the boss is. Personally i think this is one of the defining moments for the free state project seeings how ian is somewhat of the voice for FSP at least he turned me onto it and many others, THANK YOU IAN FREEMAN for all you do in the name of LIBERTY.
Quote from: raineyrocks on November 14, 2008, 11:25 PM NHFT
I just sent an urgent email to WMUR with the links to the video and the digg page. I hope that's what you meant. :)
I just sent everything to CNN too, you never know!
There are all those "ireport" things now on the different stations sites. Perhaps someone can upload to those.
OK... I've done a basic data fill in for Ian at http://ian.jailedactivist.info. I'll get a better site theme tomorrow. If someone is willing to create pages for Lauren, Kat, Russell, etc. please register and let me know. I'll elevate your privilages and you can work on the particular page.
Quote from: bile on November 14, 2008, 11:05 PM NHFT
...put it on the "Free Ian" merch over at http://store.blogofbile.com.
Haha nice work! ;D
Thanks but all the hard work was done by my g/f laur. I came up with some of the ideas but she created and posted it all.
Quote from: AnarchoMartyr on November 14, 2008, 05:05 PM NHFT
I plan on stealing Ian's couch and leaving it on the City Hall steps while he is prison. Maybe weigh it down or nail it down, make it a pain in the ass for them to remove.
Can you say Epoxy?
Rainey, you can use my name, and I'm sure it's OK to talk to media about Lauren and Ian.
From the raw footage, it's clear Ian tried to comply with the order to sit down . He was sitting when the judge said to arrest him.
okay, i've always been cautious, cause i wanted to film and fight through documentation, but this was the breaking point for me. that being said, i don't think it can happen right away, but we have at least... what... 93 days to make it happen? so i suggest the following 2 ideas. take your pick:
everyday, for the entire length of ian's imprisonment, we pick up some crap couch at the dump or free craigslist toss out, and leave it in front of some government building in NH with a poster attached saying "FREE IAN", "STOP TYRANNY", "AMERICAN'S ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FREE", etc...
or
we plan a massive protest... lots and LOTS of people. and we all bring couches. sit them in front of the courthouse, town hall, jail, or something of that nature. just have a "comfy" sit in.
any takers, and i'll be happy to take charge.
Quote from: n/a on November 15, 2008, 05:55 AM NHFT
bring couches. sit them in front of the courthouse, town hall, jail, or something of that nature. just have a "comfy" sit in.
any takers, and i'll be happy to take charge.
Do it once, small scale, get a picture, post it, watch you karma grow, others might do it too. Only need to do it long enough to get the picture.
Lead from the front, by example.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 15, 2008, 06:09 AM NHFT
Do it once, small scale, get a picture, post it, watch you karma grow, others might do it too. Only need to do it long enough to get the picture.
Lead from the front, by example.
A real couch is a bit large. I wonder if there are miniature couches out there?
How much would a dump truck full of doll-house couches cost? :P
I think you can get kid sized couches at Walmart
More related articles to DIGG- Please digg also 6 of these too
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/NH_Man_gets_90_days_for_standing_at_own_trial_preview
http://digg.com/politics/NH_Paul_sympathizer_gets_90_days_for_standing_at_own_trial
http://digg.com/politics/NH_Paul_sympathizer_gets_90_days_for_standing_at_own_trial
http://digg.com/politics/Free_Talk_Live_host_will_go_to_jail_100_days_over_a_couch
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Radio_host_jailed_over_couch
http://digg.com/politics/Free_Talk_Live_Show_Sentenced_To_93_Days_In_Jail
nice. . . if anyone has social networking sites, please repost the diggs on there.
For visiting, check:
http://co.cheshire.nh.us/hoc/
click on Population Report
That page tells you when it was updated. When they update it and add Ian, you'll be able to tell when Ian's visiting hours are. Then you can just show up during his visiting hours, check in and show ID. You don't have to be searched or anything to get in. They'd completely freak if you went armed.
I agree with Roger.
Are you actually going to do this NA? Do you live close enough to Keene?
I love the idea.
Quote from: Pat K on November 14, 2008, 09:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 14, 2008, 05:47 PM NHFT
I think this happened to Ian because he talked about protesting outside a judge's home. They slapped him down.
Yes, this is exactly why.
If this is organized I WILL make the trip come hell or high water.
Cool.
I like the free ian and lauren banner too :D
The local political talk show is on now.
Call in and give them a piece of your mind!
9a-12p Eastern on 104.1 fm & 1290 am WKBK
Call in: 603-357-1290
The video that Toby posted clearly shows Ian about to _sit_, and no unreasonable delay in that either, he stands for the Judge (or was standing?), and then looks around behind him for the chair, grabbing it, is in the middle of sitting, when his name is called out, and he rises back out of his (middle of sitting) crouch.
Kangaroo Court for sure, and that bit of video is the damning evidence. There was no reasonable contempt prior to his being hauled off, and thus all of the rest was caused by this false claim.
Kudos to Toby for the video showing this so clearly and obviously.
assholes >:(
Called TalkBack, said my piece. They didn't have anything to really say but "I hope he'll keep pay the fine or a bail fee".
it's much more important to talk about all the idiots that don't save enough to pay for their own heat.
... this just in ...
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/IMG_7095-Couch-Protest.jpg)
The Secret Seven ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 15, 2008, 08:36 AM NHFT
... this just in ...
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/IMG_7095-Couch-Protest.jpg)
Hahah! Nice!
Ian is in his own "Free Ian" picture! 8)
it worked! lol
Quote from: AnarchoMartyr on November 15, 2008, 08:24 AM NHFT
Called TalkBack, said my piece. They didn't have anything to really say but "I hope he'll keep pay the fine or a bail fee".
I tried to ask them about property rights and then got all pissed and hung up on them. Oh well.
new digg video to digg
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Judge_loses_it_on_camera_jails_man_for_sitting_too_slow
bok gu3st ni sam znao da ti si free stater na Hrvatsku!
ali....ne razumijem sasvim dobro hrvatski
Quote from: gu3st on November 14, 2008, 10:13 PM NHFT
I like the "Freeman Fridays" idea. :)
Quote from: error on November 14, 2008, 10:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: kalmia on November 14, 2008, 09:54 PM NHFT
I think they are in the trap where letting Ian do what he wants will encourage Ian to tell others that he is able to get away with what he did. And if they act as they did today, they will encourage others to help support him after seeing them for what they are.
That's right. Either way, the thugs lose.
Yeah though.. I'm not sure which way is better. A lot of people, me included, are still more encouraged if they see you actually can do or not do something and get away with it because we look forward to civil disobedience that doesn't result in months of jail time... So it may encourage people to speak up, rant on, sign up for this and that, go to this or that event.. but will it make them stop complying? Not so sure about that.
Not to mention that as a foreigner NH almost seems like a scary place.. At the same time you have the most liberty activists and so the most people who are actually like me and I could really hang out with, but also the most people getting arrested and tyrannized like this. It's supposed to be a "Free State".. But I guess it's a process.. and maybe the arrests here are just more visible.. in any case if I had a chance to move next year I probably would (I signed the pledge, but it's VERY hard to immigrate nowadays so it might not happen in years)..
gu3st i love croatia and all that but your president in the 90s had, what, 17 different security/surveillance bureaucracies? have they all been disbanded and has the tax rate been dropped below 60 percent?
did your email link to the courtroom vid?
here is the partially edited courtroom vid i uploaded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5TCnMnCwVY
Quote from: raineyrocks on November 14, 2008, 11:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 14, 2008, 10:56 PM NHFT
can someone put out a news release and get it to the appropriate media. use the judge yelling vid
i'm tied down making vids
i've made an edit out of some of the arrest video itself, which you can link to in the news release...tells the story pretty well in 3 min
not yet up but check the site
I just sent an urgent email to WMUR with the links to the video and the digg page. I hope that's what you meant. :)
I just sent everything to CNN too, you never know!
jeremy couch wrote:
<< If this is organized I WILL make the trip come hell or high water.>>
your name IS couch, after all...
like that scene in the movie gandhi where the mahatma says to the journalist... i can't belive you are walking all the way across india with me... and the journalist says well my name IS walker LOL
Since laur is waiting account approval...
she approves of the image above ;D
http://store.blogofbile.com
She said she wants to put the image on the store. Is that okay?
BTW... that last caller on Talkback was a real tool.
UPDATE:
Is the audio from Talkback available somewhere? I know Ian would cut up the show normally but was that from a personal copy or publicly available? I wasn't up in time to capture the stream.
Quote from: AnarchoMartyr on November 15, 2008, 08:24 AM NHFT
Called TalkBack, said my piece. They didn't have anything to really say but "I hope he'll keep pay the fine or a bail fee".
There is no bail fee. The asshole on the phone had the nerve to tell me that I could pay $120 to get 3 days off. I told him to go fuck himself.
Quote from: Soundwave on November 15, 2008, 11:07 AM NHFT
Quote from: AnarchoMartyr on November 15, 2008, 08:24 AM NHFT
Called TalkBack, said my piece. They didn't have anything to really say but "I hope he'll keep pay the fine or a bail fee".
There is no bail fee. The asshole on the phone had the nerve to tell me that I could pay $120 to get 3 days off. I told him to go fuck himself.
$40 per day to let him go that is bullshite.
Awesome picture, Roger!
slim... i noticed you're using the image from the store from a product... after I grab some lunch I'll upload all those images to ian's page at http://jailedactivist.info so people can use them as they like.
If anyone is interested in designing Burke the Jerk wanted posters listing his crimes, I'll spend $150 to get them printed, and they can be put up around town, turned into yard signs, etc. Anyone interested? I think they could also be put up around his neighborhood.
Quote from: SamIam on November 15, 2008, 11:28 AM NHFT
If anyone is interested in designing Burke the Jerk wanted posters listing his crimes, I'll spend $150 to get them printed, and they can be put up around town, turned into yard signs, etc. Anyone interested? I think they could also be put up around his neighborhood.
You can do CafePress yard signs and I think Laur made them available on the store but I'm not familiar enough with that process to know if it'd be worth it to do it outside of CafePress for bigger orders.
I have zero time to do it. I'm in Austin about to head out to setup for an interview with Randy Kelton and Barry Cooper. If somebody wants to run with it, I'd be happy to fund it. I bet there's a printing shop in Keene that could do these cheaper and better that Cafe Press.
WOW just wow...
I have a Vinyl decal cutter...
I can and WILL cut decals if people want them
This is crazy, from what I seen, he was kinda confused?
All rise so he did, then he heard his name so he stood and was ready to address court, judge must have been real pissed about hearing people had decided not to stand and maybe he felt this was the reverse side to it?
Ionno but this is gone way to far...
I will be present more often.
I am real upset that we have lost our rights and can do nothing to get them back.
Makes me want to be a policev officer or a judge.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 15, 2008, 10:17 AM NHFT
like that scene in the movie gandhi where the mahatma says to the journalist... i can't belive you are walking all the way across india with me... and the journalist says well my name IS walker LOL
That makes me feel as though I should ask you a riddle . . .
Hey I should have asked to use her images... ;D
Sure, have fun with it.
Quote from: bile on November 15, 2008, 10:55 AM NHFT
Since laur is waiting account approval...
she approves of the image above ;D
http://store.blogofbile.com
She said she wants to put the image on the store. Is that okay?
Quote from: SamIam on November 15, 2008, 11:39 AM NHFT
I have zero time to do it. I'm in Austin about to head out to setup for an interview with Randy Kelton and Barry Cooper. If somebody wants to run with it, I'd be happy to fund it. I bet there's a printing shop in Keene that could do these cheaper and better that Cafe Press.
No idea. Whatever the case checkout http://ian.jailedactivist.info in the next hour or so for the original Burke the Jerk, Free Ian and Couch Enforcer images and have fun.
thanx for the video dave
that jerk burke is way out of control he went in that court with every intention of putting someone in jail for not standing and ended up putting someone in jail for not sitting fast enough I never realized their were time limits on sittiing and standing what a f*** joke this court system is and now others are getting to see it without being subject to it. I am so pissed about that judge starting to holler right off the bat. I have no respect for him or anyone who enforces his rules I hope the national spotlight is put on this and that judges family gets to see what a jerk he is at his job demanding repect without deserving respect
8th amendment
Eighth Amendment: forbids excessive bail or fines, and cruel and unusual punishment.
is this unusual? I think so!
not right, not right.
I've registered 93days.com and am working on setting up a website. Someone at FreeKeene.com suggeted noting any persons who had been accused or convicted of violent crimes who are released in these 93 days, as an example of how ludicrous this is.
I'm not anywhere near NH so any help that can be provided, any suggestions or anyone who wants to join in on this, let me know.
You're assuming that they care about the amendments they swear an oath to protect. The esquires have perverted the language to the point that what they are upholding is far from the layman's english of the constitution.
It is a sad state of affairs indeed.
Tyrannical Couch Laws and a Contemptible New Hampshire Court (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/81578)
Szandor Blestman
November 15, 2008
American Chronicle
Quote...
In my youthful naiveté I used to believe that the United States of America held no political prisoners. I know better now. Ian is just the latest in a long, long list of political prisoners. The courts in this country are out of control. The court system is contemptible. It is no longer true that a man is innocent until proven guilty. In my experience quite the opposite is true and a man is presumed guilty unless he can prove himself innocent, which is why so many people take plea bargains. But nothing is worse than the contempt of court charge. It is merely a way to force compliance from someone who sticks up for his rights or the rights of others. It is a way for the court to not have to answer poignant and applicable questions about the legitimacy of their system. It is a way to keep thinking people from pointing out the flaws in the system. It is a way they can avoid answering to their critics and for their mistakes. The contempt of court charge should be outlawed. A free person should be allowed to express his contempt for a vile and flawed system.
...
Wow. Great summary of the case as it stands, great explanation of the principles violated, very well written. Just plain, wow!
Quote from: Josh on November 15, 2008, 02:04 PM NHFT
You're assuming that they care about the amendments they swear an oath to protect. The esquires have perverted the language to the point that what they are upholding is far from the layman's english of the constitution.
It is a sad state of affairs indeed.
So we the people can change it?
This is not ok.
I could see if Ian beat a kid for waiting 2 pieces of candy for trick or treating... maybe it be ok to send him to jail for 93 days... but comn.
It cant be legal or right?
WHat can be done?
Why are rights lost at door ways to court rooms?
Quote from: Toadstool on November 15, 2008, 02:30 PM NHFT
Why are rights lost at door ways to court rooms?
Because there is no one willing to police the judicial branch. The system of checks and balances has failed, and the separation of the executive, judicial, and legislative branches is a long lost wet dream.
"Couch Complainant" (this may be a question for our good friend Sam I am) plus door hangers.
I haven't read every single thread on this so please excuse me if someone has allready mentioned this ...but I was wondering,
Now that Ian has been imprisoned for not playing Simon Says ("sit down") with a man in a dress as well as having a piece of furniture on his property (my god, of all things, this is outrageous!), is he now entitled to know just who the complainant is? Could this be the "angle" to expose this trial as a sham and thus gain Ian's release due to the fact that everyone is entitled to face their accuser and if you haven't been given that right, should not the judgement be thrown out?
Another idea I just got was door hangers to be put in Ian's and Keene neighborhoods informing them that one of their neighbors was put in jail for having a couch on his property, since the sociolist party at the local paper, The Sentential won't objectively report it's own local news (if you ever doubted they weren't bias, let this be proof). Anyway, I think the flyers are bound to get alot of people nervous about just what the h is going on with their city government.
Lastly, I get the idea that this government use of force, against a peaceful man, is going to bring about an unprecedented level of PEACEFUL PROTESTS and PEACEFUL ACTIVISM and consequently speed up the process of Liberty in our Lifetime and for this I sincerely thank you Mr. Ian Freeman (aka Bernard).
Quote from: georgedonnelly on November 15, 2008, 02:03 PM NHFT
I've registered 93days.com and am working on setting up a website. Someone at FreeKeene.com suggeted noting any persons who had been accused or convicted of violent crimes who are released in these 93 days, as an example of how ludicrous this is.
I'm not anywhere near NH so any help that can be provided, any suggestions or anyone who wants to join in on this, let me know.
i have been thinking about a similar idea.
when defending yourself in court for a victimless crime, it might be a good idea to get on the record the amount of crimes that occurred "on or about" that same date and are currently unsolved where there actually was a victim.
"on the night in question, your honor, while i was being cited for failing to come to a complete stop, there happened to be seven reports of assault and two reports of burglary. while my "alleged" offense occurred twenty days ago, to date the crimes i have just mentioned on the record only two have been solved. i'd like to add that in the previous two weeks of my citation, there were over thirty reports of crimes that occurred that to date have yielded no arrests."
will it get anywhere? probably not. but at least you point out on the record to the court and to the witnesses in the courtroom that the officer could have been making better use of his/her time.
Quote from: Lite It UP! on November 15, 2008, 02:43 PM NHFT
Another idea I just got was door hangers to be put in Ian's and Keene neighborhoods informing them that one of their neighbors was put in jail for having a couch on his property, since the sociolist party at the local paper, The Sentential won't objectively report it's own local news (if you ever doubted they weren't bias, let this be proof). Anyway, I think the flyers are bound to get alot of people nervous about just what the h is going on with their city government.
I really like this idea and would be happy to volunteer to hang fliers/door hangers around Ian's neighborhood.
(http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/life/spring1999/wigs/opening-photo.jpg)
Quote from: georgedonnelly on November 15, 2008, 02:03 PM NHFT
I've registered 93days.com and am working on setting up a website. Someone at FreeKeene.com suggeted noting any persons who had been accused or convicted of violent crimes who are released in these 93 days, as an example of how ludicrous this is.
I'm not anywhere near NH so any help that can be provided, any suggestions or anyone who wants to join in on this, let me know.
That is a fantastic idea. The Keene Sentinel has a spot with all the court action of the day, though it is usually a few weeks old. It says the plea, and a few other details. The problem is it seems irregular, maybe just because I don't get the paper everyday.
Quote from: Josh on November 15, 2008, 02:42 PM NHFT
Quote from: Toadstool on November 15, 2008, 02:30 PM NHFT
Why are rights lost at door ways to court rooms?
Because there is no one willing to police the judicial branch. The system of checks and balances has failed, and the separation of the executive, judicial, and legislative branches is a long lost wet dream.
I make sure judges dont cross line...
Sign me up...
I;ll have a wooden ruler to whack knuckles with! like ole times!
How does this get changed?
Something needs to be done like 25 years ago...
Can we change it?
Why is it so hard for people to see the flaws? because they dont care to look? or see?
Quote from: Toadstool on November 15, 2008, 02:59 PM NHFT
Why is it so hard for people to see the flaws? because they dont care to look? or see?
I think that's exactly it. Is American Idol on tonight?
I know this isn't really the point anymore, but I don't think the City of Keene (a municipal corporation) even followed its own rules when it slapped Ian with a code violation. I just spent the last half hour reading through the City of Keene's "Code of Ordinances", and my best guess is that Ian was being charged with violation of (takes a deep breath)...
CODE OF ORDINANCES City of KEENE, NEW HAMPSHIRE Codified through Amendment of June 5, 2008. (Supplement No. 7)
- PART II CODE OF ORDINANCES
- Chapter 18 BUILDING REGULATIONS
- Article III. PROPERTY AND HOUSING SAFETY STANDARDS
- Division 2. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE
- Sec. 18-241. Minimum standards for all property.
- ( 8 ) No person shall permit litter, defined as all rubbish or garbage, trash, debris, dead animals and other discarded materials of every kind and description, to accumulate upon any premises or the interior of any structure.
Unless I'm missing something, the code enforcer was claiming that the couch was litter. In a parallel universe, Ian could have argued "Not only have you not explained why I am required to submit to your authority, but even by your own rules the couch is not a violation; it's a bird-watching platform and Halloween/art decoration, not
litter."
I know, I know...he'd still be charged with contempt and all that, but sometimes it's satisfying to hold a mirror up to the bureaucrats' faces and show them how silly their words are.
I like the "Simon Says" imagery too.
I was wondering yesterday if the judge had said "simon says".
I think it would be interesting to "Judge-Watch" Mr Edward J. Burke
...kinda like COPWATCH...just keep tabs on his whereabouts and film it. (Coconut? :) )
I wonder what he does in his spare time when he isn't slinging shit at commoners.
How about filing some FOIA requests and checking his backround?
How about inquiring about his salary, benefits, weekely hours etc.
How long is he gone for lunch? Any booze during lunch hours?
This is called "investigative journalism" and it is legal. It is also legal to perform as a paparazzi. (sp?)
The brownshirts will try to spin it and call it stalking so be respectful and professional. :)
Take pictures, film, ask him questions if hes dining out etc. But do not be threatening. Be polite.
Since judge burkes job involves destroying others people lives on petty bullshit why not see what he does away from his nazi job.
Kola
I'm adding more to http://jailedactivist.info. I've added a bureaucrats section and put Burke under it. If anyone can write me up something about him I'd really appreciate it. Or create an account and I can permission you to do it.
Judge loses it on cam, jails man for sitting too slow
video posted to:
http://www.whistlestopper.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1264310#post1264310
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132773/posts?page=1
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/breaking-news-politics/50208-judge-loses-cam-jails-man-sitting-too-slow-11-14-08-a.html
http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/news/YaBB.pl?num=1226786335/0#0
http://www.annoyatorium.com/tm.aspx?m=313625&mpage=1&key=񌤙
http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?p=746804#post746804
http://www.volconvo.com/forums/politics-government/24203-judge-loses-cam-jails-man-sitting.html#post561283
http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=19795.0
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/smf/index.php?board=2.0
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1827527&posted=1#post1827527
http://ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?p=335950#post335950
http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=651208#post651208
http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/Judge-loses-it-on-cam-jails-man-for-sitting-too-slow-111408
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/73219
http://seacoastconnects.com/forums/showthread.php?p=88334#post88334
http://nhindymedia.org/newswire/display/6268/index.php
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/nhinsider/vpost?id=3109548&pid=29981297#post29981297
http://www.wolfeboro.net/forums/hot-topics/26070-keene-judge-loses-it-on-cam-jails-man-for-sitting.html#26070
nice job Dave.
The power of video says it all.
Edward J Burke is clearly unable to perform his duties.
Is he on medication or needing medication?
It clearly appears he needs to be psychologically evaluated.
This is a serious matter. Burke should be relieved of duty until he is evaluated by a health professional.
We all know the PIGS read this forum. The video caught Edward J Burke and you littleshit brownshirts
red- handed.
Kola
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 15, 2008, 08:36 AM NHFT
... this just in ...
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/IMG_7095-Couch-Protest.jpg)
Kira's going to look at that and say, "I don't remember that sign."
"I call on all good people of Keene to place a couch in their front yard. There is no excuse for these people. They came into that court with the intention of placing him in jail. Why isn't it time for game on?" David Harvey on Free Keene
I think this an excellent idea and would love to see people in NH go forward with this.
Re: Tape of Judge speaking to Ian.....
and TO Voice Editing Computer Wizards and/OR Dave Ridley!
Russel's comment gave me an idea:
Could you dub a "SIMON SAYS!" in front of Burke's "Sit down!" comment to Ian? I think it would be hilarious.
PS: I"ll send an email Manwich with the idea, maybe he could do it.
++++++++
RE: Flyers on Doors,
If we can get the right weekend, I would be happy to hang/pass out flyers as well.
That would be funny :D
I don't remember that couch.
I set up a site for this, http://93days.com. It's gotten 1300 visits just in the last 2 hours. Let me know if you'd like to participate, have any content for it, ideas, suggestions, etc. thanks.
Cool.
Quote from: georgedonnelly on November 15, 2008, 08:10 PM NHFT
I set up a site for this, http://93days.com. It's gotten 1300 visits just in the last 2 hours. Let me know if you'd like to participate, have any content for it, ideas, suggestions, etc. thanks.
You go around and post that everywhere? I've had up http://jailedactivist.info up for 18 hours and only got 115 unique hits or so.
Seeing it now for the first time, I'm liking jailedactivist.info. Though it's just starting out, I see lots of potential for that site.
bile, yes I use social media a lot so I leveraged my experience there to promote 93days.com.
Your site is prominently linked to from every page on 93days.com. Your profile of Ian and the whole story is first-class.
btw if someone wants to work on similar sites for anyone else, Lauren Canario comes to mind, let me know.
I just joined FSP a few days ago, still coming up to speed.
Quote from: georgedonnelly on November 15, 2008, 08:37 PM NHFT
bile, yes I use social media a lot so I leveraged my experience there to promote 93days.com.
Your site is prominently linked to from every page on 93days.com. Your profile of Ian and the whole story is first-class.
Thanks Giggan and georgedonnelly. I'm still figuring out exactly how it's going to look. Looking for a good theme. I think the Ian writeup came out pretty good. Especially given I wrote it at like 4AM. Now I just need to find some help with filling out stuff on Burke, Patten, Lauren, Russell, etc. The data is spread all over the place unfortunately. It'd be good though for keeping track of everything once up and going. The FSP activists are practically invisible to everyone else in the freedom movement because all the info is on FSP sites and forums.
Quote from: georgedonnelly on November 15, 2008, 08:40 PM NHFT
I just joined FSP a few days ago, still coming up to speed.
Hi George, I recognize your name from the LP Radicals caucus; glad to hear you'll be joining us in New Hampshire. :)
infuriating but unfortunately in no way surprising
Quote from: Jon Maltz on November 14, 2008, 10:25 PM NHFT
For those who believe in such things:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lv/534/534-mrg.htm
Writs of Habeas Corpus.
534:25 Contempt. – If the person is imprisoned or restrained by order of a justice, or of any court or authority other than the supreme or superior court or a justice thereof, for contempt, the proceedings in the order and the cause thereof may be revised, and the order affirmed, modified or reversed by the superior court or a justice thereof.
Where a justice of the peace has jurisdiction to punish a contempt, a sentence will not be revised upon habeas corpus, either in respect to the sufficiency of the evidence, or the application of the law, but the proceedings will be examined only so far as to see that the magistrate had jurisdiction.
State ex rel. Welsh v. Towle, 42 NH 540 (1861).
Quote from: georgedonnelly on November 15, 2008, 08:10 PM NHFT
I set up a site for this, http://93days.com. It's gotten 1300 visits just in the last 2 hours. Let me know if you'd like to participate, have any content for it, ideas, suggestions, etc. thanks.
Very Cool! :D
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 15, 2008, 07:28 AM NHFT
I agree with Roger.
Are you actually going to do this NA? Do you live close enough to Keene?
I love the idea.
first off, i live in manch, so yeah... i'm pretty close.
second, the discussion gave me an idea. i've posted the idea on the various libertarian sites i'm on to get some feedback, but i'll open the discussion here as well.
after seeing the video, it's obvious to anyone (who isn't one of those fall in line, the state is always right types) that this was horrifically tyrannical. for things like this, with the added bonus of ian's national "celebrity" status of sorts, it is something many liberty minded people are willing to speak up about.
so, i thought it would be helpful to get photos from everyone who could, around the nation, sitting on a couch in front of their local town hall or courthouse, while holding a sign that says "free ian" or "live free or die", etc... it would only take a few seconds, so by the time any officials came to run people off, the pictures would already be done. they could send those, with letters of support for ian or letters telling the judge how horrible his treatment of ian was, and we could put those all together in a national message of outrage to the judge.
thoughts?
Just one picture, would be great...
Get one and then others will see the fun to be had.
Humor is a powerful thing. Plus, dang it, it is easier to get people to have fun, than all the serious, or angry things many folks seem to turn to. Merry Prankster kind of stuff goes alot farther than some somber/serious effort.
At the very least, Ian is going to be bored out of his head, he deserves to be entertained. In the past I've made postcards with images of the protests and sometimes silly things and sent them to Russell and Lauren. I like that the jailers and the other prisoners see that they had lots of people that cared about them on the outside.
exacty
I like all the ideas guys are coming up with
can you guys put the various website links on the front page of nhunderground ... or put them here?
I could use content for our papers site ... send your take on Ian's situation and we can put it online
I agree that sometimes content gets lost on forums ... we can fix that by putting it on our front page and on New Hampshire Free Press .com so outsiders can get a short version of events. :)
Ian will love mail. Lauren will appreciate postcards, since they might get through to her.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 16, 2008, 07:13 AM NHFTcan you guys put the various website links on the front page of nhunderground ... or put them here?
...
I agree that sometimes content gets lost on forums ... we can fix that by putting it on our front page and on New Hampshire Free Press .com so outsiders can get a short version of events. :)
It looks like George set up the site http://www.93days.com (http://www.93days.com) as a clearinghouse of all things related to Ian's event. It's not 100% complete, but it does have links to pretty much every online story about this. It's right on the front page beneath the video. "Ian Freeman News from Around the Web" followed by a laundry list of links.
Quote from: mackler on November 15, 2008, 10:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jon Maltz on November 14, 2008, 10:25 PM NHFT
For those who believe in such things:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lv/534/534-mrg.htm
Writs of Habeas Corpus.
534:25 Contempt. – If the person is imprisoned or restrained by order of a justice, or of any court or authority other than the supreme or superior court or a justice thereof, for contempt, the proceedings in the order and the cause thereof may be revised, and the order affirmed, modified or reversed by the superior court or a justice thereof.
Where a justice of the peace has jurisdiction to punish a contempt, a sentence will not be revised upon habeas corpus, either in respect to the sufficiency of the evidence, or the application of the law, but the proceedings will be examined only so far as to see that the magistrate had jurisdiction. State ex rel. Welsh v. Towle, 42 NH 540 (1861).
Back when we had those checks and balances. 534:25 was enacted in 1862.
534:25 Contempt. – If the person is imprisoned or restrained by order of a justice, or of any court or authority other than the supreme or superior court or a justice thereof, for contempt, the proceedings in the order and the cause thereof may be revised, and the order affirmed, modified or reversed by the superior court or a justice thereof.
Source. 1862, 2600:1. GS 224:25. GL 243:25. PS 239:25. PL 350:25. RL 406:25.
the site has gotten 5600 unique visitors since last night. feel free to use to promote the photo of people sitting on couches idea (great idea) or anything else. let me know how i can help.
I have a big blue sleeper sofa/couch I want to get rid of. But I have no truck or van. If anyone wants to use it for their yard, protest, etc, please. I'm getting a futon to replace it :icon_pirat:
I called the jail and Ian has not been classified yet, but will tomorrow. The screw told me that tomorrow afternoon, we'll know when Ian's visiting hours are. Some visits are on Monday nights, so possible people will be able to see him soon. You can bring cameras. Speaking from experience, Julia might not want to share her hour with him - he'd get one hour of visiting, no matter how many people show up. I'd guess they'd let 20 people in if that many came.
Quote from: shyfrog on November 16, 2008, 07:49 AM NHFT
I have a big blue sleeper sofa/couch I want to get rid of. But I have no truck or van. If anyone wants to use it for their yard, protest, etc, please. I'm getting a futon to replace it :icon_pirat:
I know that most people don't tie just anything onto their car at the drop of a hat like I do, but, a dozen or so cars riding around the Keene area would make a statement once the word of this situation gets into the eyes and ears of average citizens.
Plus, one could always swing by city hall and cut the ropes ;D
I'm trying to find the ordinance. No luck. Anyone?
Quote from: Rodinia on November 16, 2008, 09:07 AM NHFT
I'm trying to find the ordinance. No luck. Anyone?
Which ordinance? This one (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16058.msg270615#msg270615)?
I think Lloyds idea of putting couch's on the top of cars driving around Keene would be fantastic, supplimented with a flyer that could be posted around as well as handed out to people....another idea would be to just set up couchs in the central square of Keene (Freedom Fest Locale) and pass out flyers.
RE: Complainant name. I guess this person's name was revealed (per FTL Mark on Sats. show) and I think it would be great to hear from that person..a recorded interview of their thoughts on how their complaint got a peaceful man 93 days in jail (over a damn couch!).
I saw back a few pages that someone had started a thread on freerepublic.com about this. I hadn't waded into that cesspool in years, but I couldn't resist signing up and posting on FR's Ian thread as "Authoritarian Billy Graham"--in honor of an FR poster banned long ago "Libertarian Billy Graham". My posts stayed up for a while last night, but were deleted by this morning.
Here was my exchange with FR posters BilLied and Emperor Palpatine. I really tried to fit it in with the FR culture this time. I don't get why they deleted my posts?
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To: Gigantor From: Emperor Palpatine
He's a libertarian who believes the Constitution nmeans what it says.
Many so-called conservatives just worship at the altar of authoritarian statism these days.
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To: Emperor Palpatine From: BilLies
Give us a break! There is no "libertarian" in the Constitution. Do some historical research! The Constitution voided the so called states rights and libertarian agendas, aka "Whiskey Rebellion". Libertarian equals Anarchy: it does not not work, The Constitution fixed the Libertarian Articles of Confederation. You want to see Libertarian .... go to San Fransisco, Seattle or Philadelphia.....or the Sudan.
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To: BilLies From: Authoritarian Billy Graham
You tell 'em BilLies. These rebels need a boot on their neck to teach them whose boss.
As you correctly point out, in 1794 our Authoritarian hero Alexander Hamilton proved he wasn't a chickenhawk when he and GW put down those libertarian anarchists who wouldn't pay their taxes.
199 years after Hamilton proved his manliness, a lot of sissy conservatives winced when Janet Reno proved her own manliness and sent the military into Waco to put down those child molestin', drug takin', tax resistin' anarchist libertarians.
I like how this Judge Burke is carrying on this 200+ year tradition of crushing these liberal-tarians when they make even the slightest peep questioning our Authority.
There's lots of room in the American Gulag for more of these Constitution quoting liberal-tarians. I say let's get some of our brave warriors from Abu Graib, or Gitmo, or the dungeons in the Salt Pits beneath Bagram Air Force base in Afghanistan and have them interrogate these liberal-tarians while we've got them in custody. Oh yeah, our brave warriors running the Gulag got their training over here first, Never mind!
And of course, I would be remiss if I didn't add that after we're done torturing these PUCs (persons in custody), then in the afterlife Jehovah will get to have his way with them at the Final Judgement. I hope we all get to watch and snicker like Rudy Guliani or John McCane during a Ron Paul debate answer while they go on about their non-aggression principle and their insistence that they be confronted with witnesses and non-existent victims. I've got news for the liberal-tarians, the 6th Amendment don't mean sh-t in heaven or hell either.
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To: BilLies From: Emperor Palpatine
I suggest you reread the Constitution as well as the Federalist Papers.
One of the chief premises of federalism IS state's rights. The states did not want an overly strong central government, this is why the Constitution limits what the federal government can do to nineteen specific powers and that's it.
Now state's rights have de facto been supplanted by a strong central government, contrary to what the Founders intended. But that began not at the signing of the Constitution, but when Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox. State's rights were further eroded by Woodrow Wilson being president and what his thugocracy did, further weakened by the creation of the Federal Reserve, and dealt fatal blows by the FDR and LBJ administrations.
But if you look at where the Constitution gives most of the power, its to the states, not the federal government.
You're a product of the American public school system, aren't you?
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To: Emperor Palpatine From: Authoritarian Billy Graham
Emperor,
BilLies has it right. The Authoritarian Constitution was really a coup-d'tat supplanting the libertarian Articles of Confederation. Sure they had some mumbo jumbo in there limiting Congress's power to maintain a permanent military and create phony money. But shrewd Authoritarians such as Hamilton and his mentor Robert Morris knew that with the more libertarian Articles of Confederation overthrown the new parchment barriers would be easily ignored speed bumps on the way to creating a highly centralized Authoritarian U.S. Empire that would function like and have the same objectives as the British Empire--only without Britain. That means they had to crack some heads now and again to get their tribute.
States Rights, Schmates Rights. Tell it to the Whiskey Rebel liberal-tarians. Face it Emperor, the Jeffersonians lost 200 years ago. Now we have good Authoritarian judges like Scalia to tell us that sure you have an individual right to bear arms, but so what?! The state reserves the power to smush all individual rights anyway.
Here's my advice to free staters, Ron Paul libertarians and the like: When the judge says jump, don't say "how high?" because you're not allowed to ask questions. Jump immediately or you might get a well deserved truncheon to the head. And if you sit and stand immediately when barked at by the civil authorities that God has put in power over you, perhaps you'll get better treatment when you stand in front of the Judge at the Final Judgement--while we Authoritarians snicker at the prospect of your impending eternal doom.
Also, regarding your demonstrations, street theater, marketing, etc. to try to gain attention to Ian's kidnapping: I suggest staying away from the couch issue, at least up front, and focus on the video and the Simon Sez aspect of this atrocity. Maybe internet videos of pairs of street actors--one with a dress and a Darth Vader helmet and the other with a V-mask, with the Darth Vader guy barking Simon Sez orders faster than any slave can process them.
I say focus first on the video, the setup and the ambush by the uniformed and undercover soldiers, the secret trial, the fact that as far as we know there was no opening statement, presentation of witnesses, cross-examination, closing statements, or defense of any kind allowed at the secret trial, etc. And then you can say that, by the way, this whole thing got started because 90% of U.S. of Americans are baboons who would rather call the cops on each other than behave like human beings.
A question for those who were in the courtroom: Was there any audio from the "secret trial" room?
Early reports said there wasn't any, but listening to Friday's FTL, I got the impression that Mark had been able to hear what was going on in the second room.
Just a confusing point that it would be nice to clear up.
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2008, 11:43 AM NHFT
A question for those who were in the courtroom: Was there any audio from the "secret trial" room?
Early reports said there wasn't any, but listening to Friday's FTL, I got the impression that Mark had been able to hear what was going on in the second room.
Just a confusing point that it would be nice to clear up.
Everything I've read indicates there
was audio, but it was very hard to hear. Mark himself on FTL (maybe Saturday's show?) indicated there was audio, but he couldn't make out what they were saying since the monitor was so far away and/or the volume was so low and/or of poor quality. I think Mark even said that the couch-complainer's name was given, and that it started "with an M", though he couldn't make out the rest of the name.
I would also be interested in knowing whether anyone else in the room could hear it. Isn't Mark slightly hard of hearing?
I couldn't hear it clearly which is why I said "you can't hear whats going on." Maybe I could have put it clearer when I said that, but in all the excitement I was thinking faster than I was speaking.
Quote from: Peacemaker on November 16, 2008, 09:40 AM NHFT
RE: Complainant name. I guess this person's name was revealed (per FTL Mark on Sats. show) and I think it would be great to hear from that person..a recorded interview of their thoughts on how their complaint got a peaceful man 93 days in jail (over a damn couch!).
I really think her house ought to be picketed, too. The general populace needs to be made aware that notifying the government over minor issues that can be resolved personally often has far-reaching consequences. Think of the parents who've phoned police with the intent of scaring their negligibly trouble-making kids, and ended up planning funerals. (There are several such stories in the FTL archive.)
Quote from: Peacemaker on November 16, 2008, 09:40 AM NHFT
. . . another idea would be to just set up couches in the central square of Keene . . .
Don't forget the signs reading:
HAVE A SEAT!!!
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 16, 2008, 08:24 AM NHFTut, a dozen or so cars riding around the Keene area would make a statement
a few guys have pickups or suvs
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on November 16, 2008, 01:29 PM NHFT
HAVE A SEAT!!!
Sam Alberto Robrin
Sam Alexander Robrin
Have a seat!
Have a seat right now!
Take this man into custody ... I am going for a quick coffee break. Get me DD!
I can see a character on Dave Chappelle
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 16, 2008, 01:45 PM NHFT
I can see a character on Dave Chappelle
Or AIYH. C'mon Dale. You know you wanna...
Even found a picture of Burke for you to reference:
(http://flashyourstache.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/stalin.jpg)
This is apparently the person who complained.
http://jailedactivist.info/bureaucrats/city-officials/mikaela-l-engert/
Please take note of the images toward the bottom of the page. Laur found them at http://www.ci.keene.nh.us/Community_Vision/project.htm ... image 27.
Update: here's an altered image... again thanks to laur
(http://jailedactivist.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/16/mikaela-l-engert/mikaela_keene_can_be_-_couch.png)
Quote from: bile on November 16, 2008, 03:05 PM NHFTThis is apparently the person who complained.
How do you know that?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 15, 2008, 10:12 AM NHFT
did your email link to the courtroom vid?
here is the partially edited courtroom vid i uploaded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5TCnMnCwVY
Quote from: raineyrocks on November 14, 2008, 11:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 14, 2008, 10:56 PM NHFT
can someone put out a news release and get it to the appropriate media. use the judge yelling vid
i'm tied down making vids
i've made an edit out of some of the arrest video itself, which you can link to in the news release...tells the story pretty well in 3 min
not yet up but check the site
I just sent an urgent email to WMUR with the links to the video and the digg page. I hope that's what you meant. :)
I just sent everything to CNN too, you never know!
Yes, I emailed the link to the courtroom video. :)
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 03:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: bile on November 16, 2008, 03:05 PM NHFTThis is apparently the person who complained.
How do you know that?
It was talked about by several people in the FTL Stickam chatroom last night. Mark Edge said he was unable to make out the name when Judge Burke had her name announced in the closed room trial but said it started with an 'M'. We know it was a young woman in Keene who didn't really live near him. And she talked with Ian on Talkback a week before the first violation was issued. She fits the evidence pretty well. But as I said it's not confirmed yet. I asked Mark to confirm with Ian. Perhaps whoever talks or visits him first can ask because I think he's the only person who knows really.
It would be wise to hold back any accusations until there is confirmation. I've been on the wrong end of that stick myself, and it's not a good place to be.
Quote from: Josh on November 16, 2008, 04:05 PM NHFT
It would be wise to hold back any accusations until there is confirmation. I've been on the wrong end of that stick myself, and it's not a good place to be.
from jailedactivist.info:
"While not confirmed at the time of posting it is believed that she was the anonymous young woman who issued the complaint against Ian Bernard for the couch on his tenants lawn which eventually resulted in his ongoing incarceration."
I read that, and am appreciative of the fact that it was included. I still suggest it would be a good idea not to involve anyone until it's confirmed.
Excellent work on the imaging stuff, by the way!
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 16, 2008, 01:45 PM NHFT
Sam Alberto Robrin
Sam Alexander Robrin
Actually, would you believe the
A stands for
Anarchy?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 16, 2008, 01:45 PM NHFT
Have a seat!
Have a seat right now!
Take this man into custody ... I am going for a quick coffee break. Get me DD!
I can see a character on Dave Chappelle
I was thinking Dogberry from
Much Ado About Nothing, except that Shakespeare gave him too much humanity . . .
haha
anyways ... the young women is not nearly the problem the cops and judge are
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 16, 2008, 05:10 PM NHFT
haha
anyways ... the young women is not nearly the problem the cops and judge are
I don't agree: it's her--times several million--who gives the cops and judges their power.
She's also a city "planner" bureaucrat whose pet issue is getting Keene ready for climate change, whatever that's supposed to mean.
Quote from: error on November 16, 2008, 05:16 PM NHFT
She's also a city "planner" bureaucrat whose pet issue is getting Keene ready for climate change, whatever that's supposed to mean.
shes helping the city prepare for 2012.
Whatever the case... assuming it's "her"... she played a role in all this and as a bureaucrat deserves a bit of ostracism.
If she is indeed the one that made the complaint and hid behind Parcells, Burke, and the rest of the goons, then she should be plastered all over the internets.
Quote from: Josh on November 16, 2008, 05:22 PM NHFT
If she is indeed the one that made the complaint and hid behind Parcells, Burke, and the rest of the goons, then she should be plastered all over the internets.
youll have no resistance from me.
Quote from: Josh on November 16, 2008, 05:22 PM NHFT
If she is indeed the one that made the complaint and hid behind Parcells, Burke, and the rest of the goons, then she should be plastered all over the internets.
Agreed...*if* she is. I would have awaited confirmation before posting anything abot her, but nothing listed was inappropriate if it turns out to be her.
When I heard the complaintant refused to meet with Ian, I assumed it must be some old lady afraid of the world, but finding out its a younger person, wow...clearly they had very negative intentions. It would be interesting if someone could interview her as to her take on the situation.
Shortly I'll be putting on the page the reasonings for believing it's her. All the evidence points to her. I'm still not sure where her name was originally procured though.
Ryan called porc411 and said they were outside the jail today and had to leave when the cops threatened them with the usual stuff
He is headed to vendettas
not sure its a good idea to list the alleged complainants addie until at least there is more clear evidence she is the perpetrator of this complaint.
The only reason I did is because it's available on WhitePages.com.
What I wanted was to get the distance between Ian's home and hers to see if Parcells claim someone with a good arm could reach her place from Ians.
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2008, 11:43 AM NHFT
A question for those who were in the courtroom: Was there any audio from the "secret trial" room?
There was audio... it was unclear... and I will be posting more information about it later.
And I personally confirm that Ms. Engert was mentioned as the complainant to Ian's couch.
our little contribution...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMkM7_46SPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMkM7_46SPE)
Quote from: Coconut on November 16, 2008, 06:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2008, 11:43 AM NHFT
A question for those who were in the courtroom: Was there any audio from the "secret trial" room?
There was audio... it was unclear... and I will be posting more information about it later.
And I personally confirm that Ms. Engert was mentioned as the complainant to Ian's couch.
Are people comfortable with this proof? If so I'm going to remove all language indicating it's unknown who the complainant was.
For arguments sake if Ian had a stuffed recliner rather than a couch would he have gotten less time?
I respect the power and ferocity of mean recliners but I absolutely live in fear of killer couches. I've heard they are especially ferocious when wounded and cornered or protecting their young. We need to ban couches or at least take special Gov't. training to own one. I saw a couch swallow a person whole once. I will never trust my dangerous couch. :couch:
Quote from: bile on November 16, 2008, 06:36 PM NHFT
Are people comfortable with this proof?
Is there any likelihood of a transcript being released? Though it was a mostly private trial, it's still public information, and a court recorder likely had to be there.
In lieu of an 'official' transcript, we have to take the word of witnesses.
Edited: I thought she still lived in Vermont.
How convenient that a person that works for the city gov't and likely knows Parcels (A man obsessed with the FSP in a bad way.) is the one to allegedly make the complaint.
You don't suppose she was asked to make a complaint b/c Parcels asked her to?
Also, how long has she lived on that street? The couch has been there for a couple years.
Quote from: Puke on November 16, 2008, 07:13 PM NHFT
How convenient that a person that works for the city gov't and likely knows Parcels (A man obsessed with the FSP in a bad way.) is the one to allegedly make the complaint.
You don't suppose she was asked to make a complaint b/c Parcels asked her to?
Also, how long has she lived on that street? The couch has been there for a couple years.
from what ive read (researched), she is a recent mover.
she was living in brattleboro, vermont, 30 minutes west of keene before moving there..
looks like shes been with the city of keene for about 2-ish years.
id be willing to bet she moved in within the year.
Checkout the Talkback from Sept 27th. Parcell describes her as a recent mover.
http://jailedactivist.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/16/mikaela-l-engert/talkback2008-09-27.mp3
Quote from: cynthia on November 16, 2008, 06:33 PM NHFT
our little contribution...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMkM7_46SPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMkM7_46SPE)
And now for something a little different :)
Quote from: bile on November 16, 2008, 06:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 16, 2008, 06:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2008, 11:43 AM NHFT
A question for those who were in the courtroom: Was there any audio from the "secret trial" room?
There was audio... it was unclear... and I will be posting more information about it later.
And I personally confirm that Ms. Engert was mentioned as the complainant to Ian's couch.
Are people comfortable with this proof? If so I'm going to remove all language indicating it's unknown who the complainant was.
The only reason she wouldn't be the original complainant is if someone else came to her, but I know her name was brought up as the person in court.
Have people vote on if the attached audio file is proof enough.
Quote from: Coconut on November 16, 2008, 07:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: bile on November 16, 2008, 06:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 16, 2008, 06:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2008, 11:43 AM NHFT
A question for those who were in the courtroom: Was there any audio from the "secret trial" room?
There was audio... it was unclear... and I will be posting more information about it later.
And I personally confirm that Ms. Engert was mentioned as the complainant to Ian's couch.
Are people comfortable with this proof? If so I'm going to remove all language indicating it's unknown who the complainant was.
The only reason she wouldn't be the original complainant is if someone else came to her, but I know her name was brought up as the person in court.
Have people vote on if the attached audio file is proof enough.
the audio isnt so great, but its there at the end. mikaela engert.
Thanks Nick.
Mikaela Engert is on Facebook. If it was indeed her, and you have an account, search for her and send her a nice message telling her that you appreciate her actions. Flood that inbox.
Also, from http://jailedactivist.info/bureaucrats/city-officials/mikaela-l-engert/
Contact Information:
Mikaela L. Engert
190 River Street
Keene, NH 03431-2454
Work Email: mengert@ci.keene.nh.us
Work Tel: (603) 352-5474
Personal Email: mlengert@gmail.com
Sources:
* http://www.myspace.com/moxiechick_79
* http://www.greenmtn.edu/career_services/snapshots/engert.aspx
* http://citizenkeene.ning.com/profile/MikaelaEngert
* http://www.ci.keene.nh.us/Community_Vision/project.htm
She has an F-Bomb on her myspace page. That's disorderly conduct in most jurisdictions, according to cops in said jurisdictions.
I'd like to file a complaint.
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Irony defined:
"I wouldn't advise aggressing against anybody" ..... "I want to stress this whole thing is really about community dialog and it's about having conversations with people and it's not about being aggressive towards anybody."
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 07:59 PM NHFT
Mikaela Engert is on Facebook. If it was indeed her, and you have an account, search for her and send her a nice message telling her that you appreciate her actions. Flood that inbox.
While I accept that this is in all probability what will occur, I think it's a bad idea. Ignoring the question of whether she deserves to be shunned or whatever, having an angry mob bury her with "nice messages" (the majority of which probably won't be nice at all) will do no good. I think she should be given a chance to listen to Ian's point of view, think about the fact that her actions have resulted in Ian being locked in a cage, and explain whether or not she approves of this outcome. For all we know, this person feels terrible that things have gone this far. Unlikely? Perhaps, but it rarely pays to rush to judgement IMO.
Quote from: Josh on November 16, 2008, 08:07 PM NHFT
Irony defined:
"I wouldn't advise aggressing against anybody" ..... "I want to stress this whole thing is really about community dialog and it's about having conversations with people and it's not about being aggressive towards anybody."
Wow! Just... WOW!
Quote from: Josh on November 16, 2008, 08:07 PM NHFT
She has an F-Bomb on her myspace page. That's disorderly conduct in most jurisdictions, according to cops in said jurisdictions.
I'd like to file a complaint.
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Irony defined:
"I wouldn't advise aggressing against anybody" ..... "I want to stress this whole thing is really about community dialog and it's about having conversations with people and it's not about being aggressive towards anybody."
oh, i already reported her to myspace terms of service.
i find her usage of "f***" unacceptable. :-P
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 08:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 07:59 PM NHFT
Mikaela Engert is on Facebook. If it was indeed her, and you have an account, search for her and send her a nice message telling her that you appreciate her actions. Flood that inbox.
While I accept that this is in all probability what will occur, I think it's a bad idea. Ignoring the question of whether she deserves to be shunned or whatever, having an angry mob bury her with "nice messages" (the majority of which probably won't be nice at all) will do no good. I think she should be given a chance to listen to Ian's point of view, think about the fact that her actions have resulted in Ian being locked in a cage, and explain whether or not she approves of this outcome. For all we know, this person feels terrible that things have gone this far. Unlikely? Perhaps, but it rarely pays to rush to judgement IMO.
its unlikely that she doesnt know.
Quote from: Josh on November 16, 2008, 08:07 PM NHFT
She has an F-Bomb on her myspace page. That's disorderly conduct in most jurisdictions, according to cops in said jurisdictions.
And not just on her page, on the public headline. I can't see her page cause its private.
QuoteI'd like to file a complaint.
I won't stoop to their level. I will send her a friendly but frank facebook message.
EDIT: By friendly I mean not nasty.
Quote from: laur on November 16, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
its unlikely that she doesnt know.
And more unlikely that she cares . . .
This information about her was going to be found out anyway. I think i've presented it in a fairly neutral way. It's the first real collection of information and its likely most people will point to it instead of recreating it elsewhere in a more biased fashion. What people do with the information is not in our control but we can show that the prime source of the info was neutral.
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 08:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 07:59 PM NHFT
Mikaela Engert is on Facebook. If it was indeed her, and you have an account, search for her and send her a nice message telling her that you appreciate her actions. Flood that inbox.
While I accept that this is in all probability what will occur, I think it's a bad idea. Ignoring the question of whether she deserves to be shunned or whatever, having an angry mob bury her with "nice messages" (the majority of which probably won't be nice at all) will do no good. I think she should be given a chance to listen to Ian's point of view, think about the fact that her actions have resulted in Ian being locked in a cage, and explain whether or not she approves of this outcome. For all we know, this person feels terrible that things have gone this far. Unlikely? Perhaps, but it rarely pays to rush to judgement IMO.
Probably a good point, I'd like to hear what she has to say first. But if she is not sorry for what she did, I say let it loose in a tactful manner. I'd also like to see people find something she is doing that is illegal and report her to the police so she gets a taste of her own medicine.
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on November 16, 2008, 08:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: laur on November 16, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
its unlikely that she doesnt know.
And more unlikely that she cares . . .
You're probably both right. Even if you are, I still don't see what the point of flooding her with messages is. Do people want to annoy her? Make her mad? Make her scared? To what end?
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFTProbably a good point, I'd like to hear what she has to say first. But if she is not sorry for what she did, I say let it loose in a tactful manner. I'd also like to see people find something she is doing that is illegal and report her to the police so she gets a taste of her own medicine.
I do think that a tactful, sincere dialog -- you know, the kind Ian hoped the complainant would have had him with -- is a good idea. While I appreciate the irony of using the system against her in the same way she used it against Ian, I'm really not convinced it's an activity worth pursuing. The principle seems to be "an eye for an eye". Again, what is the hoped-for outcome with this approach?
It seems to me that even the slightest nastiness or confrontation could backfire here. The point I'd love to see made is, "We're reasonable people. You could have gone to Ian and told him you had a problem with his couch and he would have handled it in a neighborly fashion. Instead you chose to use force, which was an aggressive posture, something you've decried in the past."
Of course, since she's likely to get a flood of messages of all sorts, I won't be adding my voice to the chorus as it will likely seem more confrontational the more messages she gets, regardless of tone.
Quote from: laur on November 16, 2008, 07:39 PM NHFT
the audio isnt so great,
Of course it isn't.
I would hope people would hold back from attacks against Mikaela. She is despicable for allowing this, but attacks will only be evidence to her of why she shouldn't have come forward. People like that won't think that maybe we'd be friendly if she started friendly. These people expect aggression and hide, and when it comes, they just use it to expect more aggression.
Interesting msg from ronpaulforums.com
<< Judge's conduct can be complained about to state judiciary conduct review boards. A quick search turned up the New Hampshire Judicial Conduct Committee and relevant contact info. Complaints should be filed against this judge for review of the conduct. Judges DO get reprimanded and removed over conduct issues on the bench. Maybe this judge has other complaints on record? Who knows. Never hurts to try.
Quote:
Robert T. Mittelholzer , Esquire, Executive Secretary
Committee on Judicial Conduct
74 Exeter Road
Newmarket, NH 03857
Phone: (603) 292-1825
Fax: (603) 292-1827
NH Code of Judicial Conduct: http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/scr/scr-38.htm
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/committees/judconductcomm/index.htm >>
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 16, 2008, 08:08 AM NHFT
I called the jail and Ian has not been classified yet, but will tomorrow. The screw told me that tomorrow afternoon, we'll know when Ian's visiting hours are. Some visits are on Monday nights, so possible people will be able to see him soon. You can bring cameras. Speaking from experience, Julia might not want to share her hour with him - he'd get one hour of visiting, no matter how many people show up. I'd guess they'd let 20 people in if that many came.
You are right. I do not want to share my hour. :'(
Quote from: Coconut
I would hope people would hold back from attacks against Mikaela. She is despicable for allowing this, but attacks will only be evidence to her of why she shouldn't have come forward. People like that won't think that maybe we'd be friendly if she started friendly. These people expect aggression and hide, and when it comes, they just use it to expect more aggression.
agreed.
Anyone else find this fascinating? I'm going to state the obvious here.
The couch is on Ian's tenants' lawn for who knows how long. A week before Carl issues the citation, this lady is on Talkback and Ian calls in to discourage violent action to implement her plans.
Previous interactions with Ian Bernard (http://jailedactivist.info/bureaucrats/city-officials/mikaela-l-engert/):
QuoteOn August 9th, 2008, a week before Ian Bernard received his first visit from Mr. Carl Patten Jr., Mikaela L. Engert was on the local radio show Talkback to discuss the Keene, NH Visioning Process. During the show Ian called to ask questions on the Visioning Process. After describing the Visioning Process to Ian he says "accomplishing those things would be great as long as we don't aggress our neighbors. Now you wouldn't advise aggressing against our neighbors to accomplish those things? Would you?" Mikaela replies: "I wouldn't advise aggressing against anybody." Later she says that: "I want to stress this whole thing is really about community dialog and it's about having conversations with people and it's not about being aggressive towards anybody."
I'm seeing a pattern of targeting those who simply express anti-statist views and escalating the violence against them until they shut up.
Not sure Dale. She's appears to be a big time liberal. Stereotypically even. It's hard to say if she did it out of petty dislike for those damn free staters or what. Sam was very confrontational with her in early August and that could have been transfered to Ian in a way. I don't know if it was as complicated as being anti-anti-statist or just that he and others from that group were pissing her off.
Quote from: Soundwave on November 16, 2008, 08:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 16, 2008, 08:08 AM NHFT
I called the jail and Ian has not been classified yet, but will tomorrow. The screw told me that tomorrow afternoon, we'll know when Ian's visiting hours are. Some visits are on Monday nights, so possible people will be able to see him soon. You can bring cameras. Speaking from experience, Julia might not want to share her hour with him - he'd get one hour of visiting, no matter how many people show up. I'd guess they'd let 20 people in if that many came.
You are right. I do not want to share my hour. :'(
Well let's be sure what the situation is first. And thank you Kat for checking on that. Tell Ian that his actions have encouraged a bunch of people.
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 08:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 07:59 PM NHFT
Mikaela Engert is on Facebook. If it was indeed her, and you have an account, search for her and send her a nice message telling her that you appreciate her actions. Flood that inbox.
While I accept that this is in all probability what will occur, I think it's a bad idea. Ignoring the question of whether she deserves to be shunned or whatever, having an angry mob bury her with "nice messages" (the majority of which probably won't be nice at all) will do no good. I think she should be given a chance to listen to Ian's point of view, think about the fact that her actions have resulted in Ian being locked in a cage, and explain whether or not she approves of this outcome. For all we know, this person feels terrible that things have gone this far. Unlikely? Perhaps, but it rarely pays to rush to judgement IMO.
Probably a good point, I'd like to hear what she has to say first. But if she is not sorry for what she did, I say let it loose in a tactful manner. I'd also like to see people find something she is doing that is illegal and report her to the police so she gets a taste of her own medicine.
An eye for a eye will make the world blind.
I don't think that trying to find illegal couches in her yard (or other non-violent "crimes") would be detrimental to what most people here are trying to do.
IF it is her, then she is a scumbag, make sure she knows that her plan helped put an innocent man in jail.
IF it is her, she will have to sleep at night with the shame that we all know she should feel, and will feel. . . no matter how 'right' she thinks she is.
The more I watch the video at freekeene.com (http://freekeene.com) you can tell there was no way Ian was getting out of that place without some time in a cell.
There is no reason why they had to move Ian to a separate room. That was a attempt at psychological manipulation, the judge wanted Ian to feel alone and helpless. All the thugs taking up positions in the room was the government asserting the power and saying "we will do what we want and you have no choice". All the actions in that court room appeared to be choreographed. I would not be surprised if later on someone in that room would turn up with documentation about what will happen and where they should be at certain times.
I also would not be surprised if someone in the Federal Government that had experience with torture situations consulted with the court on how to try and break a person mentally.
The court should have a transcript for what happened in that room. Can someone in Keene get it?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 16, 2008, 09:20 PM NHFT
The court should have a transcript for what happened in that room. Can someone in Keene get it?
I propose we set a time, maybe Tuesday, that a few of us go to the courtroom and ask for it, and any recordings they have. Anyone from Keene interested in that?
I need to go to Keene one day next week, but not sure which one it'll be, yet.
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 08:35 PM NHFT
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFTProbably a good point, I'd like to hear what she has to say first. But if she is not sorry for what she did, I say let it loose in a tactful manner. I'd also like to see people find something she is doing that is illegal and report her to the police so she gets a taste of her own medicine.
I do think that a tactful, sincere dialog -- you know, the kind Ian hoped the complainant would have had him with -- is a good idea. While I appreciate the irony of using the system against her in the same way she used it against Ian, I'm really not convinced it's an activity worth pursuing. The principle seems to be "an eye for an eye". Again, what is the hoped-for outcome with this approach?
After thinking it over, my approach that I suggested is definitely not the right way to go about things. No point stooping down to her level. I agree with Evenstar's post:
It seems to me that even the slightest nastiness or confrontation could backfire here. The point I'd love to see made is, "We're reasonable people. You could have gone to Ian and told him you had a problem with his couch and he would have handled it in a neighborly fashion. Instead you chose to use force, which was an aggressive posture, something you've decried in the past."
I also don't support reporting the couch rat to authorities for anything, short of her committing a real crime, (you know, with a victim). What may be wise is to point out to her every time someone could report her, like, "Do you realize that 'x' is illegal, and I could send the cops after you for it, but I would not do that because it is immoral."
EDIT: Also, I posted the vids on another forum I frequent and at least one person has espressed interests in seeing the transcripts from the secret trial. They also were surprised no media outlets have picked up on this, if not just for the sake of covering a story of someone in jail over a couch.
Quote from: mport1 on November 16, 2008, 09:56 PM NHFT
It seems to me that even the slightest nastiness or confrontation could backfire here.
Let's speak the truth openly and unashamedly, but let's not just harass and be nasty. That's their way. Not ours.
Ryan, about your Porc411 call: at the Strafford County jail, people have both open carried and held signs on "county property", so I don't think there's actually a law against anything you were doing. That doesn't mean they won't arrest you, though.
BTW, just doing what you did will create a stir in the jail and should have helped Ian.
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 08:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on November 16, 2008, 08:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: laur on November 16, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
its unlikely that she doesnt know.
And more unlikely that she cares . . .
You're probably both right. Even if you are, I still don't see what the point of flooding her with messages is. Do people want to annoy her? Make her mad? Make her scared? To what end?
So that others might see, and learn from her mistakes . . .
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 08:35 PM NHFT
I do think that a tactful, sincere dialog -- you know, the kind Ian hoped the complainant would have had him with -- is a good idea.
Now
there's a Freudian transposition!
Quote from: margomaps on November 16, 2008, 08:35 PM NHFT
While I appreciate the irony of using the system against her in the same way she used it against Ian, I'm really not convinced it's an activity worth pursuing. The principle seems to be "an eye for an eye". Again, what is the hoped-for outcome with this approach?
People who get away with such antics are only emboldened to go on to repeat--and escalate--them.
Quote from: bile on November 16, 2008, 06:36 PM NHFT
Are people comfortable with this proof? If so I'm going to remove all language indicating it's unknown who the complainant was.
I wouldn't go with it.
We know other stuff.
It is funny how the info that comes out makes each bureaucrat look worse and worse.
Can you imagine what would have happened if 10 of us would have not stood up for the judge?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 17, 2008, 03:03 AM NHFT
Can you imagine what would have happened if 10 of us would have not stood up for the judge?
I so would have been one of the ten. ;D
Quote from: Areté on November 17, 2008, 03:48 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 17, 2008, 03:03 AM NHFT
Can you imagine what would have happened if 10 of us would have not stood up for the judge?
I so would have been one of the ten. ;D
I am sure you will get a chance soon.
It seems like in this police state you can't go too long before a thug tells you what to do.
In my case I would have been one of the guys who never entered the courtroom.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 17, 2008, 02:49 AM NHFT
Quote from: bile on November 16, 2008, 06:36 PM NHFT
Are people comfortable with this proof? If so I'm going to remove all language indicating it's unknown who the complainant was.
I wouldn't go with it.
We know other stuff.
What do you mean? There is evidence of a different complainant?
no
I am not running with that info .... because I don't know what is true
we have plenty of stuff we already know about to publish
but I am sure you will find enough later
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 17, 2008, 03:03 AM NHFT
Can you imagine what would have happened if 10 of us would have not stood up for the judge?
Absolutely, I'm imagining just that.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 17, 2008, 06:08 AM NHFT
no
I am not running with that info .... because I don't know what is true
we have plenty of stuff we already know about to publish
but I am sure you will find enough later
There is plenty of known things but I think the evidence is pretty conclusive about Engert. She completely fits the description given by Fred Parcell. She has a small but somewhat negative history with Ian and most importantly we know the complainant's name began with an 'M' and the clip provided from the closed trial mentions her name in a sentence about the complainant. AFAIK she was never mentioned in regard to the couch before so if she didn't have something to do with it it seems unlikely she would have been brought up.
I'm not saying anything should be done with the info... just like I'm not saying anything should be done due to Burke's role. But she had a role in the process and that deserves to be known.
Quote from: dalebert on November 17, 2008, 06:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 17, 2008, 03:03 AM NHFT
Can you imagine what would have happened if 10 of us would have not stood up for the judge?
Absolutely, I'm imagining just that.
So they referred to sanctions if folks didn't play Simon Says. Interesting they used that word as opposed to arrest. I wonder if that means that they would have a hard time arresting someone for inaction, perhaps the
bullies bailiffs come and brow beat people, then try to charge you with something like failure to obey etc. (you know the catch all charges).
Does anyone have judge's robes? I'm thinking they'd be useful for some street theater I have in mind.
exactly
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 07:40 AM NHFT
Does anyone have judge's robes? I'm thinking they'd be useful for some street theater I have in mind.
I have a graduation gown; which looks similar.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 07:40 AM NHFT
Does anyone have judge's robes? I'm thinking they'd be useful for some street theater I have in mind.
i could mail you a black graduation gown if youd like. :)
Cool, graduation gown would work :)
;D
Street theatre sounds cool.
That made me think that it would be fun to play Simon Says. Haven't done that in almost 40 years. :D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on November 17, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT
;D
Street theatre sounds cool.
That made me think that it would be fun to play Simon Says. Haven't done that in almost 40 years. :D
Yes, that's what I have in mind.
Called today. They were assholes as usual. Finally got to speak to a supervisor, they told me Ian would be processed by noon, and that I should call back then. Then he told me I wouldn't be able to see him until Thursday. :'(
Quote from: Soundwave on November 17, 2008, 08:11 AM NHFT
Called today. They were assholes as usual. Finally got to speak to a supervisor, they told me Ian would be processed by noon, and that I should call back then. Then he told me I wouldn't be able to see him until Thursday. :'(
i was concerned something like this was going to happen.
I just wish I could talk to him. He hasn't called here.
If someone hasn't done so, I will call the court and ask about transcripts today.
where is the rest of the raw video from the pool photog? why hasn't it been uploaded to youtube yet?
Definitely get your hands on those transcripts, Coconut.
And sorry to hear that you can't see him till Thursday, Julia :\
I had been meaning to bring up with you something we kinda thought would be good for FTL and his supporters in general-- bring in a voice recorder and have him talk directly to his supporters through it, and broadcast it on FTL. Just a five minute blurb about how he is doing, what his thoughts are, and what he is thinking of doing now. Would make a hell of a powerful message, instead of getting stories and such second hand.
Quote from: Soundwave on November 17, 2008, 08:22 AM NHFT
I just wish I could talk to him. He hasn't called here.
He wouldn't be where he could call for a while. Would he want money in commissary account for such things?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 17, 2008, 08:33 AM NHFT
where is the rest of the raw video from the pool photog? why hasn't it been uploaded to youtube yet?
They ordered cameras off... we are extremely limited in recordings of the rest of the procedure.
Quote from: Soundwave on November 17, 2008, 08:11 AM NHFT
Called today. They were assholes as usual. Finally got to speak to a supervisor, they told me Ian would be processed by noon, and that I should call back then. Then he told me I wouldn't be able to see him until Thursday. :'(
If you're who I think you are, you're number one of the many, many collateral victims of this atrocity. I know people always say "If there's anything I can do . . ." in this situation, and I know it's lame, but I'll say it anyway, and mean it. Just say the word. And I'll be in a better position to make good on that once I get there, which I'm more fired up than ever now to do.
Maybe this will help (think of "king" in a metaphorical sense . . .):
To Althea, from Prison
WHEN Love with unconfined wings
Hovers within my gates,
And my divine Althea brings
To whisper at the grates;
When I lie tangled in her hair,
And fetter'd to her eye,
The gods, that wanton in the air,
Know no such liberty.
When flowing cups run swiftly round
With no allaying Thames,
Our careless heads with roses bound,
Our hearts with loyal flames;
When thirsty grief in wine we steep,
When healths and draughts go free,
Fishes, that tipple in the deep,
Know no such liberty.
When (like committed linnets) I
With shriller throat shall sing
The sweetness, mercy, majesty,
And glories of my king;
When I shall voice aloud how good
He is, how great should be,
Enlarged winds, that curl the flood,
Know no such liberty.
Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage;
If I have freedom in my love,
And in my soul am free,
Angels alone that soar above,
Enjoy such liberty.
Richard Lovelace
Quote from: dalebert on November 16, 2008, 08:49 PM NHFT
Anyone else find this fascinating? I'm going to state the obvious here.
The couch is on Ian's tenants' lawn for who knows how long. A week before Carl issues the citation, this lady is on Talkback and Ian calls in to discourage violent action to implement her plans.
Previous interactions with Ian Bernard (http://jailedactivist.info/bureaucrats/city-officials/mikaela-l-engert/):
QuoteOn August 9th, 2008, a week before Ian Bernard received his first visit from Mr. Carl Patten Jr., Mikaela L. Engert was on the local radio show Talkback to discuss the Keene, NH Visioning Process. During the show Ian called to ask questions on the Visioning Process. After describing the Visioning Process to Ian he says "accomplishing those things would be great as long as we don't aggress our neighbors. Now you wouldn't advise aggressing against our neighbors to accomplish those things? Would you?" Mikaela replies: "I wouldn't advise aggressing against anybody." Later she says that: "I want to stress this whole thing is really about community dialog and it's about having conversations with people and it's not about being aggressive towards anybody."
I'm seeing a pattern of targeting those who simply express anti-statist views and escalating the violence against them until they shut up.
Regarding the person who made the complaint:
Looks like nothing new. Some think they know better than you how your life should be lived and consequently have no problem using their guns to accomplish their means and thus throwing PEACEFUL disassenters in cages to silence them.
It's sad that what starts out as an honest mind can be so programmed that eventually the operator doesn't even realize they are a living picture of what dishonesty is (turned into bullies and thugs who have no problem using guns against anyone who disagrees).
Clearly, the lost dishonest soul who made the complaint thinks they are justified and that THEY KNOW better, but what they don't know is how truly dishonest they really are. What moral right does this bully have to force their "vision" on others? None, but that doesn't matter because this person is "all good" when it comes to the principle of using GUNS (versus words) to "win friends and influence others."
I think Ian's stance is a HUGE WAKE UP call for those who truly understand honesty (Liberty/Freedom). But the sadest part is that the complainer thinks they are somehow "heroic,"......... however, in reality, the complainer should know peaceful people do see you for exactly what you are: 1 of the most dishonest walking/talking people alive today (and you don't even know it).
TO THE COMPLAINANT:
You can rest assured, honest people will NEVER advocate or initiate the use of force against you, when they disagree with you and will always give you the benefit of the doubt in all matters. Too bad (at this point at least) that you're so fundamentally dishonest/corrupt/so truly evil, you can't make the same promise.
May you discover (wake up) to what it's like to live honestly someday and if you do, we will be there to welcome you.
I called the court. A transcript is a per-page fee, but a recording is $25. It will take them 2-3 weeks to send their tape out to Concord to get copied and sent back. If anyone is interested, go into court with a "written request" for a recording. Government and their inefficiency at it's finest. On top of that, we have to find a tape player.
Quote from: Coconut on November 17, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFTOn top of that, we have to find a tape player.
I'm surprised they're not riding around in stage coaches. ::)
Quote from: Coconut on November 17, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFT
I called the court. A transcript is a per-page fee, but a recording is $25. It will take them 2-3 weeks to send their tape out to Concord to get copied and sent back. If anyone is interested, go into court with a "written request" for a recording. Government and their inefficiency at it's finest. On top of that, we have to find a tape player.
Maybe they can send smoke signals instead?
I think it be on the same lines of tech. as VIDEO! TAPE! but a lilttle faster to get the message...
WOW! I dont feel so bad using tapes in my car so much any more! dang,
This is odd? WHy o Channel 9 News/. wmur? no one sent it? dang.
I got a call today from a friend who is traveling out to Keene for a couple weeks to participate in Ian activism. If you would like to talk to him, put him to work, etc., please PM or call me. Thanks.
as of early this afternoon, all websites/info by her or featuring her have been pulled down.
back-up files were made.
Porcupines are so damn cute if you just leave them alone.
Quote from: Coconut on November 17, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFT
I called the court. A transcript is a per-page fee, but a recording is $25. It will take them 2-3 weeks to send their tape out to Concord to get copied and sent back. If anyone is interested, go into court with a "written request" for a recording. Government and their inefficiency at it's finest. On top of that, we have to find a tape player.
Coconut - You can use an open records request to go in and examine the original (not a copy) today with an open record request. If you bring your own recorder with the right cable you should be able to dub a copy. Here's a blank template I would start from:
http://www.jurisimprudence.com/!Examples/Blank%20Info.doc (http://www.jurisimprudence.com/!Examples/Blank%20Info.doc)
Sam
I sent the 93days.com link (and a brief synopsis) to Radley Balko, theagitator.com.
SCORE!
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/11/17/morning-links-106/
QuoteNinety-three days in jail for . . . illegal outdoor furniture? (http://93days.com/)
Quote from: dalebert on November 17, 2008, 10:40 AM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 17, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFTOn top of that, we have to find a tape player.
I'm surprised they're not riding around in stage coaches. ::)
For God's sake, man, don't give them any
ideas!
just got a call from a mainstream press reporter looking to do a story
the reporter told me that a bureacurat had just informed them ian was brought before a judge today 11/17
i got the impression this had happened this morning but am not sure. conceivably he could still be there.
Just got the 411.... wtf is going on?!
is anyone here able to give me permission to give their number out to a mainstream reporter or two?
someone who was inside the courtroom... or otherwise witnessed ultra interesting stuff first hand....
Quote from: laur on November 17, 2008, 12:28 PM NHFT
as of early this afternoon, all websites/info by her or featuring her have been pulled down.
back-up files were made.
LOL. that didn't take long.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 17, 2008, 01:33 PM NHFT
is anyone here able to give me permission to give their number out to a mainstream reporter or two?
someone who was inside the courtroom... or otherwise witnessed ultra interesting stuff first hand....
603-313-4421. I'm at work but will try to answer.
Quote from: Josh on November 17, 2008, 01:27 PM NHFT
Just got the 411.... wtf is going on?!
should I call the courtroom? someone else can: 603-352-2559
The jail says Ian's been released.
:o
Did they offer any explanation?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 01:54 PM NHFT
The jail says Ian's been released.
I don't think I've ever said this before, but this is an EPIC FAIL for the court system.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 01:54 PM NHFT
The jail says Ian's been released.
this isn't "released" to go to court is it?
Sounds like they knocked off the 90 days and he just got the 3. Guess someone realized they FUCKED UP big time. ;D BUt I only know what Dave said...they hauled him into court this morning, and the jail saying he'd been released.
he's not answering cell phone... but that doesn't mean anything.
Quote from: Coconut on November 17, 2008, 02:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 01:54 PM NHFT
The jail says Ian's been released.
this isn't "released" to go to court is it?
No, that's screwyness with fed court systems.
(My god, it's a regular white-out up here....it's snowing so hard.)
Ian might need a ride from the jail.
cell phone coverage is spotty in Westmoreland. He could have been released from the courthouse, though. Someone want to call the court and get more details?
I wonder if they dragged him to court and gave him one last chance to kiss their boots to get off and he complied. Speculation
Maybe I should have waited to order my Free Ian shirt from bile. Oh well, it will serve as a potent reminder of the gun in the room.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 02:03 PM NHFT
Someone want to call the court and get more details?
I just called. they put me through to Larry's voice mail ::)
the digg post and resultant publicity is mightier than the robe/jailer's key
huzzah
Quote from: Josh on November 17, 2008, 02:03 PM NHFT
Maybe I should have waited to order my Free Ian shirt from bile. Oh well, it will serve as a potent reminder of the gun in the room.
I have a feeling it won't be the first time someone named Ian will be jailed who you'd like to see freed :-/
Could become a collectors item... or something...
Could very well be useful in the future. I doubt this little stunt of theirs is going to shut him up.
funny how this happens after the release of the name of the see you next tuesday who snitched on him.
calm the waters any way you can.
I wish we had actual confirmation. Like talking to him.
Confirmation would be excellent. Hopefully it comes soon.
Should be a REALLY interesting FTL show tonight! I can't wait to hear Ian's story.
I just talked to Larry. Ian's charges of contempt stand, but his time is being suspended. Which means he "has to be good" for a year or so. But he's either free, or scheduled to be free soon.
So magnanimous. ::)
This was really starting to gain serious momentum. They killed it just in time.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 02:16 PM NHFT
So magnanimous. ::)
This was really starting to gain serious momentum. They killed it just in time.
This is good. It seems they were put in a no-win situation, and had to save face.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 02:16 PM NHFT
This was really starting to gain serious momentum. They killed it just in time.
I agree. It's awesome
personally that Ian's out (if this is true, and it seems like it is).
But his ridiculous imprisonment would have hurt the government even more. If they did release him today, they were smart to do so - it makes them look a little less violent than had they not.
Judge caved, courts caved, system caved. Ian's in court again for the "illegal freedom fest" . . . wonder if the definition of 'being good' has changed now.
If Ian does the same things he did this last time, I wonder if they'll have the nuts to actually put him in jail and tack on the 93 days or if they'll try and ignore the 'misbehavior'
it'll be an interesting show that's for sure.
Did someone try calling Julia? (I don't have number)
i am smiling.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 02:16 PM NHFT
So magnanimous. ::)
This was really starting to gain serious momentum. They killed it just in time.
It's outrageous regardless, and I'm as determined as ever.
I have the feeling that the story was left out there for too long and it will still become news. If the court wanted to save face I think they were too slow.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 17, 2008, 02:30 PM NHFT
Did someone try calling Julia? (I don't have number)
Me either. Nor Mark's.
I wonder if there were any "can't talk about this" conditions?
Quote from: Mike Barskey on November 17, 2008, 02:20 PM NHFT
If they did release him today, they were smart to do so - it makes them look a little less violent than had they not.
Be cognizant that this reaction is the one they're counting on to shut us all up--and that complacency will only be used again later to soften us up and take us by surprise for something even
more outrageous.
At least the inevitable crackdown won't be coming as a surprise.
Panera said Julia had gone home for the evening.
Quote from: rancemuhamitz on November 17, 2008, 02:32 PM NHFT
I wonder if there were any "can't talk about this" conditions?
I can't imagine that he'd comply with any of this type of condition if they were set. And unless jail was MUCH worse than he expected, he'd probably tell them so up front. (If it WAS much worse, then they succeeded in their goal of breaking him, which I doubt.)
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on November 17, 2008, 02:33 PM NHFT
Be cognizant that this reaction is the one they're counting on to shut us all up--and that complacency will only be used again later to soften us up and take us by surprise for something even more outrageous.
I think they are stacking on the penalties to gain leverage. If they suspended the charges, then they can reinstate them later adding on to any future charges. PR is still going to be a problem for them.
Can anyone post the porc411 call?
msg0085.wav (http://blogofbile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/17/ian-freeman-bernard-reported-to-have-had-surprise-trial-this-morning/msg0085.wav)
Incidentally, while looking for a good image of His Hammurabism Himself (I wanted something to which I could attach the caption "IS THIS FACE WORTH SAVING?") I ran across this:
Forty-nine-year-old Edward Burke was sentenced Wednesday in Bridgeport federal court to 37 months in prison. He pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography a year ago.Authorities say they found more than 300 images...
"Mistaken identity"? That's what they all say . . .
Quote from: rancemuhamitz on November 17, 2008, 02:32 PM NHFT
I wonder if there were any "can't talk about this" conditions?
I don't think any such conditions would alter Ian's decision to talk about it or not.
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on November 17, 2008, 02:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: Mike Barskey on November 17, 2008, 02:20 PM NHFT
If they did release him today, they were smart to do so - it makes them look a little less violent than had they not.
Be cognizant that this reaction is the one they're counting on to shut us all up--and that complacency will only be used again later to soften us up and take us by surprise for something even more outrageous.
Absolutely! There will be people (probably not in this movement) that will think thins like "well, they
released Ian, so they can't be all
that bad." We'll have to be ever vigilant to explain that the evil still exists.
Thanks Bile.
My guess, they held a hearing on the contempt charges. Had he known, I believe Ian could have stopped the proceedings with the first charge and asked for a hearing right then with another judge. Hopefully Burke didn't preside over this one, given he's the persecutor in the 3 cases. I'm glad he's out and looking forward to the details on tonight's show.
I wonder if Mikaela complained about the gathering without a permit too.
Quote from: Josh on November 17, 2008, 03:12 PM NHFT
I wonder if Mikaela complained about the gathering without a permit too.
Very doubtful.
But it certainly would be an interesting factor, if it were the case.
does that girl even know what's in store? What a tool, and what an idiot.
Ian may be released. See freekeene.com
Quote from: Josh on November 17, 2008, 02:03 PM NHFT
Maybe I should have waited to order my Free Ian shirt from bile. Oh well, it will serve as a potent reminder of the gun in the room.
OH, I seriously doubt this will be his first and last stint in jail. These things tend to become a sort of career once you get started. Makes me a bit nervous since I've been anticipating going to jail myself in the near future and can't help but wonder how bad it will have to get before I finally prefer to just kiss the boot rather than go back or if I will never get there and instead become a career prisoner like Lauren. :-\
Jailedactivist.info is so fantastic. Kudos to all the work put in there. . . fantastic.
This girl is slime. . . "I don't suggest aggressing against anyone."
and talking about 'having conversations'
I hope something like this makes her and her carbon neutral bullsh-t go away for good. Replace her with NO ONE
I called the jail to see if he needs a ride and they said he's no longer there. I assume he got a ride.
If no one's heard from him in an hour, check Gitmo
Quote from: AntonLee on November 17, 2008, 03:50 PM NHFT
Jailedactivist.info is so fantastic. Kudos to all the work put in there. . . fantastic.
Oh... you make me blush ;)
I'm off next week so hopefully I'll have time to clean it up and post more info and better structure it. Need to start researching Lauren's adventures.
What are the porc 411 calls that just came in?
Dale and Dave both reporting that Ian has apparently been released, nothing new if you've been reading the forum thread.
Dale's on his way over to see if he's around/needs a ride.
this story needs to be made into a movie!
Ian is out.
:wav:
Happy happy joy joy ;D
This event really shows the power of the Free State Project and standing up to tyranny in numbers. You can believe if the same thing happened back in Florida, Ian he would still be sitting in a jail cell and nobody would know/care. I think this is a HUGE win for liberty and that it will encourage more people to sign up and move.
Would it be a good move to contact the judge/jail and tell them that you appreciate Ian being let out (while still mentioning that it was a ridiculous that he got thrown in jail at all)? Or would this just be bowing down to them and groveling at their feet?
Awesome!
Personally I would simply say nothing further to the bureaucrats involved. But I'll wait to see what Ian has to say about the situation.
Cool!
Quote from: mport1 on November 17, 2008, 04:31 PM NHFT
Would it be a good move to contact the judge/jail and tell them that you appreciate Ian being let out (while still mentioning that it was a ridiculous that he got thrown in jail at all)? Or would this just be bowing down to them and groveling at their feet?
i considered this earlier. not sure how i feel about it yet.
waiting for the rest of the story.
Let's not let the momentum get away.
http://georgedonnelly.com/politics/93dayscom-just-prototype
Quote from: georgedonnelly on November 17, 2008, 04:57 PM NHFT
Let's not let the momentum get away.
http://georgedonnelly.com/politics/93dayscom-just-prototype
For sure. This was a good experience in terms of planning reactions to government actions. We need to brainstorm how to take what we have learned and improve on it now so we can have things set in place for the inevitable events that will happen in the future.
I know that through Facebook and MySpace I was able to personally reach thousands of people about the event and provide them with videos and places to find out more information. I think we should have some central hubs for this type of stuff but individuals also need to plan how they will get the word out in the future.
Quote from: AntonLee on November 17, 2008, 03:56 PM NHFT
Dale's on his way over to see if he's around/needs a ride.
this story needs to be made into a movie!
It is! At least a short - I was there with my crew and we documented the whole thing, from the beginning of the day to the broadcast of FTL without Ian there and interviews with Carl Patten and Medard Kopzynski (spelling?). I got home late Saturday night and immediately started editing. Trying to get it done as timely as possible and I'll post it at www.candid-world.com under Multimedia when it's done.
Quote from: AntonLee on November 17, 2008, 03:50 PM NHFT
This girl is slime. . . "I don't suggest aggressing against anyone."
Of course she doesn't. All she wants is
verb (used without object) 1. to commit the first act of hostility or offense; attack first.
2. to begin to quarrel.
Too many bureaucrats are in a position to start the ball rolling and then be far away when the shit hits the fan. Their system allows for distancing and damage control.
This entire event has highlighted that perfectly.
Yeah!!!!!! :D :D
He sounds all fresh and new!!
Yeah!!!
I will AMP if he'll get rid of that green/blue striped shirt. I'm sick of seeing it.
I just sent him a postcard and my letter to Burke this morn...wonder if they'll foward it.
Congrats Ian! Rushed down to the library to catch the start of FTL's show after hearing this.
;D ;D ;D
/just finished reading this entire thread
So shall we get a wheelchair brigade in for Ian's next court date? See if he yells at them to stand up.
This is great news. ;D
I have a spinal injury, and those chairs would NOT be good for me to sit in for very long. My own mobile chair would be much more comfortable
:D nice job ian you stood your ground . so your not all talk takes a big man to go through what i saw you go through and not cow down when the cuffs go on. you make me proud to be a free talk live listener and amplifier. firecracker joe
ps. Marks turn
Fantastic news!!! 8)
I just came over here to post this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7730018.stm) and then I heard the good news that Ian had already been released. I don't know whether Ian would need a box -- maybe a large envelope.
I missed the show up til now. Does anybody know if there was anything like a traditional trial? where the defendent makes an opening statement, calls witnesses, gives a closing argument, etc.? Or did the judge just drag Ian into the next room and pronounce him guilty with no trial?
Quote from: Free Mexican-Not Stamped on November 17, 2008, 07:44 PM NHFT
I missed the show up til now. Does anybody know if there was anything like a traditional trial? where the defendent makes an opening statement, calls witnesses, gives a closing argument, etc.? Or did the judge just drag Ian into the next room and pronounce him guilty with no trial?
There was a trial... or they tried at least. Ian wouldn't consent to any part of it, but the judge almost took his side on the issue. The judge looked at the ordinance and said "This is what you're trying to charge him with? What if I have a gardening chair on my lawn?" Had Ian posed any defense, he may have been found not guilty on the couch issue.
This is great! Awesome! Dada your video was so helpful I'm sure and the way everyone stuck together and got this news all over!
Ian is free, yahoo!!! :grouphug: :bdance2:
By the way I don't know what else is going to happen but I have a couch, (sofa bed), and 2 little kid pull out sofas if needed now or in the future. I was coming on here to post about the sofas when I read that Ian is out.
;D
QuoteThere was a trial... or they tried at least. Ian wouldn't consent to any part of it, but the judge almost took his side on the issue. The judge looked at the ordinance and said "This is what you're trying to charge him with? What if I have a gardening chair on my lawn?" Had Ian posed any defense, he may have been found not guilty on the couch issue.
I heard some of the beginning of the show on the replay. I like the approach of caller Lee (?) the TV guy. It sounds like with the limited video, and then the audio that Ian said he might have and the transcript evidence that there should be a good shot of some kind of redress via appeal, grand jury, and/or suit against that clown.
Although I won't be living in New Hampshire until April at the soonest, what people like Ian and Lauren are doing and have gone through have reaffirmed not only my belief in the FSP, but liberty and the liberty movement as a whole. Thank you Ian, I'm glad you're out and keep up the great work.
Thank you so much to everyone who helped out! I'd have stuck it out (Cheshire jail isn't too bad, FYI.), but I knew it was hell on Julia so I threw in the towel and begged for mercy on Monday morning's video conference with Burke. I gave him the obedience he so desperately wanted and he gave me a suspended 90 day sentence.
Oh, plus they still want the money out of me even though I did the full 3 days in jail! >:(
Turns out I was right about my instincts with Julia. (I couldn't call her due to her having a cel phone. The collect call phone in the holding cell wouldn't work with cel phones.) She wasn't able to eat much or work all weekend. :'( I had to do what was right for my relationship. That said, I'm certain all your calls to the court/jail helped tremendously!
As you know, I didn't give in to him at the "trial" however, so we all got to see just how violent and out of control this all still is. Plus, he has set himself up for major mass disobedience in the form of a mass sit-in. Perhaps at their arraignment on 12/12 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=210.0) for Toby and I over Freedom Fest or at the inevitable trial for the same? I've told Burke I'll play this one by his rules, which should be fine as they don't have a leg to stand on. (1st amendment freedom to assemble, anyone?)
If you all want to come, I imagine there will be some (perhaps many) activists who refuse to stand. I will not be joining in the disobedience as that will get my ass tossed back in the clink for 90 days, and I can't put Julia right back to where she was!
I hope others will take the mantle of civil disobedience here in Keene and keep up the momentum. My job is what it has always been. To communicate the peaceful evolution to the rest of the world, and invite them to join us.
Thank you again for everything. I stand at the ready to assist you when and if your time comes to deal with the Blue Light Gang.
i just appeared this morning as a guest on a "relationship" talk show which is a little bigger than FTL
they loved this story and may want to have ian on next
i'm supposed to get a call from a big mainstream reporter at some point today who is after the story....altho we'll see.
Great work Dave.
And thanks for the plug in the latest video. Do you have any web banners I could display on my sites? It'd be great if all the liberty sites could pool their advertising banners and such in one place for people who wish to spread the message that way. Actually... sounds like something that should go on libertyactivism.info. :)
Glad that you are out Ian. No shame in how it happened. Most of us have been in supportive roles and should not judge anothers decision when we haven't been in that position (jail) for standing up for justice and principle. Anybody that feels strongly enough about civil disobedience should go to Ian's trial on 12/12 and not rise/not sit when ordered to. You'll get your turn in jail then. To stand up to the man is hard to do, all the more reason to support those that have and still are. It is an incredibly selfless act.
I'm of the opinion (uninformed) that the judge was aware of his mistake, (giving Ian 90 days) and has breathed a big sigh of relief since he now hopes the publicity will go away with Ian released. The publicity shouldn't go away, this judge was wrong and is still wrong regardless of his "kindness" and early release of Ian. People need to be told this story again and again.
I may attend the trial or a gathering to address grievances outside but I am not yet ready to go to jail myself for reasons too lengthy to discuss here. Admittedly fear is one of those reasons, but not the biggest anymore thanks to those who have gone before me. I believe for many of us that time is coming though. I think we all owe a sincere Thank you to Ian. He did something most of us haven't dared to do yet.
Quote from: Josh on November 17, 2008, 06:46 PM NHFT
I have a spinal injury, and those chairs would NOT be good for me to sit in for very long. My own mobile chair would be much more comfortable
If a few people genuinely in need of wheelchairs were to accompany another dozen also so accoutred, the confusion could probably be used to advantage . . .
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 18, 2008, 09:08 AM NHFT
i just appeared this morning as a guest on a "relationship" talk show which is a little bigger than FTL
they loved this story and may want to have ian on next
i'm supposed to get a call from a big mainstream reporter at some point today who is after the story....altho we'll see.
Lets' just hope they don't interview Ian in Keene outside while he's seated on a couch. ;D
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 04:46 AM NHFT
I'd have stuck it out (Cheshire jail isn't too bad, FYI.), but I knew it was hell on Julia so I threw in the towel and begged for mercy on Monday morning's video conference with Burke.
It's fair and understandable to do what you did to reduce hurt on someone else.
Did you ask for the conference with Burke or did they offer it? Do you think that was their plan to expect to give you another chance after a few days?
I've been a little curious as to what the tenants have thought of this entire thing.
Quote from: Coconut on November 18, 2008, 09:26 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 04:46 AM NHFT
I'd have stuck it out (Cheshire jail isn't too bad, FYI.), but I knew it was hell on Julia so I threw in the towel and begged for mercy on Monday morning's video conference with Burke.
It's fair and understandable to do what you did to reduce hurt on someone else.
Did you ask for the conference with Burke or did they offer it? Do you think that was their plan to expect to give you another chance after a few days?
He did because he apparently forgot to grant me a "right of allocution" on the third contempt charge. I don't know what that means, but I think it means opportunity to beg. I kind of felt that the original intent was to "scare" me with a weekend in jail, have me back down, and then release me on monday. No way to prove that, of course.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 09:34 AM NHFT
He did because he apparently forgot to grant me a "right of allocution" on the third contempt charge. I don't know what that means, but I think it means opportunity to beg.
Probably. Because on the first two he said "What do you have to say for yourself?" That was probably supposed to be your chance to say sorry.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 09:34 AM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 18, 2008, 09:26 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 04:46 AM NHFT
I'd have stuck it out (Cheshire jail isn't too bad, FYI.), but I knew it was hell on Julia so I threw in the towel and begged for mercy on Monday morning's video conference with Burke.
It's fair and understandable to do what you did to reduce hurt on someone else.
Did you ask for the conference with Burke or did they offer it? Do you think that was their plan to expect to give you another chance after a few days?
He did because he apparently forgot to grant me a "right of allocution" on the third contempt charge. I don't know what that means, but I think it means opportunity to beg. I kind of felt that the original intent was to "scare" me with a weekend in jail, have me back down, and then release me on monday. No way to prove that, of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allocution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allocution)
From the wikipedia it does seem to be a apology or a explanation about why you did what you did and why. Since Burke the Jerk admitted he messed up and railroaded you it appears to make more of a case if you wanted to take this to appeal.
Since it was mentioned on FTL that the couch would be gone by the end of the week...I was thinking something should be done like a memorial for the couch, some grand farewell to it. Maybe it could be buried or thrown in a bonfire or something so it goes out with a bang.
If there was a market for it, I'd say pieces of the fabric could be framed or something and sold on ebay as mementos of the case.
Someone is buying it! :o
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 10:57 AM NHFT
Someone is buying it! :o
How much? I loved Giggan's idea of chopping it up and auctioning pieces
$275
Quote from: kola on November 18, 2008, 11:15 AM NHFT
was Ed ward J Burke the purchaser?
Oh my god. That would be hilarious!
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 11:12 AM NHFT
$275
Holy CRAP $275. When NH is the Free State the couch could be in a museum. ;D
Somebody paid $275 for THAT COUCH? I must hear this story.
Not sure if he wants it public at this point. The couch is to be moved to a secret location. Payment has not yet been tendered.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 11:31 AM NHFT
Not sure if he wants it public at this point. The couch is to be moved to a secret location. Payment has not yet been tendered.
It's OK we all know it is Mark. He has come to love that couch (you can tell by his voice when he now talks about the couch). >:D >:D
Quote from: slim on November 18, 2008, 11:41 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 11:31 AM NHFT
Not sure if he wants it public at this point. The couch is to be moved to a secret location. Payment has not yet been tendered.
It's OK we all know it is Mark. He has come to love that couch (you can tell by his voice when he now talks about the couch). >:D >:D
:D Mark can't bear to see it go.
Quote from: Coconut on November 18, 2008, 11:49 AM NHFT
Quote from: slim on November 18, 2008, 11:41 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 18, 2008, 11:31 AM NHFT
Not sure if he wants it public at this point. The couch is to be moved to a secret location. Payment has not yet been tendered.
It's OK we all know it is Mark. He has come to love that couch (you can tell by his voice when he now talks about the couch). >:D >:D
:D Mark can't bear to see it go.
Yep it has grown in to Mark just as it grew in to the ground that it is sitting on. ;D
No shame in that Ian. If someone wants to see a different path taken they can blaze the trail. Welcome home....
Sanitarium
Hey what about the idea of legislative action at the state house , in the form of a resolution condemning the judge's conduct?
Quotehe apparently forgot to grant me a "right of allocution" on the third contempt charge.
Ian, you're one of the most
eloquent (and
loquacious) people I've ever heard. So, I think when it comes to
allocuting in front of the government mafia, you should have a better chance than most.
There are several lawyers who've spent several years defending libertarian resistors and have developed their own tricks to speak the un-speakable (constitution, natural rights, statutes, justice, explaining to jurors that the courts are supposed to be courts of conscience, etc.) in front of juries without the judge taking their precious licenses away. E.g. Larry Becraft, Jeff Dickstein, Nancy Lord are some that I'm familiar with.
One theory is that as a pro-se defendant, you can get away with a lot more than a government licensed lawyer, because you're not worried about them taking your license. On the other hand an inexperienced pro-se defendant might get steam rolled and intimidated much easier--such as in Burke's game of Simon Sez.
Remember that it was only after Ed Brown saw that the judge was effectively going to duct tape him Bobby Seal/Chicago 7-style and not allow him no "tell it to the jury" that Ed Brown decided that his best option was holing up and taking as many of the mafia hitmen with him as possible.
Does anybody have or can somebody take some high-res pictures of the couch, for future reference?
Also, does anybody here do any volunteer work with Keene's seasoned citizens? Many of them understand freedom, retirement homes are frequently looking for speakers, and some may enjoy being an audience for Justice Simon. I suspect with enough interest, a motor coach could be arranged.
Beware, folks, judges have jailed entire audiences (http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/28/judge-jailed-entire.html) when aggravated.
Quote from: bill_mcgonigle on November 18, 2008, 02:05 PM NHFT
Does anybody have or can somebody take some high-res pictures of the couch, for future reference?
Not high-res, but:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=147.msg1968#msg1968
Everyone who has ever rented in America has had that same couch. If they've rented a mobile home, they've also enjoyed stained and polyurethaned 2x4 furniture (and milk crates).
BT,DT.
The couch is now gone.
There where worms in the cushions. :D
Quote from: Puke on November 18, 2008, 04:56 PM NHFT
The couch is now gone.
There where worms in the cushions. :D
Wait.... you destroyed the home of some natural wildlife!? Mikaela is going to be pissed.
;D you crack me up Coconut
Quote from: Puke on November 18, 2008, 04:56 PM NHFT
The couch is now gone.
There where worms in the cushions. :D
Hmmmmmmmmmm worms like moisture, Did that couch have
water in it? Did you barbarians destroy a wet lands!!
Worms are a vital food source for many many species. You likely destroyed the greater Keene area ecosystem.
I was hoping the couch would be preserved due to it's icon status, but, you can always grab any couch and claim it is the original :P
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 18, 2008, 05:43 PM NHFT
I was hoping the couch would be preserved due to it's icon status, but, you can always grab any couch and claim it is the original :P
Scroll up. Someone's bought it and it's being transported to a secure location.
Thanks. I admit I have not read all 30 plus pages of this topic ;D
Quote from: KBCraig on November 18, 2008, 04:27 PM NHFT
Not high-res, but:
Thanks for the link. Those are great.
:files away under 'liberty couch':
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 18, 2008, 12:28 PM NHFT
Hey what about the idea of legislative action at the state house , in the form of a resolution condemning the judge's conduct?
:biglaugh:
Quote from: Puke on November 18, 2008, 04:56 PM NHFT
...There were worms in the cushions. :D
Haha that's just nasty right there! :puke:
There was a caller on FTL a week or so ago about how their city is now requiring all houses to have numbers on them.
Here's a Keene ordinance: 18-241 (14) Buildings shall have address numbers placed in a position to be plainly legible and visible from the street or road fronting the property. Address numbers shall be Arabic numerals, or alphabet letters. Numbers shall be a minimum of four inches high, with a minimum stroke width of one-half inch.
Quote from: Areté on November 19, 2008, 07:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: Puke on November 18, 2008, 04:56 PM NHFT
...There were worms in the cushions. :D
Haha that's just nasty right there! :puke:
No thats free fishing bait!!
Quote from: Coconut on November 18, 2008, 04:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: Puke on November 18, 2008, 04:56 PM NHFT
The couch is now gone.
There where worms in the cushions. :D
Wait.... you destroyed the home of some natural wildlife!? Mikaela is going to be pissed.
No kidding. I think by letting that couch be removed, Ian just increased the size of his his carbon footprint.
Plus I hear it was pretty soggy. He probably violated federal wetlands regulations by moving it.
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 07:51 PM NHFT
There was a caller on FTL a week or so ago about how their city is now requiring all houses to have numbers on them.
Here's a Keene ordinance: 18-241 (14) Buildings shall have address numbers placed in a position to be plainly legible and visible from the street or road fronting the property. Address numbers shall be Arabic numerals, or alphabet letters. Numbers shall be a minimum of four inches high, with a minimum stroke width of one-half inch.
Stupid law! Should be up the owner, but, a legible number. I drove a cab and delivered pizza in a medium sized city. In some neighborhoods you could go 5 or 6 buildings without seeing a number! Not important if you wanted a cab or pizza, but, it could be useful if you wanted an ambulance.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 19, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 07:51 PM NHFT
There was a caller on FTL a week or so ago about how their city is now requiring all houses to have numbers on them.
Here's a Keene ordinance: 18-241 (14) Buildings shall have address numbers placed in a position to be plainly legible and visible from the street or road fronting the property. Address numbers shall be Arabic numerals, or alphabet letters. Numbers shall be a minimum of four inches high, with a minimum stroke width of one-half inch.
Stupid law! Should be up the owner, but, a legible number. I drove a cab and delivered pizza in a medium sized city. In some neighborhoods you could go 5 or 6 buildings without seeing a number! Not important if you wanted a cab or pizza, but, it could be useful if you wanted an ambulance.
Not sure which side you're on. I think numbers are extremely helpful. Just wondering how many houses in Keene could be cited in violation of this ordinance. Also, this is something that private law could easily take care of: "don't have clear numbers on your house? You can't have our fire insurance."
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 08:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 19, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 07:51 PM NHFT
There was a caller on FTL a week or so ago about how their city is now requiring all houses to have numbers on them.
Here's a Keene ordinance: 18-241 (14) Buildings shall have address numbers placed in a position to be plainly legible and visible from the street or road fronting the property. Address numbers shall be Arabic numerals, or alphabet letters. Numbers shall be a minimum of four inches high, with a minimum stroke width of one-half inch.
Stupid law! Should be up the owner, but, a legible number. I drove a cab and delivered pizza in a medium sized city. In some neighborhoods you could go 5 or 6 buildings without seeing a number! Not important if you wanted a cab or pizza, but, it could be useful if you wanted an ambulance.
Not sure which side you're on. I think numbers are extremely helpful. Just wondering how many houses in Keene could be cited in violation of this ordinance. Also, this is something that private law could easily take care of: "don't have clear numbers on your house? You can't have our fire insurance."
I'm going to just say bada bing when someone nails it.
Bada Bing
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 08:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 19, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 07:51 PM NHFT
There was a caller on FTL a week or so ago about how their city is now requiring all houses to have numbers on them.
Here's a Keene ordinance: 18-241 (14) Buildings shall have address numbers placed in a position to be plainly legible and visible from the street or road fronting the property. Address numbers shall be Arabic numerals, or alphabet letters. Numbers shall be a minimum of four inches high, with a minimum stroke width of one-half inch.
Stupid law! Should be up the owner, but, a legible number. I drove a cab and delivered pizza in a medium sized city. In some neighborhoods you could go 5 or 6 buildings without seeing a number! Not important if you wanted a cab or pizza, but, it could be useful if you wanted an ambulance.
Not sure which side you're on. I think numbers are extremely helpful. Just wondering how many houses in Keene could be cited in violation of this ordinance. Also, this is something that private law could easily take care of: "don't have clear numbers on your house? You can't have our fire insurance."
Against the law and for common sense. I hadn't thought about the Fire Department.
Welcome home Ian, just now finding out about this, forum fatigue. :blush:
Quote from: David on November 20, 2008, 09:30 PM NHFT
Welcome home Ian, just now finding out about this, forum fatigue. :blush:
Your co-worker Trevor was my cell mate, in for 30 days on a pot possession charge. Nice kid.
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 08:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 19, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 07:51 PM NHFT
There was a caller on FTL a week or so ago about how their city is now requiring all houses to have numbers on them.
Here's a Keene ordinance: 18-241 (14) Buildings shall have address numbers placed in a position to be plainly legible and visible from the street or road fronting the property. Address numbers shall be Arabic numerals, or alphabet letters. Numbers shall be a minimum of four inches high, with a minimum stroke width of one-half inch.
Stupid law! Should be up the owner, but, a legible number. I drove a cab and delivered pizza in a medium sized city. In some neighborhoods you could go 5 or 6 buildings without seeing a number! Not important if you wanted a cab or pizza, but, it could be useful if you wanted an ambulance.
Not sure which side you're on. I think numbers are extremely helpful. Just wondering how many houses in Keene could be cited in violation of this ordinance. Also, this is something that private law could easily take care of: "don't have clear numbers on your house? You can't have our fire insurance."
Great idea, but I have never heard of an insurance company driving out to look at your house before they write the policy - they have adjusters, but they only look at your house after you file a claim.
Quote from: www on November 20, 2008, 09:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 08:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 19, 2008, 08:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 19, 2008, 07:51 PM NHFT
There was a caller on FTL a week or so ago about how their city is now requiring all houses to have numbers on them.
Here's a Keene ordinance: 18-241 (14) Buildings shall have address numbers placed in a position to be plainly legible and visible from the street or road fronting the property. Address numbers shall be Arabic numerals, or alphabet letters. Numbers shall be a minimum of four inches high, with a minimum stroke width of one-half inch.
Stupid law! Should be up the owner, but, a legible number. I drove a cab and delivered pizza in a medium sized city. In some neighborhoods you could go 5 or 6 buildings without seeing a number! Not important if you wanted a cab or pizza, but, it could be useful if you wanted an ambulance.
Not sure which side you're on. I think numbers are extremely helpful. Just wondering how many houses in Keene could be cited in violation of this ordinance. Also, this is something that private law could easily take care of: "don't have clear numbers on your house? You can't have our fire insurance."
Great idea, but I have never heard of an insurance company driving out to look at your house before they write the policy - they have adjusters, but they only look at your house after you file a claim.
I see you're fairly new. Welcome. Often we talk in terms of "liberty land" where there is no government and try to guess how the market would adjust. A lot of things in the insurance arena would change if there was no government.
QuoteA lot of things in the insurance arena would change if there was no government.
That's cool. I spend a lot of time thinking about how a lot of things need to change, and pretty darn quick too.
Quote from: www on November 20, 2008, 09:38 PM NHFT
Great idea, but I have never heard of an insurance company driving out to look at your house before they write the policy - they have adjusters, but they only look at your house after you file a claim.
Every insurance application has tons of questions; few to none are verified. If you ever file a claim and they find that you've committed fraud against them they'll deny your claims. So, best to answer honestly and have proof to backup your claims.
I talked to Officer M. Griffin today. He said that Ms. Engert's life, and possibly her family's, is being affected by the response she's getting about this. The people who harass or threaten her are only stooping to the level of the City when they threatened Ian. He didn't like it, and no reason anyone should wish that on anyone else. Revenge doesn't win.
Oh and did he show such concern when Ian was
kidnapped and thrown in a cell over a couch?
Doesn't matter if he showed any concern. She shouldn't be in any way threatened.
However, harassment is so vague and subjective a term I'd say it's not worth using. An unsolicited email can be considered harassment.
I will have to say that while I gave up on the thread over at freekeene.com I saw nothing which was an actual threat. Some childish name calling and mean spirited wishes definitely but not an "expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment." My guess is she's never been on the receiving end of an internet flame / ostracism attempt and is blowing it up a bit. If she had actually been threatened she would have contacted authorities. I've heard nothing of the sort.
Quote from: Pat K on November 30, 2008, 07:17 PM NHFT
Oh and did he show such concern when Ian was
kidnapped and thrown in a cell over a couch?
No, actually, he stood in the back of the courtroom and literally laughed when Ian got his second contempt charge. But we don't fight immaturity with more immaturity.
Quote from: bile on November 30, 2008, 07:43 PM NHFT
My guess is she's never been on the receiving end of an internet flame / ostracism attempt and is blowing it up a bit. If she had actually been threatened she would have contacted authorities. I've heard nothing of the sort.
I would agree with this. There's no evidence of what's been said to her, and she may just be overreacting to an amount of public scrutiny she's never seen before. However, I would guess she or her family has "contacted authorities" because I heard about her situation from an officer, like I said. That may not be the case though.
Quote from: Coconut on November 30, 2008, 07:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on November 30, 2008, 07:17 PM NHFT
Oh and did he show such concern when Ian was
kidnapped and thrown in a cell over a couch?
No, actually, he stood in the back of the courtroom and literally laughed when Ian got his second contempt charge. But we don't fight immaturity with more immaturity.
Well I applaud your maturity.
Quote from: Coconut on November 30, 2008, 07:48 PM NHFT
However, I would guess she or her family has "contacted authorities" because I heard about her situation from an officer, like I said. That may not be the case though.
Maybe. I'm not terribly familiar with Keene but it seems like the bureaucrats all know each other and given the scale of the incident word would travel to the cops as to what was up. We'll see. Everyone links to my site regarding the incident so we'll see. I've yet to be contacted by anyone officially. Just one person from the Ohio LP who didn't think linking her non-government information was appropriate.
Quote from: bile on November 30, 2008, 07:53 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on November 30, 2008, 07:48 PM NHFT
However, I would guess she or her family has "contacted authorities" because I heard about her situation from an officer, like I said. That may not be the case though.
Maybe. I'm not terribly familiar with Keene but it seems like the bureaucrats all know each other and given the scale of the incident word would travel to the cops as to what was up. We'll see. Everyone links to my site regarding the incident so we'll see. I've yet to be contacted by anyone officially. Just one person from the Ohio LP who didn't think linking her non-government information was appropriate.
I did ask if they were looking to charge people with cyber-bullying. He said no, that he was just expressing concern and shame over the situation.
Bureaucrats should never think that they have any sort of anonymity... and they seem to always ask for public input.
If the in put isn't what she would like, maybe she should start serving the community.
This is the one I like, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE FACING 18 GUNS, DON'T SAIL A FUCKING WARSHIP!"
Ah Jim lad ya do have a way with words. ;D
who said it was happening? oh yea .... a lying government thug
I wouldn't accuse anyone of anything based on the word of a bureaucrat.
Noone I know has threatened or hurt these guys ... the worst thing so far is that Ian didn't sit down very fast and said some special words to one of the robed thugs.
Quote from: Coconut on November 30, 2008, 07:12 PM NHFT
I talked to Officer M. Griffin today. He said that Ms. Engert's life, and possibly her family's, is being affected by the response she's getting about this. The people who harass or threaten her are only stooping to the level of the City when they threatened Ian. He didn't like it, and no reason anyone should wish that on anyone else. Revenge doesn't win.
Interesting. I should point out that I forgave Ms. Engert and never suggested anyone do anything to her.
Hope the bureaucrats learn that aggressing against their neighbors creates unintended consequences and they give it up.
The fact that someone like her can unwittingly unleash the thugs on people... made me sad and slightly nauseous, millions of others just like her.
did she do it unwittingly? or intentionally?
Most people don't see the connection that if you call the authorities it leads to violence.
maybe she should go work at McDonalds where she can provide a service to the economy.
Ian, what were the second two contempt charges for?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 03, 2008, 01:17 PM NHFT
Ian, what were the second two contempt charges for?
Refusing to answer two questions, one about my legal name, the other as to whether I could pay their fine. You can hear audio of the latter contempt here:
http://freekeene.com/2008/11/23/couch-court-audio-orders/
Thanks :)
Ian my first postcard to you in jail came back today. Return To Sender. It had a peace sign and told you how proud I was of your actions and how important it was in getting attention to the FSP, the freedom movement in Keene, and more importantly how effective your case was in showing the courts and the court officials for what they are. Or really how they operate. A lot of decent albeit ignorant people doing their job of following blind orders that make no sense and worse violate our rights as human beings.
Quote from: lastlady on December 03, 2008, 04:28 PM NHFT
Ian my first postcard to you in jail came back today. Return To Sender. It had a peace sign and told you how proud I was of your actions and how important it was in getting attention to the FSP, the freedom movement in Keene, and more importantly how effective your case was in showing the courts and the court officials for what they are. Or really how they operate. A lot of decent albeit ignorant people doing their job of following blind orders that make no sense and worse violate our rights as human beings.
I was wondering what they were gonna do with mail. I mailed a postcard out from Florida the day Ian was released, but I used my NH address as the return.
Thank you everyone! :D
Something I learned a while ago when a friend was in the hospital. If you know the person's home address use that as the return address on your mail. This way if they get out before they get the mail, it will be "returned" to their house.
Quote from: Pat McCotter on December 04, 2008, 01:38 AM NHFT
Something I learned a while ago when a friend was in the hospital. If you know the person's home address use that as the return address on your mail. This way if they get out before they get the mail, it will be "returned" to their house.
Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Pat McCotter on December 04, 2008, 01:38 AM NHFT
Something I learned a while ago when a friend was in the hospital. If you know the person's home address use that as the return address on your mail. This way if they get out before they get the mail, it will be "returned" to their house.
That technique has also been used to send mail without a stamp. It gets "returned" to the desired recipient for lack of postage.
Quote from: Pat McCotter on December 04, 2008, 01:38 AM NHFT
Something I learned a while ago when a friend was in the hospital. If you know the person's home address use that as the return address on your mail. This way if they get out before they get the mail, it will be "returned" to their house.
That's not a bad idea!
Quote from: dalebert on December 04, 2008, 08:40 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on December 04, 2008, 01:38 AM NHFT
Something I learned a while ago when a friend was in the hospital. If you know the person's home address use that as the return address on your mail. This way if they get out before they get the mail, it will be "returned" to their house.
That's not a bad idea!
I doubt you could mail something from say, here, with a FL return address, and have the NH mailbox office go "oh.. guess we didn't notice that until now. Send it back to Florida"
Never know though.
The couch has been removed? :(
Can we set up a holographic memorial to the couch?
Kinda like that 9-11-01 memorial with the lights?
http://z.about.com/d/manhattan/1/0/4/E/wtc_lights_DOD_Dana_Gould_1.jpg
I'd like to see expert witnesses subpeonaed to debate about the wave-particle duality of the virtual couch in the Keene court...
Heisenberg maintains that it's uncertain whether or not the couch actually exists, whether or not the location of the couch is actually on Ian's tenants' property, and speculates that the Observer Effect renders the subjective observations of the code enforcement national socialist worker unreliable, tainted, and inadmissible as evidence in court.
Planck has serious reservations about the whole affair, and has made an expression on the [im]probability that any actual crime was committed.
Local reporters have been unable to obtain any accurate accounts as to whether such a holographic couch exists.
Quote from: Bald Eagle on December 04, 2008, 05:39 PM NHFT
Can we set up a holographic memorial to the couch?
Kinda like that 9-11-01 memorial with the lights?
Hey! That's not a bad idea! Seriously, with Xmas coming up, he could make a couch shape out of white Xmas lights!
Quote from: Coconut on December 04, 2008, 04:33 PM NHFT
I doubt you could mail something from say, here, with a FL return address, and have the NH mailbox office go "oh.. guess we didn't notice that until now. Send it back to Florida"
No, I just like the idea of putting her return address instead of mine, for those letters that don't make it to the jail before she gets out.
Quote from: dalebert on December 04, 2008, 06:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: Bald Eagle on December 04, 2008, 05:39 PM NHFT
Can we set up a holographic memorial to the couch?
Kinda like that 9-11-01 memorial with the lights?
Hey! That's not a bad idea! Seriously, with Xmas coming up, he could make a couch shape out of white Xmas lights!
LOL. Strung between the two trees. I'm sure Ian wouldn't do it himself, but he may give someone else permission to.
Julia wants to build a sod couch. 8)
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on December 04, 2008, 09:11 PM NHFT
Julia wants to build a sod couch. 8)
She's brilliant... chee-a-pet couch. ;D
Lath structure with a clay over layment and scribed lines for the seed bed.
She's a keeper. :)
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on December 04, 2008, 09:11 PM NHFT
Julia wants to build a sod couch. 8)
Tell Julia I was in touch with the mother ship
and they think it's a good idea.
Quote from: dalebert on December 04, 2008, 06:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: Bald Eagle on December 04, 2008, 05:39 PM NHFT
Can we set up a holographic memorial to the couch?
Kinda like that 9-11-01 memorial with the lights?
Hey! That's not a bad idea! Seriously, with Xmas coming up, he could make a couch shape out of white Xmas lights!
Yeah, you could take apart some of those wire Deer lawn ornament things and weave them into a couch!
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on December 04, 2008, 09:11 PM NHFT
Julia wants to build a sod couch. 8)
I likey. They used to make small whole houses out of sod. Make it 100% out of sod, and the living grass will help it keep its shape. If you are serious, I'll help you build it. :)
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on December 04, 2008, 09:11 PM NHFT
Julia wants to build a sod couch. 8)
in the meantime ... you can have an ice sculpture
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 05, 2008, 11:46 AM NHFT
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on December 04, 2008, 09:11 PM NHFT
Julia wants to build a sod couch. 8)
in the meantime ... you can have an ice sculpture
I think I will make a Snow Couch this winter. Spray it with a little water to form a nice crust of ice and it will be pretty stable.
We should all make snow couches in our yards in Keene this winter!
Quote from: dalebert on December 05, 2008, 12:44 PM NHFT
We should all make snow couches in our yards in Keene this winter!
;D 8)
Quote from: dalebert on December 05, 2008, 12:44 PM NHFT
We should all make snow couches in our yards in Keene this winter!
+1
QFT.
&c..
Quote from: slim on December 05, 2008, 11:59 AM NHFT
I think I will make a Snow Couch this winter. Spray it with a little water to form a nice crust of ice and it will be pretty stable.
Sprinkle it with Gummi worms . . . !
Gummi worms... mmmm.
And the disobedience began to spread across the land.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R_xWgXwNpg4/RvyAy3xtd0I/AAAAAAAAANs/5simu3uFqNk/SF+2007+027.jpg)
http://newhampshirefreepress.com/node/430
QuoteRegarding Radio Show Host Jailed over Couch
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 15:58 — katkanning
Read your NHFP story on "Keene Radio Host Jailed over Couch" by Michael Hampton... It mentions housing inspector Carl Patten visited Freeman...
Patten has had other run-ins with independent-minded citizens that culminated with his recent firing... Of interest to you is the lastest Patten conflict with Vietnam War vet Rollin Pardo(sic)...Over an unregistered vehicle in his yard which is off of Mytle Street Keene...A conflict arose and Patten threaten Pardo and Pardo did the same, threatening to use a snowshovel...Pardo called the Governor's office...
But also of interest is that last year, Pardo had some chickens, including a rooster...Someone complained and the police showed up...Rather than wait for animal control, the officer sought out the offending bird, hiding under one of Rolli's cars...He pulled out his pistol and shot it...Never mind that he could have pierced the gas can or sent a bullet into a nieghbor's (including Rep. Chris Robert's) House...Had the Sentinel played his up, this would have hit the AP wires... Pardo was paid by the city $5 for his rooster... Would make a wonderful frontpage account in the NH Free Press.
From
A Little Birdy
Holy Crap!!
It looks like the Keeniacs aren't the craziest folks in Keene.
Time to get out of Keene! Move to Seabrook or some'thin!
Can the headline of this thread be changed? Every time I read it now, I get an adrenaline surge.
Certainly. :)
I heard rumors he was fired for sexual harassment. Wonder what the real story is.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on May 14, 2009, 02:53 PM NHFT
I heard rumors he was fired for sexual harassment. Wonder what the real story is.
" 'Erotic' is when you do it with a feather; 'kinky' is when you do it with the
whole chicken . . ."
me got an e-mail in to the city manager and the code enforcement section to see if they can verify this.
just another reason to tape these 'people' all the time.
i wouldn't put anything past that guy
G'day Mates
Seems that Ian has himself in a bit of a bind...no worries, we can fix that. Would someone please show me the law that states that anyone has to rise when a corp, fiction walks into the room. Crikey mates remember who you are..one below the Almighty...then the courts. I would suggest that a whole lot of folks go to court during Ian hearings and refuse to stand when the judge enters...I would also suggest that you are NOT in his Jurisdiction...But one of We The People...Standing on Dry Land, unless you cross the Bar. Now if what happened to Ian, would have happened to me...I would have said in a very loud Voice...on and for the record..I do NOT Consent! On and for the record "This court takes judicial Notice of the Judge's Oath..Then go on to say on and for the record sir...what type of contempt are you charging me with?
Criminal or Civil? What venue Common Law, or statutory law. Now if this silly bugger states criminal! the sir please bring forth the complaint sign and verified by two witness..Toast! Ahh...civil then...well sir would you please place into evidence the signed contract between us...toast again. Ian was doing the right thing...only problem was he didn't know how to handle the contempt charge...I would also suggest that anyone going into a court of law (sic) be armed and loaded for bear. that means kids..1. Claim of Right. 2. Power of attorney (for self) 3. For Competency and Incompetence, Revocation of Power of
Attorney and Firing all Persons below and Demand to cease and desist.
This is a sweet one mates i.e,: The reason for this document - you and I have been declared dead and incompetent to handle any of your affairs without the representation of 3rd parties. This declares you alive and a Sovereign and Competent to handle all of your affairs. The firing of all third parties allows you to manage and handle all of your affairs as you so choose. The third parties are then declared Incompetent and will be committing a commercial crime of practicing law without a license if they proceed.
This document, along with your Power of Attorney for representing your STRAWMAN and your Copyright of your STRAWMAN name, are the most important documents in your quest for freedom and Sovereignty. You are now a King or Queen as you were created to be.
Any offer/document received from this day forward, simply write diagonally across "I have received your offer and I accept it as true. I am returning your offer for discharge and
closure in this matter. You are ordered to return all papers regarding this matter to me
within the 3 day period. Sign it by ______________________ and date it. Attach your Power
of Attorney and Copyright and you Competency and incompetence document to their offer
and return it to them. Make a copy always for the Sheriff, Governor, and if about Taxes the Comptroller. If Ian has a friend that would like to contact me...please e-mail with a phone #. will do what we can to help.
Chase
Maybe some could lock this necrotic thread before more noobs get lured in.
And while you're at it, could you lock the subject of all this corporate legal fiction B.S. that's as tired as this thread? It's been tried. Courts ignored it. Let's move on. ::)
Quote from: dalebert on June 06, 2009, 11:20 AM NHFT
Maybe some could lock this necrotic thread before more noobs get lured in.
And while you're at it, could you lock the subject of all this corporate legal fiction B.S. that's as tired as this thread? It's been tried. Courts ignored it. Let's move on. ::)
G'day mate
I live here in Indiana..and the last traffic case I did using this approach was dismissed.
You're full of shit. Every traffic case in Indiana gets dismissed if you show up to court. Your case wasn't dismissed because of the complexities of your stupid argument, it was dismissed because your officer isn't paid to show up to testify against you, so 99% of the time they don't show up.
Quote from: Guardian Knights on June 06, 2009, 11:14 AM NHFT
This document, along with your Power of Attorney for representing your STRAWMAN and your Copyright of your STRAWMAN name, are the most important documents in your quest for freedom and Sovereignty. You are now a King or Queen as you were created to be.
Do you have youtube video of this so we can laugh at you?
Man, I saw "Ian Freeman arrested" subject line and got a hit of adrenaline, before I saw the date.
Me too
me three and it sucks
Quote from: Kat Kanning on June 06, 2009, 02:23 PM NHFT
Man, I saw "Ian Freeman arrested" subject line and got a hit of adrenaline, before I saw the date.
Happens to me every time!
Thanks guys and nice lady! Now I don't feel like such a goof ;D
Quote from: Caleb on June 06, 2009, 01:07 PM NHFT
You're full of shit. Every traffic case in Indiana gets dismissed if you show up to court. Your case wasn't dismissed because of the complexities of your stupid argument, it was dismissed because your officer isn't paid to show up to testify against you, so 99% of the time they don't show up.
Sir, I can assure you not every case is dismissed because the officer didn't show, the officer in my case was there. I am not here to fight with you good folks, as I stated in the post this is what I did...I have no reason to lie to you or anybody for that matter. They dismissed the case "Dismissal in the best interest of Indiana"
I talked to one of the public defenders afterward, seems that they did not want to deal with the Power of attorney...they had nowhere to go with it. I have been active in the freeman world for awhile now and most of the judges know me. I have always taken the approach of asking the right questions in the court, mates this is NOT about fighting...I do not wish to be in conflict with them...I just hold them to the same standers as they hold us. I would suggest that you watch Robert Menard, a good bloke with the right approach. The Guardian Knights are here in Indiana to help folks with court, foreclosures and other issues, we do not charge or ask for donations...just a group of people looking for peace and abundance. Once again I am NOT an attorney or a member of the BAR...We are just people helping people. which gives us that warm fuzzy feeling when they win. And mates we do win...lose too...but at least we do try.
As always
With love and respect to all
Chase..the new guy
Quote from: Guardian Knights on June 06, 2009, 05:22 PM NHFT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxMakuIjtE
That is a pretty interesting video. Using parking tickets to learn how the courts work sounded interesting.
Quote from: Caleb on June 06, 2009, 01:07 PM NHFT
You're full of shit. Every traffic case in Indiana gets dismissed if you show up to court. Your case wasn't dismissed because of the complexities of your stupid argument, it was dismissed because your officer isn't paid to show up to testify against you, so 99% of the time they don't show up.
Sir, I can assure you not every case is dismissed because the officer didn't show, the officer in my case was there. I am not here to fight with you good folks, as I stated in the post this is what I did...I have no reason to lie to you or anybody for that matter. They dismissed the case "Dismissal in the best interest of Indiana"
I talked to one of the public defenders afterward, seems that they did not want to deal with the Power of attorney...they had nowhere to go with it. I have been active in the freeman world for awhile now and most of the judges know me. I have always taken the approach of asking the right questions in the court, mates this is NOT about fighting...I do not wish to be in conflict with them...I just hold them to the same standers as they hold us. I would suggest that you watch Robert Menard, a good bloke with the right approach. The Guardian Knights are here in Indiana to help folks with court, foreclosures and other issues, we do not charge or ask for donations...just a group of people looking for peace and abundance. Once again I am NOT an attorney or a member of the BAR...We are just people helping people. which gives us that warm fuzzy feeling when they win. And mates we do win...lose too...but at least we do try.
As always
With love and respect to all
Chase..the new guy
Quote from: Guardian Knights on June 06, 2009, 06:21 PM NHFT
Sir, I can assure you not every case is dismissed because the officer didn't show, the officer in my case was there. I am not here to fight with you good folks, as I stated in the post this is what I did...I have no reason to lie to you or anybody for that matter. They dismissed the case "Dismissal in the best interest of Indiana"
I talked to one of the public defenders afterward, seems that they did not want to deal with the Power of attorney...they had nowhere to go with it. I have been active in the freeman world for awhile now and most of the judges know me.
My best guess is that they knew you would clog up the system and stop them from collecting revenue. Dismissing "in the best interest of Indiana" means cutting you loose before you cost them more money.
I think Robert has some very good points in this video...see what you think,
Chase
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxMakuIjtE&feature=related
This is Winston Shrout Habeas...I am hoping someone can fill it in and summit it to the Court for Ian...do it myself...however I am in Indiana...someone there is going to have to do it.
Chase
Habeas Petition for Writ
Winston Shrout
c/o Box 123
Anywhere, Utah
FIFTH DISTRICT COURT
ANYWHERE, UTAH
PETITION FOR WRIT FOR HABEAS CORPUS
In re: RESTRAINT OF LIBERTY BY JOHN SMITH
WINSTON SHROUT, Petitioner
c/o Box 123, Anywhere, Utah
vs.
JOHN SMITH, Respondent
123 Main Str., Anywhere, Utah
Judge: _________________________ Case Number: __________________
submitted by: Winston Shrout, lawful man, Real Party in Interest
domicile: Washington county, Utah state
Comes now Winston Shrout, lawful man and a Real Party in Interest in this instant matter, appearing specially under "restricted appearance" (Rule E 8 of the Supplemental Rules for Certain Admiralty and Maritime Claims) exercising his right to petition the general government for redress of grievance guaranteed by the Constitution for the United States, a remedy provided by the privilege of the extraordinary writ for habeas corpus, the Great Writ for Liberty, which is within the collective heritage of the people of the United States and England. Petitioner asserts in fact that his liberty has and is now being restrained by John Smith, the "keeper of the key", d/b/a JOHN SMITH. Winston Shrout has exhausted his administrative remedies in this matter, and there is no plain, speedy or adequate in law remedy available. The actions of John Smith, d/b/a JOHN SMITH, are ultra vires, in that John Smith is using legal procedures for unlawful ends. JOHN SMITH is a fiction acting for profit and gain in the public and cannot reach parity with Winston Shrout, lawful man.
JURISDICTION AND VENUE
1. Our Supreme Court for Utah has original cognizance of this matter, and is a court of general jurisdiction. Fifth District Court, Anywhere, Utah, is a subordinate court of limited jurisdiction operating at the convenience of the Supreme Court for Utah. Jurisdiction in this instant matter is guaranteed to the Fifth District Court by sufficiency of pleadings. In the event the Fifth District Court is incompetent to issue the Great Writ, the matter will be taken to the Supreme Court supported by affidavit of suspension of the privilege of the Great Writ by the Fifth District Court.
2. The Respondent, John Smith, d/b/a JOHN SMITH, whose residence is 123 Main Street, Anywhere, Utah, is within the cognizance of this court.
3. The restraint of liberty by Respondent, is in fact an ongoing restraint against Petitioner within the jurisdiction and venue of this court as the tortuous acts of Respondent occur within Washington county, Utah state.
RESTRAINT OF LIBERTY
4. Respondent is in fact slandering the commercial interests of Petitioner by publicly advertising false statements to the detriment of Petitioner.
5. Respondent has in fact filed a colorable suit against the commercial interest of Petitioner, the Respondent having failed to exhaust his administrative remedies.
6. Respondent is in fact attempting a remedy of inland seizure having failure to protocols in admiralty law, and there is no other plain, speed, or adequate in law remedy available or under limited liability.
RESTRAINT OF LIBERTY IS UNLAWFUL
7. Respondent is in fact attempting under the limited liability of JOHN SMITH to convert a colorable fictional claim, an unregistered quasi-security, into a security interest in the tangibles of Petitioner. Petitioner believes conversion of a security to be a felony.
8. The actions of Respondent are unlawful in that Respondent cannot exert a "blue sky" remedy where there does not exist any cause of action and/or right of action in fact. There is no right of lien in evidence hence there is no claim for relief available to Respondent in this instant matter.
9. Respondent, who is re-presented in this matter by James Jones #1234, d/b/a JAMES JONES an attorney, is in bad faith with unclean hands [Rule 11 violation] for failure in equity for failure to exhaust administrative remedies before placing this matter before a tax-payer supported court in fraud [18 USC 4 misprision of felony and possible RICO scheme violations].
EXHAUSTION OF REMEDY
10. Petitioner has exhausted his administrative remedies and completed due process is this matter (see Exhibit A) and has an agreement with the Respondent to cease all litigation as per judgment in estoppel [Notary certification of non-response], estoppel in pais, collateral estoppel, res judicata, and stare decisis, et al. Respondent has agreed to stop all tortuous activity against Petitioner, and Respondent is in contempt for his own agreement, and in contempt of the judgment in estoppel (Certificate of non-response) by the Notary.
11. Respondent acts as a continuous tort feasor in contempt of his own agreement.
12. Petitioner has no other plain, speedy, or adequate in law remedy available in this instant matter which is totally in limited liability and admiralty/maritime insurance doctrine.
CONCLUSION
13. Petition knows of no other course of action in this instant matter except to issue a writ for habeas corpus to determine the nature and cause of Respondent's actions, if any there be in fact.
14. This issue of writ for habeas corpus is fundamental to a collateral attack on the tortuous actions of Respondent, and for judicial review of the criminal acts of Respondent and the attorney for Respondent.
15. NOTICE: For this court, the Fifth District Court, to refuse to issue the Great Writ would be a suspension of the privilege of the writ, which is a refusal for due process to the Petitioner, giving rise to a Federal question and failure for due process, a duty and obligation for a tax-payer supported court.
I, Winston Shrout, lawful man Petitioner, on my own unlimited commercial liability, do affirm that I have read the above Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus and do know the contents to be true, correct, and complete, and not misleading, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and do believe the above described acts to have been committed contrary to law.
____________________________ ________
Winston Shrout, lawful Man date
The Authorized Representative
I, ________________________________ , a notary public residing in Washington county, Utah, do affirm that a man known to me as Winston Shrout appeared before me in his true character and did swear to the truthfulness of this Petition and did affix his signature to the above document on the _____ day of _______ month, 2004.
____________________________________ _______
seal
Quote from: thinkliberty on June 06, 2009, 06:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: Guardian Knights on June 06, 2009, 05:22 PM NHFT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxMakuIjtE
That is a pretty interesting video. Using parking tickets to learn how the courts work sounded interesting.
G'day mate
Traffic court is a grand place to start your learning, it was for me...worse case you pay the fine...best case your dismissed and walk. Putting a Judge on his Oath during court...priceless!!! ;D
Identity Hearing generic
John Henry Smith
123 Main
Seattle, Washington
________________________________________________________________________
Seattle District Court
King County, Washington
_______________________________________________________________________
STATE OF WASHINGTON )
Plaintiff ) in Admiralty
Vs. ) Case # CR-03-439544-A
)
JOHN H SMITH )
Defendant ) PETITION IN THE NATURE OF
____________________________________) A MOTION FOR AN IDENTITY
JOHN H SMITH ) HEARING AND MOTION FOR
Third Party Plaintiff ) HEARING/ORAL ARGUMENTS
Vs. )
) TO THE CLERK: Please schedule
WILLIAM JONES ) this hearing on the master calendar
Third Party Defendant ) and notice all parties of time/place
John Henry Smith, Third Party Interest ) Date: _________ Time: _________
Intervenor, a Real Party in Interest )
PETITION IN THE NATURE OF A MOTION FOR AN IDENTITY HEARING AND MOTION FOR HEARING/ORAL ARGUMENTS
Note: The Clerk of the Court is requested to schedule a hearing on this matter on the master calendar as it would be impossible to reach any agreements in this matter without the opportunity for oral arguments.
1. This court is assuming the identity of the UNITED STATES vessel, JOHN H SMITH, to be in privity with John Henry Smith, the living, breathing, sentient being.
2. The attorney, William Jones, acting as "accuser" and "prosecutor" has assumed and stolen the identity of the lawful man, John Henry Smith.
3. William Jones, an attorney, actor in the Seattle District Court, has stolen and converted for profit and gain the private exemption of John Henry Smith.
4. It appears that William Jones has created a tort upon John Henry Smith, making William Jones a continuous tort feasor.
5. William Jones and other unknown tort feasors have stolen the identity of John Henry Smith, and have trespassed on his proprietary rights to the corporate JOHN H SMITH.
6. William Jones and other unknown tort feasors have created a liability in the public mis-using JOHN H SMITH, and have created commercial slander against the proprietary rights and commercial affairs of John Henry Smith.
7. William Jones and other unknown tort feasors have injured the proprietary rights of John Henry Smith in the corporate JOHN H SMITH by filling out and filing bonds referred to as SF-24 (Bid Bond), SF-25 (Performance Bond), and SF-25A (Payment Bond) through the Social Security and the GSA Office thus stealing the private exemption of John Henry Smith and converting for profit and gain.
8. John Henry Smith has never agreed for William Jones to use his identity and private exemption for profit and gain.
9. John Henry Smith has never given William Jones license.
CONCLUSION
10. NOTICE: This court on its own motion ought to dismiss all colorable accusations, groundless claims, and theft of identity.
11. This court on its own motion ought to restore all stolen property including but not limited to all names, titles, and identities in this matter to John Henry Smith, a Real Party in Interest.
12. This court is charged for the knowledge of the law. The court has a duty and obligation to its creators, who are in fact the creditors for the UNITED STATES/STATE OF WASHINGTON, to never injure a man.
13. The Seattle District Court, a court of fiction operating as a corporate entity for profit and gain, a third party debt collector, can never reach parity with John Henry Smith, a man on the land. The law cannot require impossibilities.
________________________________________ _________
John Henry Smith, the authorized representative for date
JOHN H SMITH™
____________
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Identity Hearing generic
John Henry Smith
123 Main
Seattle, Washington
________________________________________________________________________
Seattle District Court
King County, Washington
_______________________________________________________________________
STATE OF WASHINGTON )
Plaintiff ) in Admiralty
Vs. ) Case # CR-03-439544-A
)
JOHN H SMITH )
Defendant ) PETITION IN THE NATURE OF
____________________________________) A MOTION FOR AN IDENTITY
JOHN H SMITH ) HEARING AND MOTION FOR
Third Party Plaintiff ) HEARING/ORAL ARGUMENTS
Vs. )
) TO THE CLERK: Please schedule
WILLIAM JONES ) this hearing on the master calendar
Third Party Defendant ) and notice all parties of time/place
John Henry Smith, Third Party Interest ) Date: _________ Time: _________
Intervenor, a Real Party in Interest )
PETITION IN THE NATURE OF A MOTION FOR AN IDENTITY HEARING AND MOTION FOR HEARING/ORAL ARGUMENTS
Note: The Clerk of the Court is requested to schedule a hearing on this matter on the master calendar as it would be impossible to reach any agreements in this matter without the opportunity for oral arguments.
1. This court is assuming the identity of the UNITED STATES vessel, JOHN H SMITH, to be in privity with John Henry Smith, the living, breathing, sentient being.
2. The attorney, William Jones, acting as "accuser" and "prosecutor" has assumed and stolen the identity of the lawful man, John Henry Smith.
3. William Jones, an attorney, actor in the Seattle District Court, has stolen and converted for profit and gain the private exemption of John Henry Smith.
4. It appears that William Jones has created a tort upon John Henry Smith, making William Jones a continuous tort feasor.
5. William Jones and other unknown tort feasors have stolen the identity of John Henry Smith, and have trespassed on his proprietary rights to the corporate JOHN H SMITH.
6. William Jones and other unknown tort feasors have created a liability in the public mis-using JOHN H SMITH, and have created commercial slander against the proprietary rights and commercial affairs of John Henry Smith.
7. William Jones and other unknown tort feasors have injured the proprietary rights of John Henry Smith in the corporate JOHN H SMITH by filling out and filing bonds referred to as SF-24 (Bid Bond), SF-25 (Performance Bond), and SF-25A (Payment Bond) through the Social Security and the GSA Office thus stealing the private exemption of John Henry Smith and converting for profit and gain.
8. John Henry Smith has never agreed for William Jones to use his identity and private exemption for profit and gain.
9. John Henry Smith has never given William Jones license.
CONCLUSION
10. NOTICE: This court on its own motion ought to dismiss all colorable accusations, groundless claims, and theft of identity.
11. This court on its own motion ought to restore all stolen property including but not limited to all names, titles, and identities in this matter to John Henry Smith, a Real Party in Interest.
12. This court is charged for the knowledge of the law. The court has a duty and obligation to its creators, who are in fact the creditors for the UNITED STATES/STATE OF WASHINGTON, to never injure a man.
13. The Seattle District Court, a court of fiction operating as a corporate entity for profit and gain, a third party debt collector, can never reach parity with John Henry Smith, a man on the land. The law cannot require impossibilities.
________________________________________ _________
John Henry Smith, the authorized representative for date
JOHN H SMITH™
____________
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Quote from: thinkliberty on June 06, 2009, 06:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: Guardian Knights on June 06, 2009, 05:22 PM NHFT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxMakuIjtE
That is a pretty interesting video. Using parking tickets to learn how the courts work sounded interesting.
This is similar to how NH-CLOG works, but we're not resorting to arcane legal conspiracy theories. We're just using their own specific statutes (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/nhtoc.htm) and administrative rules (http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/index.htm) against them.