the nra is offering free memberships right now, I normally would not join, because there are better organizations out there to give my money too... but for the cost of free I will join them. :flower:
sign up here:
http://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/
They want to have a nice big membership list to turn over to the feds for gun confiscation. :P
Even with a free membership, I'm not sure I wanna join. The NRA does some good work in some places, but one of the most important issues to me is felon ownership of guns, and from what I have seen in the past, they're hostile to the idea.
I think I'd rather support a pro-gun NH group and work on getting New Hampshire out of the "N" in NRA. 8)
you can also get a ss# for free too
The NRA sucks in the same way the big 'evangelical' religion-for-the-masses churches suck; they don't back up what they say they believe in with their actions. They can keep their 'free' membership. In fact, they couldn't pay me to join them.
Join the GOA instead.
QuoteJoin the GOA instead.
http://gunowners.org/
Great organization! I got some criticism on one of the forum for "making 'perfect' the enemy of good" but I really wish principled folks would support the GOA and make THEM the largest pro-gun lobby. :)
Quote from: slave_3646 on March 24, 2009, 12:41 PM NHFT
The NRA sucks in the same way the big 'evangelical' religion-for-the-masses churches suck; they don't back up what they say they believe in with their actions. They can keep their 'free' membership. In fact, they couldn't pay me to join them.
Join the GOA instead.
Agreed.
Only time I've ever joined was when I was required to in order to joined a local range here. Evidently almost all ranges get their insurance though the NRA and as a stipulation they are required to have a large percentage of their members be NRA members. :P
The NRA is a great organization and the free 1year membership is a great offer. They fully support our rights as gun owners and they have enough "cred" at this point to make a difference on the big stage. They also have a lot of resources to make a difference.
QuoteThank you for joining the NRA by accepting the one-year gift membership, and for your great support of the Second Amendment as an NRA member!
In addition to your insurance coverage and other benefits, your NRA is always looking for ways to make your membership more valuable and rewarding. Below you'll find just a few of the benefits and services available to you right now.
Thanks again for being part of our NRA family!
big +1
Quote from: leetninja on March 24, 2009, 05:02 PM NHFT
The NRA is a great organization and the free 1year membership is a great offer. They fully support our rights as gun owners...
Really?
They don't support Joe (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=784)'s rights, nor Mark (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=625)'s, because they have felony convictions.
They don't support Ian (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14)'s rights, because he partakes of the demon weed (possession of a firearm while addicted to, or an unlawful user of, any controlled substance is a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended).
Rather than being neutral on this issues, the NRA not only supports, but actively partners with local and federal government agencies to pursue firearms possession by such "prohibited persons". Ever heard of Project Exile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile)?
Quote from: KBCraig on March 24, 2009, 10:11 PM NHFT
Really?
They don't support Joe (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=784)'s rights, nor Mark (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=625)'s, because they have felony convictions.
They don't support Ian (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14)'s rights, because he partakes of the demon weed (possession of a firearm while addicted to, or an unlawful user of, any controlled substance is a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended).
Rather than being neutral on this issues, the NRA not only supports, but actively partners with local and federal government agencies to pursue firearms possession by such "prohibited persons". Ever heard of Project Exile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile)?
It would be a shame to sign up, then a month down the road and resign by calling them and telling them to remove you as a member for those reasons you listed.... >:D It would be really horrible if a whole bunch of people did it.
The NRA also operates on a position of political expediency, not rights or positions. For example, once I ran for election against a fellow who was strongly opposed to anyone owning a gun. However, the NRA refused to support me because he was simply too powerful. They told me that they couldn't afford to anger him by supporting his opponent. I was as pro-gun as you can get (I see nothing wrong with bazookas).
Quote from: KBCraig on March 24, 2009, 10:11 PM NHFT
Quote from: leetninja on March 24, 2009, 05:02 PM NHFT
The NRA is a great organization and the free 1year membership is a great offer. They fully support our rights as gun owners...
Really?
They don't support Joe (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=784)'s rights, nor Mark (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=625)'s, because they have felony convictions.
They don't support Ian (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14)'s rights, because he partakes of the demon weed (possession of a firearm while addicted to, or an unlawful user of, any controlled substance is a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended).
Rather than being neutral on this issues, the NRA not only supports, but actively partners with local and federal government agencies to pursue firearms possession by such "prohibited persons". Ever heard of Project Exile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile)?
For me, it's not that they don't support our rights. It's that they actively oppose them.
More reading. (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcInfoBase.asp?CatID=175)
QuoteThe program was designed to address gang violence which had long plagued Richmond. At the time of its inception, the level of murders and shootings had regularly increased each year, with Richmond ranking in the top five murder-per-capita rates for the country.
as for the other stuff,
I dont consider a plant that grows in the dirt an illegal or controlled substance.
I dont know what felonies they were convicted of or circumstances surrounding the charges etc. I'm also not going to debate weather or not convicted felons should have the right to bear arms or not. I actually dont have a very strong stance on that issue to be honest.
Didn't the NRA also support the Assault Weapons Ban?
Quote from: leetninja on March 25, 2009, 02:38 PM NHFT
I dont know what felonies they were convicted of or circumstances surrounding the charges etc. I'm also not going to debate weather or not convicted felons should have the right to bear arms or not. I actually dont have a very strong stance on that issue to be honest.
That is only because the government has not made you a felon, yet.
because i havent committed any felonies ... >:D
Quotebecause i havent committed any felonies
"When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all."
well depends on the felony i guess ...
i dont think someone who smashes mailboxes and is convicted of a felony should not be able to have a gun just because they did something stupid like playing mailbox baseball which is a relatively stupid thing to do ... however someone who wakes up in the morning and decides to say ... shoot a school bus full of kids dead being told they can not own a firearm now that they are out on parole for "good behavior" after X number of years in jail i am ok with in fact im glad said person doesnt have a gun or the right to wander around with one.
i think that about summarizes how i feel about it ... i think ...
perhaps i need enlightening on how that feeling would be wrong so i can better form an opinion on it but im not sure
Quoteshoot a school bus full of kids dead being told they can not own a firearm
Here's the heart of WHY felon ownership is so strong to me. You're not preventing felons from owning guns. You're preventing them from owning them
legally. The distinction is, regardless of the law, people who want to hurt people will aquire the tools to get them. If the shooter on the school bus cared on bit for the law (or human life) he's have NOT shot those kids since murder has been illegal for a long time.
So, felon prohibition applies ONLY to those felons now willing to follow the law. Even if their previous violation was shooting a school bus full of kids, their willingness to NOT possess a gun indicates a willingness NOT to use it in a crime against a person. So, you've got a law that affects felons who won't hurt people into the future, and a DAMN CONVENIENT category for the goverment people to push non-felons INTO when they want to make them go away.
that is why i said i dont have a strong opinion on it. i agree with what you are saying but then i want to say "but wait" and go into a tangent about how it makes it harder to obtain a firearm if you are convicted versus not - but the debate is endless ... if the person decides to stab a bus full does that mean the govt will prohibit that person from buying knives?
how will they cut their steak!?
i hope you know what im saying here.
Quote from: leetninja on March 25, 2009, 02:38 PM NHFT
I dont consider a plant that grows in the dirt an illegal or controlled substance.
That was the "felony" that Joe committed.
Sure you're not a felon? Sure you don't mind felons losing their right to keep and bear arms?