Calls are coming in over Porc411.
Sam Dodson, (SamIAm) was arrested at Keene district Court for recording without bureaucrat permission. He was then dragged off and beaten by court officers. Several callers report Sam screaming while being taken to a back room.
He continued to scream, once caller commented and mentioned Sam "being beaten back there" and not letting people watch.
The activists were them told to leave and many refused. Backup was called leading to what was described by one caller as "The entire Keene PD here". Reports indicate that the entire group was detained (legally). Several arrestest occured, including several activists physically being hauled out of hte place. it is confirmed that there WAS a reporter for the Keene Sentinel there, but not detained.
Of those arrested for SURE are Sam, David Krouse and Tim Danforth but others were as well.
Adding info for calendar -KK
Sam A Robrin's arraignment, May 13th
Nick, Tim and Patrick arraignments, May 18th 1:30pm
David's arraignment, May 19th 1:30 pm
Sam A Robrin's Trial July 27th 1:30pm
David's Trial June 22nd 1:30 pm
Manchester activists are arranging carpools to Keene right now, roughtly 2:05 pm EST. Anybody in Manchester who has a car and is willing to give rides to other activists are encouraged to call Porc411 to arrange as many ride-shares as possible.
last call says Sam is going to the hospital.
Fuckers.
Yeah, and I'm too sick to go or I would happily offer my car for car pooling over there.
Quotelast call says Sam is going to the hospital.
I can't believe I forgot to include that part. :(
I left a message with one of the Porc411 callers. The guys on the scene probably aren't getting messages and need to know that the Manchester activists are on the way.
Quote from: Josh on April 13, 2009, 01:04 PM NHFT
last call says Sam is going to the hospital.
Fuckers.
I had a feeling they were going to go that far but I did not think it would happen this quickly.
The thugs have got their rocks off today by beating a person and sending them to the hospital.
I called Nick Ryder, one of the other initial callers. It seems that people in Keene aren't answering, or are unable, to answer their phones right now. :S Nick claimed that he was issued a citation and that he'd given enough to not be arrested, but nothing more has come out of Keene since those initial calls.
Qik footage from Keene, courtesy of Ian Freeman.
http://qik.com/video/1450903
http://qik.com/video/1450925
http://qik.com/video/1451066
Quote from: slim on April 13, 2009, 01:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: Josh on April 13, 2009, 01:04 PM NHFT
last call says Sam is going to the hospital.
Fuckers.
I had a feeling they were going to go that far but I did not think it would happen this quickly.
The thugs have got their rocks off today by beating a person and sending them to the hospital.
I'm actually surprised the mindless zombies didn't do this much sooner.
Some Qik footage from Keene, Courtesy of FreeKeene.com's antijingoist
http://qik.com/video/1450745
Patrick and David have been released with paperwork. A Porc411 caller says that 4 of the 5 detained people have thus far been released.
There was reference to Sam "still being in custody" so perhaps the report of him being taken to the hospital was exagerated.
Why were they at the courthouse?
Curt (Lumpy) seems to be not complying with the court people, so he is still being detained.
Per David Krouse, Sam didn't appear to have been beaten, but he did refuse to be dragged off which is physically exhaustive, explaining his red face.
They can't stop the signal
Quote from: Caleb on April 13, 2009, 01:47 PM NHFT
Why were they at the courthouse?
I believe this was for the arraignment/public flogging of Dave Ridley for recording in the (Keene court house) aka Ministry of Love
Dale called. It seems everyone is now out except for Sam, who is still refusing to comply with the government people's demands.
The Keene group is meeing for lunch at Fritz's and then heading over to Westmoreland jail where Sam is being caged.
Ivy is attempting to arrange a carpool from her area and invites anybody interested in going to contact her on her cell phone.
Actually Ivy was in Candia so was not in Grafton/Bristol area.
Ridley Qik cam of the arrests:
http://qik.com/video/1450890?page=2
Keene sentinel bulletin:
http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/local/free/doc49e38ebe6667c861873640.txt
The Sentinel staff were there through the entire event, and also didn't leave when asked according to some reports. The above bulletin will include a story on the events.
Excellent, I'm glad to see the Keene Sentinel people cover it. I wish it were possible to contact them easily... Inofrmation isn't on their site.
Quote from: Caleb on April 13, 2009, 01:47 PM NHFT
Why were they at the courthouse?
Dave Ridley was visiting the court.
Andrew Carroll possessed cannabis in an anti-drug war assembly. When in court for that, Dave Ridley was arrested for recording in a blatant exercise of press freedoms. While Dave graced the courts with his presence, Sam was arrested for recording it...
It's really hard to sum that up in a 250 character Digg summary. :P
so, what were people charged with? Those that received summonses? And did Dave R. ever get his hearing?
Quote from: jzacker on April 13, 2009, 02:48 PM NHFT
so, what were people charged with? Those that received summonses? And did Dave R. ever get his hearing?
From some of the video it sounded like they were ticketed for "disorderly conduct"
Yeah, it was Disorderly Conduct aka Not Obeying Government People's Every Whim.
Quote from: PaulOtt on April 13, 2009, 03:06 PM NHFT
Yeah, it was Disorderly Conduct aka Not Obeying Government People's Every Whim.
So, I guess when those people return to the court for their hearing, people will bring cameras? Vicious cycle.
A vicious cycle indeed. It's too bad the thugs feel the need to keep it going, when they could simply let people record the public events.
Unless of course they have something to hide...
Quote from: slim on April 13, 2009, 02:53 PM NHFT
Quote from: jzacker on April 13, 2009, 02:48 PM NHFT
so, what were people charged with? Those that received summonses? And did Dave R. ever get his hearing?
From some of the video it sounded like they were ticketed for "disorderly conduct"
I got disorderly conduct for standing there. Exactly like the Keene Sentinel reporter standing there, who was not issued a ticket.
This makes me strongly consider selling my business (which I LOVE) and moving to Keene. You guys rock!
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 13, 2009, 02:47 PM NHFT
Andrew Carroll possessed cannabis in an anti-drug war assembly. When in court for that, Dave Ridley was arrested for recording in a blatant exercise of press freedoms. While Dave graced the courts with his presence, Sam was arrested for recording it...
It's really hard to sum that up in a 250 character Digg summary. :P
Andrew had pot in public, very illegal...Dave tried to enter a court with a cam, semi-illegal under circumstances...bunch of people arrested for standing in a public place, charges made up to fit the "crime"...maybe next time there won't even be a reason!
Also, this is making me think Keene's the place to go after college, nuther year.
QuoteExactly like the Keene Sentinel reporter standing there, who was not issued a ticket.
You damn Free Staters... You get what you dese... oh... wait...
It is hard to tell what exactly happened, but I am assuming that they arrested Sam for daring to video record. Then they arrested or otherwise ticketed others who didn't do exactly what they commanded or not fast enough.
I am glad you guys have each stood up to the thugs in your own way and at the level you were ready. I am glad that Sam is probably making their jobs a little harder today. I am glad that so many people were there and joined the Keeniacs later. Have fun storming the castle.
I am glad that the police state is being exposed for what it really is...
force, theft, manipulation, lies, greed, control, fraud, puppetry, automata, and so much more... in other words: evil
And to think it all starts with some individual somewhere saying to themselves: "I don't like what this person is doing. I'm going to find a way to make them stop"
And they justify it to themselves and to others. Pretty soon it is Status Quo - Part of normal operating procedure - No big deal - If you're not with them, you're against them - Et. Al.
these cops are idiots if they think this will do anything but bring more people to Keene. Pretty soon, they won't be able to carry people around.
I hope the police have a forklift for big boys like me.
Quote from: AntonLee on April 13, 2009, 05:32 PM NHFT
these cops are idiots if they think this will do anything but bring more people to Keene. Pretty soon, they won't be able to carry people around.
I hope the police have a forklift for big boys like me.
they have a pocket forklift known as a Taser. It it known to bring people off the ground, or bury them six feet under it. Your results may vary.
The technique used today was to lift the arms of the victim that are cuffed behind the back. Russell can tell you how much it hurts.
I was reminding them that it was completely unnecessary with a dangerous chance of permanent damage to the shoulders and or nerve damage. The only purpose is punishment for not walking. They had the man power to carry the people, in fact they were carrying them, with the added torture effect the only reason they do it.
I hope he sues Keene for civil rights violations.
It might get some taxpayers mad that the police force they are forced to pay for are wasting their money by being fined for kidnapping people illegally.
I would use the money I got for suing the police to move more liberty activists to Keene.
so, is everyone out of jail yet?
Quote from: thinkliberty on April 13, 2009, 07:35 PM NHFT
I hope he sues Keene for civil rights violations.
It might get some taxpayers mad that the police force they are forced to pay for are wasting their money by being fined for kidnapping people illegally.
I would use the money I got for suing the police to move more liberty activists to Keene.
The statists have been asking FSP members to use the system to change it.
Quote from: jzacker on April 13, 2009, 07:39 PM NHFT
so, is everyone out of jail yet?
I believe SamIam is still being held in the Ministry of Love.
I believe what happened to Sam was they handcuffed him then tried to lift him while he was on his stomach. I didn't actually see this, so this is just an assumption, I didn't see Sam till I saw him on the floor in the Police building, then unhandcuffed and on his back. Those arrested or 'summoned' did so after Sam was arrested in response to whatever they were doing behind closed doors. The cop told us to leave, then called backup, told us if we were still here when the backup came we would be summoned. Many chose to stay. A couple of us initially refused to give any info and the cops arrested us.
A couple observations: This is our first mass disobediance/arrest. It was triggered entirely by them hurting Sam.
The angryist person in the room was officer Rivera, apparently the commanding officer. He was pissed when the backup he called didn't know where the summons forms where. The backup came there prolly expecting some physical altercation, and came and no one in our group did anything more physical then choosing not to leave, (except Sam, but he was already arrested).
Everyone was peaceful, in words and actions, that is how we keep the moral high ground. :)
most people I see tasered fall to the ground
I'm still fuzzy on some facts. Did anyone other than Coconut and me receive summonses? I'd heard four were issued altogether, but don't know who the other two were, if they were.
Anyhow, there'll be a few strategy meetings of the Not-So-Disorderly 5 + 2 (or maybe 3 or maybe 4) in the next several days.
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on April 13, 2009, 10:40 PM NHFT
I'm still fuzzy on some facts. Did anyone other than Coconut and me receive summonses? I'd heard four were issued altogether, but don't know who the other two were, if they were.
Anyhow, there'll be a few strategy meetings of the Not-So-Disorderly 5 + 2 (or maybe 3 or maybe 4) in the next several days.
As I understand...
Arrested and Held:
Sam
Arrested and Released with Summons:
Patrick
Tim
David
Curt
Not Arrested; Released with Summons:
Nick R.
Richard
Here's what I remember. Sam came into the courthouse ready to videotape. A group of us went upstairs. Sam began taping. Court officers told him to stop and showed him the note stuck on the wall saying not to tape. Sam said the note on the wall didn't appear to be an order signed by anyone, so he was under no obligation to follow notes stuck to the wall. The two police prosecutors come out and start to arrest Sam. Rivera grabbed the camera from Sam. BTW, they didn't appear ready for a riot, like they did the day Ridley planned his camera civ. disobedience - there were just the normal amount of cops there...there were tons the day Ridley planned his event. When they started to arrest Sam, he fell to the ground. They dragged him into the next room. We could hear him screaming in pain, "Ow that hurts!" At one point the door was opened and I saw the thugs lifting Sam, who was on his stomach on the floor with handcuffs behind his back. Kurt called them thugs and the older court security officer went off on him, saying 'who you calling a thug' and acting like he was about to knock Kurt on his butt and generally behaving very thuglike. Kurt argued with him a little. More screaming from the backroom and then Kurt's demanding to see what they're doing to his friend. Lance the court security guy lets Kurt into the back hallway and Kurt sees Sam back there, but Rivera slams the door shut so that Kurt can't see anymore. They start herding people into the courtroom for Ridley's arraignment. Some of us headed outside to be there when they took Sam out. Lauren and Jim and I stood at the back door where they usually haul people out of the building. Maybe this made them decide to take everyone (except Tim) out the front door? We heard that they were bringing Sam out the front so went out there. They were still dragging him with his hands cuffed behind the back, with him screaming in pain. People on the street were asking what was going on, so told them Sam had been videotaping. People on the street expressed disapproval with people being hurt for videotaping. Sam's dragged into the police car with much difficulty and pain and put face down on the floor, but later hauled into a sitting position. Sam finally told me he was OK when I was asking. Lauren tells cops repeatedly that they should be ashamed of themselves. Other police cars start arriving like mad. There were all the Keene police, some county and state police. Sam is driven away. In a few minutes, Kurt is brought out in handcuffs, walking. Cops are again told by Lauren they should be ashamed. People on the street are really concerned about what's going on. David's brought out, walking. Then they dragged Patrick. I have to say it was really heartwrenching the way they were manhandling the always-smiling Patrick. He was also crammed into the back seat of the cop car with much difficulty and pain. TomSawyer was admonishing them for using an unneccessarily painful way to handle these guys - amounting to torture. I don't think anyone saw Tim being brought out the back. I'm guessing he was walking. SamARobrin and Coconut told us what had happened upstairs - all the freestaters were told to leave. Those who didn't would be arrested when backup arrived. Backup arrived and blocked off the room, so no one could leave. SamARobrin and Coconut gave their info and were released with summonses. 4 guys didn't give their info and were arrested, as we saw below. The Keene Sentinel reporter and others there were not given summonses. Back outside people talked to the Sentinel reporter for a while. I went upstairs with Lauren and Jim to see if the courtroom lobby was still blocked off. They let us come in but wanted to make sure we had business there. I overheard one of the ladies who works in the court talking to the police prosecuter (not Rivera): she said he'd have to take the Keene Sentinel reporter out to dinner that night because she was doing a story on him and he was a hero now. Back outside, Jim asked the Keene Sentinel reporter if she was going out with the Keene police since she was going a story on them, but she said no. We all headed to the police station. David and Patrick were coming out the back when Ian, Dale and I arrived. Both David and Patrick expressed how what was going on in that courtroom lobby was just so absurd that they felt they couldn't comply with what was going on - but they had not gone there with the intention of being arrested. I'm sure that was true of all 4 who were arrested after Sam. Sam had apparently been planning to push the recording issue. Patrick told how he'd overheard cops complaining about the police prosecutor going too far - that they'd been called and told a violent riot was going on, but in reality it was a couple of guys standing around. Kurt and Tim were also released. We waited around to hear what had happened to Sam and were eventually told he was taken to the jail. We stopped to eat some lunch then headed out to the jail. Dale and I met up with Jeremy, Rich and Jennifer who had driven out from Manchester. A couple of us went to the door and asked about Sam, but were told that no one by that name was in the jail. Sam isn't giving his name, which is why he was held, so it'll be hard to ask about him and get any info, or send him letters. One guard who was outside having a smoke said there was a guy brought in who woudn't give his name. We hung out in the demonstration garden for a while and then back outside the jail. Two state police and one county guy showed up. They were called apparently because of Rich open carrying. The first one who showed up and did most of the questioning had been at the courthouse arrests earlier. It was all pretty laid back though. He asked if anyone else was carrying and Jeremy said yes, but refused to show ID or his concealed carry license. The guys explained they weren't required by law to do anything but tell them name and city where they live and the guy seemed to accept this info. He went inside to talk to the jail guards. The other statie just stood outside chatting with us. The county guy never said a word. First guy came back out and said Sam was in there and would probably have video arraignment in the morning. I'm guessing the court would like to be spared another freestater visit. Cops all left. Rest of the freestater crowd arrived with signs, so we protested outside the jail for a while, with prisoners banging on windows and waving from inside. We were unmolested while protesting, unlike the first time we tried it there. Then everyone left for the Keene City Hall meeting, but I went home.
It's funny how bureaucrats complain about the lack of involvement in these types of matters, yet when people get involved, those same bureaucrats call in the thugs. Maybe they only want involvement from people that agree with them.
Yeah, use the system to change the system.
The first hour of last night's Free Talk Live spends a fair amount of time talking about this. I believe Ian gave his account of the events and then I came in for a couple of segments and talked about my account. Here's a link but remember that it will only be active for a certain period of time before it gets merged into the archives and you'll need to download it by the month or something like that.
http://media.libsyn.com/media/ftl/FTL2009-04-13.mp3
From what they said, I would guess Sam's being arraigned at 8:30 in the courtroom.
They sheriff at the jail yesterday said it was going to be a video arraignment. I just heard the Porc411 and I'm not sure why they're acting surprised about that.
The Sentinel article has apparently been pulled: http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/local/free/doc49e38ebe6667c861873640.txt
And there's nothing more about it in today's section?
Anyone seeing something different?
Per Ian @ P411, Sam is not cooperating with the video arraignment, and is being held until he chooses to cooperate. Let the waiting game begin :-\
that makes sense ... to have an arraignment they want your cooperation with the process. I would guess that Sam is not impressed with the process. He is being treated so well as a guy who has not been "convicted" of anything yet.
free SamIAm
He does not like boiled eggs in jail
he does not like bread that is stale
he does not like them on a tray
he does not want to stay all day
he does not like them through a slot
he does not like them in a pot
or with white bread
or eaten in a bed
or with a spork
or in a court
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 14, 2009, 08:54 AM NHFT
that makes sense ... to have an arraignment they want your cooperation with the process. I would guess that Sam is not impressed with the process. He is being treated so well as a guy who has not been "convicted" of anything yet.
free SamIAm
He does not like boiled eggs in jail
he does not like bread that is stale
he does not like them on a tray
he does not want to stay all day
he does not like them through a slot
he does not like them in a pot
or with white bread
or eaten in a bed
or with a spork
or in a court
This is good stuff.
Quote from: shyfrog on April 14, 2009, 08:46 AM NHFT
The Sentinel article has apparently been pulled: http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/local/free/doc49e38ebe6667c861873640.txt
And there's nothing more about it in today's section?
Anyone seeing something different?
Today's paper comes out later, so we'll see what happens with that.
If nothing comes of it, I plan on showing up
at the Sentinel and raising hell.
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on April 14, 2009, 09:13 AM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on April 14, 2009, 08:46 AM NHFT
The Sentinel article has apparently been pulled: http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/local/free/doc49e38ebe6667c861873640.txt
And there's nothing more about it in today's section?
Anyone seeing something different?
Today's paper comes out later, so we'll see what happens with that.
If nothing comes of it, I plan on showing up at the Sentinel and raising hell.
I noticed this article pulled earlier. I'm hoping it's so they will post/publish the full updated one, and not that "someone" told them to not report on it.
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on April 14, 2009, 09:13 AM NHFT
If nothing comes of it, I plan on showing up at the Sentinel and raising hell.
do they have to report on it?
QuoteAnd there's nothing more about it in today's section?
Anyone seeing something different?
I've called the Keene Sentinel. The operator (Nikky) is very nice and connected me with Tiffany in New Media. At the very least, they're aware that people noticed it went "poof". It might just be a technical glitch; we shall see. :)
Upcoming headlines at 12:30 on
Sentinelsource.com
*A task force of local lawyers and officials works to keep all courts in Keene.
*Two local women out to exercise, hike all 4,000-foot mountains in N.E.
*Hubbub outside Keene District Court
Quote
Hubbub outside Keene District Court
People protest the arraignment of a man who ignored a judge's order to turn off his video camera.
Things get out of hand, and more arrests are made; Free Staters howl.
Quote from: Tiffany from Keene SentinelJust after I hung up with you, todays paper was delivered to me (for the upload of todays online stories).
On the first page it has "incident was in Keene court lobby" - Sam Dodson was arrested for not turning off a video camera.
This seems like what you were looking for. I can e-mail you the story / link as soon as I put the stories up for the day.
I should be done around 1:ish
Quote from: Josh on April 14, 2009, 10:41 AM NHFT
Quote
Hubbub outside Keene District Court
People protest the arraignment of a man who ignored a judge's order to turn off his video camera.
Things get out of hand, and more arrests are made; Free Staters howl.
Well you're negative :)
I expect a very detailed and truthful report, given the reporter was in the room with us the entire time. maybe my hopes are too high
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 14, 2009, 10:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Tiffany from Keene SentinelJust after I hung up with you, todays paper was delivered to me (for the upload of todays online stories).
On the first page it has "incident was in Keene court lobby" - Sam Dodson was arrested for not turning off a video camera.
This seems like what you were looking for. I can e-mail you the story / link as soon as I put the stories up for the day.
I should be done around 1:ish
I will be out to buy copies of this in about 15-20 minutes
Nick, the quote I posted is exactly as it is on their website. I'm not being negative, they're just being themselves :P
http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/local/free/doc49e49d05caeff317022069.txt
Quote from: Josh on April 14, 2009, 10:47 AM NHFT
Nick, the quote I posted is exactly as it is on their website. I'm not being negative, they're just being themselves :P
http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/local/free/doc49e49d05caeff317022069.txt
lol. My bad.
As a side note... Is that Jim on the front page of the website holding the "Leaf us alone" sign?
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 14, 2009, 10:52 AM NHFT
As a side note... Is that Jim on the front page of the website holding the "Leaf us alone" sign?
No. It's Richard. (Sam A Robrin)
http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/local/free/id_351706.txt
Quote from: Eli Rivera
"Basically, it brought the court process to a halt," he said.
Eli Rivera sounds like a sadist. Is that the reality of the situation? I've seen his name before, specifically with the Keene Freedom Festival prosecution but I got the impression that there was some "higher up" pressuring him to act. Even if that's true here, I can't imagine that he'd think "police force" against non-violent people would be okay unless he was a sadist.
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 14, 2009, 11:08 AM NHFT
Eli Rivera sounds like a sadist. Is that the reality of the situation? I've seen his name before, specifically with the Keene Freedom Festival prosecution but I got the impression that there was some "higher up" pressuring him to act. Even if that's true here, I can't imagine that he'd think "police force" against non-violent people would be okay unless he was a sadist.
I don't know if he's a sadist, but he was definitely clinging on to his power yesterday to the point of strongly overreacting.
- Patrick
It is the front page, headlining story, of today's Sentinel
http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/local/free/id_351706.txt
http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/local/free/id_351706.img
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 14, 2009, 11:08 AM NHFT
Eli Rivera sounds like a sadist. Is that the reality of the situation? I've seen his name before, specifically with the Keene Freedom Festival prosecution but I got the impression that there was some "higher up" pressuring him to act. Even if that's true here, I can't imagine that he'd think "police force" against non-violent people would be okay unless he was a sadist.
Elizard's demeanor was, gesture for gesture, that of the stereotypical Nazi commandant figure that I used to see in movies*, and vow with my 8-year-old passionate sincerity, "I'd never let that happen in America." Now it is--and I'm not.
____________
*PS Now read his quotes in the
Sentinel article, and add "line for line."
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 14, 2009, 01:09 AM NHFT
Here's what I remember. Sam came into the courthouse ready to videotape. A group of us went upstairs. Sam began taping. Court officers told him to stop and showed him the note stuck on the wall saying not to tape. Sam said the note on the wall didn't appear to be an order signed by anyone, so he was under no obligation to follow notes stuck to the wall. The two police prosecutors come out and start to arrest Sam. Rivera grabbed the camera from Sam. BTW, they didn't appear ready for a riot, like they did the day Ridley planned his camera civ. disobedience - there were just the normal amount of cops there...there were tons the day Ridley planned his event. When they started to arrest Sam, he fell to the ground. They dragged him into the next room. We could hear him screaming in pain, "Ow that hurts!" At one point the door was opened and I saw the thugs lifting Sam, who was on his stomach on the floor with handcuffs behind his back. Kurt called them thugs and the older court security officer went off on him, saying 'who you calling a thug' and acting like he was about to knock Kurt on his butt and generally behaving very thuglike. Kurt argued with him a little. More screaming from the backroom and then Kurt's demanding to see what they're doing to his friend. Lance the court security guy lets Kurt into the back hallway and Kurt sees Sam back there, but Rivera slams the door shut so that Kurt can't see anymore. They start herding people into the courtroom for Ridley's arraignment. Some of us headed outside to be there when they took Sam out. Lauren and Jim and I stood at the back door where they usually haul people out of the building. Maybe this made them decide to take everyone (except Tim) out the front door? We heard that they were bringing Sam out the front so went out there. They were still dragging him with his hands cuffed behind the back, with him screaming in pain. People on the street were asking what was going on, so told them Sam had been videotaping. People on the street expressed disapproval with people being hurt for videotaping. Sam's dragged into the police car with much difficulty and pain and put face down on the floor, but later hauled into a sitting position. Sam finally told me he was OK when I was asking. Lauren tells cops repeatedly that they should be ashamed of themselves. Other police cars start arriving like mad. There were all the Keene police, some county and state police. Sam is driven away. In a few minutes, Kurt is brought out in handcuffs, walking. Cops are again told by Lauren they should be ashamed. People on the street are really concerned about what's going on. David's brought out, walking. Then they dragged Patrick. I have to say it was really heartwrenching the way they were manhandling the always-smiling Patrick. He was also crammed into the back seat of the cop car with much difficulty and pain. TomSawyer was admonishing them for using an unneccessarily painful way to handle these guys - amounting to torture. I don't think anyone saw Tim being brought out the back. I'm guessing he was walking. SamARobrin and Coconut told us what had happened upstairs - all the freestaters were told to leave. Those who didn't would be arrested when backup arrived. Backup arrived and blocked off the room, so no one could leave. SamARobrin and Coconut gave their info and were released with summonses. 4 guys didn't give their info and were arrested, as we saw below. The Keene Sentinel reporter and others there were not given summonses. Back outside people talked to the Sentinel reporter for a while. I went upstairs with Lauren and Jim to see if the courtroom lobby was still blocked off. They let us come in but wanted to make sure we had business there. I overheard one of the ladies who works in the court talking to the police prosecuter (not Rivera): she said he'd have to take the Keene Sentinel reporter out to dinner that night because she was doing a story on him and he was a hero now. Back outside, Jim asked the Keene Sentinel reporter if she was going out with the Keene police since she was going a story on them, but she said no. We all headed to the police station. David and Patrick were coming out the back when Ian, Dale and I arrived. Both David and Patrick expressed how what was going on in that courtroom lobby was just so absurd that they felt they couldn't comply with what was going on - but they had not gone there with the intention of being arrested. I'm sure that was true of all 4 who were arrested after Sam. Sam had apparently been planning to push the recording issue. Patrick told how he'd overheard cops complaining about the police prosecutor going too far - that they'd been called and told a violent riot was going on, but in reality it was a couple of guys standing around. Kurt and Tim were also released. We waited around to hear what had happened to Sam and were eventually told he was taken to the jail. We stopped to eat some lunch then headed out to the jail. Dale and I met up with Jeremy, Rich and Jennifer who had driven out from Manchester. A couple of us went to the door and asked about Sam, but were told that no one by that name was in the jail. Sam isn't giving his name, which is why he was held, so it'll be hard to ask about him and get any info, or send him letters. One guard who was outside having a smoke said there was a guy brought in who woudn't give his name. We hung out in the demonstration garden for a while and then back outside the jail. Two state police and one county guy showed up. They were called apparently because of Rich open carrying. The first one who showed up and did most of the questioning had been at the courthouse arrests earlier. It was all pretty laid back though. He asked if anyone else was carrying and Jeremy said yes, but refused to show ID or his concealed carry license. The guys explained they weren't required by law to do anything but tell them name and city where they live and the guy seemed to accept this info. He went inside to talk to the jail guards. The other statie just stood outside chatting with us. The county guy never said a word. First guy came back out and said Sam was in there and would probably have video arraignment in the morning. I'm guessing the court would like to be spared another freestater visit. Cops all left. Rest of the freestater crowd arrived with signs, so we protested outside the jail for a while, with prisoners banging on windows and waving from inside. We were unmolested while protesting, unlike the first time we tried it there. Then everyone left for the Keene City Hall meeting, but I went home.
Yeah, what Kat said. Also there were a bunch of caged people pounding on the small jail windows at Westmoreland Human Cage Facility; we could make them out to be waving hands and giving us the "thumbs up"! I guess I sure am not alone in my feelings towards the signs we were carrying speaking of police abuses and such. ;)
Nice job Kat.
Additionally, I want to thank the most wonderful people I've ever been graced with the privilege of sharing space and breath on this here planet. You truly are the cream of the crop. Thank you all, everyone who came from distant places in the time others needed your support. You deserve nothing but respect and gratitude for ACTING and caring, the way you all do. It's an honor to be part of you. Thank you.
Eli, if you read this, you acted like a Fundillo Grande. :icon_pirat: I don't care for your small mind. I ain't going to hang out with you... willingly.
Quote from: Kevin Dean on April 14, 2009, 11:08 AM NHFT
Eli Rivera sounds like a sadist. Is that the reality of the situation? I've seen his name before, specifically with the Keene Freedom Festival prosecution but I got the impression that there was some "higher up" pressuring him to act. Even if that's true here, I can't imagine that he'd think "police force" against non-violent people would be okay unless he was a sadist.
He's Keene's prosecutor, isn't he? The local equivalent of a D.A.. One probably
has to be a sadist to get to that level in the system.
"Sam is in jail" planning, updates, and discussion thread here:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=799.0
If Patrick has a Facebook, he should use that photo from the Sentinel as his default photo. :icon_pirat:
The suggestion has been made.
I notice several Free Sam images as well. :)
Quote from: Coconut on April 14, 2009, 11:19 AM NHFT
It is the front page, headlining story, of today's Sentinel
http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/local/free/id_351706.txt
http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/local/free/id_351706.img
FYI, the statie and sheriff in that image are two of the three cops that visited us when we were waiting at the jail for the rest of y'all to arrive.
Quote from: shyfrog on April 14, 2009, 03:06 PM NHFT
If Patrick has a Facebook, he should use that photo from the Sentinel as his default photo. :icon_pirat:
I would, but I don't own the copyright and don't want conflict with the Sentinel.
Plus I prefer to show people happy pictures of smiling people. :)
- Patrick
P.S. Facebook Profile URL: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1194870125 (send me a friend request if you want!)
I am sure you guys caused quite a stir in that little jail. When we looked out the north side of the building, just west of the basketball court, we only saw less than one person a day on that bridge ... never right outside our windows. The word will get around the jail eventually about any free SamIAm signs.
I would guess that Sam is probably still in the cold bubble room. After a while he can graduate to east block (just above the basketball court and front door ... it is hard or impossible to see from there).
Quote from: Coconut on April 14, 2009, 10:45 AM NHFT
I will be out to buy copies of this in about 15-20 minutes
Didn't you get to see things yourself? :)
I guess the normal press is helpful ... for getting the cops story.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 14, 2009, 05:59 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on April 14, 2009, 10:45 AM NHFT
I will be out to buy copies of this in about 15-20 minutes
Didn't you get to see things yourself? :)
I guess the normal press is helpful ... for getting the cops story.
A. it's for my co-workers to see.
B. Yes I need to be informed what the media is saying
C. I want to support the Sentinel for covering this. Anika is a hero for risking her own well-being to stay with us.
Here's a link to my summons.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2udvrc9.jpg
Note that my name is incorrect.
Tomorrow night at 7PM at the Sparrow "hideout" ALL are invited, not just the 5+2, to discuss Sam and our possible course of action and how we can best support each other. I say AGAIN, ALL ARE WELCOME (maybe not the DA and that cop Rivera... oh, sorry, same person).
Coffee and Tea will be on.
PM me for directions and if you need a ride. So far we have 4 confirmed. We need all the help we can get.
Quote from: Lumpy on April 14, 2009, 07:54 PM NHFT
Tomorrow night at 7PM at the Sparrow "hideout" ALL are invited, not just the 5+2, to discuss Sam and our possible course of action and how we can best support each other. I say AGAIN, ALL ARE WELCOME (maybe not the DA and that cop Rivera... oh, sorry, same person).
Coffee and Tea will be on.
PM me for directions and if you need a ride. So far we have 4 confirmed. We need all the help we can get.
I can only attend in spirit. (working)
...breaking out the postcards for Sam.
What was the website for Barskey's mail to jail site?
http://www.mail-to-jail.com/ (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/)
free Sam I Am
Sam does not like boiled eggs in jail
he does not like bread that is stale
he does not like them on a tray
he does not want to stay
he does not like them through a slot
he does not like his cement cot
he does not like square white bread
he does not like to eat in bed
with a spork
before court
if you try an arraignment
you will get entertainment
he dreams of food that pleases
while they feed him low grade cheeses
His family sees no justice here
the force inherent is now clear
Sam does not like green eggs and ham
He does not like them ... no ma'am
Quote from: Coconut on April 14, 2009, 06:04 PM NHFT
C. I want to support the Sentinel for covering this. Anika is a hero for risking her own well-being to stay with us.
it was that bad?
was she really in any danger ... they didn't hurt you
her article seemed pretty good ... she portrayed you guys the way I expect you to act. :)
You know, I kinda feel sorry for Rivera. I wonder who hurt him so bad in his life that he has to resort to lies and distortions about things and in doing the things he does... the lengths he must go to to feel like a man and that hurting others is the way to do it. Sounds like power issues to me. Poor guy... I still don't want to hang with him. He's dangerous.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 15, 2009, 07:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on April 14, 2009, 06:04 PM NHFT
C. I want to support the Sentinel for covering this. Anika is a hero for risking her own well-being to stay with us.
was she really in any danger ... they didn't hurt you
By well-being, I don't mean I think she was going to get beaten, but:
They said "everyone in this room that doesn't leave is getting a summons" I said "hey Anika, you're going to get a summons." She said "I guess we'll see..."
She didn't end up getting one, but was willing to risk it to continue reporting.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 15, 2009, 07:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on April 14, 2009, 06:04 PM NHFT
C. I want to support the Sentinel for covering this. Anika is a hero for risking her own well-being to stay with us.
it was that bad?
was she really in any danger ... they didn't hurt you
her article seemed pretty good ... she portrayed you guys the way I expect you to act. :)
We need to apprise her of tonight's meeting, cobble together a press release in a hurry, and get it to her immediately afterwards.
Would you like moderator access to the Free Keene news release list, Sam?
Reminder: please send Sam letters in jail! It is likely that the jailers will not deliver the letters to Sam at the moment because he is not cooperating with them, is not processing, etc. But it is important for the jailers to know that Sam is not alone or forgotten - that they are being watched. Also, the jailers will either give Sam his letters later or when they release him, or they will return the letters to the original sender (mail-to-jail) and I can give them to Sam later.
Thanks for supporting Sam!
Mail-to-Jail (http://mail-to-jail.com)
NH: Jailed Free Stater screams in pain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxbWBlzE-uQ
2nd New Hampshirite arrested for attempting to videotape in court lobby.
Quote from: Coconut on April 15, 2009, 07:42 AM NHFT
She didn't end up getting one, but was willing to risk it to continue reporting.
interesting
plz digg
http://digg.com/world_news/NH_Jailed_YouTuber_screams_in_pain
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 15, 2009, 12:23 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on April 15, 2009, 07:42 AM NHFT
She didn't end up getting one, but was willing to risk it to continue reporting.
interesting
The Official Propaganda Arm of the Police State never gets reprimanded.
Hi All!
I have been a lurker on your forum for over 2 years. This episode really got me pumped and I had to join in. I guess I am jumping on the band wagon huh?
Anyway, I believe in the power of the people, and the more people the more power. IMO, This event was extremely powerful because it involved the thugs taking on a LARGE number of folks, not just a singular event like shackling up Dave Ridley or hauling off 90 pounder (soaking wet) Lauren Canario.
My hat goes off to all of you!
Let Freedom Ring,
Littlehawk
... then they fight you ...
Littlehawk, when are you moving?
Ian and others,
I am 2,500 miles west of NH and set up to be self sufficient as I am completely off grid. About ten years ago I started planning, fullfilling and executing in preparation for what we are now seeing (economy crash, fascism, SHTF, etc). I only heard about you NH folks about 2 years ago thanks to Mr. Kanning's and his website.
You folks are the initial "igniters" for freedom and I think many people from other areas can follow your leads and keep the fires burning. A peaceful blazing inferno for change is well overdo. What we need are "sister chapters" for each of the states. (ie Montana Underground, Idaho Underground etc). It could be a real barnburner!
Littlehawk
The jail lists Sam as
Dobson, Sam No Visits (1)
1 means not been classified yet.
I need to draw you guys a map of the jail and list where he might be, since you are holding signs outside sometimes.
Right now if he is in the cold bubble room he can only see when people come to the window to talk to the cops. He might hear news about what is happening and sees hubbub and guys coming and going.
If he gets classified and heads to east block (northeast corner) he will probably not be able to see anything outside, but would eventually hear about goings on.
The super looks out toward the garden. The guys from day room 211 can see out front and they move around the building often and can spread word. The women get all over the basement and spread info ... even to the bubbles.
I am sure that many guys read with interest the sentinel article and wonder who this guy is in jail. :)
maybe I need to send in a map for Sam ... if they keep him in one room to long ... he could tunnel out :)
Our Sam I Am
Sam does not like boiled eggs in jail
he does not like bread that is stale
he does not like them on a tray
he does not like them any way
he does not like them through a slot
he does not like his cement cot
he does not like square white bread
he does not like to eat in bed
with a spork
before court
if you try an arraignment
you will get entertainment
he dreams of food that pleases
while they feed him low grade cheeses
His family sees no justice here
the force inherent is now clear
you can push kool-aid and milk
but he wants none of that ilk
just "doing your job", you keep him in the cold
all because he filmed injustice, and was bold
Sam does not like green eggs and spam
He does not like them ... our Sam I Am
any other jail issues to jam in there?
I think its perfect just the way it is
Sam refuses to walk here and there
Sam will not walk anywhere :D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 16, 2009, 08:32 AM NHFT
Sam refuses to walk here and there
Sam will not walk anywhere :D
lol
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 16, 2009, 06:08 AM NHFT
I need to draw you guys a map of the jail and list where he might be, since you are holding signs outside sometimes.
Right now if he is in the cold bubble room he can only see when people come to the window to talk to the cops. He might hear news about what is happening and sees hubbub and guys coming and going.
If he gets classified and heads to east block (northeast corner) he will probably not be able to see anything outside, but would eventually hear about goings on.
The super looks out toward the garden. The guys from day room 211 can see out front and they move around the building often and can spread word. The women get all over the basement and spread info ... even to the bubbles.
I am sure that many guys read with interest the sentinel article and wonder who this guy is in jail. :)
Is that something that we can see on line?
Also, do you think they might take those articles out of the paper? I sure think they would... they are typically chicken shits.
I think it's about to happen anyway but we have mega-infrastructure established here, especially in Keene, already. Thought I didn't participate in yesterdays Tea Party events (and wish I had, but I couldn't due to other things like the court/cop/DA effing with us and such) I saw the impact and I believe we have (I have) a lot more hope about the nation overall... still, it's happening here now, not later... and we're organized.
Finally finished my article:
http://newhampshirefreepress.com/?q=node/394
Does anyone have a good photo of Sam?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 16, 2009, 09:47 AM NHFT
Does anyone have a good photo of Sam?
Quis photographet ipsos photographeres?
My latin is pretty rusty. :-\
Who photographs the photographers?
I'm sure there's a better screen capture out there if anything, if someone has the the software and can screencap an OTN vid, that should work.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 16, 2009, 09:47 AM NHFT
Does anyone have a good photo of Sam?
There is one on www.otnproductions.com. Click number 3 on his rotating photo thing.
Thank you so much, Coconut! :D I must have spent an hour looking for one yesterday!
Love your Poem Russell!! Awesome!
And now Sam can't come out and play,
all because he refuses to obey.
------
but I think you're better at this than I am Russell!
Quote from: Peacemaker on April 16, 2009, 11:11 AM NHFT
And now Sam can't come out and play,
all because he refuses to obey.
I like it! :D Well, I don't like it that he can't come out to play, but good stanza ;D
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 16, 2009, 06:52 AM NHFT
maybe I need to send in a map for Sam ... if they keep him in one room to long ... he could tunnel out :)
Well, when you bake it into a cake, make sure that shovel has a
serial number on it . . . !
Our Sam I Am
Sam does not like boiled eggs in jail
he does not like bread that is stale
he does not like them on a tray
he does not like them any way
he does not like them through a slot
he does not like his cement cot
he does not like square white bread
he does not like to eat in bed
with a spork
before court
if you try an arraignment
you will get entertainment
he dreams of food that pleases
while they feed him low grade cheeses
His family sees no justice here
the force inherent is now clear
you can push kool-aid and milk
but he wants none of that ilk
just "doing your job", you keep him in the cold
all because he filmed injustice, and was bold
Sam refuses to walk here and there
Sam will not walk anywhere
And now Sam can't come out and play,
all because he refuses to obey.
Sam does not like green eggs and spam
He does not like them ... our Sam I Am
any more?
did we find out what room Sam is in?
We are getting more hits on the newspaper, because of this activism.
Super! Thanks for covering it!
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Free-Sam-Camera.jpg)
Free Samcorder!
Free VideoSam!
Free the People!
Quote from: littlehawkFree Samcorder!
Brilliant!
Eric, I know people say this about parties all the time and you probably don't believe it. You know how they say all kinds of fun stuph happened "just after you left!" Well, guess what. Yep, Keene stuph exploded almost literally just after you left. Time to come back now. ;D
And from what I understand, the population of activists in Keene has approximately doubled since you left (not because you left!) and is still growing rapidly. If a significant reason you left was because of lack of activism/action, rethink it! :)
After these two posts, it suddenly occurred to me that, given the type of person the FSP is trying to appeal to, the best way of increasing numbers would be to announce that there isn't room for any more, and no one will be allowed to move here for a certain period of time.
:)
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on April 20, 2009, 05:26 AM NHFT
After these two posts, it suddenly occurred to me that, given the type of person the FSP is trying to appeal to, the best way of increasing numbers would be to announce that there isn't room for any more, and no one will be allowed to move here for a certain period of time.
nah, that would be dishonest.
Quote from: dalebertYep, Keene stuph exploded almost literally just after you left.
This fact has not escaped my attention. I feel torn.
Quote from: Mike BarskeyAnd from what I understand, the population of activists in Keene has approximately doubled since you left (not because you left!) and is still growing rapidly. If a significant reason you left was because of lack of activism/action, rethink it!
Geography was the primary factor guiding my decision to move.
Can you get the names of all the arresting officers to post here as well?
I think we need a complete list of all the government agents involved so we know whom to shun.
Yes, shun: that grand old pacifist tradition of ignoring, avoiding, and refusing civil discourse with those who are in need of a hissing and a shunning.
Shun them all. Post their names publicly. Every officer, court helper, jailer, every one of them who participated in placing free, honest people in jails.
Thank you.
ff
Quote from: feralfae on April 23, 2009, 09:47 AM NHFT
Can you get the names of all the arresting officers to post here as well?
I think we need a complete list of all the government agents involved so we know whom to shun.
Yes, shun: that grand old pacifist tradition of ignoring, avoiding, and refusing civil discourse with those who are in need of a hissing and a shunning.
Shun them all. Post their names publicly. Every officer, court helper, jailer, every one of them who participated in placing free, honest people in jails.
Thank you.
ff
I second that!
Quote from: feralfae on April 23, 2009, 09:47 AM NHFT
Can you get the names of all the arresting officers to post here as well?
(http://i43.tinypic.com/wv349e.jpg)
Quote from: feralfae on April 23, 2009, 09:47 AM NHFT
Can you get the names of all the arresting officers to post here as well?
I think we need a complete list of all the government agents involved so we know whom to shun.
Yes, shun: that grand old pacifist tradition of ignoring, avoiding, and refusing civil discourse with those who are in need of a hissing and a shunning.
Shun them all. Post their names publicly. Every officer, court helper, jailer, every one of them who participated in placing free, honest people in jails.
Thank you.
ff
While I support ostracism, I think I'll do the opposite and invite them out for drinks (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=785.0).
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on April 23, 2009, 12:08 PM NHFT
While I support ostracism, I think I'll do the opposite and invite them out for drinks (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=785.0).
This is an awesome idea. Not that I'd ever say we could consider them 'friends', but destroying the image they create of the people they cage should work wonders to dissolving their necessary-to-the-job 'us and them' mentality. They'll put more thought into arresting a 'nice person' (in their mind) then some 'punk anarchist'.
Quote from: Giggan on April 23, 2009, 09:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on April 23, 2009, 12:08 PM NHFT
While I support ostracism, I think I'll do the opposite and invite them out for drinks (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=785.0).
This is an awesome idea. Not that I'd ever say we could consider them 'friends', but destroying the image they create of the people they cage should work wonders to dissolving their necessary-to-the-job 'us and them' mentality. They'll put more thought into arresting a 'nice person' (in their mind) then some 'punk anarchist'.
Oh really?
If the local Rabbi invited the local Obersturmführer for a few steinkrugs do you think the Rabbi would not be loaded on the train?
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on April 23, 2009, 12:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: feralfae on April 23, 2009, 09:47 AM NHFT
Can you get the names of all the arresting officers to post here as well?
I think we need a complete list of all the government agents involved so we know whom to shun.
Yes, shun: that grand old pacifist tradition of ignoring, avoiding, and refusing civil discourse with those who are in need of a hissing and a shunning.
Shun them all. Post their names publicly. Every officer, court helper, jailer, every one of them who participated in placing free, honest people in jails.
Thank you.
ff
While I support ostracism, I think I'll do the opposite and invite them out for drinks (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=785.0).
Perhaps the two need not be mutually exclusive. Must the need to prepare for conflict shoulder aside the desire to make peace? I say thee nay!
I think Hook made a good point, but at the same time, so did Giggan. (Waffle much?) Their ability to violate people's rights hinges on their ability to dehumanize them; to maintain that "us vs. them" mentality, as Giggan put it. By showing them humanity, we begin to tear down that mentality. At the same time, however, when the moment of decision arrives between violating the rights of a person whom they cannot so easily marginalize as one of "them" and putting their pensions, their careers, and the sum total of their inculcated-from-the-cradle worldview on the line...you'd better have something other than an olive branch at your disposal. Like a whole bunch of witnesses. Preferably with cameras. And torches. And pitchforks. And a will to shun, at the least.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on April 23, 2009, 12:08 PM NHFT
While I support ostracism, I think I'll do the opposite and invite them out for drinks (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=785.0).
I'm leaning more and more toward the approach of catching flies with honey than vinegar as well. This doesn't mean kissing ass. It means being a better person than the person I am critical of for being belligerent and violent. I intend to continue to speak the truth boldly and bluntly. It means living by example and hoping that I inspire others to live their lives the same way. I get angry like everyone else, that's for damn sure, but I also know that much of the violence out there is happening due to indoctrination and ignorance. Forgive them for they know not what they do. Getting angry just makes me feel helpless and frustrated. Feeling positive, hopeful, and communicative empowers me and frankly just makes my life more pleasant. Hopefully it makes the lives of those around me a little more pleasant as well.
I'm trying to make a positive impression on my Keene neighbors every chance I get. Then maybe when they see me being shoved into the locked back seat of a squad car, instead of thinking "Good riddance. Whoever he is, he's surely a trouble-maker!", maybe they'll think to themselves, "That's Dale! I know him. He's a nice guy. Why are they treating him like that?"
Quote from: dalebert on April 24, 2009, 12:20 AM NHFT
I'm leaning more and more toward the approach of catching flies with honey than vinegar
This, however, is catching
bees . . .
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on April 24, 2009, 07:47 AM NHFT
This, however, is catching bees . . .
Well bees are even MORE useful than flies, so NYAH!! :P
Quote from: dalebert on April 24, 2009, 08:20 AM NHFT
Well bees are even MORE useful than flies, so NYAH!! :P
I just worry that this could lead to a . . . well, a
sting operation.
Quote from: hook link=topic=17822.msg295603#msg295603
Oh really?
If the local Rabbi invited the local Obersturmführer for a few steinkrugs do you think the Rabbi would not be loaded on the train?
The difference being that KPD people are not Nazis. Yes, they often act similar to nazis, but if Rivera had called his buddies to take all Keeniacs who didn't leave the lobby behind the courthouse and execute them, my money's on none of them doing it.
And I'm sure there were Nazi soldiers who decided not to kill people because of their ethnicity based on positive experiences they had with people of that ethnicity. Not killing someone isn't as newsworthy as killing them, but it certainly makes on impact on the non-killer as well as the non-killed.
I highly encourage people to follow Ian's lead on this. Being nice to the local media and PD is a good idea (especially the local media).
I agree. City council members, court staff, have Sam invite the guards from the jail.
Quote from: dalebert on April 24, 2009, 12:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on April 23, 2009, 12:08 PM NHFT
While I support ostracism, I think I'll do the opposite and invite them out for drinks (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=785.0).
I'm leaning more and more toward the approach of catching flies with honey than vinegar as well. This doesn't mean kissing ass. It means being a better person than the person I am critical of for being belligerent and violent. I intend to continue to speak the truth boldly and bluntly. It means living by example and hoping that I inspire others to live their lives the same way. I get angry like everyone else, that's for damn sure, but I also know that much of the violence out there is happening due to indoctrination and ignorance. Forgive them for they know not what they do. Getting angry just makes me feel helpless and frustrated. Feeling positive, hopeful, and communicative empowers me and frankly just makes my life more pleasant. Hopefully it makes the lives of those around me a little more pleasant as well.
I'm trying to make a positive impression on my Keene neighbors every chance I get. Then maybe when they see me being shoved into the locked back seat of a squad car, instead of thinking "Good riddance. Whoever he is, he's surely a trouble-maker!", maybe they'll think to themselves, "That's Dale! I know him. He's a nice guy. Why are they treating him like that?"
I would agree
Quote from: feralfae on April 23, 2009, 09:47 AM NHFT
I think we need a complete list of all the government agents involved so we know whom to shun.
Yes, shun: that grand old pacifist tradition of ignoring, avoiding, and refusing civil discourse with those who are in need of a hissing and a shunning.
I just read a letter by John Adams about the shunning that went on surrounding the stamp act and others
you could just look up all the people who work for the keene pd and add them to your "naughty" list
Quote from: dalebert on April 24, 2009, 12:20 AM NHFT
I'm leaning more and more toward the approach of catching flies with honey than vinegar
A couple of years ago my son had to do a science project for school. I bought some fly traps on the internet and set them up on my trampoline with various attractants such as vinegar, honey, ethyl alcohol, dead bird, dead fish, water, and human feces. The result was that we caught no files with vinegar (although if there had been Vinegar Flies around, AKA Fruit Flies, we would have caught a few), a couple of flies with honey, and the most flies of all with human feces.
TRUE STORY
Bottom line: You can catch more flies with shit than with honey.
Quote from: zackbass on April 28, 2009, 04:09 AM NHFT
Bottom line: You can catch more flies with shit than with honey.
OK, dwell on the semantics of a commonly used expression rather than the actual content and meaning of my post.
::)
if you respond to him ... maybe he is right
I try to ignore the guys trolling for negative reactions.
Quote from: dalebert on April 28, 2009, 11:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: zackbass on April 28, 2009, 04:09 AM NHFT
Bottom line: You can catch more flies with shit than with honey.
OK, dwell on the semantics of a commonly used expression rather than the actual content and meaning of my post.
::)
No, my observation is apt. The point is that it is a mistake to direct appeasement toward shitheads when the best use of your efforts is to appeal to those who resent the shitheads and will actually help you in your cause. You can't Convert the butterflies, gather ye Disaffected Flies with the stinkiest shit you can find.
This applies as well to that other old chestnut, "You can't herd cats." The truth is that you
can lead them with a can of stinky tuna.
How's that for Content and Meaning. You disagree with it, but you gotta admit I was not nitpicking semantics.
I'm not appeasing anyone. I'm getting to know my general neighbors personally, people who haven't taken any side per se. When it comes time for the "shitheads" to try and marginalize me or make me out to be some fringe nutjob, it won't be so easy for them because my neighbors will already have a more accurate impression of me from firsthand experience.
You have the right attitude for safely being a dissident... 8)
if he could just ignore the libertarian trolls and get a decent baking sheet Dale would be all set
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 29, 2009, 09:09 PM NHFT
if he could just ignore the libertarian trolls and get a decent baking sheet Dale would be all set
...still needs a muffin pan.
Quote from: Facilitator to the Icon on April 29, 2009, 09:35 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 29, 2009, 09:09 PM NHFT
if he could just ignore the libertarian trolls and get a decent baking sheet Dale would be all set
...still needs a muffin pan.
This would be perfect.
(http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/sw_bakingpan_00748_l.jpg)
Do you know the muffin man, the muffin man, the muffin man?
Quote from: Pat K on April 30, 2009, 12:55 AM NHFT
(http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/sw_bakingpan_00748_l.jpg)
On a totally unrelated sidenote, my birthday is in July. *ahem*
Quote from: Pat K on April 30, 2009, 12:55 AM NHFT
This would be perfect.
(http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/sw_bakingpan_00748_l.jpg)
$4.50 on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Marijuana--Leaf--Baking-Pan_W0QQitemZ220363127055QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting)
QuoteFlexible silicone non-stick baking pan. Makes six goodies per pan. Oven safe up to 420 Fahrenheit.
;D
Backside of postcard I'm sending.
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Postcard-Back-1.gif)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 30, 2009, 10:19 AM NHFT
Backside of postcard I'm sending.
Careful! You're going to cause Neal to have another Rush-gasm.
Quote from: dalebert on April 30, 2009, 11:32 AM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 30, 2009, 10:19 AM NHFT
Backside of postcard I'm sending.
Careful! You're going to cause Neal to have another Rush-gasm.
Too late. Just creamed my pants fantasizing about the time I went to one their shows on the 2007 Snakes and Arrows tour .
If you use Facebook, become a fan of "Free Sam Dodson" and invite all your friends - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Sam-Dodson/107370560008
240 members and growing. Its a good way to inform people who aren't aware and give them updates.
Plz Digg new vid
Photog arrest sparks bloodcurdling screams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-AtIPqewtY
A New Hampshire liberty activist's exclusive video of the infamous "right to record" arrest at Keene District Court.
Diggable at: http://digg.com/politics/Photog_arrest_sparks_bloodcurdling_screams
VDO of Richard's court event (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_ELPEvrvx0)
I'm glad the drama was low. Nice music, too.
Interesting that they won't discuss recusal on the record. The fiduciary conflict of interest seems a solid argument. Unless that's why they won't discuss it on the record...
Pretty funny...the lawyer wanting to know if the freestaters were going to do something interesting.
Cool. I guess us slaves just go up to the task master's window to get our "papers" for our next "trial" or some crap?
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison
without formulating any charge known to the law, and
particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers,
is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation
of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."
-- Sir Winston Churchill
(1874-1965) Prime Minister of England
November 21, 1943
Odd that Judge Berserk seemed to try to avoid that recusal... and we all know the SOB read the thing too and arrogantly pretended that he didn't and arrogantly acted like he could simply speak noting of it and we'd be just like the other slaves and shut up while knowing "our place in line".
I won't pay them crap when they want to "fine" me after finding me guilty of trying to discuss with my friends how best to go find out what happened to the man they apparently were beating in the other room.
Quote from: Lumpy on May 14, 2009, 11:00 PM NHFT
"... to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious..."
-- Sir Winston Churchill
(1874-1965) Prime Minister of England
November 21, 1943
To say that some men are my peers and some are not, is in the highest degree odious. Good thing we don't have that class crap in our U.S. Constitution. What it's doing in some State Constitutions is anybody's guess.
To clear up confusion, that I am partly responsible for, I had forgotten my arraignment time, it is 1:30. Several people had asked, and I wasn't able to answer properly. :blush:
Quote from: David on May 17, 2009, 07:17 PM NHFT
To clear up confusion, that I am partly responsible for, I had forgotten my arraignment time, it is 1:30. Several people had asked, and I wasn't able to answer properly. :blush:
Miracle! I have a wireless signal! My "arraignment" is at 1:30 today as well but I'm not going as I start a potential excellent job today. Aubern is going for me, on my behalf. Couldn't get a signal long enough to figure out to post it on the calendar. It will be interesting to see what they do with that. NOT showing up, by the way, for me, is a tough decision but after weighing it all out I had to decide what is most important to me and that is earning a living and the kangaroo court is secondary at best.
It will be interesting to see if they will allow an appearance on your behalf.
Yes and no. They wouldn't let Aubern speak on his behalf but did take her word on where he was,where he could be sent mail and gave her instructions on how Curt could avoid a bench warrant.
Richard's court date 27 July, 1:30
Nick's court date 27 July, 1:30
Tim's court date 27 July, 1:30
Curt's court date 27 July, 1:30
Anyone thinking of a "disorderly protest" beforehand?
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on May 18, 2009, 02:11 PM NHFT
... gave her instructions on how Curt could avoid a bench warrant.
...
Curt's court date 27 July, 1:30
What were those instructions? Was Curt's charge reduced as well?
My bet is that Richard's is also reduced, but at the time of his early arraignment, they didn't make that decision.
Kurt was supposed to file a motion for delay of his arraignment (don't know what you call it) by the end of the week and I think explain why he wasn't there (which Aubern already did).
I think you're right about Richard.
Attached is the audio from today. Hear the judge get upset about the audio recorder, and me question who is actually prosecuting the case. Also me telling the judge to "just mail the paperwork."
I can see why people find me rude and demanding... that's how I sound.
Edit: I'm not actually yelling, I'm just closer to the microphone than anyone else :)
Quote from: Coconut on May 18, 2009, 08:16 PM NHFT
Attached is the audio from today. Hear the judge get upset about the audio recorder, and me question who is actually prosecuting the case. Also me telling the judge to "just mail the paperwork."
I can see why people find me rude and demanding... that's how I sound.
Edit: I'm not actually yelling, I'm just closer to the microphone than anyone else :)
They can switch prosecutors any time they want. Unless you can claim some conflict of interest, you have no standing to challenge the person prosecuting the case. In the same fashion, the prosecutor and/or State cannot challenge the person representing you, unless there is sufficient cause such as conflict of interest or the person defending you is not accredited or recognized as a capable advocate. Notice I say 'advocate' and not 'lawyer', because you CAN have people defend you who are not members of the bar.
Good luck with your trial.
My trial is june 22 at 1:30.
Canceled, the court motioned for change of date, new date has not been set yet.
Quote from: jzacker on May 19, 2009, 10:46 AM NHFTNotice I say 'advocate' and not 'lawyer', because you CAN have people defend you who are not members of the bar.
sometimes the judge just says "no" ... and the guys with the guns in the room listen to him ;)
You sound just fine. I am hoping to get my licence restored by then so I can attend your trial. I am dead serious.
Per Porc411: Charges against Sam A Robrin dropped. No trial for him Monday.
cool ... he continues to be free to make signs and lyrics
Tim's charges were dropped too, according to Porc 411.
:) :) :)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 24, 2009, 01:02 PM NHFT
cool ... he continues to be free to make signs and lyrics
I can make signs in a jail cell--though the material might be a fingernail and a painted surface. And lyrics I can make any time--for in my soul, I am always free!
right on Champs!
Is the scheduled destruction of the Man still on at 1:30?
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 26, 2009, 10:31 PM NHFT
Is the scheduled destruction of the Man still on at 1:30?
Technically, that's what time "the Man" scheduled
our destruction.
There are some nice new signs to wave beforehand, if anyone is so inclined.
According to porc 411 from Mike Barkey
Kurt's trial continues until he gets a lawyer or out of jail or something
Nick under advisement (taken to a star chamber where no people were allowed but camera was allowed)
David found guilty refused fine, community service and will have to report to the ministry of love on Monday for a unknown number of days
Quote from: slim on July 27, 2009, 03:00 PM NHFT
David found guilty refused fine, community service and will have to report to the ministry of love on Monday for a unknown number of days
David was given the option of community service. He said no to the demands. He set his jail date of Monday August 3rd and the judge set the time of 9:00 am. Six days in jail.
The 6 days of jail is based on the 300 dollar fine, at 50 dollars a day. Thanks to all the folks that came out for Nick, Kurt, and myself. :)
Now I have to hold my breath for a letter from the court.
so do we not know what is going on with Kurt? is he turning to lawyers and such or is he just not/or can't communicate with the rest of us?
So apparently in Keene, the standard punishment for sitting in a courthouse lobby is now 6 days in jail. Maybe there should be a sign in the lobby letting people know.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 28, 2009, 08:19 AM NHFT
so do we not know what is going on with Kurt? is he turning to lawyers and such or is he just not/or can't communicate with the rest of us?
Adam Mackler is representing him. Kurt is bailed out at this point.
Quote from: Ogre on July 28, 2009, 01:39 PM NHFT
So apparently in Keene, the standard punishment for sitting in a courthouse lobby is now 6 days in jail. Maybe there should be a sign in the lobby letting people know.
there is no set punishment
thanks nick for the update
www.FreeKeene.com (http://www.freekeene.com) now has videos and links related to Monday's trials.