Londonderry is at it again.
http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065 (http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065)
Seizure of land leaves Londonderry residents fuming
By MARGARET MENGE
Union Leader Correspondent
LONDONDERRY ? At least two property owners in north Londonderry have been notified in recent months that the state has taken their land by eminent domain for the airport access road project.
Jim and Lorayne Pincence, who own 112 acres on Hall Road, said they came home one day three weeks ago to find a notice thrown up on their porch saying that all but 3 of their 112 acres were being taken for wetlands mitigation.
Al Baldasaro, a retired Marine Corps sergeant who lives at 41 Hall Road, was served notice in June.
He said he answered the door to see a Rockingham County sheriff's deputy on his doorstep holding a letter from the state Board of Tax and Land Appeals saying that almost 5 of his 6 acres had been taken.
The Pincences and the Baldasaros are among 70 property owners in north Londonderry from whom the state has been attempting to acquire land so that they can put construction of the access road out to bid.
Bob Barry, who's managing the mitigation for the Department of Transportation, said that the federal environmental impact statement for the new road required it.
Negotiations have been under way for more than year, with the state making offers of varying amounts for properties surrounding Little Cohas Marsh that add up to about 750 acres.
An impartial appraiser was hired by the state to determine the value of all parcels of land, as the law requires. The property owners must, by law, be given "just compensation." But the property owners interviewed for this article all said that the amount they were offered by the state was much less than market value.
Baldasaro said the state offered him $10,000 for 4.9 acres. He said he bought the property in 2002 for $287,000.
"My land's not for sale," he said. "But if you're gonna take it, you gotta pay fair market value."
Jim Pincence wouldn't say what the state had offered him but said, "It was a lot lower than anyone else has been offered in the area."
The state made John Goulet, of 18 Hall Road, an offer of $7,800 for 3 of his 5 acres.
"That's peanuts," said his son Mark, "For $7,800, I'd rather just keep it."
Mark said his dad hired a lawyer in the last two weeks and is looking at taking legal action.
Pincence, owner of Pincence Land Clearing, said that once they found out that the state wanted their land a couple of years ago, it put them in a tough place.
"It put a collar on us," he said. "Who would buy land they know they were gonna lose eventually?"
He said his wife, Lorayne, who holds the title on the land, just hired an attorney to look at taking legal action against the state.
Kathleen Kilroy, who lives down the road from Baldasaro and Pincence, grew up in the house where she now lives with her husband and 2-year-old son.
They have two horses in back that they ride on their 59 acres behind the house. The state wants all but 1.29 acres, which is short of the 2-acre minimum that Londonderry requires for horse owners. The state offered just $1,000 an acre.
"Now what are we supposed to do?" she said, "Get rid of the horses ? something I've been doing since I was 7 years old?"
She and her husband David have retained the services of a lawyer ever since the state first mentioned that their land could be taken by eminent domain two years ago. But she's not hopeful.
"There's no way you're gonna win this because there's millions of dollars behind this."
She said you can't even bring up the subject with her father, from whom she bought the house. He's beside himself. She said she and her husband have been sick over it ? nauseous, unable to sleep and losing hair. They're in the process of hiring their own appraiser to come out and determine the value of their land. They plan to counter the state's offer.
Much of the land that the state is taking for mitigation is wetlands. But Baldasaro and Pincence have been fighting the state on that account since last year.
They say that the land is being flooded by a dam the state was supposed to take down in April of 2004. Baldasaro said he thinks the state is doing this on purpose to devalue his property.
"New Hampshire is quietly taking people's land," he said, "They're taking 700 acres of land from people who can't afford to fight."
His attorney filed an objection at the end of August, saying that since his property is five miles from where the access road will be built, the state hasn't demonstrated why they need it for some public benefit ? the standard that has to be met to allow taking by eminent domain.
Baldasaro's case has been referred to Rockingham County Superior Court.
He and his attorney are waiting for a court date.
Remember:
Government = Theft
Quote from: KBCraig on October 20, 2005, 09:18 AM NHFT
Londonderry is at it again.
http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065 (http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065)
Seizure of land leaves Londonderry residents fuming
By MARGARET MENGE
Union Leader Correspondent
...Baldasaro said the state offered him $10,000 for 4.9 acres. He said he bought the property in 2002 for $287,000....
I thought Londonderry was one of the nicest communities in NH and land was worth $10,000 plus an acre? If that is true, it sounds like the state is trying to steal the land... That's one of the worst things I can think of. I mean, the only reason the state was even created was so that it could protect you and your land. Now, here it is, and it seems to be trying to steal land. Well, if it does the opposite of its original function, it sounds like it has outlived its usefulness.
That's just terrible! I thought NH was supposed to be the free state, at least freerer than others. If you can lose your land than I don't see the point of the other freedoms that NH may have.
You have to live someplace. There isn't a state in which you CAN'T lose your land, so that can't be a deciding factor. Look to other factors and weigh them according to your priorities.
Wait, didn't we DO that already???
Cathleen
This is absolutely disgusting! :o :o :o Land ownership is an inalienable human right. Londonderry must be stopped! :o
Let's contact these homeowners and offer our help. :)
I agree, Mike! Let's help these people. Those offers are despicable!
I passed a link to this discussion on to one of the propoerty owners.
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on October 20, 2005, 03:22 PM NHFT
This is absolutely disgusting!? ?:o :o :o? Land ownership is an inalienable human right.? Londonderry must be stopped!? ?:o
Let's contact these homeowners and offer our help.? ?:)
I thought it was the state that was taking the property?
Yes, the state.
Quote from: TN-FSP on October 20, 2005, 10:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on October 20, 2005, 09:18 AM NHFT
Londonderry is at it again.
http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065 (http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065)
Seizure of land leaves Londonderry residents fuming
By MARGARET MENGE
Union Leader Correspondent
...Baldasaro said the state offered him $10,000 for 4.9 acres. He said he bought the property in 2002 for $287,000....
I thought Londonderry was one of the nicest communities in NH and land was worth $10,000 plus an acre?? If that is true, it sounds like the state is trying to steal the land...? That's one of the worst things I can think of.? I mean, the only reason the state was even created was so that it could protect you and your land.? Now, here it is, and it seems to be trying to steal land.? Well, if it does the opposite of its original function, it sounds like it has outlived its usefulness.
Ten grand? Isn?t that a slap in the face!
Heck in Merrimack 2 acres next door to me just sold for almost $200,000.
Two words:
Carl Drega
Go NH Free! This insanity must be stopped. :o
Quote from: polyanarch on October 21, 2005, 08:36 AM NHFT
Two words:
Carl Drega
Wow! This guy is my hero! Here is a great article about him. (http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/drega1.html) And there is even a book about him (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0967025923/102-4547038-0937728?v=glance).
I was refered to this sight by a Glenn Douglas concerning the Union Leader article. Eminent domain has gone wild here in NH. The state has a mitigation project going on in Londonderry, NH and surrounding communities, where they are stealing over 700 acres for a access road to the Manchester Airport. Our land has nothing to do with the access road to the Manchester Airport. The funny thing about this is our land is considered wetland because of the NH fish and Game refuse to take their dam out after their 50 year lease expired on April of 2004. They are not building anything on our land and the airport access road is 5 miles away. I am fighting a case of legal theivery.
I sent the Fish and Game a eviction notice last year and after getting no answer, I filed it in the Derry court. I did not have the money for a lawyer and of course my case was kicked out due to not complying with a RSA. Basically, I gave them a 30 day notice to get their water of my land and I was suppose to give them a 90 day notice.
What is wrong with our government? I served 22 years Honorably in the US Marines (Desert Storm/Disable Vet), protecting our country, to come home to our Government, where they can take my property, because they feel like it. Sadam did this in Kuwait and you see what we did to him. Something is wrong here! This is legal thievery at it's best. They know that us little people do not have the funds to fight them. Well, I hope that they do not under estimate a retired US Marine. I am prepared to fight them to the end, so that this does not happen to other people who own a piece of our country. I want to thank you all for your concerns, but keep in mind, that there are many of us who own land here and are very unhappy. I just happen to be the only one who filed to protect my rights and others.
APB, you are not alone. Liberty lovers from all around the country and world will soon be coming to NH to make a stand for freedom. The activists on this board are the cream of the crop, and are always willing to help those who the state is trying to take advantage of.
If they haven't contacted you personally yet, I'm sure they will shortly.
I wish I was there to help, but for now I'm stuck in Florida.
Thank you for being strong. You are an encouragement to many who have been beaten down by this tyrannical state.
Quote from: TN-FSP on October 20, 2005, 10:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on October 20, 2005, 09:18 AM NHFT
Londonderry is at it again.
http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065 (http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065)
Seizure of land leaves Londonderry residents fuming
By MARGARET MENGE
Union Leader Correspondent
...Baldasaro said the state offered him $10,000 for 4.9 acres. He said he bought the property in 2002 for $287,000....
I thought Londonderry was one of the nicest communities in NH and land was worth $10,000 plus an acre?? If that is true, it sounds like the state is trying to steal the land...? That's one of the worst things I can think of.? I mean, the only reason the state was even created was so that it could protect you and your land.? Now, here it is, and it seems to be trying to steal land.? Well, if it does the opposite of its original function, it sounds like it has outlived its usefulness.
Land is worth $250,000 an acre in Londonderry and similar towns so THIS IS ROBBERY.
Quote from: APB on October 21, 2005, 02:21 PM NHFT
What is wrong with our government?
Actually, the question should be "What is wrong with government?".
Government is force. It attracts people who think it's okay to use force on others so long as it's for the "common good". Some people think small government is the answer. To that I say, maybe, if you can keep it small. However, no one seems to be able to do that, so let's try just getting rid of the thugs entirely.
CNHT: It would be robbery even if they "offered" market value, because there's no "meeting of the minds". You can't turn down their "offer". I don't care if they offered double market value, it's still theft. Most people put time and effort into improving their property. It's special to them. Being forced out at any price, for whatever reason, is unacceptable.
APB you might want to consider contacting the Intitute for Justice. They work specifically on government land grabs. www.IJ.org
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 21, 2005, 02:56 PM NHFT
CNHT:? It would be robbery even if they "offered" market value, because there's no "meeting of the minds".? You can't turn down their "offer".? I don't care if they offered double market value, it's still theft.? Most people put time and effort into improving their property.? It's special to them.? Being forced out at any price, for whatever reason, is unacceptable.
Yes of course. And even worse due to that.
I was going to address this subject on air last night but our only guest was wordy.
We were supposed to have the Manchester Mayoral candidate on and he never showed up.
I guess I would not recommend voting for him for those of you who live in Manchester.
If he can't even keep his word about showing up for a radio interview, I would not trust him to keep his word otherwise.
Quote from: CNHT on October 21, 2005, 03:25 PM NHFT
Yes of course. And even worse due to that.
I was going to address this subject on air last night but our only guest was wordy.
We were supposed to have the Manchester Mayoral candidate on and he never showed up.
I guess I would not recommend voting for him for those of you who live in Manchester.
If he can't even keep his word about showing up for a radio interview, I would not trust him to keep his word otherwise.
Not that I live there, but Manchester area people may be interested in knowing his name...
Communicated with NH DOT about this issue (see NH govt website for contacts). Seems the property being taken is at the bottom of a lake. Hence the low value. Duh. Looks like we only got half the story. ??? The state probably considers it a windfall for the property owners: get to have the land remain unchanged (can still go fishing), don't have to pay taxes anymore, and get a check in the mail to boot. If you're the proud owner of a piece of land at the bottom of a lake, it's probably worthle$$. :(
There is a law firm that specializes in imenent domain cases in Manchester, NH that may be of help to some:
http://www.lawyers.com/lawyers/Manchester/New%20Hampshire/Sheehan%20Phinney%20Bass%20%2B%20Green%2C%20Professional/law%20firm.html?a=0743-LDS&co=&b=A1000071075514 (http://www.lawyers.com/lawyers/Manchester/New%20Hampshire/Sheehan%20Phinney%20Bass%20%2B%20Green%2C%20Professional/law%20firm.html?a=0743-LDS&co=&b=A1000071075514)
QuoteSeems the property being taken is at the bottom of a lake. Hence the low value. Duh. Looks like we only got half the story.
APB can speak as of the details, but the land is flooded, beacuse the state is refuseing to remove a dam that was built more than 50 years ago with a 50 year lease. If the dam were removed a large portion of the "lake" would be dry.
Flodded land = Less $$$ per acre and the state is keeping it flooded. I wonder why.....?
Quote from: Hankster on October 21, 2005, 05:59 PM NHFT
did he initially buy the land while it was underwater?
What difference does that make?
From the UL article:
QuoteAl Baldasaro, a retired Marine Corps sergeant who lives at 41 Hall Road, was served notice in June.
He said he answered the door to see a Rockingham County sheriff's deputy on his doorstep holding a letter from the state Board of Tax and Land Appeals saying that almost 5 of his 6 acres had been taken.
Baldasaro said the state offered him $10,000 for 4.9 acres. He said he bought the property in 2002 for $287,000.
287,000 for 6 acres (and dwelling...?) in 2002 and the state is offering 10,000 for 4.9 acres three years later.....
Quote from: Hankster on October 21, 2005, 06:27 PM NHFT
Quotethe state is offering 10,000 for 4.9 acres three years later.....
maybe the 4.9 acres in underwater?
They are not "offering" anything. They are going to TAKE the land and give him 10,000.
If some one takes your 20,000 car against your will and give you a $100 dollar bill did he purchase the car from you???
Quote from: Hankster on October 21, 2005, 06:38 PM NHFT
QuoteThey are going to TAKE the land
is it land or water they are taking?
It's his property. Wet dry it doesn't make a difference.
Do you support that state taking private property?
Hankster, read the Union Leader article.....
You nver answered the question. Do you support the state taking private property?
Quote from: Hankster on October 21, 2005, 07:14 PM NHFT
Quote from: GT on October 21, 2005, 06:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Hankster on October 21, 2005, 06:38 PM NHFT
QuoteThey are going to TAKE the land
is it land or water they are taking?
It's his property. Wet dry it doesn't make a difference.
Do you support that state taking private property?
just trying to understand the facts...
you wrote:
"287,000 for 6 acres (and dwelling...?) in 2002 and the state is offering 10,000 for 4.9 acres three years later.....but the land is flooded...if the dam were removed a large portion of the "lake" would be dry."
what are the facts as you know it?
did he buy the 6 acres with a house for 287K in '02 and 4.9 acres were underwater because of the dam?
The dam has been there for 50 years. (Knowing this is Hankster I will still ask the question) Would you buy 6 acres if 4.9 of it was underwater?
Quote from: Hankster on October 21, 2005, 07:58 PM NHFT
QuoteThe dam has been there for 50 years. Would you buy 6 acres if 4.9 of it was underwater?
if I knew the dams lease was soon to be up and that by removal I would be gaining 4.9 acres of land that had previously been underwater? hmmm, seems like a reasonable risk to speculate.
that is why I am asking for the facts...
OK.
Some background:
Advocates ask governor to protect marsh (http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20040611/NH_005.htm)
Friday, June 11, 2004
By Chris Dornin
Staff writer
LONDONDERRY -- Gov. Craig Benson received three urgent appeals Wednesday from Londonderry citizens wanting to save Little Cohas Marsh.
A grassroots group led by Chet Ham, the town's Elder Affairs Committee chairman, sent the governor a petition with the signatures of 226 residents opposed to draining the swamp, a process scheduled to begin Tuesday.
Town Manager David Caron faxed Benson a warning of environmental consequences from the drawdown.
And Jed Callen, lawyer for Grenier Field Road resident Ken Smith, sent the chief executive a three-page plan to untie the regulatory knot surrounding the project.
Caron urged the state to prevent siltation, monitor the release of toxic sludge from the marsh floor, do something about fish and animal corpses and keep wells from going dry. He also asked the state to be fair with landowners around the marsh.
"Failure to reach negotiated agreements with the affected landowners has put them in financial limbo," Caron wrote. "They can do little with land that is under the shadow of a future taking."
Benson said he would investigate the controversy over the 225-acre wildlife sanctuary.
The state Fish and Game, Transportation and Environmental Services departments have waged a turf war over the town's prime wetlands all spring, and several federal agencies might soon get involved.
"I have complete faith these three state agencies working together will be able to address the situation in the best and most suitable way possible for the citizens of the region," Benson said.
Transportation Commissioner Carol Murray described the impasse as a "perfect storm" situation, adding, "But I think we can work through this."
A sticking point has been the lack of a steward agency to manage the marsh when it becomes environmental mitigation for the future Airport Access Road. The two-mile highway from Bedford is expected to help Londonderry develop a vacant industrial park.
"My agency doesn't have to find a steward right away," Murray said. "We're in the transportation business, but could we do it ourselves? Yeah. Long term, we really need someone who is there on a regular basis."
Fish and Game Executive Director Lee Perry said his agency has no interest in the role. Murray opposed using her budget to help Londonderry hire someone.
"Other towns have asked us to do that," she said. "We consistently say no."
Murray said the key agencies would meet soon in public session to hash things out and keep the four-lane Airport Access Road on schedule.
"We don't expect this to hold it up," she said. "It's our intent to keep the mitigation package as it is. If there were a change now, that's another (eminent domain) hearing. We'd need to involve all the federal and state resource agencies. Those steps take time."
Governor needs to get involved on airport road (http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20040616/ED_001.htm)
Wednesday, June 16, 2004
OUR VIEW
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A 225-acre marsh in Londonderry, N.H., won a temporary reprieve from plans to drain it. But state officials still have only 45 days to come up with a plan to compensate landowners along the marsh's edge.
State officials have had 50 years to implement such a plan. Will another 45 days make a difference?
New Hampshire Fish and Game's 50-year leases to flood the land at the margins of Little Cohas Marsh with a dam have expired. Now, with plans to construct an access road to Manchester Airport through the area, landowners are seeking fair market value for their property. A buildable house lot on a road in Londonderry goes for about $100,000.
The state had planned to draw down water from the marsh but advocates for the marsh as a wildlife sanctuary have objected to the plan. Last-minute negotiations with the landowners resulted in the 45-day delay.
While there are uncertainties involved -- it is unclear just how much land will become buildable after the water drawdown -- the state should have had a solution in place long ago. One reasonable solution is for the state to purchase the land from the property owners at fair market value.
It's a prime example of bureaucratic inertia -- doing nothing about a problem everyone knows is coming until a crisis develops.
The access road to Manchester Airport is needed. The property owners have a right to be able to use their land or receive fair compensation for it.
But the state no longer even has valid permits to build the access road. The Department of Transportation failed to meet the March 29 deadline to purchase the 480 acres of swamp and surrounding uplands needed under the permits as mitigation for construction of the road.
Clearly, what's needed here is for Gov. Craig Benson to step in and work out a solution that gets the road built, preserves as much marshland as possible and satisfies the property owners. It's something that should have been done years ago, but wasn't. Now would be a good time to start.
The property has about 1 foot of water on it and it is preety much flat and not a lake. I bought my land thnking that down the road my children would have an opportunity to build a house on either side of me. I am on a corner lot and have two other seperate street address's to my property.
I agree, that no one buys a piece of property with water on it, unless you like the view. I knew that the lease was going to expire and that I would have future plans for the land. Since the begginning of this mess, I have been telling the state, that my land is not for sale.
Not only are they taking my 3 acres of manmade wetlands, but they are also taking my upland. Many of the home owners are in the same position. The bottom line here is that I want their water of my land and I will do with it, as I please and not the government.
Quote from: APB on October 22, 2005, 09:38 AM NHFT
The bottom line here is that I want their water of my land and I will do with it, as I please and not the government.
You sound like our kind of people, APB! ;D
Thanks, I am trying to do the right thing. To protect the interest/future of my family and other land owners from future land robberies. I have a law firm from Manchester (Wiggins & Nourie) handling my case. I have other land owners jumping on board.
Quote from: sung on October 22, 2005, 11:32 AM NHFT
What would they do if you brough a couple of hundred yards of fill dirt in?
Hmmm that would be interesting.......
This is stealing.....$10K... that is a joke.
For a while now, they've been trying to use "planning violations" as an excuse to take this business:
Planning board vents at AAMCO operator
Business run without proper permit
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051020/REPOSITORY/510200441/1031
We should support him as well. He has a right to run his business without permission from the government.
Land is worth $250,000 an acre in Londonderry and similar towns so THIS IS ROBBERY.
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Check out this property on his town's website assessor office files. ?In '05, his property was assessed at 201,700 for the building and 97,100 for the 6 acres of land. ?(I guess the 250,000 per acre above may be a little overstated). :-[
If the house lot (1 acre) is worth approximately $95,000, then the 4.9 acres underwater must be worth $2,100. ?So, if the state pays the owner $10,000 for something worth $2,100, some may view this as a windfall to the owner. ?In Merrimack, this happened 3 years ago and was found lawful. ?This owner may not want his land seized, but the issue doesn't seem to be one of fair compensation. ???
When the arguement becomes financially motivated then it's simply a battle of assessors. ?While sympathetic, this is a case that's flawed to use as a flagship. ?There must be a lot of better examples to use re: inappropriate land seizure by state government. :-\
If he doesn't want to sell his land he should not be forced. The airport access road is miles away from his property.
Why does the state need to seize hundreds of acres of land???
Quote from: GT on October 22, 2005, 09:31 PM NHFT
If he doesn't want to sell his land he should not be forced. The airport access road is miles away from his property.
Totally agree!!!!
I am sick and tired of Gov dictates. >:D
Shorty wouldn't like it either.
Quote from: GT on October 22, 2005, 09:31 PM NHFT
Why does the state need to seize hundreds of acres of land???
Because they can. And they will continue to do so until we put a stop to it.
Keep in mind, that the value figures are at 85 -90% of the assesed values from the town. I beleive that the state requires all city and towns to be at 100% by, I think 2006. 1 acre of developable land sold for $170.000 a few months ago here in Londonderry. We have a open space program here, were the town bought up properties to slow down growth.
They state says that my land can not be developed. Tell that to the residents in East Cambridge Mass, where I grew up. All those buildings by the Gallery mall were filled in years ago and built on marsh land. They are selling for millions.
Are far as filling my land with dirt, I would have to pull a fill and dredge permit. I can not touch the land, since it has already be taken and I am taken the battle to court. My land is a manmade wetland, which the state knows that if the dam is taken out; than, they will be proved wrong. I had my property appraised within the last 2 months at $4000.000. I am waiting for my lawyer to have a company come out and appraise it as buildable land. I have sewarge and water lines available if I want to hook up.
I am a proud AMERICAN and I beleive that it will be a cold day in hell before I let them just take it without a fight.
Quote from: GT on October 22, 2005, 09:31 PM NHFT
If he doesn't want to sell his land he should not be forced. The airport access road is miles away from his property.
Why does the state need to seize hundreds of acres of land???
Cause the Federal Government said so.
Quote from: KBCraig on October 20, 2005, 09:18 AM NHFT
Bob Barry, who's managing the mitigation for the Department of Transportation, said that the federal environmental impact statement for the new road required it.
750 acres of mitigation land for how much road acreage?
And the land was leased for 50 years; the lease is expired.
>:( >:( >:(
Quote from: GT on October 22, 2005, 09:31 PM NHFT
If he doesn't want to sell his land he should not be forced. The airport access road is miles away from his property.
Why does the state need to seize hundreds of acres of land???
Is there any sort of public protest being set up?
Another article I found
"That acreage [800 acres] will compensate for the 12 acres of environmental damage the road causes."
http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20041222/NH_005.htm (http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20041222/NH_005.htm)
Wednesday, December 22, 2004
Highway still lacks permit
By Chris Dornin
Staff writer
LONDONDERRY -- Approval last week of the corridor for a Manchester Airport access road gives the state Department of Transportation ammunition in its effort to regain an environmental permit for the project. No groundbreaking can start without that document.
A corridor selection committee of three executive councilors agreed the road will start at the Everett Turnpike in Bedford, continue east across the Merrimack River and Brown Avenue, and pass through Londonderry into the airport from the south. The committee also ratified its 800-acre land protection package, with most of the property in Londonderry.
Before construction can start, the Department of Environmental Services must agree to a stewardship plan for Little Cohas Marsh and other conservation land the state has pledged to protect by eminent domain or land-use easements. That acreage will compensate for the 12 acres of environmental damage the road causes.
"This decision (on the corridor and mitigation package) should make it easier to get our environmental permit amended," said Robert Barry, director of the Bureau of Municipal Highways. "The new one should be just about identical to the old permit. It's essentially the same mitigation area."
Barry's department lost its environmental permit in April. His agency failed to buy up all the land around Little Cohas Marsh before the Fish and Game Department lost its legal right to maintain a dam at the north end. Meeting that deadline was one of the permit conditions.
Londonderry Budget Committee member Jim Finch has long advocated developing the north end of town in an environmentally responsible way. Town leaders are planning a major industrial and office park on 1,300 acres now vacant or sparsely developed. Finch attended the recent vote of the three executive councilors.
"This will conserve some important open space in town," Finch said. "And when that road comes in, it means good access for our industrial area around Manchester Airport. That's the No. 1 benefit. It's been a long, painful approval process."
It may not be over. Bob Norman of the Sierra Club said the environmental threat to those 1,300 acres has gone from bad to worse and that the state should look at other routes for the road.
Executive Councilor Peter Spaulding has said the state should have planned an airport access road starting from Exit 5 on Interstate 93 and cutting across north Londonderry. Now, Spaulding said he's sick of delays. He has threatened to remove his support for the project unless construction begins within a year.
Transportation Commissioner Carol Murray has promised her department will manage the wildlife habitat, at least until it finds a better private or governmental group to do the job.
Executive Councilor David Wheeler vowed last spring to veto the project unless the state allowed hunting on the land it buys. It accommodated him.
"Anything we buy outright is going to allow hunting in accordance with state law," Wheeler said. "I want everyone to use state land, not just hikers and lookers."
Londonderry Town Meeting - May 17, 2004.
PDF Document - http://www.londonderrynh.org/051704.pdf (http://www.londonderrynh.org/051704.pdf)
Drawdown of Little Cohas:
State Fish and Game Department Chief of the Access and Engineering Division Chuck Miner introduced Regional Wildlife Biologist Eric Orff, and Department of Environmental Services Chief of the Games Bureau James Gallagher.
Mr. Miner stated that the purpose of the meeting is to brief the Council and members of the audience on a drawdown planned for the Little Cohas Marsh. He stated that the drawdown is the removal of water to the level that exists naturally without a dam. RSA 482:13 requires that the governing body of a municipality be notified 30 days in advance of a drawdown of any water body, and that subsequently, a public informational hearing be held 15 days after that notice. He reported that the Fish and Game established the Little Cohas Marsh in 1954 as a waterfowl management area. As with most of the water bodies held by the Department as waterfowl marshes, the Fish and Game Department does not own the land under the marsh. A lease was established with an original 25 years and a subsequent lease that established another 25 years; which has now expired.
When the NH Department of Transportation began their mitigation project for the Airport Access Road, theyhad planned on acquiring some of the property in the area, which was supposed to have taken place prior to the expiration of the leases, but has not. The F & G, therefore, no longer has the right to flood the marsh, and one of the landowners has indeed requested that the Department lower the water level to its natural level.
Conservation Commission member Mike Speltz questioned whether there has been any action to negotiate a lease to bridge the gap. Mr. Miner replied that the DOT has been approached and have decided against that. Fish and Game does not have the resources available to negotiate the leases. The project is a mitigation project under the auspices of the NH Department of Transportation. Mr. Miner noted that originally there were about 11-15 leases, but as the result of sub-divisions, etc., the NH Department of Transportation will be working with 30-plus landowners. He added that the wetlands permit issued stipulated that the property will be acquired prior to the expiration of leases; however, the Fish and Game Department was unaware that the properties would not be acquired until shortly before the leases expired.
Councilor Dolan questioned why the properties weren?t acquired before the lease expiration dates. Mr. Minor replied that the Department of Transportation could better answer that question. He added that Mr. Caron has spoken with Bob Barry to some extent about this.
Councilor Dolan, noting that there has been extensive development in that area, questioned the impact anticipated to the wells of these homes. He questioned why a drawdown would be completed before any analysis was done as to any impacts to the area. Mr. Miner stated that the advice of the Attorney General?s office is that the landowner?s request is valid since the Department no longer has the right to the property.
NH DOT Rep. Jim Gallagher offered that there could be an effect upon all landowners with a drawdown of any of New Hampshire?s ponds and lakes to the extent that the impact would be upon a shallow, or dug, well
Chairman Bove asked Mr. Miner if the Fish and Game Department would be taking any further action on this. Mr. Miner replied that the Department has already met with the NH Department of Transportation (NH DOT) and it is understood that their Department would proceed with permanently acquiring the rights to land. Once the rights are acquired, the NH DOT could put the boards back on the dam and reflood the area to continue with the mitigation project.
Discussion ensued which included the possibility of the land being developed for home lots; the liability to the Town for impact to wells, the Conservation Commission?s position on the lands, and the impact to wildlife and recreation in the area with a drawdown. Mr. Miner stated that he would speak with State legal counsel to determine liability of the Department with regard to impact to wells. Mr. Caron pointed out that the Town Council is only serving as a conduit for public information and has no legal involvement in this effort. He stated that the issue is between the private landowners and the State agencies.
Councilor Dolan requested that the Town Manager consider an injunction by the Town against the State to stop the drawdown process and to first conduct an impact study. Chairman Bove suggested that the landowners get a petition going with the other landowners to prevent or delay the drawdown.
Several landowners spoke regarding the value and fair market price of their land, possible eminient domain takings, future use of their land if the drawdown proceeds, the fact that some landowner?s deeds did not reflect a lease with the State, and a past Town Meeting article and vote making the property a conservation area. Mr. Miner noted that the planned drawdown date is June 15, but at the request of a landowner, the Department may be compelled to complete it sooner. The State attorney has advised the Department that since the lease has expired, the Department no longer has the right to use the property. Mr. Speltz, noting the earlier mention by Mr. Miner of a shortage of personnel and funds, suggested that the Town assist in the work with the landowners to get the rights for a period of 12-18 months to save this marsh in the short term. Mr. Miner stated that he would take this recommendation back to his Department Head.
Chairman Bove stated that the Council?s next meeting is May 24, and suggested that this issue be once again addressed when members of the NH Department of Transportation and Department of Environmental Services and the Town?s Representatives could also be in attendance.
Councilor Dolan stated that he would like a response from the NH Department of Transportation that if they are planning land acquisitions, what the schedule of those acquisitions would be in the future. Councilor Farmer requested a list of the landowners around the marsh area. Mr. Miner stated that he would forward that to Mr. Caron.
Planning/Economic Development Director Andre Garron stated that he attended a mitigation meeting held by the NH DOT in April and had a possible explanation as to why the process was taking so long. He stated that the Department had to notify all abutters, and in the first round, they were not all properly notified; therefore, the Department could not take the land by eminent domain. Now that all abutters have been notified and the Department has conducted a public hearing to take input and concerns from those affected by the project, the NH DOT must first answer all those questions and concerns before moving forward. He noted that the maps presented have changed, adding new areas, and will therefore require another hearing.
Ken Smith noted that his father, Fred Smith, born on January 28, 1997 served as Chief of Police for 33 years. He read from the lease document signed some 50 years ago, where the lease ?grants said Lessee to enter, build, maintain and control the water control structure to a height of five feet above the present stream bed. Said height being four and one half feet below the base of the railroad rail at Station 25-21 Boston and Maine Railroad, Manchester and Lawrence Branch, and said height also being approximately the same elevation as the present beaver dam at the outlet of the Little Cohas Marsh. Said water control structure to be located at site of said beaver dam and old stone dam adjacent to said Station 25-21.? He noted that this indicates that this is not the first dam at this location.
Chairman Bove stated that the issue will not be resolved this evening, and that everyone is invited back to the next Council meeting at which time this issue will once again be addressed. He thanked everyone for their input and participation.
Quote from: eukreign on October 20, 2005, 01:28 PM NHFT
That's just terrible! I thought NH was supposed to be the free state, at least freerer than others. If you can lose your land than I don't see the point of the other freedoms that NH may have.
They all do it.
Quote from: KBCraig on October 20, 2005, 09:18 AM NHFTLONDONDERRY — At least two property owners in north Londonderry have been notified in recent months that the state has taken their land by eminent domain for the airport access road project.
Ah good .... eminent domain the old fashioned way ... for public projects.
They should save their money on lawyers and just tell the city to get lost.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2005, 03:15 PM NHFT
APB you might want to consider contacting the Intitute for Justice. They work specifically on government land grabs. www.IJ.org
They couldn't win the case for the Kelo 7. The government is too evil. You cannot work within their system.
Quote from: russellkanning on October 23, 2005, 12:01 PM NHFT
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2005, 03:15 PM NHFT
APB you might want to consider contacting the Intitute for Justice. They work specifically on government land grabs. www.IJ.org
They couldn't win the case for the Kelo 7. The government is too evil. You cannot work within their system.
Exactly.
Quote from: freedominnh on October 23, 2005, 01:59 PM NHFT
Time to call for the resignation of at least three Executive Councilors.? Besides Spaulding, who are the other two?
Is this landowner (APB) willing to lead the charge/campaign to call for the resignation of the 3 exec councilors at the state?
Just in case anyone was wondering what piece of land we're talking about:
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=42.9112&lon=-71.4106&datum=nad83 (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=42.9112&lon=-71.4106&datum=nad83)
APB wasn't kidding when he said it's only about 2' deep. The intermediate contour lines are at 10' intervals.
Kevin
Quote from: EZPass on October 23, 2005, 06:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: freedominnh on October 23, 2005, 01:59 PM NHFT
Time to call for the resignation of at least three Executive Councilors.? Besides Spaulding, who are the other two?
Is this landowner (APB) willing to lead the charge/campaign to call for the resignation of the 3 exec councilors at the state?
I beleive that all 3 Executive Councilors are a desgrace to NH for authorizing the stealing of our property. For some reason or another, they used chinese math to come up with the formula which steals 770 acres to replace 11 acres for the airport.access road.
So, in other words; I would lead the charge with no retreat!
Gloria and I took a drive through there Sunday along Hall Rd. Can't get to the dam itself from what I could find. Delta Dr., Aviation Park Dr, all private property and no through road (lying New Hampshire road atlas!!!)
Got some pictures of the marsh along Hall Rd. Sorry, not digital; have to wait for me to get them developed. I guess the folks at the south end of the marsh are the property owners? Nottingham Ct/Buckihgham Dr? Does the marsh go all the way to Litchfield Rd.?
Quote from: freedominnh on October 24, 2005, 08:33 AM NHFT
Did the former Mayor of Manchester back that plan.? If he didn't he may be the one ally on the Executive Council.
The Chairman of the Special Committee appointed by the Governor and the Executive Council are: Appointed Chairman, Councilor Wieczorek, Councilor Wheeler was late and Councilor Spaulding did not even show up for the Bedford-Manchester-Londonderry-Merrimack #11512 - 4/8/04 mitigation hearing, which was held at Highlander Conference Center (Manchester). All 3 voted yes and did not care about all the land owners complaints.
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on October 23, 2005, 06:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on October 23, 2005, 12:01 PM NHFT
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2005, 03:15 PM NHFT
APB you might want to consider contacting the Intitute for Justice. They work specifically on government land grabs. www.IJ.org
They couldn't win the case for the Kelo 7. The government is too evil. You cannot work within their system.
Exactly.
You hiy=t it right onn the money. The Londonderry Town Council, tonight voted to hold a special election to replace State Rep Paul Smith from Auburn, who resign and moved to another location. Maybe I will run for that seat and fight them from the inside to get rid of this taking of private property and protect all of NH property rights. HMMM
Quote from: APB on October 24, 2005, 10:42 PM NHFT
Maybe I will run for that seat and fight them from the inside to get rid of this taking of private property and protect all of NH property rights. HMMM
You are a true American patriot!
Best of luck to you APB!
I think everyone here supports you 100%.
Quote from: eukreign on October 24, 2005, 10:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: APB on October 24, 2005, 10:42 PM NHFT
Maybe I will run for that seat and fight them from the inside to get rid of this taking of private property and protect all of NH property rights.? HMMM
You are a true American patriot!
Best of luck to you APB!
I think everyone here supports you 100%.
I second KB's feelings. 8)
Quote from: AlanM on October 24, 2005, 11:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: eukreign on October 24, 2005, 10:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: APB on October 24, 2005, 10:42 PM NHFT
Maybe I will run for that seat and fight them from the inside to get rid of this taking of private property and protect all of NH property rights. HMMM
You are a true American patriot!
Best of luck to you APB!
I think everyone here supports you 100%.
I second KB's feelings. 8)
I've got feelings?
???
:D
Quote from: APB on October 24, 2005, 10:42 PM NHFT
You hiy=t it right onn the money.? The Londonderry Town Council, tonight voted to hold a special election to replace State Rep Paul Smith from Auburn, who resign and moved to another location.? Maybe I will run for that seat and fight them from the inside to get rid of this taking of private property and protect all of NH property rights.? HMMM
Run!!!!!!!!
Here is a copy of the e-mail that I sent to all NH Senators for action.
Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:01 PM
To: senclegg@aol.com
Cc: john.gallus@leg.state.nh.us;carljean@worldpath.net;joseph.kenney@leg.state.nh.us; robert.boyce@leg.state.nh.us;peter.burling@leg.state.nh.us;robert.flanders@leg.state.nh.us; rpojr@aol.com;thomas.eaton@leg.state.nh.us;david.gottesman@leg.state.nh.us;joseph.foster@leg.state.nh.us;sylvia.larsen@leg.state.nh.us;Ted.Gatsas@leg.state.nh.us;jack.barnes@leg.state.nh.us;andre.martel@leg.state.nh.us;dalas@leg.state.nh.us;iris.estabrook@leg.state.nh.us; maggie.hassan@leg.state.nh.us;martha.fullerclark@leg.state.nh.us;richard.green@leg.state.nh.us;elliot.schultz@leg.state.nh.us;robert.letourneau@leg.state.nh.us;charles.morse@leg.state.nh.us
Subject: EMINENT DOMAIN HAS GONE WILD IN NEW HAMPSHIRE
Dear Elected Officials,
Eminent domain has gone wild here in NH. The Department of Transportation has had a mitigation project going on in Londonderry, NH and surrounding communities since 1997. What it looks like, that allot of people knew nothing about or don't want to know about. Recently, they have been quietly stealing over 700 acres for a airport access road. The sad thing about this land heist is that our land has nothing to do with the access road to the Manchester Airport. The funny thing about this is our land is wet because of the NH fish and Game refuse to take their dam out after their lease expired April of 2004. WHETHER THE LAND IS WET OR DRY, WE OWN IT. So the DOT offers us a appraisal on manmade wetland, which they say has no value. It is their dam that is keeping it wet! They are not building anything on our land and the airport access road is 5 miles away. This has no financial gain to the state. As a matter of fact, the state does not pay tax's to the towns and all the towns involved in this mitigation will lose property tax dollars if this goes threw.
What is wrong with our State? I served 22 years Honorably in the US Marines (Desert Storm VET / Disable VET), protecting our country, to come home to our Government, where they can take my property or any other NH resident because the DOT say's it's the right thing to do. Hello! Are the tax payers of NH that stupid? This is a sad day in NH, if our Elected Officials do nothing about this LEGAL THIEVERY.
Sadam did this in Kuwait and you see what we did. I was there and I have the memories of the Kuwaiti people, their happy faces in my brain after we gave them their land back and their FREEDOM. Something is wrong here in our Live Free or Die State! We are suppose to be leading the nation in setting the example on Living Free. This is legal thievery at it's best! They know that us little people do not have the funds to fight them. I have no choice but to fight this in court, since everyone else has turned their back on us. Especially the Executive Council or should I say the Chairman of the Special Committee appointed by the Governor and the Executive Council who are: Appointed Chairman, Councilor Wieczorek, Councilor Wheeler was late and Councilor Spaulding did not even show up for the Bedford-Manchester-Londonderry-Merrimack #11512 - 4/8/04 mitigation hearing, which was held at Highlander Conference Center (Manchester). All 3 voted yes and did not care about all the land owners complaints. Many landowners are unhappy about this decision and are prepared to fight this to the end.
Keep in mind that the DOT has forced me to acquire a law firm in Manchester to fight this; where in turn, this takes food of my and many other residents table who believe in the American Dream. Something needs to be done to protect all residents of NH.
Please review the below article which was in the Union Leader on 10/20/05. This is the most ridiculous thing that could happen to a land owner. http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62065
I am a big supporter of our state motto, "LIVE FREE OR DIE"! If you have any question or concerns about this Legal Thievery, please do not hesitate to call me at home (603)XXX-XXXX or my cell (603) XXX-XXXX).
NOTE: PLEASE PROTECT LAND OWNERS RIGHTS!
Thank You,
AL Baldasaro
41 Hall Road
Londonderry, NH 03053
Great Letter.
Al can we post your letter on other forums to get the word out?
Quote from: Dreepa on October 25, 2005, 02:30 PM NHFT
Great Letter.
Al can we post your letter on other forums to get the word out?
YES, you can.
Great letter!
I put it up on the Keene Free Press. Let me know if there's any problems with that.
http://porcupinepartners.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Keene+Free+Press
Quote from: katdillon on October 25, 2005, 02:52 PM NHFT
I put it up on the Keene Free Press.? Let me know if there's any problems with that.
http://porcupinepartners.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Keene+Free+Press
As I said, I have no problem with it being posted. Also per your comment on your web site (Lightly edited for grammar.) I have no problem. As a matter of fact, did I ever tell you that my writing skills are not the best? I just tell it like it is!
:)
Quote from: freedominnh on October 25, 2005, 04:12 PM NHFT
Great letter!? Might as well cc to Gov & AG.
I had already forwarded the e-mail to the Gov, but I did not have the AG e-mail
You also might want to cc some of these people:
http://webster.state.nh.us/dot/contactus.htm
Maybe you should also email the press. PS anyone have any TNT for that damn dam.
Quote from: Eli on October 25, 2005, 09:19 PM NHFT
PS anyone have any TNT for that damn dam.
That reminds me of the true story about Michigan demanding the "dam beavers" stop their illegal activity:
http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.htm (http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.htm)
And, it still continues:
http://www.getipm.com/personal/dam3.htm (http://www.getipm.com/personal/dam3.htm)
Quote from: KBCraig on October 25, 2005, 01:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: AlanM on October 24, 2005, 11:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: eukreign on October 24, 2005, 10:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: APB on October 24, 2005, 10:42 PM NHFT
Maybe I will run for that seat and fight them from the inside to get rid of this taking of private property and protect all of NH property rights.? HMMM
You are a true American patriot!
Best of luck to you APB!
I think everyone here supports you 100%.
I second KB's feelings.? 8)
I've got feelings?
???
:D
Feelings, thoughts, statements, whatever. ;D Feelings, nothing more than feelings...
Hey, I'm old. ???
I heard He's lost that loving feeling, He's lost that loving feeling ... it's gone gone gone............
Eminent Domain in NH......How do we stop it???
Quote from: GT on October 26, 2005, 04:13 AM NHFT
Eminent Domain in NH......How do we stop it???
I think that APB has the rigth idea by sending a letter.
Can he get all the homeowners together?
Maybe have a rally?
Then everyone should blast letters to the senators and reps and demand action.
Has anyone contacted the NHLA?
good ideas :)
I wish I was in NH already, I'd love to go to a rally against eminent domain!
Quote from: The Baron on October 26, 2005, 10:37 AM NHFT
You could always visit for a few weeks...
My wife wouldn't let me go alone cus she wants to go too and at the moment we can't really afford to go (transportation, hotel and boarding our two dogs would be killer). Once we talk to a realtor and find some property for us to look at we will fly down for a few days to look around. By then we will also have a newborn to take with us, it's going to be an adventure...
Quote from: Eli on October 25, 2005, 09:19 PM NHFT
Maybe you should also email the press.? PS anyone have any TNT for that damn dam.
okay, I sent letters to all of my reps that handle Londonderry, Derry News, Londonderry Times and the Union Leader. Every NH Senator has one, along with the Governor. Someone out there hopefully will care for home owners having some rights on this legal theivery called Eminent Domain.
APB, what do you think about a rally in support of the homeowners?
Quote from: katdillon on October 26, 2005, 07:22 PM NHFT
APB, what do you think about a rally in support of the homeowners?
I believe that many of our land owners would support a rally. Whether I win or lose; somewhere, some how, this has to stop.
Quote from: APB on October 26, 2005, 06:54 PM NHFT
Quote from: Eli on October 25, 2005, 09:19 PM NHFT
Maybe you should also email the press.? PS anyone have any TNT for that damn dam.
okay, I sent letters to all of my reps that handle Londonderry, Derry News, Londonderry Times and the Union Leader. Every NH Senator has one, along with the Governor. Someone out there hopefully will care for home owners having some rights on this legal theivery called Eminent Domain.
Sent an email off to my 3 reps and my state senator (who I just met on Monday night).
Quote from: APB on October 26, 2005, 07:27 PM NHFT
I believe that many of our land owners would support a rally. Whether I win or lose; somewhere, some how, this has to stop.
It has stopped in New London with the 7 people who wouldn't move. You can also stop it in your town.
I would guess it would take a tsunami to get dog out of Hampton Beach. :)
Quote from: APB on October 25, 2005, 05:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: freedominnh on October 25, 2005, 04:12 PM NHFT
Great letter!? Might as well cc to Gov & AG.
I had already forwarded the e-mail to the Gov, but I did not have the AG e-mail
I have the phone number for the AG's office if you need that. ;D Oh wait, that's the criminal bureau investigator's phone number. Nevermind.
But here's the NH DOJ's contact info. Just mail it to them.
33 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
Telephone (603) 271-3658
Fax (603) 271-2110
TDD Access: Relay NH 1-800-735-2964
Normal business hours are 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday through Friday
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on October 27, 2005, 02:11 PM NHFT
Quote from: APB on October 25, 2005, 05:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: freedominnh on October 25, 2005, 04:12 PM NHFT
Great letter! Might as well cc to Gov & AG.
I had already forwarded the e-mail to the Gov, but I did not have the AG e-mail
I have the phone number for the AG's office if you need that. ;D Oh wait, that's the criminal bureau investigator's phone number. Nevermind.
But here's the NH DOJ's contact info. Just mail it to them.
33 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
Telephone (603) 271-3658
Fax (603) 271-2110
TDD Access: Relay NH 1-800-735-2964
Normal business hours are 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday through Friday
Yeah their website has no email address.
Quote from: Dreepa on October 27, 2005, 02:42 PM NHFT
Yeah their website has no email address.
email is too complicated for some people, especially those who can't get a real job and end up working for the government ;-)
::)
try this:
kelly.ayotte@doj.nh.gov
Nice work around!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: president on October 27, 2005, 03:05 PM NHFT
::)
try this:
kelly.ayotte@doj.nh.gov
THANKS FOR THE INFO! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. ;D
Will the rally be at APB's house? Also, will we be handing out literature to run the executive councilors out of office that support ED policies? Anyone know which ones are the most egregious offenders? Does APB know?
Quote from: EZPass on October 28, 2005, 08:21 AM NHFT
Will the rally be at APB's house?? Also, will we be handing out literature to run the executive councilors out of office that support ED policies?? Anyone know which ones are the most egregious offenders?? Does APB know?
The Department of Transportation, the Fish and game along with the Attorney General's office. Also the 3 from the Executive commitee. When are yo planning the rally?
Editorials - October 28, 2005
Just compensation:
Does New Hampshire give it?
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=62391
APB-- you should write a letter to the UL and state that you don't want to sell your property at all.
Tell them about the damn lease that was expired.
Good Afternoon,
12:15 PM, Friday.
I just threw off the Gove representative (company who wrote the report, saying my land is undevolepable) of my land and took off his pink ribbons that he was tying to my trees. I told him next time they come on my land; that, they talk with my lawyer first. I also Told him that I am not liable for my actions, if you trespass's again. I even apologized to the guy, saying that, I know your doing your job but stay off of my land.
I assume you have no trespassing signs up....
Quote from: APB on October 28, 2005, 12:16 PM NHFT
Good Afternoon,
12:15 PM, Friday.
I just threw off the Gove representative (company who wrote the report, saying my land is undevolepable) of my land and took off his pink ribbons that he was tying to my trees. I told him next time they come on my land; that, they talk with my lawyer first. I also Told him that I am not liable for my actions, if you trespass's again. I even apologized to the guy, saying that, I know your doing your job but stay off of my land.
You should also get your neighbors to pull out of the the stakes etc.
What are the names of the 3 executive councilors?
You can get no tresspassing signs at most hardware store. To be legit in NH they must have the Landowners name and address listed on the signs. Benson's Hardware has some yellow signs with the name and address lines already on them.
Why are they trying to mark the property???
Lets make no mistake about it, when DOT and DES agreed upon the number of acres to be in the mitigation plan, they were required that the lands be taken prior to the lease agreements running out on the properties.? Once DOT missed the deadline then it became a real problem.? You see DOT had a budget for the mitigation plan assuming that the lands would be valued as undevelopable wetlands and thus valued at a bargain basement price.? I have an intimate knowledge of this project and can answer questions involving any aspect of the mitigation plan. It is very complex and I do not know where to start? Any takers?
Quote from: EZPass on October 28, 2005, 04:44 PM NHFT
What are the names of the 3 executive councilors?
Special Committee appointed by the Governor and the Executive Council who are: Chairman, Councilor Wieczorek, Councilor Wheeler and Councilor Spaulding
Quote from: GT on October 28, 2005, 05:31 PM NHFT
You can get no tresspassing signs at most hardware store. To be legit in NH they must have the Landowners name and address listed on the signs. Benson's Hardware has some yellow signs with the name and address lines already on them.
Why are they trying to mark the property???
They are marking all the property lines with the pink tape, which inturn identifies wetland. They forgot that my land is manmade wetlands,
Quote from: LAT on October 28, 2005, 08:17 PM NHFT
Lets make no mistake about it, when DOT and DES agreed upon the number of acres to be in the mitigation plan, they were required that the lands be taken prior to the lease agreements running out on the properties.? Once DOT missed the deadline then it became a real problem.? You see DOT had a budget for the mitigation plan assuming that the lands would be valued as undevelopable wetlands and thus valued at a bargain basement price.? I have an intimate knowledge of this project and can answer questions involving any aspect of the mitigation plan.? It is very complex and I do not know where to start?? Any takers?
I am definatly interested along with the reporter from the Union Leader, Margarate Menge who wrot the article on page 1 of ED topic.
Quote from: LAT on October 28, 2005, 08:17 PM NHFT
Lets make no mistake about it, when DOT and DES agreed upon the number of acres to be in the mitigation plan, they were required that the lands be taken prior to the lease agreements running out on the properties.? Once DOT missed the deadline then it became a real problem.? You see DOT had a budget for the mitigation plan assuming that the lands would be valued as undevelopable wetlands and thus valued at a bargain basement price.? I have an intimate knowledge of this project and can answer questions involving any aspect of the mitigation plan.? It is very complex and I do not know where to start?? Any takers?
Spill it. ALL of it! ;)
Giving new meaning to the term "pulling up stakes". ;)
Quote from: russellkanning on October 30, 2005, 01:07 AM NHFT
Giving new meaning to the term "pulling up stakes". ;)
I lnow lots of you will disagree and I do to since I still beleive it's the Landowners property, but in NH there is a law against pulling out a surveyors stake. I beleive it's a misdemeanor with a fine, just another way the state can turn the screws.
It would be best to prevent them from surveying or staking anything up front...
Quote from: freedominnh on October 30, 2005, 07:39 AM NHFT
Except the only authority they have is under eminent domain RSA's.? Pull the damn stakes and state vocally that all tresspassing will be considered life endangering.? Let them think someone is wild enough to use some deadly force.
A similar situation happened in Londonderry not too long ago. While the landowner spent time in jail for a minor tresspassing charge the town finished the paper work and bull dozed his house.
NH property is considered open to the public unless officialy posted "No Tresspassing" post the property legally and use the current system to your benifit. Verbally warning someone is not enough.
There is one thing that seems to be lost in the conversations about the little cohas marsh and the airport access road mitigation plan. The Town of Londonderry's role. They have not interest in protecting their own citizens from the State's ridiculous offers. They are in it together with the state. The prime example is the Airport Access Road Industrial Park that the Town of Londonderry will own and collect taxes off of. The 400 acre industrial park is part of some behind the scenes agreement with DOT and DES. When you look at the necessity issue you realize that if the access road is displacing 12 acres of wetlands then you realize that the normal ratio to conserve is 5:1. Thus the mitigation plan should have included conserving 60 acres. You then have to ask yourself why 750 acres? Well, it is the industrial park! You see the town of londnderry does not want to have to take lands through eminent domain from its citizens, as part of a industrial park mitigation plan, because it would cost way too much i.e. market value. So, they struct some kind of deal with the state to conserve enough property in the access road mitigation project to cover the industrial park. I think the real perpitraitors here are also the Town of Londonderry officials and conservation commission.
I read it was 700 acres of industrial zoned land http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9809577/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9809577/).
I was wondering why that sounded so much like 750 acres of mitigation property for the access road.
Quote from: GT on October 30, 2005, 07:36 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on October 30, 2005, 01:07 AM NHFT
Giving new meaning to the term "pulling up stakes". ;)
I lnow lots of you will disagree and I do to since I still beleive it's the Landowners property, but in NH there is a law against pulling out a surveyors stake. I beleive it's a misdemeanor with a fine, just another way the state can turn the screws.
It would be best to prevent them from surveying or staking anything up front...
Even if it is your land? That sucks.
Maybe a 'third party' could take the stakes out every night? >:D
Quote from: Dreepa on October 30, 2005, 08:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: GT on October 30, 2005, 07:36 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on October 30, 2005, 01:07 AM NHFT
Giving new meaning to the term "pulling up stakes". ;)
I lnow lots of you will disagree and I do to since I still beleive it's the Landowners property, but in NH there is a law against pulling out a surveyors stake. I beleive it's a misdemeanor with a fine, just another way the state can turn the screws.
It would be best to prevent them from surveying or staking anything up front...
I never oulled out any stakes, they are some type of pink ribbons that they hung on the trees and bush's.
Even if it is your land?? That sucks.
Maybe a 'third party' could take the stakes out every night?? ?>:D
Maybe we could just prune those bushes and trees?
Quote from: freedominnh on October 30, 2005, 06:45 AM NHFT
Alright follow the thought process.? The landowners lease to themselves as a development entity to build say a campground with the stipulation that they get all local ZBA, local planning and local wetland approvals within 6 months (time being of the essence).? ?I do not believe a campground would require the area variance which in now NH Supreme Court law (Boccia Case).? APB? can you get a Londonderry zoning ordinance and determine what zone your lands are and if those zones have been modified in the past 50 years.? ?Consider this homework to save your land and some attorney fees. Let me know as this could happen quickly.
Next step would be to get a copy of the most recent boundary survies of the property.? Ideally, a campground requires the least amount of building and road infrastructure(road should be sufficient as a gravel pervious base).? ?Once the commercial business entity is established----sometime in the future the use could be changed (will delete this sentence after APB and fellow abutters read it).
Create the lease document for the newly created entity.? Then get on the municipality agendas as quickly as you can shake dead men walking (most boards I've seen lately).
If you are denied at any board you automatically file a Supreme Court Appeal and drag the State in as a co-defendant.? The press will hit them with hopefully some ethical questions that stop the State from proceeding with any adversarial action involving ED.
In the end you will have a piece of much more valuable land (this process creates the value) to do with as you see fit, run it as a commercial enterprise or sell it (thow in a restrictive covenant that it always has to be a campground (will delete)). Viola recipe for successful fight against the State and the Town.?I can recommend a damn good lawyer when the country club boys get too expensive.
The State could lease their wetland mitigation every five years for a fee and you have developed the property with a higher an better use that remains parklike.? Win--Win for all and take 'em to mat only if you? need to.?
My property is zoned AR-1. This sounds good but the state already acquired my land by Eminent Domain. I was told by my lawyer that everything should stop on my property, until we go to court. As a matter of fact, the GOVE Enviormental Services Rep are trying to cover their butt. They should of knock on my door and asked permision to go behind my house. The DOT was asked by my lawyer for a copy of the GOVE report and for some reason they have not provided one. As, far as posting of signs with my name on them, they are up on the trees.
Quote from: LAT on October 30, 2005, 11:22 AM NHFT
There is one thing that seems to be lost in the conversations about the little cohas marsh and the airport access road mitigation plan.? The Town of Londonderry's role.? They have not interest in protecting their own citizens from the State's ridiculous offers. They are in it together with the state.? The prime example is the Airport Access Road Industrial Park that the Town of Londonderry will own and collect taxes off of.? The 400 acre industrial park is part of some behind the scenes agreement with DOT and DES.? When you look at the necessity issue you realize that if the access road is displacing 12 acres of wetlands then you realize that the normal ratio to conserve is 5:1.? Thus the mitigation plan should have included conserving 60 acres.? You then have to ask yourself why 750 acres?? Well, it is the industrial park!? You see the town of londnderry does not want to have to take lands through eminent domain from its citizens, as part of a industrial park mitigation plan, because it would cost way too much i.e. market value.? So, they struct some kind of deal with the state to conserve enough property in the access road mitigation project to cover the industrial park.? I think the real perpitraitors here are also the Town of Londonderry officials and conservation commission.
Interesting. Any way of getting some sort of map showing the area being taken? I was under the impression that the land was to be used for conservation not industrial zoned.
APB,
Any word back from the emails you sent?
The key is to get this in the press more. A rally, some CD, something to get people to wake up that the gov is stealing people's houses.
Quote from: LAT on October 30, 2005, 11:22 AM NHFT
Interesting. Any way of getting some sort of map showing the area being taken? I was under the impression that the land was to be used for conservation not industrial zoned.
I have a updated survey which I had done in the past 3 months. My land is supposed to be use for conservation. The appraisal that the DOT had done states that I have excessive land and that it's value for the 4.876 acres is only $10,000.00. The actual Industrial Zone that everyone is talking about is somewhere near the airport. I was told that I could hire a independent appraiser, which I will soon.
Quote from: Dreepa on October 31, 2005, 07:21 AM NHFT
APB,
Any word back from the emails you sent?
The key is to get this in the press more.? A rally, some CD, something to get people to wake up that the gov is stealing people's houses.
The only one who answer me back was Sen Bob Clegg.
Quote from his e-mail:
What ever I can do to help I will. the new law we propose will likely be too late for you however it is not too late to tell the people how most of the land they are taking for mitigation is senseless in that it likely replaces drainage ditches and is also likely to be used for "open space' to make the environmental groups happy with little concern for those who currently own and use the property. Good luck, I hope the courts hear you.
Sen Bob Clegg
Quote from: APB on October 31, 2005, 07:32 AM NHFT
Quote from his e-mail:
What ever I can do to help I will.?
Hmmm sounds like an invitation.
The lease on the damn is gone!! What are these people missing?
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 06:48 AM NHFT
Were you ever told in writing what the property was appraised for---what the State offered you for compensation---and that if you were not satisfied you had the right to hire an independent appraisal?
Lawyers should be proving the process was flawed.
Yes, 2 guys from DOT came to my house and sat wiyh my wife and I. That is went they brought me two offers. One for an easement for $5000,00 and the 2nd offer for the purchase of 4.876 acres for $10, 000.00. They also told me that I have the right to an independant appraiser. I have not done that yet as I have a son graduating from Parris Island Dec 2, and my monies have been spent on 4 plane tickets. When I come back then I will have it appraised. My lawyer already informed me to do it.
Time for a press release if you are gone in early December... Dec 10th protest? Nice and cold.
'APB, a former Marine just got back from Parris Island where is saw his own son inducted into the Marine Corp.
The govt that he served for 22 years is now shitting on him and stealing his land.'
Ok someone else will have to write it.. Dec 10th?
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 07:27 AM NHFT
APB, I will email you the name of the best abutter's rights attorney in the State of NH.? You appear to have no time to waste in the hands of a big firm that wants to bill you for 1000's of hours of research.? Cut to the chaff? quickly before all of your financial resources are drained.
Wiggins & Nourie is the firm that is hndling my case (Atty Shiela Kaufold). I had asked right up front how much would this cost and she said that it would be about $3500.00 at the most. Keep in mind that I do not work as I am a disable VET, retired from the US Marine, So, I live on a budget.
Quote from: Dreepa on October 31, 2005, 07:41 AM NHFT
Time for a press release? if you are gone in early December... Dec 10th protest?? Nice and cold.
'APB, a former Marine just got back from Parris Island where is saw his own son inducted into the Marine Corp.
The govt that he served for 22 years is now shitting on him and stealing his land.'
Ok someone else will have to write it.. Dec 10th?
I am still kicking around the idea on running for state rep. The filing date is 11/07.
That gives you a week... do it!
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 07:55 AM NHFT
17 hours is not going to get you a court date unfortunately.? You need a lawyer who told me personally that most of his clients have to raise his fee through bake sales.? Call Scott Hogan at 579-9090.? He knows the workings of DES better than any attorney in NH.? You have everything to lose by not being proactive.? We had to search long and hard to get this one.? You won't be disappointed
I will give him a call today. Thanks
Quote from: APB on October 31, 2005, 08:01 AM NHFT
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 07:55 AM NHFT
17 hours is not going to get you a court date unfortunately.? You need a lawyer who told me personally that most of his clients have to raise his fee through bake sales.? Call Scott Hogan at 579-9090.? He knows the workings of DES better than any attorney in NH.? You have everything to lose by not being proactive.? We had to search long and hard to get this one.? You won't be disappointed
I will give him a call today. Thanks
The lawyer that I have has been on this since Aug. My case has already been filed with the tax and ;and appeals board, who forwarde to Superior court and we are awaiting court date.
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 09:15 AM NHFT
Good, that should have stopped the clock.
I have been inolved with this since 2003 and I am not giveing up. Some might back down or won't say anthing and just let the government take their land. Not I!! When you put a Marine's back against the wall, be prepared, because he is coming out swinging. I was determined to stop the clock!
Quote from: APB on October 31, 2005, 11:21 AM NHFT
I have been inolved with this since 2003 and I am not giveing up. Some might back down or won't say anthing and just let the government take their land. Not I!! When you put a Marine's back against the wall, be prepared, because he is coming out swinging. I was determined to stop the clock!
Good for you. I'll support you to the end. :)
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 12:16 PM NHFT
Those Executive Councilors should be forced to resign....
I've inquired about this before, but APB doesn't seem to know whicjh of the executive councilors should be held accountable. Which ones should be focused on?
Executive Councilor Raymond J. Wieczorek is the local guy at rwieczorek@gov.state.nh.us
New Hampshire Executive Council
107 North Main Street
State House, Room 207
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603/271-3632
Fax: 603/271-3633
Here's where the Executive Councilors meet in Concord; (pretty nice digs):
About the Executive Council Chamber
The granite cornerstone for the New Hampshire State House was put into place in 1816. In 1909 the building was enlarged and this Executive Council Chamber was added. The wainscoting, pocket doors, fireplace mantle, doorframes, crown molding and window casings are all mahogany. The sixteen portraits that adorn the walls of this room are of former state governors.
(See picture below)
http://www.nh.gov/council/chamber.html (http://www.nh.gov/council/chamber.html)
There are six high back leather chairs around the 5-foot by 13-foot conference table. The Governor sits at one end of this table with the Executive Councilors seated in consecutive order beginning at the Governor's right.
The overall dimensions of this stately room are 28 x 48 with 18 foot high ceilings. A three-bedroom, two-bath ranch style footprint could fit inside the walls of this room.
Quote from: EZPass on November 01, 2005, 07:15 AM NHFT
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 12:16 PM NHFT
Those Executive Councilors should be forced to resign....
I've inquired about this before, but APB doesn't seem to know whicjh of the executive councilors should be held accountable.? Which ones should be focused on?
Executive Councilor Raymond J. Wieczorek is the local guy at rwieczorek@gov.state.nh.us
New Hampshire Executive Council
107 North Main Street
State House, Room 207
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603/271-3632
Fax: 603/271-3633
I had already Identified all 3 of the special committee members who participated in the LAND GRAB.? Quote from my letter to the Elected Officials: Especially the Executive Council or should I say the Chairman of the Special Committee appointed by the Governor and the Executive Council who are: Appointed Chairman, Councilor Wieczorek, Councilor Wheeler, who was late and Councilor Spaulding, who did not even show up for the Bedford-Manchester-Londonderry-Merrimack #11512 - 4/8/04 mitigation hearing, which was held at the Highlander Conference Center (Manchester). All 3 voted yes and did not care about all the land owners complaints. Many landowners are unhappy about this decision and are prepared to fight this to the end.
I'm sorry I did not make myself clear. The Town of Londonderry industrial park is going to be 400 acres that is completely seperate from the 750 acre mitigation plan. The number of acres in the mitigation plan reflects mitigating not only the access road but also the industrial park. None of the mitigation properties will be in the industrial park itself.
Quote from: freedominnh on October 31, 2005, 07:55 AM NHFT
You need a lawyer who is willing to fight for you until you are able to reclaim your property.? Call Scott Hogan at 579-9090.? He knows the workings of DES better than any attorney in NH.? You have everything to lose by not being proactive.? We had to search long and hard to get this one.? You won't be disappointed.
After doing some talking with a neighbor, the attorney that you recommended to me is from the firm Baldwin, Callen & Hoagan who does legal work for the town of Londonderry. If I am not mistaken, it was Attorney Callen who wrote up a ten page rebuttal for a resident that wanted the dam to stay last year.? So, I have been known to be wrong before, this might be a conflict of interest.
Ooohh... tough call on that one. :o
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 01, 2005, 07:13 PM NHFT
Ooohh... tough call on that one.? ?:o
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Efforts to retain wetlands derailed
BYLINE: DAVID LAZAR Union Leader Correspondent
DATE: August 9, 2004
PUBLICATION: New Hampshire Union Leader (Manchester, NH)
EDITION: South
SECTION: Local
PAGE: B1LD
LONDONDERRY -- Talks aimed at keeping the town's largest wetlands as a wildlife sanctuary have failed, and the state has been asked to drain Little Cohas Marsh.
Jim Pincence of Hall Road, who owns 104 acres fronting Little Cohas Marsh in north Londonderry, said state transportation officials have not made a reasonable offer to buy the land from him and neighboring landowners.
"It's insane," he said. "I can't find anyone willing to agree to what they were offering."
He and other landowners last week asked the state Fish and Game Department to drain the marsh.
Neither Pincence nor state officials would disclose the financial details of the offer. Pincence said the state offered to rent the property or extend the lease Fish and Game had to flood the land -- a 50-year agreement that ran out in April.
The announcement came about six weeks after Pincence and several landowners agreed to delay asking Fish and Game to drain the 227 acres of marshland on their properties.
Environmentalists and some other Little Cohas landowners have told the state that removing the dam and letting much of the water out would be an ecological catastrophe. Their hope had been to hold off the removal until after state transportation officials -- eager to scoop up wetlands to make up for others filled during the Manchester Airport access road project -- could make a fair offer to buy the land. Transportation officials originally planned to make an offer before Fish and Game's lease ran out, but were stalled for months by the discovery of a bald eagle habitat around the access road project.
Pincence last week called the state's offer to extend the lease "ridiculous" and an "insult." He said it would have meant giving up all rights to the land before the state bought it.
State Transportation Commissioner Carol Murray said late last week she, too, was disappointed in the way negotiations went. She said she considered the deal offered to Pincence and others to be fair.
Murray said: "We were very hopeful we could reach an agreement to either rent or extend the lease on the land. But the talks broke down on that. . . . It's very unfortunate because I feel very comfortable saying the offer we made was very fair for the landowners.
"At the same time, they've been very consistent in saying they'd like to work the land, and we really don't have any way at this point to intervene. We're certainly very willing to negotiate, but it's kind of out of our hands right now."
Pincence said he and other landowners last week asked Fish and Game officials to lower the water on their properties. He said he plans to farm the land he and his wife bought a dozen years ago.
He said: "It's our property, and until someone else owns it, it's our constitutional right to do as we please with it. Their lease ran out to flood it, so they have no rights over it. Everyone has ideas of how they'd like to see it used. Some think its best use is conservation. Some don't. But until someone else owns it, if we want to mine gravel from it, and timber and farm and lot it, we should be able to."
An environmental attorney said that would be a mistake.
Concord-based attorney Jed Callen represents Grenier Field Road resident Ken Smith, whose father helped build Little Cohas dam in 1954. For the past several months, he's lobbied Pincence and others to hold off draining the marsh until the state could at least survey the land and make them an offer based on the imaginary premise the dam was no longer there.
Hearing that negotiations to extend the lease had failed, Callen late last week wrote to state transportation and environmental officials, urging them to do what they could to delay something he called "legally unnecessary and environmentally damaging."
Callen said: "Any reasonable judge would recognize this issue is one of money and that the DOT is committed to purchasing that land. It would be an exercise in futility to drain that land and later flood it again once it's been purchased. Especially if it's to see how much the land would be worth dry, and especially when we don't even know whether the land would even dry out in the first place. It's an awfully expensive experiment to run on a 148-acre marsh, and it would be a crying shame to sacrifice the marsh and all the critters in there over a flowage easement."
State officials probably have no choice in the situation, Murray said.
Fish and Game officials couldn't be reached for comment late last week, but Murray said they probably have no legal recourse because Pincence and his neighbors already agreed once to delay the draining and enter negotiations. Fish and Game officials have in the past maintained a hands-off policy with the draining, saying they had little choice but to follow the landowners' requests.
Londonderry councilors are calling the failed talks a shame. They had lobbied to keep the land flooded or to at least delay the dam removal. The issue, they concede, is out of their hands.
"From a townwide perspective, leaving the Cohas Marsh the way it is now would be the most beneficial solution for the entire community," town council Vice Chairman Mike Brown said. "It represents the largest single wetlands in Londonderry, and it would be a real shame if that area was allowed to be drained unnecessarily.
"Obviously, we hoped that clearer heads had prevailed after our last meeting and that the DOT would move forward with its commitment to retain that area as part of the airport road mitigation package," he said. "Even though several of the landowners involved have actively rallied around leaving the Cohas the way it is, including a signed petition sent to the state, there appears to be a smaller handful that just don't feel the same way."
No schedule has been set for the marsh drawdown, but state transportation officials said it would probably happen sooner than later and would occur gradually over a two-week period.
In the meantime, Murray said, her department still plans to appraise Pincence's and neighbors' properties in coming months, a process that will probably take at least a month.
Pincence, the area's largest landowner, and others have said they remain open to selling their land to the state for a fair price.
Echoing past remarks of some state environmental officials, Murray last week suggested the draining might not be as catastrophic as some have portrayed.
"I still think it's a good mitigation property (for the airport access road project)," she said. "It's still in our interest to acquire that land, and if we have to start over again (flooding it), we would. If that's the case, in time, I suspect we'll see it return back to where it is today."
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 01, 2005, 07:13 PM NHFT
Ooohh... tough call on that one.? ?:o
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State won't halt Londonderry wetlands drain
BYLINE: DAVID LAZAR Union Leader Correspondent
DATE: June 5, 2004
PUBLICATION: New Hampshire Union Leader (Manchester, NH)
EDITION: South
SECTION: Local
PAGE: B2LD
LONDONDERRY -- State Fish and Game officials won't halt controversial plans to drain a local wetlands this month, saying they have no legal option but to follow the request of a Hall Road landowner.
"At this point, we can't take a stand one way or another," said Amy Mills, an assistant state attorney general advising Fish and Game officials. "Because Fish and Game's lease has expired on that land, we have no rights to flood it anymore, so if some landowners want to see it lowered, that's what we must do. . . What would be great would be if the people locally could reach an agreement that keeps things the way they are."
Whether that happens by June 15, when Fish and Game officials are to begin removing the Little Cohas dam's flashboards, of course remains to be seen.
Scientists differ on whether draining the wetlands would mean environmental catastrophe that couldn't be reversed at some point. Still, local conservationists and an attorney for a man whose father installed the dam 50 years ago are desperately hoping a deal can be struck -- one they say preserves the wildlife sanctuary Fish and Game leased for a dollar the last 50 years and pays Hall Road landowner Jim Pencince fair value to keep his land flooded.
Pencince says he has no desire to harm the environment. Instead, he says he wants to get value for the land he's paid taxes on the last 12 years -- land Department of Transportation officials want to claim as their own as they look to replace wetlands they're filling as part of the Manchester Airport access road project.
Though no official offer has been made, Pencince and other Hall Road landowners fear DOT officials will offer them around $1,000 an acre for their wetlands, or worse, take it by eminent domain; land they know would demand a higher price if it was dry. If and when the marsh lowering happens, Pencince says he intends to farm and log his 105 acres.
The question: whether DOT officials will make an offer on his land that keeps it wet, or whether town conservationists make an offer, themselves, to preserve it as open space.
"What I question is, since it's the full intent of DOT to acquire the property by amicable means or eminent domain and later re-flood it themselves, why would you bother draining it?" said Jed Callen, an environmental attorney for Grenier Field Road resident Ken Smith, whose dad built the dam in 1954. "What we would ask is for DOT to assess that land as if it were dry and to make an offer to Mr. Pencince based on those numbers. He should be entitled as a matter of law to the value of that land without the dam in place."
DOT officials couldn't be reached late yesterday, though they've said it could be months, if not a year, before they begin making formal offers on the 227 acres bordering the Little Cohas.
State and local officials, meantime, are lamenting the poor communication that led to the impending drawdown -- a plan that was to have the acreage in DOT's hands by the time Fish and Game's 50-year lease ran out. But DOT officials say the nesting habits of the bald eagle around the planned access road ground plans to a halt for months and delayed them from scooping up the Little Cohas wetlands in time.
While state and local officials call the Little Cohas a valuable area and sanctuary for birds and fish, Mills says keeping the area flooded is no longer Fish and Game's fight.
"When the lease came up on the 50 years in April, we had no plans to renew it, frankly, because DOT was supposed to come in and make an offer," Mills said. "At this point, though, the Little Cohas is more of a local resource than a statewide resource."
It also would have cost state Fish and Game officials much more than a dollar to lease the land again this time around, especially with more than 30 landowners now laying claim to acreage that in the 1950s was owned by less than half a dozen.
Smith at a town council meeting two weeks ago threatened to file an injunction to stop the draining, if all else failed before that. This, after presenting papers he said showed the water would end up lower than it was before the dam was actually built; water, he said, had earlier been kept in place by extensive beaver dams.
But Mills said the evidence wasn't conclusive enough to halt Fish and Game's plans, and Smith's own attorney says he's yet to find a strong legal reason to file an injunction. If the lowering moves forward, Fish and Game officials say they'd remove the wooden boards over a two-week period, and the water would flow downstream along the Little Cohas brook.
"I don't even want to talk about an injunction at this point," Callen said. "Let's just say, I won't file one unless I have strong legal reason to. The fact is, the state does have the right to remove those boards. I just hope people can come together on this one and agree to keep that from happening."
Quote from: freedominnh on November 02, 2005, 06:11 AM NHFT
APB can you document every legal meeting that has occurred regarding your situation?? Have you attended every meeting?
I went to the initial mitigation meeting (April 6, 2004) with the special council along with the one below listed Londonderry town meetings (May 17, 2004 & May 24, 2004). The May 24, meeting notes are not on the towns web site. I have a call into the town to see why? There has not been any other meetings that I know off. Keep in mind, that I spoke at both meeting's and I don't see my name anywhere. None of the speakers that spoke against them flooding our land, made it into thier minutes.
http://www.londonderrynh.org/051704.pdf
10:01 e-mail came in. After my phone call to the town, I was sent a copy of the metting minutes. The below listed, are minutes from the May 24, 2005. Once again all land owners comments are not added in. I have only paste the Drawdown of Little Cohas section of meeting.
TOWN COUNCIL
Regular Meeting
May 24, 2004
The Council?s meeting of May 24, 2004 was called to order at 7:00 PM in the Northgate Meeting Room, 50 Nashua Rd - Ste. 105, Londonderry.
Drawdown of Little Cohas:Chairman Bove invited the members of the Fish and Game Department, NH Dept. of Transportation, and the Department of Environmental Services to sit at the front to make conversation with the Council easier.
State Fish and Game Department Chief of the Access and Engineering Division Chuck Miner introduced Regional Wildlife Biologist Eric Orff, and Department of Environmental Services Reps.Lori Sommer, Jimmy Leung, Wetlands Bureau Rep. Collis Adams, and NH DOT Rep. Robert Barry, Conservation Commission
PUBLIC COMMENT (Cont?d)
Drawdown of Little Cohas: (Cont?d)
Chairman Deb Lievens and member Mike Speltz. Chairman Bove noted that State Representatives Sherman Packard and Betsy McKinney were also present.
Town Manager David Caron recapped the issue, noting that Fish and Game and Department of Environmental Services representatives attended the Council meeting last Monday to discuss the expiration of licensing on private property which allowed the DES to impound water. He noted that the Council decided to continue discussion this evening with the focus on the future use of land and to obtain information from the NH Department of Transportation as to its plans for acquisition of properties in conjunction with the airport access road project.
NH DOT Rep. Bob Barry stated that on April 8, the Department presented its mitigation plan for consideration by the Committee appointed by the Governor and Council. This plan was to determine the necessity to acquire lands for the purpose of satisfying the wetlands permit requirements for both the NH DES and the Army Corps of Engineers relative to the Airport Access Road Project.
At that meeting, the plan presented depicted lands in the area of the Little Cohas Marsh covering approximately 500 acres and encompassing all the lands that are currently flowed by the NH Fish and Game dam as well as substantially greater acreage in and around the area. The plan also showed some land south of the airport, and west of Harvey Road which totals about 250 acres. It is the Department?s intent to proceed with the public hearing process. He added that the comment period has closed, and comments received will be addressed individually. A report to the Committee will then be made, and the Committee will then make a finding of necessity, approving the action to acquire the lands encompassed by the area in the plan.
Discussion ensued among the land owners and members of the various State Departments regarding the value of their land, whether aerial photos had been taken prior to the initial flooding, that the land was not all developed back then and has since had more homes built, a request to delay the ?land grab? by the DOT and wait for the draining process until the end of the summer, a request to conduct an impact study to the wildlife, eco system, and local wells, and the fact that the drawdown is planned for June 15 by the Fish and Game Department. Mr. Miner stated that it is not the Department?s desire to lower the marsh, but rather its obligation since the leases have expired.
Collis Adams stated that with regard to the bald eagle issue, that was raised and resolved prior to the issuance of the DES permit, given in November, 2002. The bald eagle issue was addressed through design changes prior to the issuance of the DES Wetlands Bureau permit. The Little Cohas Marsh management area was the cornerstone of the mitigation package brought forth by the NH Department of Transportation and was agreed to by all parties; including DOT, DES and the Federal agencies. It was the marsh that had the most value in the mitigation package and the draining of the marsh will compromise the functions and values of that eco system. One of the conditions of the permit required DOT to acquire the parcels prior to the expiration of the Fish and Game leases so that the properties could be encumbered and the Department could fulfill the mitigation requirements of the permit. When that did not happen, it made the permit invalid and the Department is now in the position of awaiting a response from DOT to propose an alternative mitigation package to make the permit whole again. This mitigation package has not yet been presented.
PUBLIC COMMENT (Cont?d)
Drawdown of Little Cohas: (Cont?d)
Councilor Brown stated that the Town has no power to injunct against the actions of the State Departments of Fish and Game and Transportation. Chairman Bove added the suggestion that the residents impacted should contact the various agencies for more information and a course of action.
Chairman Bove thanked everyone for their input and participation.
Chairman Bove called a short recess at 9:55 PM. The meeting reconvened at 10:05 PM.
Quote from: freedominnh on November 02, 2005, 08:46 AM NHFT
Did anyone tape record?? Is there a video record at town cable facility, typically you give them 3 or 4 tapes and they give you back the recorded copy.? You need to try and transcribe everything said during those televised hearings.? Do it before the tape gets misplaced...? maybe send in a straw....? might not realize what tape(s) it is.....?
Sonds like a plan. The meetings are taped by our cable studio.
Quote from: freedominnh on November 03, 2005, 04:11 PM NHFT
APB, I spoke with Atty Hogan? a few minutes ago.? He seems to think he is already representing one of your abutters.? Seems State knows the offers were ridiculously low.? Correct no. is 659-9090?
Thanks for the info! I left him a message on his voice mail on friday. Hopefully, I will hear from him in the AM.
Jim Coburn (R) who plans on running for Gov next year talked to a bunch of porcupines on Saturday. He said that the NHGOP is going to look at the ED issues in NH. I brought up Londonderry but he said he was not aware of the situation.
You might want to email him.
If you think the NHGOP is going to help on this, then your republicans must be very differant from the twofaced corporate conservatives in the rest of this country.
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2005, 08:28 AM NHFT
If you think the NHGOP is going to help on this, then your republicans must be very differant from the two faced corporate conservatives in the rest of this country.
Thanks, for the info! Rep Coburn has no excuse now, not knowing.
Representative Coburn,
It was brought to my attention that you might run for Governor and that you had no idea on what was happening in NH on Eminent Domain.
Well, My name is AL Baldasaro and I am a member of the Republican State Committee and the RNC. Last night, I officially stepped down as the Londonderry Republican Chairman (LRC) to run for the open seat, left by Representative Paul Smith of Auburn. I am determined to stop the Eminent Domain; which is actually; "legal thievery" in NH. For the past two years, I, along with other residents, have been trying to keep the Eminent Domain in the press, so many other voters know what the real truth is. I am also planning on going after the Tax and Spenders that are forcing our long time residents; out off our, Live Free or Die State.
The below letter is what I sent to the Governor, Attorney General, all Senator's, Londonderry & Auburn State Reps. For your info, I am now informing you with a copy of my letter, so you now know what is going on with Eminent Domain.
If you have any questions or concerns for the land owners of NH, than hopefully you will jump on board and make a difference.
Please pass this letter on to other Republicans, as I plan on making this a HOT ITEM throughout the state. Feel free to contact me for any concerns on Eminent Domain or any other issues that you think that I should be aware of..
Thank You,
AL Baldasaro
Candidate for State Representative
Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Dreepa on November 07, 2005, 12:22 PM NHFT
Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I second that motion. Great work APB! I truely hope you succeed for your own sake and for all the other property owners in America. You are still fighting for America just not on enemy soil.
Also APB you should start a new thread here about your campaign. Asking for volunteers etc. When is the election?
Also maybe contact NHLA ( www.nhliberty.org) they might be willing to help.
Quote from: Dreepa on November 07, 2005, 12:29 PM NHFT
Also APB you should start a new thread here about your campaign.? Asking for volunteers etc.? When is the election?
Also maybe contact NHLA ( www.nhliberty.org) they might be willing to help.
Awesome site! Right up my alley. I have already register and sent an e-mail. Thanks ;D
Quote from: Dreepa on November 07, 2005, 12:29 PM NHFT
Also APB you should start a new thread here about your campaign.? Asking for volunteers etc.? When is the election?
Also maybe contact NHLA ( www.nhliberty.org) they might be willing to help.
Londonderry Candidate Forum is scheduled for Dec. 3rd at 1:00 PM at the Town Hall. The Primary is Dec 20 and the general election is set for Jan 24, 2006.
QuoteLondonderry Candidate Forum is scheduled for Dec. 3rd at 1:00 PM
I haven't seen this announced anywhere in the local papers....?
Here's what I did when Salty was arrested for "trespassing" on his own land in londonderry; I called the city and told them I was a blogger of sorts for NHfree.com, which is true, and asked for them to explain themselves.
603 432 1100 dave carron town manager is the guy I talked to. At least it puts them on notice the new media is paying attention.
Quote from: GT on November 08, 2005, 09:28 PM NHFT
QuoteLondonderry Candidate Forum is scheduled for Dec. 3rd at 1:00 PM
I haven't seen this announced anywhere in the local papers....?
Two emails to the Town asking about the potential candidates and the Candidate forum, No responses. There was brief mention in the local paper about a candidates nigt on Dec 3. Only thing they said was that it would be taped for future rebroadcast. No mention of he time or the location. Seems to be a trend giving very little information to the people.
Tonight, someone told me that one day, the chairman of the Town of Londonderry was entrapped by the police for trying to date 15-16 year old girls. :o
Entrapment angers me, but that guy is a pppsssyyyyccchhoooooo!!!
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 11, 2005, 04:26 PM NHFT
Tonight, someone told me that one day, the chairman of the Town of Londonderry was entrapped by the police for trying to date 15-16 year old girls.? ?:o
Entrapment angers me, but that guy is a pppsssyyyyccchhoooooo!!!
Chairman of the Planning Board and the story only made page three of the local paper! Student suing town over yearbook photo with shot-gun on page one.
*chairman of the town council
Hey APB, you're from Londonderry. Is this true? You must know. :o
Quote from: GT on November 11, 2005, 04:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: GT on November 08, 2005, 09:28 PM NHFT
QuoteLondonderry Candidate Forum is scheduled for Dec. 3rd at 1:00 PM
I haven't seen this announced anywhere in the local papers....?
Two emails to the Town asking about the potential candidates and the Candidate forum, No responses. Seems to be a trend giving very little information to the people.
If you're looking for candidate info, you probably should be asking the local party organizations. The last thing we need is tax dollars being spent to track and provide candidate info to the media. Let the candidates publicize their own campaigns without drinking from the public fountain.
Quote from: free55 on November 11, 2005, 10:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: GT on November 11, 2005, 04:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: GT on November 08, 2005, 09:28 PM NHFT
QuoteLondonderry Candidate Forum is scheduled for Dec. 3rd at 1:00 PM
I haven't seen this announced anywhere in the local papers....?
Two emails to the Town asking about the potential candidates and the Candidate forum, No responses. Seems to be a trend giving very little information to the people.
If you're looking for candidate info, you probably should be asking the local party organizations.? The last thing we need is tax dollars being spent to track and provide candidate info to the media.? Let the candidates publicize their own campaigns without drinking from the public fountain.
They are already using public funds by having the candidate night at the town hall. The candidates are required to register at the town hall too.
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 11, 2005, 08:00 PM NHFT
*chairman of the town council
No he wa on the planning board not the town council
March 19,
Union Leader
Indictment: Official tried to lure girl
LONDONDERRY ? A grand jury has indicted the chairman of the Londonderry planning board for allegedly attempting to entice a Hollis detective who was posing online as a 14-year-old girl to engage in sexual acts.
Mark Cohen is accused of using America Online and contacting Hollis police Sgt. Rich Mello. The detective posed in a New Hampshire chat room as "TammyNH89" from about Sept. 9 to Sept. 14.
Cohen allegedly said at one point during the online conversation, "For all I know, you could be a fat, cigar-smoking detective trying to 'catch' me."
The indictment was handed down Tuesday in Hillsborough County Superior Court South in Nashua. Cohen is charged with certain uses of computer services prohibited.
Reached by phone last night, Cohen had no comment.
Mello said his department has been conducting similar online operations over the past 18 months and about 20 people have been arrested from throughout the area and Massachusetts.
When Mello went online, he said Cohen exhibited the traits of those computer users who are searching for sex with underage victims. Cohen allegedly tried to determine the age and location of who he was chatting with during the first few minutes, Mello said.
Cohen, 52, also allegedly asked, "Do you like older guys?"
The conversation later turned to a discussion of certain sexual acts, Mello said.
Cohen later allegedly arranged to meet with who he thought was a 14-year-old girl; he was arrested without incident when he showed up in a Hollis parking lot, driving a vehicle he previously described in the chat room, Mello said.
"He was just your typical offender. He gets online and reaches out to someone who he thinks is 14," Mello said.
As for the alleged comment about whether he was talking to a fat, cigar-smoking detective during the online conversation, Mello said Cohen could have been trying to put himself at ease by finding out the person wasn't a detective. He also could have been attempting to see if the conversation was a setup by the police.
Mello said he responded to the comment by acting like a 14-year-old girl. He said he deflected and joked about the remark.
"You calling me fat?" he said he asked Cohen.
Mello said that his experience has shown that about 90 percent of offenders make some comment about police.
Cohen is free on $1,500 cash or surety bail. The charge is a felony that carries a sentence of 3? to 7 years imprisonment.
Thanks for clearing that up, GT.
What happened with the trial?
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 11, 2005, 04:26 PM NHFT
Tonight, someone told me that one day, the chairman of the Town of Londonderry was entrapped by the police for trying to date 15-16 year old girls.? ?:o
Entrapment angers me, but that guy is a pppsssyyyyccchhoooooo!!!
I thought it was legal to date a 16 year old in NH?
I think it is 100% moral. Heck, my grandma was not married at 16 and everyone made fun of her. When she was not married at 18 they thought it was too late for her to ever get married. Her sister got married at 14.
It's legal to do more than date a 16 year old in NH.
Of course, why any adult would want to actually date one is beyond me! I can only imagine the conversation:
"So, I was watching MTV...
"I just have to have this new purse!"
etc.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 13, 2005, 12:58 AM NHFT
It's legal to do more than date a 16 year old in NH.
Of course, why any adult would want to actually date one is beyond me!? I can only imagine the conversation:
"So, I was watching MTV...
"I just have to have this new purse!"
etc.
I like MTV
but you are right...I haven't bought a purse in years.
Quote from: EZPass on November 11, 2005, 08:24 PM NHFT
Hey APB, you're from Londonderry.? Is this true?? You must know. :o
Yes this is true and it was kept quiet for a couple of months until the newspaper found out.
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2005/HB0429.html (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2005/HB0429.html)
Quote from: freedominnh on November 13, 2005, 08:25 AM NHFT
APB have your attorney check out RSA 498 modification.? See? http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2005/HB0429.html (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us./legislation/2005/HB0429.html)
;)Thanks! ??? I have past it on. Update on ED. The state lawyers still have not turned over any environmental reports to my lawyer. Anything that she has asked for, they are to busy. Robert Barry from DOT claims that he has been tied up with the floods in NH. The superior court, somehow says that the letter to the state which gave them until October 14, 2005 to answer my complaint was never received. HMMMM! The court had to send new letters and a new date to answer discovery from my lawyer. So I am waiting patiently for the judge to make his decision for a court date. The DOT was not happy that I threw off my land the guy from the GOVE environmental company to do his testing. They want to come on my property on Nov 15, 2005 to take samples that they should already have. My question to my lawyer was that, they have already taken my land and condemned it due to their water on it. Why do they need a report, shouldn't they already have it. and what are they hiding. I told her that I want to be present when they take their samples. My lawyer called me back and said that they changed their mind an will wait to finish testing. I believe that this is case where the DOT, Fish and Game all got caught trying to steal our properties and did not expect a fight from land owners.
Quote from: freedominnh on November 13, 2005, 07:54 AM NHFT
News Flash:? DES issued cease and desist to illegal? boat slip developer in Hampton Harbor.? Developer was caught in outright lies and deceit in his application.? Property owners surrounding project have had properties in their families for two and three plus generations.? Even former owners submitted request for formal investigation to Governor & Executive Council over impropriety in DES permitting process.? Property owners have nailed this prick.? Have intentionally left this example on the Londonderry thread to show the power property owners still have in NH if they are willing to stand up for their rights.?
The same thing has happened in Londonderry, but the Kilroy's have not had any luck yet, like Hampton Towers. One of the land owners (Kilroy's) on Hall road, has horses with , I think 52 acres which the state is taking all and leaving them with under 2 acres of land. Mrs. Kilroy has lived in that house all her life and she or should I say her mother & father has own the land for well over 30 years or more. The Kilroy's have bought the land from the family. Once the DOT steals their land, they do not fall within the zoning regulation to have 2 acres or more to have horses. Something is wrong with that picture!
The State and Fed Governments have no concern for the individual. None. Nada. They are only interested in the "greater good". A pile of crap.
Quote from: freedominnh on November 07, 2005, 03:22 PM NHFT
Executive Councilors are in a figurative boatload of doo doo over granting passage of a marina expansion of boatslips.? Funny thing happened when the abutters blew the lid off the deal. Turns out there was never an existing marina--- only a burned out restaurant with a dock, and part of the land included for frontage was actually town beach. There was also a complete waiver of public hearings.? Stay tuned.? Where else but Hampton....beach life is a bitch with all these bad ass politicians wanting to steal? your damn properties and livelihoods....another head rolling to occur soon over this.? Strike hard against the Executive Councilors APB --- they are completely fucked up.
Note:? Oversight for Department of Environmental Services is Executive Council.
This will give you some insight on Hampton.
Sorry I am a little late getting in on this thread...I'm not caught up at all on the issue, but what are your thoughts on staging a demonstration about this and if so where , when and how should we stage it?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 13, 2005, 08:31 PM NHFT
Sorry I am a little late getting in on this thread...I'm not caught up at all on the issue, but what are your thoughts on staging a demonstration about this and if so where , when? and how should we stage it?
I am not familiar with the procedures on demonstration, but I and other neighbors like the idea of unlocking the secrets of Eminent Domain in NH. As you know this has been a hush,hush thing from the DOT.? National exposure would do the land owners justice. You let me know when and I will pass the word and enlighten the news reporters. Other land owners should be aware of what could happen to them.
Quote from: Mike Fisher on November 11, 2005, 04:26 PM NHFT
Tonight, someone told me that one day, the chairman of the Town of Londonderry was entrapped by the police for trying to date 15-16 year old girls.? ?:o
Entrapment angers me, but that guy is a pppsssyyyyccchhoooooo!!!
Mike, what was this person's name?
The current chairman is Tom Dolan.
Man, Londonderry has been the center of a lot of scandals. They must have some major corruption.
Quote from: katdillon on December 24, 2005, 05:25 AM NHFT
The current chairman is Tom Dolan.
Man, Londonderry has been the center of a lot of scandals.? They must have some major corruption.
Londonderry just went through what Bedford did, only the tax and spenders won because there wasn't enough time.
In Bedford we managed to expose the corruption for a while, but then dirty tactics won out.
Now everyone wonders why the town government is a mess and the ones who have their hands in the till are all leaving town now that they got what they want.
When I see what is going on in Londonderry and how a few people attempt to get on all the boards, just like Rep Scanlon is on the Town Council, Planning and Zoning, and has appointed himself Czar of the 'Water District' with which he attempted to take our wells, I think, what the h*** is Tracy doing, trying to sabotage Al Baldasaro from running against this John Robinson guy who IS the status quo?
This is the objection I have to people who don't live in NH and know squiddley-dee about what goes on here being critics.
We need 100 more like Al B.
Quote from: CNHT on December 23, 2005, 07:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: Mike Fisher on November 11, 2005, 04:26 PM NHFT
Tonight, someone told me that one day, the chairman of the Town of Londonderry was entrapped by the police for trying to date 15-16 year old girls.? ?:o
Entrapment angers me, but that guy is a pppsssyyyyccchhoooooo!!!
Mike, what was this person's name?
It wasn't the Chairman of the Town Council. The individual was the Chairman of the Planning Board. When the story broke it made page three of the local paper.
Quote from: CNHT on December 24, 2005, 07:04 AM NHFT
Quote from: katdillon on December 24, 2005, 05:25 AM NHFT
The current chairman is Tom Dolan.
Man, Londonderry has been the center of a lot of scandals.? They must have some major corruption.
Londonderry just went through what Bedford did, only the tax and spenders won because there wasn't enough time.
In Bedford we managed to expose the corruption for a while, but then dirty tactics won out.
Now everyone wonders why the town government is a mess and the ones who have their hands in the till are all leaving town now that they got what they want.
When I see what is going on in Londonderry and how a few people attempt to get on all the boards, just like Rep Scanlon is on the Town Council, Planning and Zoning, and has appointed himself Czar of the 'Water District' with which he attempted to take our wells, I think, what the h*** is Tracy doing, trying to sabotage Al Baldasaro from running against this John Robinson guy who IS the status quo?
This is the objection I have to people who don't live in NH and know squiddley-dee about what goes on here being critics.
We need 100 more like Al B.
Londonderry has the same issue with a small group of individuals who sit on multiple boards. Al has always spoken out about the status quo and the local old boys club. If nothing else Al will shake things up a bit.
Quote from: GT on December 26, 2005, 05:31 PM NHFT
Londonderry has the same issue with a small group of individuals who sit on multiple boards. Al has always spoken out about the status quo and the local old boys club. If nothing else Al will shake things up a bit.
Most folks in Bedford had NO IDEA what Rep Michael Scanlon tried to do. They are horrified when I tell them.
Come election time, there will be reminders of who should be dumped on the web and in the papers for sure.
Quote from: CNHT on December 26, 2005, 05:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: GT on December 26, 2005, 05:31 PM NHFT
Londonderry has the same issue with a small group of individuals who sit on multiple boards. Al has always spoken out about the status quo and the local old boys club. If nothing else Al will shake things up a bit.
Most folks in Bedford had NO IDEA what Rep Michael Scanlon tried to do. They are horrified when I tell them.
Come election time, there will be reminders of who should be dumped on the web and in the papers for sure.
So how do you motivate people to do something?
We are in the middle of budget season and there seems to be little public support for reducing any spending. The Town Council, of course, is latching onto the lack of public intrest. At the last Council meeting they actualy turned the cameras toward the audience as one councilor called for a poll of the audience who wanted reduced spending. The response was something like "see no one here want a budget reduction"
Quote from: GT on December 26, 2005, 06:14 PM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on December 26, 2005, 05:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: GT on December 26, 2005, 05:31 PM NHFT
Londonderry has the same issue with a small group of individuals who sit on multiple boards. Al has always spoken out about the status quo and the local old boys club. If nothing else Al will shake things up a bit.
Most folks in Bedford had NO IDEA what Rep Michael Scanlon tried to do. They are horrified when I tell them.
Come election time, there will be reminders of who should be dumped on the web and in the papers for sure.
So how do you motivate people to do something?
We are in the middle of budget season and there seems to be little public support for reducing any spending. The Town Council, of course, is latching onto the lack of public intrest. At the last Council meeting they actualy turned the cameras toward the audience as one councilor called for a poll of the audience who wanted reduced spending. The response was something like "see no one here want a budget reduction"
Apathy is a serious problem. I suppose you could mail out flyers with the headlines "Your taxes are about to go up -- unless you do something about it" then specifically outline what they are to do. Even local government is too complicated for most people and they are afraid to participate. This is a huge problem.
:D Effective August 4, 2006 in the case of, RE: State of New Hampshire V. Alfred Baldasaro, et al
Docket No. 05-E-0504
There has been an interesting turn of events. The court, on it's own accord, has consolidated my case with two other eminent domain matter. The court has also instructed counsel to consolidate discovery matters.
My case is November 9, 2006 at 10: 00 AM at the Rockingham Superior Court in Brentwood.
The time alloted for hearing is 5 hours.
This is great news for all concerned on Government stealing of property.
I am looking for some help in setting up an legal fund, as my Lawyer fee's are up to $5000.00 as of today. As I stated before, I am a retired Disable US Marine who does not work and If anyone knows of any organization that can assist me with donations on paying for this battle, please let me know. If for some reason, that we lose, I want to fight this through the courts.
This is not just about me the little guy, it's about who is next and enough is enough on big government robbing us of our land.
My address is 41 Hall Road, Londonderry, NH 03053 and my telephone number is 603-425-6997.
If you have any questions, or concerns, please do not hesitate to call me.
Thanks,
AL Baldasaro
Welcom back, Al!
Thanks for the update.
Good to "see" you again Al! Do you have the names and contact info for some of the perpetrators? Would like to give em a ring, ask some questions, urge em to do the right thing, etc.
I understand the main perpetrating organization here is the Department of Transportation. Two key officials there are Robert Barry and another guy who's name I am not quite sure of, something like Bill Ginelle.
Also I talked to al today and checked to see if he has any objections to more demonstrations in his support; he does not!
Lastly, he just won his primary for state rep, topped the ticket!
I've placed is nov. 9 court date on the calendar linking back to this thread.
Al I performed the demonstration I had brainstormed with you about, details are at:
http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=5414.0