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Title: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 03, 2011, 12:34 AM NHFT

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/02/arkansas.falling.birds/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/02/arkansas.falling.birds/index.html?hpt=T2)

(CNN) -- Arkansas game officials hope testing scheduled to begin Monday will solve the mystery of why up to 5,000 birds fell from the sky just before midnight New Year's Eve.

The birds -- most of which were dead -- were red-winged blackbirds and starlings, and they were found within a one-mile area of Beebe, about 40 miles northeast of Little Rock, the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission said. Birds fell over about a one-mile area, the commission said in a statement.

As of Saturday, between 4,000 and 5,000 birds had been found dead, said Keith Stephens with the commission.

"Shortly after I arrived, there were still birds falling from the sky," said commission wildlife officer Robby King in the statement. He said he collected about 65 dead birds.

The commission said it flew over the area to gauge the scope of the event, and no birds were found outside of the initial one-mile area.

Karen Rowe, an ornithologist for the commission, said the incident is not that unusual and is often caused by a lightning strike or high-altitude hail.

A strong storm system moved through the state earlier in the day Friday.

"It's important to understand that a sick bird can't fly. So whatever happened to these birds happened very quickly," Rowe told CNN Radio on Sunday.

"Something must have caused these birds to flush out of the trees at night, where they're normally just roosting and staying in the treetops ... and then something got them out of the air and caused their death and then they fell to earth," Rowe added.

Officials also speculated that fireworks shot by New Year's revelers in the area might have caused severe stress in the birds. Rowe said Sunday there was evidence that large fireworks may have played a role.

"Initial examinations of a few of the dead birds showed trauma. Whether or not this trauma was from the force of hitting the ground when they fell or from something that contacted them in the air, we don't know," Rowe said.

The dead birds will be sent for testing to labs at the Arkansas Livestock and Poultry Commission and the National Wildlife Health Center in Wisconsin.

The necropsies will begin Monday, Stephens said, and the findings should be available sometime this week.

The city of Beebe has hired U.S. Environmental Services to begin the cleanup and dispose of the dead birds, the commission said. The firm's workers will go door-to-door and pick up birds still in yards and on rooftops.

CNN's Tina Burnside and Shelby Lin Erdman contributed to this report.

Then here is a story of lots of fish dying in Arkansas too but I think it was over 100 miles away.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/02/arkansas.fish.kill/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/02/arkansas.fish.kill/index.html?hpt=T2)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 03, 2011, 04:37 AM NHFT
Possible lightning, chemtrail posioning or military weapon testing?

I am surprised they didn't label it Bird Flu outbreak.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 03, 2011, 05:53 AM NHFT
A guy on TV just quipped that he often thought that 'end times' would begin in Arkansas.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 03, 2011, 11:30 AM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 03, 2011, 04:37 AM NHFT
Possible lightning, chemtrail posioning or military weapon testing?

I am surprised they didn't label it Bird Flu outbreak.

Who knows, but it's totally freaky.  :o   It reminds me of the movie, The Core, when pigeons started falling all over dead and that movie was about the magnetic pole shift I think; so maybe that's it.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 03, 2011, 11:30 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 03, 2011, 05:53 AM NHFT
A guy on TV just quipped that he often thought that 'end times' would begin in Arkansas.

Really, why Arkansas of all places?
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 03, 2011, 11:31 AM NHFT
Isn't Arkansas pronounced like this rcansaw?   I wonder why it is spelled so weird.... :-\
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: KBCraig on January 03, 2011, 08:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 03, 2011, 05:53 AM NHFT
A guy on TV just quipped that he often thought that 'end times' would begin in Arkansas.

Can't possibly happen. Arkansas is at least a decade behind the rest of the country. When it's end times in Arkansas, everyone else will already be goners.  ;)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: KBCraig on January 03, 2011, 08:41 PM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on January 03, 2011, 11:31 AM NHFT
Isn't Arkansas pronounced like this rcansaw?   I wonder why it is spelled so weird.... :-\

Ask the Francophones. Just like NH, Arkansas is full of strange place names that are English spellings of French transliterations of Indian names.

Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Jim Johnson on January 03, 2011, 11:03 PM NHFT
It looks like a flock of the redwings was caught in the middle of a fireworks celebration.
The timing of the display and the body trauma in the birds seem to fit.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Free libertarian on January 04, 2011, 10:40 AM NHFT
 maybe it's god flipping us the bird(s) ?
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 04, 2011, 03:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on January 03, 2011, 08:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 03, 2011, 05:53 AM NHFT
A guy on TV just quipped that he often thought that 'end times' would begin in Arkansas.

Can't possibly happen. Arkansas is at least a decade behind the rest of the country. When it's end times in Arkansas, everyone else will already be goners.  ;)

Tennessee came in second.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: CJS on January 06, 2011, 10:19 AM NHFT
 Google "fish kills" and "mass bird deaths" , this is happening globally and the scale of it is actually scary ... as is the lack of reporting on it.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: KBCraig on January 06, 2011, 01:30 PM NHFT
Quote from: CJS on January 06, 2011, 10:19 AM NHFT
Google "fish kills" and "mass bird deaths" , this is happening globally and the scale of it is actually scary ... as is the lack of reporting on it.

All you can tell from reading the news, is that it's being reported. A massive increase in news reports does not equal a massive increase in the number of events.

Remember "the summer of the shark"? In 2001, shark attacks were all over the news, and it was hyped as if it was the most dangerous year ever. In fact, there were fewer attacks and less than half the deaths of the year before.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 07, 2011, 09:05 AM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on January 03, 2011, 11:30 AM NHFTWho knows, but it's totally freaky.  :o   It reminds me of the movie, The Core, when pigeons started falling all over dead and that movie was about the magnetic pole shift I think; so maybe that's it.  :dontknow:

Pigeons don't die in response to changes in magnetism.  Neither do folks with pacemakers.  The magnetic field of the planet can't be stopped and started.  I don't think there was a truthful thing in that entire movie.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: CJS on January 08, 2011, 04:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on January 06, 2011, 01:30 PM NHFT


All you can tell from reading the news, is that it's being reported. A massive increase in news reports does not equal a massive increase in the number of events.



An excellent point , as I have said to friends many times in regards to " west Nile virus" which is what was called St Louis Encephalitis in the 70's and early 80's and not some new scary disease the govt. needs to save us from.

Also I have gone out of my way to ignore main stream media so my saying something is under reported is not fair .
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Pat K on January 12, 2011, 12:47 AM NHFT
Jacobs: Birds Dying Because of DADT Repeal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17WGTvPHGg#)
Every time , gay folk have sex god kills some birds.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 19, 2011, 09:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on January 03, 2011, 08:41 PM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on January 03, 2011, 11:31 AM NHFT
Isn't Arkansas pronounced like this rcansaw?   I wonder why it is spelled so weird.... :-\

Ask the Francophones. Just like NH, Arkansas is full of strange place names that are English spellings of French transliterations of Indian names.

Thanks, interesting!  :)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 19, 2011, 10:02 AM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on January 04, 2011, 10:40 AM NHFT
maybe it's god flipping us the bird(s) ?


;D  That's more logical than some other stuff I've read, like fireworks, birds committing mass suicides.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 19, 2011, 10:07 AM NHFT
Here's an interesting theory that I read about what's happening, the guy admits he doesn't know for sure and I like that kind of objectivity.
http://www.naturalnews.com/030996_bird_deaths_pole_shift.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/030996_bird_deaths_pole_shift.html)

Then here's a link to a lady talking about some strange things:

Operation Black Swan Killing Birds, Fish, People! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7c29E0NqnU#ws)

I don't know if this is a common occurence but here's one from cnn that doesn't have to do with birds dying but a pole shift:


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/12/shift-of-earths-magnetic-north-pole-affects-florida-airport/?hpt=T2 (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/12/shift-of-earths-magnetic-north-pole-affects-florida-airport/?hpt=T2)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 19, 2011, 10:31 AM NHFT
Chemtrails, maybe?

http://aircrap.org/former-fbi-chief-ted-gunderson-says-chemtrail-death-dumps-must-be-stopped/33301/ (http://aircrap.org/former-fbi-chief-ted-gunderson-says-chemtrail-death-dumps-must-be-stopped/33301/)

Difference between contrails and chemtrails:

CONTRAIL vs CHEMTRAIL 101 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kcTvqiMNl8#)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 19, 2011, 11:12 AM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on January 19, 2011, 10:07 AM NHFTHere's an interesting theory that I read about what's happening, the guy admits he doesn't know for sure and I like that kind of objectivity.
http://www.naturalnews.com/030996_bird_deaths_pole_shift.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/030996_bird_deaths_pole_shift.html)

Not really.  For example, he says that "the Earth's magnetic field "flips" (or reverses polarity) every few thousand years," which is not true.  It can happen in tens of thousands of years, at a short span, but has gone tens of millions of years, on occasion.

It's nowhere near the common occurrence that he tries to imply.

And then he goes on about "space clouds," that are actually clouds in the upper atmosphere, not space.  And links to some article that mentions that it's hypothetically possible for hydrogen cyanide to exist in space.  That doesn't mean it's actually, there, unfortunately for his theory.  After all, it's hypothetically possible for a baseball to exist in space, but that doesn't mean the earth is getting bombarded with baseballs.

Or, "we also know that weird things are happening to our planet's magnetic poles and weather systems."  No, we don't know anything of the sort.  The slow shifting of the earth's magnetic poles is not weird; it's been going on since the planet formed, and will continue to go on for a few billion years.  Just because the average guy-on-the-street doesn't know about it, and is startled when he learns about it, does not mean that it's weird.  The magnetic field is generated in the core and mantle, which are fluid.  If it actually stayed put, that would be weird.

And I haven't noticed any weird weather.  Everyone likes to talk about weird weather, but that's been a favorite topic of conversation for thousands of years, just like complaining about "kids these days."  In reality, the weather is about the same, and kids are no more (or less) disrespectful than they were when Plato wrote his essay on how disrespectful kids were becoming.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 19, 2011, 11:18 AM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on January 19, 2011, 10:31 AM NHFTChemtrails, maybe?

http://aircrap.org/former-fbi-chief-ted-gunderson-says-chemtrail-death-dumps-must-be-stopped/33301/ (http://aircrap.org/former-fbi-chief-ted-gunderson-says-chemtrail-death-dumps-must-be-stopped/33301/)

From the comments: "All of us, individually, need to support those who are speaking out, loudly and with cash donations. If not, we're toast." [emphasis added]

And that is the basis of the whole myth.  Write a book about some imaginary phenomenon, then ask for money.

There are plenty of real dangers to be worried about, without inventing fake ones.  Cops and such are a real danger.  But, of course, opposing armed thugs is scary, so folks like to oppose imaginary boogeymen.  Imaginary boogeymen don't chain you up and lock you in cages...

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 19, 2011, 04:42 PM NHFT
Colleen Thomas is great.

One can continue to make jokes and dismiss aerosol spraying if they wish. There  will come a time when it will slap people upside the head and at that point it could be too late. IMO, it already is too late.

The future should be quite revealing as things are coming to a boiling point.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 19, 2011, 10:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 19, 2011, 04:42 PM NHFTOne can continue to make jokes and dismiss aerosol spraying if they wish.

Only because it's completely and utterly false.  Might as well argue that the earth is flat.

Quote from: littlehawk on January 19, 2011, 04:42 PM NHFTThere  will come a time when it will slap people upside the head and at that point it could be too late. IMO, it already is too late.

It's too late for a lot of things, because too many folks waste too much time and energy on myth, instead of reality.  There are real, actual problems that need to be addressed.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 20, 2011, 10:06 AM NHFT
There's never been a pole reversal while humans were around.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 20, 2011, 10:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 20, 2011, 10:06 AM NHFT
There's never been a pole reversal while humans were around.

I hope it stays that way.  :o :)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Jim Johnson on January 20, 2011, 12:02 PM NHFT
Pole reversals take tens of thousands of years.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 20, 2011, 12:42 PM NHFT
That would be weird.  Everything upside down.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 12:45 PM NHFT
We shouldn't be around for too much longer... then the earth can finally have her cleanse from all the filth we gave her.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Free libertarian on January 20, 2011, 12:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 20, 2011, 10:06 AM NHFT
There's never been a pole reversal while humans were around.

I don't know about that I've seen Tony S. try to have both sides of the argument simultaneously lots of times.    :P   

(just kidding Tony don't shoot me)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Jim Johnson on January 20, 2011, 04:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 12:45 PM NHFT
We shouldn't be around for too much longer... then the earth can finally have her cleanse from all the filth we gave her.

I would swear that statement is a direct quote from Earth Day 1972.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 20, 2011, 05:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on January 20, 2011, 04:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 12:45 PM NHFT
We shouldn't be around for too much longer... then the earth can finally have her cleanse from all the filth we gave her.

I would swear that statement is a direct quote from Earth Day 1972.

Oh, I hope so because we are still here so that's good news.  :D
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 20, 2011, 05:54 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on January 03, 2011, 11:03 PM NHFT
It looks like a flock of the redwings was caught in the middle of a fireworks celebration.
The timing of the display and the body trauma in the birds seem to fit.

Yeah, sure, that's it.  ::)  It couldn't be that falling thousands/hundreds of feet from the sky caused the body trauma.  :) 

Gee, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this kind of stuff on 4th of July, huh?  ;D
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 20, 2011, 06:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 12:45 PM NHFTWe shouldn't be around for too much longer... then the earth can finally have her cleanse from all the filth we gave her.

The earth can be rid of humans, when we've used up anything of value, and have moved on.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 20, 2011, 06:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on January 20, 2011, 05:54 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on January 03, 2011, 11:03 PM NHFTIt looks like a flock of the redwings was caught in the middle of a fireworks celebration.
The timing of the display and the body trauma in the birds seem to fit.
Yeah, sure, that's it.  ::)  It couldn't be that falling thousands/hundreds of feet from the sky caused the body trauma.  :)

Actually, falling doesn't do all that much damage to birds.  They're pretty light, and have high drag when free-falling, so their terminal velocity is not high.

Terminal velocity on a human is around 120-130mph (terminal velocity is the speed at which the pull of gravity is balanced by the friction of the wind, so you don't fall any faster than that).  Birds are quite a bit less than half that, if I recall the trivia from that fluid dynamics course correctly.

If birds suffered severe trauma from falling, hunting would be a lot different.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 07:15 PM NHFT
1972 to 2011, a mere timeline of only 39 years.. In only the last 100 years have we made the mess.

C'mon now Jim, I supported you on shooting guys in the back..cut me a little slack, lol.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Jim Johnson on January 20, 2011, 07:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 07:15 PM NHFT
1972 to 2011, a mere timeline of only 39 years.. In only the last 100 years have we made the mess.

C'mon now Jim, I supported you on shooting guys in the back..cut me a little slack, lol.

OK, I'll admit I was wrong about defending myself, my friends and my neighbors against a thief if you lay off the crazy end of the world crap.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 07:27 PM NHFT
OK, DEAL!.... but can I keep yapping about the chemtrails?
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Jim Johnson on January 20, 2011, 07:33 PM NHFT
no
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Ron Helwig on January 21, 2011, 10:18 AM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 07:27 PM NHFT
OK, DEAL!.... but can I keep yapping about the chemtrails?

Have you done the math? Can you show how such a tiny amount of material can possibly have any effect when dispersed at altitude? I mean, how much can a plane actually carry?

I wish people would do the math. Then they'd see just how absurd the chemtrails theories really are.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 11:26 AM NHFT
Math? Yes. 

Look at the math in regards to the testing of high levels of aluminum in water and snow samples after aerosol sprayings. ie recent Mt Shasta snowfall test data.

Look at the math and data that Rosalind Peterson has done in California and where it is presented on her webpage.

Look at the math that was admitted in a recent geoengineering conference where the lead speaker openingly admitted to the project of spraying 10-20 million tons of aluminum into the air to combat "global warming."

Look at the math by an independant biologist who tested several soil samples where heavy aerosol spraying was done.

Rosalind Peterson, Michael Murphy and Edward G. Griffin are three reliable sources . And no I won't waste my time posting links and citing data. If anyone has a true interest they are free to research the topic. And no I won't debate it either.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 21, 2011, 11:43 AM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 20, 2011, 12:45 PM NHFT
We shouldn't be around for too much longer... then the earth can finally have her cleanse from all the filth we gave her.

Wow.  :(  So you're part of the crowd who wants to get rid of all the people?
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 12:12 PM NHFT
No, Kat. I am part of the crowd who wants to go back to simple living and live in a way that is not damaging to everything around us. I am not saying we have to live in caves but there are better and cleaner ways to happily exist. Sadly, my beleifs are shared by few. Therefore, what we do to the earth she will do to us. We are witnessing that on so many levels rights now. And as I said earier we have done 99% of the damage in ONLY the last 100 years.
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/kola58/Lancaster_County_Amish_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 12:35 PM NHFT
I still believe it was those chemmies that took down the birdies...and Corexit spraying that is wiping out our fishies.
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/kola58/sunnychems.jpg)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Pat K on January 21, 2011, 01:07 PM NHFT
Son you are gonna be neck deep in horse shit.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: CJS on January 21, 2011, 02:41 PM NHFT

I have some good times teasing a couple of friends I know who are into the chem trails because they get so hot under the coller , but the truth is there is some real hard evidence about what kind of toxins are being found well off the beaten path .

Littlehawk should post the links to those people who have done soil sampling . I have seen some stuff that gets my attention. There really is some compelling evidence .

Just like so many soil samples from " ground zero " are full of explosive residue. It gets hard to just laugh stuff off when you start to see reputable professionals all saying the same thing .

Ron's point has always been my main reason for shooting down the chemtrail believers , but the truth is I have no idea how much of what would be necessary to alter our atmosphere .

I will admit I no I longer just laugh at the topic but I am far from jumping on the bandwagon.

Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 21, 2011, 03:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 11:26 AM NHFTLook at the math in regards to the testing of high levels of aluminum in water and snow samples after aerosol sprayings. ie recent Mt Shasta snowfall test data.

Look at the math and data that Rosalind Peterson has done in California and where it is presented on her webpage.

...

Look at the math by an independant biologist who tested several soil samples where heavy aerosol spraying was done.

Let's imagine that those tests were actually done with scientific rigor.  They weren't, but we'll pretend they are, for the sake of amusement.

That still doesn't prove where the stuff came from.  Even if you filled airplane fuel tanks so full of aluminum and whatnot that the engines wouldn't even run, it couldn't explain the claimed numbers in the soil.

So it's not coming from planes.  If it's actually coming from anywhere (and isn't just a fantasy), it's coming from something else.

Quote from: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 11:26 AM NHFTLook at the math that was admitted in a recent geoengineering conference where the lead speaker openingly admitted to the project of spraying 10-20 million tons of aluminum into the air to combat "global warming."

Yup.  All sorts of things are hypothetically possible.  Do you know that there are two patents on ways to medically create a tapetum lucidum (the thing that gives cats, dogs, and some other animals excellent night vision, and causes their eyes to shine when hit by light at night) in the human eye?  You can read all about the hypothetical possibility.  Doesn't mean any humans actually have eyeshine, unless you could fantasy like the Riddick movies.

Quote from: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 11:26 AM NHFTAnd no I won't waste my time posting links and citing data. If anyone has a true interest they are free to research the topic. And no I won't debate it either.

Doesn't surprise me.  A rational person would always be interested in data and debate.  But there's no convincing a zealot.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 21, 2011, 03:44 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 12:12 PM NHFTTherefore, what we do to the earth she will do to us.

The earth is a rock, with some biomatter splotched around on the surface.  It's a thing.  It doesn't have volition.  It doesn't "fight back" any more than the moss-covered rock in my back yard does, if I break it in half with a sledge and a chisel.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 21, 2011, 04:18 PM NHFT
As I get older the more I find that Science isn't practiced the way I thought it was.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Tom Sawyer on January 21, 2011, 06:23 PM NHFT
Joe "The earth is a rock" and Littlehawk "We should live like the Amish"

Two extreme ends that are wrong.

While I don't worship Gaia, the earth is composed of very complex interactive systems... push one and others react.

Technology allows us to have less impact per capita than primitive ways.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 21, 2011, 07:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 21, 2011, 06:23 PM NHFTJoe "The earth is a rock" and Littlehawk "We should live like the Amish"

Two extreme ends that are wrong.

While I don't worship Gaia, the earth is composed of very complex interactive systems... push one and others react.

Certainly systems react in many ways.

But they don't "defend the earth from the evil humans."  Most of the time, tampering with nature is to humanity's benefit.

The earth is a rock.  It has no volition.  It doesn't defend itself, even as much as a dog will.  If we're smart, we'll learn ways to tamper with it, that cause it to react in ways that benefit us, as much as possible.

Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 21, 2011, 06:23 PM NHFTTechnology allows us to have less impact per capita than primitive ways.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  Folks love PV panels, for example, but the overall impact of that technology (pollution) is negative; the process of manufacturing them uses so much energy and produces so much waste that they will never offset it by generating "free" electricity over their whole lifespan.

The lousy woodstove that came with my current house is horribly inefficient.  It still has less impact on the environment than heating with the top-of-the-like, 98%-efficient propane furnace that I installed in the last house.  That furnace was bordering on total energy capture, but it doesn't matter, given the energy expended to produce and distribute that fuel.

On the other hand, I'm burning some "high tech" logs in that simple woodstove.  They're compressed from waste sawdust by a local company, using electricity generated from bio-fuels (they have an on-site diesel generator, converted to run on waste vegetable oil).  They burn extremely cleanly (running for a week, solid, I finally had enough ash built up to justify cleaning it out of the stove), aren't transported of thousands of miles to get here, and are produced using energy recovered from waste.  Compared to regular cordwood, even, they come out pretty good, and are much more user-friendly.

I'm all for taking care of the environment, but because it benefits us to do so, and only in ways that it benefits us to do so.  If people will benefit more by leaving something untouched for recreation, than they would by mining it, we should leave it untouched.  If people will benefit more by mining the valuable ore, good for them.  The planet won't care; it's just a rock.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 09:44 PM NHFT
I got tired of spoon feeding people who have no real concern for the issue at hand.  It's never good enough for these types.

I do not teach people who choose not to learn. I have better things to do.

I choose not to post oodles of data, stats, links, etc  to support my opinion because I do not care what others think...and basically, I'm lazy. Here on NH Forum, I posted an informative documentary "What in the World Are They Spraying" which is a terrific overview of chemtrails. That's about as far as this zealot will go.  :)

Over the years I have found that  the ones who are TRUELY interested in a topic they always find a way to find the information they need and then they can make their own decision. 

Littlehawk Amishboy

Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 21, 2011, 10:05 PM NHFT
Sounds like the anti-gun folks.  "I just know guns are evil; I don't need to provide evidence."

Sorry, but rational adults require legitimate evidence before they decide to believe something.  They don't decide what they believe, then accept only evidence which agrees with their beliefs, and ignore evidence that refutes their beliefs.

What you're claiming is happening, is physically impossible.  The amounts they claim are dumped, exceed what could physically be dumped by airliners.  It's like claiming that a gallon of milk was spilled from a quart container.  No rational adult will accept such a nonsensical claim.

It's not that "it's never good enough."  You haven't posted reams of evidence backed by hard science, and we won't accept it, anyway.  You've posted nonsense that's false on the face of it, and complained that we won't accept the obvious falsehoods as truth.

Personally, I love to learn.  Provide something I can learn from, if you like.  Even when you provide propaganda, I learn from it, but it only teaches me that you do not value truth.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 10:14 PM NHFT
You are right, Joe. You are very intelligent. 
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: MaineShark on January 21, 2011, 10:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 10:14 PM NHFTYou are right, Joe. You are very intelligent.

Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

There are plenty of intelligent folks who do not grasp basic physics.  There are plenty of folks who are certainly nowhere near being called "intelligent," who do.

Joe
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 10:40 PM NHFT
You are my hero. I want to be just like you.

What are your thoughts in regards to Rosalind Peterson's work?
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: KBCraig on January 22, 2011, 03:06 AM NHFT
Quote from: littlehawk on January 21, 2011, 10:40 PM NHFT
You are my hero. I want to be just like you.

MaineShark asked for actual facts. You gave names of people you said had facts, instead of giving facts.

He asked again for actual citations, and said he would even be willing to read propaganda that he didn't believe.

You respond with sarcasm.

You're not helping your argument here, littlehawk.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 22, 2011, 06:04 AM NHFT
You missed my above posts, KB.

I have no argument. I have no intent to prove anything to closed minds on the topic. If someone has an true interest in the topic they can search it out for themselves.   

15 years ago I talked to people and voiced my opinion about plans for a new world order and was laughed at. About 10 years I talked about the plans for EU and NAU and was laughed at. 15 years ago I talked about the collapse of our fiat currency and was laughed at. I opposed vaccines and spoke up about 40 years ago when 99% of the people thought they were better than sliced bread.  I never bought the bullshit lies when they conedmend one of the perfect foods, the egg and I never bought the bullshit when they tried to convince the masses that hydrogenated margarine was a more healhier choice than real butter. 30 years ago I spoke of the dangers of laboratory made sweeteners like aspartame and was scoffed at as well. 15 years ago I talked to peope and voiced my opionions about the USA becoming a police state and was riducled as well.

Nowadays I choose to throw my opinions around but I am getting to old and I too lazy to waste my time proving a case. As I repeat, if one is interested, one finds a way to get the information. It's pretty easy nowadays with internet.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: KBCraig on January 22, 2011, 06:17 AM NHFT
To wit: you have nothing, other than an insistence that others research to see if they agree with you.
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: littlehawk on January 22, 2011, 08:55 AM NHFT
Incorrect. I have something.    ;)

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered: the point is to doscover them. Galileo
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Pat K on January 23, 2011, 12:27 AM NHFT
You Fracking nutty. Pat K
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Bob on January 23, 2011, 11:50 AM NHFT
I just read, last night, that the governments are intentionally & unintentionally killing all the birds and other animals.
http://www.ktiv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13865540 (http://www.ktiv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13865540)
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_... (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_...)
Anticipating the USDA possibly removing that document, we have posted a copy on NaturalNews servers at:
http://www.naturalnews.com/files/US... (http://www.naturalnews.com/files/US...)
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 24, 2011, 06:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: Bob on January 23, 2011, 11:50 AM NHFT
I just read, last night, that the governments are intentionally & unintentionally killing all the birds and other animals.
http://www.ktiv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13865540 (http://www.ktiv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13865540)
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_... (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_...)
Anticipating the USDA possibly removing that document, we have posted a copy on NaturalNews servers at:
http://www.naturalnews.com/files/US... (http://www.naturalnews.com/files/US...)

Yup, I've read some of this too.  I'm wondering if it could be some kind of cover story, what do you think?    Are they really doing this or is there something they don't want us to know?  I'm not sure how to take it.  :-\  Also, what about the dead fish, manatees, and other animals?
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 04, 2011, 12:44 PM NHFT
since tthey were dying in one small area .... the fireworks or other ideas like that make sense to me
also doesn't it seem like sick birds would fly to the ground and die over time .... not fall from the sky?
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: Raineyrocks on February 04, 2011, 06:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 04, 2011, 12:44 PM NHFT
since tthey were dying in one small area .... the fireworks or other ideas like that make sense to me
also doesn't it seem like sick birds would fly to the ground and die over time .... not fall from the sky?

It all depends if they were sick or if a chemical weapon was used on them at the same time in the same area.  I don't agree with the fireworks story at all.  Wouldn't this happen in droves on 4th of July and we never hear of it? :-\
Title: Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds
Post by: anon88241661 on February 06, 2011, 02:56 PM NHFT
Everyone can play Angry Birds all they want.  But, God tries a round and everyone freaks out.  ;D

I bet it was some kind of weather related event.