This site loads really slow in the morning.
I'll rush right out and fix that.
Thanks
Like molasses this morning.
Cathleen
That happens when the server gets cold overnight because nobody's using it. Give it a while to warm up and everything will be fine. ;D
Is someone crawling the site? Search engines perhaps?
Or is someone that we're not aware of archiving the site?
Dada Orwell has been making lots of contacts. ;)
I thought it was due to the FBI's Carnivore box that's hooked-up to the server now.
Is anybody ever going to do anything about this?
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 18, 2007, 07:58 AM NHFT
Is anybody ever going to do anything about this?
I will, if someone gives me the required access. I'll even do the work for free, just because it annoys me so much. :icon_crashcomp:
OK......I don't know how these things work. Can some one explain a few things for me.
This forum and the boring fsp forum look identical.
Why is it that any time of day I can go to the fsp forum and the thing does everything with lightning speed. Also I can put it in my bookmarks and I can return to that page.
When I go to this forum I never know what I am going to get. This morning it has taken over 5 minutes for some of these pages to open. During these times I can open up fsp forum and get lightning, so, I know its not on my end. Although I put the nhfree
forum in my bookmarks, when I click I get the damn webpage! I have to click on forum and wait.
Yet another problem. If I am writing a post and click on google to get any info I might need to complete the post and I try to back out back to my post, most of the time I get the webpage again.
nhfree.com is just a "shadow" for: http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php
The forum is at: http://forum.soulawakenings.com/
For the other problem you're having, I suggest developing a habit of opening up a new browser window in order to search for something on google.
I don't know, however, why the forum is so slow in the morning. I never looked into it.
As Lloyd pointed out, if you don't really care, a site will load in a flash.
May we then agree that it has become axiomatic that the speed at which any page loads is indirectly proportional to the urgency any user feels the need to view it?
(OTOH, the slow loading this morning actually prevented me from making a smartass, "duh" style post in reply to someone else's idiocy! :) )
I'm sure Kat knows how to employ a robots.txt file to keep spiders out.
Lloyd isn't imagining things -- this time! It happens pretty much every morning.
Quote from: error on January 18, 2007, 08:55 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 18, 2007, 07:58 AM NHFT
Is anybody ever going to do anything about this?
I will, if someone gives me the required access. I'll even do the work for free, just because it annoys me so much. :icon_crashcomp:
I think the hamster takes a break in the morning that is why the pages get served up slowly. Or it could just be that maintenance programs are being run on the server and consuming resources, it would suck if a hard drive failed and the entire site had to be rebuilt from scratch.
If elected president will you do with the economy what you achieved with your cattle futures.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 08, 2007, 12:06 PM NHFT
If elected president will you do with the economy what you achieved with your cattle futures.
Uh...
moo?
Quote from: eques on February 08, 2007, 12:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 08, 2007, 12:06 PM NHFT
If elected president will you do with the economy what you achieved with your cattle futures.
Uh...
moo?
I think that belongs in a 'Stop Hillary' thread... LOL
Seeing as she has $11M already and I think spent $30M on her senate campaign, she could fund healthcare with that instead of taxing all of us.
@#$!@!@$
QuoteThat happens when the server gets cold overnight because nobody's using it. Give it a while to warm up and everything will be fine.
Lies! I keep the server company on those long, cold nights... O.o
Seriously, most servers are set to run a list of house-keeping chores sometime in the early morning. It may be that one or more of these tasks is getting a bit large for the server to handle speedily, thus slowing down the main attraction. If that is the case, there are many potential ways to address this, though some of those ways are easier to implement than others.
Why don't they do what shelf stockers in your local supermarket should do..........do it when the bulk of your customers are asleep!
that is probabaly not the explanation for our morning problems .... normal unix servers do stuff at midnight or 1am. The bots also visit alot during the night.
So?
I would like to see improvement too. It was so bad this morning that I gave up after about 5 minutes and it still hadn't loaded.
Cathleen
I've finally just decided to go do other things in the mornings, like maybe work.
Quote from: error on February 08, 2007, 05:50 PM NHFT
I've finally just decided to go do other things in the mornings, like maybe work.
I think Unix does it's thing at midnight unless you tamper with it. I think it was just busy busy.....or the server could have been rebooting...
All of my boxes do their daily stuff at 4 am. And something's wrong if they aren't done by 4:30. And something's REALLY wrong if I happen to notice.
The default anacron for my system runs in the 6:00am hour. I haven't changed it because I haven't needed to.
Without more information, I'm not going to be the one to guess what's going on.
--- Cory Ringdahl <support@he.net> wrote:
> Our backup processes run from about 3am PST to 6am
> PST. This includes an incremental backup of all
> customer data on the server and new web hosting
> accounts being added.
>
> Cory.
I'm asking them if their backup jobs can be run a little earlier, or if they can spread them out.
Yep, those are exactly the times everyone's having trouble.
exactly
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 12, 2007, 03:06 PM NHFT
--- Cory Ringdahl <support@he.net> wrote:
> Our backup processes run from about 3am PST to 6am
> PST. This includes an incremental backup of all
> customer data on the server and new web hosting
> accounts being added.
>
> Cory.
I'm asking them if their backup jobs can be run a little earlier, or if they can spread them out.
Obviously there has been no change. Can you move this to a provider that will respond. Also, when I quote someone there is a seperate box below the one I am typing in with the message:
we can't allow them to continue - don't let them know the IP is the reason - give an id so I'll know the problem
What is this about?
Anytime I try to reply to a post, I have to wait 20-40 seconds before I can start typing. Is this due to the site, my computer (brand new 5 months ago) or the feds engaging in some form of nonsense?
???
Turn on Quick Reply. It's ... quicker.
Gracias, mi amigo!
I couldn't load anything from the Childish Board this morning, and then when I could, the "Forum Nazi" thread was gone!
Goddamit! :-X What was that all about? :-*
I don't know about the loading, but I moved "forum nazi" thread to Endless debate and whining, since it so clearly fell into the whining category :)
The tech support guys at he.net told me I was SOL on the slow loading. I've written to the owner of HE, who is someone I know from CA.
What is the total cost of running this forum for a fixed time period (e.g. monthly)?
The owner of HE got back with me and said he's moved the maintenance/backup programs to midnight pacific time.
Are you sure the problem wasn't Kat's fault for posting 10,000+ messages? ;)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 18, 2007, 07:12 AM NHFT
I don't know about the loading, but I moved "forum nazi" thread to Endless debate and whining, since it so clearly fell into the whining category :)
:)
That's why the forum was so slow last night while I was trying to use it at 1 in the morning!
/me tries to get this thread moved to Endless Debate and Whining, too.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 19, 2007, 04:51 AM NHFT
The owner of HE got back with me and said he's moved the maintenance/backup programs to midnight pacific time.
Thanks. But now it's slow at midnight pacific time! :( (And technically I can't think of any legitimate technical reason for it to be slow.)
Maybe they are giving the hamsters a break....greasing the wheel......or sumpthin
Same old shit this morning
Yea I think the Feds might be looking closer because of Dada's court date. >:D
Holy Shit! 213 guests!
Well, there's: Homeland Security, FBI, Justice Dept., State Police, Governor's office, CIA, Local police depts., however many press people, Kathy Sullivan's office. Have I missed any?
That's a lot of folks trying to keep tabs on us. ;)
Quote from: AlanM on March 12, 2007, 09:21 AM NHFT
Well, there's: Homeland Security, FBI, Justice Dept., State Police, Governor's office, CIA, Local police depts., however many press people, Kathy Sullivan's office. Have I missed any?
That's a lot of folks trying to keep tabs on us. ;)
You forgot about the NWO, and the Illuminati. >:D
Same SHIT....different day
Are the owners of this forum ever going to address this problem in the morning?
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on March 26, 2007, 06:40 AM NHFT
Are the owners of this forum ever going to address this problem in the morning?
They will probably address it at night
Since I'm not paying the bill here, I vote that they find more hamsters for the drive wheel!
Don't fret overmuch, Lloyd, it could be worse: you could also have to contend with everyone piling onto the same anonymizing proxy server you use in the early A.M., slowing you down even further beyond the forum's own sluggishness. ... >.<
Quote from: penguins4me on March 26, 2007, 07:25 AM NHFT
Since I'm not paying the bill here, I vote that they find more hamsters for the drive wheel!
Don't fret overmuch, Lloyd, it could be worse: you could also have to contend with everyone piling onto the same anonymizing proxy server you use in the early A.M., slowing you down even further beyond the forum's own sluggishness. ... >.<
I think they tried to add electricity to the hamsters. Still trying to get the correct voltage level. >:D
At 8:45 in the morning the forum is STILL slower than it should be, though faster than it was at 3:00.
Since I RUN one of these boards (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/), I'm well aware of how fast it should be while maintenance stuff is going on in the background. You should never, never notice, and in fact you don't on that board, even when a full off-site backup is in progress!
I could not tolerate such poor service, even -- especially -- from someone I know personally. I would find it insulting, to say the least. :(
Has anything changed in the last couple weeks? Things have REALLY started slowing down here for me. Takes forever for a link to come up after I click it.
Quote from: lildog on April 04, 2007, 02:56 PM NHFT
Has anything changed in the last couple weeks? Things have REALLY started slowing down here for me. Takes forever for a link to come up after I click it.
Yes, it's gotten slow even later in the morning than ever before.
I wish:
1. For the site to move somewhere where "forum.nhfree.com" would actually freakin' work properly
2. For the site to move somewhere where it would get decent performance during more of the hours in the day
Seriously, what's it gonna take to make that happen?
Error, will you Make It So if Kat requests?
Kat, will you request such if I promise to tell everyone else at the MVP meeting this weekend to buy your awesome salsa?
Quote from: d_goddard on April 04, 2007, 05:05 PM NHFT
1. For the site to move somewhere where "forum.nhfree.com" would actually freakin' work properly
This should be fixed (or at least worked around) already. Try clearing your cache. (I will note that it took almost two years (http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=1116.0) to get this even somewhat sorted out.)
Quote from: d_goddard on April 04, 2007, 05:05 PM NHFT
2. For the site to move somewhere where it would get decent performance during more of the hours in the day
Seriously, what's it gonna take to make that happen?
Error, will you Make It So if Kat requests?
Kat, will you request such if I promise to tell everyone else at the MVP meeting this weekend to buy your awesome salsa?
This isn't likely to happen. :( It would almost certainly require leaving the current web hosting provider entirely, and I am told that the current web hosting provider is owned by a very long time personal friend of the family.
Quote from: error on April 04, 2007, 05:54 PM NHFT
Quote from: d_goddard on April 04, 2007, 05:05 PM NHFT
1. For the site to move somewhere where "forum.nhfree.com" would actually freakin' work properly
This should be fixed (or at least worked around) already.
The workaround is just a redirect and I'm not that thrilled with it.
What I'd love is an actual DNS alias, not just a redirect.
Good luck.
Quote from: d_goddardThe workaround is just a redirect and I'm not that thrilled with it.
What I'd love is an actual DNS alias, not just a redirect.
Who controls the DNS for nhfree.com? I run a server which handles, among other things, DNS for several domains, and adding additional aliases for a specific IP is a cinch! Moreover, configuring apache to use multiple URIs for a single site is also a cinch.
Okay, after eyeballing the DNS for the two sites, it appears that all that has to happen here is that
forum.nhfree.com's A record be changed to point to
66.160.132.20, or even a CNAME of
forum.soulawakenings.com (though I'm sure the latter violates some RFC or another). Regardless, either change should resolve the domain conflict issues (cookies, etc.).
You can't point forum.nhfree.com at this IP address and expect anything useful to happen unless the Web site is serving something under the name forum.nhfree.com. Otherwise all you'll get is, well, the default web site "Kat Dillon".
Exactly. And since forum.soulawakenings.com is running apache, it is a snap to have that web server serve up the same site as it does when addressed by forum.nhfree.com by using the ServerAlias directive.
e.g.:
ServerName forum.soulawakenings.com
ServerAlias forum.nhfree.com
If SMF is even remotely sane, that's all that needs to be done! :)
Hey wait a minute. Last time I looked, it was running on a Windows box. WTF? So why is it running slow?
And if it really is a Unix box why don't you just turn on the built-in spell check instead of bothering with that stupid cow?
If it really is Unix then maybe this slow thing is fixable.
Overlooking possible sarcasm and rhetoric, even though I am heavily biased towards *nix systems, an OS can't compensate for inadequate hardware and/or an overloaded system. I haven't bothered to try to find out who is hosting the forum, nor how many other sites are hosted on the same system (heck, don't think I can, anyhow), but standard practice for a web-hosting company is to cram as many sites as possible onto one system to maximize return on investment. If too many sites have been added *OR* one site starts sucking up a lot of resources, it can bog down a whole server something fierce. This also assumes the problem is the server hardware and not the connectivity, though this could be checked quickly if one other site on a seperate server is reachable during times of sluggishness for this forum.
As for the *nix spellchecker, SMF would have to have a hook or other component to take advantage of whatever spell-checker the system might have (aspell, Ispell, etc.) in order to use it with the forums. It may just be as simple as logging into SMF's control panel and adding a line, or it could be next to impossible - I don't use SMF, so I don't know. :/ In either case, it seems that the Spelling Cow was easier to implement. If it bothers you that much, and you use Firefox, try the Noscript (http://noscript.net/) extension to get rid of it (and many other annoyances).
Quote from: error on April 05, 2007, 06:54 AM NHFT
If it really is Unix then maybe this slow thing is fixable.
this forum is run on a linux server ... I don't think that Kat can change things very easily ... so she doesn't ..... she also is sick of hearing complains so she doesn't even read these threads anymore.
If one of you guys wants to start a similar forum to this one, maybe some of us should hang out on that one. I get annoyed with how slow this one is.
I use the one I have on the Keene Free Press, but that might not be the best answer.
We could use the ftlive one or the strike-the-root one also. We could just drag all those guys into our nh activism. :)
Quote from: penguins4me on April 05, 2007, 07:45 AM NHFT
Overlooking possible sarcasm and rhetoric, even though I am heavily biased towards *nix systems, an OS can't compensate for inadequate hardware and/or an overloaded system. I haven't bothered to try to find out who is hosting the forum, nor how many other sites are hosted on the same system (heck, don't think I can, anyhow), but standard practice for a web-hosting company is to cram as many sites as possible onto one system to maximize return on investment. If too many sites have been added *OR* one site starts sucking up a lot of resources, it can bog down a whole server something fierce. This also assumes the problem is the server hardware and not the connectivity, though this could be checked quickly if one other site on a seperate server is reachable during times of sluggishness for this forum.
There's no sarcasm here whatsoever. Just a little bit of shock. :o Since you don't seem to be familiar with the background on the technical issues behind this forum, but appear to have an uninformed opinion anyway, (Okay, maybe there is some sarcasm here) here's some information for you.
Among many other things, I run the Free Talk Live BBS, which is on the same software, and on a Linux server. It used to be on a Windows server. So I've become quite familiar with SMF, its capabilities and its weaknesses. I've also tried before to look into what the slow issue is on this forum. But since it seemed to be Windows at the time, I got nowhere.
I was also under the impression that nobody else (http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/) but Kat's sites are on this particular server. (And since it is Linux after all, maybe I can identify or even fix the problem. I sent Kat some PMs about this already.)
Quote from: penguins4me on April 05, 2007, 07:45 AM NHFT
As for the *nix spellchecker, SMF would have to have a hook or other component to take advantage of whatever spell-checker the system might have (aspell, Ispell, etc.) in order to use it with the forums. It may just be as simple as logging into SMF's control panel and adding a line, or it could be next to impossible - I don't use SMF, so I don't know. :/ In either case, it seems that the Spelling Cow was easier to implement. If it bothers you that much, and you use Firefox, try the Noscript (http://noscript.net/) extension to get rid of it (and many other annoyances).
SMF includes a built-in spell check feature. The feature, however, only works on Linux systems, and only if you turn on the simple checkbox to enable it. Oh, and only if your web host has put pspell support in PHP. On every Linux box I've installed it's already been enabled, but some places might have turned it off for who knows what reason. It's also not annoying to certain people, like the spelling cow. :)
It always surprises me when some host has disabled common features like spell check on "behalf" of their web hosting clients. You can click the question mark there, and SMF will happily tell you if the hosting provider has failed to turn on PHP's pspell support. If that's all it is, they can just turn it back on (http://www.php.net/pspell).
P.S. Of course I use Firefox. See the attached screenshot to find out what else I use.
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Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 09:31 AM NHFT
this forum is run on a linux server ... I don't think that Kat can change things very easily ... so she doesn't ..... she also is sick of hearing complains so she doesn't even read these threads anymore.
Tell Kat that she can go back through her old PMs on this issue. If she can get me an SSH account up on the server then I'll take a look and see if I can find out what's causing the problem. It doesn't have to be a privileged account (unless she wants me to actually FIX it).
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 09:31 AM NHFT
If one of you guys wants to start a similar forum to this one, maybe some of us should hang out on that one. I get annoyed with how slow this one is.
I've been meaning to start a forum for a while now, so... without further ado... the Homeland Stupidity Forum (http://forum.homelandstupidity.us/).
Quote from: error on April 06, 2007, 06:41 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 09:31 AM NHFT
If one of you guys wants to start a similar forum to this one, maybe some of us should hang out on that one. I get annoyed with how slow this one is.
I've been meaning to start a forum for a while now, so... without further ado... the Homeland Stupidity Forum (http://forum.homelandstupidity.us/).
OK, Russell, I started the forum, now where are you? :) You're missing the guy who wrapped himself inside a giant plastic bag with a fire extinguisher and set it off, more abuse at Walter Reed, and more. And hardly anyone has posted yet!
I might have to .... although your forum is not centered around our revolution in The Shire .... it is more about making fun of homeland security .... which is just a hobby for me. :)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 07, 2007, 08:11 AM NHFT
I might have to .... although your forum is not centered around our revolution in The Shire .... it is more about making fun of homeland security .... which is just a hobby for me. :)
Oh, I also make fun of stupid people, and the military, and whatever else comes to mind.
It's also up and running 24 hours a day.
Besides, everyone should spend some time on their hobbies. All revolution and no play... :)
I can post when we hassle the tsa .... like next friday, when we visit the airport.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 07, 2007, 08:24 AM NHFT
I can post when we hassle the tsa .... like next friday, when we visit the airport.
:)
I will be there on Wed!
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 07, 2007, 08:24 AM NHFT
I can post when we hassle the tsa .... like next friday, when we visit the airport.
Ooo, I missed that on the calendar. I'll maybe even make it out to witness this.
I am thinking we need a forum to discuss our plans and ideas for activities here in nh. Our current forum is killing me and Kat told me to stop nagging her.
What are your ideas? Should we use another existing forum? Should we start another one? What domain should it be under?
I could put it on my Keene Free Press server or the one I have from Seth, if others would help me admin it. We could us FTlive or strike-the-root. I don't care that much. I just want a place to plan our nonviolent revolution.
I was just getting errors that SMF was not able to connect to the database.
You can use my forum to plan the nonviolent revolution. As an added bonus, the government bureaucrats are already reading it! :)
1. URL
No matter what happens, the site needs to be accessible via the URL "nhfree.com"
It's totally catchy and we have circulated so much material with that URL on it, it would be a waste to leave it.
2. Other Forums
strike-the-root is interesting has real smart posters, but is slow. Our sheer numbers would overwhelm it and we'd be back to bitching about how slow things are.
The FTL BBS is fast and cool; I have no doubt that homelandstupidity will also be fast and cool.
But, like STR, those forums are not NH-centric. The whole point of this exercise is to concentrate our efforts and Make Something Happen.
I love having those other sites as general-interest "feeders" -- people get the message, hang out there, and when they start to realize how oppressive their state is, come join us first on NHFree, then in NH.
That pretty much leaves us with:
3. Move the current Forum and domain name to a faster server
That way, Kat and Russ (and the other moderators) can keep their current level of access.
If I recall correctly, Error has posted that he knows good fast hosting options, and that he'd help with the low-level configuration and system administration.
Anything I can do to make option #3 a reality, just let me know.
Kat is thinking that she wants to move the forum to another server.
We would put it under nhfree.com
This morning has got to be the worst. In 2 hours I was able to make two postings and read maybe three others.
Cathleen
Bizarre.
It's probably something simple and easily fixed (even if the easy fix is moving to another server).
My offer to take a look (for FREE, even!) is still open.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 10, 2007, 08:29 AM NHFT
I am thinking we need a forum to discuss our plans and ideas for activities here in nh. Our current forum is killing me and Kat told me to stop nagging her.
What are your ideas? Should we use another existing forum? Should we start another one? What domain should it be under?
I could put it on my Keene Free Press server or the one I have from Seth, if others would help me admin it. We could us FTlive or strike-the-root. I don't care that much. I just want a place to plan our nonviolent revolution.
I had a PM from Russell asking for my input on this topic when I signed in tonight. I'm sad that the Blue Light Gang kidnapped him before I could read it or reply. :(
I did reply, suggesting options 1 and 3 above, and that perhaps the nonviolent revolution planning could spin-off to another forum so that Russell and Kat won't need to host, pay for, and moderate this whole wonderful giant place any longer.
I'd be glad to help admin/moderate either or both. Being an admin here is truly an honor, as is knowing the Kannings. :)
I will voice again my opinion that we shouldn't spin off any "different" activity. This forum has a wide audience. It is well publicized as NHfree. I see people arriving in NH or this forum with one set of ideas and over time getting a a more thorough understanding of freedom and the challenges we face. Spinning off into different forums would turn into "this discussion doesn't belong" as people explore their beliefs.
Having a number of moderators is good, but to relieve Kat from stress and overwork, maybe we need additional administrators. Split duties, or something.
Cathleen
Quote from: cathleeninnh on April 11, 2007, 09:25 AM NHFT
I will voice again my opinion that we shouldn't spin off any "different" activity. This forum has a wide audience. It is well publicized as NHfree. I see people arriving in NH or this forum with one set of ideas and over time getting a a more thorough understanding of freedom and the challenges we face. Spinning off into different forums would turn into "this discussion doesn't belong" as people explore their beliefs.
Having a number of moderators is good, but to relieve Kat from stress and overwork, maybe we need additional administrators. Split duties, or something.
Cathleen
No need for my comments Cathleen said them... :D