Will try and post a quote daily. Here's the first.
"Civil disobedience is the assertion of a right which law should give but which it denies." Gandhi
"Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state has becomes lawless or, which is the same thing, corrupt. " --Gandhi
I'm on a Gandhi kick now. I'd say our state has become lawless and corrupt.
"Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just [wo]man is also a prison."
-Henry David Thoreau
"If a law is of such nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law."
-Henry David Thoreau
"Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it."
-Albert Einstein
"Human history begins with man's act of disobedience which is at the very same time the beginning of his freedom and development of his reason."
-Erich Fromm, Psychoanalysis and Religion
"Every actual state is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well."
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
"It is not so desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right."
-Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience, 1849
"As long as the world shall last there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever."
-Clarence Darrow
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."
-Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."
-Archbishop Desmond Tutu
"It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man's shoulders."
-Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobedience
"The golden rule is to act fearlessly upon what one believes to be right."
-Gandhi
"Freedom is like birth. Till we are fully free, we are slaves."
-Gandhi
"True morality consists not in following the beaten track, but in finding out the true path for ourselves and in fearlessly following it."
-Gandhi
"Nonviolent non-cooperation with evil means cooperation with all that is good."
-Gandhi
"Noncooperation is intended to pave the way to real, honorable and voluntary cooperation based on mutual respect and trust."
-Gandhi
Gandhi's quotes on women:
"Woman is more fitted than man to make exploration and take bolder action in nonviolence."
"If by strength is meant moral power, then woman is immeasurably man's superior."
"If nonviolence is the law of our being, the future is with women."
"Woman, I hold, is the personification of self-sacrifice, but unfortunately today she does not realize what tremendous advantage she has over man."
"So long as a man does not of his own free will put himself last among his fellow creatures, there is no salvation for him. Ahimsa [self sacrifice] is the farthest limit of humility."
-Gandhi
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on March 24, 2005, 10:01 AM NHFT
"So long as a man does not of his own free will put himself last among his fellow creatures, there is no salvation for him. Ahimsa [self sacrifice] is the farthest limit of humility."
-Gandhi
I can't agree with this one. To me, it is the essence of socialism. Placing myself, (and by extension my loved ones), last, is giving up myself, and my love. To love someone implies value, that I value someone above others. To love yourself you must value yourself.
Quote from: AlanM on March 24, 2005, 10:19 AM NHFT
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on March 24, 2005, 10:01 AM NHFT
"So long as a man does not of his own free will put himself last among his fellow creatures, there is no salvation for him. Ahimsa [self sacrifice] is the farthest limit of humility."
-Gandhi
I can't agree with this one. To me, it is the essence of socialism. Placing myself, (and by extension my loved ones), last, is giving up myself, and my love. To love someone implies value, that I value someone above others. To love yourself you must value yourself.
Yeah, that thought crossed my mind as well, but the words "of his own free will" makes me believe strongly in this statement. Disobedience to a powerful authority results in great suffering, and it is the rarest and purest form of voluntary self-sacrifice.
Gandhi went too far on the concept of nonviolence, even to propose that people lay down their arms and allow the Nazis to take over their countries and kill them, as long as they refused their allegience to the Nazis. However, I believe Gandhi had some great insights into the roll of disobedience and self-sacrifice.
I think the real essense of the non-violent, non-cooperation approach is that it forces the state to show itself for what it truly is, an agent of force, pure and simple. Those in charge of the state would like people to live with this comfortable illusion that they're here to help us. As long as the cause being put forth among the protesters is just, the illusion that the state is here to help us is ripped away when they are forced to use violence against us.
As an example, imagine the impact of the Burbanks and Myrtle refusing to cooperate with the authorites on this injustice in Hampton--if they refuse to cooperate until the city finds it must use violence against two women, one 96 years old. Not that I'm advocating them doing so, just using that as an example.
Just thinking "out loud" now...there have been many incidents of old ladies/old men/children being tased by the police in this country. There is no uproar over it among the general population. Have they been too anestetized to react? Is it not on a large enough scale to get a large reaction? Does it need a purpose: purposefully defying authority?
75th anniversary of Gandhi's salt march (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2027&ncid=2027&e=2&u=/chitribts/20050323/ts_chicagotrib/gandhitrekagrandspectacle)
Quote from: katdillon on March 24, 2005, 11:56 AM NHFT
Just thinking "out loud" now...there have been many incidents of old ladies/old men/children being tased by the police in this country.? There is no uproar over it among the general population.? Have they been too anestetized to react?? Is it not on a large enough scale to get a large reaction?? Does it need a purpose:? purposefully defying authority?
Civil disobedience is, by definition, setting up the government in order to show its cruelty to all. It means to plan and carry out an act, resulting in a harsh negative reaction from the government, that causes the general public to see the suffering caused by government's reaction.
It is a method of creating change that works very well, but the media must pay attention for it to work. The story must be told by someone who can report from a perspective favorable to those suffering due to the government's reaction.
Gandhi planned his civil disobedience in public. It was no secret what he was going to do and what the desired effect would be.
What we have here-is a complete lack of repect for the law.
Bufford T Justice
Quote from: Pat K on March 29, 2005, 07:38 PM NHFT
What we have here-is a complete lack of repect for the law.
Bufford T Justice
"If Junior can get up every mornin' and tie his shoes and take a pee, I'm not impressed. I'm amazed!"
Buford T. Justice
The moment a slave resolves that he will no longer be a slave, his fetters fall. He frees himself and shows the way to others. Freedom and slavery are mental states. Therefore the first thing is to say to yourself, "I shall no longer accept the role of a slave. I shall not obey orders as such but shall disobey when they are in conflict with my conscience." The so-called master may lash you and try to force you to serve him. You will say, "No, I will not serve you for your money or under a threat." This may mean suffering. Your readiness to suffer will light the torch of freedom which can never be put out.
--Gandhi
"Let's go burn something."
Russell Kanning
"ATF: Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms.
Who's bringing the chips?"
-- anonymous t-shirt
"Bring out yer dead Bring out yer dead"
"19 terrorists in 6 weeks have been able to command 300 million North Americans to do away with the entirety of their civil liberties that took 700 years to advance from the Magna Carta onward. The terrorists have already won the political and ideological war with one terrorist act. It is mindboggling that we are that weak as a society."
-- Rocco Galati
Quote from: KBCraig on April 01, 2005, 10:41 PM NHFT
"ATF: Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms.
Who's bringing the chips?"
-- anonymous t-shirt
ATF
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Quote from: Erethizon on April 02, 2005, 02:55 AM NHFT
"19 terrorists in 6 weeks have been able to command 300 million North Americans to do away with the entirety of their civil liberties that took 700 years to advance from the Magna Carta onward. The terrorists have already won the political and ideological war with one terrorist act. It is mindboggling that we are that weak as a society."
-- Rocco Galati
OMG! Great quote! Sadly true :(
Quote from: katdillon on April 01, 2005, 05:07 PM NHFT
The moment a slave resolves that he will no longer be a slave, his fetters fall.? He frees himself and shows the way to others.? Freedom and slavery are mental states.? Therefore the first thing is to say to yourself, "I shall no longer accept the role of a slave.? I shall not obey orders as such but shall disobey when they are in conflict with my conscience."? The so-called master may lash you and try to force you to serve him. You will say, "No, I will not serve you for your money or under a threat." This may mean suffering. Your readiness to suffer will light the torch of freedom which can never be put out.
--Gandhi
Amazing.
" Rain don't stick to the blade of your snow shovel"
My old Navy buddy Chuck
"We might as well be playing pick up sticks with our butt cheeks."
John Candy in planes trains and automobiles
"Corrupted freemen are the worst of slaves."
-David Garrick
"I didn't know I was a slave until I found out I couldn't do the things I wanted."
-Frederick Douglass
"Life without the courage for death is slavery"
-Seneca, Roman philosopher
"The slave of fear: the worst of slaveries."
-George Bernard Shaw
"In thinking of America, I sometimes find myself admiring her bright blue sky-her grand old woods-her fertile fields-her beautiful rivers-her mighty lakes and star-crowned mountains. But my rapture is soon checked when I remember that all is cursed with the infernal spirit of slave-holding and wrong; When I remember that with the waters of her noblest rivers, the tears of my brethren are borne to the ocean, disregarded and forgotten; That her most fertile fields drink daily of the warm blood of my outraged sisters, I am filled with unutterable loathing."
-Frederick Douglass
"What a curious phenomenon it is that you can get men to die for the liberty of the world who will not make the little sacrifice that is needed to free themselves from their own individual bondage."
-Bruce Barton
"The blunting effects of slavery upon the slaveholder's moral perceptions are known and conceded the world over; and a privileged class, an aristocracy, is but a band of slaveholders under another name."
-Mark Twain
"Slavery is now no where more patiently endured, than in countries once inhabited by the zealots of liberty."
-Samuel Johnson
"Slavery is so intolerable a condition that the slave can hardly escape deluding himself into thinking that he is choosing to obey his master's commands when, in fact, he is obliged to."
-W. H. Auden
"I would have the Constitution torn in shreds and scattered to the four winds of heaven. Let us destroy the Constitution and build on its ruins the temple of liberty. I have brothers in slavery. I have seen chains placed on their limbs and beheld them captive."
-William Wells Brown
"Blood is a cleansing and sanctifying thing, and the nation that regards it as the final horror has lost its manhood... there are many things more horrible than bloodshed, and slavery is one of them!"
-George Gissing
"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"
-Patrick Henry
"Pervading nationalism imposes its dominion on man today in many different forms and with an aggressiveness that spares no one. The challenge that is already with us is the temptation to accept as true freedom what in reality is only a new form of slavery."
-Pope John Paul II (He said that??? :o)
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind."
-Bob Marley
"Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."
-Alexis de Tocqueville
"No trace of slavery ought to mix with the studies of the freeborn man. No study, pursued under compulsion, remains rooted in the memory."
-Plato
"Being born is like being kidnapped. And then sold into slavery."
-Andy Warhol
The Matrix Quotes
"Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there... like a splinter in you're mind, driving you mad."
"You are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison... for your mind."
"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."
-Morpheus, The Matrix
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"Have you ever stood and stared at it? Marveled at it's beauty? It's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives... oblivious."
-Agent Anderson, The Matrix
Here's one Evan Nappen sent out today:
"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We WANT them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
AUTHOR: Henry Louis Mencken (1880?1956)
QUOTATION: The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
Quote from: katdillon on April 08, 2005, 05:37 AM NHFT
Here's one Evan Nappen sent out today:
"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We WANT them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
When I read this idea in Atlas Shrugged a dozen or so years ago, it caused me to follow the road of freedom.
"The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality." ---H.L. Mencken
I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Toto.
Dorathy
Here's a thought for today:
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere. - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1846), U.S. President, Letter to Abigail Adams, 22 February 1787
From Charlie Reese today: " Politicians have a bad habit of surrounding themselves with bootlickers and fawning little brats with more ambition than brains."
Don't join the ranks of bootlickers and fawning little brats.
Can we be bootkickers, with baseball bats?
From today's New Hampshire Sunday News:
"The most important thing for you to know is that this government cares about you." - Andrew Card, chief of staff to President Bush, to McIntosh College graduates.
Quote from: John on May 22, 2005, 06:27 AM NHFT
From today's New Hampshire Sunday News:
"The most important thing for you to know is that this government cares about you."? - Andrew Card, chief of staff to President Bush, to McIntosh College graduates.
I think I may puke.
Quote from: John on May 22, 2005, 06:27 AM NHFT
From today's New Hampshire Sunday News:
"The most important thing for you to know is that this government cares about you."? - Andrew Card, chief of staff to President Bush, to McIntosh College graduates.
Isn't that what communist regimes say? Oh yea :-[
Quote from: Pat K on May 22, 2005, 04:42 AM NHFT
Can we be bootkickers, with baseball bats?
How about bootlickers with pitchforks?
Quote from: John on May 22, 2005, 06:27 AM NHFT
"The most important thing for you to know is that this government cares about you." - Andrew Card, chief of staff to President Bush, to McIntosh College graduates.
I bet he also promised them he wouldn't c%@# in their mouths, too.
:o :)
Remember That a Government Big Enough to Give You Everything You Want is Also Big Enough to Take Away Everything You Have - Davy Crockett
Bow Down Before the One You Serve. You're Going to Get What You Deserve - Trent Reznor
It is Dangerous to Be Right When the Government is Wrong - Voltaire
To Oppose Corruption In Government is the Hightest Obligation of Patriotism - G. Edward Griffin
The Strongest Reason for the People to Retain Their Right to Keep and Bear Arms is as a Last Resort to Protect Themselves Against Tyranny in Government - Thomas Jefferson
Democracy is Two Wolves and a Lamb Voting on What to Have for Lunch. Liberty is a Well-Armed Lamb Contesting the Vote - Benjamin Franklin
Quote from: ravelkinbow on June 19, 2005, 10:54 AM NHFT
Bow Down Before the One You Serve. You're Going to Get What You Deserve - Trent Reznor
< - - - Trent Reznor
;D
"Here is the crux of the difference between education and schooling? the former turns on independence, knowledge, ability, comprehension, and integrity; the latter upon obedience."
From "Underground History of American Education" John Taylor Gatto
"What was needed was some kind of halfway house that would train individuals for the halfway lives ordinary people would be more and more called upon to lead. In a utopia of machinery and steam, there could be free lunch for unprecedented numbers?but only if there were chains, bread, and water for the rest, at least for some unknown while. Plans for such a halfway institution as forced schooling (think of it as a training factory or a training mine) came together in Boston, Philadelphia, and New York, drawn by the best minds, for the best motives. They inflicted stupendous damage on the libertarian rights and privileges bequeathed to Americans by the nation?s founders."
From "Underground History of American Education" John Taylor Gatto
It would be much simpler if our present day politicos would be as open about things as this British Parliament member from Southhamptom from the 1700s was in a letter to his constituents upon leaving parliament after receiving complaints regarding an Excise Bill before Parliament:
Gentlemen,
I received yours and am surprised by your insolence in troubling me about the Excise. You know, what I very well know, that I bought you. And I know, what perhaps you think I don't know, you are now selling yourselves to Somebody Else; and I know what you do not know, that I am buying another borough. May God's curse rest lightly upon you all: may your houses be as open and common to all Excise Officers as your wifes and daughters were to me, when I stood for your scoundrel corporation.
Yours, Etc.,
Anthony Henley
Seems like the more things change the more they stay the same. Sounds like present day shenanigans to me, we just don't usually get it in writing.
Found this on antiwar.com:
God hates violence. He has ordained that all men fairly possess their property, not seize it.
? Euripides
I don't believe in god but what does he say about defending property. Another thing god sanctions a lot of violence in the first testiment!
In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place. - Mohandas Gandhi
That's a good one Dawg! 8) So is Lloyd in the sit on the front porch and bark phase? ;)
My dad is just glad to be done with the "slave in the sun" part. He's waiting for the barking part - it should be coming up in a couple years ;)
This was from Heather James' sig line:
"Before you say, "There should be a law", stop and think. All laws authorize
government to use lethal force, at the end of a gun, to see them carried out.
Is the issue REALLY important enough that you want to enable the government
to kill people over it?"
Apply that to licensing laws! If Mike Fisher has resisted being arrested over his manicure, they could have shot him.
http://www.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=58825
"Lynch's indecision is unbecoming in a governor. It makes us doubly glad that the even less decisive John Kerry was not elevated to the highest office in the land. One wishy-washy executive is quite enough."
"Real capitalists don't defraud."
--Unknown
"We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government." James Madison
He [George Bush] was born on third base, but thinks he hit a triple.
Ann Richards
Cowardice asks the question - is it safe?
Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular?
But conscience asks the question - is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position
That is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;
But one must take it because it is right.
Dog's rule #1 for life:
Eat everything and then throw up what you don't want.
Quote from: katdillon on August 26, 2005, 01:39 PM NHFT
Dog's rule #1 for life:
Eat everything and then throw up what you don't want.
Ha!
And if you change your mind you can always eat it again...
Quote from: katdillon on August 26, 2005, 07:29 AM NHFT
Cowardice asks the question - is it safe?
Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular?
But conscience asks the question - is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position
That is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;
But one must take it because it is right.
:-*
Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure. - Robert LeFevre (1911-1986), Political Theorist, Educator, Journalist and Author
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
? Albert Einstein
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?
? Mahatma Gandhi
"No matter how cynical I get, I can't seem to keep up."
-- Nora Ephron
http://www.tompeters.com/entries.php?note=008489.php
"There are people who prefer to say 'Yes,' and there are people who prefer to say 'No.' Those who say 'Yes' are rewarded by the adventures they have, and those who say 'No' are rewarded by the safety they attain."?Improv Wisdom: Don't Prepare, Just Show Up
Patricia Ryan Madson
In all history there is no war which was not hatched by the governments, the governments alone, independent of the interests of the people, to whom war is always pernicious even when successful.
-Leo Tolstoy, author (1828-1910)
"White man and black man, jew and gentile, protestant and catholic, will be able to hold hands and sing in the words of the ancient negro spiritual, "Free at last, free at last. Thank God almighty! We are free at last!""
Martin Luther King Jr.
"In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me -- and by that time there was nobody left to speak up."
Pastor Martin Niemoller, 1945
Do you think they have "come for" any group yet?
.....maybe Branch Dividians
....and the manicurists
"Some days, you just wipe, wipe and wipe, but, your asshole still prints a picture of itself in your shorts!"
Lloyd R. Danforth, 1999
Do I have to ignore all the Spoonerites? ;)
Hey, at least I added a quote! ;)
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 12, 2006, 02:53 PM NHFT
"Some days, you just wipe, wipe and wipe, but, your asshole still prints a picture of itself in your shorts!"
Lloyd R. Danforth, 1999
That was a truely moving quote, Lloyd.
Thank you
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 12, 2006, 02:53 PM NHFT
"Some days, you just wipe, wipe and wipe, but, your asshole still prints a picture of itself in your shorts!"
Lloyd R. Danforth, 1999
Words of wisdom Lloyd... that's why we need the 'ancients'.
(I'm just happy to have someone older than me)
"I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky?....Well, do ya punk?"
Harry Callahan
"Ooh but I still smell her. Women. What could you say? Who made 'em? God must've been a fucking genius. Hair. That hair's everything you know. Have you ever buried your nose in a mountain of curls and just wanted to go to sleep forever? Or lips. And when they touched yours it was like that first swallow of wine after you just crossed the desert. Tits. Hoo-hah! Big ones, little ones. Nipples staring right out at ya, like secret searchlights. Mmm Legs. I don't care if they're Greek columns, or second-hand Steinways, but what's between them... passport to heaven. I need a drink. Yes, Mr Sims, there's only two syllables in this whole wide world worth hearing. Pussy. Hah! Are you listenin' to me son? I'm givin' ya pearls here."
Lt. Col. Frank Slade
Scent of A Woman (1992)
So one of your personas is a male chauvanist, and another a femanazi?
"There ought to be limits to freedom!"
- US presidential candidate Gov. George W. Bush, press conference at the
Texas State House, May 21, 1999
???
"When censorship really works, you'll never notice."
- anonymous Internet/Usenet wisdom (also appears as
"You['ll] never know when censorship works", and
"If censorship really worked, no one would care.")
"90% of everything is crap."
- "Sturgeon's Law", Theodore Sturgeon
Note: Refer to Lloyd's quote below... ;D
Quote from: free55 on January 16, 2006, 02:23 PM NHFT
"90% of everything is crap."
? - "Sturgeon's Law", Theodore Sturgeon
Note:? Refer to Lloyd's quote below... ;D
Wow! You know what Lloyd is going to say in the future?
I have my thread sorted with new posts at the end. ;D
An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens. --Thomas Jefferson
"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
nothin', it ain't nothin' honey, if it ain't free"
Janis Joplin (singer)
from Me and Bobby Magee
Kris Kristoferson, singer, actor,poet,songwriter and Rhodes Scholar, wrote 'Me and Bobby Magee"
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 07, 2006, 07:48 AM NHFT
Kris Kristoferson, singer, actor,poet,songwriter and Rhodes Scholar, wrote 'Me and Bobby Magee"
And was an Army helicopter pilot, FWIW.
"It does not take a majority to prevail...but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams
See .... even Sam Adams liked fires.
It could have been a promotion gimmick to sell more beer. You know how guys like to put out the fire after drinking beer.
"Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army."
- Edward Everett
:wav:
"A Russian should rejoice if Poland, the Baltic Provinces, Finland, Armenia, should be separated, freed from Russia; so with an Englishman in regard to Ireland, India and other possessions; and each should help to do this, because the greater the state, the more wrong and cruel is its patriotism, and the greater is the sum of suffering upon which its power is founded. Therefore, if we really wish to be what we profess to be, we must not only cease our present desire for the growth of the state, but we must desire its decrease, its weakening, and help this forward with all our might."
Leo Tolstoy, from "Writings on Civil Disobedience and Nonviolence," written in 1886.
'It was the question of what responsibility a righteous man owes to society'
Edmund Morgan writing about John Winthrop.
What did John Winthrop do?
Quote from: russellkanning on February 16, 2006, 05:13 PM NHFT
What did John Winthrop do?
Founded Massachusetts Bay Colony.
He left England (secession!) to find a better life for the Puritans.
'It is impossible to extricate oneself from the questions in which your age is involved. You can no more keep out of politics than you can keep out of the frost.'
Ralph Waldo Emerson
:)
BTW, I've been taking quotes from here for the Keene Free Press...to stick in little corners in the paper.
There's always someone telling you not to do something. The main thing is just to ignore them. - Tim Robbins
"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people
whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all in their separate
and individual capacities."
- assassinated U.S. President Abraham Lincoln
:notworthy:
Quote from: free55 on February 17, 2006, 09:57 PM NHFT
"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people
whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all in their separate
and individual capacities."
- assassinated U.S. President Abraham Lincoln
:notworthy:
... Because in their separate and individual capacities, they can't suspend writs of habeus corpus, arrest opposing legislators, and invade free and sovereign states. I guess ol' Abe had a point. :protest:
LOL, Kevin.
Lincoln-worship = :puke:
I am glad we don't have to vote on everything we need to have done, but cannot do by ourselves.
Can you imagine our food being provided by the government and we had to vote for our choices?
Quote from: free55 on February 17, 2006, 09:57 PM NHFT
"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people
whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all in their separate
and individual capacities."
- assassinated U.S. President Abraham Lincoln
:notworthy:
I, Pencil (http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Essays/rdPncl1.html)
When I first read this essay.......er, a million years ago, I set about to make my own pencil. I split up a piece of hickory and after turning a couple of pieces to ashes managed to make a piece of charcol. I made the fire using a bow with grape vine peelings as a bow, a stick and a piece of wood with a hole started in it by wristing the end of the same sharp rock I split the hickory with, back and forth till I had a hole near the edge of the piece of wood to spin the stick in. I split some shavings and a piece of cedar for the pencil's body using the sharp rock and a heavier rock, carved a groove for the charcoal and tied the whole thing together with more grape vine peelings, wet this time so they would shrink.
Well, after the better part of a day, spent mostly making the fire apparatus and charcoal, I had my fat ugly pencil and it didn't take a village or anything anyone else made to make it!
I gifted it to an attractive (HOT) economics professor from Hunter College. It was worth it!
I love that story.
I'm impressed, Lloyd.
"You can always spot a well informed man - his views are the same as yours."
- Ilka Chase
:grouphug:
"Open-minded people look at the world around them and try to find the
lessons there that apply to their own lives, while narrow-minded people
look at the lessons their own life has brought them and try to apply
these to the world at large."
- M. Elizabeth Hunter , 6 Jul 1995
:nono:
"There is now future, there is only now." - Good Ol Days - David Marley
;)
From a t-shirt I saw today ... A photo of George HW Bush with a caption underneath that said:
"I should have pulled out" ;D
That's a good one!
"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet."
- Myhr Lyle , email signature file, 1995.
:sad2:
"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service."
-Albert Einstein
'...in a 1989 survey by the National Endowment for the Humanities, nearly one quarter of college seniors thought the words "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" were found in the U.S. Constitution!'
From __Why the state took control of "education" Government schools are not there to serve children__ by Sheldon Richman
Acta Non Verba.
Deeds, Not Words.
Thought someone might use this in the "economic rent" threads. I can't, since I'm ignoring the proponent. :)
"They proclaim that every man is entitled to exist without labor and, the laws of reality to the contrary notwithstanding, is entitled to receive his 'minimum sustenance' his food, his clothes, his shelter, with no effort on his part, as his due and his birthright. To receive it, from whom?"
-- Ayn Rand
1. Love creative work.
2. Do not seek domination over others.
3. Avoid intimacy with the ruling authorities.
-- Pirke Avot 1:10, one of the Talmudic texts
Alternate translations:
"Love work; despise public office; and do not be intimate with the ruling authorities."
"Love work, despise high position, and do not become too close to the authorities."
Captain Benjimen L. Willard, 'Apocolypse Now'
"They were gonna make me a major for this, and I wasn't even in their fuckin' army anymore."
Good one, Scott.
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.
? George Washington
War can really cause no economic boom, at least not directly, since an increase in wealth never does result from destruction of goods.
? Ludwig von Mises
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
I think the quote is by John Adams? Correct me if I'm wrong
Quote from: FSP-Rebel on March 13, 2006, 12:02 PM NHFT
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
I think the quote is by John Adams? Correct me if I'm wrong
Nope, Barry Goldwater - 1964 Cow Palace, San Francisco (http://www.nationalcenter.org/Goldwater.html)
The degree of a country's freedom is the degree of its prosperity. - Ayn Rand (1905-1982), Novelist and Philosopher
"You can pick your nose and you can pick your friends, but, you can't pick your friend's nose"
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on March 30, 2006, 05:40 PM NHFT
"You can pick your nose and you can pick your friends, but, you can't pick your friend's nose"
Not true! I've seen it done (as a reaction to that "challenge"). ;D
"Iz'zatcha pahtna there in the chippa?" - The sheriff of "Fargo".
Quote from: Ron Helwig on March 30, 2006, 06:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on March 30, 2006, 05:40 PM NHFT
"You can pick your nose and you can pick your friends, but, you can't pick your friend's nose"
Not true! I've seen it done (as a reaction to that "challenge"). ;D
Ok, you can't pick your friends nose, efectively
"You see, a point in every direction is the same as no point at all." - The pointed man - Nilsson, The Point
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." Thomas Jefferson
"The evils of this deluge of paper money are not to be removed, until our citizens are generally and radically instructed in their cause and consequences, and silence by their authority the interested clamors and sophistry of speculating, shaving, and banking institutions. Till then we must be content to return, quoad hoc, to the savage state, to recur to barter in the exchange of our property, for want of a stable, common measure of value, that now in use being less fixed than the beads and wampum of the Indian, and to deliver up our citizens, their property and their labor, passive victims to the swindling tricks of bankers and mountebankers." Thomas Jefferson
``I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.''
-Thomas Jefferson
``Sir, I read these sentiments with surprise and astonishment. Believe me, Colonel Nicola, no occurrence in the course of this war has given me greater pain than this revelation of such sentiments among the officers of my army, which I must view with abhorrence and reprehend with severity. I am at a complete loss to see what in my conduct could have given encouragement to such a proposal, a proposal that proposes I participate in the greatest mischief that could befall our country. Nicola, you could not have found a person to whom your schemes are more disagreeable. I advise you and your collaborators to put these thoughts from your mind.''
-George Washington, on the offer from his officers that he be declared King of America
"Who owns the youth owns the future!''
-Adolf Hitler
Hey hey
My my
Rock and roll can never die...
- Rust never Sleeps - Neil Young
And the wise have pitied the fool that hath striven to give a life
In the world of time and space among the bulks of actual things,
To a dream that was dreamed in the heart, and that only the heart could hold.
O wise men, riddle me this: what if the dream come true?
Padric Pearse
Call them what you will, they are dangerous Elitists who consider themselves the "Chosen Ones", and will stop at nothing. The giveaway is their belief in the Philosophy of Hegel. The State is Supreme. The individual matters only as much as they contribute to the State.
... the faithful of all political creeds imagine that the lives of 300 million diverse individuals can be successfully run by a handful of strangers who pose and pontificate beneath soaring marble domes.
These are egregious superstitions, immune to evidence and reason.
Donald J. Boudreaux
Chairman, Department of Economics
George Mason University
Quote from: Roger Grant on May 02, 2006, 08:49 AM NHFT
... the faithful of all political creeds imagine that the lives of 300 million diverse individuals can be successfully run by a handful of strangers who pose and pontificate beneath soaring marble domes.
These are egregious superstitions, immune to evidence and reason.
Donald J. Boudreaux
Chairman, Department of Economics
George Mason University
Sadly, too true. Thanks for the quote.
The Temples of Syrinx
Rush-2112
Words by Neil Peart, music by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson
... the massive grey walls of the temples rise from the
Heart of every federation city. I have always been awed
By them, to think that every single facet of every life is
Regulated and directed from within! our books, our music,
Our work and play are all looked after by the benevolent
Wisdom of the priests...
We?ve taken care of everything
The words you hear the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It?s one for all and all for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why
We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls
Look around this world we made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the red star proudly high in hand
We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.
We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls.
"We all have private ails. The troublemakers are they who need public cures for their private ails."
Eric Hoffer
"But the simple truth -- born of experience -- is that tyranny thrives best
where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people."
by Judge Alex Kozinski, Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc: Silveira v. Lockyer, 06 May
2003.
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-9.html
"No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land, or opened a new doorway to the human spirit." Helen Keller
"Intuition is more important then knowledge"
Albert Einstein
? The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing, would suffice to solve most of the world's problems... ? ~M.K.Gandhi
I had some friends who moved to Canada several years ago to protect their children. They believed the draft was coming.
I think leaving the US you could be somewhat safer for a time, but it'd eventually spread all over.
It's not easy... but people still live free here.
Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other ?sins? are invented nonsense.
R.A.H
"Fuck the fucking fucker before he fucks you." - The Chief
Ah Tunga this could be the source of my navy chiefs advice to me.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
Unknown
If this were a Dictatorship, it would be a Heck of a Lot Easier, Just So Long as I'm the Dictator - George W. Bush
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5356028356890054402&q=alex+jones&pl=true
Just to stir up the anarchists... ;D
You all need to remember where the real middle is. It is the Constitution. The Constitution is the biggest compromise - the best compromise - ever written. It is where distribution of power and security of the common good meets with the protection of rights, freedom, and personal sovereignty.
-- B.E.Wood
To please the anarchists... :P
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it. While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it." - Learned Hand
One of my favorites, asking the bank manager for a loan:
Quote from: Neil
Darling Fascist Bullyboys,
Give me some more money, you bastards.
May the seed of your loin be fruitful in the belly of your woman
Neil
Quote from: Ron Helwig on June 08, 2006, 07:14 AM NHFT
One of my favorites, asking the bank manager for a loan:
Quote from: Neil
Darling Fascist Bullyboys,
Give me some more money, you bastards.
May the seed of your loin be fruitful in the belly of your woman
Neil
Is that Neil from The Young Ones? ;D
Quote from: AlanM on March 24, 2005, 10:19 AM NHFT
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on March 24, 2005, 10:01 AM NHFT
"So long as a man does not of his own free will put himself last among his fellow creatures, there is no salvation for him. Ahimsa [self sacrifice] is the farthest limit of humility."
-Gandhi
I can't agree with this one. To me, it is the essence of socialism. Placing myself, (and by extension my loved ones), last, is giving up myself, and my love. To love someone implies value, that I value someone above others. To love yourself you must value yourself.
Yeah some of these people were definitely socialists, like Thoreau. Not that all their quotes are bad, just that when it came to government, this is how they thought.
It's good to not be selfish, but if we had more men looking after their families with responsibility we'd have less of a welfare state...
Quote from: John on April 02, 2005, 04:08 AM NHFT
ATF
OUT OF
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Unfortunately their office is right here in Bedford!
Quote from: Michael Fisher on April 02, 2005, 07:24 PM NHFT
"Pervading nationalism imposes its dominion on man today in many different forms and with an aggressiveness that spares no one. The challenge that is already with us is the temptation to accept as true freedom what in reality is only a new form of slavery."
-Pope John Paul II (He said that??? :o)
Yep but be careful here -- he thought the alternative to nationalism (sovereignty) was world government...
Quote from: katdillon on June 27, 2005, 06:35 AM NHFT
Found this on antiwar.com:
God hates violence. He has ordained that all men fairly possess their property, not seize it.
? Euripides
And I hope 'fairly' doesn't include socialism, but usually it is interpreted that way.
Quote from: lawofattraction on May 02, 2006, 07:27 AM NHFT
""The Illuminati exist today under many different names and many different occupations. They
practice Hegalian conflict/resolution. They appear to oppose each other at the bottom ranks but at the highest levels they are actually organizing and controlling the conflict which they have created to
produce the solution that they seek."
"The Illuminati are extremely powerful, very wealthy men. They believe that they are the guardians of the secrets of the ages. They believe that the vast majority of people would not know what to do with the
real knowledge and the real truth and the real science -- and would, in fact, misuse them all. They further believe that everything that they do is for the ultimate betterment and survival of humankind -- even if
it means killing two billion people to reach their goal..."
William Cooper
Author of "Behold a Pale Horse", Light Technology Publishing, 1991
Murdered in 2001
Unfortunately, as I posted in another thread, some libertarians are ripe for the picking and upon which perpetration of the Hegelian dialect is fairly simple.
And Law, the fact that you have read this book, amazes (and pleases) me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew Cooper was running from them for years, and sent his wife and daughter off to another place for safety but was distressed to hear that he had finally been murdered.
Quote from: lawofattraction on June 08, 2006, 12:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on June 08, 2006, 12:24 PM NHFTAnd Law, the fact that you have read this book, amazes (and pleases) me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I enjoy reading, and have never limited myself to conventional material.
Until I met you people, I thought I was the ONLY one in the world who knew about these people/books.
Here's a great website that explains the perfidy of the two party system and why libertarians must be careful they are not co-opted by either side:
http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html
And for my quote which I hope burns in the minds of all freedom-lovers:
"You shall have one world government, whether or not you like it, by consent or by conquest."
-- Former FDR aide, James Warburg CFR/TC, in testimony before the US Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, 17 Feb 1950.
And for those who think Canada is not a WORSE police state than the US:
" [on May 13, 2006] The Canadian military is doing door-to-door searches and house raid training around the Canadian Hour Of The Time studios. We have on-site footage which Rob and the other Canadian allies took of the event and it is attached."
HOUSE RAID TRAINING???
Quote from: lawofattraction on June 08, 2006, 12:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on June 08, 2006, 12:36 PM NHFTUntil I met you people, I thought I was the ONLY one in the world who knew about these people/books.
"Behold a Pale Horse" is practically mainstream compared to some of the books I've read. ;D
A pretty good rule of thumb is that when the author is murdered the book tends to contain useful information. The good ones often go out of print quickly, as well. ;)
How interesting it is that Isa Rashid was murdered...
http://www.tjresearch.info/airraid.htm
Yes Cooper was shot because he did not pay his federal taxes.... can you imagine?
"Look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you're stupid. Did you hear that? -- stupid." -- Arthur Sylvester, Assistant Sec. of Def. for Public Affairs.
Quote from: KBCraig on June 08, 2006, 11:51 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ron Helwig on June 08, 2006, 07:14 AM NHFT
One of my favorites, asking the bank manager for a loan:
Quote from: Neil
Darling Fascist Bullyboys,
Give me some more money, you bastards.
May the seed of your loin be fruitful in the belly of your woman
Neil
Is that Neil from The Young Ones? ;D
Yay, you win the ... ummm ... how about a karma point? :)
Quote from: Ron Helwig on June 08, 2006, 08:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on June 08, 2006, 11:51 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ron Helwig on June 08, 2006, 07:14 AM NHFT
One of my favorites, asking the bank manager for a loan:
Quote from: Neil
Darling Fascist Bullyboys,
Give me some more money, you bastards.
May the seed of your loin be fruitful in the belly of your woman
Neil
Is that Neil from The Young Ones? ;D
Yay, you win the ... ummm ... how about a karma point? :)
Give me some more karma, you bastards!
;D
The funny thing is, since Kat changed the karma display, I think that Russell is the only one showing more negative karma than I. And I really can't think of anything Russell has ever done to piss people off!
Kevin
There was a smiting battle a long time ago with me, Lloyd, Russell, JP. We racked up a lot of smites!
I won!
I remember the "I smite thee!" wars. ;D
http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=448.0
Smiting Nooneinportant (JP) - it's still in the top 10 topics.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams
When one dares to dig beneath the surface of governmental programs to reveal undisclosed purposes, he or she is usually met with charges of being a "paranoid" defender of "conspiracy theories." More often than not, such an accusation silences the questioner, as it is designed to do. I long ago came to the conclusion that those who chastise others for spouting "conspiracy theories" tend to do so because they don?t want the implications of their own schemes revealed to the public. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!," intoned the Wizard of Oz, an admonition designed to intimidate the inquisitive into silence.
by Butler Shaffer
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/shaffer8.html
Quote from: BillyC on June 12, 2006, 04:28 PM NHFT
When one dares to dig beneath the surface of governmental programs to reveal undisclosed purposes, he or she is usually met with charges of being a "paranoid" defender of "conspiracy theories." More often than not, such an accusation silences the questioner, as it is designed to do. I long ago came to the conclusion that those who chastise others for spouting "conspiracy theories" tend to do so because they don?t want the implications of their own schemes revealed to the public. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!," intoned the Wizard of Oz, an admonition designed to intimidate the inquisitive into silence.
by Butler Shaffer
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/shaffer8.html
Exactly! The Marxists had the art of defamation down pat and in fact had it as a plank on their manifesto to change the world. This is where the American news media follows right along with that.
Quote from: CNHT on June 12, 2006, 04:35 PM NHFT
Quote from: BillyC on June 12, 2006, 04:28 PM NHFT
When one dares to dig beneath the surface of governmental programs to reveal undisclosed purposes, he or she is usually met with charges of being a "paranoid" defender of "conspiracy theories." More often than not, such an accusation silences the questioner, as it is designed to do. I long ago came to the conclusion that those who chastise others for spouting "conspiracy theories" tend to do so because they don?t want the implications of their own schemes revealed to the public. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!," intoned the Wizard of Oz, an admonition designed to intimidate the inquisitive into silence.
by Butler Shaffer
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/shaffer8.html
;)
Exactly! The Marxists had the art of defamation down pat and in fact had it as a plank on their manifesto to change the world. This is where the American news media follows right along with that.
Every truly great accomplishment is at first impossible.
And it's being used right now on another thread. Keep hearing the lie, don't watch what they do behind the curtain though, since meanwhile worse is being done.
"Public apathy is more powerful than public opinion.
There's more of it."
Dr. Jim Boren
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams (the person, not the beer)
Quote from: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on July 09, 2006, 08:29 PM NHFT
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams (the person, not the beer)
Hey you looked so cute in your outfit. :-) I'm almost done uploading photos.
Quote from: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on July 09, 2006, 08:29 PM NHFT
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams (the person, not the beer)
No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible. Voltaire
QuoteHey you looked so cute in your outfit. :-)
:blush: 8)
A man is none the less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.
Lysander Spooner
A State of War Only Serves as an Excuse for Domestic Tyranny
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One person from Sweden began fasting on July 4 with us and reminded us of one of Gandhi?s sayings: ?One ounce of practice is worth tons of theories."
"When we outlaw the federal government, only outlaws will have a federal government." ;D
"as long as I'm alive I'm gonna live illegal"
-Mobb Deep
She spilled BEER on me, Thats fore play.- unknown
At least the alcohol would tend to sterilize....things.
There comes a time when a moral man can't obey a law which his conscience tells him is unjust. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
I'm schizophrenic and so am I.
Tracy
Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups ;D
unknown
Screw Left and Right; Choose Liberty
unknown
Every ambitious would-be empire, clarions it abroad that she is conquering the world to bring it peace, security and freedom, and it is sacrificing her sons only for the most noble and humanitarian purposes. That is a lie; and it is an ancient lie, yet generations still rise and believe it.
Thoreau
Quote from: Pat K on August 12, 2006, 09:18 PM NHFT
Every ambitious would-be empire, clarions it abroad that she is conquering the world to bring it peace, security and freedom, and it is sacrificing her sons only for the most noble and humanitarian purposes. That is a lie; and it is an ancient lie, yet generations still rise and believe it.
Thoreau
The Central Planets formed the Alliance. Ruled by an interplanetary parliament, the Alliance was a beacon of civilization. The savage outer planets were not so enlightened and refused Alliance control. The war was devastating, but the Alliance's victory over the Independents ensured a safer universe. And now everyone can enjoy the comfort and enlightenment of our civilization.
"Teacher", in the movie
Serenity
You don't need to watch everyone if everyone believes they are being watched.
Punishment isn't necessary but the inevitability of punishment has to be programmed into the brain.
The character General Kennard Nash in "The Traveler" by John Twelve Hawks
The Evergreen Foundation (http://www.evergreen-foundation.com/index.php). Is it a real entity web site or a creation by the author or a reader? :o
If you're not a little bit uncomfortable with your position, it isn't radical enough. How can you be too principled? Take the most extreme position you can?you're claiming territory you won't have to fight for later, mostly against your "allies"
L Neil Smith
...mostly against your "allies". Ain't that the truth!
some neat quotes for ya
Laws are spider webs through which the big flies pass and the little ones get caught.
Better shun the bait, than struggle in the snare. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand what they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not understand.
I like that "how can you be too principled"? We should be seeking after truth .... and then standing on it. There is time for debate since it is important to do the right thing. But after you figure it out why not stand up for it steadfastly?
?We have a much greater chance of being killed on the way to the polls than of casting a vote that makes a difference.?
- Gordon Tullock
" More Americans can name the three Stooges than the three branches of goverment. Well, thats because the three Stooges are more likely to get something done."
David Letterman
In the absence of clearly-defined goals, we become strangely loyal to performing daily trivia until ultimately we become enslaved by it.
-- Robert Heinlein
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." Marcus Aurelius
How does that apply when you find out they don't sell beer on Sunday? ;)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 03, 2006, 12:07 PM NHFT
How does that apply when you find out they don't sell beer on Sunday? ;)
They don't sell beer on Sunday? I even heard the state runs the liquor stores, is that true?!? Why aren't we ALL OVER these EXTREMELY IMPORTANT issues?!?!?!? ;D
?Pretty women make us BUY beer. Ugly women make us DRINK beer.? - Ed O'Neill
?The government will fall that raises the price of beer.? - Czech Proverb
?You can never buy beer, you just rent it.? - Archie Bunker
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 03, 2006, 12:07 PM NHFT
How does that apply when you find out they don't sell beer on Sunday? ;)
I whine like a big baby because my estimate of it is painful and I lack the charicter to remove it. Or maybe I just like to bitch alot.
Quote from: error on October 03, 2006, 03:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 03, 2006, 12:07 PM NHFT
How does that apply when you find out they don't sell beer on Sunday? ;)
They don't sell beer on Sunday? I even heard the state runs the liquor stores, is that true?!? Why aren't we ALL OVER these EXTREMELY IMPORTANT issues?!?!?!? ;D
They sell beer on Sunday don't they? I could have sworn I bought beer on Sunday before.
Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker. -- Bruce Sherrod
Damned profound.
"What societies really, ideally, want is a citizenry which will simply obey the rules of society.
If a society succeeds in this, that society is about to perish."
-James Baldwin, "A Talk to Teachers," 1963
We can express why the Christians were killed: No totalitarian authority nor authoritarian state can tolerate those who have an absolute by which to judge that state and its actions. - Francis Schaeffer
"Government must be viewed as one individual doing things to other individuals which he is too cowardly to attempt in a face-to-face encounter."
- Jody Gammar
"A society that is more concerned about the redistribution of wealth than about the creation of wealth will certainly produce an equality of poverty."
- George Marotta
Equality of poverty is the goal!
"...When I feel the hand of power lie heavy on my brow, I care but little to know who oppresses me; and I am not the more disposed to pass beneath the yoke, because it is held out to me by the arms of a million men... Unlimited power is in itself a bad and dangerous thing."
Alexis de Tocqueville
He was the Final Jepaordy question last night. I knew the answer, but, because I've never made the same sound in my brain twice whenever i've run into his name, i couldn't come up with it right away ;D
I did, however, in the 30 seconds...Do Doot Do Doot Do Doot Do Doot... spit out a series of noises that satisfied my sister (competition) that I knew the answer, if not clear on the exact name.
I also have a serious mental block when trying to come up with 'Georgia O'keef under pressure.
haven't read all 17 pages of this thread, so apologies if this is a duplicate...
anyhoo, my email sig has 3 quotes... the first is Franklins "trading liberty for safety" quote that I'm sure everyone on this board knows.
here's the other two: (The first one isn't "by" anyone, it's just something I've been saying for a while.)
When was the last time you heard someone say "Go ahead, it's a free
country"?
What luck for rulers that men do not think. - Adolf Hitler
"When someone is pointing a twelve-gauge shotgun at your brisket, it might not be amiss to treat their every word like a Commandment straight from the lips of God."
- LawDog
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/01/jim-beams-got-your-back-waa-aaay-back.html
?It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds?
- Samuel Adams
Nick Naylor: My point is that you have to think for yourself. If your parents told you that chocolate was dangerous would you take their word for it?
[Children say no]
Nick Naylor: Exactly! So perhaps instead of acting like sheep when it comes to cigarettes you should find out for yourself.
"The wind and the waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators." - E.G.
"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law." - L. D. B.
"Cowards can never by moral." - M.G.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - M.G.
"It is better to be the widow of a hero than the wife of a coward." - D.I.
"The only tyrant I accept in this word is the still voice within." - M.G.
Thanks to Walter Williams for this one:
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and hence clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-- H.L. Mencken
"The quantity and quality of people kissing my ass went up"
Mike Judge discussing the success of 'Beavis and Butthead' and 'King Of The Hill'
just overheard ... "It's not brave if you're not scared."
Quote from: KBCraig on January 23, 2007, 01:09 PM NHFT
"When someone is pointing a twelve-gauge shotgun at your brisket, it might not be amiss to treat their every word like a Commandment straight from the lips of God."
- LawDog
guys with guns do not make commandments worthy of following
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 15, 2007, 12:43 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on January 23, 2007, 01:09 PM NHFT
"When someone is pointing a twelve-gauge shotgun at your brisket, it might not be amiss to treat their every word like a Commandment straight from the lips of God."
- LawDog
guys with guns do not make commandments worthy of following
The commandment in that case (from a private citizen), was, "Stop trying to kick in my door and assault my child."
Sounds like a worthy commandment to me.
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/01/jim-beams-got-your-back-waa-aaay-back.html
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 15, 2007, 12:43 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on January 23, 2007, 01:09 PM NHFT
"When someone is pointing a twelve-gauge shotgun at your brisket, it might not be amiss to treat their every word like a Commandment straight from the lips of God."
- LawDog
guys with guns do not make commandments worthy of following
Not worthy but awfully compelling.
Yup! They got a gun on you you gotta do whatever you can to 'simmer down' the situation and stay alive long enough to achieve a position where you can kill them
"turn the other cheek"
OK
Turn the other cheek
Then
do whatever you can to 'simmer down' the situation and stay alive long enough to achieve a position where you can kill them
an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind .... or something like that from gandhi
kill or be killed will leave the world pretty empty :(
I'm not sure if
"If everybody jumped off a bridge does that mean you would too?"
belongs here or not, but, I thought of it.
One could argue that if an eye for an eye, or, even better, an eye for an eye plus costs were initiated more often, there would be less and less need for it due to most people understanding cause and effect.
I don't see the whole world doing it until everyone is blind or dead. It goes against my observation that people are, basically, good.
It reminds me of many conservatives claims about legalizing drugs. You know! Where they insult the entire population. "Legalize Drugs and Everyone will be taking them!"
goin' old testament on ya .... like Ed Brown
18'(A)You shall not take vengeance, (B)nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but (C)you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD.
Many of the statists actually hate themselves.
Thanks to the AK-47 you can now protect your home from over 200 burglars at once!
A fox should not be of the jury at a goose's trial. - Thomas Fuller
"He who waits to do a great deal of good at once, will never do anything." - Samuel Johnson
" . . . When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right." - Carl Schuz
"Have we not come to such an impasse in the modern world that we must love our enemies - or else? The chain reaction of evil - hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars - must be broken, or else we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it BECAUSE it is right." Martin Luther King Jr
"And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it BECAUSE it is right." Martin Luther King Jr
"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." - Voltaire :'(
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always."
" Never deprive someone of hope; It might be all they have. "
I like this one...
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Quote from: Amethyste on February 23, 2007, 07:02 PM NHFT
" Never deprive someone of hope; It might be all they have. "
Amethyste! Welcome back!
Slaves are generally expected to sing as well as to work.
Frederick Douglass
"After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
"I believe that all government is evil, in that all government must necessarily make war upon liberty."
H. L. Mencken
"A woman knows her children's friends, hopes, dreams, romances, secret fears, what they are thinking, how they are feeling. Men are vaguely aware of some short people also living in the house."
Barbara & Allan Pease, Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps
"Americans are so enamored of equality,
they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."
-- Alexis de Tocqueville
(1805-1859) French historian
Progress in every age results only from the fact that there are some men and women who refuse to believe that what they know to be right cannot be done.
- Russell W. Davenport
Every law that was ever written opened up a new way to graft
R.A.H.
"Wot we've got heah, is a failure to communicate.....some men, you just can't reach, an' you get wot we had here last week, which is the way he wants it.....well, he gets it!....now, I don't like it any more than you men."
-Strother Martin as 'The Captain' (Cool Hand Luke)
" I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. "
Frank Sinatra
Strike the root today. http://www.strike-the-root.com/72/fontana/fontana9.html
Mass murder is not committed by anarchists. It is committed by governments and paid for by the sweat of the working man's brow.
Government is the pimp daddy Houdini of all parasites because it is one slick talker and it owns the presses of propaganda. ;D
Early rising may not be a vice ... but it is certainly no virtue. The old saw about the early bird just goes to show that the worm should have stayed in bed.
R.A.H.
When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty.
~ George Bernard Shaw
Quote from: Pat K on December 31, 2007, 11:55 PM NHFT
When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty.
~ George Bernard Shaw
Daaayumm! ssssst!
"Want your man to always be happy? Just keep his stomach full and his balls empty."
-Advice my Girlfriend's dad gave her
Quote from: Pat K on December 31, 2007, 11:55 PM NHFT
When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty.
~ George Bernard Shaw
Good one...so many police/homeland security guys tell us 'I'm just doing my job.'
Here's one for Dada:
"Courtesy towards opponents
and eagerness to understand their view-point
is the ABC of non-violence."
-- Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi
(1869-1948)
20 July 1944
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Mohandas.Gandhi.Quote.636F
and another nice one:
"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake."
-- Jeannette Rankin
(1880-1973) first woman elected to the United States House of Representatives and the first female member of Congress
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Jeannette.Rankin.Quote.454F
"Non-violent resistance implies the very opposite of weakness.
Defiance combined with non-retaliatory acceptance
of repression from one's opponents is active, not passive.
It requires strength, and there is nothing automatic or intuitive
about the resoluteness required for using non-violent methods
in political struggle and the quest for Truth."
-- Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi
(1869-1948)
1936
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Mohandas.Gandhi.Quote.FB24
"....leave the gun, .....take the cannollies."
-Clemenza
The convoluted wording of legalisms grew up around the necessity to hide from
ourselves the violence we intend toward each other. Between depriving a man of
one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a
difference of degree. You have done violence to him, consumed his energy.
Elaborate euphemisms may conceal your intent to kill, but behind any use of
power over another the ultimate assumption remains: "I feed on your energy."
-Addenda to Orders in Council The Emperor Paul Muad'dib
Frank Herbert, "Dune Messiah"
"Nothing is worse than being alone
on the evening of the day when one's
cow has exploded."
Dean Koontz=Odd Thomas.
Quote from: Pat K on January 26, 2008, 10:38 PM NHFT
"Nothing is worse than being alone
on the evening of the day when one's
cow has exploded."
Dean Koontz=Odd Thomas.
Truly profound. :)
Quote from: Pat K on January 26, 2008, 10:38 PM NHFT
"Nothing is worse than being alone
on the evening of the day when one's
cow has exploded."
Dean Koontz=Odd Thomas.
Brother Pat, I just read that. It didn't hold up to some of his recent work.
I reading it now.
Maybe not his best stuff
but still a good read and
a lot of fun lines like the above.
You look excited yet confused.
like an Amish women who has
been given an electric dildo.
"Be who you are and say what you feel...
Because those that matter... don't mind...
And those that mind... don't matter."
Quote from: Pat K on January 30, 2008, 07:38 PM NHFT
You look excited yet confused.
like an Amish women who has
been given an electric dildo.
Is that an original Pat K or are you planning on telling us who said it?
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 30, 2008, 09:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on January 30, 2008, 07:38 PM NHFT
You look excited yet confused.
like an Amish women who has
been given an electric dildo.
Is that an original Pat K or are you planning on telling us who said it?
Pat K 2008
Then....Kudos to you buddy ;D
"If you ever wonder if a bureaucrat has the 'right' to do something, then just ask yourself this question: Does my neighbor have a right to do this to me?" -Marc Stevens
From a Penzance England Pub...
O Lord above, send down a dove,
With wings as sharp as razors
and cut the throats, of all them blokes,
Whan sells bad beer to sailors!
Awww...so touching!
sniff....
PatK is the new anti-christ >:D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 16, 2008, 12:24 PM NHFT
PatK is the new anti-christ >:D
I am sure the head nun of my religious instruction
days, had this thought. ;D
(http://content.onlineagency.com/sites/38289/images/i-voted-then-i-puked.jpg)
The Liberty sticker folk.
The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.
Frank Zappa
Seems like the bad guys are thinkin they don't need the illusion anymore.
I've noticed a few RAH quotes here. One good source is the Notebooks of Lazarus Long (Part 1 (http://www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/lazlong.html#inter) and Part 2 (http://www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/lazlong.html#inter2))
Quote from: Robert A Heinlein
Always store beer in a dark place.
(For PatK)
Quote from: Robert A Heinlein
Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.
Quote from: Robert A Heinlein
An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications.
Quote from: Robert A Heinlein
In a mature society, "civil servant" is semantically equal to "civil master."
;D 8)
"[When lead starts flying] You won't rise to the occasion – you'll default to your level of training." - Barrett Tillman
What you of the CHOAM directorate seem unable to understand is that you seldom
find real loyalties in commerce. When did you last hear of a clerk giving his
life for the company? Perhaps your deficiency rests in the false assumption that
you can order men to think and cooperate. This has been a failure of everything
from religions to general staffs throughout history. General staffs have a long
record of destroying their own nations. As to religions, I recommend a rereading
of Thomas Aquinas. As to you of CHOAM, what nonsense you believe! Men must want
to do things out of their own innermost drives. People, not commercial
organizations or chains of command, are what make great civilizations work.
Every civilization depends upon the quality of the individuals it produces. If
you over-organize humans, over-legalize them, suppress their urge to greatness -
- they cannot work and their civilization collapses.
-A letter to CHOAM, Attributed to The Preacher
-Frank Herbert "Children of Dune"
"Hillary will drop out of the race when they stick a stake through her heart and put garlic around her neck."
Ellen Ratner
I heard this on the radio one morning.
Quote from: porcupine kate on February 22, 2008, 08:31 PM NHFT
"Hillary will drop out of the race when they stick a stake through her heart and put garlic around her neck."
Ellen Ratner
I heard this on the radio one morning.
HA! that is funny and true!!
Just for insurance cut her head off and turn it face down in her coffin.................
Then shoot her head with a Silver bullet!
I say use a nuke with a tritium/garlic coating to make it go "Hydrogen" over Washington the next time they are setting pork out! ::) ;D
...."my father assured him, that either his signature or his brains would be on the contract."
- M. Corleone
"major, i have a question."
"what is it?"
"do we have to eat with niggas?"
-telly savalas- dirty dozen
melee ensues, and, outside the room:
"a gentleman from the south has inquired about this evening's dining arrangements; they're discussing it now."
- lee marvin
Oscar Wilde
Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress had been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.
Volunteer your time within your community to do your part in making the world a better place! ;)
I have never regretted that I chose to "take the red pill." But there are days, just rarely, when the truth is so ugly, so brutal, so unmerciful, so relentless, that even if I wouldn't rip the truth from the wall socket and hurl it out the window to crash on the sidewalk below, I wouldn't mind if it featured a snooze button so we could savor just a few more moments in slumbered pretension and warm, fuzzy lies pulled snugly up over our heads.
--Penguins Scare Me
So true.
"The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post "Thou shalt not steal", Thou shalt not commit adultery" and "Thou shalt not lie" in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment."
George Carlin
you are not drunk unless you have to hold onto the floor.
(i forgot who said it.)
"I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people."
Dan Quayle
"If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? How intelligent is it to start the day by tying a little noose around your neck?"
Linda Ellerbee
The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. – Alexis de Tocqueville
"A hangover is just Beer's way of reminding you you shouldn't have stopped."
Pat S. channeling the God of Hops at Gabby's Bar in Toronto.
"If you don't drink in the morning, you can't be drunk all day."
Uncle Tom breaking out philosophy and the first beer of the morning.
Nothing will ever be attempted, if all possible objections must first be overcome.
- Samuel Johnson
Quote for menno?
He is not drunk
who from the floor
can rise again
and drink some more
He is drunk
who prostrate lies
and cannot drink
and cannot rise
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on March 12, 2008, 07:19 AM NHFT
He is not drunk
who from the floor
can rise again
and drink some more
He is drunk
who prostrate lies
and cannot drink
and cannot rise
Jesus said that, right?
Maybe, but, he must have said it to Hugh Hefner in the mid 1960's ;D
I'll drink to those who will
and, I'll drink to those who won't
I'll never drink to those who say they will, then won't
But, I'll drink from the early morning 'till the middle of the night
For those who say the never have,"But, for you, I just might!"
When tyrants tremble, sick with fear,
And hear their death-knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near,
How can I keep from singing?
In prison cell and dungeon vile
Our thoughts to them are winging.
When friends by shame are undefiled,
How can I keep from singing?
--Robert Lowry (1860)
Can I run a tab? - Gov. Spitzer
We live small lives on the periphery; we are marginalized and there's
a great deal in which we choose not to participate. We wanted silence
and we have that silence now. We arrived here speckled in sores and
zits, our colons so tied in knots that we never thought we'd have a
bowel movement again. Our systems had stopped working, jammed with the
odor of copy machines, White-Out, the smell of bond paper, and the
endless stress of pointless jobs done grudgingly to little applause.
We had compulsions that made us confuse shopping with creativity, to
take downers and assume that merely renting a video on a Saturday
night was enough. But now that we live here in the desert, things are
much, much better.
Douglas Coupland
_ Generation X _ 1991
Dr. No"We cannot even maintain a zinc standard"
This quote is relavent to the fact that the price of the metal in the penny and nickel, depending on the fluctuations, is greater then the face value of the coin itself. Congress wants to autorize cheaper coinage. ;D
I will not attack your doctrines nor your creeds if they accord liberty to me. If they hold thought to be dangerous - if they aver that doubt is a crime, then I attack them one and all, because they enslave the minds of men.
Robert Green Ingersoll
"Does this town need a hug or what?" -- Jon Stewart, hosting the 2008 Academy Awards
And that's all I have to say about that. (Forrest Gump)
Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character.
See Bill,
See Bill Run,
RUN BILL RUN!
-anonymous
To you who desire to cross this threshold, do you know what
awaits you?
I know, replied the girl.
Cold, hunger, abhorrence, derision, contempt, abuse, prison,
disease and death!
I know, I am ready, I shall endure all blows.
Not from enemies alone, but also from relatives, from friends.
Yes, even from them...
Are you ready even to commit a crime?
I am ready for crime, too.
Do you know that you may be disillusioned in that which you
believe, that you may discover that you were mistaken, that you ruined
your young life in vain?
I know that, too.
Enter!
The girl crossed the threshold, and a heavy curtain fell
behind her.
Fool! said someone, gnashing his teeth.
Saint! someone uttered in reply.
--Ivan Turgenev
We reject kings, presidents and voting.
We believe in rough consensus and running code.
--Dave Clark
IETF conference 7/16/1992
You can pretend to be serious, but you can't pretend to be witty.
-Sacha Guitry
Occam's Razor does not apply to women.
unknown
E. M. Forster described them as,
"Not an aristocracy of power, but an aristocracy of the sensitive, considerate and the plucky. Its members are to be found in all nations and classes and through the ages, and they know each other when they meet. ... Authority, seeing their value, tries to net them and to utilize them. ... But they slip through the net and are gone; when the door is shut they are no longer in the room; Their temple is the Holiness of the Heart's Imagination, and their kingdom, though they never possess it, is the wide open world."
"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs ... we have been accomplices to doing something terrible and unforgivable to this wonderful country... we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected."
-- John Danforth
Republican Senator from Missouri
Source: in an interview in The Arizona Republic on April 22, 1992
Ya suppose that's a relative of "our" Danforth?
Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement. Nothing can be done without hope and confidence.
- Helen Keller
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 15, 2008, 09:54 AM NHFT
"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs ... we have been accomplices to doing something terrible and unforgivable to this wonderful country... we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected."
-- John Danforth
Republican Senator from Missouri
Source: in an interview in The Arizona Republic on April 22, 1992
Ya suppose that's a relative of "our" Danforth?
No
The civilized people in the world, the ones who hide
behind culture and art and politics and even the law,
they're the ones to watch out for. They got that perfect
disguise going for them, you know? But they're the
most vicious. They're the most dangerous people on
the face of the earth.
Michael Connelly- The last Coyote
No religions snort duck feathers!
Max- Picket Fences
"In wine there is wisdom. In beer there is strength. In water there is bacteria." ~Harvey Allen, 1889-1949
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes
Gene Roddenberry
"A friend of mine stopped smoking, drinking, overeating, and chasing women --all at the same time. It was a lovely funeral." ~Anonymous
"Could a being create the fifty billion galaxies, each with two hundred billion stars, then rejoice in the smell of burning goat flesh?"
– Ron Patterson
"It is disgusting to notice the increase in the quantity of coffee used by my subjects, and the amount of money that goes out of the country as a consequence. Everybody is using coffee; this must be prevented. His Majesty was brought up on beer, and so were both his ancestors and officers. Many battles have been fought and won by soldiers nourished on beer, and the King does not believe that coffee-drinking soldiers can be relied upon to endure hardships in case of another war."
-Frederick the Great of Prussia (1777)
"The government are very keen on statistics. They collect them, add them, raise them to the nth power, take the cube root and prepare wonderful diagrams. But you must never forget that every one of these figures comes in the first instance from the village watchman, who just puts down what he damn pleases."
-- Sir Josiah Stamp, Inland Revenue Department (England) 1896-1919
"We are students of words; we are shut up in schools, and colleges,
and recitation rooms, for ten or fifteen years, and come out at last
with a bag of wind, a memory of words, and do not know a thing."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"F*** Martha Stewart. Martha's polishing the brass on the titanic. It's all going down man, so, f*** off with your sofa units, and string green stripe patterns. I say never be complete. I say stop being perfect. I say let's evolve, let the chips fall where they may."
-- Chuck Palahniuk, "Fight Club"
"As your leader...
...I encourage you, from time to time,
and always in a respectful manner...
...to question my logic.
If you're unconvinced a particular plan
I've decided is the wisest, tell me so.
But allow me to convince you...
...and I promise you right here and
now no subject will ever be taboo.
Except of course the subject that was
just under discussion." O-Ren Ishii, "Kill Bill Vol. 1"
audio clip NSFW
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/mediaplayer.asp?ean=093624857020&track=5&disc=1 (http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/mediaplayer.asp?ean=093624857020&track=5&disc=1)
''Three-fourths of philosophy & literature is the talk of people trying to convince themselves that they really like the cage they were tricked into entering.''
William Gillis
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. :NinjaIconA:
Quote from: Friday on June 29, 2008, 07:11 PM NHFT
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. :NinjaIconA:
A moment of silence, for the great George Carlin, in one of his better movie roles.
"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century.
Dan Quayle who is obviously George Bushes speech coach.
Quote from: Friday on June 29, 2008, 07:11 PM NHFT
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. :NinjaIconA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DsFMJQHbMs
Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again. - Robert Heinlein
A spy is just a crook with a government license.
Fiona-Burn Notice.
Quote from: Pat K on July 13, 2008, 10:35 PM NHFT
A spy is just a crook with a government license.
Fiona-Burn Notice.
Great show. It's on our tivo. 8)
Quote from: KBCraig on July 14, 2008, 01:50 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 13, 2008, 10:35 PM NHFT
A spy is just a crook with a government license.
Fiona-Burn Notice.
Great show. It's on our tivo. 8)
What is a tivo? I've heard people say that name before I don't know what it is, too lazy to google it unless I must. :P
"Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
It didn't start with Bush . . .
Quote from: raineyrocks on July 14, 2008, 03:09 PM NHFT
What is a tivo? I've heard people say that name before I don't know what it is, too lazy to google it unless I must. :P
Digital TV recording device. Like a VCR without the tape.
Quote from: 41mag on July 14, 2008, 11:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: raineyrocks on July 14, 2008, 03:09 PM NHFT
What is a tivo? I've heard people say that name before I don't know what it is, too lazy to google it unless I must. :P
Digital TV recording device. Like a VCR without the tape.
Oh, neato! Thanks! :)
"The main political problem is how to prevent
the police power from becoming tyrannical.
This is the meaning of all the struggles for liberty."
-- Ludwig Von Mises
Maybe people just need to accept that keeping police power from becoming tyrannical has never worked and can never work, and get on with trying something else.
"To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is it's justice; that is it's morality."
-- Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
(1809-1865) French mutualist political philosopher
Didn't Proudhon also say:
"Gradualism in Theory is Perpetuality in Practice"
"Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator", we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
Alexai Sayle.
lol
The state — or, to make matters more concrete, the government — consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get, and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time it is made good by looting 'A' to satisfy 'B'. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advanced auction on stolen goods.
— H.L. Mencken, On Politics [1996]
"The great bulk of the country is undoubtedly with Congress in principle and zeal; and their measures are executed with a secrecy and dispatch that are not to be equaled. Wherever the King's forces point, militia to the amount of three or four thousand assemble in twenty-four hours; they bring with them their subsistence, &c., and the alarm over, they return to their farms. The Hampshire Grants in particular, a country unpeopled and almost unknown in the last war, now abounds in the most active and rebellious race in the continent, and hangs like a gathering storm on my left ..." — General John Burgoyne, 1777
Rev. Ryan found that one. It's also up on the www.freestatechurch.org website until we get some real content up there.
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
H. L. Mencken
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 18, 2008, 07:58 AM NHFT
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
H. L. Mencken
plbltbltbltbl, :raspberry:
Reasonable laws are aimed at scoundrels, oppressive laws are aimed at the poor, stupid, ugly, and ill.
You want to defend scoundrels, become a political campaign manager.
"In the Bowling Alley of Tomorrow, there will even be machines that wear rental shoes and throw the ball for you. Your sole function will be to drink beer." ~Dave Barry
Cheers to Pat K. I'm gonna make that my signature on the Homebrew forum I frequent. :)
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"-Marcus Aurelius
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." -- the WOPR
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
- Krishnamurti
Oh, it's exOjai Mike.
What is Ojai? The only Ojai I know of is a city in Central California (I did live near there at one point).
There's a Krishnamurti retreat in Ojai.
Ah. That is the Ojai I knew of. :)
I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse.
Brendan Behan
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar, and fat.
Alex Levine
Quote from: Friday on September 08, 2008, 08:17 PM NHFT
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." -- the WOPR
I likey.
A statesman is an easy man, he tells his lies by rote.
A journalist invents his lies, and rams them down your throat.
So stay at home and drink your beer and let the neighbors vote.
William Butler Yeats
It's not that we don't care
We just know that the fight ain't fair
So we keep on a-waiting (waiting)
Waiting on the world to change
John Mayer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPOBMzMTP4U&fmt=18)
By way of explanation, Piet Hein writes what he calls "grooks"--brief, comic or contemplative poems accompanied by illustrations.
HYGIENE
A grook with no reference whatever to the two-party system
To wear a shirt that's relatively clean
you needn't ever launder off the dirt--
if you possess two shirts to choose between
and always change into the cleaner shirt.
I can't think of anything further to add, can you?
gee
Thanks for that
"You know what happens when capitalism gets fucked up?
The communists come back.
They come out of the bushes. Don't kid yourself. They're waiting in there.
But maybe that's not so bad. Because you know what happens when the commies take over?
The first thing they do is shoot all the lawyers!"
-- Danny DeVito in "Other People's Money"
Quote from: Friday"You know what happens when capitalism gets fucked up?
The communists come back.
They come out of the bushes. Don't kid yourself. They're waiting in there.
But maybe that's not so bad. Because you know what happens when the commies take over?
The first thing they do is shoot all the lawyers!"
-- Danny DeVito in "Other People's Money"
I love that movie.
"Yes, that's right: McDonald's is now selling foofy espresso drinks. The apocalypse is pretty fuckin' nigh."
Sandy
Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex.
Frank Zappa
Wine comes in at the mouth
And love comes in at the eye;
That's all that we will know for truth
Before we grow old and die.
I lift the glass to my mouth,
I look at you and I sigh.
William Butler Yeats
" I sculpted a dead rat out of spinach dip"
Our very own Dale
"You know what bugs me about restaurants? They'll give crayons to the kids, but not to you. They make you furtively use the kid stuff if you want to color."
Kat "Crayola" Kanning
Oooh, I've been quoted.
I thought it was a good one... double plus good for using furtively. :)
Of all the people in the world the best and the worst are drawn to a dead dog. Most turn away. Only those with the purest of heart can feel its pain and somewhere in between the rest of us struggle.
everybody loves money.
that's why they call it money.
- danny devito- other peoples money
"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross? It's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant."
Bill Hicks
I love Bill Hicks. It's a shame he died. Funny, funny man.
Quote from: Pat K on November 20, 2008, 06:15 AM NHFT
"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross? It's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant."
Bill Hicks
:biglaugh:
I never thought of it like that! :D
"It's interesting to speculate how it developed that in two of the most anti-feminist institutions, the church and the law court, the men are wearing the dresses."
--Flo Kennedy
"What's happening in my country is also happening in your country.... You don't even know it, but you're the Indians of the 21st Century, and that's very sad."
~ Russell Means
Force always attracts men of low morality.
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!
Albert Einstein
Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it.
Albert Einstein
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor." --American Poet Robert Frost (1874-1963)
"You ever get the feeling that everything in America is completely fucked up. You know that feeling that the whole country is like one inch away from saying 'That's it, forget it.' I mean think about it. Everything is polluted. The environment, the government, the schools you name it." -- Allan Moyle, from the screenplay for Pump Up the Volume (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/) (great movie, if you haven't seen it)
(I hope this one wasn't already posted, sorry if it's a repeat)
If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." -
Winston Churchill
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste"
Raym Emanuel
"I have long argued that we need to reopen Alcatraz to house government criminals, and let tourists on excursion boats in San Francisco Bay pay to chum the water with meat with an expired sell-by date that would otherwise have to be discarded. Save the sharks."
- L. Neil Smith, in a hi-larious blog post about Rahm Emanuel (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2009/tle505-20090208-02.html)
"I want peace on earth and goodwill toward men." - Whistler
"We are the United States Government. We don't do that sort of thing." - Abbott
-- from the movie "Sneakers"
Political ideas which have dominated the public mind for decades cannot be refuted by rational arguments. They must run their course in life and cannot collapse otherwise than in great catastrophes.
Ludwig von Mises
Scary.
If I postpone my retirement as a result of losses to my savings caused in substantial part by President Obama's policies, so that I do not leave the workforce when I had planned, does that mean that my job has been "saved" by Obama?
I find it humorous that Obama is taking blame for the result of problems that were in place before he was born.
Poetic justice.
Yeah ;D He's going to have his Ass handed to him ;D Just about all of the candidates that ran would have done something similar to what he is doing. They would have been talking 'Impeachment' if Ron Paul had won and attempted to do the right thing.
Quote from: doobie on March 07, 2009, 08:36 PM NHFT
If I postpone my retirement as a result of losses to my savings caused in substantial part by President Obama's policies, so that I do not leave the workforce when I had planned, does that mean that my job has been "saved" by Obama?
Maybe
shaved -- or
slaved -- or
staved . . .
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on March 08, 2009, 07:22 AM NHFT
I find it humorous that Obama is taking blame for the result of problems that were in place before he was born.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on March 08, 2009, 07:51 AM NHFT
Poetic justice.
It
is poetic: he didn't cause the crisis, which beautifully coincides with the natural outcome of his philosophy.
He couldn't have averted much of the crisis that was set in motion before his term, but he
did make it worse by announcing policies that crashed the markets even further.
I don't think they could announce a plan that wouldn't. Even the 'hands off' approach that we would prefer would not appease most people in the business world who do not understand it.
"I'm just not happy because my life didn't turn out the way I thought it would." "Hey, JOIN the FUCKIN' club." - Denis Leary
From John's Dharma cards:
One should defeat an angry name with meekness, an evil one with goodness, a miser with generosity, and a liar with truth.
Mahabharata
These are the root of all evil: fear of god, of death, of pain, and desire which goes beyond what nature requires for a happy life.
DIOGENES
"If I see three or four young black men walking down the street, I have to stop them and check their names. I want them to be afraid every time they see the police that they might get arrested."
Police Chief Russell Mills
Homer, Louisiana
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-race-shootings17-2009mar17,0,3587334.story
Wow! I've heard of "driving while black"....I guess this is "walking while black" >:(
Just a little bit of the daily joy that is "living in the ArkLaTex". >:(
Being a lily-white happily married monogamous Christian heterosexual not subject to such abuses, doesn't make them any more palatable. :-\
Quote from: KBCraig on March 18, 2009, 04:15 AM NHFT
Just a little bit of the daily joy that is "living in the ArkLaTex". >:(
Being a lily-white happily married monogamous Christian heterosexual not subject to such abuses, doesn't make them any more palatable. :-\
Well not today . Tomorrow? No to many folks cared
back in the day when cops beat up "niggers,and spicks, "
then they didn't really care when they were whupping
those "hippie freak" folk.
Well we are all niggers, spicks and hippie freak folk now.
"They tried to get me to hate white people, but someone would always come along and mess it up."
Notes taken (http://www.maxwelldrums.com/thelonius-monk-gives-drum-lesson-1960-c-246.html) at a Thelonius Monk lecture.
;D
"What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?"
-W.C. Fields
"One may bask at the warm fire of faith or choose to live in the bleak uncertainty of reason -- but one cannot have both." -- Robert Heinlein
"..........it's gettin' ta be re-goddamned-diculous............"
- john wayne (drunk, speaking at a jay-cee ceremony)
fucking awesome
"an errand is getting a tank of gas
or picking up a carton of milk or
something. It is not getting
chased by flying purple pyromaniac
gorillas hurling incendiary poo "
Thomas book 6 of the Dresden Files.
Government is neither about morality, nor immorality but always about power; either as a protector or predator and sometimes as the principle in both roles at once. When it is understood that government's power is in reality compulsive unification then it becomes equally obvious that any nonconformity will not be tolerated."
Tim Case
"Anarchy will, of course, come, if not today, then tomorrow; if not tomorrow, then ten thousand years from now. The history of the world is the steady increase of wealth. The land and resources ultimately wind up in the hands of those who can produce the most wealth from them. It follows, logically, that the wealth destroying state will eventually fade into history. But for now, the government is a new toy that the people cannot stop playing with. It seems to them so simple, so easy, so logical to solve their problems with extorted money and threats of violence concealed behind the holiness of the state. But even now, in the last two hundred years, we see the beginnings of the attack on government itself. One day, the very idea of government will seem like an insane artifact of the past: witch burning, crusading, black slavery, prohibition"
Allen Thornton-Laws of the Jungle.
Chucho Montoya: You're the sheriff of Rio County, right? Un jefe muy respetado.
[drawing a line in the sand]
Chucho Montoya: Step across this line. You're not the sheriff of nothing anymore, just some tejano with a lot of questions I don't have to answer. A bird flying south, you think he sees this line? Rattlesnake? Javelina? Whatever you got. You think halfway across that line they start thinking different? Why should a man?
Sheriff Sam Deeds: Your government's always been pretty happy to have that line, the question's just been where to draw it.
Chucho Montoya: My government can go fuck itself, and so can yours! I'm talking about people here. Men.
Lone Star (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116905/)
The facts about the gross violations of individual liberty that have been championed by U.S. presidents almost since the beginning, for example – John Adams's Sedition Acts, Andrew Jackson's genocidal treatment of the American Indians, Abraham Lincoln's military conscription (to say nothing of his suspension of habeas corpus and his imprisonment of newspaper editors who dared to disagree with his prosecution of the Civil War), William McKinley's brutal suppression of the independence movement in the Philippines after the Spanish American War, Franklin Roosevelt's order to round up American citizens of Japanese ancestry and imprison them in concentration camps – are any of these inconvenient facts likely to be selected for inclusion in a textbook based on the "commonly shared principle" of the saintliness of the U.S. government?
— Jeff Riggenbach, "An Introduction to Revisionism: The Art of History" [2009]
"Although it seems unthinkable now, future wars may require censorship, news blackouts and, ultimately, military attacks on the partisan media," --Former United States Army Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 22, 2009, 07:37 AM NHFT
"Although it seems unthinkable now, future wars may require censorship, news blackouts and, ultimately, military attacks on the partisan media," --Former United States Army Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters
And the article that quote is from is entitled "Wishful Thinking and Indecisive Wars (http://www.securityaffairs.org/issues/2009/16/peters.php)."
The guy is a media whore, himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Peters#Writing_career
Bruce Willis --
"I'm sick of answering this fucking question. I'm a Republican only as far as I want a smaller government, I want less government intrusion. I want them to stop shitting on my money and your money and tax dollars that we give 50 percent of... every year. I want them to be fiscally responsible and I want these goddamn lobbyists out of Washington. Do that and I'll say I'm a Republican... I hate the government, OK? I'm apolitical. Write that down. I'm not a Republican."
Nice. A good reason for me to like Bruce a little more. :)
right. . . I think that's a great quote and I can totally see him yelling that at Hans.
I found an original cite for that.
http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/2-24-06/?GT1=100
Description of the sound of a running 'Listeroid' deisel engine:
"At 600 RPMs, it's just like a Big Ole Grandfather Clock, more of a Melody than noise. Compare Judy Garland's voice to that of Susan Esterich."
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on May 28, 2009, 07:50 PM NHFT
Description of the sound of a running 'Listeroid' deisel engine:
"At 600 RPMs, it's just like a Big Ole Grandfather Clock, more of a Melody than noise. Compare Judy Garland's voice to that of Susan Esterich."
I love the Listers, and that's a great quote!
"Libertarianism is self-government. It combines the best of both worlds: The left leg of self-government is tolerance of others; the right leg is responsible economic behavior. The combination of both legs leads to social harmony and material abundance."
-- Marshall Fritz, Founder of the Advocates for Self-Government; President, Alliance for the Separation of School and State
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
Very inspiring.
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde
Perhaps he knew a young man in Keene, ah never mind.
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.
Oscar Wilde
In light of the sad news of Ed's passing
"HAYOOOOOO!" - Ed McMahon
Our problem is civil obedience.
Our problem is the numbers of people all over the world who have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. And our problem is that scene in All Quiet on the Western Front where the schoolboys march off dutifully in a line to war.
Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world, in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country.
That's our problem.
We recognize this for Nazi Germany. We know that the problem there was obedience, that the people obeyed Hitler. People obeyed; that was wrong.
They should have challenged, and they should have resisted; and if we were only there, we would have showed them.
Even in Stalin's Russia we can understand that; people are obedient, all these herdlike people.
— Howard Zinn
Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven don't make 'em biscuits. -- unknown
Unclaimed?
Life is like a sewer. What you get out of it depends on what you put in to it.
HEN3RY
Quote from: Friday on June 30, 2009, 07:06 AM NHFT
Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven don't make 'em biscuits. -- unknown
What's "unknown" about this is what it means. :) Can anyone clue me in?
Explanation of daily quote:
Biscuits aren't the only things that come out of ovens. - Lauren
Quote from: Mike Barskey on June 30, 2009, 09:48 AM NHFT
Quote from: Friday on June 30, 2009, 07:06 AM NHFT
Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven don't make 'em biscuits. -- unknown
What's "unknown" about this is what it means. :) Can anyone clue me in?
"Just because your children were born here, doesn't make them natives."
It's been attributed to various locations with a mistrust of those "from away".
Quote from: KBCraig on June 30, 2009, 12:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: Mike Barskey on June 30, 2009, 09:48 AM NHFT
Quote from: Friday on June 30, 2009, 07:06 AM NHFT
Just 'cause a cat has kittens in the oven don't make 'em biscuits. -- unknown
What's "unknown" about this is what it means. :) Can anyone clue me in?
"Just because your children were born here, doesn't make them natives."
It's been attributed to various locations with a mistrust of those "from away".
Yes, that's the context in which I saw the quote. I was reading some New Hampshire trivia that claimed you're not considered a native until you've got 5 generations of family in the granitic soil! :P
I figure it has other applications, though. Just because you call yourself a
-- Republican
-- libertarian
-- patriot
-- freedom fighter
-- radical
-- independent
...don't necessarily make it so.
ahhh. ok. thanks
"Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation." -- William Lloyd Garrison
Quote from: Friday on July 02, 2009, 09:09 PM NHFT
"Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation." -- William Lloyd Garrison
From wikipedia:
Garrison initially shared Lundy's gradualist views, but, while working for the Genius, he became convinced of the need to demand immediate and complete emancipation. Almost two centuries later, that trend seems to continue. ;)
"Warm cookies and milk are good for you."
Quote from: Friday on July 02, 2009, 09:09 PM NHFT
"Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation." -- William Lloyd Garrison
:clap:
Naturally the common people don't want war.... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.... All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism.
— Hermann Goering
I love fireworks as much as the next slack-jawed rube, but please keep in mind that they do glorify war.
"A jury consists of twelve persons
chosen to decide who has the better lawyer."
-- Robert Frost
(1874-1963) American poet, received four Pulitzer Prizes
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Robert.Frost.Quote.2F60
"A criminal trial is not a search for truth.
It is much too circumscribed for that.
Rather, a trial is a formalized contest for
the hearts and minds of a panel of twelve.
It is a quest for a verdict in which information
is selected and screened (we can almost say "processed")
before it is allowed to reach jurors."
-- Phillip Finch
Source: Fatal Flaw, 1992
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Phillip.Finch.Quote.3FE6
"Here's something else I bet you didn't know about tyrannosaurs: they don't corner well."
Harry Dresden- The Dresden Files
Quote from: Pat K on July 22, 2009, 12:57 AM NHFT
"Here's something else I bet you didn't know about tyrannosaurs: they don't corner well."
Harry Dresden- The Dresden Files
+1 for the first entry in the "WTF?!?" category. ;D
Quote from: KBCraig on July 22, 2009, 01:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 22, 2009, 12:57 AM NHFT
"Here's something else I bet you didn't know about tyrannosaurs: they don't corner well."
Harry Dresden- The Dresden Files
+1 for the first entry in the "WTF?!?" category. ;D
Ah, the Dresden files!! I've only read one so far; so many left to enjoy. :read:
The Nazi regime represented not a unique evil in history but rather a now-conventional combination of two dangerous ideological trends: nationalism and socialism. We know both all too well.
— Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., "Headed to National Socialism (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/headed-to-national-socialism123.html)", [July 10, 2009]
Quote from: Friday on July 25, 2009, 01:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on July 22, 2009, 01:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 22, 2009, 12:57 AM NHFT
"Here's something else I bet you didn't know about tyrannosaurs: they don't corner well."
Harry Dresden- The Dresden Files
+1 for the first entry in the "WTF?!?" category. ;D
Ah, the Dresden files!! I've only read one so far; so many left to enjoy. :read:
Hells Bells- If someone had told me I would
be reading books like this I wold have thought them
nuts. But I am now adicted. Harry Rocks.
Quote from: Friday on July 25, 2009, 01:26 PM NHFT
The Nazi regime represented not a unique evil in history but rather a now-conventional combination of two dangerous ideological trends: nationalism and socialism. We know both all too well.
— Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., "Headed to National Socialism (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/headed-to-national-socialism123.html)", [July 10, 2009]
Well that's just chilling, now ain't it.
The greatest threat to the future of our nation — to our freedom — is not foreign military aggression ... but the growing dependence of the people on a paternalistic government. A nation is no stronger than its people and the best measure of their strength is how they accept responsibility. There will never be a great society unless the materialism of the welfare state is replaced by individual initiative and responsibility.
— Charles B. Shuman
Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged
as those who are.
-Benjamin Franklin, statesman, author, and inventor
(1706-1790)
In interviewing freestaters on why they'd moved, it was rarely for things that effected them directly, but for outrage at what had happened to others.
You can see it in their eyes as they sit and move the levers that work the gears of the State. They look at you and know there really is a free lunch. And when they reach to tear off a piece of your flesh, do you bite the hand that feeds on you? Or do you, like so many of your fellows, ask if the maggot likes you rare, medium, or well done?
from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
The state lies in all the tongues of good and evil, and whatever it says is lies, and whatever it has, it has stolen, everything it is, is false, it bites with stolen teeth, and it bites often, it is false down to its bowels.
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, Also Sprach Zarathustra [1896]
"You see us as you want to see us...
In the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions.
But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain...
...and an athlete...
...and a basket case...
...a princess...
...and a criminal..."
-- John Hughes, Feb. 8, 1950 - Aug. 6, 2009
:'(
"The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods."
H L Mencken
Quote from: Friday on August 07, 2009, 06:15 AM NHFT
"You see us as you want to see us...
In the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions.
But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain...
...and an athlete...
...and a basket case...
...a princess...
...and a criminal..."
-- John Hughes, Feb. 8, 1950 - Aug. 6, 2009
:'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv1I4q6lOpo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv1I4q6lOpo)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
http://www.newamericandream.net/index.html
"Our problem is civil obedience."
Our problem is the numbers of people all over the world who have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. And our problem is that scene in All Quiet on the Western Front where the schoolboys march off dutifully in a line to war.
Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world, in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country.
That's our problem.
We recognize this for Nazi Germany. We know that the problem there was obedience, that the people obeyed Hitler. People obeyed; that was wrong.
They should have challenged, and they should have resisted; and if we were only there, we would have showed them.
Even in Stalin's Russia we can understand that; people are obedient, all these herdlike people.
— Howard Zinn
Thak you, Kat! I hadn't come across him before.
The People Speak (http://howardzinn.org/default/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=103&Itemid=55)
Granny D turned me on to him. She gave me a copy of A People's History of the United States.
"Mind you, mad science isn't the career for everyone. You really have to love your work or hate the world."
-- Dr. Helen B. Narbon, "Narbonic" webcomic
8:56 AM, August 26, 2009
Marko said...
If there really is a just and loving God, Mary Jo Kopechne just got issued a ball gag, a blowtorch, a pair of pliers, and a day pass to Hell.
Comment on a blog.
"The prisoner has been charged with the most serious breach of social etiquette; total defiance of the elementary laws which sustain our community; questioning the decisions of those we voted to govern us; unhealthy aspects of speech, and dress not in accordance with general practice; and, the refusal to observe, wear, or respond to, his number!"
-- Episode 17, The Prisoner
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 22, 2005, 03:52 AM NHFT
From Charlie Reese today: " Politicians have a bad habit of surrounding themselves with bootlickers and fawning little brats with more ambition than brains."
Don't join the ranks of bootlickers and fawning little brats.
Dang, Kat... you posted this 4 days before I made it to New Hampshire. You were so ahead of the curve. ;)
More from Charley Reese:
"What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall."
"The U. S. government is a conspiracy against the Middle Class"
Martin L. Gross
"The best thing you can do for anybody is offer one more honest adult in their lives." - Mr. Fred Rogers
Quote from: David on September 16, 2009, 09:40 PM NHFT
"The best thing you can do for anybody is offer one more honest adult in their lives." - Mr. Fred Rogers
What a liar! :biglaugh:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :Bolt:
"Society does not want free men. They talk freedom, democracy, anything they want. But they don't want free men. Society wants conditioned men...men who march in step."
Henri "Papillon" Charierre
The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of
morality by religion. -Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer (1917- )
Who's ass would Jesus bust a cap in?- Becky Thatcher, pseudonym of a friend, on this forum. (currently Tom Sawyers signature line. ;D
The only tyrant I accept in this world is the 'still small voice' within
me. -Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
Capitalism is the best. It's free enterprise. Barter.
Gimbals, if I get really rank with the clerk, "Well, I
don't like," how can I resolve it? If it gets really
rediculous, I go, "Frig it man, I walk" What can this
guy do at Gimbals, even if he was the president of
Gimbals? He can always reject me from that store, but
I can always go to Macy's. He can't really hurt me.
Communism is like one big phone company. Government
control man. And if I get too rank with that phone
company, where can I go? I'll end up like Schmuck
with a dixie cup on a thread.
Lenny Bruce
"All the extravagance and incompetence of our present Government is due, in the main, to lawyers, and, in part at least, to good ones. They are responsible for nine-tenths of the useless and vicious laws that now clutter the statute-books, and for all the evils that go with the vain attempt to enforce them. Every Federal judge is a lawyer. So are most Congressmen. Every invasion of the plain rights of the citizens has a lawyer behind it. If all lawyers were hanged tomorrow, and their bones sold to a mah jong factory, we'd be freer and safer, and our taxes would be reduced by almost a half."
—H.L. Mencken (1880-1956), "Breathing Space", The Baltimore Evening Sun, 1924-08-04.
Quote from: Pat K on October 05, 2009, 12:51 AM NHFT
"All the extravagance and incompetence of our present Government is due, in the main, to lawyers, and, in part at least, to good ones. They are responsible for nine-tenths of the useless and vicious laws that now clutter the statute-books, and for all the evils that go with the vain attempt to enforce them. Every Federal judge is a lawyer. So are most Congressmen. Every invasion of the plain rights of the citizens has a lawyer behind it. If all lawyers were hanged tomorrow, and their bones sold to a mah jong factory, we'd be freer and safer, and our taxes would be reduced by almost a half."
—H.L. Mencken (1880-1956), "Breathing Space", The Baltimore Evening Sun, 1924-08-04.
Advocacy of mass murder seems a bit out of place with most of the other stuff I've read on this forum. :-\
::)
He didn't seem to be advocating it. It was more like describing a dream.
Menken must have known this one:
"the world will only be free when the last king is hang by the last priest's intestines"
All I ask is this: Do something. Try something. Speaking out, showing up, writing a letter, a check, a strongly worded e-mail. Pick a cause -- there are few unworthy ones. And nudge yourself past the brink of tacit support to action. Once a month, once a year, or just once. -
Joss Whedon, writer and film director
I suggest we learn to love ourselves, before it's made illegal. -- Incubus
I have ever deemed it more honorable and more profitable, too, to set a good example than to follow a bad one. --Thomas Jefferson
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime."
~ Frederic Bastiat, The Law
Quote from: Friday on October 17, 2009, 01:41 PM NHFT
I have ever deemed it more honorable and more profitable, too, to set a good example than to follow a bad one. --Thomas Jefferson
Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example. - Mark Twain
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and
the government when
it deserves it.
-Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
Unless life gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck. -- Unknown
That is sooo sad
Quote from: Lance on October 05, 2009, 09:28 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on October 05, 2009, 12:51 AM NHFT
"All the extravagance and incompetence of our present Government is due, in the main, to lawyers, and, in part at least, to good ones. They are responsible for nine-tenths of the useless and vicious laws that now clutter the statute-books, and for all the evils that go with the vain attempt to enforce them. Every Federal judge is a lawyer. So are most Congressmen. Every invasion of the plain rights of the citizens has a lawyer behind it. If all lawyers were hanged tomorrow, and their bones sold to a mah jong factory, we'd be freer and safer, and our taxes would be reduced by almost a half."
—H.L. Mencken (1880-1956), "Breathing Space", The Baltimore Evening Sun, 1924-08-04.
Advocacy of mass murder seems a bit out of place with most of the other stuff I've read on this forum. :-\
wwe can give all lawyers 1 year to find a new job
then we sell their bones for game pieces
Fear is perhaps the greatest enemy of candor. How many men fear to follow their conscience because they would rather conform to the opinion of other men than to the truth they know in their hearts? How can I be sincere if I am constantly changing my mind to conform with the shadow of what I think others expect of me?
— Thomas Merton, No Man Is an Island [1955]
Quote from: Russell Kanning on November 02, 2009, 05:47 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lance on October 05, 2009, 09:28 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on October 05, 2009, 12:51 AM NHFT
"All the extravagance and incompetence of our present Government is due, in the main, to lawyers, and, in part at least, to good ones. They are responsible for nine-tenths of the useless and vicious laws that now clutter the statute-books, and for all the evils that go with the vain attempt to enforce them. Every Federal judge is a lawyer. So are most Congressmen. Every invasion of the plain rights of the citizens has a lawyer behind it. If all lawyers were hanged tomorrow, and their bones sold to a mah jong factory, we'd be freer and safer, and our taxes would be reduced by almost a half."
—H.L. Mencken (1880-1956), "Breathing Space", The Baltimore Evening Sun, 1924-08-04.
Advocacy of mass murder seems a bit out of place with most of the other stuff I've read on this forum. :-\
wwe can give all lawyers 1 year to find a new job
then we sell their bones for game pieces
Excellent. A prohibition against the provision of advice for dispute resolution will result in a healthy increase in my hourly rate. :icon_pirat:
Unless you end up as a Crack, Bam or Flower.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 15, 2009, 05:26 AM NHFT
Unless you end up as a Crack, Bam or Flower.
Had to google that. :)
Seriously though - the absence of a coercive government won't end the phenomena of interpersonal disputes. I have a hard time understanding why some people think that there will not be a need for lawyers in a voluntary society.
Quote from: Lance on November 15, 2009, 09:27 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 15, 2009, 05:26 AM NHFT
Unless you end up as a Crack, Bam or Flower.
Had to google that. :)
Seriously though - the absence of a coercive government won't end the phenomena of interpersonal disputes. I have a hard time understanding why some people think that there will not be a need for lawyers in a voluntary society.
There might be a need for an experts to help with complicated contracts and disputes about same.
Can any thing be more ridiculous than that a man has a right to kill me because he dwells the other side of the water, and because his prince has a quarrel with mine, although I have none with him?
— Blaise Pascal, Pensees, IV [1670]
Be happy while you're living, for you're a long time dead.
Scottish proverb
The things we have are easily spoiled by our desire for the things we don't have.
If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide.
Mahatma Gandhi
Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power. -Eric Hoffer,
philosopher and author (1902-1983)
If you are patient in one moment of anger, you will avoid one hundred days of sorrow. - unknown
Labor to keep alive in your heart that little spark of celestial fire called conscience.
— George Washington
I really like this quote...thanks Friday.
Every vice was once a virtue, and may become respectable again, just as hatred becomes respectable in wartime.
— Will Durant
"The net poses a fundamental threat not only to the authority of the
government, but to all authority, because it permits people to organize, think,
and influence one another without any institutional supervision whatsoever."
-- John Seabrook
American journalist, staff writer at The New Yorker since 1993
Source: "My First Flame," New Yorker, 6 June 1994
Power and authority, as substitutes for performance and rational thought, are the specters that haunt the world today. They are the ghosts of awed and superstitious yesterdays. And politics is their familiar. Politics, throughout time, has been an institutionalized denial of man's ability to survive through the exclusive employment of all his own powers for his own welfare. And politics, throughout time, has existed solely through the resources that it has been able to plunder from the creative and productive people whom it has, in the name of many causes and moralities, denied the exclusive employment of all their own powers for their own welfare."
Karl Hess,
Walt Whitman's Caution
To The States, or any one of them, or any city of The States,
Resist much, obey little;
Once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved;
Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city, of this earth,
ever afterward resumes its liberty. 1860
"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
"We cannot but be astonished at the ease with which men resign themselves to ignorance about what is most important for them to know; and we may be certain that they are determined to remain invincibly ignorant if they once come to consider it as axiomatic that there are no absolute principles."
~ Frederic Bastiat
:icon_pirat:
"Now, let me get this straight.....We are going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president who also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes...all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?"
-- Anonymous, quoted in Carpe Diem blog.
I like to read the Carpe Diem blog to
balance out my feelings of doom from
reading reading other sites.
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
~Groucho Marx
:icon_pirat:
The quote at the top of the forums "Let them march all they want, as long as they pay their taxes." --Alexander Haig
Is very similar to a quote by Caligula: oderint dum metuant
"Let them hate, so long as they fear"
:icon_pirat:
"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse
or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference."
- President Harry S. Truman
"What is my joy if all hands, even the unclean, can reach into it? What is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me? What is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched and the impotent, are my masters? What is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree and to obey?" -Anthem
Forget youth. What this world could use is a Fountain of Smart. - OBarbee
We're told cars are wasteful. Wasteful of what? Oil did a lot of good sitting in the ground for millions of years. We're told cars should be replaced with mass transportation. But it's hard to reach the drive through window at McDonald's from a speeding train. And we're told cars cause pollution. A hundred years ago city streets were ankle deep in horse excrement. What kind of pollution do you want? Would you rather die of cancer at eighty or typhoid fever at nine?
~ P.J. O'Rourke
For the love of God and all that is holy, my anus is bleeding. -- Don Hertzfeldt
Very uplifting, Friday. :P Here's another to look forward to.
"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."
- Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961
Huxley believed in a seduction of the people... as opposed to Orwell's overt tyranny.
What, seduction via date rape drug?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 14, 2010, 04:39 AM NHFT
What, seduction via date rape drug?
Funny you should say that... I was thinking the same thing.
My sister was on all sorts of mood elevators and stuff... finally snapped, quit the job that was killing her soul... got off the pharmaceuticals... hope she can get it together.
Most people think that the reason they are unhappy is because something is wrong with them... they are fed a steady diet of propaganda, that keeps them from recognizing the root cause. Government taking their money, their options... warfare, emotional manipulation...
A new car will make me happy etc. when those things fail they believe the ads for better living via chemistry.
mmmm....a new car....great idea!
I can't remember ever wanting a new car. First, I wanted 32 Fords, 40 Fords, 55 Chevys, 57 Chevys,62 Chevys. Any early Vette or, T-Bird.
Later, I wanted any Mercedes 300 SL or, other German, British or Italian sports car from the 50's.
For a while now, I have been partial to Pickups from the late 40's to late 50's.
Actually, I don't desire a new car either. I was making a joke.
I didn't think ya did. I assume that like most of us you are happy to have a paid for running car that you are not afraid of.
Kat's on Prozac ;D
Social critic Neil Postman contrasts the worlds of Nineteen Eighty-Four and Brave New World in the foreword of his 1985 book Amusing Ourselves to Death.
QuoteAs Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us.
"No one of any feeling, born and educated in this once happy country, can consider the numerous distresses, the gross indignities, the barbarous ignorance, the haughty usurpations, that we have reason to fear are meditating for ourselves, our children, our neighbors, in? short, for all our countrymen and all their posterity, without the utmost agonies of heart and many tears." John Adams 1775
"Nonviolence is fine as long as it works."
~Malcolm X
To delight in war is a merit in the soldier, a dangerous quality in the captain, and a positive crime in the statesman. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." ~H.H. The Dalai Lama
"All too many of the other great tragedies - Stalin's atrocities, the killing fields of Cambodia, the holocaust, to name but a few - were perpetrated by armed troops against unarmed populations. Many could well have been avoided or mitigated, had the perpetrators known their intended victims were equipped with a rifle and twenty bullets apiece, as the Militia required here. If a few hundred Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto could hold off the Wermacht for almost a month with only a handful of weapons, six million Jews armed with rifles could not so easily have been herded into cattle cars. 'My excellent colleagues have forgotten these bitter lessons of history. The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once." Judge Alex Kozinski, 9th Circuit., in case Silveira vs Lockyer.
In the Virginia Resolution of 1798, James Madison wrote of the principle of interposition:
That this Assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it views the powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact, to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact; as no further valid that they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact; and that in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states who are parties thereto, have the right, and are in duty bound, to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them.
Here Madison asserts what is implied in nullification laws – that state governments not only have the right to resist unconstitutional federal acts, but that, in order to protect liberty, they are "duty bound to interpose" or stand between the federal government and the people of the state.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis
"The theory seems to be that as long as a man is a failure he is one of God's children, but that as soon as he succeeds he is taken over by the Devil." - Henry Louis Mencken
"Are you going to go for it, or are you going to give up?"
--Les Paul, at age 90
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion,
Instead of Truth they use Equivocation,
And eke it out with mental Reservation,
Which is to good Men an Abomination."
~ Benjamin Franklin
Simply stated, it is sagacious to eschew obfuscation :icon_pirat:
Quote from: shyfrog on March 15, 2010, 11:13 PM NHFT
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion,
Instead of Truth they use Equivocation,
And eke it out with mental Reservation,
Which is to good Men an Abomination."
~ Benjamin Franklin
Simply stated, it is sagacious to eschew obfuscation :icon_pirat:
Whoa! The day I understand that quote is the day I'll actually understand certain bible versuses or maybe spell the plural of versus correctly! ;D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 14, 2010, 10:08 AM NHFT
Actually, I don't desire a new car either. I was making a joke.
I'll laugh Kat! :biglaugh: ;D
Quote from: Raineyrocks on March 30, 2010, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on March 15, 2010, 11:13 PM NHFT
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion,
Instead of Truth they use Equivocation,
And eke it out with mental Reservation,
Which is to good Men an Abomination."
~ Benjamin Franklin
Simply stated, it is sagacious to eschew obfuscation :icon_pirat:
Whoa! The day I understand that quote is the day I'll actually understand certain bible versuses or maybe spell the plural of versus correctly! ;D
Spelling the singular of verse correctly might help.
Howard Wilson sent me this:
Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp)
Its worth reading a bit into as it does have a few interesting points about Reagan and Thomas.
Quote from: Pat McCotter on March 30, 2010, 09:10 AM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on March 30, 2010, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on March 15, 2010, 11:13 PM NHFT
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion,
Instead of Truth they use Equivocation,
And eke it out with mental Reservation,
Which is to good Men an Abomination."
~ Benjamin Franklin
Simply stated, it is sagacious to eschew obfuscation :icon_pirat:
Whoa! The day I understand that quote is the day I'll actually understand certain bible versuses or maybe spell the plural of versus correctly! ;D
Spelling the singular of verse correctly might help.
:duh: Yeah, I guess that would help. So then, I did spell the plural form correctly? No, wait, sorry, it's early for me; the plural of verse not versus would be verses, right? :-\
Quote from: Raineyrocks on April 07, 2010, 07:47 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on March 30, 2010, 09:10 AM NHFT
Quote from: Raineyrocks on March 30, 2010, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on March 15, 2010, 11:13 PM NHFT
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion,
Instead of Truth they use Equivocation,
And eke it out with mental Reservation,
Which is to good Men an Abomination."
~ Benjamin Franklin
Simply stated, it is sagacious to eschew obfuscation :icon_pirat:
Whoa! The day I understand that quote is the day I'll actually understand certain bible versuses or maybe spell the plural of versus correctly! ;D
Spelling the singular of verse correctly might help.
:duh: Yeah, I guess that would help. So then, I did spell the plural form correctly? No, wait, sorry, it's early for me; the plural of verse not versus would be verses, right? :-\
Yessiree Bob! You got it! ;D ;D
Yahoo! Thanks, Pat! :D
Truth indeed came once into the world with her divine Master, and was a perfect shape most glorious to look on: but when he ascended, and his Apostles after him were laid asleep, then straight arose a wicked race of deceivers, who, as that story goes of the Egyptian Typhon with his conspirators, how they dealt with the good Osiris, took the virgin Truth, hewed her lovely form into a thousand pieces, and scattered them to the four winds. From that time ever since, the sad friends of Truth, such as durst appear, imitating the careful search that Isis made for the mangled body of Osiris, went up and down gathering up limb by limb, still as they could find them. We have not yet found them all, Lords and Commons, nor ever shall do, till her Master's second coming;
Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.
~John Milton Areopagitica in opposition to licensing and censorship. Regarded as one of the most eloquent defenses of press freedom ever written.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule."
H.L. Mencken
Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? -- Bluto, "Animal House"
Animal House: Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI#)
The feminists grabbed our women,
The liberals banned our guns,
The health cops snuffed our cigarettes,
The bailout has our funds,
The laws of breathalyzing
put an end to our roadside bars,
Circle the Fords and the Chevys boys,
THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE OUR CARS
P.J. O'Rourke
Driving like crazy
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected."
G. K. Chesterton
You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.
Charles Austin Beard
"We've been doing random searches for years. None have been in response to particular threats. It's more to show force."
-- Amtrak Spokesman Cliff Cole (http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20100908/NEWS01/9080330/PATCO-riders-undergo-search)
Herewith a searing insight for the ever-puzzled State Department: Actions have consequences. If you support Batista, you will engender Fidel. If you support the Shah, you will get Khomeini. If you attack Moslems, you will get bin Laden. It might be better to stay home and read a book.
Fred Reed
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed185.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed185.html)
People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered.
Love them anyway.
If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives.
Do good anyway.
If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies.
Succeed anyway.
The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow.
Do good anyway.
Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable.
Be honest and transparent anyway.
What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight.
Build anyway.
People who really want help may attack you if you help them.
Help them anyway.
Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt.
Give the world your best anyway.
-Mother Teresa
wow
"Bad men live to eat and drink, whereas good men eat and drink in order to live." ~Socrates
It's true. Parents that use drugs have kids who use drugs. So there's an important lesson here. Don't have kids.
"Now and then we had hope that if
we lived and were good. God would
permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
:D
?"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." - Lord Acton
"Don't be angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be, because you cannot make yourself as you wish to be."
— Thomas à Kempis
My wife thinks I'm nosy. At least that's what she scribbles in her diary.
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. ~Werner von Braun
"I am sorry to think that you do not get a man's most effective criticism until you provoke him. Severe truth is expressed with some bitterness."
~Henry David Thoreau
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful." ~C.S. Lewis
"Truly fertile Music, the only kind that will move us, that we shall truly appreciate, will be a Music conducive to Dream, which banishes all reason and analysis. One must not wish first to understand and then to feel. Art does not tolerate Reason."
~Albert Camus
I disagree with Albert Camus.
Modern art does not tolerate reason.
Great art is in total harmony with reason.
I feel that what a large portion of people consider great art is actually cold, calculated, reflective of reality, and quite predictable because it follows reason.
It shows the artist has technical merit and an understanding of the actual world, even when the piece is fictional (art, music, writing, etc). But it lacks the emotional impact I (and many others I know) desire in art.
Art that inspires, in my opinion, and pushes individuals to imagine something beyond reality, beyond reason, must first elicit emotional response. To try instead to understand it first - again in my opinion, my anecdotal experience, my mind - is to crush it and destroy the very thing it is meant to elicit: Emotion.
There are many anecdotal experiences I could relate, but it would probably be futile.
I disagree with Albert Camus over his absolutism (only, all, does not tolerate) more than anything else.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." ~Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
Edit: To clarify, Gandhi was speaking about the violent man as someone with the capacity for violence. One who can use, or has used violence and force, but chooses not to any longer. The impotent is the coward who hides behind the cloak of non-violence.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." ~Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
That quote should be the start of a new thread.
"What we have to remember is that not everything is under our control. If people are free in any meaningful sense of the word, that means they are at liberty to foul up their lives as much as make something grand of them. That's a gamble we all take. That's the risk of liberty. Nobody wants others to screw up their lives, but each must be free to do so for themselves." ~Joel Miller
"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." ~Helen Keller
Some random touch-a hands imprudent slip-
The terminals-flash-a sound like "zip!"
A smell of burning fills the startled air-
The Electrician is no longer there!
Hilaire Belloc
"Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong." ~Ayn Rand
"I freed thousands of slaves, but I could have freed so many more if only they had known that they were slaves." -Harriet Tubman
"If nationality is consent, the state is compulsion."
Henri Frederic Amiel
The God who made New Hampshire
Taunted the lofty land
With little men
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
Ode to W. H. Channing
Not only does the action of Governments not deter men from crimes; on the contrary, it increases crime by always disturbing and lowering the moral standard of society. Nor can this be otherwise, since always and everywhere a Government, by its very nature, must put in the place of the highest, eternal, religious law (not written in books but in the hearts of men, and binding on every one) its own unjust, man-made laws, the object of which is neither justice nor the common good of all but various considerations of home and foreign expediency. "
—Leo Tolstoy, The Meaning of the Russian Revolution
"One of the common failings among honorable people is a failure to appreciate how thoroughly dishonorable some other people can be, and how dangerous it is to trust them" ~Thomas Sowell
Trust is utterly important to effective communication
I'll trust ya on that.
"Beware when government kisses your ass because your ass is where your wallet is."
ZooT aLLure on the mental militia board
I thought anyone who's tried to do anything in the FSP would appreciate this:
Theodore Roosevelt:
It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or when the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worth cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.
I remember all of those thousands of hours that I spent in grade schools watching the clock, waiting for recess or lunch or to go home.
My teachers could easily have ridden with Jesse James for all the time they stole from me. Richard Brautigan
"And what of the curious resemblances
between Protestant churches and
courts of law? The minister and the
judge wear the same black robe
and "throw the book"at those assembled
in pews and various kinds of boxes,
and both ministers and judges have
chairs of estate that are still,
in effect, thrones."
Alan Watts
H. L. Mencken described schools in the following way:
School-days, I believe, are the unhappiest in the whole span of human existence. They are full of dull, unintelligible tasks, new and unpleasant ordinances, brutal violations of common sense and common decency. It doesn't take a reasonably bright boy long to discover that most of what is rammed into him is nonsense, and that no one really cares very much whether he learns it or not.
I have always enjoyed hanging out with people who hated school. :)
I am not enjoying having one back in public school, even if he's currently homebound while he recovers.
"I am your fellow man, but not your slave."
A letter from Frederick Douglass to his former "owner", in 1848.
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/02/i-am-your-fellow-man-but-not-your-slave.html
Quote from: Russell Kanning on March 01, 2012, 03:49 PM NHFT
I have always enjoyed hanging out with people who hated school. :)
Me too! ;D I loved skipping school, hanging out and meeting some of the most awesome people that didn't care that I wasn't in school.
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman
"And all the high ranking government employee's kids
would be playing in really big, elaborate sand boxes."
Pat K
"Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress."
—Napoleon Bonaparte
I wonder how many peace prizes he was awarded
Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living.
Gen. Omar N. Bradley
Never do anything against conscience
even if the state demands it.
-- Albert Einstein
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"I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime."
Albert Einstein
....and Einstein would find that freedom......where exactly? ....I see many quotes from the man, but not that one. He was also a big fan of socialism...fkking genius
"There is always hope. Only because it's the one thing that no one has figured out how to kill yet."
Galen; from Crusades (1999)
I've also seen it cited with three dots: "figured out how to kill...yet", which would make it seem that Galen was concerned that figuring it out might be inevitable.
"Some people suck cock,and some people don't. The ones that do, are known as cocksuckers"
-Babalugatz.....the Riddler....your good friend and compatriot