I've drawn up a personal declaration of independence, for those who don't want to wait on the State. It's only a single page:
www.republicofnh.org/personaldeclaration.pdf
Caleb
I think that "federal government" should be replaced with "United States government".
I think it should be replaced with "da mafia in Washington".
Quote from: Caleb on February 10, 2007, 11:08 PM NHFT
I've drawn up a personal declaration of independence, for those who don't want to wait on the State. It's only a single page:
www.republicofnh.org/personaldeclaration.pdf
Caleb
Wow, Caleb I didn't know you wrote that! Russell just posted it somewhere and I asked who to send it to? Thanks! :D
I was just thinking though.........if I am the only one that signs it and sends it, in my family what good would it do? Rick is the one that works therefore has taxes taken out of his paycheck so I'm not quite sure I understand it.
Is it for personal seccession (sp?) from the united states? What goes along with that? I like it and I always get excited before I think about the questions that go along with something like this.
I'm personally ready to do something, it just has to make sense to me.
I think the logical place for someone to send it would be the IRS. Probably about the only interaction most of us have with the federal government most of the time is paying taxes. Most of the truly awful things they do take place in other countries.
If anyone receives money from the feds, I think a divorce means you have to give up the benefits.
Probably not much you can do, though, if you aren't the breadwinner. Other than asking your husband to sign it and quit paying taxes. You can also let all state officials know that you are no longer part of the federal government.
It's more of a moral statement than anything
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 11, 2007, 06:58 AM NHFT
I think it should be replaced with "da mafia in Washington".
He could use all the names just to make sure it is understood.
Quote from: Caleb on February 11, 2007, 10:40 AM NHFT
I think the logical place for someone to send it would be the IRS. Probably about the only interaction most of us have with the federal government most of the time is paying taxes. Most of the truly awful things they do take place in other countries.
If anyone receives money from the feds, I think a divorce means you have to give up the benefits.
Probably not much you can do, though, if you aren't the breadwinner. Other than asking your husband to sign it and quit paying taxes. You can also let all state officials know that you are no longer part of the federal government.
It's more of a moral statement than anything
So, if you work for the fed gov't, you couldn't do it to the IRS? Couldn't you do it to the IRS, and change your w4 to have the minimum amt of tax taken from your check (claim 13 dependents, although after 12 it can cause an audit), and then just not claim taxes and hope you don't get caught? If you stop filing after you have filed all these years, do you fall off their grid, or does that cause a computer flag to show you may not be paying?
Applauds for that!
Fantastic stuff. 8)
I never encourage the filing of papers to try to find a loophole. Particularly if the info is not true. I've heard the idea of writing in 13 or so dependents before. That's perjury. And if you are trying to be legal, it is a bad way to do it.
the amount of dependents is just a number to help you get the right number to come out .... it isnt' some grand legal statement.
It does two things though. It identifies you as a tax resister, and it makes it easy for the feds to convict you of perjury. :-X :(
yes, it does expose you to risk. There's always risk if you say "no" to them. But if they want to get you on taxes, they're going to pull up as many little charges as they can so as to scare you, but ultimately, what will be the result? Elaine Brown had how many charges? And they said five years for her. They realize that there are too many people who aren't paying, they can't possibly go after all of them, and if they give those they do go after gigantic sentences, it only makes the government look bad with a lot of people. (I think it's about 80 million people who don't pay.)
For me, getting up enough courage not to pay and not to file is the hardest part; once you've made that decision, who cares about a little tiny perjury charge they might be able to add?
Quote from: David on May 05, 2007, 10:45 PM NHFT
It does two things though. It identifies you as a tax resister, and it makes it easy for the feds to convict you of perjury. :-X :(
It also makes you un-able to purchase a gun from a gun-shop or someone with a FFL.
Question J on ATF form 4473
The IRS's own statistics have it that 16% of people don't pay part or all of what the IRS thinks they owe. Not quite 80 million, but still in the same ballpark.
Quote from: David on May 05, 2007, 10:45 PM NHFT
It does two things though. It identifies you as a tax resister, and it makes it easy for the feds to convict you of perjury. :-X :(
I have punched in 99 or 98 exemptions into the adp payroll system for me and others and it never led to special identification or prosecution from the feds. In that system you put in 99 for no fed/state income tax withdrawels and no ss. If you put in 98 it will take out ss but not income tax.
Quote from: error on May 06, 2007, 01:36 AM NHFT
The IRS's own statistics have it that 16% of people don't pay part or all of what the IRS thinks they owe. Not quite 80 million, but still in the same ballpark.
The 80 million number may actually be much too conservative of an estimate of the persons in the several states who DO NOT contribute to the income tax scam. This would include most children under 18 or who are still in school. This would also include some of the elderly people who are just living a quiet peaceful existence. This would also include all those who didn't "contribute" but file so they can get EIC(stolen from someone else under threat of gunpoint) or some other "benefit"...
Of course it would include the 16 million that file with the irs only to have the irs demand "proof" that you made more or less than you filed!?!
How can you "prove" a negative? Their "demand" that you "prove" you didn't make something...is totally ridiculous and insulting to the very fabric of what our country was built on...
Hey...preaching to the choir here...you know the rest...
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 06, 2007, 07:33 AM NHFTI have punched in 99 or 98 exemptions into the adp payroll system for me and others and it never led to special identification or prosecution from the feds. In that system you put in 99 for no fed/state income tax withdrawels and no ss. If you put in 98 it will take out ss but not income tax.
Since I am still an employee of a large company instead of a self-sufficient entrepreneur, pending completion of my Brilliant Plan(tm), I find the above interesting.
Since Social(ist) Security money is lifted right out of my paycheck before I even get my hands on it, and since I don't get a belated "bill" from the gov't such as the one for federal income tax, if the above is true, and 99 exemptions cause the fed machinery to cease taking out money for SS, how does the gov't plan on recouping that from the individual? Details would be helpful, as "by force" is a given. For example, there are tax courts, but I've not heard of SS courts, nor of people being convicted/charged with 'failure to pay SS'.
Quote from: David on May 04, 2007, 09:40 PM NHFT
I never encourage the filing of papers to try to find a loophole. Particularly if the info is not true. I've heard the idea of writing in 13 or so dependents before. That's perjury. And if you are trying to be legal, it is a bad way to do it.
Filing of papers????
My payroll person here said that filing up to 12 is perfectly legal. It is if you claim 13 that it triggers a "fraud" warning. If you claim 12, and file, you may have to owe money. But she said there is no penalty for doing so.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 06, 2007, 07:33 AM NHFT
Quote from: David on May 05, 2007, 10:45 PM NHFT
It does two things though. It identifies you as a tax resister, and it makes it easy for the feds to convict you of perjury. :-X :(
I have punched in 99 or 98 exemptions into the adp payroll system for me and others and it never led to special identification or prosecution from the feds. In that system you put in 99 for no fed/state income tax withdrawels and no ss. If you put in 98 it will take out ss but not income tax.
Russell, how do you do that? Is that a special system? Or do you mean I just claim 99 dependents? How would I go about claiming the deductions if I work for the fed gov't? Change my w4?
I am describing the actual way you input your exempt status into the biggest payroll system ADP. It never "triggered" anything in my case. I have never received a bill or nasty letter from the IRS.
Now I think if your company's payroll is through ADP that you can just go their web site and edit your W-4 yourself.
Quote from: error on May 16, 2007, 01:19 AM NHFT
Now I think if your company's payroll is through ADP that you can just go their web site and edit your W-4 yourself.
I will have to test that.