http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070427/REPOSITORY/704270305/1069/48HOURS
Of course, the feds paid for it.
I think I should drive up that way and slur my speech and do my best to appear inebriated. That way they'll spend time giving me the sobriety test, hassling me, search me and my car, etc... and let everyone else through.
Well I think they should make sure those cops are sober all the time. :)
Here's a fun thought experiment. What if a person were to:
Drive thru the area multiple times.
Have on hand a voice recording device -- tape recorder, MP3 voice recorder, or even just a cell phone opened up.
For a little more fun, to take a print-out of RSA 570 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lviii/570-a/570-A-mrg.htm)
Ideally and for extra credit, also have on hand a video recording device that does *NOT* record audio.
At the outset, have everything OFF and NOT recording.
When stopped by a cop, the first words would be "is it OK if I record this conversation?"
If the cop says "no", simply switch on the video-ONLY-no-audio recording device. He's not allowed to tell anyone to turn off a pure video recording. Any complaints the officer has about that, he can be referred to RSA 570-A... or just give consent to be audio recorded.
Once that's settled:
* if being audio-only recorded, be curteous and polite in voice, but make rude faces. Stick out tongue, etc. Act like the officer is being offensive and rude when he asks "why are you looking at me funny?"
* if being video-only recorded, make remarks about rampant police brutality, the 92-year-old woman murdered by our "protectors", the "armed gang of thugs", Michael Gannon, Eugene Siler (http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking3/WODCampaign.html), etc.
... hilarity ensues, as well as a PERFECT piece of evidence to support the next attempt at "Gannon legislation"
This is the type of stuff id like to do with my company. It would be a perfect chance for invisible theatre. Basically you would have a caravan of people. and then you would have this person doing those things. then in the cars behind them people would start complaining and honking and trying to cause a ruckus and get the other people in line to think and talk about it.
Or everyone pull off to the side of the road and get out of there cars and just camp out till the police go away.
or perhaps get out and lock there keys in there car.
Or you could have people posted at intersections near buy with sings saying Warning, "violations of private property and illegal search and seizure ahead. If you love freedom honk and take a different rout"
Or a combination of a lot of things, basically peacefully making sure the cops don?t want to do this again.
I?m not sure how good my ideas are but those are just off the top of my head. Yet, the possibilities are endless.
I think it'd be funnier if we got a lot of people to drive through there and pull a Russell--refuse to show any documentation of any kind, regardless of whether or not you actually have any.
I wonder if they would arrest everyone :P
Quote from: Rochelle on April 27, 2007, 07:06 PM NHFT
I wonder if they would arrest everyone
I have no doubts about that one.
They did this on route 4 in Epson on New Years Eve. I drove through once each way, because I had to. For those who haven't seen the enormity of this operation, it's worth driving through just to experience it.
They have at least a dozen squad cars, and dozens of cops on foot. Huge floodlights set up that turn the night in to day. Tow trucks on hand to tow offending cars away. Cones are set up in the traffic lanes to herd the cars through. They make everyone drive through real slowly and if you have an old car, are black, have a light out, or attract suspicion somehow, they flag you to pull over in to the inspection area. Then they go on their fishing trip.
On a related note, the Border Patrol had a checkpoint set up on 93S up by Lincoln the other day. I don't know how frequent that is, but they made every single vehicle stop in the lane of traffic. Everyone put their window down and undoubtedly made some nervous greeting to the cops standing there, who would then wave them through. When I got up there I didn't put my window down and just scowled at the cop until he waved me through >:(
I probably would have gotten myself arrested. "The Mexicans are coming across the OTHER border!"
Quote from: d_goddard on April 27, 2007, 05:14 PM NHFT
When stopped by a cop, the first words would be "is it OK if I record this conversation?"
My first words would be, "For our mutual protection I am notifying you that this conversation is being recorded."
If a cop doesn't like that, he can go away.
Quote from: supperman15 on April 27, 2007, 05:47 PM NHFTeveryone pull off to the side of the road and get out of there cars and just camp out till the police go away.
;D
CHECK POINTS - WTF.
Sounds like "those EVIL countries" we used to hear about . . .
It can't happen here - right? We are "the freest country in the world" - right?
"Our government" could/would never turn EVIL - right?
plannign complex fantasy operations is great but in the meantime dont forget you can CALL the perps, they are listed below. I've called others on this issue, hopefully i will be able to call all these too.
By WALTER ALARKON
Monitor staff
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April 27. 2007 8:00AM
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he police will conduct a sobriety checkpoint in the Epsom area this weekend.
Officers will stop drivers to see if they are under the influence. The police didn't specify the time or location of the checkpoint. Pembroke Police Chief Scott Lane said it would likely be on either Route 28 or 4. The Merrimack County Sheriff's Office and the police from Epsom, Pembroke and Allenstown had received a federal grant to pay for the checkpoint.
WALTER ALARKON
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I wasnt going to make a thread about it but I'll mention the feds were set up at exit 30 asking everyone if they were a citizen again, I got stopped and just nodded and got waved ahead.
I wonder if they can only do it on federal highways?
Quote from: aries on April 27, 2007, 10:06 PM NHFT
I wasnt going to make a thread about it but I'll mention the feds were set up at exit 30 asking everyone if they were a citizen again, I got stopped and just nodded and got waved ahead.
I wonder if they can only do it on federal highways?
Which day was that? I saw it yesterday, and wondered if it was a permanent thing or what?
Quote from: Insurgent on April 27, 2007, 10:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: aries on April 27, 2007, 10:06 PM NHFT
I wasnt going to make a thread about it but I'll mention the feds were set up at exit 30 asking everyone if they were a citizen again, I got stopped and just nodded and got waved ahead.
I wonder if they can only do it on federal highways?
Which day was that? I saw it yesterday, and wondered if it was a permanent thing or what?
Thursday, so yesterday for your post.
It's only set up for one whole day, every few months.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 27, 2007, 09:43 PM NHFT
Officers will stop drivers to see if they are under the influence. The police didn't specify the time or location of the checkpoint. Pembroke Police Chief Scott Lane said it would likely be on either Route 28 or 4. The Merrimack County Sheriff's Office and the police from Epsom, Pembroke and Allenstown had received a federal grant to pay for the checkpoint.
If anyone is coming to the party at my house tonight they should be extra-careful about this. The last time they did this the checkpoint was on 28 about 1/2 mile south of my house.
There's a party at your house tonight?!
Maybe we should look at this as an opportunity rather than only a problem.
Since a lot of you will be in that area for the party, it shouldn't be that hard for one of you to find the checkpoint and report its location to the others in the area. Then any one of you could then go out and do what I do: Approach the cops with a sign and a flyer.
I won't be out there this weekend but hope to make some complaint calls next week.
You can call its location in to 413-0411 and I'll make sure everyone finds out about it. ;D
Places to call and gripe :
Sheriff Scott Hilliard
shilliard@merrimacksheriff.net
Merrimack County Sheriff's Office
Merrimack County Courthouse
163 North Main Street
Concord, New Hampshire 03301-5001
(603)225-5583 FAX (603)225-5630
Citizens Wanted
Volunteers are needed for the Highway Dept. Facilities Committee. Interested parties please contact the Epsom Selectmen's Office 736-9002 or send letter of interest to PO Box 10 Epsom, NH 03234.
EPSOM PD
Business: 736-9624
Fax: 736-8421
980 Suncook Valley Highway
Epsom, NH 03234
Pembroke Police Department
Pembroke Safety Center
247 Pembroke St.
Pembroke, NH 03275
Business: (603) 485-9173
Fax: (603) 485-4028
Allenstown Police Chief Shaun Mulholland chiefmulholland@comcast.net Allenstown PD
alenstown Police Department
40 Allenstown Rd.
Allenstown, NH 03275
Phone # (603)485-9500
Fax # (603) 485-9589
General Email: apdadminassist@comcast.net
Quote from: aries on April 27, 2007, 10:06 PM NHFT
I wonder if they can only do it on federal highways?
"Federal" highways are just a different naming scheme. The feds don't own them (with rare exceptions, like the Blue Ridge Parkway, which is a national park). A truck patching a hole on I-93 is going to read "NHDOT" on the side, not "U.S. DOT".
They "can do it" because they're providing the money, and the state and local agencies will salute smartly and do whatever is required to get the money.
Kevin
Quote from: KBCraig on April 28, 2007, 11:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: aries on April 27, 2007, 10:06 PM NHFT
I wonder if they can only do it on federal highways?
. . . A truck patching a hole on I-93 is going to read "NHDOT" on the side, not "U.S. DOT".
. . . and the state and local agencies will salute smartly and do whatever is required to get the money.
Kevin
The POLITICIANS are guilty.
We need to stop funding Washington!
AND - we need to have the brains to stop taking evil bribes from EVIL (anti-Liberty) central control.
U.S. out of ____________ (fill in the blank.)
I say, U.S. out of N.H.
Where are the so called "limited government" Republicans?
Where are the so called "individual rights" Democrats?
It seems to me that both major parties have SOULED out.
They have sold their souls.
i didnt know politicans had souls to sell... well leave it to a buddhist to be confused by this idea of souls...
Quote from: KBCraig on April 28, 2007, 11:38 PM NHFT
They "can do it" because they're providing the money, and the state and local agencies will salute smartly and do whatever is required to get the money.
Don't you guys know that Federal money is free?
I hear it all the time like Fed money is mana from Heaven.
I just tell them it still comes from taxpayer's pockets... just a different pocket.
Quote from: Dreepa on April 29, 2007, 01:58 PM NHFTI just tell them it still comes from taxpayer's pockets... just a different pocket.
No. It's the same pockets. Yours and mine.
Quote from: supperman15 on April 29, 2007, 01:56 PM NHFT
i didnt know politicans had souls to sell... well leave it to a buddhist to be confused by this idea of souls...
While I'll admit to being a bit confused . . . I had no idea that just reading "The Teachings Of Buddha" [bukkyo dendo kyokai] made me a Buddhist. ;D
(Kidding obviously. You had no idea what I'm currently reading.)
Quote from: Quantrill on April 27, 2007, 04:35 PM NHFT
I think I should drive up that way and slur my speech and do my best to appear inebriated. That way they'll spend time giving me the sobriety test, hassling me, search me and my car, etc... and let everyone else through.
Reminds me of the old "designated decoy" joke.
Quote from: John on April 29, 2007, 02:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: supperman15 on April 29, 2007, 01:56 PM NHFT
i didnt know politicans had souls to sell... well leave it to a buddhist to be confused by this idea of souls...
While I'll admit to being a bit confused . . . I had no idea that just reading "The Teachings Of Buddha" [bukkyo dendo kyokai] made me a Buddhist. ;D
(Kidding obviously. You had no idea what I'm currently reading.)
actualy we have introduced a new magic wand pollicy ;D
Quote from: Insurgent on April 27, 2007, 10:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: aries on April 27, 2007, 10:06 PM NHFT
I wasnt going to make a thread about it but I'll mention the feds were set up at exit 30 asking everyone if they were a citizen again, I got stopped and just nodded and got waved ahead.
I wonder if they can only do it on federal highways?
Which day was that? I saw it yesterday, and wondered if it was a permanent thing or what?
I should mention - this ended up staying up from Thurs-Sun
I got stopped by it 4 times
4 times?!?!
WTF?
Quote from: aries on May 04, 2007, 04:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: Insurgent on April 27, 2007, 10:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: aries on April 27, 2007, 10:06 PM NHFT
I wasnt going to make a thread about it but I'll mention the feds were set up at exit 30 asking everyone if they were a citizen again, I got stopped and just nodded and got waved ahead.
I wonder if they can only do it on federal highways?
Which day was that? I saw it yesterday, and wondered if it was a permanent thing or what?
I should mention - this ended up staying up from Thurs-Sun
I got stopped by it 4 times
How did the stops end up going down?
Called most of the police departments above and left messages or talked with someone.
Talked live with Chief Blain ...I think it is the second time we have gone back and forth on this.
He says the checkpoints aren't random and they have to go thru a lot of hoops. I said they seem random to the drivers.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 10, 2007, 06:59 PM NHFT
He says the checkpoints aren't random and they have to go thru a lot of hoops. I said they seem random to the drivers.
Thanks Dave! Food for thought for Mr. Blain....
Well, yes, but most of the hoops are related to getting the federal government to pay for them.
Whether or not they are "random" shouldn't even matter. This guy should be against using gestapo tactics on American citizens. Has he no shame?
If you have to actively seek out people to arrest, then something is horribly wrong...
victimless crimes by nature, don't have victims. So there is no one to report the 'crime'.
I'm not sure how some of the new breathalyzers work - some are obviously electronic in nature and are built into the flashlights that they shine into your face.
There's an issue of sensor sensitivity and signal-to-noise ratio. If you can mess up the sensor - likely all of their data will be wrong or inadmissible. If you can raise the baseline signal high enough, and saturate the sensor, then they really won't be able to detect anything.
What if someone were to ride by, get stopped, and release a ziplock bag full of ethanol and acetaldehyde, maybe with a little bit of mercaptoethanol mixed in just for fun. The vapors released when the bag got run over or stepped on after you drove off might mess up the sensors, and the mercaptoethanol might semi-permanently deactivate the sensor surface as well as adding that putrid gas leak/skunk smell for the Nazi checkpoint workers to endure.
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Quote from: FTL_Ian on April 27, 2007, 09:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: d_goddard on April 27, 2007, 05:14 PM NHFT
When stopped by a cop, the first words would be "is it OK if I record this conversation?"
My first words would be, "For our mutual protection I am notifying you that this conversation is being recorded."
If a cop doesn't like that, he can go away.
I have an old panasonic head unit (radio) in my car and it actually has a voicerecord feature, one button press and it records whatever is said in the cab, and it works pretty well. I thought about using it during a traffic stop but a friend informed me that even if I tell the cop I'm recording this he can say he won't speak while being recorded.
Any truth to that? I would figure that I'm not giving the cop permission to record me either, as normally happens when you get pulled over and realize that some cars (most I'd think) have the video recording feature that makes it's way to Paul Stojanovich's office at one point or another.
sobriety checkpoints are crap. I've got an AA chip hanging from my mirror so I rarely worry about being called intoxicated.
Quote from: AntonLee on June 25, 2007, 04:39 PM NHFT
I have an old panasonic head unit (radio) in my car and it actually has a voicerecord feature, one button press and it records whatever is said in the cab, and it works pretty well. I thought about using it during a traffic stop but a friend informed me that even if I tell the cop I'm recording this he can say he won't speak while being recorded.
You can't record someone's voice without their consent (in NH).
But... if you inform them that they
are being recorded, then if they continue to speak, they are effectively consenting to the recording.
Not saying you won't get arrested, roughed up, and have your property destroyed, but I think you'd be clear of the felony wiretapping charge.
Quote from: KBCraig on June 26, 2007, 11:16 AM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on June 25, 2007, 04:39 PM NHFT
I have an old panasonic head unit (radio) in my car and it actually has a voicerecord feature, one button press and it records whatever is said in the cab, and it works pretty well. I thought about using it during a traffic stop but a friend informed me that even if I tell the cop I'm recording this he can say he won't speak while being recorded.
You can't record someone's voice without their consent (in NH). But... if you inform them that they are being recorded, then if they continue to speak, they are effectively consenting to the recording.
Not saying you won't get arrested, roughed up, and have your property destroyed, but I think you'd be clear of the felony wiretapping charge.
Are TV stations exempt?