http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Police+cruiser+video+shows+last+moments+before+officer's+death&articleId=336d25d4-2c18-4b5b-9c47-b2879e801ea8#video (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Police+cruiser+video+shows+last+moments+before+officer's+death&articleId=336d25d4-2c18-4b5b-9c47-b2879e801ea8#video)
When a maniac was pulled over by a police office, the maniac decided to shoot the officer and run him over several times. A passerby, an ex-marine convicted for selling marijuana and attempting to knee a police officer, grabs the officer's gun and shoots the maniac twice. After hearing his story and reviewing the cruiser's videotape, the hero was "absolved of any wrongdoing."
Quote"The state ruled Floyd was justified in using deadly force against Kenney and will not face criminal charges even though -- as a convicted felon -- he could potentially face charges for grabbing both McKay's and Kenney's weapons."
Another one:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Shooter+says+Kenney+was+clearly+a+threat&articleId=90008917-fcc6-4294-aab3-c7e08a220e0b (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Shooter+says+Kenney+was+clearly+a+threat&articleId=90008917-fcc6-4294-aab3-c7e08a220e0b)
Everything I have heard about that cop and his killer leads me to believe we are better off without them. I can't believe how casually the cop sprays the pepper spray and walks away. Surprise!
It looks as if the cop killer is about to drive away in the video. Did the last guy to shoot chase him down? Was the LGTS in any danger?
From what I read, the shooter only wounded the cop. When he pulled away, as far as I've read, he proceeded to run the cop over! The hero saw it from across the street with his son and came to the cop's aide. He picked up the officer's gun, checked to see if it's loaded, and then shot the driver twice (all in, he says, 4 seconds).
Why didn't the officer have a partner, and why the hell did he turn his back on him?
Small town and the cop thought he had the monopoly on violence.
The state ruled that the police officer's peppering was reasonable based on the asshole's driving.
QuoteThe state also ruled Kenney, who did not have a license to carry a concealed weapon, was not justified in using deadly force -- his gun and car -- against McKay. It also ruled that McKay's actions during the traffic stop on Route 116 constituted a reasonable use of non-deadly force by a law enforcement officer.
He peppered the passenger as well.
Quotethe officer walking up to Liko Kenney's car and quickly pepper-spraying Kenney and his passenger
Fortunately for the hero, Mr. Floyd, the passenger wasn't also armed.
I'm not yet clear on why is the guy a hero. Did he stop any further loss of life? Did he engage the bad guy in a gun battle or shoot him as he tried to get away?
The officer was not yet dead, and the shooter had reloaded his gun with intent to use it again. The article also mentions the killer had a violent past and even told a police officer that he hated the Franconia police and would "take things into his own hands." He even mentioned the cop whom he killed by name (as they had a fallout in 2003). Who knows how many people this man planned on killing.
Did any one else notice that the camera is set at an angle so you can't see the officer. I wonder if that was done on purpose?
It's a cruiser cam. It's mounted on the car, and was positioned forward so it can record police pull-overs.
I watched the YouTube videos, including the 2003 incident, and I think that Kenney - the guy who murdered the cop - was a problem from the get go. When he was pulled over this year, he fled, he was pursued, he fled again, he was pursued and stopped. Because of past incidents, the cop pepper sprayed him immediately. Kenney had already put the lives of himself, the cop and Kenney's passenger at risk by fleeing from the cop - never mind any other people on the road at the time. I do agree that the cop should never have turned his back on Kenney - but he probably never figured the idiot would shoot him! After unloading an entire clip at the cop, Kenney ran over him twice leaving the cop pinned under the car. Floyd who has been described as a loner who lived on the edge of town who might be considered by some to be far from the perfect town resident, stopped, retrieved the cop's gun, told Kenney to put the gun down or die, and when Kenney refused, he shot and killed him. I think he did the right thing.
As far as why was this cop alone - there are very few cops in that area - so I'm guessing they are always alone. Even Manchester's cops are usually riding alone.
If nothing else, I am glad that the officer's family will not have to go through a trial and relive this nightmare over and over again.
At the end of the video, it appears the guy who shot was moving the car to get away, which wouldn't pose a threat against Floyd, although if getting away meant running over a wounded cop, I guess he did the right thing. As an armed fugitive, I agree, there is no telling what he might have done.
I'm guessing there was no real need to pull the guy over in the first place - some traffic stop?
A friend and I have discussed this whole case in detail, back to the 2003 incident. He agrees with me that McKay's badge-heavy attitude contributed directly to his own death.
My buddy is no cop-hater... he has been a cop for 30 years, and is director of the police academy for a major statewide agency in Texas. But he understands the difference between "law enforcement officer", and "peace officer". He also understands that even nutjobs with anger management problems have the right to be left alone, and that poking a wildcat with a stick is a good way to get scratched.
I bet if you could ask McKay right now, he'd agree he could have avoid this whole downward spiral if he'd handled that 2003 stop differently. If he'd just left it at a "welfare check" on a motorist stopped in a snowstorm, asked Kenney if he needed a ride or assistance, then wished him well and gone on his way, I imagine both lives would have been very different over the ensuing four years.
Kevin
And today
I'm quite disturbed with this story, and disturbed about my mixed feelings on the whole thing.
If the kid was a scumbag, he has the right to be a scumbag. If this is just some pothead kid, that happened to talk back and who knew his rights when pulled over by this same officer before, but this time the officer wanted to give him a little reminder of who was the cop. . . then I don't think this was wrong.
But where I"m torn is that I don't know if the cop was back towards the kid when he shot him. I personally can't stand a guy who shoots you in the back. . .
If this kid was a real danger, a danger enough to pepperspray, why would the cop turn his back?? Is this to avoid getting any residual pepperspray himself. Either way it still doesn't seem very smart. If he's being peppersprayed then he must have done something illegal right? Please don't mind my questions, I just have a lot of them.
The marine, the hero as he's called, shot someone who in my opinion, might have just been defending himself from a possible subsequent pepperspraying by using his weapon against an overbearing officer. It seems like a movie scene waiting to happen, at least the television shows seemed to think so.
They're cops. This one, like so many others, happened to have a long history of being a bad cop.
OK - unloading a 7 round magazine into the back of a cop is far too much of a reaction to being pepper sprayed.....for whatever reason.
Floyd on the other hand, witnessed a person unload his gun into a cop and then to proceed to run over him twice. He told him that he would kill him if he didn't drop his weapon - Kenney didn't and he shot him. I think he was justified in doing so.
Are some cops just asses and create tension - yes....but that doesn't give you the right to shoot them.
Quote from: ny2nh on June 27, 2007, 05:07 AM NHFT
OK - unloading a 7 round magazine into the back of a cop is far too much of a reaction to being pepper sprayed.....for whatever reason.
May have been exactly that. A reaction to getting sprayed. I can't get over the nonchalant way the cop walked away after spraying him. "see how he likes that"
I think spraying him escalated the situation.
Both sides did really stupid things that caused the situation to escalate. At one point in the video, the guy has pulled over for the cop and the cop is taking forever to actually get out of the car and tell the guy why. It seems the guy finally gets fed up and leaves. Not smart, of course. I'm sure the cop was doing those paperwork things like running plates and such though it did seems to take an unusually long time. Of course the shooting was ridiculous. Still, if someone is obviously resistant and potentially (and likely) hostile, you don't walk up, provoke them in a very vindictive way, and then turn and walk away in disgust. At the very least, it was wreckless, even if he was justified. Isn't it possible they were both very wrong in their actions? Floyd sounds like the most reasonable of the three.
Here's an interesting thought experiment to try though. Imagine the entire scene playing out where the cop isn't actually in an elitist position of authority over "normal" people. Imagine he's just another person without any special uniform or marked car who is expected to follow all the same rules of interaction with others as everyone else. He chases someone down in his car, backs him into a corner, and sprays painful chemicals in his face and walks away with an angry look on his face. Changes the whole scene, huh?
:o
Quote from: dalebert on June 27, 2007, 08:45 AM NHFT
Both sides did really stupid things that caused the situation to escalate. At one point in the video, the guy has pulled over for the cop and the cop is taking forever to actually get out of the car and tell the guy why. It seems the guy finally gets fed up and leaves. Not smart, of course. I'm sure the cop was doing those paperwork things like running plates and such though it did seems to take an unusually long time. Of course the shooting was ridiculous. Still, if someone is obviously resistant and potentially (and likely) hostile, you don't walk up, provoke them in a very vindictive way, and then turn and walk away in disgust. At the very least, it was wreckless, even if he was justified. Isn't it possible they were both very wrong in their actions? Floyd sounds like the most reasonable of the three.
Here's an interesting thought experiment to try though. Imagine the entire scene playing out where the cop isn't actually in an elitist position of authority over "normal" people. Imagine he's just another person without any special uniform or marked car who is expected to follow all the same rules of interaction with others as everyone else. He chases someone down in his car, backs him into a corner, and sprays painful chemicals in his face and walks away with an angry look on his face. Changes the whole scene, huh?
:o
I take that the elitist position we as a nation have given police to mean that they're especially trained in order to not lose their cool, to keep calm and keep the situation from escalating. This cop seems to me that he has it in for this guy. A fellow at work and I spoke about this, and we wonder if this "problem" between the kid and the cop isn't only being rekindled each time because the cop keeps pulling the kid over. I mean, do you think the kid is going to the cop to pick a fight?
The police bs gets me more fired up than any illegal alien topic lol
A study of pepper spray uses found that in about a quarter (if I'm remembering correctly) of uses, the spray escalated the situation rather than subduing the individual.