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From a PORC 411 message Dave Ridley was harassed today by the cops as he was walking to Murphy's Taproom while he was open carrying. The police stopped him for over 15 minutes.

A second message was also sent from Porc 411 saying that the police allowed Dave to go about his business.  ;D



jitco:

I went through the 15 minutes and amplified the audio when Russel and the cop talk so that it can be heard. Some of it is still not clear enough to be heard though. Feel free to put this link earlier in the thread with the original audio link.

http://www.iknowmyrights.com/opencarry.mp3

10 people came out of Murphy's tap room to witness and record the event. :)

I went there before I went into Murphy's.   ;)

I got a picture of the illegally parked police vehicle on my camera phone.  Can't read the license plate though.   I was thinking of calling the police station and reporting an illegally-parked vehicle...



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Can hear Russell in the background pretty much yelling at the cops.

Russell? Yelling?

He sounded testy with the gestapo.

Did he resort to salty language?

I don't think he knows any salty language.

We've been trying, but, he can't seem to learn

Salty language? Whats That?

http://keenefreepress.com/opencarry.wav Dave's phone call

Quote from: Pat K on August 04, 2007, 03:35 PM NHFT
Salty language? Whats That?

You know, things like "gosh darn" and "oh heck", and those other sayings you learned in the navy.

http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=585&Itemid=36

I stole your title Slim ... thanks for catching the call. :)

Quote from: KBCraig on August 04, 2007, 05:01 PM NHFT

Quote from: Pat K on August 04, 2007, 03:35 PM NHFT
Salty language? Whats That?

You know, things like "gosh darn" and "oh heck", and those other sayings you learned in the navy.

I prefer PG versions of Chris Farley
"Holy Schneikeys!"

Quote from: TackleTheWorld on August 04, 2007, 11:11 AM NHFT
10 people came out of Murphy's tap room to witness and record the event. :)

It started about 15 minutes before it opened. Roger and I got there first and by that time there were already 2 cops. From there we gained more spectators both friends and cops.

I'm curious...have there been any incidents like this in Keene?

Listening to that made me sick! It seems to me that is a completely illegal stop and detainment. Here are some links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion

I'll be there soon (hopefully soon enough) and walk right with you Dave! :icon_pirat:

Jeremy

Quote from: jitgos on August 04, 2007, 07:16 PM NHFT
Listening to that made me sick! It seems to me that is a completely illegal stop and detainment.

I doubt it.  The cops are allowed to stop you at anytime.  The cops are allowed to hold you for hours and hours.  It seems legal.

This is what some cops do.

Quote from: shyfrog on August 04, 2007, 07:00 PM NHFT
I'm curious...have there been any incidents like this in Keene?

Yes. Dave told me today that he had been harassed while open carrying in Keene.

Quote from: Keith and Stuff on August 04, 2007, 07:22 PM NHFT
I doubt it.  The cops are allowed to stop you at anytime.  The cops are allowed to hold you for hours and hours.  It seems legal.

This is what some cops do.

yawn

Quote from: jitgos on August 04, 2007, 07:16 PM NHFT
I'll be there soon (hopefully soon enough) and walk right with you Dave! :icon_pirat:

Jeremy

that sounds like a great plan :)

50 people open carrying to the MVP meeting next month?

Quote from: Caleb on August 04, 2007, 07:33 PM NHFT

Quote from: shyfrog on August 04, 2007, 07:00 PM NHFT
I'm curious...have there been any incidents like this in Keene?

Yes. Dave told me today that he had been harassed while open carrying in Keene.

A different Dave...when his own brother called the cops on his as a prank.

Quote from: error on August 04, 2007, 08:02 PM NHFT
50 people open carrying to the MVP meeting next month?

anyone got a toy gun for me?

I went through the 15 minutes and amplified the audio when Russel and the cop talk so that it can be heard. Some of it is still not clear enough to be heard though. Feel free to put this link earlier in the thread with the original audio link.

http://www.iknowmyrights.com/opencarry.mp3

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 04, 2007, 08:15 PM NHFT
anyone got a toy gun for me?

Come on Russell...a gun is only as bad or as good as the person holding it.
It's a lot like the Government, where the person who does not wish to hold the gun probably should be the one holding the gun.

Dada, that was fantastic. You were calm, collected, logical, informative, and firm. I'm hopeful that on that day the police learned something about what freedom is.

So many of the things I'd heard the policeman say upset me, specifically the "not allowed to gather" - enumerated freedom of assembly, anyone? - the excuse of the presumed "freedom from fear" (which isn't even applicable in this case), etc.; I'm very happy to be able to hear it "first-hand", as it were.

Without getting into details (and mods, please delete/edit if this wasn't already addressed), how did you justify "recording" the conversation to porc411? I don't need to be convinced - NH is dead wrong on the issue, but the issue may cause problems for those involved.

As for myself, since Nevada *seems* to allow subjects to record oral conversations with the consent of only one party (http://rcfp.org/taping/), I need to find a small, durable, and hopefully inexpensive audio recorder to use if/when I have any interaction with the gov't. Any suggestions right off the top of some folks' heads?

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 04, 2007, 05:37 PM NHFT
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=585&Itemid=36

I stole your title Slim ... thanks for catching the call. :)

Glad I could contribute something  ;D

Quote from: penguins4me on August 04, 2007, 09:20 PM NHFT
Any suggestions right off the top of some folks' heads?

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7595_102-0.html?forumID=71&threadID=31963&messageID=366572

Quote from: penguins4me on August 04, 2007, 09:20 PM NHFT
As for myself, since Nevada *seems* to allow subjects to record oral conversations with the consent of only one party (http://rcfp.org/taping/), I need to find a small, durable, and hopefully inexpensive audio recorder to use if/when I have any interaction with the gov't. Any suggestions right off the top of some folks' heads?

http://www.hellodirect.com/hellodirect/Shop?DSP=30102&PCR=1:1:5:30:290&IID=13323&itemskuid=13323

You can plug the recorder directly into your computer.

PM me if you're interested.  I can get products from this company for pretty cheap.

I'd love to see even a partial transcript of this engagement.

"I'm not required to give you that information".   Somebody count how many times Dave said that!

"It's important to excersize all the rights we have left.  We don't have that many left."



Dave, seriously, you are the man...

Some buzzwords and catch phrases to remember:

"Am I under arrest? Am I free to go?" <---of course!

"Is this an investigatory stop?"

"May I ask your articulable suspicion that crime is afoot?" (That's the legal standard for a Terry stop.)

"What crime do you believe I just committed, am committing, or are about to commit?" (The definition of "crime afoot" from Terry.)

Those officers also told several lies. The most bald-faced was the claim that criminals frequently open carry.

Anyone recording should tell the cops that you participate in the copwatch program and that you are only observing.  Or, try to somehow remain anonymous when publishing it on a public forum. 

Criminals open carrying? The only criminals I've ever seen open carrying also wear badges.

I hope some more of you Manchester guys can be ready to be reporters in these situations so you can upload content to the Manchfreepress site soon. :)

Quote from: Facilitator on August 04, 2007, 08:47 PM NHFT

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 04, 2007, 08:15 PM NHFT
anyone got a toy gun for me?

Come on Russell...a gun is only as bad or as good as the person holding it.

I was mostly thinking that it would have been good for them to be hassling me yesterday over a toy gun. :)
I should have had a kazoo in my pocket ... maybe a red wig and a trike to ride around the cops.

Created a video using portions of the Porc 411 call sychronized with my video footage.

I arrived and started my recording a minute and a half after Dave's call began.

I need to take the file to someone with broadband to upload.

In addition I ended up leaving my battery charger at Murphy's. Would some one from Manchester be willing to pick up the battery and charger and deliver it to the moving party today? I could get someone to bring it back to Keene. Save me a 180 mile round trip, I need to get back to work... I played hookie yesterday and was up until 2 am with this. I have a deadline that I need to meet.

Quote from: David on August 04, 2007, 10:33 PM NHFT
Anyone recording should tell the cops that you participate in the copwatch program and that you are only observing.  Or, try to somehow remain anonymous when publishing it on a public forum. 

That's a good idea ... if someone is risk averse.  ;)

Massive credit to Tom Sawyer and wife who worked to create and deliver this video to the world.
Dave's Open Carry 08/04/07 (http://www.youtube.com/v/5FWXnK5UyRI)

 8)
Dave Rocks   :icon_cheers:

Thanks for posting the video TTW.  8)

You fancy folks with your high speed internet.  ;D

Also error should  get credit for creating and maintaining Porc411 :thanks:

Yeah what a powerful activist tool it is.  8)

Hey Tom, really great job of mixing the phone call with the VDO, fantastic.    ;D 8)

Yeah it adds a whole nother dimension... almost surreal.

Dave is really good at commentary and it really makes it more exciting.  8)

Quote from: TackleTheWorld on August 05, 2007, 09:53 AM NHFT
Massive credit to Tom Sawyer and wife who worked to create and deliver this video to the world.
Dave's Open Carry 08/04/07 (http://www.youtube.com/v/5FWXnK5UyRI)

Trying out the new embed function:

[youtube=425,350]5FWXnK5UyRI[/youtube]

It's deplorable that Dave was stopped and questioned at all, but to keep things in perspective, he wasn't disarmed or handcuffed and they didn't demand to run the serial number of his pistol. I can't imagine the incident unfolding like this in any other state.

Compare and contrast to sjhipple's open carry incident in Virginia, where he wasn't breaking any laws either.

Yeah my real problem with the incident is the implied detention. A couple of armed men surrounding you in the ready to draw posture implies that you are being held. A less informed citizen could reasonably believe that he has to do what they say and is required to answer their questions.

I think this is shown by how the Manchester Sergeant didn't want to agree that Dave had been accosted, but then wanted me to stop taping him. They knew that they were very close to having unlawfully detained him.

Transcript?  I having a little trouble making it all out.

-Ben

Quote from: TackleTheWorld on August 05, 2007, 10:10 AM NHFT
Also error should  get credit for creating and maintaining Porc411 :thanks:

Thanks! This is exactly the sort of thing (one of them, anyway) I had in mind when I set up Porc 411 (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=5248.0).

I had to laugh at Russell waving his hand in front of Uncle Fester's face. Didn't even get a flinch out of him... I think he was asleep.  ;D

Quote from: KBCraig on August 05, 2007, 01:12 PM NHFT
I had to laugh at Russell waving his hand in front of Uncle Fester's face. Didn't even get a flinch out of him... I think he was asleep.  ;D

;D
(http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams/f_charge.jpg)

Quote from: KBCraig on August 05, 2007, 01:12 PM NHFT
I had to laugh at Russell waving his hand in front of Uncle Fester's face. Didn't even get a flinch out of him... I think he was asleep.  ;D

'Donuts.. Must remain standing. Must retain eye focus. Donuts..'

This would be a great story for the inaugural edition of the Manchvegas Lowdown/Free Press  paper.

I wonder if this Dada character is available for an interview?
:icon_pirat:

One thing I have to say about Dave - is that he conducts himslef in a respectful manner....and that makes his acts of civil disobedience far more effective.

Dave wasn't even breaking the law!

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 04:37 PM NHFT
One thing I have to say about Dave - is that he conducts himslef in a respectful manner....and that makes his acts of civil disobedience far more effective.

I agree, Dave's demeanor is most affective, but this was definitely not disobedience.

Roger,

Well done on the video.  I will be submitting Lauren's edit of the "Tilting at Windmills" event for broadcast as fill programming on Cheshire TV.  If you want to put some of your more recent packages in broadcast quality on a DVD and send it to me I would be happy to submit them as well!

Quote from: Facilitator on August 05, 2007, 05:01 PM NHFT

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 04:37 PM NHFT
One thing I have to say about Dave - is that he conducts himslef in a respectful manner....and that makes his acts of civil disobedience far more effective.

I agree, Dave's demeanor is most affective, but this was definitely not disobedience.

I don't know, when the officers treat legal behaviour as illegal behaviour isn't it disobedience in a way? Lawful disobedience to officers of the law who don't know the law, rather than disobedience of laws viewed as immoral?

Quote from: Lasse on August 05, 2007, 05:38 PM NHFT
I don't know, when the officers treat legal behaviour as illegal behaviour isn't it disobedience in a way? Lawful disobedience to officers of the law who don't know the law, rather than disobedience of laws viewed as immoral?

No.

That video is great. Putting on the headphones and turning it up loud brings most every comment into the audible range. You guys backed 'em down. Well done!!!

Much thanks to roger for the staunch video work  and everyone who poured out of the Taproom to observe.   meant a great deal to me.

Tackle ... can you send me a version of this so I don't have to watch youtube skip over and over again?

Quote from: KBCraig on August 05, 2007, 11:07 AM NHFT
It's deplorable that Dave was stopped and questioned at all, but to keep things in perspective, he wasn't disarmed or handcuffed ....

that is why I just complained about the "detention" of my friend.

Thanks for the video, Roger and Lauren!  Very cool, Dave.

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 05, 2007, 08:08 PM NHFT
Tackle ... can you send me a version of this so I don't have to watch youtube skip over and over again?

You'll see the footage when I go to edit it into the FSP piece we're doing. I'll give you a copy of all the footage involved. I called and got the interview with Keith Murphy lined up, I'll do that when I go get my battery charger.
I loaded the other footage we shot... it turned out well.

Dave was just the unexpected element that presented itself.

Elizabeth didn't even realize where we were going until she got the Porc411 e-mail and heard your voice and Dave refer to me.  ;D

Quote from: Lasse on August 05, 2007, 05:38 PM NHFT

Quote from: Facilitator on August 05, 2007, 05:01 PM NHFT

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 04:37 PM NHFT
One thing I have to say about Dave - is that he conducts himslef in a respectful manner....and that makes his acts of civil disobedience far more effective.

I agree, Dave's demeanor is most affective, but this was definitely not disobedience.

I don't know, when the officers treat legal behaviour as illegal behaviour isn't it disobedience in a way? Lawful disobedience to officers of the law who don't know the law, rather than disobedience of laws viewed as immoral?

Actually wasn't referring to this specific event but to Dave overall (sorry - had been out in the sun at the machine gun shoot all day).

I said from the get go that stopping Dave was not right as he was doing nothing wrong....but even still, Dave remained calm and was very polite with both the state police officer and the Manchester police officers.

I would think what Dave did was far more effective as far as making one of those officers less likely to stop someone just because they were carrying open in the future. Getting in their faces and ranting is far less effective....and considering the circumstances, I am impressed that Dave stays so calm and continues to instead reiterate what his rights are.

Why the state police stopped him in the first place is the most important question...not why additional police officers showed up afterwards. Once people started to come out of Murphy's to see what was going on, the group of onlookers grew....and the Manchester police had no idea that that same group was not going to get out of control....so they send additional cops. That was responsible on their part. What was wrong is them stopping Dave in the first place.

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 08:50 PM NHFT
Getting in their faces and ranting is far less effective.

What is your evidence for this statement?

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 08:50 PM NHFTWhat was wrong is them stopping Dave in the first place.

After this,  nothing they did could be described as responsible. They were reacting to a situation they created.

Quote from: KBCraig on August 05, 2007, 11:07 AM NHFT
It's deplorable that Dave was stopped and questioned at all, but to keep things in perspective, he wasn't disarmed or handcuffed and they didn't demand to run the serial number of his pistol. I can't imagine the incident unfolding like this in any other state.

Compare and contrast to sjhipple's open carry incident in Virginia, where he wasn't breaking any laws either.

He shouldn't have been stopped.  All the stuff they didn't do afterwards doesn't matter.

The cops keep thinking they had been set up... a dozen people, the telephone reporter and video camera in a minute in a half. They had never experienced anything like it before.

Dave did a great job of politely, yet firmly resisting the interrogation. I/we can all learn from watching these incidents.

Russell's approach can also be learned from. His body language and manner shows that he is not intimidated by the authorities. It is a fine line to walk, but one that has it's place.

The great part was they were so busy with the yin and yang of Dada and Russell that they didn't pay me much attention. Often the camera makes them angry and I as you saw me just being a passive observer works best. As soon as I interacted with the Manchester cop it changed.

That guy was pure bullshit. He just wanted to walk around and talk nonsense to the crowd to show that they were in charge.

I find it very effective to get in the mugs of police thugs... I feel great afterwards. It is very freeing and quite theraputic.

oh ... you mean it is not effective in getting the cops to change their minds ... I hadn't thought of that ... us country bumpkins cannot think on many complicated levels like that.

btw ... I just threw the ranting in as a bonus.

have fun on your GOP politics :treadmill:

Kudos to all of you : :notworthy:

Quote from: error on August 04, 2007, 11:11 PM NHFT
Criminals open carrying? The only criminals I've ever seen open carrying also wear badges.

+1

Quote from: Lloyd  Danforth on August 05, 2007, 09:25 PM NHFT

Quote from: KBCraig on August 05, 2007, 11:07 AM NHFT
It's deplorable that Dave was stopped and questioned at all, but to keep things in perspective, he wasn't disarmed or handcuffed and they didn't demand to run the serial number of his pistol. I can't imagine the incident unfolding like this in any other state.

Compare and contrast to sjhipple's open carry incident in Virginia, where he wasn't breaking any laws either.

He shouldn't have been stopped.  All the stuff they didn't do afterwards doesn't matter.

I agree that he shouldn't have been stopped. But I think Dave is probably happy that he wasn't handcuffed, hauled to jail, had his gun confiscated, had his car towed (and "inventoried"searched), had to pay bond, had to pay for the towing/impound...

I was just pointing out the contrast between NH and most other states. This was totally unacceptable behavior by the police, but people in 48 other states would rejoice at the outcome.

Hence, the point of MOVING to the Free State!
:D

Couple things:

Dave... you are steadfast and a Rock... I Agree with NY2NH on this.  Your demeanor was great.

Russell... you crack me up.

TomSawyer.. great work as usual.

KBCraig... can you (or shipple etc) post this over on opencarry or some other forum.. it would be good to get the cross posting thing.  :)  I would but it would be better coming from someone with 'street cred'.

And how come no comment about them about to rip the signs down... but them oh a different story when it is girl scouts... Too Funny.  thinking the signs were Dave's.

... and those signs where down when I checked again. I think the evil cops did it.

Quote from: KBCraig on August 05, 2007, 10:02 PM NHFT

Quote from: Lloyd  Danforth on August 05, 2007, 09:25 PM NHFT

Quote from: KBCraig on August 05, 2007, 11:07 AM NHFT
It's deplorable that Dave was stopped and questioned at all, but to keep things in perspective, he wasn't disarmed or handcuffed and they didn't demand to run the serial number of his pistol. I can't imagine the incident unfolding like this in any other state.

Compare and contrast to sjhipple's open carry incident in Virginia, where he wasn't breaking any laws either.

He shouldn't have been stopped.  All the stuff they didn't do afterwards doesn't matter.

I agree that he shouldn't have been stopped. But I think Dave is probably happy that he wasn't handcuffed, hauled to jail, had his gun confiscated, had his car towed (and "inventoried"searched), had to pay bond, had to pay for the towing/impound...

I was just pointing out the contrast between NH and most other states. This was totally unacceptable behavior by the police, but people in 48 other states would rejoice at the outcome.

I don't know if it is a good thing that the cop didn't take it further.  The Lawsuit and court case might put an end to cops in NH (the state we are discussing here, Kevin) harrassing people who open carry.

Man what can one say, you guys are great!

Be able to play the video right from the forum page is cool.

It played for me perfect both audio and video.


When I get people here in NY to watch it they are gonna
freak out big time. ;D

For those who think because the cops were trying to "sound" civil that it wasn't really all that bad...

They lied and said they were responding to a citizens' complaint. There wasn't time for that to have happened.

How would this incident have gone if there were no witnesses? If Dada was black?
If there was someone who Dada had a similar name or discreption to that was wanted. It could have gone badly. (I have both read about and know of people this has happened to.)

Do the cops pull people over just to make sure that the person is allowed to drive? How about other lawful behavior?

The State Trooper was within his right to have a brief conversation with Dada. He could have watched his behavior. It was clear to me that he pretty quickly realized that Dada posed no threat, but once they call you in they feel they need to take it all the way.

Their procedure is to collect as much information as possible. They are used to demanding the papers of everyone they approach. They do this to people that are merely walking down the road. I've talked to people that this has happened to. They will some times act "nice" and offer the person a ride and then tell them that they of course need to search them before they get in the cruiser.

Quote from: Lloyd  Danforth on August 05, 2007, 09:21 PM NHFT

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 08:50 PM NHFTWhat was wrong is them stopping Dave in the first place.

After this,  nothing they did could be described as responsible. They were reacting to a situation they created.

The state police stopped him - the Manchester police were likely called as support.....so "they" were wrong to me would mean that the state police officer was wrong....the Manchester cops were just doing their job after being dispatched to do so.

The Manchester Sergeant was not interested in the sequence of events and made sure that he didn't address any of it.

That guy was the worst of the bunch. He was spinning nonsense and trying to appear to be reasonable. I say he should move back to Mass.  ;D

I have less of a problem with the State Trooper, I just don't like the procedures they train them to use.

When the Manchester Cops showed up they should have asked the state cop why he stopped Dave.  The Manchester cops are supposed to protect the rights of people in their city, even from state cops.
The point that should be made here is that Dave has an 'absolute' Right to open carry without being questioned.  Along with this Absolute Right is a state law that states Dave has a right to open carry.
Isn't it important that all LEO's know the law and enforce it evenly?  Doesn't it scare you that they don't?

Tammy.  What what do you think was the most important 2nd Amendment event in NH this Weekend?  The Machine Gun shoot?

Quote from: ny2nh on August 06, 2007, 07:46 AM NHFT
the Manchester cops were just doing their job after being dispatched to do so.

I heard that from the government thugs too.

Quote from: ny2nh on August 06, 2007, 07:46 AM NHFT

Quote from: Lloyd  Danforth on August 05, 2007, 09:21 PM NHFT

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 08:50 PM NHFTWhat was wrong is them stopping Dave in the first place.

After this,  nothing they did could be described as responsible. They were reacting to a situation they created.

The state police stopped him - the Manchester police were likely called as support.....so "they" were wrong to me would mean that the state police officer was wrong....the Manchester cops were just doing their job after being dispatched to do so.

"Doing their job" ought to have included reminding the state cops that open-carry is legal...

Right!  Why don't the cops protect Dave's right to defend himself - even if there were a citizen complaint?  If a citizen complains about someone casting spells on them do the police accost the "witch" too?  "Well, miss, we've got a complaint here and we have to do our jobs.  Just tell us your name, address, date of birth, where you're going, If you have any majic wands, if you have ever said the words, bibbety bobbity boo and we'll let you go. Unless we get you to admit a real crime, or you make a fuss, or we just don't like your face."

Quote from: Lloyd  Danforth on August 06, 2007, 08:02 AM NHFT
The point that should be made here is that Dave has an 'absolute' Right to open carry without being questioned. 

Not exactly, the cops are allowed to question you anywhere not on private property even without a defined reason.

You're referring to some 'aleged'law.  I meant Absolute.

A cop has as much right to ask you a question on the street as anyone else, be it for directions, spare change, the time, or whatever else he might dream up.  You don't have to answer him very much more than you have to answer the local panhandler.

One question Dave failed to ask was whether or not he was being charged with anything.  I would have asked that from the start and if they correctly said no then I would say then am I free to leave.

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 12:28 PM NHFT
One question Dave failed to ask was whether or not he was being charged with anything.  I would have asked that from the start and if they correctly said no then I would say then am I free to leave.

Asking them explicitly if you're being detained, or if you're free to leave, is also a good tactic.

Just put a quick write up on the story here:
http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-barnes/you-have-rights-as-long-as-you-dont-use-them.html

Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on August 06, 2007, 12:54 PM NHFT

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 12:28 PM NHFT
One question Dave failed to ask was whether or not he was being charged with anything.  I would have asked that from the start and if they correctly said no then I would say then am I free to leave.

Asking them explicitly if you're being detained, or if you're free to leave, is also a good tactic.

It seemed to me that the state trooper dressed in green did not know what the law was because he was from the DMV. The police officer from Manchester who later took him aside obviously set him straight that Dave did not have to answer any questions besides give his name and his place of residency (I assume Dave has this correct).

Interestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

It might be more helpful if Dave's phone was actually a speaker phone model so he doesn't have to hold it to his ear during the conversation.

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFT
Interestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Yeah, they apparently thought the signs up on the utility pole—for a Girl Scouts car wash if I remember correctly—were his, and demanded he take them down. Geniuses...

and even after realizing they had nothing to do with the situation .... the guy said they didn't have permission (how did he know?) and wanted someone to take them down .... which I am sure they did after they caught up on their coffee drinking.

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 01:17 PM NHFT
Just put a quick write up on the story here:
http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-barnes/you-have-rights-as-long-as-you-dont-use-them.html

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From a private email to me after I sent out the video link:
> Hey Dale,
>
> I would be careful if I were you regarding this article.  In the related
> videos column on the right side are quite a few anti-Semitic clips.  It
> doesn't look good.

That's really weird. Thanx for pointing that out. I need to find out
how the Hell those videos are considered "related". I never heard of
JewishNWO and none of those have anything to do with FSP. I'll bring
this up to the others FSPers and see if we can figure out the process
YouTube uses to categorize another video as "related".
That's really fishy.

QuoteThe point that should be made here is that Dave has an 'absolute' Right to open carry without being questioned.  Along with this Absolute Right is a state law that states Dave has a right to open carry.

Does anybody know which laws/statutes talk about the right to open carry?  I'm interested in state laws and any Manchester laws that address this issue...


Also, I'm wondering if this is a way around the "wiretapping" law that prevents recording the police.  Dave was speaking into his phone, so he was not recording the police.  Any outside noises that appear in the conversation should not be prohibited under the wiretapping law.  Am I interpreting this correctly? 

Although the audio from the camcorder was probably 'illegal', right?

CHAPTER 159
PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS
Section 159:1
    159:1 Definition. – Pistol or revolver, as used herein, means any firearm with barrel less than 16 inches in length. It does not include antique pistols, gun canes, or revolvers. An antique pistol, gun cane, or revolver, for the purposes of this chapter, means any pistol, gun cane, or revolver utilizing an early type of ignition, including, but not limited to, flintlocks, wheel locks, matchlocks, percussions and pin-fire, but no pistol, gun cane, or revolver which utilizes readily available center fire or rim-fire cartridges which are in common, current use shall be deemed to be an antique pistol, gun cane, or revolver. Nothing in this section shall prevent antique pistols, gun canes, or revolvers from being owned or transferred by museums, antique or arms collectors, or licensed gun dealers at auctions, gun shows, or private premises provided such ownership or transfer does not conflict with federal statutes.

CHAPTER 159
PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS
Section 159:4
    159:4 Carrying Without License. – No person shall carry a loaded pistol or revolver in any vehicle or concealed upon his person, except in his dwelling, house or place of business, without a valid license therefor as hereinafter provided. A loaded pistol or revolver shall include any pistol or revolver with a magazine, cylinder, chamber or clip in which there are loaded cartridges. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall, for the first such offense, be guilty of a misdemeanor. For the second and for each subsequent violation of the provisions of this section, such person shall be guilty of a class B felony, provided such second or subsequent violation has occurred within 7 years of the previous conviction.

CHAPTER 159
PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS
Section 159:5
    159:5 Exceptions. – The provisions of RSA 159:3 and 4 shall not apply to marshals, sheriffs, policemen or other duly appointed peace and other law enforcement officers, or bailiffs and court officers responsible for court security; nor to the regular and ordinary transportation of pistols or revolvers as merchandise, nor to members of the armed services of the United States when on duty; nor to the national guard when on duty; nor to organizations by law authorized to purchase or receive such weapons; nor to duly authorized military or civil organizations when parading, or the members thereof when at, or going to or from, their customary places of assembly.

CHAPTER 159
PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS
Section 159:6
    159:6 License to Carry. –
    I. The selectmen of a town or the mayor or chief of police of a city or some full-time police officer designated by them respectively, upon application of any resident of such town or city, or the director of state police, or some person designated by such director, upon application of a nonresident, shall issue a license to such applicant authorizing the applicant to carry a loaded pistol or revolver in this state for not less than 4 years from the date of issue, if it appears that the applicant has good reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property or has any proper purpose, and that the applicant is a suitable person to be licensed. Hunting, target shooting, or self-defense shall be considered a proper purpose. The license shall be valid for all allowable purposes regardless of the purpose for which it was originally issued. The license shall be in duplicate and shall bear the name, address, description, and signature of the licensee. The original shall be delivered to the licensee and the duplicate shall be preserved by the people issuing the same for 4 years. When required, license renewal shall take place within the month of the fourth anniversary of the license holder's date of birth following the date of issuance. The license shall be issued within 14 days after application, and, if such application is denied, the reason for such denial shall be stated in writing, the original of which such writing shall be delivered to the applicant, and a copy kept in the office of the person to whom the application was made. The fee for licenses issued to residents of the state shall be $10, which fee shall be for the use of the law enforcement department of the town granting said licenses; the fee for licenses granted to out-of-state residents shall be $20, which fee shall be for the use of the state. The director of state police is hereby authorized and directed to prepare forms for the licenses required under this chapter and forms for the application for such licenses and to supply the same to officials of the cities and towns authorized to issue the licenses. No other forms shall be used by officials of cities and towns. The cost of the forms shall be paid out of the fees received from nonresident licenses.
    II. No photograph or fingerprint shall be required or used as a basis to grant, deny, or renew a license to carry for a resident or nonresident, unless requested by the applicant.

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 06, 2007, 02:35 PM NHFT
and even after realizing they had nothing to do with the situation .... the guy said they didn't have permission (how did he know?) and wanted someone to take them down .... which I am sure they did after they caught up on their coffee drinking.

I don't believe anyone has "permission" to post a sign on the crosswalk lights.

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFTInterestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Freedom of assembly?  Nah!

Quote from: dalebert on August 06, 2007, 02:35 PM NHFT

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 01:17 PM NHFT
Just put a quick write up on the story here:
http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-barnes/you-have-rights-as-long-as-you-dont-use-them.html

QuoteThe page /richard-barnes/you-have-rights-as-long-as-you-dont-use-them.html could not be located on this website.

We recommend using the navigation bar to get back on track within our site. If you feel you have reached this page in error, please contact a site operator. Thank you!

Hmmm, not sure what happened.

You can backdoor to it here:
http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-barnes/

Currently it's the top article (until I write another one).

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 03:42 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFTInterestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Freedom of assembly?  Nah!

On a sidewalk you have to continue to move otherwise you are infringing on the rights of other individuals to use of the common right of way that is contained within the sidewalk.

Quote from: dalebert on August 06, 2007, 02:46 PM NHFTI never heard of JewishNWO and none of those have anything to do with FSP.

and this video had nothing to do with the fsp right?

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 03:35 PM NHFT
I don't believe anyone has "permission" to post a sign on the crosswalk lights.

that was the word ... or similar he used.

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 03:47 PM NHFT
On a sidewalk you have to continue to move otherwise you are infringing on the rights of other individuals to use of the common right of way that is contained within the sidewalk.

Dave was on the sidewalk alone
... then he was joined by one cop .... who then told him what to do for a while 2
... then another cop joined the fun 3 (if anyone had wanted to walk by ... they could have)
... then a cameraman and a lunatic joined the parade 5
... then more onlookers joined and more cops 8 (still noone wanted to pass us, but could have)
... then more cops (6 total) came 15
... cop vehicles all over the place ... the last guy came on a bike... wasn't that considerate? :)
... boss hog cop shows up and starts spouting off about assembling and presidential primaries or some such (none of us knew what he was referring to) 13
... I make sure I don't have a sign in my hand, since if the president is coming I might end up in chains if I am not extreeemly careful. 11
... cops start leaving 8
... most everyone heads into the now open murphy's taproom 5
... Dave and I talk for a minute and we all walk to the meeting 2-3
... sidewalk falls silent 0
... girl scout sign is nowhere to be seen
... Manchester is once again "secure"

Quote from: Quantrill on August 06, 2007, 02:50 PM NHFT
Does anybody know which laws/statutes talk about the right to open carry?  I'm interested in state laws and any Manchester laws that address this issue...

As Tammy posted, RSA 159, but you won't find anything saying that it's legal to carry openly. The law says you have to have a license to carry concealed, and is silent on open carry. Since it's not prohibited, it's legal.

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 06, 2007, 03:59 PM NHFT

Quote from: dalebert on August 06, 2007, 02:46 PM NHFTI never heard of JewishNWO and none of those have anything to do with FSP.

and this video had nothing to do with the fsp right?

It sorta does as the video displays "Porc411" initially.

Quote from: dalebert on August 06, 2007, 05:03 PM NHFT

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 06, 2007, 03:59 PM NHFT

Quote from: dalebert on August 06, 2007, 02:46 PM NHFTI never heard of JewishNWO and none of those have anything to do with FSP.

and this video had nothing to do with the fsp right?

It sorta does as the video displays "Porc411" initially.

I wouldn't think that Porc 411 has any connection to the Free State Project. Even tho it was created by a FSP member.

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 03:47 PM NHFT

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 03:42 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFTInterestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Freedom of assembly?  Nah!

On a sidewalk you have to continue to move otherwise you are infringing on the rights of other individuals to use of the common right of way that is contained within the sidewalk.

That is one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said, bill. Who decides that you have to keep moving in order to let someone use the right of way. I am fully capable of standing in one location for hours on end ... and then, if someone shows up and I am in their way, I am capable of politely moving to the side to let them pass.  How can  you be guilty of obstructing someone's ability to use the common right of way on the sidewalk when THERE IS NOBODY ELSE TRYING TO GET THROUGH!

QuoteAs Tammy posted, RSA 159, but you won't find anything saying that it's legal to carry openly. The law says you have to have a license to carry concealed, and is silent on open carry. Since it's not prohibited, it's legal.

Thanks Tammy and KB.



So if the cops (or Department of Safety) stop you for any reason, you must identify yourself (name and place of residence)?  Or if they stop you for breaking a law you must identify yourself?  If you're in the grocery store buying toilet paper and a uniformed officer comes up to you, are you required by law to give him your name?

If Dave had committed no crime (it appears he hasn't) then he shouldn't even have to identify himself, should he?

Should we change the title of this thread?  I suggest "Dave Ridley Involved in an Amicable Conversation With Responsible, Friendly Peace Officers Who are Just Doing Their Job and Protecting the Safety of their Beautiful City"  ::)

Quote from: Caleb on August 06, 2007, 05:31 PM NHFT
Should we change the title of this thread?  I suggest "Dave Ridley Involved in an Amicable Conversation With Responsible, Friendly Peace Officers Who are Just Doing Their Job and Protecting the Safety of their Beautiful City"  ::)

How did you guess my 2nd choice for the title of the thread??? Are you in my head? >:D

Quote from: sjhipple on August 06, 2007, 07:03 PM NHFT
The video isn't working for me.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI

It works for me. You might want to clear your browsers cache

I wish more people would have calmly and quietly
joined us on the sidewalk... To show that we are
many, but mainly to show them that WE ARE NOT
AFRAID no matter how many vehicles and officers
they bring!!!

I was happy to be there for as short of a time as
I was.

Hunter

Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on August 06, 2007, 02:25 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFT
Interestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Yeah, they apparently thought the signs up on the utility pole—for a Girl Scouts car wash if I remember correctly—were his, and demanded he take them down. Geniuses...

Hilarious!!!

Watch them grasp at all possibilities to control
and exert their so called 'power'.

Hunter

p.s. I did notice that the signs were down within
the hour... I wonder if they went to hassel the
girl scouts?

Awesome work folks!

I agree with a few others that David should have asked if he was being detained or not. This is a great tactic to use that ALWAYS puts the Nazi officers back on their heels.

I found it interesting where the "3 stooges" huddled up to discuss things in private. It clearly showed they do not know how to deal with you guys and that it is you folks that are dictating to them.
A nice change for sure.

And yes, they did a splendid job of disrupting the peace and travel of law abiding citizens.

You can bet those Nazi Oinksters are discussing David over coffee and donuts.

Cheers, Kola

Quote from: Caleb on August 06, 2007, 05:28 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 03:47 PM NHFT

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 03:42 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFTInterestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Freedom of assembly?  Nah!

On a sidewalk you have to continue to move otherwise you are infringing on the rights of other individuals to use of the common right of way that is contained within the sidewalk.

That is one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said, bill. Who decides that you have to keep moving in order to let someone use the right of way. I am fully capable of standing in one location for hours on end ... and then, if someone shows up and I am in their way, I am capable of politely moving to the side to let them pass.  How can  you be guilty of obstructing someone's ability to use the common right of way on the sidewalk when THERE IS NOBODY ELSE TRYING TO GET THROUGH!

Ridiculous or not, I believe it's an accurate statement of the law—it's why you always see protesters, especially union picketers, walking around in circles. Laws like this are only carted out, of course, selectively: You'd never see a cop try to arrest someone for stopping to light a cigarette, or have a conversation with a passer-by, but the law is there, and it's very useful to arbitrarily enforce when trying to stop things like protests.

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 03:47 PM NHFT

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 03:42 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFTInterestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Freedom of assembly?  Nah!

On a sidewalk you have to continue to move otherwise you are infringing on the rights of other individuals to use of the common right of way that is contained within the sidewalk.

As noted on the video, a tremendous number of other folks had their 'right of way' rights infringed upon by the demonstration/protest/informational gathering performed by Mr. Ridley and friends. :O~

I don't agree with the name calling going on here against cops.   They didn't try to humiliate me, and we shouldn't try to humiliate them.

Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on August 06, 2007, 08:58 PM NHFT

Quote from: Caleb on August 06, 2007, 05:28 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 03:47 PM NHFT

Quote from: lildog on August 06, 2007, 03:42 PM NHFT

Quote from: EthanAllen on August 06, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFTInterestingly, the Manchester officer believed that this was some sort of protest that everyone had gathered for prior to Dave being stopped as he told them the rules of the use of the sidewalk for protest - no ore than three across the sidewalk, have to keep moving, etc.

Freedom of assembly?  Nah!

On a sidewalk you have to continue to move otherwise you are infringing on the rights of other individuals to use of the common right of way that is contained within the sidewalk.

That is one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said, bill. Who decides that you have to keep moving in order to let someone use the right of way. I am fully capable of standing in one location for hours on end ... and then, if someone shows up and I am in their way, I am capable of politely moving to the side to let them pass.  How can  you be guilty of obstructing someone's ability to use the common right of way on the sidewalk when THERE IS NOBODY ELSE TRYING TO GET THROUGH!

Ridiculous or not, I believe it's an accurate statement of the law—it's why you always see protesters, especially union picketers, walking around in circles. Laws like this are only carted out, of course, selectively: You'd never see a cop try to arrest someone for stopping to light a cigarette, or have a conversation with a passer-by, but the law is there, and it's very useful to arbitrarily enforce when trying to stop things like protests.

The Manchester police officer who arrived late and diffused the situation by setting the DMV state police officer straight wrongly assumed that the folks standing around were protesters and told them they had to keep moving if they were protesting.

If Caleb were standing on the sidewalk carrying a protest sign, I believe he would still be required to keep moving even though there was no one else on the sidewalk. But hey, what do I know - why don't you try it?

Quote from: ny2nh on August 06, 2007, 07:46 AM NHFT

Quote from: Lloyd  Danforth on August 05, 2007, 09:21 PM NHFT

Quote from: ny2nh on August 05, 2007, 08:50 PM NHFTWhat was wrong is them stopping Dave in the first place.

After this,  nothing they did could be described as responsible. They were reacting to a situation they created.

The state police stopped him - the Manchester police were likely called as support.....so "they" were wrong to me would mean that the state police officer was wrong....the Manchester cops were just doing their job after being dispatched to do so.

Yay, another government apologist.

I was over at the http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1877338/posts thread that Dada posted.

Seems to have made a splash... lots of conversation.

However, just as counter point to this 'the cops are just doing their jobs' vs. 'making fun of them'. I notice a scary kind of "logic" that commonly runs in the "law and order" conservative circles...

Here is an extreme version

Quote...Stripe shirt guy is a true liability. One day, he will do like the Libs, which is create an incident to whine about, in order to prove his point. That idiot will get somebody killed one day.

The arm waving in front of the one cop proved it. I would have loved to see the cop grab his arm, twist it behind his back, and snap it at the elbow...

I don't think making fun of the cops is even in the same league as hoping to do someone physical harm. When my wife and I watched the little arm wave we laughted... when the "law and order" crowd watches they become enraged. We are using comic relief to release years of tension from being afraid of these "friendly" public servants.

A "friendly" question the officier asks you at the pullover... "You don't have any drugs, weapons, or large sums of currency in your vehicle do you..." "Well then you wouldn't mind if I search the vehicle then?" The next thing they bring in two more cruisers and a K-9 unit and ransack your vehicle. Or the time one of DC's finest menaced and came close to perhaps raping my wife as she waited outside the studio I worked at 2 am and the only thing that stopped him was me coming to the window to look outside.

It's not a "friendly" situation dealing with polite sounding authorities because of the lopsided balance of power.

It is amazing that someone would think that I was the problem and that I should be hurt.

The cops were saying that we were having a normal conversation .... I wanted to point out that this "friendly" interaction was very unnatural, onesided, and uncomfortable.

Many of our friends were afraid to step too close to the cops .... and it wasn't because they didn't wish to talk to Dave.

(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=2905)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=2906)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=2907)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=2908)
(http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=2909)

Stills from Roger

as expected .... this is the gestapo ... or homeland security for nh. It seemed likely that a homeland security funded employee would pull over and hassle Dave that way.

http://www.nh.gov/safety/index.html

The multi-faceted mission of the Department of Safety encompasses protection of the lives and safety and preservation of the quality of life of New Hampshire citizens and visitors to our state on the highways, on the waterways, and in their homes and businesses. We enforce motor vehicle and highway safety laws, criminal laws, commercial vehicle regulations, fire safety, building and equipment safety laws and regulations, and boating safety laws and rules. We also provide enhanced 911 emergency communications statewide, and are responsible for homeland safety and emergency management activities.

State Trooper Copponi?

the more I look at the video ... the more it made sense how I interacted with the cops. They said they were having a conversation ... and I pointed out that this was not a normal way for people to interact... then he shut down and tried to ignore me.

Manchester cop J. Kelly?

looks like more homeland security activity at its finest

Quote"Dave Ridley Involved in an Amicable Conversation With Responsible, Friendly Peace Officers Who are Just Doing Their Job and Protecting the Safety of their Beautiful City"

I'm sorry, but I object to Manchester being called "beautiful." That is just plain WRONG.

Quote from: Rochelle on August 07, 2007, 06:34 AM NHFT
I'm sorry, but I object to Manchester being called "beautiful." That is just plain WRONG.

Hey now! Beauty is only skin-deep... but ugly goes all the way to the bone.

Dave could have saved himself a lot of time if he already had that realID chip implanted.


nice summary
http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/bem/HomelandSecurity/index.html

Quote from: dalebert on August 07, 2007, 06:45 AM NHFT

Quote from: Rochelle on August 07, 2007, 06:34 AM NHFT
I'm sorry, but I object to Manchester being called "beautiful." That is just plain WRONG.

Hey now! Beauty is only skin-deep... but ugly goes all the way to the bone.

all the way down to the infrastructure

I have emailed the nh homeland security guys and the MPD to get their comments.

Looks like the MPD has a Lt. Kelly there. I couldn't find the NHDS guy. I might not have the right department either. We shall soon see.

Quote from: Quantrill on August 06, 2007, 05:29 PM NHFT

QuoteAs Tammy posted, RSA 159, but you won't find anything saying that it's legal to carry openly. The law says you have to have a license to carry concealed, and is silent on open carry. Since it's not prohibited, it's legal.

Thanks Tammy and KB.



So if the cops (or Department of Safety) stop you for any reason, you must identify yourself (name and place of residence)?  Or if they stop you for breaking a law you must identify yourself?  If you're in the grocery store buying toilet paper and a uniformed officer comes up to you, are you required by law to give him your name?

If Dave had committed no crime (it appears he hasn't) then he shouldn't even have to identify himself, should he?

Back up one step even further... I'm not as much troubled that they asked for ID after stopping him as much as the fact that they stopped him without any true reason for doing so.  There was no search being conducted in the area that I'm aware of for someone fitting his description, he was not acting suspiciously...  There was NO reason for them to stop in to begin with.  THAT is the real troubling issue here.  Not what happened after they stopped him.

I agree. I was aghast that they just pulled over and started asking questions.

From the photographs, I find the position of the Uncle Fester (cop) very confusing. He is directly behind David and Trooperboy is directly in front of David. In David was to become hostile towards Trooperboy, Uncle Festers idiotic position (should he decide to fire) puts his Trooperboy directly in the line of fire. If Uncle Fester had a brain he would have positioned himself 90 degrees to Trooperboy.

This proves these guys can not think logically.

As far as "namecalling", I choose to exercise my rights and namecall people who try and intimidate others and show force. They were not friendly by any means, they inconvienenced and detained a law abiding citizen without reason and these gooncops wasted taxpayers time and money. The actions that took place were classic Gestapo tactics and it is becoming widespread throughout the republic.

I have a hard time showing affection and respect to these slobs.

Kola

I don't know if anyone posted the link, but it's on OpenCarry.org:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=4024

Quote from: sjhipple on August 07, 2007, 10:05 AM NHFT
Why wasn't everyone carrying?  >:D

quite a few were ... some openly ... but the others didn't step up and interact with the cops

Dugg - please digg!
http://digg.com/politics/Policing_the_police_open_carry

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 07, 2007, 07:09 AM NHFT
I have emailed the nh homeland security guys and the MPD to get their comments.

Looks like the MPD has a Lt. Kelly there. I couldn't find the NHDS guy. I might not have the right department either. We shall soon see.

According to Dave's audio - L.A.  Copponi  From dept. of Safety.   

I believe the State Police are under the Dept. of Safety.  There seem to be many entities required to keep us New Hampshirites "safe"...

Quote from: Quantrill on August 07, 2007, 06:07 PM NHFT
I believe the State Police are under the Dept. of Safety.  There seem to be many entities required to keep us New Hampshirites "safe"...

So, how many robberies, assaults, murders, thefts, etc. have been committed in the Shire so far this year?

Wait, maybe they just needs a few more gov't agencies...

Dave's You Tube video with over 2800 views and 57 comments has surpassed all my other videos.

Some new emoticons for Dave:

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Hey ... the Walmart in Keene has guns in it again. :)

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 07, 2007, 08:56 PM NHFT
Hey ... the Walmart in Keene has guns in it again. :)

Cool. Last week I talked to the Walmart sports counter guy here in Rochester and he said even the ammo is going to be going away soon.

No ammo?  So they have cheaper places than Wal-Mart, though?  We have big chain sporting good / outdoors stores in TN (and I am guessing almost everyone corner of America) that sell ammo for less than Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart is getting rid of guns and ammo across all its U.S. stores, last I heard.

Quote from: Beavis on August 08, 2007, 12:53 AM NHFT
Wal-Mart is getting rid of guns and ammo across all its U.S. stores, last I heard.

Nope. They're just treating guns and ammo like every other line of goods, and making per-store decisions based on profit per square foot. Some stores are eliminating all guns and ammo. Some are eliminating guns, but not ammo. And some stores are expanding their gun business.

In Keene .... all the guns were gone from the display cases ... for months. Now they are back. Maybe there was too much demand. :)

Quote from: KBCraig on August 08, 2007, 02:56 AM NHFT
Nope. They're just treating guns and ammo like every other line of goods, and making per-store decisions based on profit per square foot. Some stores are eliminating all guns and ammo. Some are eliminating guns, but not ammo. And some stores are expanding their gun business.

There's a part of me that would get massive satisfaction from telling all my liberal friends back home that I bought a gun (eyes get big), and that I intend to open carry most of the time (eyes get bigger), and that I bought it from WALMART (Run away screaming).

lol  :D

Here in Colorado they stopped selling guns/rifles at WalMart. I asked the store managers why. They told me they were not selling enough to make a profit so they were pulling them. About 2 months later I noticed they were back in the stores. I asked why the change...and was told that so many people complained and wrote letters (me) that they
re thought their position and began selling them again. 

good news for us..I had thought Bushco was behind them pulling the guns...but since they are back on the shelfs who the hell knows what happened.

Kola

no emails back from the department of safety or the MPD ... I guess they have no comment.

Dave you, did the right thing. Great work. You held their feet to the fire in a polite, respectful way. They had no business detaining you.

I sent the chief of police of manchester the email below. I think they need to hear from the public so that they understand that we don't consider stopping people just because they have a gun acceptable.

Here is my email:

Chief Jaskolka,

I was dismayed to see the video on youtube at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI of a NH resident being
stopped and accosted by some of your police officers. I saw no reason
whatsoever for him to have been stopped in the first place. He seemed
to have done nothing except to walk up the street with his pistol on
his hip, much like your officers do each day.

So I have some questions for you, chief.

1. Do you have a training program set up that teaches your officers
that open carry is legal and that people have a right to do so in New
Hampshire without fear of harassment?

2. Didn't this issue come up a while back with somebody else too? I
thought after that that your officers would have a better
understanding and would refrain from detaining people who are open
carrying in Manchester.

Something really needs to be done to make sure that your officers and
other officers around the state fully understand that open carry is
legal and acceptable in New Hampshire. This kind of situation should
not be repeated again.

I respect and appreciate the work that you and your officers do to
keep people safe and I thank you for it. However, isn't it time that
you guys put a concerted effort into making sure that lawful people
are not harassed when exercising their constitutional rights? If you
do have something set up already then please let me know what it is,
the officers in the video seemed far too confrontational (particularly
the one that was standing behind Dave with the sunglasses on...what
was that all about?) and they ended up drawing a crowd that wasn't
there initially.

Although I don't get into Manchester too often, I will certainly be
open carrying there at some point and I hope your officers will handle
it the appropriate way - by refraining from bothering me so I can go
about my business in a lawful, productive way.

Thank you in advance for any comments or thoughts you have about open
carry and your officers.

There is also a thread about this over at Northeast Shooters so drop by there if you want to share your thoughts with the folks over there.

http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=23051

BTW, here is the contact information for the Manchester PD:

John A. Jaskolka, Chief of Police

The Manchester Police Department
351 Chestnut Street
Manchester, NH 03101

Phone: (603) 668-8711
Fax: (603) 628-6145

Email: ManchesterPD@ci.manchester.nh.us

BTW, someone pointed out to me that the main guy was actually a New Hampshire DPS guy. I found some contact information for that department but only one email address.

Administrative Supervisor
epierce@safety.state.nh.us

http://www.nh.gov/safety/commissioner/contactus.html

Commissioner's Office
Contact Us

Mailing Address:    Department of Safety
James H. Hayes Safety Building
33 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03305
Headquarters' Location:    Department of Safety
James H. Hayes Safety Building
33 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03305
Holiday Schedule:    2007
Hours of Operation:    Monday through Friday - 8:15 a.m. to 4:15 p.m.
Telephone Numbers and e-mail addresses:
   
Commissioner's Office: 603-271-2791
Assistant Commissioner's Office: 603-271-2559
Administrative Supervisor: 603-271-2559
Prosecution Unit: 603-271-7665
Public Information Officer: 603-271-2231
Railroad Police: 603-271-2559
TDD Access: Relay NH 1-800-735-2964

Quote from: sjhipple on August 06, 2007, 06:20 PM NHFT
How were you able to record the officer? I thought that wasn't legal in NH

I am no expert, but as I understand of the law has to do with recording people without their knowledge.  Having a visible camera in a public place should not violate the law.

"On the job, on the record."

If anyone hears from the government about this, please let me know so I can add it to my Keene Free Press article.


Yes .... the NH Department of Safety pulled over and interrupted Dave's walk.
The other 5 guys that came were MPD cops.

3600 views and lots of comments at youtube

does it only count a "view" when someone completes the video?

I was looking at this video page and noticing it's not linked to lots of anti-semetic stuph like the more recent video, so I checked the tags and noticed there are a lot more tags. Maybe we can add some tags to the latest video to get more accurate associations. I'd like to also recommend putting "Dave" and "Ridley" and hopefully more of Dave's other videos will pop up as well like some from Porcfest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu4Dr3B3Rg4

It's important to note that it was a Statie, not a Manchester cop, who stopped Dave in the first instance.

that is a good idea Tackletheworld could do it

Quote from: mvpel on August 08, 2007, 10:52 AM NHFT
It's important to note that it was a Statie, not a Manchester cop, who stopped Dave in the first instance.

and one probably ultimately taking orders from DHS

when the MPD guys hauled off Kat and I it was initiated by SS

It's important to note that it was a Statie, not a Manchester cop, who stopped Dave in the first instance.

Okay so do we contact the NH Depart of Public Safety? Or is it some other organization that we need to contact to let the know that we dont' approve of this? Please post the info if you have it.

I have already sent a letter to the Manchester PD.

I would say both.

It's now on the front page of digg (662 diggs / 317 comments) and the freestateblog site is down.

Mostly favorable comments, but some like: "Who's that crazy guy with the striped shirt?"

am I really one of the craziest guys on a youtube video? ;)

Oh, don't worry Russell, not by a long shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=269mw6JjYYw

Finally got around to sending this to head of state troopers via e-mail:

-----

Dear Colonel Booth:   

Sorry for my slowness in getting this message to you.  However I wanted to express my respect for trooper L.A. Copponi's calm handling of my Saturday open carry incident in Manchester.   Although I object to police making stops of pedestrians simply because of open carry...I do recognize that trooper Copponi had under half a minute to make his stop-or-don't-stop decision.  If he's anything like most cops, he probably does not deal very often with citizens who responsibly exercise their right to open carry.   At least he approached the situation with an open mind.

It's important for liberty lovers to keep perspective and remind ourselves that the NHDOS response is at least supFierior to the panic that would happen in most states. 

Open carry is an essential tool for NH citizens, as it puts fear into the hearts of harmful criminals...reminding them New Hampshire is a dangerous place to try and harm others.  It's not as useful for defense as concealed carry, but if we don't use this tool and exercise this right...we will lose it.  More New Hampshirites are doing so, and your men will see more of us as time passes.  Soon I hope you will come to see us as a routine thing.

You may also be aware that I exercised another generally atrophied right during the stop, the right of a pedestrian to refuse police requests for identification cards.  Again, I assume it's not super common for people to exercise this right, but that is why it is so important to exercise.   It too needs to become more common.  There are only a few rights left which government recognizes, thus we must exercise them well and often.  Otherwise we'll lose what few of them remain.

Respectfully yours,

Dave Ridley
NHfree.com

Sent by email to MPD chief on aug 7

Dear Chief Jaskolka:  I wanted to express appreciation for officer J. Kelly's calm handling of my Saturday open carry incident on Elm St.   The Sergeant who responded also conducted himself well, and I was happy to hear his point of view.   Of course, I look forward to the day when open carriers are not stopped at all without probable cause.    I assume this stop would not have happened were it not for the fact that a State Trooper was driving by.

In my experience your officers have handled open carry well, so well in fact that I usually don't even bother getting their names.   It's important for liberty lovers to keep perspective and remind ourselves that the MPD response is at least superior to the panic that would happen in most states. 

Open carry is an essential tool for citizens, as it puts fear into the hearts of harmful criminals...reminding them New Hampshire is a dangerous place to try and harm others.

I do take exception to the fact that one of your officers tried to stop a man from videotaping him and, when he couldn't find more ways to exert authority over us, chose to go after a hapless group of car wash kids for posting a sign.

If you are having a problem with litter, because of fallen signs or what not, call me at the number below, tell me which area you want cleaned and I will schedule a citizen trash cleanup.

There has been some speculation among officers that we plotted this encounter, but that is not the case.   Our people just tend to open carry on their way to meetings.  Where there is a meeting there is usually a camera and a squadron of people looking out for each others' rights. 

Respectfully yours,

Dave Ridley
NHfree.com

Please post any responses if you get them.

Well your letter was way better than mine, Dave. I was probably too pissy in mine.  :-[

Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 08, 2007, 12:31 PM NHFT
Open carry is an essential tool for citizens, as it puts fear into the hearts of harmful criminals...reminding them New Hampshire is a dangerous place to try and harm others.

It didn't take long for the criminal element in our society to take notice of your "open carrying".

the thing is on digg now with roughly 800 diggs and 400 comments  after 20 hrs.
denis' free state blogs site is down probably from too many hits off the digg article

funniest response:

<<Incase anyone wants the short version:

In 10 minutes, nothing happens.

OK I'll give you a slightly longer version:

Man walks down the street with a gun
Police politely question him
Man politely answers the questions he is required to answer
Guy rants and raves in the background for no apparent reason
They all live happily ever after.
The end.>>

dada request site thread change to
"dave ridley harassed for open carry"

Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 08, 2007, 12:56 PM NHFT
the thing is on digg now with roughly 800 diggs and 400 comments  after 20 hrs.
denis' free state blogs site is down probably from too many hits off the digg article

funniest response:

<<Incase anyone wants the short version:

In 10 minutes, nothing happens.

OK I'll give you a slightly longer version:

Man walks down the street with a gun
Police politely question him
Man politely answers the questions he is required to answer
Guy rants and raves in the background for no apparent reason
They all live happily ever after.
The end.>>

The Digg story is now over 1,000 diggs and more then 400 comments.

Very cool :)

State police contact:

Director's Office: (603) 271-2450

Col. Frederick H. Booth
Director
Department of Safety
Division of State Police
33 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03305

FreeStateBlogs is back up now... thanks, Seth-lord!

Thanks Dave for being you... and for making it easy to re-post your writeup.
Thanks Error for putting email-forwarding and digital recording behind Porc 411, that is fucking impressive... and useful, too. If I am pulled over at any point, first thing I'm doing is speed-dialing, so I can inform the officer that the interaction being recorded. See if he knows his RSA-570:A rights ;)
Thanks Roger for the video. You rock. The video made this into a phenomenon.
Thanks Tackle for putting the video on YouTube. YouTube made this into a phenomenon.
Thanks Johnson of Free Talk Live for setting up the Free Market Diggers (http://groups.google.com/group/DispatchFreedom) group -- that gave the story the initial boost that made it into a phenomenon.

You know... I'm starting to see that if you get a whole bunch of activists, and get them all working closely together... you may make some phenomenons. :)

lol, why am I not shocked that Chaz on NHInsider sees nothing wrong with what the police did to Dave?

http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-barnes/2007/8/6/you-have-rights-as-long-as-you-dont-use-them.html

QuoteWhat's the problem? We stop people from Boarding planes, the police stop people who drive erratically.

This is just normal police procedure. No rights were violated.
August 8, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterChaz Proulx

Police randomly stopping people... sure no problems there.  Chaz just loves a police state.  Folks pay close attention... he is your typical Democrat.

QuoteThis is a commen sense issue not a constitutional issue.

Manchester has had plenty of gun violence in recent years. Stopping Dave and checking him out is a long way from preventing him from carrying.

There is another angle with Dave. He is on record in an e-mail talking about an illegal militia. I know that may seem minor, but law authorities have an obligation to protect the public too.

This is no different than screening people who board airplanes.

I also believe Dave has been hanging out with the Browns (Dave correct me if I'm wrong). The Browns are guilty of felonies and are armed.

So there is enough for law authorities to pay attention to.

As a citizen of this state I applaud them for doing their job professionally.
August 8, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterChaz Proulx

Ask Chaz if it is ok to stop black people randomly?

Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 08, 2007, 12:57 PM NHFT
dada request site thread change to
"dave ridley harassed for open carry"

I changed it in the paper also.

Quote from: Dreepa on August 08, 2007, 04:24 PM NHFT
Ask Chaz if it is ok to stop black people randomly?

Sir, can I see your permit for being black in New Hampshire.

I'm not required to carry a permit for that.

I need to see your permit.

I'm not going to give you that.

You understand, Sir, that some people in the area called and you're making them nervous that you might want to commit a crime. I'm just checking up with you to ensure that you don't mean any harm to anyone. I'm sure you understand. I'm just trying to do my job. May I ask why you're being black in NH?

I'm always black, whether I'm in NH or elsewhere.

May I see your ID? A driver's license perhaps.

I'm not required to show you ID for being black.

---

BTW, did I miss the link to the DIGG article? I didn't find it on the front page. Perhaps it's not there anymore.

yes ... that is so true ... if carrying a gun is "legal" than why do you have to check his ID

I see you are carrying a chainsaw .... may I see your ID

Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 08, 2007, 10:31 AM NHFT

Quote from: sjhipple on August 06, 2007, 06:20 PM NHFT
How were you able to record the officer? I thought that wasn't legal in NH

I am no expert, but as I understand of the law has to do with recording people without their knowledge.  Having a visible camera in a public place should not violate the law.

The key is "consent", not "knowledge".

But when you're openly videotaping someone in public, they know that you are recording their voice, so if they do not object, they've consented.

Dave explained to the trooper that he was calling Porc411. "Oh, like a webcast?" "Something like that." So he also knew he was being recorded, and did not object, thus consented.

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 08, 2007, 04:32 PM NHFT

Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 08, 2007, 12:57 PM NHFT
dada request site thread change to
"dave ridley harassed for open carry"

I changed it in the paper also.

wow thanks russell! 

and later a cop asked Roger to stop ... so he stopped

Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 08, 2007, 05:53 PM NHFT
wow thanks russell! 

sometimes I don't get along with that Dave Ridley character, but for you Dada ... I would do most anything ;D

youtube video up to 17,000 views as of 4pm


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Over 1,400 Diggs and not shwoing any sign of slowing
The Free State Blogs page has had nearly 8,000 hits in the past 24 hours -- more than the site usually gets in 2 months.


As for recording, remember -- on public property in New Hampshire:
* video recording does not require consent. You do not even have to inform the person they are being videotaped. They sure as hell have no authority to tell you to stop!
* audio taping requires consent of all parties being recorded.

When the cop tells you to turn off your camera, you are 100% within your rights to turn off the mic and say:
"Persuant to RSA-570:A, you are no longer being audio recorded. You are in a public place, however, and have no authority over the purely video aspect of the recording. Thank you."

Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 08, 2007, 05:54 PM NHFT
youtube video up to 17,000 views as of 4pm

17,000 holy shit!!

Quote from: dalebert on August 08, 2007, 04:41 PM NHFT

BTW, did I miss the link to the DIGG article? I didn't find it on the front page. Perhaps it's not there anymore.

Here it is still on the front page of digg -- right hand side

http://digg.com/politics/Policing_the_police_open_carry

Quote from: dalebert on August 08, 2007, 04:41 PM NHFT

Quote from: Dreepa on August 08, 2007, 04:24 PM NHFT
Ask Chaz if it is ok to stop black people randomly?

Sir, can I see your permit for being black in New Hampshire.

I'm not required to carry a permit for that.

I need to see your permit.

I'm not going to give you that.

You understand, Sir, that some people in the area called and you're making them nervous that you might want to commit a crime. I'm just checking up with you to ensure that you don't mean any harm to anyone. I'm sure you understand. I'm just trying to do my job. May I ask why you're being black in NH?

I'm always black, whether I'm in NH or elsewhere.

May I see your ID? A driver's license perhaps.

I'm not required to show you ID for being black.

:clap:  perfect

oh goodie ..... lawyer talk

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 08, 2007, 06:43 PM NHFT
oh goodie ..... lawyer talk

:pitchforked:     ;D

Quote from: GraniteForge on August 08, 2007, 06:40 PM NHFT

Quote from: KBCraig on August 08, 2007, 05:50 PM NHFT
Dave explained to the trooper that he was calling Porc411. "Oh, like a webcast?" "Something like that." So he also knew he was being recorded, and did not object, thus consented.

Actually no, this has not been adjudicated in NH that I (or others who have checked) can find.  Generally, in NH, consent must be positively affirmed, not implied, unless implied consent is explicitly contained in the law.

It has not been adjudicated, but that isn't stopping police officers from arresting people over it.

I was at the House hearings on several related bills. Senior Assistant Attorney General (yes that's her official title) Ann Rice made it clear that consent is not required on video. The "2-party consent" issue applies only to audio.

What are the RSAs on "wiretapping" the police?  And videotaping/recording in public?

Quote from: Quantrill on August 08, 2007, 07:37 PM NHFT
What are the RSAs on "wiretapping" the police?  And videotaping/recording in public?

I should write up a FAQ about this, I really should!

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lviii/570-a/570-a-mrg.htm

Quote from: GraniteForge on August 08, 2007, 06:40 PM NHFT
Generally, in NH, consent must be positively affirmed, not implied, unless implied consent is explicitly contained in the law.

So sex without specific consent is rape?

Dave on FTL right now  ;D

Quote from: d_goddard on August 08, 2007, 06:07 PM NHFT
* audio taping requires consent of all parties being recorded.

When the cop tells you to turn off your camera, you are 100% within your rights to turn off the mic and say:
"Persuant to RSA-927:A, you are no longer being audio recorded. You are in a public place, however, and have no authority over the purely video aspect of the recording. Thank you."

If I'm in public recording, you are consenting by speaking.   :icon_pirat:

Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 08, 2007, 08:30 PM NHFT
If I'm in public recording, you are consenting by speaking.   :icon_pirat:

You must be one of those radical freedom lovers in Keene .... talking like that.

   28,000 views and counting.    8)    Good work folks! 
I've been circulating the link to everyone I know.

 Views: 29,547 | Comments: 200 | Favorited: 78 times   :D

Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 09, 2007, 04:24 AM NHFT
Views: 29,547 | Comments: 200 | Favorited: 78 times   :D

I hope the cops get wind of this and that they find it endlessly embarassing to become a celebrity in this manner.

Top Story #3 in the Digg "World and Business" section -- 1,751 Diggs!

I just had the greatest idea for a protest (or flier) as a result of this incident.

Get a picture of Dave wearing what he did that day with his gun clearly visible then next to it a picture of Jason, Freddy or some other movie killer (but make sure no weapon is visible) and above that the caption who do you fear the most?

The one version had a bunch of anti-Jewish "related" videos, because it was linked to by a white supremacist page.

Those related videos are not there anymore.

Quote from: lildog on August 09, 2007, 10:59 AM NHFT
I just had the greatest idea for a protest (or flier) as a result of this incident.

Get a picture of Dave wearing what he did that day with his gun clearly visible then next to it a picture of Jason, Freddy or some other movie killer (but make sure no weapon is visible) and above that the caption who do you fear the most?

seriously, I remember when my girlfriend and I first meant Dave half way through i pointed out his gun.  She didnt even notice it before, thats how scary those things are...

I still don't notice when people open carry most of the time. Maybe if I was shorter or sat around and ate donuts more. :)

Quote from: lildog on August 09, 2007, 10:59 AM NHFT
I just had the greatest idea for a protest (or flier) as a result of this incident.

Get a picture of Dave wearing what he did that day with his gun clearly visible then next to it a picture of Jason, Freddy or some other movie killer (but make sure no weapon is visible) and above that the caption who do you fear the most?

I think another great idea is for Dave to be escorted to the next MVP meeting by a phalanx of open carrying porcs.  And for that walk to be taped, and then posted on youtube.

We could do it this Saturday at the Concord Porcupine meeting.  :D

I could do it.  Roger's going to be there w/video.  Could Dave be there?

In the event of another case like this, I suggest the victim call porc411 with a very brief msg indicating what's happening and where they are in case others are nearby and can come witness ("A policeman is approaching me. i'm not sure why. I'm 3 blocks north of the Sovereign bank on Elm if anyone's near and wants to come."). Then hang up and call back to continue to report what's going on. That will get a msg out to ppl quickly in case they can show up.

Quote from: mvpel on August 09, 2007, 02:36 PM NHFT
We could do it this Saturday at the Concord Porcupine meeting.  :D

The more the merrier.  :)

It would also be nice to have a good turnout at the get together and I'd like to do some short interviews with folks. It will be nice for people thinking of moving to see the pleasant and enthusiastic early movers.

Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 09, 2007, 02:43 PM NHFT
I could do it.  Roger's going to be there w/video.  Could Dave be there?

Oh, this is getting good.  I can be there too!

It looks like Dave's incident is getting a LOT of underground attention.  The comments on opencarry.org were promising.

But I must say I am very surprised to see the comments that our supposed allies on other forums are making.  Even people who open carry are saying the cops did little/nothing wrong.  I've read many comments that say Russell should have been arrested and Dave should not have provoked the cops!  These are not anti-gun liberals, these are actual gun-owners!

I am a little disappointed...
:lockstep:

Some people hold cops in less disdain than others who've been arrested and thrown in jail for holding a sign in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that's all very understandable when you think about it.

The extent of most peoples' interaction with cops is with Officer Friendly helping them find their mommies when they were six years old, and letting them off with a friendly warning after getting caught dead to rights doing 80 in a 65.

The grinding sound you're hearing on other message boards is the natural sound of the stone being rolled away from the tomb of personal liberty.  It's normal, and to be expected.  The sunlight hurts some people's eyes, is all.  Don't judge them too harshly for it.

Quote from: mvpel on August 09, 2007, 10:51 PM NHFT
The grinding sound you're hearing on other message boards is the natural sound of the stone being rolled away from the tomb of personal liberty.  It's normal, and to be expected.  The sunlight hurts some people's eyes, is all.  Don't judge them too harshly for it.

nice writing dude

i will see if i can make it saturday; and thanks for wanting to do this type of support thing.

Quote from: mvpel on August 09, 2007, 10:51 PM NHFT
The grinding sound you're hearing on other message boards is the natural sound of the stone being rolled away from the tomb of personal liberty.  It's normal, and to be expected.  The sunlight hurts some people's eyes, is all.  Don't judge them too harshly for it.

That's brilliant, Mike. Excellent reminder that not everyone sees this incident through the same set of lenses.

I decided against posting the link on a concealed carry gun forum I frequent, because I know it would degenerate into rants about Russell, instead of Dave, and how both should have "cooperated" with the police.

You have to tailor the message to the audience. Not all audiences are ready to receive the truth.

Quote from: Quantrill on August 09, 2007, 10:23 PM NHFT
These are not anti-gun liberals, these are actual gun-owners!
:lockstep:

Sounds like the NRA. They've sold out.

Some folks think the only thing wrong is that the wrong group wields the stick. The "law and order" conservatives worship the power that cops have been given.

Quote from: Quantrill on August 09, 2007, 10:23 PM NHFT
But I must say I am very surprised to see the comments that our supposed allies on other forums are making.

Some of them carry a gun every day ... and they don't want anyone to rock the boat. Only when the government denies them will they join us.

Quote from: mvpel on August 09, 2007, 10:51 PM NHFT
Some people hold cops in less disdain than others who've been arrested and thrown in jail for holding a sign in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that's all very understandable when you think about it.

So true. I do not give the MPD the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 10, 2007, 12:32 AM NHFT
i will see if i can make it saturday; and thanks for wanting to do this type of support thing.

I am sure you will be able to walk around outside the meeting ... after all ... this isn't Manchester. :)
But we could have a few of us openly carrying in solidarity with you.

i'm leaning toward going to the concord meeting if I can

I've carried nearly every single day for the last 3-4 years, and I'm not about to stop because of a few morons who don't know what their jobs are.

Saturday in Concord sounds good to me.

How many guns and holsters should I bring?

I could use one. Otherwise I would have to come with an unloaded pitchfork only.

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 10, 2007, 10:29 AM NHFT
I could use one. Otherwise I would have to come with an unloaded pitchfork only.

Russell, were you actually thinking of carrying a working firearm?

I was under the impression that you were looking for a toy gun, which you could paint black and carry in the same way.

I could use a toy one. I was thinking of a toy one for normal use because they are cheap and the cops wouldn't take it from me.

Caleb just picked up a nice bb gun or some such for that purpose. :)

Since Bald Eagle was offering the real things for the afternoon, I would be happy to carry them. But you never know when the cops might flip out and haul me away and take the gun because I don't give them "proper ID".

I just don't think that using large amounts of force to get my way is the right thing to do. Sometimes I am wrong. So I wouldn't use it ... or even load it.

When you are dealing directly with the government, pitchforks are safer, funnier, and still get the point across. In this case, I don't think we will interact with the bad guys.

Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 10, 2007, 08:23 AM NHFT

Quote from: Quantrill on August 09, 2007, 10:23 PM NHFT
But I must say I am very surprised to see the comments that our supposed allies on other forums are making.

Some of them carry a gun every day ... and they don't want anyone to rock the boat. Only when the government denies them will they join us.

They don't want anyone "ruining it for the rest of us". They're so accustomed to begging permission to exercise a right, they've forgotten that it is a right.

A disgusting number of people in Texas actually work against legalizing open carry, because they're afraid it would increase the number of places that are off limits.

I may have already posted this, but I'm thinking of getting a bb gun for open carry and then conceal carry a real gun that's loaded. I'll want one that looks as authentic as possible, of course.

If the route you are going is for a toy that looks realistic, they don't get any more real than airsoft.

http://shortyusa.com/index.html?RID=4328 (http://shortyusa.com/index.html?RID=4328)

and, wow, idiots want bb guns banned because they look like real guns

http://airsoftgun.blogspot.com/2007/07/witnesses-back-look-alike-gun-airsoft.html (http://airsoftgun.blogspot.com/2007/07/witnesses-back-look-alike-gun-airsoft.html)

It isn't that important to me. It might be nice to have something in a few situations for me. This is not as big an issue to me as other people, but I want to support them. :)

Kind of reminds me of Russell vs MPD.  ;D

(http://www.petcaretips.net/TopCatsGangofCats.jpg)

Top Cat and the gang vs.the bothersome - and ever exasperated - Officer Dibble who is relentlessly on his case (although always one step behind). 

ok now theres 95% chance i'll make it

Quote from: Tom Sawyer on August 10, 2007, 08:05 PM NHFT
Kind of reminds me of Russell vs MPD.  ;D

(http://www.petcaretips.net/TopCatsGangofCats.jpg)

Top Cat and the gang vs.the bothersome - and ever exasperated - Officer Dibble who is relentlessly on his case (although always one step behind). 

I'm guessing Dibble may have been a genius compared to the cop standing behind Dave.

38,000 plus views.

sent the msg below to other forums discussing this...can some of you help me spread it around?

---

Arright sorry for the slow response here.  But I wanted to answer some of the questions/comments posted on this thread and elsewhere, regarding my NH open carry incident: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI

First, in response to the folks who are defending the police....you're half right.  The police and trooper acted in a fairly restrained manner compared to what would happen in other states.   This is because others have gone before me over the last couple years, and open carried at much greater risk.  Now Manchester Police Department is fairly used to it.   They were probably only there because the state trooper called them.   I've sent notes to Manchester's Police Chief and to Colonel Booth, New Hampshire's head state trooper.   The note to MPD praises two of the responding officers but includes constructive criticism.  The note to Col. Booth praises Trooper Copponi, who in all fairness had only thirty seconds to make his stop decision....and refused to cross certain lines which a bad cop might have raced over.    I also would like to mention something no one else has brought up:   Copponi's course of action wasn't necessarily the easy way out.  It may have been dictated partly by a willingness to risk his own well-being in what he e considered  the pursuit of public safety. 
Courage, wherever it is suspected, should always be respected.

Anyway, both notes urge both departments to relax about open carry, and they are attached below.

With regard to the criticism of "Mr. Striped Shirt," who you see raising so much heck over my being stopped...There is a reason why he is so hostile to MPD folks.  Only three people that I know of have the guts to demonstrate outside the hated "free speech zone" when Mr. Bush is here....and continue doing so even after they are informed it will result in their arrest.    In 2006 Russell stood on a completely public street corner with an unremarkable anti-Washington sign....and MPD arrested him for it.    Just because the Emperor was coming to town.

His response in this video isn't precisely what I'd advocate.  I do agree that you shouldn't bait officers or try and humiliate them.  I'd rather win them over to our side, and I genuinely like most of them.  It makes me uncomfortable that Trooper Copponi probably left the situation miffed at us; I'd rather see these things end in good feeling.

But Russell has guts, and I appreciate him being there.   You have to admit nearly no one would be talking about the video otherwise.  Look at my other open carry incident, the one that went so amicably:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mu4Dr3B3Rg4

Hardly anyone watches that.    Hardly anyone debates the issues because of that video.  In a sloppy irreverent way, Russell got more people talking about key questions:

Does New Hampshire have a more restrained police community than other states?  When is it appropriate to cooperate with police or give them information about yourself?  What are the capabilities of New Hampshire's liberty community?  Do those capabilities constitute a potential umbrella under which local freedom lovers may protect themselves against government abuses? 

How many freedoms do we have left in America?  Do we have freedom of the press when some of the nation's least sadistic cops tell a professional videographer to stop filming them on a public corner?  Do we have freedom of communication when my cell call is brought into question?   Do we have freedom of assembly if police in the freest state can try and stop you from having more than three people standing on a corner?   Do we have freedom to walk the streets without identity papers, and if so is that freedom exercised often enough to keep it secure?  And lastly do we have freedom of self defense if we are questioned by police merely because of a lawfully borne firearm?

In this brief video you see every one of those freedoms threatened, by some of the *least* bad cops in America, in full view of crowd and camera.

Now...I'd like to respond to some of your questions and comments. One opinion runs something like this:

"These cops were obviously entrapped.  I don't believe these libertarian freaks just happened to be prepared for the stop."

That kind of comment is the biggest backhanded compliment of the year...  To reiterate:  The video was not planned, no cops were baited or entrapped....the explanation for the rapid response and high quality of the video is not that hard to swallow. 

1) Free Staters meet up in Manchester every week   
2) They wear guns, often openly, to these meetings. 
3)  If a cop drives by, they will see guns.
4) If that freaks them out, they will stop one of us
5) If the people inside the meeting see the stop, they will not cower but will go to the scene!   
6) Some of our participants carry video cameras.  A couple of them are professional videographers. If they see something interesting happening...they will videotape it!

It is true that Porcupine 411 is not yet fast enough to trigger a response this rapid...the people simply saw this event through the window of the restaurant and out they flew.

However if you still think this was staged...research it.  Most of the people who witnessed the actual event can be contacted...by you.  Just post any questions you have, to forum.nhfree.com.  If you don't trust the freedom lovers there, maybe you will trust our trolls.

Another common response goes something like this:   "Open carry is a bad idea because it just shows criminals where your gun is, and they might steal it."

Tactically, I see where folks are coming from with this argument.  However, suppose my goal is not tactical but political and social?  Suppose I want to:

1) Remind harmful criminals that Manchester is a heavily armed city, where many, many law abiding citizens are packing
2) Inspire more New Hampshirites to open carry
3) Continue the process of mainstreaming open carry, so that police continue to get more used to it.   Yes, I know Russell didn't act very mainstream.  But by and large MPD is much more calm about this now than they were in 2004...sometimes they're even supportive.  This is because of nice people like Michael Peltier who went out and started DOING it. 

None of that is possible by carrying concealed...and for all you know...that Glock on my hip is just an empty decoration to divert thugs from the revolver on my ankle.  Besides, there aren't very many thugs in Manchester.

We have to go out, live as though we were free, and inspire others to do the same.   

I realize this sort of thing is controversial, but we don't need majority support for success.    If this video alienates 70 percent of the people who see it but 1 percent are inspired to join up with us, or fight harder for their freedom, that is a win.   If one freedom fighter moves to New Hampshire because of this video, that is a win.  Virtually all that needs to happen for freedom to be re-established within America, is a couple thousand liberty activists moving to New Hampshire.  Google the words "New Hampshire Liberty" and decide for yourself whether the two hundred fifty early-moving Free Staters have had a positive impact completely out of proportion to their numbers.  Decide for yourself whether a number eight times that size would be decisive.

Here's another response that sticks in my mind:

"As posted before, The OP was in the legal clear. So should a black man eating at predominantly white eatery also be under suspicion because it is out of the norm? Or a black woman who dares to sit at the front of a bus? A person displaying an anti-war sign?"

I've been hearing this comparison over and over again, between what we're doing and what the early civil rights activists used to do.  It's always an honor to hear, and especially cool to hear it so much more as a result of this video.   

Yet another response...some folks say we shouldn't open carry because that might scare NH voters/lawmakers into outlawing open carry.

There is some risk that the NH House could restrict our gun freedom slightly, but in New Hampshire, attempting to ban open carry would just backfire.  The gun movement here is huge and powerful.  500 people turned out this year just to kill an anti-terrorist amendment to the concealed carry laws.  And killed it was, right out of the chute.  In 2005 the House decisively squashed a bill to ban guns in public schools.  That's right...we remain one of the few states where a parent can lawfully wear a pistol to her daughter's classroom.  Many of the reps and senators themselves lawfully carry guns with them to the legislature, as do their constituents.

With regard to Porcupine 411 I'm hoping it can develop into a true private 911 type service for folks to report government-related emergencies.   Help, I'm being pulled over...help, there are Marshalls at my door, etc.  Right now it's a little slow for that but still impressive.

Lastly, as an update...there is scuttlebut to the effect that MPD was not happy about the State Trooper making this stop.   And there is other scuttlebutt to the effect that they are not happy with *us.*  The restaurant/bar outside which this incident occurred...is expected to come under increased scrutiny.   Not sure why MPD would want to go after a building when their quarrel (if any) is with me.   But they are presumably aware that harassing a successful business treasured and frequented by hundreds of scrappy Free Staters, owned in fact by some of them....that would be a bureaucrat's nightmare.  And free publicity for the bar.

Anyway those are all my thoughts; as promised here are copies of my notes to MPD and NHDOS, neither of which generated a response.

-----

Sent by e-mail to MPD chief on aug 7

Dear Chief Jaskolka:  I wanted to express appreciation for officer J. Kelly's calm handling of my Saturday open carry incident on Elm St.   The Sergeant who responded also conducted himself well, and I was happy to hear his point of view.   Of course, I look forward to the day when open carriers are not stopped at all without probable cause.    I assume this stop would not have happened were it not for the fact that a State Trooper was driving by.

In my experience your officers have handled open carry well, so well in fact that I usually don't even bother getting their names.   It's important for liberty lovers to keep perspective and remind ourselves that the MPD response is at least superior to the panic that would happen in most states.

Open carry is an essential tool for citizens, as it puts fear into the hearts of harmful criminals...reminding them New Hampshire is a dangerous place to try and harm others.

I do take exception to the fact that one of your officers tried to stop a man from videotaping him and, when he couldn't find more ways to exert authority over us, chose to go after a hapless group of car wash kids for posting a sign.

If you are having a problem with litter, because of fallen signs or what not, call me at the number below, tell me which area you want cleaned and I will schedule a citizen trash cleanup.

There has been some speculation among officers that we plotted this encounter, but that is not the case.   Our people just tend to open carry on their way to meetings.  Where there is a meeting there is usually a camera and a squadron of people looking out for each others' rights.

Respectfully yours,


Dave Ridley
NHfree.com



Note to head of state troopers
Aug 8, 2007

Dear Colonel Booth:   

Sorry for my slowness in getting this message to you.  However I wanted to express my respect for trooper L.A. Copponi's calm handling of my Saturday open carry incident in Manchester.   Although I object to police making stops of pedestrians simply because of open carry...I do recognize that trooper Copponi had under half a minute to make his stop-or-don't-stop decision.  If he's anything like most cops, he probably does not deal very often with citizens who responsibly exercise their right to open carry.   At least he approached the situation with an open mind.

It's important for liberty lovers to keep perspective and remind ourselves that the NHDOS response is at least Superior to the panic that would happen in most states.

Open carry is an essential tool for NH citizens, as it puts fear into the hearts of harmful criminals...reminding them New Hampshire is a dangerous place to try and harm others.  It's not as useful for defense as concealed carry, but if we don't use this tool and exercise this right...we will lose it.  More New Hampshirites are doing so, and your men will see more of us as time passes.  Soon I hope you will come to see us as a routine thing.

You may also be aware that I exercised another generally atrophied right during the stop, the right of a pedestrian to refuse police requests for identification cards.  Again, I assume it's not super common for people to exercise this right, but that is why it is so important to exercise.   It too needs to become more common.  There are only a few rights left which government recognizes, thus we must exercise them well and often.  Otherwise we'll lose what few of them remain.

Respectfully yours,


Dave Ridley
NHfree.com

 :bow: ---> Dave

Outstanding!

Very good. Now can you post it on this forum thread (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum37/4024.html) too? Thanks. :)

ya if u guys can spread the msg around that will be helpful... I'm putting it up various places too

Here's one:
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=317555&highlight=open+carry (http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=317555&highlight=open+carry)

awesome, thanks malum

http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845 (http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845)

Here are some who think this was an orchestrated event, and disapprove.

Thinking ahead and planning well often makes things look orchestrated.  I tend to doubt we'll be able to convince everyone out there that we're not lying about it.

Quote from: Lasse on August 16, 2007, 11:27 AM NHFT
http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845 (http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845)

Here are some who think this was an orchestrated event, and disapprove.

They, of course, don't know about Porcupine 911, or, the coincidence of Roger showing up to video the meeting.  Someone could explain it to them, but, they sound like armed 'subjects' to me.

Quote from: Lasse on August 16, 2007, 11:27 AM NHFT
http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845 (http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845)

Here are some who think this was an orchestrated event, and disapprove.

Joined and replied.

There are too many people who will ignore the plain truth of the rare anomalous event and delude themselves into believing that it was planned for some nefarious purpose by the people pretending to be the good guys.

I can't wait for the Dave Ridley Truth Movement to spring up and attempt to expose his evil motives.

Typical Dave Ridley Truther:

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Quote from: KBCraig on August 16, 2007, 01:33 PM NHFT

Quote from: Lasse on August 16, 2007, 11:27 AM NHFT
http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845 (http://packing4life.com/showthread.php?t=2845)

Here are some who think this was an orchestrated event, and disapprove.

Joined and replied.

Good on you KB

"Big Dave's" response is nonsense...  ;D

So if next time we send someone down the street wearing a gun and he gets detained by the cops  .... we will be wrong somehow?

You are free ... unless you plan on exposing the cops as thugs.

Quote from: Beavis on August 16, 2007, 02:51 PM NHFTI can't wait for the Dave Ridley Truth Movement to spring up and attempt to expose his evil motives.

If you rearrange the letters of "David Ridley," you get the phrase "Yard Did Evil."

Coincidence?  I THINK NOT!!!

Quote from: mvpel on August 16, 2007, 07:42 PM NHFT

Quote from: Beavis on August 16, 2007, 02:51 PM NHFTI can't wait for the Dave Ridley Truth Movement to spring up and attempt to expose his evil motives.

If you rearrange the letters of "David Ridley," you get the phrase "Yard Did Evil."

Coincidence?  I THINK NOT!!!

+1 for having WAY too much time on your hands.

I think it's even more chilling to understand the true nature of the forum name: "Dada Orwell" = "War Dead LOL"

/conspiracy

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It's a conspiracy, maaan!
The oil companies've got a
grip on the government!!!

Quote from: coffeeseven on August 16, 2007, 07:45 PM NHFT+1 for having WAY too much time on your hands.

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Do not underestimate the power of the Internet!

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+1 for having WAY too much time on your hands.

(http://www.shyfrog.net/images/darth-kitty.jpg)
Do not underestimate the power of people with too much time on their hands!

Quote from: shyfrog on August 17, 2007, 08:51 AM NHFT
(http://www.shyfrog.net/images/darth-kitty.jpg)
Do not underestimate the power of people with too much time on their hands!

I was working at that convention.
:blush:

Quote from: shyfrog on August 17, 2007, 08:51 AM NHFT

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+1 for having WAY too much time on your hands.

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Do not underestimate the power of people with too much time on their hands!

Hello Vader

Quote from: Beavis on August 16, 2007, 02:51 PM NHFT
There are too many people who will ignore the plain truth of the rare anomalous event and delude themselves into believing that it was planned for some nefarious purpose by the people pretending to be the good guys.

I can't wait for the Dave Ridley Truth Movement to spring up and attempt to expose his evil motives.

What kills me the most are those who (as some on the Merrimack Forum do) believe that something is actually accomplished by stopping people like Dave who legally own and openly carry a gun.  They continue to argue, what if Dave was a nut wanting to shoot up a bar full of people... yeah, and if he was what then?  If he hadn't done anything yet, was still a legal gun owner and had no outstanding warrants what could they have done?  Nothing... so assuming he was a nut all the police did was delay his shooting up a bar.  And being as he wasn't a nut it was nothing more then the harassment of an innocent person.  How can anyone support that I fail to understand.

Then then again I fail to understand that whole gay Darth Vader kitty thing.

Quote from: lildog on August 17, 2007, 03:25 PM NHFT
Then then again I fail to understand that whole gay Darth Vader kitty thing.

Sometime when we're both at Murphy's, remind me to explain camp to you.

Quote from: lildog on August 17, 2007, 03:25 PM NHFT

Quote from: Beavis on August 16, 2007, 02:51 PM NHFT
There are too many people who will ignore the plain truth of the rare anomalous event and delude themselves into believing that it was planned for some nefarious purpose by the people pretending to be the good guys.

I can't wait for the Dave Ridley Truth Movement to spring up and attempt to expose his evil motives.

What kills me the most are those who (as some on the Merrimack Forum do) believe that something is actually accomplished by stopping people like Dave who legally own and openly carry a gun.  They continue to argue, what if Dave was a nut wanting to shoot up a bar full of people... yeah, and if he was what then?  If he hadn't done anything yet, was still a legal gun owner and had no outstanding warrants what could they have done?  Nothing... so assuming he was a nut all the police did was delay his shooting up a bar.  And being as he wasn't a nut it was nothing more then the harassment of an innocent person.  How can anyone support that I fail to understand.

Then then again I fail to understand that whole gay Darth Vader kitty thing.

And if he was planning on shooting up anything, again, the in-plain-sight open carry as he approaches said target isn't the smartest way of going about doing so.

Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on August 17, 2007, 04:14 PM NHFT

Quote from: lildog on August 17, 2007, 03:25 PM NHFT

Quote from: Beavis on August 16, 2007, 02:51 PM NHFT
There are too many people who will ignore the plain truth of the rare anomalous event and delude themselves into believing that it was planned for some nefarious purpose by the people pretending to be the good guys.

I can't wait for the Dave Ridley Truth Movement to spring up and attempt to expose his evil motives.

What kills me the most are those who (as some on the Merrimack Forum do) believe that something is actually accomplished by stopping people like Dave who legally own and openly carry a gun.  They continue to argue, what if Dave was a nut wanting to shoot up a bar full of people... yeah, and if he was what then?  If he hadn't done anything yet, was still a legal gun owner and had no outstanding warrants what could they have done?  Nothing... so assuming he was a nut all the police did was delay his shooting up a bar.  And being as he wasn't a nut it was nothing more then the harassment of an innocent person.  How can anyone support that I fail to understand.

Then then again I fail to understand that whole gay Darth Vader kitty thing.

And if he was planning on shooting up anything, again, the in-plain-sight open carry as he approaches said target isn't the smartest way of going about doing so.

Oh but officer whatever his name was says lots of criminals open carry.

Prevarication caught on tape.  ;)

Dave's open carry video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI#GU5U2spHI_4) has 40,000 views on You Tube, nearly 300 comments.
Comments are coming in from police folks now.

Dave, did you get any replies from Colonel Booth or MPD chief from your letters?

Do you want an open carry parade on Elm for next MVP meeting?  Seems like this one got a lot of attention, might as well keep up the momentum.

Quotepure bs by this clown wasting police officers time. what a clown
chrisneillovescock (20 hours ago) 

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Gun nuts, i hope their kids sccidently shoot themselves!

Two of the most recent comments...  ::)

Almost 43,000 views.

The Dave and Russell show sure has turned out to be a real conversation starter.  :o

I loved Bob Kingsbury's LTE in the KFP (http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=599&Itemid=36), where he calls on the State Police to educate their rank-and-file.

That man has my respeck.

The you tube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI#GU5U2spHI_4) of this event has recieved two honors:
#98 - Top Favorites (This Month) - News & Politics
#78 - Most Linked (This Month) - News & Politics

Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 23, 2007, 11:20 AM NHFT
Dave, did you get any replies from Colonel Booth or MPD chief from your letters?

Do you want an open carry parade on Elm for next MVP meeting?  Seems like this one got a lot of attention, might as well keep up the momentum.

sure

Quote from: TackleTheWorld on August 30, 2007, 04:48 PM NHFT
The you tube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI#GU5U2spHI_4) of this event has recieved two honors:
#98 - Top Favorites (This Month) - News & Politics
#78 - Most Linked (This Month) - News & Politics

Correction, three honors:
#91 - Top Rated (This Month) - News & Politics
#84 - Top Favorites (This Month) - News & Politics
#70 - Most Linked (This Month) - News & Politics

 8)

so I guess the mayor in charge of the thugs visited the merrimack porc meeting and got away without having to answer for what they did to dave

no, it did come up.   i talked to him about it myself after phil greazo brought it up with him.    however i didnt bring it up as a complaint, phil just introduced me to him and brought it up himself.  i should file a full report actually it was an interesting conversation and the mayor was entirely laid back about it.

Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 03, 2007, 07:36 AM NHFT
so I guess the mayor in charge of the thugs visited the merrimack porc meeting and got away without having to answer for what they did to dave

I was going to bring it up but Dave was there and I figured that Dave might have already talked to him.

Dave and I did talk to him about it - he indicated that it was the first topic of discussion at the first staff meeting with the chief following his return from vacation.  A reminder about the legality of open carry and the principles of reasonable suspicion was passed down through the ranks as a result, he said.

Quote from: mvpel on September 03, 2007, 11:40 AM NHFT
Dave and I did talk to him about it - he indicated that it was the first topic of discussion at the first staff meeting with the chief following his return from vacation.  A reminder about the legality of open carry and the principles of reasonable suspicion was passed down through the ranks as a result, he said.

One more step to 'not getting harrassed and controled'
and making 'open carry' an every day event... The
cops who thaught they had power over us have
actually empowered us, motivated  us and united us!!!

Hunter

well maybe we can start open carrying without detention

someday could we dream of being able to hold signs in manchester that question the king without being arrested at the ss biding?

i mentioned your arrest to the mayor, as an explanationafor your salty attitude toward the cops

Original Rebel <actually empowered us, motivated  us and united us!!!>  It works out nicely that way.   :)

Some interesting stats for the video

FreeStateBlogs is the biggest source of linked traffic.  8)

Sites Linking to This Video:
10144 clicks from http://www.freestateblogs.net/dave_ridley_open_carry...
343 clicks from http://video.stumbleupon.com/
246 clicks from http://duggmirror.com/politics/Policing_the_police_o...
200 clicks from http://freestateblogs.net/dave_ridley_open_carry_aug...
123 clicks from http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/video...

Quote from: Tom Sawyer on September 04, 2007, 09:26 AM NHFT
Some interesting stats for the video

FreeStateBlogs is the biggest source of linked traffic.  8)

Sites Linking to This Video:
10144 clicks from http://www.freestateblogs.net/dave_ridley_open_carry...
343 clicks from http://video.stumbleupon.com/
246 clicks from http://duggmirror.com/politics/Policing_the_police_o...
200 clicks from http://freestateblogs.net/dave_ridley_open_carry_aug...
123 clicks from http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/video...

Stormfront being 5th is more worrying.

Sure, they're antigov antifed, but for all the wrong reasons..

95%+ of the FreeStateBlogs traffic is "really" directed from Digg.com -- I blogged about the video and Dugg it, and that lead to thousands of people discovering the NH freedom movement.

To help, head over to:
http://groups.google.com/group/DispatchFreedom

Daves open carry Youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI) is still popular!

over 100,000 views
over 1,200 comments.

Yay Dave and Russell and our professional videographer, Tom S.!

Quote from: TackleTheWorld on December 28, 2008, 10:15 AM NHFT
Daves open carry Youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI) is still popular!

It is cited regularly on opencarry.org. Even in the non-NH state forums, I see it pop up as a reference, and there is always at least a reply or two: "Wow! Another Ridley fan!" "Yeah, I love the Ridley Report!"

thats how i found about this forum /\  ;D

Quote from: rmodel65 on December 29, 2008, 01:21 PM NHFT
thats how i found about this forum /\  ;D

X2

I was just finding out how corrupt our system is, and was nervous...
Dave and this forum have made me feel better once I am in the loop personally I will feel mucho bettero

Wow. Just went thru this whole thread.

True Story.

THIS video is what got me turned on to the FSP. I had heard of it before way back on lewrockwell.com but dave ridley and his ridley reports and specifically this video got my wife and I on the road to the FSP.

dada Orwell I will be in NH in 5/4 - 5/6. I would really like to buy you a drink, shake your hand and thank you for leading me to this group of fellow liberty lovers.

The video wasn't a Ridley Report. Although Dave handled himself very well and promoted it extensively. :)
I produced it and TackleTheWorld put it up on YouTube.

Russell was like the Rodeo Clown, drawing the "bulls" attention. ;D

113,456 views so far.  8)

have to check in every once in a while to see if people are still calling us names

Well Tom,

I would like to buy you a drink and shake your hand and thank you as well. I suppose I would have to include the crazy guy in the striped shirt as well. I wouldn't want to leave Russell out as he might get upset and say "I'm a real person!" until he gets one too. LOL

Seriously this video changed my life.
It led me to researching my beliefs. Which led me to freekeene.com after seeing it advertised on the ridley report which led me to the audio book which led me to the FSP which led me to consider the move which led me to the SOI which led me to NHFree which lead me to make plans to move this year. Amazing what one video can do.

That's really cool  :D

What's the audio book you refer to?

The market for liberty. Ian reads it and it's also availabe in PDF format at book.freekeene.com. I have sent many people to that link over many months.

Quote from: AnCapMan on March 26, 2009, 09:25 AM NHFT
I would like to buy you a drink and shake your hand and thank you as well.

Engage in activism that inspires others along the same path... That was my goal.  :) 8)

I also neglected to credit error for creating and maintaining the Porc 411 system, quite a powerful service.

yes, the most popular "ridley video" by a factor of five...

and it's not a ridley video
but a polticalgraffiti.com video

Right I got the source of the video wrong. I originally saw it on YouTube.com doing searches for open carry incidents. Which eventually led me to your ridleyreport site. And the rest I stated above.

Either way I am thankful that I found this video back then. At that time I was just an open carry advocate. It would be fair to say had I not seen the video I would still be just a Libertarian Party guy. Instead I am a libertarian(notice the lower case). And a free market anarcho capitalist. Before a pawn of the state. After a liberty activist.

Regardless would still like to meet you, Tom, Ian, Russell, Kat, Error and anyone else I accidently am leaving out, and give my thanks. You all made a huge change in me and in turn I have made changes in others. I have turned a card carrying socialist into an anarcho capitalist. And turned many much easier converts as well. All because I stumbled on 1 video.

Quote from: DadaOrwell on March 26, 2009, 11:19 AM NHFT
yes, the most popular "ridley video" by a factor of five...

and it's not a ridley video
but a polticalgraffiti.com video

It's  a video of Ridley!

Why can't these political graffiti artists just leave us alone and start following our anti-graffiti laws.

 ;D

365,754 views and the debate still continues in the comments.

Open Carry Legal in New Hampshire? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL75A194569218EA8C) video hosted on TackletheWorld's Youtube Channel

And none of these guys have stepped up and busted Dave's head in..... I guess they will have to hire thugs then. Oh they already did.

All those views and yet the awning shirt has never really taken off as a big time style.

and most importantly Ridley and I are still alive. :)