Mayor Guinta has more or less invited the manchester free staters to a bbq on Sept. 3. I will go if i can and hope some of u will too.
here are the details from Phil Greazzo:
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Hi Dave,
On Labor Day, Monday September 3rd, my campaign will be coordinating a total lit-drop of Ward 10 with the Mayor's campaign.
We're starting at 10am and with enough volunteers will be able to cover the entire Ward in two hours or less.
We're having a BBQ afterward to show our appreciation for everyone's help. The Mayor will be there around 1pm or so and has expressed to me his interest in meeting the local Free Staters. Since several Free Staters will be helping with the lit drop, I thought it would be good opportunity to put out an invitation to all the porcupines in the greater Manchester area who would like to have a private meeting with Mayor Guinta.
Having a lot of people show up for the lit-drop at 10am and stay for the BBQ would be ideal. For those who don't wish to help and just want to meet the Mayor they're more than welcome to attend.
I just realized I forgot to give you the address.
We'll all be meeting at Tammy Simmons house on 142 Parker Street to get Ward walking lists at 10am, and then we'll all meet back at that same address for the BBQ since it's the bigest yard and has a pool.
Hope to see you there,
Phil
Very little chance I will be there. :(
I wonder if Phil, or the Mayor, have considered inviting the Free Stater State Rep from Manchester?
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A Democrat?
Denis, thanks so much for posting that... *sniff* ... it had been a while since I saw it. :blowkiss:
Quote from: Rocketman on August 24, 2007, 08:50 PM NHFT
Denis, thanks so much for posting that... *sniff* ... it had been a while since I saw it. :blowkiss:
Joel rocks.
Quote from: EthanAllen on August 24, 2007, 08:03 PM NHFT
A Democrat?
"I look forward to the day when your choice for governor is a Republican Free Stater or a Democrat Free Stater!"
-- Rep. Joel Winters
It was good to watch this again. Good to see Joel and Amy (and Baby Boy Winters), and Matt, and Dawn and Shuvom holding signs, and to hear the many enthusiastic voices of Liberty lovers who didn't care about party affiliation. They only cared about how their candidate would vote, and Joel has delivered.
Kevin
Quote from: KBCraig on August 25, 2007, 03:19 AM NHFT
Quote from: EthanAllen on August 24, 2007, 08:03 PM NHFT
A Democrat?
"I look forward to the day when your choice for governor is a Republican Free Stater or a Democrat Free Stater!"
-- Rep. Joel Winters
What's the difference?
Quote from: EthanAllen on August 25, 2007, 07:24 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on August 25, 2007, 03:19 AM NHFT
Quote from: EthanAllen on August 24, 2007, 08:03 PM NHFT
A Democrat?
"I look forward to the day when your choice for governor is a Republican Free Stater or a Democrat Free Stater!"
-- Rep. Joel Winters
What's the difference?
not much :)
from phil greazo:
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On Labor Day, Monday September 3rd, 2007, Mayor Frank Guinta would like to meet all the Manchester area porcupines. He will be attending a BBQ being held for the volunteers of the Phil Greazzo for Alderman campaign. The BBQ starts at 1pm and is preceded by a total lit drop of Ward 10 which begins at 10am. The meeting location for both the lit drop and BBQ is 142 Parker Street, Manchester. Any one interested in helping with the lit drop or meeting the Mayor of Manchester is welcome to attend.
Dave,
The Mayor has a familly matter that came up for Monday, September 3rd, and will be at the MVP meeting this Saturday at 11:30am instead.
Phil
i intend to be polite and welcoming to mr. guinta and hope you guys will too ... i appreciate it when politicians reach out to us even if we are not in agreement on everything.
change of plans apparently: mayor guinta will be coming to our saturday MVP meeting instead of the labor day thing
Quote from: RattyDog on August 31, 2007, 02:54 PM NHFT
Mayor Guinta is a fine man and one we should get to know better for the simple fact that he is open to hearing what *all* kinds of people have to say. He really and truly does seem to have an open door policy. We may not see eye to eye with him on everything....but dammit, he's open to hearing what we have to say!! That makes him a thousand times better than most politicians I know of.
Though I do not agree with him on every issue his open door policy is for real, he does listen, he is kind and considerate, and sincerely wants to cut taxes.
while living in manchester for a while, I caught the mayor in an iterview on the radio. To be honest, I was not too impressed. Although it is hard for any politician to impress me while discussing details of their precious budget. for those that go, I hope your meeting goes well. :)
Quote from: David on August 31, 2007, 11:46 PM NHFT
Although it is hard for any politician to impress me while discussing details of their precious budget.
That precious budget has a direct impact on me - as I own property in Manchester. The best way to control taxes is to control spending. When the budget increases, so do my months expenses since it drives up my property taxes.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on August 30, 2007, 09:10 PM NHFT
i intend to be polite and welcoming to mr. guinta and hope you guys will too ... i appreciate it when politicians reach out to us even if we are not in agreement on everything.
I will not be there ... so I will not have to choose whether to use the tomatoes
...and spending, right? You can't cut one without the other.
Quote from: Rochelle on September 01, 2007, 05:08 PM NHFT
...and spending, right? You can't cut one without the other.
He did mention some spending cuts.
In our tax group... I refuse to use the term tax cut... I prefer lower spending... and therefore taxes SHOULD go down.
I know some folks have expressed a disliking for my barbs at politicos, please, understand my intent is usually not hostile. I hope the discussion went well all in all. :)
Inquiring Minds want to know --- how did the meeting go?
Quote from: Rosie the Riveter on September 02, 2007, 10:25 PM NHFT
Inquiring Minds want to know --- how did the meeting go?
My take:
He said all the 'right things'... seems to be a libertarian GOPer.
A little long winded on some answers but he answered most questions pretty honestly (it seemed).
I had no complaints (other than a tad long).. If I lived in Manch I would vote/campaign for him.
Quote from: Dreepa on September 02, 2007, 10:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Rosie the Riveter on September 02, 2007, 10:25 PM NHFT
Inquiring Minds want to know --- how did the meeting go?
My take:
He said all the 'right things'... seems to be a libertarian GOPer.
A little long winded on some answers but he answered most questions pretty honestly (it seemed).
I had no complaints (other than a tad long).. If I lived in Manch I would vote/campaign for him.
Rob got him good with that question about an endorsement of Ron Paul, though. >:D
He said that the first topic of discussion with the police chief upon his return from vacation was the Ridley video - and the word has been passed down the line from the top.
Why does the city even do garbage pickup? How is it paid for? Is it fee-based or subsidized by general funds or some such?
He talked about making it more efficient. The more I thought about it, the more I was thinking the way to make it efficient is for the city to stop doing it.
Quote from: mvpel on September 02, 2007, 11:03 PM NHFT
He said that the first topic of discussion with the police chief upon his return from vacation was the Ridley video - and the word has been passed down the line from the top.
What did he say about it?
Quote from: Dreepa on September 02, 2007, 10:43 PM NHFT
He said all the 'right things'... seems to be a libertarian GOPer.
A little long winded on some answers but he answered most questions pretty honestly (it seemed).
I had no complaints (other than a tad long).. If I lived in Manch I would vote/campaign for him.
You got the "real" Frank....which is probably why his answers go long.....he's not just giving you some canned response.
Quote from: dalebert on September 03, 2007, 12:26 AM NHFT
Why does the city even do garbage pickup? How is it paid for? Is it fee-based or subsidized by general funds or some such?
He talked about making it more efficient. The more I thought about it, the more I was thinking the way to make it efficient is for the city to stop doing it.
If Manchester did not have trash pickup - this city would be covered with trash. Heck - people can't even manage to either put their trash out on the right day or in way too many cases, they just pile it up, it's not even in a trash can or in bags! If I were paying a private company to pick up my trash at my house, I can bet that every trash day there would be all sorts of trash that shows up that wasn't mine. Same with if we had a bag & tag program - the people who won't pay will just drop their trash someplace else....and then that person ends up having to deal with it.
We can look at making the department run more efficiently or putting it out for private bid though.
This is why it is so important to elect some good people to the aldermanic board. Right now, the general makeup is spend-happy and all for bigger gov't.
Quote from: Ruger Mason on September 03, 2007, 12:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: mvpel on September 02, 2007, 11:03 PM NHFT
He said that the first topic of discussion with the police chief upon his return from vacation was the Ridley video - and the word has been passed down the line from the top.
What did he say about it?
I was hoping Dave would post this as well.....
Quote from: Dreepa on September 02, 2007, 10:43 PM NHFT
He said all the 'right things'... seems to be a libertarian GOPer.
A little long winded on some answers but he answered most questions pretty honestly (it seemed).
I had no complaints (other than a tad long).. If I lived in Manch I would vote/campaign for him.
the current situation in manchester ...
jailing kat and I for holding a sign
detaining dada for holding a gun
is unacceptable
I am not impressed by "our guy" guinta ... he is doing what all of them do .. pretend they agree with you
Quote from: dalebert on September 03, 2007, 12:26 AM NHFT
Why does the city even do garbage pickup? How is it paid for? Is it fee-based or subsidized by general funds or some such?
He talked about making it more efficient. The more I thought about it, the more I was thinking the way to make it efficient is for the city to stop doing it.
If I were trying to downsize the government, something like trash pickup isn't one of the first things I'd tackle. It would be toward the end, actually. Trash pickup is one of the services a lot of people rely on, and something most people probably think they're entitled to; eliminating it would impact virtually everyone in the city, and probably create a backlash among those who think the city ought to provide the service.
Guinta has the right idea when he talks about firing overpaid bureaucrats—things like this will significantly cut spending but impact no one beyond the specific bureaucrat himself.
In general, public-facing services are the ones you need to be the most delicate about eliminating. Go after the stuff almost no one knows about, or cares about, first. Fire the overpriced bureaucrats. Fire the administrative employees at schools before firing teachers or cutting educational programs. Cut mostly behind-the-scene items from budgets first.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 03, 2007, 07:32 AM NHFT
I am not impressed by "our guy" guinta ... he is doing what all of them do .. pretend they agree with you
This is something I was wondering about while listening to him talk.
This guy sounds almost like a freestater... this is a little too
perfect, isn't it? Does anyone have information on his voting record, other speeches that he gives, and so on? Does he go in front of a liberal crowd and say the opposite of what he told us at Murphy's? Anyone heard him do this?
Unfortunately no one asked him about the things you brought up while he was still speaking to the crowd, although it sounds like some people talked to him afterward about Dave's open-carry incident and he discussed it with the police chief.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 03, 2007, 08:30 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 03, 2007, 07:32 AM NHFT
I am not impressed by "our guy" guinta ... he is doing what all of them do .. pretend they agree with you
This is something I was wondering about while listening to him talk. This guy sounds almost like a freestater... this is a little too perfect, isn't it? Does anyone have information on his voting record, other speeches that he gives, and so on? Does he go in front of a liberal crowd and say the opposite of what he told us at Murphy's? Anyone heard him do this?
I have seen him speak a lot and have worked closely with him as a member of his education committee. He is just as he seems. He doesn't BS. If he says he agrees than he agrees and vice versa. He is too conservative for the educrats and not free-market enough for libertarians (me). He has used his veto power to veto fee (tax) increases and consistently puts forth what the democratic alderman think is too lean a budget. His position on most issues reminds me of my staunch small government NH republican grandfather.
I would like him to use the ax on more programs, put more pressure on school administrators and cut spending at a faster rate but I know he wants to stay in office so he seems to work somewhat slowly and quietly.
If you lean small government republican than I don't see any reason not to support him.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 02, 2007, 10:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: Dreepa on September 02, 2007, 10:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Rosie the Riveter on September 02, 2007, 10:25 PM NHFT
Inquiring Minds want to know --- how did the meeting go?
My take:
He said all the 'right things'... seems to be a libertarian GOPer.
A little long winded on some answers but he answered most questions pretty honestly (it seemed).
I had no complaints (other than a tad long).. If I lived in Manch I would vote/campaign for him.
Rob got him good with that question about an endorsement of Ron Paul, though. >:D
How'd he answer that?
Quote from: ThePug on September 03, 2007, 02:38 PM NHFT
How'd he answer that?
he said that after his own election he would look into endorsing other candidates after he spoke with them.
Quote from: Dreepa on September 03, 2007, 03:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: ThePug on September 03, 2007, 02:38 PM NHFT
How'd he answer that?
he said that after his own election he would look into endorsing other candidates after he spoke with them.
Alright, I take it back -- though I've never heard BS from Frank, that is a BS answer -- my guess is he means he wouldn't want to alienate any supporters by siding with a presidential candidate that they don't like.
Quote from: Rosie the Riveter on September 03, 2007, 12:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 03, 2007, 08:30 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 03, 2007, 07:32 AM NHFT
I am not impressed by "our guy" guinta ... he is doing what all of them do .. pretend they agree with you
This is something I was wondering about while listening to him talk. This guy sounds almost like a freestater... this is a little too perfect, isn't it? Does anyone have information on his voting record, other speeches that he gives, and so on? Does he go in front of a liberal crowd and say the opposite of what he told us at Murphy's? Anyone heard him do this?
I have seen him speak a lot and have worked closely with him as a member of his education committee. He is just as he seems. He doesn't BS. If he says he agrees than he agrees and vice versa. He is too conservative for the educrats and not free-market enough for libertarians (me). He has used his veto power to veto fee (tax) increases and consistently puts forth what the democratic alderman think is too lean a budget. His position on most issues reminds me of my staunch small government NH republican grandfather.
I would like him to use the ax on more programs, put more pressure on school administrators and cut spending at a faster rate but I know he wants to stay in office so he seems to work somewhat slowly and quietly.
If you lean small government republican than I don't see any reason not to support him.
Good. He seems like a good enough candidate then, in the short-term, at least. He concentrated on the fact that he'd like to do a lot more cutting, but he doesn't have the support among the aldermen, so maybe he will go farther if people like Greazzo are elected.
Quote from: Rosie the Riveter on September 03, 2007, 03:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: Dreepa on September 03, 2007, 03:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: ThePug on September 03, 2007, 02:38 PM NHFT
How'd he answer that?
he said that after his own election he would look into endorsing other candidates after he spoke with them.
Alright, I take it back -- though I've never heard BS from Frank, that is a BS answer -- my guess is he means he wouldn't want to alienate any supporters by siding with a presidential candidate that they don't like.
If he were to endorse Ron Paul I really wouldn't be surprised if the Republican "leadership" types started throwing money at another candidate to the point where Guinta went down in flames.
We were talking about this at Greazzo's barbecue today, and Phil mentioned it's not really appropriate for local politicians to be endorsing presidential candidates anyway, so it's not surprising he had this sort of waffling "diplomatic" answer.
QuoteRob got him good with that question about an endorsement of Ron Paul, though
That was dumb of Rob, and the way he asked it was especially forward. How should it affect Guinta's ability to be MAYOR based on who he would support for president? It was irrelevant. And if you look at it from a political point of view, how could Guinta say such a thing before he is elected anyway? What if someone were to decide not to vote for him, based on him saying he supported "the wrong" candidate?
As for the trash thing, I really don't see why Manchester doesn't have private trash pick up. It works quite well and it would be the ultimate way for the city to cut spending, rather than cutting routes.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 03, 2007, 07:32 AM NHFT
Quote from: Dreepa on September 02, 2007, 10:43 PM NHFT
He said all the 'right things'... seems to be a libertarian GOPer.
A little long winded on some answers but he answered most questions pretty honestly (it seemed).
I had no complaints (other than a tad long).. If I lived in Manch I would vote/campaign for him.
the current situation in manchester ...
jailing kat and I for holding a sign
detaining dada for holding a gun
is unacceptable
I am not impressed by "our guy" guinta ... he is doing what all of them do .. pretend they agree with you
Did the Mayor himself actually jail you and Kat - or do you just blame him because the police jailed you? I don't know the exact situation, so I'll presume you were arrested for something that you disagree with. How is THAT the fault of the mayor? He can't just wave a magic wand and change the laws.
As far as Dave being detained - he and Dave had a lengthy conversation about how Frank went to the police chief when he returned from vacation the following week to find out why he was stopped and to get assurance that the police were not stopping people just because they were carrying openly. What else would you suggest he do? Turn back time and make the event go away?
You've probably never spoken to him and yet your aren't impressed. Not everyone is "doing what they all do", some are trying to make change for the better. Sometimes those changes are small and slow, but change for the better is still change for the better.
I believe that Kat was arrested for exercising a right that was supposedly guaranteed by that goddamned piece of paper widely known as the First Amendment.
Is it possible for an area to not have trash pick-up? Yes, it is common all over America.
Does it even happen in NH? Yes, of course, most of NH is like that?
Does it cause a lot of problems? No, of course not. It makes things better.
Case in point, in TN outside of the cities (where the vast majority of the land is) there is no government trash pick-up. What do people do? They either remove the trash themself or hire one of the private companies (and there are many).
Problem solved.
What about people that live in Condos or Apartment buildings?
At least where I live, the entire state of TN (or everywhere I have ever been to, at least), they already use private trash pick-up.
Is there any need for any place in NH to have government trash pick-up? No.
Quote from: Keith and Stuff on September 03, 2007, 10:25 PM NHFT
Is it possible for an area to not have trash pick-up? Yes, it is common all over America.
Does it even happen in NH? Yes, of course, most of NH is like that?
Does it cause a lot of problems? No, of course not. It makes things better.
Case in point, in TN outside of the cities (where the vast majority of the land is) there is no government trash pick-up. What do people do? They either remove the trash themself or hire one of the private companies (and there are many).
Problem solved.
What about people that live in Condos or Apartment buildings?
At least where I live, the entire state of TN (or everywhere I have ever been to, at least), they already use private trash pick-up.
Is there any need for any place in NH to have government trash pick-up? No.
It's probably not necessary. But if we were to try to eliminate it in Manchester, now, it would probably be so unpopular as to guarantee that the politician who supported the elimination wouldn't be reëlected.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 03, 2007, 11:44 PM NHFT
It's probably not necessary. But if we were to try to eliminate it in Manchester, now, it would probably be so unpopular as to guarantee that the politician who supported the elimination wouldn't be reëlected.
Because they need big government so much more in Manchester than in Keene?
Quote from: Beavis on September 03, 2007, 08:30 PM NHFT
I believe that Kat was arrested for exercising a right that was supposedly guaranteed by that goddamned piece of paper widely known as the First Amendment.
Like I said - I cannot disagree that she may have been wrongly arrested because I don't know the story - but I don't see how that is the fault of the mayor specifically. Not debating whether she was wronged or not - rather wondering if the finger pointing is directed at the wrong person.
Quote from: Keith and Stuff on September 03, 2007, 10:25 PM NHFT
Is it possible for an area to not have trash pick-up? Yes, it is common all over America.
Does it even happen in NH? Yes, of course, most of NH is like that?
Does it cause a lot of problems? No, of course not. It makes things better.
Case in point, in TN outside of the cities (where the vast majority of the land is) there is no government trash pick-up. What do people do? They either remove the trash themself or hire one of the private companies (and there are many).
Problem solved.
What about people that live in Condos or Apartment buildings?
At least where I live, the entire state of TN (or everywhere I have ever been to, at least), they already use private trash pick-up.
Is there any need for any place in NH to have government trash pick-up? No.
You even say
outside the cities in TN - I think that is part of the issue, this is a city and what works in less populated communities does not necessarily work in larger cities. You and I might be willing to pay for trash private pick-up (I've lived places where I have done that) but there are far too many rental properties - especially those with absentee landlords - that don't have people as considerate as we might be. Even now, there is a process for getting large trash like furniture picked up by the city. You have to call and then they will come pick it up....you can't just throw it out on the sidewalk....but that is exactly what people do. People can't even be bothered to call for a pick up.
Make that department more efficient and we will have reduced the size of gov't - not as far as some may like, but it will be reduced somewhat. Eliminate some trucks so that the collectors are actually working the 8 hours we're paying them for and they're bringing full truck to Auburn rather than partials.
Quote from: ny2nh on September 04, 2007, 05:23 AM NHFT
Quote from: Beavis on September 03, 2007, 08:30 PM NHFT
I believe that Kat was arrested for exercising a right that was supposedly guaranteed by that goddamned piece of paper widely known as the First Amendment.
Like I said - I cannot disagree that she may have been wrongly arrested because I don't know the story - but I don't see how that is the fault of the mayor specifically. Not debating whether she was wronged or not - rather wondering if the finger pointing is directed at the wrong person.
He was mayor when Dave was harassed over open carry and should be held responsible for his police. He should be able to assure us that that won't happen again. I don't know if he was mayor when the feds told the Manchester Police to arrest Kat and Russell when they were peacefully holding signs, on public property. Someone has to ask him if he would do the bidding of the feds if requested to, or, defend the 1st Amendment of people in his city.
Quote from: Keith and Stuff on September 04, 2007, 01:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 03, 2007, 11:44 PM NHFT
It's probably not necessary. But if we were to try to eliminate it in Manchester, now, it would probably be so unpopular as to guarantee that the politician who supported the elimination wouldn't be reëlected.
Because they need big government so much more in Manchester than in Keene?
Did they recently eliminate public trash pickup in Keene? If they were able to get away with it without pissing off too many people, I'd like to know more about it; it'd be instructive on how we might be able to do something similar in Manchester.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 04, 2007, 09:28 AM NHFT
Did they recently eliminate public trash pickup in Keene? If they were able to get away with it without pissing off too many people, I'd like to know more about it; it'd be instructive on how we might be able to do something similar in Manchester.
Get away with it? It is the stand way things work in NH and much of the country. In fact, even when the government does it, they often subcontract the work to a private company. That is how places like Memphis do it (population 700,000). But I still consider it government as people in the urban areas right outside the city of Memphis get to select which company they want and the people inside the city do not get to select which company.
About Keene, the only reason I mentioned it is because they talk on FTL about how it has private trash pickup but I guess it doesn't matter eithe way since private trash pickup is the standard in NH.
I'd rather have three or four lean and hungry small businesses competing for my trash pickup business than to have the inefficient government wasting twice as much of my money on it as I otherwise would have paid. But, you know, I'm one of those crazy libertarians...
I agree that trash pickup should be private; that wasn't the issue I was arguing over. I'm saying that it would be political suicide for the mayor or aldermen to privatize the public trash service we currently have in Manchester, because it would be massively unpopular. Downsizing the local government has to be done one step at a time, the least disruptive things first...
so ... do you think the cops in manchester will get better any time soon?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 04, 2007, 08:34 PM NHFT
so ... do you think the cops in manchester will get better any time soon?
I think they learnt their lesson over harassment of open-carriers, at least, but I wasn't involved in any of these conversations directly so I can't be sure.