I'm going to start meeting local people at Murphy's Taproom (http://www.murphystaproom.net/) every Tuesday night around 6:00 pm until close. Come out and have some good food, good beer and lots of homeland stupidity! ;D
494 Elm St. Manchester (http://www.google.com/maps?q=494+Elm+St,+Manchester,+NH+03101,+USA)
Come out to Murphy's today from 4 pm to show your support. We can't let Keith lose business because there's a deranged lunatic (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11306.0) out there who doesn't want us to live free.
I'll be there, but late. Last day of work before I go on vacation for two weeks get to spend the next two weeks actually in New Hampshire, so I'm winding up a bunch of shit here...
All told we had about 8 people including specter34 who had to leave early. Those of you who didn't show up missed the beautiful woman sitting on my lap! You just never know what's going to happen...
Geez, error gets drunk and hallucinates.
I miss everything!
Any suspected feds and/or NHSLC in attendance? How's Keith's mood?
Quote from: Bald Eagle on October 12, 2007, 11:52 PM NHFT
Geez, error gets drunk and hallucinates.
I miss everything!
Oh, but there were witnesses!!
Quote from: error on October 13, 2007, 12:06 AM NHFT
Quote from: Bald Eagle on October 12, 2007, 11:52 PM NHFT
Geez, error gets drunk and hallucinates.
I miss everything!
Oh, but there were witnesses!!
Really, well I would like to set up an appointment, with you
to discuss these witnesses. >:D
i'll have relatives in town tomorrow , tuesday the 16th and would like to show 'em a big crowd, introduce you to them, and use whatever excuse to get a bigger crowd at murphy's ! Hope to see you tomorrow!
if they arrive late or what not I guess that could change
Quote from: DadaOrwell on October 15, 2007, 09:47 PM NHFT
i'll have relatives in town tomorrow , tuesday the 16th and would like to show 'em a big crowd, introduce you to them, and use whatever excuse to get a bigger crowd at murphy's ! Hope to see you tomorrow!
if they arrive late or what not I guess that could change
I'll probably only be there for a little while and leave early but if you bring them before, say, 8ish or so.
We had 30+ people here tonight, including Dave's parents, and 3 or 4 new people who heard of us from the local rumor mill! One person came down all the way from White River Junction!
That's a ways north isn't it. :o It is good of Daves family to come up to see him. Every one of our family's back home prolly think we are crazy or that we are hanging around a bunch of nutcases, (they may be right ;D ) so it is good for them to meet some of you guys.
By the way, 30+ on a simple request to show up and meet the folks, is a good turnout. You manchester guys should be proud of yourself.
Taproom Tuesday continues to impress with 30+ people coming out to hang out, socialize, relax and maybe even phone bank for Ron Paul if you feel like doing that. But if you can't make it on Tuesdays, or if a smaller crowd appeals to you, join us on Free State Fridays at 6:30! We'll have $2 drafts until 9 pm for you, and plenty of good times even for the non-drinkers.
So, having not been there before (and their web page being not being completely clear on the matter) Murphys Taproom serves just beer, a mini-bar, or a full bar?
I'm currently in Virginia, but I'd like to make plans... :)
I think the web page has the beer list, the wine list, and the full menu posted on it.
I still think they should have a Whiskey list ;D
The food seems to be pretty good for the carnivore crowd. A little light on vegetarian options, but the company and atmosphere seem to make up for that.
Quote from: Ron Helwig on November 02, 2007, 04:49 PM NHFT
The food seems to be pretty good for the carnivore crowd. A little light on vegetarian options, but the company and atmosphere seem to make up for that.
Ron have you mentioned this to Murphy?
I have a veggie friend who asked me about it. And I know that a decent portion of the FSP are veggie lovers.
You all should quit typing and come down here. :)
Quote from: error on November 02, 2007, 05:03 PM NHFT
You all should quit typing and come down here. :)
You should have been out here in Deerfield. We were working on the range, and I usually make pizza on Fridays. We'll be working on it tomorrow and Sunday as well - lots of help would be nice.
I figure Murphy's doesn't need our business as much on Friday nights as it does on Tuesdays. I'm not here in NH for debating and talking, I'm here to get stuff done!
I did send them a few suggestions for Irish vegetarian dishes that could be added to the menu. The chef has graciously done some specials just for me as well ;D
I agree about the food -- it could use some diversification, especially by adding salads and vegetable offerings. I'll mention this to Ivy or Keith. There's nothing like a cold Guinness to wash down that avocado and sprouts salad!
Quote from: Evenstar on November 02, 2007, 02:50 PM NHFT
So, having not been there before (and their web page being not being completely clear on the matter) Murphys Taproom serves just beer, a mini-bar, or a full bar?
I'm currently in Virginia, but I'd like to make plans... :)
It's a bar.....I'm not even sure what a mini-bar is??? They have something like 28 beers on tap.....'cause it's an Irish place.....and they also have all of the regular bar stuff.
Quote from: Taxinator on November 05, 2007, 06:55 PM NHFT
I agree about the food -- it could use some diversification, especially by adding salads and vegetable offerings. I'll mention this to Ivy or Keith. There's nothing like a cold Guinness to wash down that avocado and sprouts salad!
OK guys....it's an Irish Pub. They have pub food with some extras. They have a few salads and leek soup....I don't think the Irish get much more veggie than that....unless you just want potatoes.....but they do have fries! : )
Well it was not Tuesday, but today I made my first visit
to Murphys and it Tis a fine establishment.
I did not indulge in the many fine brews as I was driving the
President of the underground and needed to be alert at
all times.
Good burgers and Seafood Chowder.
Just got this in from Keith. See you all tonight!
Come down to Murphy's Taproom to try the New England Car Bomb!
Join Shipyard Brewery and NH's own Cabin Fever Maple Spirit tonight from 9-11
Try a sample of the New England Car Bomb ( Cabin Fever dropped in the Pumpkinhead) and enjoy $2 Drafts all night long!!!
Come down and try something new... get some free stuff and of course good beer!!!
New England Car Bomb?! I bet bells and whistles just went off at the computer of some Fed analyst monitoring this site. :-D
Especially if you talk about the underground president in the same thread.
Quote from: Pat K on November 05, 2007, 11:28 PM NHFT
Well it was not Tuesday, but today I made my first visit
to Murphys and it Tis a fine establishment.
I did not indulge in the many fine brews as I was driving the
President of the underground and needed to be alert at
all times.
Good burgers and Seafood Chowder.
I didn't know that was your first time there last night. My pastrami sandwich, (Rick insists I didn't have a Reuben because I ordered it without sauerkraut & thousand island dressing ::)), was pretty good.
Hey! You guys at Murphy's! Have you heard about this?
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11858.msg202096;boardseen#new
Ernie Hancock, creator of the original Ron Paul r3V0Lution graphic, is coming for a visit. He will be arriving in Manchester on Tues for three days and bringing some sign making goodies for local campaigners. Jim and I are endeavoring to bring him to TT on the 13th. Hope lot's of people come out.
Gonna try another TT, huh? ;D
We'll have the house packed!
BTW, Free State Friday was fairly well attended, too, with a total of 14 people, including two LURKERS from Connecticut who were on their way up to the Lakes region to look around. Hopefully the lurkers will register accounts and tell us how it went!
Ernie got here today! Just talked to him.
(http://www.ernesthancock.com/assets/images/Ernie_Color_Photo.gif)
If you see him hanging around Murphy's say hi.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on November 12, 2007, 02:35 PM NHFT
Ernie got here today! Just talked to him.
If you see him hanging around Murphy's say hi.
What time is he goung to be at the taproom?
There's a chance I might not make it out tonight. If I don't arrive by 7 pm, please call me. And if I don't answer, please call the jails, hospitals, etc. and find out what will have happened to me.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on November 12, 2007, 02:35 PM NHFT
Ernie got here today! Just talked to him.
(http://www.ernesthancock.com/assets/images/Ernie_Color_Photo.gif)
If you see him hanging around Murphy's say hi.
You get home alright? :P
Quote from: error on November 16, 2007, 06:32 AM NHFT
There's a chance I might not make it out tonight. If I don't arrive by 7 pm, please call me. And if I don't answer, please call the jails, hospitals, etc. and find out what will have happened to me.
Hey Error...can you give me a call darlin'?
Thank you.
Nat
Quote from: error on November 16, 2007, 06:32 AM NHFT
There's a chance I might not make it out tonight. If I don't arrive by 7 pm, please call me. And if I don't answer, please call the jails, hospitals, etc. and find out what will have happened to me.
Well I made it out OK. Free State Friday was a blast. I got to meet Rosie's dad! I also caught this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53imCMnHzZA).
[youtube=425,350]53imCMnHzZA[/youtube]
As for my, er, situation alluded to above, this is what I can say publicly: It had little or nothing to do with the developing situation re: the Liberty Dollar, nor the ongoing situation regarding you know who, though I remain concerned about both.
I had a rather severe allergic reaction to a common local anesthetic. As a result part of my face was quite swollen and puffy looking. Those of you who came out tonight probably noticed this. As of early Friday morning when I posted that I thought I was going to be looking at a hospital stay. Fortunately it's clearing itself up for the most part and I should be back to my usual ugly self within a few days.
There will be no Taproom Tuesday on December 25, for obvious reasons, and there will be no Free State Friday on January 4, due to the New Hampshire Liberty Forum. On that day we'll be partying somewhere in Nashua. More details when the time comes!
What happens if we show up on those days? Will we get kicked out?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 19, 2007, 09:32 AM NHFT
What happens if we show up on those days? Will we get kicked out?
I doubt it. Though you may find nobody there. I don't even think the Taproom will be open on Christmas Day. You might end up going to a Chinese restaurant instead. :)
Mmm....cat.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 19, 2007, 03:21 PM NHFT
Mmm....cat.
There's no getting away from this madness, is there? ;D
Now was that a catty comment or what? ;D
It practically, purred.
Quote from: error on November 19, 2007, 12:28 PM NHFT
I doubt it. Though you may find nobody there. I don't even think the Taproom will be open on Christmas Day. You might end up going to a Chinese restaurant instead. :)
[youtube=425,350]VVMvAZTD4l8[/youtube]
Apparently this is the same place "A Christmas Story" was filmed and they now entertain people by giving them the same experience as the family in the movie, all the way down to singing Christmas carols in outrageously exaggerated Chinese accents. How cool is that?!
CHOP CHOP ;D
Irena and I would each like to purchase one Liberty Dollar certificate.
Irena will be at TT tonight. If you have a silver certificate or two and are willing to part with 'em, please bring 'em.
Thanks!
Quote from: d_goddard on November 20, 2007, 12:19 PM NHFT
Irena and I would each like to purchase one Liberty Dollar certificate.
Irena will be at TT tonight. If you have a silver certificate or two and are willing to part with 'em, please bring 'em.
Thanks!
My son can sell you one and has another if anyone else is interested in the class action. He's keeping the third.
I can be at Murphy's around 7.
Come out tonight and meet Trevor Lyman, creator of This November 5th and TeaParty07!
Everyone drive carefully tonight. The roads are still wet and slushy and people have forgotten how to drive on them.
Quote from: error on November 20, 2007, 01:54 PM NHFT
Everyone drive carefully tonight. The roads are still wet and slushy and people have forgotten how to drive on them.
I'm gonna walk. I already walked to the bank and then to the grocery store.
Quote from: error on November 10, 2007, 08:56 PM NHFT
We'll have the house packed!
BTW, Free State Friday was fairly well attended, too, with a total of 14 people, including two LURKERS from Connecticut who were on their way up to the Lakes region to look around. Hopefully the lurkers will register accounts and tell us how it went!
Scott: We LURK no more! It was great to no longer be a virtual visitor at the Taproom (and weird in a Matrix sort of way) ... Had no idea that we were walking into Free State Fridays. Hope you'll make it a tradition.
Laura: We came in strangers and left with new friends. In fact that happened to us all weekend, from the Taproom to the top of Mt. Crawford.
Scott: We just kept running into terrific people.
Laura: We made our way up to Ashland on Friday. Stayed at a lovely romantic inn and made the most of it! It was a great get away place.
Scott: Apparently the innkeepers are customers of Murphy's too.
Laura: We really liked the flavor of the area: Ashland, Holderness, Plymouth and Campton. Plenty of space but close enough to the things that are necessary and fun too.
Scott: So we'll be back. BTW, Chris, on the way out of Ashland on Sunday we went up Highland Rd and what do we see: 414 acres for sale! Did a double take and rechecked, yep, 414 acres. Of course they only want $1.5M but hey, maybe there are 2 or 3 others we can split it with. We could create a Free State Redoubt!
There is another Murphy's in the Lakes region.
I will be leaving in about 10 minutes for this.. . :)
Quote from: !ctlurker on November 20, 2007, 05:23 PM NHFT
Laura: We came in strangers and left with new friends.
Welcome to New Hampshire. You'll make a fine addition to this wonderful group of friends.
Quote from: !ctlurker on November 20, 2007, 05:23 PM NHFT
BTW, Chris, on the way out of Ashland on Sunday we went up Highland Rd and what do we see: 414 acres for sale! Did a double take and rechecked, yep, 414 acres. Of course they only want $1.5M but hey, maybe there are 2 or 3 others we can split it with. We could create a Free State Redoubt!
Oh boy...don't let Rosie see that. That would be a hell of a commute...
Quote from: Amos Keag on November 20, 2007, 08:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: !ctlurker on November 20, 2007, 05:23 PM NHFT
Laura: We came in strangers and left with new friends.
Welcome to New Hampshire. You'll make a fine addition to this wonderful group of friends.
Quote from: !ctlurker on November 20, 2007, 05:23 PM NHFT
BTW, Chris, on the way out of Ashland on Sunday we went up Highland Rd and what do we see: 414 acres for sale! Did a double take and rechecked, yep, 414 acres. Of course they only want $1.5M but hey, maybe there are 2 or 3 others we can split it with. We could create a Free State Redoubt!
Oh boy...don't let Rosie see that. That would be a hell of a commute...
If you can afford it, Amos... of course, you can also afford a helicopter. ::) Get with the program! ;D
PS Welcome to the board !ctlurker(s) :)
two of the people I was looking for.. Rosie and Amos and neither of them there!
I'm waiting for the Bill Grennon report. 8)
Quote from: Dreepa on November 20, 2007, 11:23 PM NHFT
two of the people I was looking for.. Rosie and Amos and neither of them there!
So sorry I missed you :hug45:
The Operation Live Free or Die people are starting to trickle in. Met half a dozen of them last night, along with the usual suspects found at Murphy's on a Friday night. See you all Tuesday!
Damnit. My master plan to not miss any more Tuesday's has failed again....
This Ron Paul guy sure is taking up a lot of time. I even tried ignoring him for two weeks.
To Error regards allergies-just my .02, you may want to keep on hand an anti-histamine such as loratadine, sold as claritan as well as generic, or diphenhydramine hci, (hydrocloride). both are labeled for allergies. They will help, though it will not save you from an extreme reaction.
Gonna be there Friday!
Quote from: Dan on November 29, 2007, 09:22 PM NHFT
Gonna be there Friday!
Good time to be there. I hear a certain Wookiee might be present.
Should be there tonight, but probably a bit late, and leaving early. My parents are coming up from Massachusetts for a visit this weekend and will be arriving tonight, so we might all go over to Murphy's for dinner.
Quote from: error on October 12, 2007, 02:15 PM NHFT
I'm going to start meeting local people at Murphy's Taproom (http://www.murphystaproom.net/) every Tuesday night around 6:30 pm until close. Come out and have some good food, good beer and lots of homeland stupidity! ;D
Also every Friday night for Free State Friday from 6:30 pm until 9 pm. Due to the Friday night hockey games, parking tends to be rather difficult, so plan to arrive early!
494 Elm St. Manchester (http://www.google.com/maps?q=494+Elm+St,+Manchester,+NH+03101,+USA)
QuoteTaproom Tuesday and Free State Friday
Why not simply make it Daily Due Diligence? Meet everyday . . .
8) I think I will be there because I care, freedom our #1 right is in danger and I want to help.
If you weren't at Taproom Tuesday you missed all the fun! In addition to having 30+ people including plenty of people from Operation Live Free or Die in attendance, including Vijay Boyapati formerly of Google, we had a reporter from the Chicago Tribune as well as a television news crew from FOX NEWS in DC. All in all one amazing night!
Quote from: error on December 05, 2007, 01:22 AM NHFT
If you weren't at Taproom Tuesday you missed all the fun! In addition to having 30+ people including plenty of people from Operation Live Free or Die in attendance, including Vijay Boyapati formerly of Google, we had a reporter from the Chicago Tribune as well as a television news crew from FOX NEWS in DC. All in all one amazing night!
and don't forget the new menu! (http://ronhelwig.com/blog/2007/dec/new_menu_murphys)
Quote from: error on November 19, 2007, 12:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on November 19, 2007, 09:32 AM NHFT
What happens if we show up on those days? Will we get kicked out?
I doubt it. Though you may find nobody there. I don't even think the Taproom will be open on Christmas Day. You might end up going to a Chinese restaurant instead. :)
Murphy's will be open on the 25th so there will be a Taproom Tuesday. Anyone who's sick of their in-laws is welcome!
Tonight is free state Friday, but for some reason I want to be watching government tv @ 8:30 tonight. Does anyone know if Murphy's might have a tv tuned to pbs at that time? If so (and I can my kids tucked into bed in time) I might be able to make it there. Anyone with inside info (or already there) please let me know here.
Thanks,
-Nat
For the Ron Paul thing? You can ask Keith about putting it up; he's pretty good about doing that sort of thing. Though if he has a large crowd of non-liberty-lovers, he might put it on with closed captioning instead of sound.
Quote from: Dan on November 26, 2007, 07:42 AM NHFT
This Ron Paul guy sure is taking up a lot of time. I even tried ignoring him for two weeks.
would you like me to show you how?
I watch 1 Ron Paul related video and read 1 cartoon each week ... it is amusing and nothing like running on a treadmill :)
Will the people who took pictures of the FOX NEWS truck please contact me? I'd like to reuse your pictures. Thanks!
Those of you who didn't come to Taproom Tuesday missed a lot of fun! As I've said before, you never know what's going to happen. This Tuesday, while Ron Paul was busy with Glenn Beck, three of his very hot granddaughters dropped in! And yes, I got pictures.
We will meet next Tuesday, Christmas evening, at Murphy's, for those of you who feel the need to get away from your insane in-laws, or whatever.
[youtube=425,350]E5BP40wGO6c[/youtube]
Bah, first TT I missed since I started going in July...
Quote from: error on December 20, 2007, 01:46 AM NHFT
We will meet next Tuesday, Christmas evening, at Murphy's, for those of you who feel the need to get away from your insane in-laws, or whatever.
So, you're not coming to the Winter Solstice Celebration (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12197.0)?
Quote from: Ron Helwig on December 20, 2007, 09:03 AM NHFT
Quote from: error on December 20, 2007, 01:46 AM NHFT
We will meet next Tuesday, Christmas evening, at Murphy's, for those of you who feel the need to get away from your insane in-laws, or whatever.
So, you're not coming to the Winter Solstice Celebration (http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12197.0)?
Apparently not.
Those of you who didn't come out Friday missed lots of fun, including Catholics for Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUqMJa0VAIg).
[youtube=425,350]mUqMJa0VAIg[/youtube]
Hey, if anyone is going to Freedom Friday tonight and can drop by the Manchester airport around 9pm, we would appreciate a ride to Ivy's place so we can grab our car. 801-319-6294
I'll pass the word around tonight and we'll get you out of the airport somehow or other. :)
Hopefully someone who actually owns a car will show up...
See you all tonight at Taproom Tuesday. Drive safely!
Ha HA. I made it there and back without being arrested!
It was great to see you there!
Later in the evening we were visited by a reporter from USA TODAY who asked us various questions about the Ron Paul campaign. Those of you who left early missed getting your opinion in. :)
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on January 01, 2008, 11:51 PM NHFT
Ha HA. I made it there and back without being arrested!
;D 8)
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on January 01, 2008, 11:51 PM NHFT
Ha HA. I made it there and back without being arrested!
Considering it was the same day-of-week, you're probably lucky the same cop wasn't lurking in the same spot on your way home. ;D
I bet that particular cop would have just looked the other way ;D
Shyfrog ever get home?
Quote from: David on January 02, 2008, 01:12 PM NHFT
Shyfrog ever get home?
If I recall correctly, Alec picked him up?
I would bet you could get from the Manchester Airport to Murphy's by bus pretty easily. Anybody know for sure?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 05, 2008, 04:13 PM NHFT
I would bet you could get from the Manchester Airport to Murphy's by bus pretty easily. Anybody know for sure?
Looks like route 3 (http://www.mtabus.org/route3.cfm) goes from the airport to the bus station on Granite Street, a couple blocks from Murphy's.
I got arrested at that bus stop ... and you can pick up a copy of the Keene Free Press out in front of the Center of NH.
Just a reminder to all you freedom lovers out there that Freedom Friday and Taproom Tuesday resume their normal schedules tonight.
Join us at Murphy's Taproom, 494 Elm St., Manchester, for great food and camaraderie with fellow lovers of liberty here in southern New Hampshire, every Tuesday and Friday night from 6:30 until whenever you have to go to bed.
Come join freedom lovers and Ron Paul supporters at Taproom Tuesday at Murphy's Taproom to watch the returns from the Michigan primary election!
I need to borrow a CompactFlash II/Microdrive card reader (USB or FireWire) for a short while. If you have one, please let me know, or just bring it down with you tonight. Thanks!
http://www.ronpaulfriday.com/
It's always Ron Paul Friday around here. :)
Anyway:
Just a reminder that Taproom Tuesday is tonight from 6:30 pm! By request, I'll be bringing in a shiny new Amazon Kindle (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FI73MA?tag=ioerror-20) for interested people to play with. (Literally new, since UPS generally delivers here around 4 pm and I probably won't have time to do much more than charge it.) And, as our history shows, you never know what's going to happen when you put a whole bunch of freedom lovers in the same room and add great food and beer. So you can be sure that won't be the only thing going on! See you all tonight!
The market, it seems, has spoken.
Effective immediately, Freedom Friday is discontinued until further notice. It has simply been too difficult to convince people to come out and fight the hockey fans for parking. It has, of late, also been too difficult to actually find space within Murphy's. This, I suppose, is good for him, but not so good for us.
I'll re-evaluate the situation once (1) hockey season is over, and (2) enough people tell me they are actually interested in coming out on Friday evenings.
Quote from: error on January 26, 2008, 03:12 PM NHFT
The market, it seems, has spoken.
Effective immediately, Freedom Friday is discontinued until further notice. It has simply been too difficult to convince people to come out and fight the hockey fans for parking. It has, of late, also been too difficult to actually find space within Murphy's. This, I suppose, is good for him, but not so good for us.
I'll re-evaluate the situation once (1) hockey season is over, and (2) enough people tell me they are actually interested in coming out on Friday evenings.
I've not been showing up only because I'm about to quit my job and leaving work at 15:00
two days a week, in order to get back to Manchester in time, simply isn't doable as I wrap up projects and transfer work to the other developers.
That's too bad. :-\
Well, at least you're quitting your job and won't have that loony commute anymore.
Quote from: error on January 26, 2008, 05:19 PM NHFT
Well, at least you're quitting your job and won't have that loony commute anymore.
Yup.
What, is that an hour drive each way? You may as well live in LA.
Quote from: David on January 28, 2008, 01:44 PM NHFT
Quote from: error on January 26, 2008, 05:19 PM NHFT
Well, at least you're quitting your job and won't have that loony commute anymore.
Yup.
What, is that an hour drive each way? You may as well live in LA.
Ha! :laughing4: It's over two hours during rush hour.
I actually don't drive, but take a commuter bus. It usually works out like this:—
06:00 Manchester — 07:15–07:30 Boston
07:00 Manchester — 08:45–09:15 Boston
08:30 Manchester — 09:45–10:15 Boston
I just heard a rumor that Bob Schultz (http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org) might be stopping by. Just speculation at this point, but I was asked to pass it on.
Interesting, that would mean he is still in the area. Did he move? ;D
This is the big one. This Tuesday, voters in two dozen states will determine whether 2009 ushers in a new era of limited government and peace, or whether one of two brands of tyranny will engulf this country, ushering in a new era of terror, poverty and death.
We stand at the edge of the abyss, and however you may feel about voting, on Tuesday, those people will push us over, or pull us back.
One thing is for certain: on Tuesday, we are going to eat, drink and be merry, and you are welcome to join us. Come for dinner anytime after 5 pm, socialize with your fellow freedom lovers, watch the results come in on the huge projection TV, and stay for as long as you care to (or until Nanny State says you have to go home).
Murphy's Taproom (http://www.murphystaproom.net/)
494 Elm Street (http://www.google.com/maps?q=494+Elm+St,+Manchester,+NH+03101,+USA)
Manchester, NH 03101
Quote from: Ron Helwig on January 29, 2008, 12:30 PM NHFT
I just heard a rumor that Bob Schultz (http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org) might be stopping by. Just speculation at this point, but I was asked to pass it on.
Bob showed up at the vote count today, but, I think he came in from Albany today.
Just a reminder for everyone that Taproom Tuesday is tonight, and I'll be bringing my Amazon Kindle again for people to play with and ask questions about. Join freedom lovers tonight for good food and great conversation!
It's snowing; is anyone going to TT tonight? I plan to brave the weather, but not sure if the walkers will make it....
It's coming down hard here in the Monadnock region
is there any tapdancing at the Taproom?
KOla
Weather's kind of bad today. It's nasty wet snow and we're expecting it to be mixed with rain and sleet later. Drive with extreme caution if you come out.
I won't be at Taproom Tuesday tonight because I have to do emergency maintenance on the server housing Homeland Stupidity, FreeKeene.com, NH Tea Party and several others. It has a failing hard drive, which is why it's been so frequently unreachable for the past few days. This maintenance will begin at 7pm and should be completed by 11pm tonight.
Quote from: Pants Down Blair on February 26, 2008, 04:34 PM NHFT
Drive with extreme caution if you come out.
Or drive with extreme fun! ;D
Some of the Little Minnesota crew made it, but we didn't see anyone from Porc Central. Heck, Bill and Rob made it, and they had even farther to drive.
It is 5 blocks away....and they are liberals...but Ben & Jerry's has a Free Cone Day on Tuesday April 29th.
TANSTAAFC?
Quote from: doobie on April 27, 2008, 09:49 PM NHFT
It is 5 blocks away....and they are liberals...but Ben & Jerry's has a Free Cone Day on Tuesday April 29th.
We should all arrive en masse at B&J's in FSP shirts!
Quote from: dalebert on April 28, 2008, 09:25 AM NHFT
Quote from: doobie on April 27, 2008, 09:49 PM NHFT
It is 5 blocks away....and they are liberals...but Ben & Jerry's has a Free Cone Day on Tuesday April 29th.
We should all arrive en masse at B&J's in FSP shirts!
I was also sort of thinking while open carrying....
Quote from: doobie on April 28, 2008, 02:02 PM NHFT
I was also sort of thinking while open carrying....
Good idea.
:)
Since error isn't reminding people like he was so good at doing - I thought I would this week!
Tonite is Taproom Tuesdays at Murphy's (494 Elm St.) - and if you haven;t checked out the newly opened back room, tonite is a great time to do so!
$2 draft beers and delicious food items!
How is the outlet accessibility for laptops in the back room? ;D
Reminder for those thinking of attending tonight:
QuoteI do have some concern about my speed of drawing. I'm faster than when I started but I still don't feel really fast. So another thought I had was that I would offer a few locals a chance to pose for me ahead of time. For a limited number of people who are willing to volunteer, I'll do your image for free. All I ask for is a promise that you will order a t-shirt and wear it to Porcfest to help promote my table.
More here:
http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2008/04/23/visit-me-at-porcfest/
Didn't really notice....but I'm going to guess there must be outlets along the walls.
One nice thing - from the perspective of the wait staff at Murphy's - is that there will likely only be one server back there - and it keeps the confusion over who is whose server straight when people are moving from table to table or moving tables together. It can be hard for the wait staff to keep track of where their customers are out front.....
See you tonite.
I know I have next Tuesday off, maybe if I can talk someone from Keene area into picking me up i'll make it down for the first time in a long time. :) (if anyone in the area is interested, I pay gas.)
It was a particularly fun night last Tuesday. The warm weather brought back the party atmospehere I guess.
And for all the single young men out there: The place was overflowing with the ladies.
Only in this group is talking about disaster prep and the SHTF called "fun."
;D
Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2008, 11:56 PM NHFT
It was a particularly fun night last Tuesday. The warm weather brought back the party atmospehere I guess.
And for all the single young men out there: The place was overflowing with the ladies.
There are often a lot of young college females there later at night....I think from St. A's. We were commenting that some of them didn't look old enough to drink though!
Quote from: ny2nh on May 08, 2008, 06:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2008, 11:56 PM NHFT
It was a particularly fun night last Tuesday. The warm weather brought back the party atmospehere I guess.
And for all the single young men out there: The place was overflowing with the ladies.
There are often a lot of young college females there later at night....I think from St. A's. We were commenting that some of them didn't look old enough to drink though!
Interesting... :D
Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2008, 11:56 PM NHFT
And for all the single young men out there: The place was overflowing with the ladies.
Mmm, all the more reason to try to show up more... oh wait, I'm not single. Now if I can just get the GF to give me a higher priority in her schedule.
Quote from: ny2nh on May 08, 2008, 06:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Dan on May 07, 2008, 11:56 PM NHFT
It was a particularly fun night last Tuesday. The warm weather brought back the party atmospehere I guess.
And for all the single young men out there: The place was overflowing with the ladies.
There are often a lot of young college females there later at night....I think from St. A's. We were commenting that some of them didn't look old enough to drink though!
Wha wha whaaaaat?
:o
Everyone - including the St. A's girls - was 21 and over. I employ a doorman to check IDs for this very reason.
As I get older and further from the 21-year-old mark myself, 21-year-olds look younger and younger to me. I know they look young, but they're legal.
Didn't mean to imply that they weren't old enough....just that they all didn't look old enough. I'm with you - the older I get, they younger they look!
Quote from: Rearden on May 10, 2008, 06:14 PM NHFT
Everyone - including the St. A's girls - was 21 and over. I employ a doorman to check IDs for this very reason.
Doorman? That's new. When did this start?
Quote from: error on May 14, 2008, 04:02 PM NHFT
Quote from: Rearden on May 10, 2008, 06:14 PM NHFT
Everyone - including the St. A's girls - was 21 and over. I employ a doorman to check IDs for this very reason.
Doorman? That's new. When did this start?
Right after he installed the brass pole for the dancersRightafter the Bikers took the joint overRight after Dale talked him into turning the place ino a Gay Lesbian BarRight after he hired the Wine Concierge
I'm running out of stuff here! Help me out!
Right after the big who is a Cylon sci-fi geeks
bar brawl.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on May 14, 2008, 05:01 PM NHFT
Quote from: error on May 14, 2008, 04:02 PM NHFT
Quote from: Rearden on May 10, 2008, 06:14 PM NHFT
Everyone - including the St. A's girls - was 21 and over. I employ a doorman to check IDs for this very reason.
Doorman? That's new. When did this start?
Right after he installed the brass pole for the dancers
Rightafter the Bikers took the joint over
Right after Dale talked him into turning the place ino a Gay Lesbian Bar
Right after he hired the Wine Concierge
I'm running out of stuff here! Help me out!
How a bout right after he opened the back room? Once you add music to the mix, I would guess that you are more likely to attract underage drinkers.....and since Keith runs an successful, upstanding business, he probably doesn't want to chance it. I don't blame him in the least. Plus, there are more and more people at Murphy's these days....and if some drunk guy picks a fight with someone, I could hardly see MJ or Molly or one of the other wait staff being able to do much to stop it!
Is Keith making sure the doorman knows the regulars, and/or is using his own judgment as to who looks like they're under twenty-one? I do not produce my government ID—if I even have it on me—except to a police officer, while I'm in my car. I'm probably not alone here, except a lot of people probably won't even do that, or don't even have ID. :)
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 15, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
Is Keith making sure the doorman knows the regulars, and/or is using his own judgment as to who looks like they're under twenty-one? I do not produce my government ID—if I even have it on me—except to a police officer, while I'm in my car. I'm probably not alone here, except a lot of people probably won't even do that, or don't even have ID. :)
While you are
driving or
in charge of a car you need to produce it. This could require you to produce it when you are outside your car and it is running, or some other obscure situation.
265:4 Disobeying an Officer. –
I. No person, while driving or
in charge of a vehicle, shall:
(e) Refuse, on demand of such officer, to produce his license to drive such vehicle or his certificate of registration or to permit such officer to take the license or certificate in hand for the purpose of examination;
Yeah, I knew about that, but the only way I imagine such a scenario occurring where I didn't have my license on me would be with the car parked in my driveway or garage. Otherwise, it had to have gotten where it is by me driving it there, in which case I'd have my license on me.
You're missing the point Jeremy. Keith is running a business. There are laws that his business must follow to stay in business. This includes not serving alcohol to someone under 21. Last night, the door men were both usually bartenders...so they would probably recognize you and not ask for an ID. I would think if someone who is not familiar to them were to arrive, and they looked like they could possibly be underage, they would ID them. If that person doesn't have an ID or refuses to show one, I would expect that they wouldn't be allowed in.....and justifiably so. If any of us can't see that this is just a necessary part of running an business that serves alcohol, then I don't know what to tell you. Keith has his investment and the investment of others to look out for first and foremost.
That said, I don't know how Keith can make sure every doorman knows every "regular". And as far as using judgment as to if they are under 21.....I would think if there is the remote possibility that they are, then they have to show ID to prove they are. Thinking someone is old enough is far different from if they ARE old enough....and that is how the bars get busted for serving minors....someone who looks old enough but isn't goes in and gets served....bam, busted for serving a minor.
Additionally, I believe the server is held responsible as well...not just the establishment.
The server indeed is criminally liable.
Quote from: ny2nh on May 16, 2008, 08:07 AM NHFT
If any of us can't see that this is just a necessary part of running an business that serves alcohol, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's a necessary part of
complying with the law, but otherwise not at all necessary to the running of a business. It's an important distinction.
So is Murphy's now restricted to 21+? I thought it was a family restaurant that happens to have a kick-ass selection of beers.
They don't do the door men until later in the evening when the music starts.....families aren't going out for dinner at 9:00 or later.
And yes complying with the law is only necessary if Keith wants to serve alcohol - and I'll venture to guess that without alcohol, he is out of business, so complying with the law is needed to sustain his business.
And I think you missed my point, Tammy. There are many different ways that one can "comply" with the law:
One can make it a point to say that he doesn't agree with the law, at all, and that he's merely following it because he has to. One can read the law in the most conservative way possible. One can try to find whatever exceptions and loopholes exist, that he can slip through, come up with innovative interpretations, and so on. And one can prepare to fight the law to the fullest extent in the courts, if he is ever called to do so.
Or one can bend over backwards to meet or exceed the requirements of the law, either out of caution, paranoia, or because one actually wants to demonstrate that he agrees with the law. As a ludicrous example, I've seen bars and liquor stores card senior citizens just to prove how supportive they are of "responsible" liquor laws.
Considering that the Taproom is owned and operated by a group of libertarians, on which end of this spectrum do they lie?
By the way, while digging through the liquor laws, I found this statute (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XIII/179/179-21.htm). Are any of the stakeholders in the Taproom planning on running for State rep this year? Maybe idiocy like that RSA will help to show why we all need to stand up to the bastards instead of just "comply" with whatever they dish out.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 17, 2008, 09:34 AM NHFT
And I think you missed my point, Tammy. There are many different ways that one can "comply" with the law:
One can make it a point to say that he doesn't agree with the law, at all, and that he's merely following it because he has to. One can read the law in the most conservative way possible. One can try to find whatever exceptions and loopholes exist, that he can slip through, come up with innovative interpretations, and so on. And one can prepare to fight the law to the fullest extent in the courts, if he is ever called to do so.
Or one can bend over backwards to meet or exceed the requirements of the law, either out of caution, paranoia, or because one actually wants to demonstrate that he agrees with the law. As a ludicrous example, I've seen bars and liquor stores card senior citizens just to prove how supportive they are of "responsible" liquor laws.
Considering that the Taproom is owned and operated by a group of libertarians, on which end of this spectrum do they lie?
By the way, while digging through the liquor laws, I found this statute (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XIII/179/179-21.htm). Are any of the stakeholders in the Taproom planning on running for State rep this year? Maybe idiocy like that RSA will help to show why we all need to stand up to the bastards instead of just "comply" with whatever they dish out.
As individuals, every single one of us can take our lives savings and pool it with funds from others and open an establishment that chooses to serve alcohol. We can also decide whether it is a good business decision to follow the current laws that require that alcohol not be served to minors - the best way to verify the age of a patron is from some sort of legitimate photo identification. Or - we can decide that we will follow what we believe should be the law (as opposed to working to change the law) which would eventually lead to the revocation of the license required to sell alcohol.
Everyone has the right to do what they want - in the name of being libertarians or whatever it is they want to call themselves. You take your money and run your business the way you think makes it most likely to be financially successful....and leave Keith to run his the way he feels he should to make his financially successful.
Came back in 10 years...I'll be at the place that Keith will still own. : )
Quote from: ny2nh on May 17, 2008, 11:11 AM NHFT
We can also decide whether it is a good business decision to follow the current laws that require that alcohol not be served to minors - the best way to verify the age of a patron is from some sort of legitimate photo identification. Or - we can decide that we will follow what we believe should be the law (as opposed to working to change the law) which would eventually lead to the revocation of the license required to sell alcohol.
I think you misunderstood my post—I was not suggesting that they ignore or intentionally break the law. That has it's place, but I understand that doesn't work for a business. I was pointing out that one can comply with the law either by doing the bare minimum necessary or by doing everything asked of them and then some, and wondering which side the owners of the Taproom are taking.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 17, 2008, 11:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: ny2nh on May 17, 2008, 11:11 AM NHFT
We can also decide whether it is a good business decision to follow the current laws that require that alcohol not be served to minors - the best way to verify the age of a patron is from some sort of legitimate photo identification. Or - we can decide that we will follow what we believe should be the law (as opposed to working to change the law) which would eventually lead to the revocation of the license required to sell alcohol.
I think you misunderstood my post—I was not suggesting that they ignore or intentionally break the law. That has it's place, but I understand that doesn't work for a business. I was pointing out that one can comply with the law either by doing the bare minimum necessary or by doing everything asked of them and then some, and wondering which side the owners of the Taproom are taking.
And I guess my point is that there is no "bare minimum" - you can lose your liquor license (and the server be held criminally responsible) for serving anyone under 21. Failure to check ID's of
anyone that
might be under 21 would be plain stupid. It only takes one incident to get Keith in trouble. There's no using judgment, etc.....it's pretty black & white - check ID's to be sure someone is old enough. I don't see how there is more than one side to this - expect to blatantly be disregarding the law....which you said you didn't mean. So - I guess I don't follow what the alternative to checking ID's would be.....
Okay. So what efforts are currently underway to reign in the State liquor commission? If one can't even express one's discontent with the law without giving them an excuse to revoke the liquor license, that's something in dire need of fixing.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 12:07 PM NHFT
Okay. So what efforts are currently underway to reign in the State liquor commission? If one can't even express one's discontent with the law without giving them an excuse to revoke the liquor license, that's something in dire need of fixing.
I agree. I think the solution is in having a pro freedom appointed commission, which most likely will never happen. As currently they are appointed by a socialist/statist.
Sadly, the 21st Amendment gives states massive authority to regulate booze.
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
Quote from: highline on May 22, 2008, 12:58 PM NHFT
Sadly, the 21st Amendment gives states massive authority to regulate booze.
Actually, I believe that they had that authority beforehand (in the sense that the Federal government had no powers to tell them they can't do it). The reason that got written into the twenty-first amendment explicitly is to make it clear the Fedgov was only repealing
Federal prohibition powers under the eighteenth amendment, not attempting to usurp the States' powers to regulate intrastate commerce in alcohol.
Since this topic is turning toward political reform, I've
started a thread (http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/index.php?topic=773.0) on the NHLA forum to continue in this vein.
I stand corrected on the 21st amendment!
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
This is the power that was used to shut down Omega - the nightclub occupying that space before.
Quote from: Pat McCotter on May 22, 2008, 03:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
This is the power that was used to shut down Omega - the nightclub occupying that space before.
I cant say I disagree with their reasoned decision to revoke their license. That place had numerous violent incidents and was dangerous.
Quote from: highline on May 22, 2008, 03:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on May 22, 2008, 03:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
This is the power that was used to shut down Omega - the nightclub occupying that space before.
I cant say I disagree with their reasoned decision to revoke their license. That place had numerous violent incidents and was dangerous.
I didn't get my full thought in there.
The power was used to shut down an undesirable, violent club.
Then it is also used to harass a restaurant that is doing undesirable things but not being violent.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
I'm not sure the revoke licenses without cause - serving a minor is cause.
I beleive the "earlier dust-up" at Murphy's started because of a video promoting something that the proprietor asked be removed because is was attracting the wrong kind of attention to his newly opened business. Just as the same video had the potential to harm some peoples' livelihoods because we were included in a gun video when we weren't being interviewed about guns.
Quote from: Pat McCotter on May 22, 2008, 03:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
This is the power that was used to shut down Omega - the nightclub occupying that space before.
Omega deserved to be shut down. They served minors on many occasions, there were endless incidences of violence in and around the place, they weren't paying the landlord their rent, etc. IMO, closing Omega was a huge improvement for Manchester.
Whoa, dude.
I deserve to have violence used against me because I engage in a voluntary non-violent transaction of a beverage with an individual, based on the number of years that individual has walked the earth?
I deserve to have violence used against me because individuals other than myself happen to have used violence against one another near my property?
I would like to see the underlying logic behind those conclusions.
She's some republican tagging on to our movement.
Quote from: highline on May 22, 2008, 03:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on May 22, 2008, 03:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
This is the power that was used to shut down Omega - the nightclub occupying that space before.
I cant say I disagree with their reasoned decision to revoke their license. That place had numerous violent incidents and was dangerous.
The power to shut down a bar for such reasons
isn't something I'm proposing we remove from the liquor commission here. Bars promoting/allowing violence is a bit different from bars accidentally serving a few minors because the server mistook them for an adult.
Quote from: ny2nh on May 22, 2008, 05:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
I'm not sure the revoke licenses without cause - serving a minor is cause.
I beleive the "earlier dust-up" at Murphy's started because of a video promoting something that the proprietor asked be removed because is was attracting the wrong kind of attention to his newly opened business. Just as the same video had the potential to harm some peoples' livelihoods because we were included in a gun video when we weren't being interviewed about guns.
Yes, and I remember that the worry was that the "wrong kind of attention" would include the liquor commissioner who could revoke the Taproom's license.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 23, 2008, 06:01 AM NHFT
Quote from: ny2nh on May 22, 2008, 05:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
I'm not sure the revoke licenses without cause - serving a minor is cause.
I beleive the "earlier dust-up" at Murphy's started because of a video promoting something that the proprietor asked be removed because is was attracting the wrong kind of attention to his newly opened business. Just as the same video had the potential to harm some peoples' livelihoods because we were included in a gun video when we weren't being interviewed about guns.
Yes, and I remember that the worry was that the "wrong kind of attention" would include the liquor commissioner who could revoke the Taproom's license.
Interestingly, if you sell a single can of beer without the commissions tacit approval............. you could do 7 years in state prison!
Ouch.
178:1 Licenses Required; Enforceability of Contracts. –
I. No person shall manufacture for sale, or sell in any method or manner, directly or indirectly, or distribute by selling, transferring, giving, or delivering to another, or leaving, bartering, or exchanging with another, or offering or agreeing to do the same, in any method or manner, directly or indirectly, or keep for sale any liquor or beverage without first registering to do business with the secretary of state and obtaining a license for such activity under the provisions of this title.
Any violation of this section shall be a class B felony for each violation. And lets not forget, if you sell someone a beer without a liquor license and serve it draft in an empty milk bottle............ you are looking at
8 years in state prison.
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Quote from: highline on May 23, 2008, 07:01 AM NHFT
Any violation of this section shall be a class B felony for each violation.
And this means you can't legally sit around cleaning your guns!
Is tonight the Van Halen concert? Anyone planning on heading to Taproom Tuesday tonight? How far away will we have to park?
Quote from: doobie on May 27, 2008, 04:27 PM NHFT
Is tonight the Van Halen concert? Anyone planning on heading to Taproom Tuesday tonight? How far away will we have to park?
Oh darn! I didn't know Van Halen was having a concert! I've been talking about Van Halen with Rick and I've said if they ever come here I'm going, damn.
Let me know how it was please! Have fun of course too!
Quote from: doobie on May 27, 2008, 04:27 PM NHFT
Is tonight the Van Halen concert? Anyone planning on heading to Taproom Tuesday tonight? How far away will we have to park?
No, it's tomorrow.
To answer the original question, the doormen are instructed that if they should run into someone without identification, who claims to be a regular, they are to summon the manager on duty to verify that the person is indeed a regular and legally entitled to drink alcohol. A restaurant's regulars are its greatest asset, and all reasonable steps will be taken to protect them. Doormen are only on duty, currently, Thursday through Saturday nights, though they will likely be added to Tuesday nights when September rolls around and the college students return. If you come to the restaurant and feel as though you are receiving poor service from anyone, from the doormen to the servers to the bartenders, by all means ask to speak to the manager on duty, or the owner.
To answer, in a blanket fashion, the subsequent posts, the business will continue to follow the law in all respects, and will protect the substantial investment made therein by the ownership of the business, as well as the jobs of the thirty people who work here. Everyone has laws they'd like to see changed, and by all means everyone may agitate for those laws to be altered as they see fit. However, it is not reasonable to ask this business to violate or ignore the law in furtherance of anyone's agenda - regardless of the merits of said agenda. If you wish to see that happen, you are urged to pool your own funds with others willing to take the risk, ignore the law at your own personal peril, and see how that works out. Best of luck in doing so.
Keith is operating his business in a very responsible manner. His safeguards are completely reasonable and anything less would be highly questionable.
Even though I suppose I am a regular I have no objection to showing my ID every time I enter. It takes what... 5 seconds?
Quote from: RP Republican on May 31, 2008, 03:32 PM NHFT
To answer the original question, the doormen are instructed that if they should run into someone without identification, who claims to be a regular, they are to summon the manager on duty to verify that the person is indeed a regular and legally entitled to drink alcohol. A restaurant's regulars are its greatest asset, and all reasonable steps will be taken to protect them. Doormen are only on duty, currently, Thursday through Saturday nights, though they will likely be added to Tuesday nights when September rolls around and the college students return. If you come to the restaurant and feel as though you are receiving poor service from anyone, from the doormen to the servers to the bartenders, by all means ask to speak to the manager on duty, or the owner.
Thanks for the reply and clarification. That's more or less what I hoped would be the response—that if the doorman doesn't recognize me, that he'd check with one of the people who've worked there longer who will.
Quote from: highline on May 31, 2008, 03:41 PM NHFT
Even though I suppose I am a regular I have no objection to showing my ID every time I enter. It takes what... 5 seconds?
Not the point, though.
I make it a point to minimally comply with the laws I disagree with—if I comply at all with them >:D—and so I only carry my State-issued drivers license with me while driving. (I walk to Murphy's.)
I left my brand new Anarchy In Your Head stamper on an outside table last night- the 2nd one from the parking lot. There were a lot of porcs in that area when I left so I'm hoping someone picked it up. It was in a small cardboard box. Any luck? I'm going to call Murphy's and see if it's in a lost and found.
Quote from: ny2nh on May 22, 2008, 05:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on May 22, 2008, 03:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 01:22 PM NHFT
If it's not realistic to either eliminate the regulation completely, or get the "right" people onto the commission, then at least they need to be stripped of their power to revoke liquor licenses without cause. That arbitrary power is what was behind the earlier dust-up at Murphy's and seems to be what keeps everyone going out of their way to please the liquor commission.
This is the power that was used to shut down Omega - the nightclub occupying that space before.
Omega deserved to be shut down. They served minors on many occasions, there were endless incidences of violence in and around the place, they weren't paying the landlord their rent, etc. IMO, closing Omega was a huge improvement for Manchester.
Since you're against serving alcohol to people under 21 and think things should be shut down if they are too violent... please tell the Marines to send my son home from the middle east, he's 20, old enough to be invited to kill people but not old enough to drink in this state. Figure that one out.
I heard the middle east had several instances of violence too...maybe it should be shut down.
Please welcome my friend Gene, an Irishman from Las Vegas; he'll be there tonight at TT (June 24). I'm trying to persuade him to move to the Free State. He has signed the SOI. Like most of you he loves history, guns, and beer.
Mark
Cool :D
Quote from: Taxinator on June 24, 2008, 11:48 AM NHFT
Please welcome my friend Gene, an Irishman from Las Vegas; he'll be there tonight at TT (June 24). I'm trying to persuade him to move to the Free State. He has signed the SOI. Like most of you he loves history, guns, and beer.
Mark
I am tempted to get in me car right now.
Hope everyone has a great time.
Quick question....last week when I was at Murphy's during the Celtics game I was told Keith was getting flack for open carrying and he asked us not to... I thought the policy was if you are drinking don't OC. Did it change or did the person think I was drinking when I wasn't? I'm horrible with names so I don't recall who it was who said it to me.
Quote from: doobie on June 25, 2008, 02:33 PM NHFT
Quick question....last week when I was at Murphy's during the Celtics game I was told Keith was getting flack for open carrying and he asked us not to...
I know it's not my place to say, but it would be nice if Keith manned-up and told the whiners: the Law is the Law ;D OC that is. Or, he could tell them that the OCers are his bouncers--as in he could give anyone who OCs a sticker signifying security. That should shut the whiners up...
Quote from: doobie on June 25, 2008, 02:33 PM NHFT
Quick question....last week when I was at Murphy's during the Celtics game I was told Keith was getting flack for open carrying and he asked us not to... I thought the policy was if you are drinking don't OC. Did it change or did the person think I was drinking when I wasn't? I'm horrible with names so I don't recall who it was who said it to me.
That's the same as I thought. I haven't heard anything's changed.
I'll be stopping by on the 15th on my way to Burning Porc.
Cheers!
Quote from: IthacaLA on July 08, 2008, 07:40 AM NHFT
I'll be stopping by on the 15th on my way to Burning Porc.
Nice avatar!
Do I have you on the 'who's coming to burning porcupine' list?
Quote from: doobie on June 25, 2008, 02:33 PM NHFT
Quick question....last week when I was at Murphy's during the Celtics game I was told Keith was getting flack for open carrying and he asked us not to... I thought the policy was if you are drinking don't OC. Did it change or did the person think I was drinking when I wasn't? I'm horrible with names so I don't recall who it was who said it to me.
Why don;t you just ask Keith in person when you;re there next? He's usually there on Tuesday nights.
Quote from: ny2nh on July 08, 2008, 08:53 AM NHFT
Quote from: doobie on June 25, 2008, 02:33 PM NHFT
Quick question....last week when I was at Murphy's during the Celtics game I was told Keith was getting flack for open carrying and he asked us not to... I thought the policy was if you are drinking don't OC. Did it change or did the person think I was drinking when I wasn't? I'm horrible with names so I don't recall who it was who said it to me.
Why don;t you just ask Keith in person when you;re there next? He's usually there on Tuesday nights.
I will next time I see him. I was just trying to figure out before I went next time. I don't usually like going from CC to OC in public.
Quote from: doobie on July 08, 2008, 11:43 AM NHFT
Quote from: ny2nh on July 08, 2008, 08:53 AM NHFT
Quote from: doobie on June 25, 2008, 02:33 PM NHFT
Quick question....last week when I was at Murphy's during the Celtics game I was told Keith was getting flack for open carrying and he asked us not to... I thought the policy was if you are drinking don't OC. Did it change or did the person think I was drinking when I wasn't? I'm horrible with names so I don't recall who it was who said it to me.
Why don;t you just ask Keith in person when you;re there next? He's usually there on Tuesday nights.
I will next time I see him. I was just trying to figure out before I went next time. I don't usually like going from CC to OC in public.
In Virginia, when you go into a restaurant/bar that serves alcohol, you have to carry open, or not at all - and you cannot drink alcohol.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 08, 2008, 08:29 AM NHFT
Do I have you on the 'who's coming to burning porcupine' list?
Oh NO, you guys are keeping lists! ;D
No, I just realized it was going on and I'll have a day or two to play. See you next week.
Quote from: highline on May 31, 2008, 03:41 PM NHFT
Even though I suppose I am a regular I have no objection to showing my ID every time I enter. It takes what... 5 seconds?
or forever if you don't have one
Quote from: Taxinator on June 24, 2008, 11:48 AM NHFTLike most of you he loves history, guns, and beer.
Mark
I don't like history .... it keeps repeating itself
guns or beer.
But I bet I will like this guy ... if I don't have anything in common with him, I can have PatK interpret for me.
Libertarian Party presidential candidate Bob Barr will be at Taproom Tuesday tonight.
I thought he was dead.
Ded to me!
I helped interviewed Bob Barr at the Republican National Convention in Philadelphia in 2000. He told us "I am not a Libertarian."
That would be something to ask him about.
I his defence, he was consistent in his positions and I really enjoyed his stand on the Echelon/Intelligence stuff. Also, he was nice to us even after it became evident that the producer I was working for had tricked his handler into the interview... basically an ambush. In fact his handler was really pissed off and was making threats to us, Bob stepped in and said "leave them alone." and made polite comments as he left.
I'm no Barr fan. He's a politician after all. He's a lot better than most, not that that means much to me. I would have to say that he answered the questions pretty well considering a pretty hostile crowd, or parts of it at least. I was just there as an observer of the comical game of politics. However, I am a big fan of open information and free speech, and I gave him an opportunity to speak to anarchists given that many of them remain politically active, and promised I would post the video on my blog unedited, and I intend to do that. I just look at it as providing information. It's definitely not an endorsement and it won't protect him from being made fun of in some future comic. >:D
Quote from: dalebert on July 24, 2008, 01:31 PM NHFT
I'm no Barr fan. He's a politician after all. He's a lot better than most, not that that means much to me. I would have to say that he answered the questions pretty well considering a pretty hostile crowd, or parts of it at least. I was just there as an observer of the comical game of politics. However, I am a big fan of open information and free speech, and I gave him an opportunity to speak to anarchists given that many of them remain politically active, and promised I would post the video on my blog unedited, and I intend to do that. I just look at it as providing information. It's definitely not an endorsement and it won't protect him from being made fun of in some future comic. >:D
Most of it was empty rhetoric. He's learned how to
speak like a libertarian, surely.
The only thing I remember him saying that was potentially interesting was an idea to sunset Title 18 of the USC (the fedgov criminal code), which he said defines something like 4,000 offenses.
Quote from: dalebert on July 24, 2008, 01:31 PM NHFT
I'm no Barr fan. He's a politician after all. He's a lot better than most, not that that means much to me. I would have to say that he answered the questions pretty well considering a pretty hostile crowd, or parts of it at least. I was just there as an observer of the comical game of politics. However, I am a big fan of open information and free speech, and I gave him an opportunity to speak to anarchists given that many of them remain politically active, and promised I would post the video on my blog unedited, and I intend to do that. I just look at it as providing information. It's definitely not an endorsement and it won't protect him from being made fun of in some future comic. >:D
mind if i use your bob barr vid?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on July 29, 2008, 11:02 PM NHFT
mind if i use your bob barr vid?
I'm posting it to YouTube myself under the AnarchyInYourHead account and embedding it in my blog, but I don't mind if you use it too. All I ask is that you mention that the full vid is posted on my website and post a link and give a plug. I'm uploading it to YouTube now. What's the best way to get the footage to you?
i will be there tonight, with the oldest baby. this time i mean it!
Please welcome Keith and Susan from Pennsylvania; they'll be at TT on October 7th. They are seriously thinking about moving here. We need to make them feel welcome and help convince Susan that it's the right thing to do!
Quote from: Taxinator on October 06, 2008, 08:14 PM NHFT
Please welcome Keith and Susan from Pennsylvania; they'll be at TT on October 7th. They are seriously thinking about moving here. We need to make them feel welcome and help convince Susan that it's the right thing to do!
As if we ever wouldn't make someone feel welcome?! :)
Quote from: error on October 06, 2008, 08:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: Taxinator on October 06, 2008, 08:14 PM NHFT
Please welcome Keith and Susan from Pennsylvania; they'll be at TT on October 7th. They are seriously thinking about moving here. We need to make them feel welcome and help convince Susan that it's the right thing to do!
As if we ever wouldn't make someone feel welcome?! :)
Just Mackler. :)
Quote from: error on October 06, 2008, 08:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: Taxinator on October 06, 2008, 08:14 PM NHFT
Please welcome Keith and Susan from Pennsylvania; they'll be at TT on October 7th. They are seriously thinking about moving here. We need to make them feel welcome and help convince Susan that it's the right thing to do!
As if we ever wouldn't make someone feel welcome?! :)
that's one thing you guys are good at!
Alert: Watch your credit card receipts from Murphy's!
In the 2 months I've lived here - and I've gone to Taproom Tuesdays every week, I think - I've already had 2 experiences where a tip was added to my credit card when I did not add a tip to my credit card.
I don't want to open a discussion about when it's appropriate to tip on credit cards vs. cash or whether it's alright not to tip at all. I just want to suggest that it might be a good idea to keep an eye on your credit card receipts from Murphy's.
This time the server's name on the receipt is Vanessa, but I don't remember the server's name from the previous time. Last time, I asked Keith for my money back and he obliged. I will ask him for my money back this time as well, and it will be the last time I use a credit card at Murphy's.
I prefer to tip in cash when I can, even when I pay with a card. I always put a slash through the tip line and then write in the total on the bottom line. Seems like it would be hard to alter that convincingly but I'll check. Thanx for the "tip".
Quote from: dalebert on October 22, 2008, 08:40 AM NHFT
I prefer to tip in cash when I can, even when I pay with a card.
That's an example of when I think you should be careful. You tip with cash, but they could add an additional tip to your credit card - maybe they never got the cash tip, or maybe they thought it wasn't enough, or maybe they're just stealing from you.
Quote from: dalebert on October 22, 2008, 08:40 AM NHFTI always put a slash through the tip line and then write in the total on the bottom line. Seems like it would be hard to alter that convincingly but I'll check. Thanx for the "tip".
After my first incident (where I did write in "0" (zero) on the tip line), I started additionally writing a slash through the rest of the tip line so an amount couldn't be added to the zero. I'm not sure if I had done this with the receipt from the 2nd incident, so I will be interested to see the receipt that Keith pulls!
I usually tip like Dale if I use a credit card. Hmm, thanks for the tip.
Keith
Quote from: Mike Barskey on October 22, 2008, 08:46 AM NHFT
After my first incident (where I did write in "0" (zero) on the tip line), I started additionally writing a slash through the rest of the tip line so an amount couldn't be added to the zero. I'm not sure if I had done this with the receipt from the 2nd incident, so I will be interested to see the receipt that Keith pulls!
Good to know. Thanks for the warning.
Partly because the North American Secessionist Convention is coming to Manchester this weekend, partly because I need an excuse to drink more, and partly because some people can't make it on Tuesdays, I'm restarting Freedom Fridays, beginning this Friday, from 5 to 9 pm. You still get $2 drafts, and if you come out this weekend, you'll get to meet secessionists from all over the country. Or is it the world.
Quote from: error on November 13, 2008, 10:51 PM NHFT
Partly because the North American Secessionist Convention is coming to Manchester this weekend, partly because I need an excuse to drink more, and partly because some people can't make it on Tuesdays, I'm restarting Freedom Fridays, beginning this Friday, from 5 to 9 pm. You still get $2 drafts, and if you come out this weekend, you'll get to meet secessionists from all over the country. Or is it the world.
I'll be joining you on Friday 11/28.
Quote from: MengerFan on November 14, 2008, 01:25 AM NHFT
Quote from: error on November 13, 2008, 10:51 PM NHFT
Partly because the North American Secessionist Convention is coming to Manchester this weekend, partly because I need an excuse to drink more, and partly because some people can't make it on Tuesdays, I'm restarting Freedom Fridays, beginning this Friday, from 5 to 9 pm. You still get $2 drafts, and if you come out this weekend, you'll get to meet secessionists from all over the country. Or is it the world.
I'll be joining you on Friday 11/28.
Sweet! It's definitely going to be a party that night!
Quote from: error on November 13, 2008, 10:51 PM NHFT
Partly because the North American Secessionist Convention is coming to Manchester this weekend, partly because I need an excuse to drink more, and partly because some people can't make it on Tuesdays, I'm restarting Freedom Fridays, beginning this Friday, from 5 to 9 pm. You still get $2 drafts, and if you come out this weekend, you'll get to meet secessionists from all over the country. Or is it the world.
I'm unclear as to why you're saying secessionists from all over the country will be at Murphy's from 5 to 9, when the event schedule indicates that convention attendees will be at the Radisson bar at the same time? Have you been in contact with Mr. Sale and he said he would encourage attendees to go to Murphy's instead?
No, I am encouraging certain attendees to go to Murphy's instead. :)
I'm hoping a plan will simply materialize this Taproom Tuesday for a carpool trip to protest outside Ian's captors. Maybe as early as Wednesday.
It's a pain, but it ought to be during the day, during the workweek, because that's when he's captors will be present.
Beg and borrow a pitchfork off someone for whenever day we decide to go.
Any of the Keene folk coming out to Taproom tonight?
Only way to find out is to be there. Which I couldn't tonight due to being too sick to get out of bed. I still am. BLAH. See you all next week.
Quote from: error on December 09, 2008, 11:45 PM NHFT
Only way to find out is to be there. Which I couldn't tonight due to being too sick to get out of bed. I still am. BLAH. See you all next week.
I hope you feel better! :)
We'll be there tonight!
Taproom was really wonderful last night. I had super good service and got to talk to a whole bunch of folks (Brooke, Will, the FSP president, the FSP founder, several cute girls, and dozens more folks). Anyone who wasn't there missed out. It was great to see the folks from Keene!
I'll be at Murphy's tonight, can't wait to meet more liberty lovers!
That's wonderful. Make sure to talk to Will and Brooke. That way, I can ask them who you are and introduce myself.
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on December 23, 2008, 09:58 AM NHFT
That's wonderful. Make sure to talk to Will and Brooke. That way, I can ask them who you are and introduce myself.
They already know me :P
I'm Joe from RI, err make that Keene
I'll be there tonight. Just moved to NH.
Quote from: Organjic on December 23, 2008, 10:39 AM NHFT
I'm Joe from RI, err make that Keene
You came up to help build Lauren and Jim's place?
Quote from: Organjic on December 23, 2008, 10:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on December 23, 2008, 09:58 AM NHFT
That's wonderful. Make sure to talk to Will and Brooke. That way, I can ask them who you are and introduce myself.
They already know me :P
I'm Joe from RI, err make that Keene
Quote from: Nautical Journal on December 23, 2008, 03:09 PM NHFT
I'll be there tonight. Just moved to NH.
Nice to have met both of you tonight!
Not even snow and ice storms will stop us!
Nice to meet those that I had a chance to, look forward to meeting more of you.
I had a blast last night. BLASTED! I sobered up before I drove :)
Quote from: error on December 24, 2008, 06:23 AM NHFT
Not even snow and ice storms will stop us!
But it wasn't snowing, and there was no ice. :P
2 new movers with Joe and Roy, plus Will and Brooke. We're growing and gaining on the statists . . .
Some rude patrons were tapping on our shoulders, asking us to move out of the way so they could watch some stupid game (football, I think -- maybe basketball or maybe hockey . . . hmm, Tuesday, must not be football . . . oh, yeah, the Celtics -- a team from Taxachusetts).... This is why we should either exclude the unenlightened from our side of the building, or just roll up the big screen and turn off the TV.
Quote from: Taxinator on December 24, 2008, 10:10 PM NHFT
Some rude patrons were tapping on our shoulders, asking us to move out of the way so they could watch some stupid game (football, I think -- maybe basketball or maybe hockey . . . hmm, Tuesday, must not be football . . . oh, yeah, the Celtics -- a team from Taxachusetts).... This is why we should either exclude the unenlightened from our side of the building, or just roll up the big screen and turn off the TV.
I wish there was a Mises channel we could put on the big screen. Graphs and charts and pictures of old Ludwig would keep the riffraff out of "our" territory ;)
[Of course the bar has to try to accommodate ALL its patrons. We should just do a better job of filling that area with paying customers so "our" seats don't get taken by "outsiders".]
Quote from: Taxinator on December 24, 2008, 10:10 PM NHFT
2 new movers with Joe and Roy, plus Will and Brooke. We're growing and gaining on the statists . . .
Adam (Nautical Journal) was also there.
Quoteor just roll up the big screen and turn off the TV.
Yes, please.
Quote from: Jennifer on December 25, 2008, 10:02 AM NHFT
Adam (Nautical Journal) was also there.
Oh, that makes sense now. Thanks for putting that together for me.
It was nice meeting all 3 new guys.
Quote from: Ron Helwig on December 25, 2008, 08:00 AM NHFT
I wish there was a Mises channel we could put on the big screen. Graphs and charts and pictures of old Ludwig would keep the riffraff out of "our" territory ;)
There's video out there:
http://mises.org/media.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/user/misesmedia
http://www.ideachannel.tv/
ideachannel.tv has Milton Friedman's 'Free to Choose' series for free. I don't know if the Taproom already has a way to show videos from a computer on the big screen; but it might be a worthwhile thing to do.
Those people who end up sitting on the 'social' side of the room might get an inadvertent dose of liberty economics, an idea I like very much. :)
The problem is that a lot of those programs are very audio-oriented; and the room is loud enough as it is. Even I don't want to have economic lectures booming at me and drowning out all other conversation.
I don't know what the proprietors of the establishment think of the idea. It might turn off some other customers; but they have the TVs on the other side of the room to provide their sports.
Can anyone suggest a very visually-oriented program that shows rather than tells its economic points? Perhaps something with closed-captioning would be sufficient.
I've not yet seen an episode of Free Minds TV; but perhaps they could contribute something.
Perhaps we could try this one or two nights; and see what people think.
I'm considering making Taproom Tuesday business cards. I hand out LibertyForum cards to everyone that approaches me about my RonPaul stickers, or the open carry. Then I explain to them about Taproom.
If you were a life long lonely liberty oriented resident that's becoming more and more scared of your "liberalizing" neighbors: wouldn't you want to know about TT?
I think promoting TT to a wider audience helps the FSP, the NHLA, and the liberty movement in NH.
. o O ( so just do it, Dan... )
Or make a card with the Tuesday, Wednesday, and Sunday events. Or cards for each event. Or cards with a link to the NHLiberty Calendar. Or cards which mention TT and have a link to the NHLiberty Calendar.
Quote from: Ron Helwig on December 25, 2008, 08:00 AM NHFT
Can anyone suggest a very visually-oriented program that shows rather than tells its economic points? Perhaps something with closed-captioning would be sufficient.
ISIL's Philosophy of Liberty stick figure presentation is a classic: http://isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-english.swf (http://isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-english.swf)
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on December 25, 2008, 11:16 AM NHFT
Quote from: Jennifer on December 25, 2008, 10:02 AM NHFT
Adam (Nautical Journal) was also there.
Oh, that makes sense now. Thanks for putting that together for me.
It was nice meeting all 3 new guys.
Yes I was there. I will be there again tonight. Trying to get my father to tag along.
Another great Taproom last night. In the almost 6 hours I was there I had fantastic service, talked to people from all over the state (including new people and pretty girls), and even talked to a left libertarian for 30 min.
The service was fantastic as I got that guy who is new to the Taproom Tuesday crowd again - the one who gives overly good service. Unfortunately, all of my mussels were not completely cooked and when I brought it up to the waiter he went to see what he could do about it. He suggested 25% off and that seemed fair. He came back later and said I'll get 50% off. He only made 1 mistake all night at my table (which cost me around 60 cents) but I was happy with the service (and since I took a seat for around 6 hours) I tipped over 40%.
Heads up for tonight: the back room was reserved for a group function from 6:30-7:30 pm, and a company has reserved 40 seats in the front room from 6-7:30 pm. That means that except for the booth seats, the entire dining room will be unavailable early on. If you arrive before 7:30 tonight, please utilize either the booths or the bar side tables. This is an unusual occurrence, one that is good for the business but may have some short-term impact on seating availability for regular guests. Thanks.
I have errands to run in Manch tonight so if anyone wants to carpool from Keene to Taproom, let me know. Tim is one passenger meaning there are two uncomfortable seats left in the back of the Skittlemobile. Gas contributions are appreciated but not required.
Oh, and we will not be staying very late. Tim and some other Keeniacs start feeling stressed out when it gets crowded and noisy and besides that, I need to pick up some rats at a reasonable hour before heading back. If you have a rat phobia, do not ride along or there will be... issues. It'll be chaos like that movie Snakes on a Plane!
Tuesday March 17 will be a busy night for sure at Murphy's for St. Patrick's Day. The regular TT group may get split up and spread out if Irish revelers get there early and fill up the tables.
Is there any alternative li-beer-tarian gathering going on? I'm thinking about hosting one at my place. It's late notice. I may throw something up on FaceBook tomorrow.
I'd love to hang out at your place! :)
You could throw up an event anytime. It takes 5 mins or so to create an event and invite everyone. Some people check facebook once a day or less so they may not get the notice. I'll likely get it, though :)
Just curious if others have been denied alcohol for concealed carrying at Murphy's ? I was denied tonight and last week. Last week the waitress saw the bottom of my holster and asked if I was carrying, which was covered by my shirt. This week I carried concealed with my CCW holster and was ask if I was carrying. I answered in the affirmative that I was concealed carrying, and was denied alcohol again. My understanding was that if you where open carrying then you would not be served, but concealed carrying was alright as long as you are licensed to carry, of course?
Quote from: djbridgeland on June 24, 2009, 12:25 AM NHFT
Just curious if others have been denied alcohol for concealed carrying at Murphy's ? I was denied tonight and last week. Last week the waitress saw the bottom of my holster and asked if I was carrying, which was covered by my shirt. This week I carried concealed with my CCW holster and was ask if I was carrying. I answered in the affirmative that I was concealed carrying, and was denied alcohol again. My understanding was that if you where open carrying then you would not be served, but concealed carrying was alright as long as you are licensed to carry, of course?
That was my understanding as well.
of course that's the business owner's choice. I also believe it's common sense not to get retardedly drunk while carrying.
but I think someone carrying a gun can have a few drinks. If I drank or carried I probably wouldn't bring my business there.
Quote from: djbridgeland on June 24, 2009, 12:25 AM NHFT
Just curious if others have been denied alcohol for concealed carrying at Murphy's ? I was denied tonight and last week. Last week the waitress saw the bottom of my holster and asked if I was carrying, which was covered by my shirt. This week I carried concealed with my CCW holster and was ask if I was carrying. I answered in the affirmative that I was concealed carrying, and was denied alcohol again. My understanding was that if you where open carrying then you would not be served, but concealed carrying was alright as long as you are licensed to carry, of course?
I don't want to get too granular here, but if they can tell that you're carrying then you aren't really carrying concealed. What kind of rig are you using?
I can't find where Keith posted the policy......I'll look some more. My understanding was that alcohol would not be served to anyone carrying - open or concealed. Of course, if you are truly concealing your gun, the server would never know. I know there has been at least once incident involving someone carrying who was intoxicated and had their gun out, dropped the magazine in the street, etc. That incident may have triggered a stricter enforcement of not serving anyone who is carrying.
Quote from: ny2nh on June 24, 2009, 06:36 AM NHFT
I can't find where Keith posted the policy......I'll look some more. My understanding was that alcohol would not be served to anyone carrying - open or concealed.
I specifically remember it being OC only, because the whole controversy stemmed from other patrons seeing people OCing and drinking and getting nervous about it. The policy has never been posted anywhere because Keith was trying to keep the whole situation quiet.
As for CC, it was more along the lines of, "don't ask, don't tell." The wait staff should
not be asking customers if they're carrying. (Of course, if you're CCing, actually conceal it, don't just cover it up with your shirt like Dan did the first time...)
Makes you wonder how people used to drink when everyone carried a gun.
Quote from: AntonLee on June 24, 2009, 01:14 PM NHFT
Makes you wonder how people used to drink when everyone carried a gun.
Gun check at the door.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on June 24, 2009, 01:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on June 24, 2009, 01:14 PM NHFT
Makes you wonder how people used to drink when everyone carried a gun.
Gun check at the door.
Yep.
Also important is a recognition among the gun carriers that personal responsibility is key in the right to self defense as opposed to an act of aggression. No one needs to feel threatened by your sidearm if you are handling it and yourself in a responsible manner. If you stop behaving in a way that keeps those around you safe, it is the responsibility of those people to take appropriate action.
Simply applying social pressure to check your gun before drinking (or checking your keys for the same reason) keeps government out of the equation. Responsibility preserves liberty and negates the call of the citizens for government controls and police protection (however misguided such a call might be).
Quote from: liftsboxes on June 24, 2009, 01:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on June 24, 2009, 01:19 PM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on June 24, 2009, 01:14 PM NHFT
Makes you wonder how people used to drink when everyone carried a gun.
Gun check at the door.
Yep.
Also important is a recognition among the gun carriers that personal responsibility is key in the right to self defense as opposed to an act of aggression. No one needs to feel threatened by your sidearm if you are handling it and yourself in a responsible manner. If you stop behaving in a way that keeps those around you safe, it is the responsibility of those people to take appropriate action.
Simply applying social pressure to check your gun before drinking (or checking your keys for the same reason) keeps government out of the equation. Responsibility preserves liberty and negates the call of the citizens for government controls and police protection (however misguided such a call might be).
:clap:
I'm headed there tonight.
Come out tonight (Aug. 31) and welcome visitors Sharon and Bill. They plan to move to NH next year.
Oh yes, we're still at it, even though I've forgotten to update the calendar here in... forever. Sorry! I've pretty much moved to a Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=222661360495).
To answer the above question, which I've just seen, the policy is this:
If you are carrying a firearm, and observed to be doing so by the staff, you will not be served alcohol. The rationale is that before this rule was instituted, there were several complaints from the public-at-large about being uncomfortable around people drinking while obviously carrying. Those complaints were not immediately acted upon, and then a heavily intoxicated woman pulled out a firearm and dropped her clip on Elm Street.
Initially, there was just the perception of unsafe behavior. Then, there was actually unsafe behavior, and something had to be done to prevent that sort of thing from ever happening again.
If you are carrying concealed, no one will know (neither staff nor customers). However, you are not concealing your firearm if you pull up your shirt and display it to servers or customers.
:)
we have such a mix of really responsible people and really goofy ones that circle in our groups
I was harassed by police one evening outside of Murphy's Taproom.
They kind of made me unnerved. I was scared and feeling vulernable. Once released from the police, I asked the waitstaff if I could sit inside for 10 minutes while my ride came. I was told "No."
I don't expect any bar or establishment to provide me safe haven... But if a Free Stater can't offer it, I see no reason to attend Murphy's Taproom over another business like Milly's that has better beer specials.
Thanks to the ManchVegas events on Friday, Murphy's Taproom has lost my business for good. I'm happy to see a Free Stater's business do well (and yay for you Keith, for employing Free Staters to build the deck!) but because I've been told frankly that I'm "just another customer", I will not patronize Taproom over another business with better beer and cheaper prices.
And that's not even getting into bouncers and kicking out my friends.
Quote from: Kevin Freeheart on September 19, 2010, 09:45 PM NHFT
"just another customer..."
Glad you said that. Freestater owned or not, I don't find places memorable for making me feel like "just another customer". I really believe in the service industries of today you have to go out of your way to make people feel truly like their guests, like someone they're absolutely glad and wouldn't think otherwise than to go above and beyond to make your experience with them so good that you couldn't think of patronizing another place.
There's too much competition, not enough in my opinion. Places that would serve you food and not serve you the fun and welcoming experience wouldn't survive except for those that wanted to feel like they should have kept their money and made themselves dinner at home.
A while back a guy who was very welcoming to me in the FSP, as I remember, was given some sort of inflated menu due to the fact that he didn't give tips to waitresses. I don't share that idea of not tipping waitresses. What was offensive to me is that I definitely don't share the idea that giving your customers inflated priced menus is a policy that makes one feel "welcoming" or "a valued customer", nor do I feel that it's some great way to make that customer change their mind about tipping. When I first learned about tipping as a young one, I learned that it was extra money given to someone for superior service. If that person went above and beyond for you, making sure you had everything you needed, if they used their talent or craft to give you the great experience. . . you gave them extra as a way of encouraging them to continue doing that everytime you come in. My fiance survives on tips, she gets them for providing a superior service in hairstyling. She makes sure she gives you not only what you're paying good money for, but also gives you tips on how to style your hair, what products to use, provides great conversation. When she gets stiffed, she recognizes the need for her to make the extra effort or to try something different to win that customer's undying satisfaction. She doesn't run to her boss and complain about how these people come in with sweaty, dirty hair, ask for a wash, color, blowdry, and gel and gave her nothing, thus asking her boss to raise prices for these people that weren't "wowed" or didn't believe in it. That's not the way to win 'hearts and minds' or am I out of line?
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And that's not even getting into bouncers and kicking out my friends.
Even though he's told me not to boycott on his behalf, and I haven't, I've not found a good enough reason to find myself back at that establishment. After a while I've been tempted, and then heard various rumors about it being the place that "freakstaters" hang out at (which made me want to go, since these "freakstaters" were people like Russell and Kat, Brian Travis, etc who were labeled such for sticking up for themselves or protecting their property- heaven fucking forbid) and stories about how it was the non "freakstaters" hangout (which solidified my reasoning to find something else to do on Tuesdays). I wasn't into the infighting, and I'm still not. I went to the establishment from my home in another state in order to spend my money with a Free-Stater. I would have probably never stepped into that place if not for their FSP connection. If I had been even a little bit impressed with the food and experience I would have returned based simply on the same fact that it was spending my money with a FreeStater. After the actions of kicking out a person I'm happy to be acquaintances with, I've not been given a good enough reason to overcome that and go out of my way to spend money there.
I will post only to say that I certainly respect anyone's right to patronize any establishment they wish. If that place is Milly's, then by all means go and enjoy. I also enjoy a night out from time to time, and I recommend Strange Brew for a solid burger and a good beer selection. I am competitive, but not so much so that I can only trash talk my competition. Mitch at the Brew is a terrific bar owner; he has my respect.
Doormen are a necessary part of doing business in the bar industry. Perhaps not when you only have 60-90 seats, but the Taproom is now a 650+ facility. When it's busy, they're necessary to head off fights and other sorts of nasty trouble, as well as to prevent the horde of under-21 people who are always attempting to gain entrance illegally. With the colder weather, the Taproom now only has doormen on Friday and Saturday nights, just as has been the case for the past three years. The rest of the week, the bartenders and servers card at the tables. Milly's has doormen, as does JW Hill's and Strange Brew and the Black Brimmer. It comes with the industry, and for good reason.
Kevin, I do not know who told you that you are "just another customer," and wouldn't let you stop in for a few minutes post-encounter. If you can describe that person, either by name or appearance, it will be made extremely clear that this was unacceptable. Barring that, all we can do is let the entire staff know as a matter of general policy. However, there are certain instances that we cannot let people into the restaurant, such as someone who is intoxicated. I have to assume that wasn't the case here.
I will not address the issue of the customer who was asked to not return. That is between that person and the business, and unless a customer chooses to air dirty laundry in public, we will respect the privacy of that person by not delving into it here. The Taproom uses the "ban" tool far less than most comparable restaurants, and unlike most we will reconsider given some time and a sincere belief that the problem is resolved.
Finally, no one has ever, ever been given a menu with inflated prices upon it. A customer once suggested that we make such a menu available, building in the cost of service, in response to a customer who, regardless of how great the service was, made it a policy to never, ever tip. But that menu was never seriously discussed, let alone printed.
Managing a 650+ facility with a staff of 75 constantly changing employees is not easy, folks. There will be from time to time some issues that need to be fixed. However, those who have brought their complaints forward and informed management have seen that we do everything in our power to make it right. If you have a problem, do not hesitate to contact us. Your feedback is invaluable.
Again, it is your right in a (somewhat) free marketplace to vote with your dollars, and I respect your choice. But I don't see the managers of Milly's or Hill's or the Brew bothering to post on here, do you? And if you think for an instant that the ownership of those establishments would tolerate drunk people dropping gun magazines in front of their businesses, and never have bouncers, and would never ban people for certain behavior, and would allow the same customer to never, ever tip even after fine service... then you should absolutely try those other establishments and see how that works out. I wish you well.
Quote from: Rearden on September 28, 2010, 12:57 AM NHFT
Doormen are a necessary part of doing business in the bar industry. Perhaps not when you only have 60-90 seats, but the Taproom is now a 650+ facility. When it's busy, they're necessary to head off fights and other sorts of nasty trouble, as well as to prevent the horde of under-21 people who are always attempting to gain entrance illegally.
Why is it illegal for under-21 to enter a restaurant?
QuoteI also enjoy a night out from time to time, and I recommend Strange Brew for a solid burger and a good beer selection.
The beat-down by 'roid-raging off duty MPD officers comes with no extra charge.
It is not illegal for under-21s to enter a restaurant, and they are welcome at the Taproom up until 9 pm - which is when the doormen generally come on duty. On the rare day they start before that time, they will not card until 9 pm.
We do not allow people under 21 in the restaurant after 9 pm because when its very very busy the chances of someone not allowed to legally drink getting alcohol go up substantially, and we'd rather reduce that possibility at the door. When people are piled four deep at the bar waving money for drinks, I don't want the bartenders carding the customers, I want them making drinks. And when someone under 21 goes out to a bar at 11 pm on a Saturday, they're generally going to try to drink illegally - endangering our liquor license in the process.
No comment on the Strange Brew remark, other than to say that they make a good burger and have a good beer selection. I recommend it over Milly's, which is probably one of the most fight-prone bars in the city. I guess it's an open question: would you rather be knifed by some gang thug at Milly's or beat up at the Brew or shot at TJ's? (That just happened two days ago, btw.)
Quote from: Rearden on September 28, 2010, 12:57 AM NHFTMilly's has doormen, as does JW Hill's and Strange Brew and the Black Brimmer. It comes with the industry, and for good reason.
Not saying anything against private security (since I think private security is a good idea), but I've never seen such at Milly's. Granted, I only go there about half a dozen times a year, so it's not a statistical set, but I also only go on Friday evenings, so that would seem to be a time when they would use them, if they did.
Never seen a fight there, either, but I tend to leave my 10:00 or so, so maybe they happen after that.
Joe
Joe, I'm genuinely astonished at that. I will definitely look into it. Perhaps they don't come on until later, but they should definitely be using them on Friday nights.
A good reason why very busy bars use doormen is that if a given business generates a lot of police calls the city will force them to hire a police detail on certain nights. Milly's is known to have those sorts of issues regularly, and I'm shocked if they don't use doormen because they would seem to be at risk for incurring that expense. I'd much rather pay a doorman $10 per hour than be forced to hire an officer at $50 per hour.
Dunno. Like I said, it's not a statistical set. Or maybe they have some other methodology, at the bar itself (card someone once, and give them an wristband, or something?).
Joe
Quote from: Rearden on September 28, 2010, 08:02 AM NHFT
It is not illegal for under-21s to enter a restaurant, and they are welcome at the Taproom up until 9 pm - which is when the doormen generally come on duty. On the rare day they start before that time, they will not card until 9 pm.
We do not allow people under 21 in the restaurant after 9 pm because when its very very busy the chances of someone not allowed to legally drink getting alcohol go up substantially, and we'd rather reduce that possibility at the door.
Thanks, I was just trying to get clarification of your earlier remark that "under-21 people who are always attempting to gain entrance illegally." They're not trying to gain entrance
illegally, just against your policy. And that policy is fine, but it's not the law.
The Taproom is hosting a Porc Night next Tuesday, November 30th, at 7 pm in the back room. Appetizers and drinks will be provided. The purpose is to provide people a chance to tell the owner what they like and don't like about the business, ask questions, and seek resolution to any outstanding issues. We hope that many can attend! Happy Thanksgiving, folks.
Keith - you should put this on FB.....not sure how many people will see the invite here.
Is this still happening?
As far as I know it still is. Every Tuesday that I've been to Manchester for years now it has happened. Perhaps ask people in Manchester, though. You likely know dozens by now :) Especially if you have been to one of the weekly or monthly events there.
Quote from: Fluff and Stuff on May 01, 2011, 09:07 AM NHFTEspecially if you have been to one of the weekly or monthly events there.
Nope, haven't hit either of those yet. That's why I'm asking.
Yes, it is very much going on. I make it there once every few months.
When my wife and I went to the Merrimack Valley Porc meeting (1st Saturday) for the first time in over a year, some newbies thought we were newbies. ;D
Quote from: toowm on May 01, 2011, 02:28 PM NHFT
Yes, it is very much going on. I make it there once every few months.
Good. Thank you. It's only two miles from where I'm boarding, so I guess I'll walk.
Just to confirm, still 6pm?
QuoteWhen my wife and I went to the Merrimack Valley Porc meeting (1st Saturday) for the first time in over a year, some newbies thought we were newbies. ;D
That one is already marked for this Saturday.
I might actually be at the next one.
Quote from: CurtHowland on May 01, 2011, 02:44 PM NHFT
Just to confirm, still 6pm?
It's ambiguous. When I go, I usually try to get there a little before 6pm because the appetizers are half price between 4 and 6. There seem to be a few others who have the same idea.
newbies :)
Half priced apps before 6pm and $2 drafts all day.
Some people arrive as soon as 4 and trickle in until around 8pm. Anytime in there you'll usually find someone to chat with. Of course, the deck is open now and the weather is awesome. :)