Hi All,
I've recently received some personal threats by someone who claims to actually have physical access to my current physical location.
I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to have a bodyguard(that has and is willing to use superior defense force, preferably lethal) since I am being actively threatened.
This is an immediate position and it will pay $20 for the first hour and $10 for every hour after that.
Again, I want to emphasize that this person has threatened me and is actively attempting to acquire a firearm so I would prefer someone that utilizes both a sidearm and a long arm(scattergun is ok).
This may also involve some "mobile" time and several different physical locations.
Holy shit . . . :o
Come on, please every one can we not turn this into a
Jerry Springer episode.
Everyone take a deep breath.
The free market at work...
Ain't It Cool Man!
Enjoy!
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Quote from: GalacticDefenseNotice on November 04, 2007, 04:45 AM NHFT
I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to have a bodyguard(that has and is willing to use superior defense force, preferably lethal) since I am being actively threatened.
What an asshole.
Now you're threatening Beth221? Scaring Ivy out of her wits wasn't good enough for you?
What a MAN! ROB I shake in your presence!
He is now threatening me, he needs a body guard from little old me?
HAH!
All I said to him, was if he doesn't move out, I was gonna bash his teeth out, lol. I didnt say I was going to kill him or anything!
Apparently, I scared him!
I fucking love it!
Rob, thanks for making me smile!
oh, and one more thing, I never threatened lethal force on Rob, like he is me.
Can we vote out a free stater??
yet another thing. Yes I have access to his "physical location" HE GAVE ME THE KEYS!!
*sigh*
Er, seeing as I like everyone involved here, can we keep gun play out of this?
It's amazing I even have to type that.
Everyone that is worked up got to know each other because in the past they were all trying to help each other out. Please remember that past.
I have no idea what's going on here.
Quote from: Puke on November 04, 2007, 11:18 AM NHFT
I have no idea what's going on here.
you are better off..
Quote from: Beth221 on November 04, 2007, 07:30 AM NHFT
What a MAN! ROB I shake in your presence!
He is now threatening me, he needs a body guard from little old me?
HAH!
that is funny
She is the jello champion in two states and you can get really messy with that stuff.
OK, I thought this was a serious post but since it looks like it's not, please disregard my previous post.
as I understand it, it isn't a matter of "not serious" in the satirical sense, so much as crazy.
Quote from: Dan on November 04, 2007, 11:06 AM NHFT
*sigh*
Er, seeing as I like everyone involved here, can we keep gun play out of this?
It's amazing I even have to type that.
Everyone that is worked up got to know each other because in the past they were all trying to help each other out. Please remember that past.
Back during the incident with the U.S. Marshalls—exactly one month ago today, interestingly—someone commented that the whole point of the raid and the subsequent treatment of Rob, Ivy,
et al., wasn't merely to acquire information about Brown supporters, but was in fact to apply pressure to the freestaters in Manchester and see what would happen. Consider the following scenario:—
They know Rob. They know he's willing to commit violence when he feels it's necessary. They know he's got some sort of serious repressed-anger issues. Being an ex-soldier, they probably know
exactly what his psych profile is, what his weaknesses and likely reactions are, and so on.
They know Ivy. They know she's a single mother who will do anything to protect her child. They know she's had domestic violence issues in the past, so they have an idea about how she'll react the next time.
They probably know who Ivy's friends are, including Beth, and probably know how she's going to react to this situation too, also having dealt with abusers in the past.
When they saw Rob and Ivy together, they knew
exactly where to apply pressure. Put Rob under stress, watch Rob lose his temper and say something incredibly stupid, watch Ivy and her friend panic, and watch the whole situation explode.
Here's where we were one month ago:—
(http://i.eprci.net/rob+ivy)
Brown supporter resurfaces, Canario protests grow (http://youtube.com/watch?v=a3D-v6LaR4I)
The Ridley Report, 2007-10-06And now people are talking about restraining orders and body guards and beating people up tomorrow.
Ivy, have you considered Rob's threats in light of the fact that he's under so much pressure from the feds, and that he actually
does have a perfectly valid reason to suspect that some of the freestaters in Manchester are informants or outright agents? When you talked to these people who told you he fits the classic domestic abuser profile, were they aware these facts before making that judgment?
Rob, just leave before this escalates any further tomorrow. By your own system of ethics, doesn't she have a right to ask you to leave, whether or not she actually has a valid "reason" to do so? It's her apartment, her name on the lease, and essentially her private property. Also, think of the consequences of a restraining order, since she works at Murphy's... and, being a firearm owner, I'm sure you're aware of what being convicted of a "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" means.
Beth, what do you actually hope to accomplish by going up to the apartment tomorrow and trying to deal with the situation in the manner in which you've described? If Rob's still there, do you think you're going to be able to make him leave by threatening him in person like you have on the forum? If he is armed, or with someone protecting him, do you think you're going to be able to forcibly remove him yourself?
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 04, 2007, 08:56 PM NHFT
Ivy, have you considered Rob's threats in light of the fact that he's under so much pressure from the feds, and that he actually does have a perfectly valid reason to suspect that some of the freestaters in Manchester are informants or outright agents? When you talked to these people who told you he fits the classic domestic abuser profile, were they aware these facts before making that judgment?
There is no valid excuse for what Ivy has been put through. period.
Right. "Come on, guys. Making death threats against his roommates is just how Rob deals with stress . . . ."
Quote from: Faber on November 04, 2007, 09:11 PM NHFT
Right. "Come on, guys. Making death threats against his roommates is just how Rob deals with stress . . . ."
I'm not saying that. I'm saying he snapped and said something stupid, and it has to be understood in light of what's been going on for the past month, not just as a typical domestic-violence situation.
If you willfully refuse to understand the facts involved in a given situation, don't be surprised when you can't even begin to solve them.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 04, 2007, 09:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: Faber on November 04, 2007, 09:11 PM NHFT
Right. "Come on, guys. Making death threats against his roommates is just how Rob deals with stress . . . ."
I'm not saying that. I'm saying he snapped and said something stupid, and it has to be understood in light of what's been going on for the past month, not just as a typical domestic-violence situation.
If you willfully refuse to understand the facts involved in a given situation, don't be surprised when you can't even begin to solve them.
This will not be the first time he has done so and I have been on the receiving end as well. There is an established pattern of repetative aggressive and negative behavior.
The solution can be simple or it can get complicated; Rob's choice.
A victim of burglary doesn't have to try to understand and reconcile with his thief, even if they're both Free Staters and former friends. Some problems shouldn't be solved, but rather be defused and avoided. Of course, once Ivy is safe, she (and Beth) should seriously consider sitting down and re-evaluating how they judge character. They gave high praises of Rob a month ago, and now their opinion has, er, changed. And from what I've picked up from their posts here, this isn't the first time they've made some fairly rocky judgments of character. Thankfully, Rob decided to threaten first, rather than act first . . . the next time, they might not be so lucky :-\
I think your advice to Rob and Beth were spot on, for what it's worth. I just think you really missed the boat with your advice to Ivy.
I wonder if this is all just a hoax...
Quote from: ivyleague28477 on November 04, 2007, 09:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 04, 2007, 09:20 PM NHFT
I'm not saying that. I'm saying he snapped and said something stupid, and it has to be understood in light of what's been going on for the past month, not just as a typical domestic-violence situation.
If you willfully refuse to understand the facts involved in a given situation, don't be surprised when you can't even begin to solve them.
What is your suggested solution, J? My solution was to ask him to leave. Simple. He then turned and started making more threats to me and my best friend who was his friend too, making it even more clear he had violent intentions towards me.
I have a suggestion. You can stay at my place the next few weeks and make sure I and my son are safe. Sound okay?
[My accusation of willfully trying not to understand a situation was directed to Faber and his comment, not you.]
I didn't disagree that he has to leave. I just don't want to see this turn into a legal "domestic violence" situation with restraining orders and court convictions and so on. Domestic violence, like school violence, seems to be one of those policy areas that are quickly being taken over by the "zero tolerance" phenomenon: I'm not sure if it works this way in New Hampshire yet, but in Massachusetts, if the police are called to a domestic violence dispute, someone will get arrested—it doesn't matter if it was a misunderstanding, it doesn't matter if the two have made up between the 9-1-1 call and the arrival of the police, it doesn't even matter if the caller refuses to press charges (the state will, on behalf of the caller)—someone will get arrested, and charged, and most likely convicted. I don't want to see this situation turn into that tomorrow morning.
I left you a PM on an idea of how to get him out of your place quicker.
That's why J's post didn't make much sense to me. I thought you were taking a rather level-headed approach to all this as far as involving the police goes. The only way you could have been more "considerate" of Rob's stress-induced death threats would be to give him a back rub and hum "Kum Ba Ya" to him as he went to sleep . . . .
Don't be stupid, Ivy. Call the police. Rob threatened to murder you, and you have a young child to consider.
Quote from: Faber on November 04, 2007, 10:29 PM NHFT
That's why J's post didn't make much sense to me.
J's post is exactly the best of all possible worlds at this time. I just hope it comes true:
QuoteRob, just leave before this escalates any further tomorrow. By your own system of ethics, doesn't she have a right to ask you to leave, whether or not she actually has a valid "reason" to do so? It's her apartment, her name on the lease, and essentially her private property. Also, think of the consequences of a restraining order, since she works at Murphy's... and, being a firearm owner, I'm sure you're aware of what being convicted of a "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" means.
De-escalation and re-evaluation after a few days of calm-the-fuck down time.
Thanks, Dan. Looks like (https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php/topic,431.msg3840.html#msg3840) Rob is either out or on the way out today.
Quote from: richardr on November 05, 2007, 09:20 AM NHFT
Don't be stupid, Ivy. Call the police. Rob threatened to murder you, and you have a young child to consider.
See, this is why people think you're a provocateur, Richard. You pick the most disruptive and damaging solution you can imagine, and suggest that.
Well, he is out. Miss Jello champ threatened him into moving.. I honestly dont think he was going to do it easily, until I made a HUGE stink about it.
I know me and Ivy couldnt ask him ourselves, so taunting him online, and having everyone show concern over us really helped. I enjoyed everyone's words.
Thank you all,
See you sometime.
Quote from: Faber on November 04, 2007, 10:29 PM NHFT
The only way you could have been more "considerate" of Rob's stress-induced death threats would be to give him a back rub and hum "Kum Ba Ya" to him as he went to sleep . . . .
when i get stressed I dont start threatening people I love, or who are friends?? DO you? Actually, a month ago, Rob said that I was a good friend, and said he loved me, friendly, isnt it??
A Normal person when stressed does not threaten lives. I threatened only if he was still in her place, which he is not, and come on, think I can beat up a man? For Real? LOL you people give me more credit than needed. A Man should never pick on a woman, never raise a fist or a hand, to scare into making her believe he has the power.
As for judgments, in my past, living with my abuser, I was 18, I have learned a lot since then. Rob seemed like a decent person, Ivy talked to many people about him, I merely warned that he was being watched.
Live and Learn, and we have all done that. Dont put blame on us for letting him be our friend, he is a friend of you all.(except many Kat! We should trust her judgment, because she saw something coming!)
I am DONE with talking about this online, on a forum. Its shitty, and I did it to get a few messages to Rob, since he apparently was not reading my emails and such.
If you got something to say to me, about how I handled this, about my threat to clean his clock, email me, or PM me. Thank you ALL who supported me, I will not name names, but I have a new respect for you, my friends, who stood on my side, saying all bets are off when a man threatens or harms a woman. Words I take to my heart, and my grave.
Lets all forget this, move on, let the air clear, and hope Rob stays a away.
(just think a second, would if something bad really did happen? what if he acted on that threat that night? that is what I can not get out of my head. People who make threats of violence are not normal, with that said, I am certainly NOT of the norm. I am fucked as they come, thanks for watching the show!! )
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 05, 2007, 09:44 AM NHFT
See, this is why people think you're a provocateur, Richard. You pick the most disruptive and damaging solution you can imagine, and suggest that.
Interesting that you think I would care more about my reputation than I do about a young mother who has been threatened with murder.
Perhaps you'd like to wait until he acts on his threats and then whine about, "What a surprise, I always thought Rob was such a nice guy at heart, just misunderstood. Maybe Ivy had it coming, though, or really it's all the evil feds fault for pressuring Rob into harming Ivy."
This is real life time, not radical chic time. If he harms Ivy, whining on a forum won't help her one bit.
Call the police, Ivy. Rob is a nutjob, and you have a dependant child to think of.
Quote from: Beth221 on November 05, 2007, 10:33 AM NHFT
A Man should never pick on a woman, never raise a fist or a hand, to scare into making her believe he has the power.
The truth of this is only marred by the application of gender monikers.
Quote from: richardr on November 05, 2007, 11:03 AM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 05, 2007, 09:44 AM NHFT
See, this is why people think you're a provocateur, Richard. You pick the most disruptive and damaging solution you can imagine, and suggest that.
Interesting that you think I would care more about my reputation than I do about a young mother who has been threatened with murder.
Perhaps you'd like to wait until he acts on his threats and then whine about, "What a surprise, I always thought Rob was such a nice guy at heart, just misunderstood. Maybe Ivy had it coming, though, or really it's all the evil feds fault for pressuring Rob into harming Ivy."
This is real life time, not radical chic time. If he harms Ivy, whining on a forum won't help her one bit.
Call the police, Ivy. Rob is a nutjob, and you have a dependant child to think of.
I have to agree with Richard here to a point. If Rob is making threats of violence they should not be taken lightly. It's one thing to yell out in a fight you wish the other was dead or something like that but Ivy left because she feared for hers and her child's safety. I would think just a single blurt out during a fight alone wouldn't cause someone that much fear so this is clearly a serious matter and should be treated as such.
However that said, I would seriously consider taking further steps to protect yourself since police will give a restraining order and maybe show up after he's done something to you. You should consider changing the locks and maybe have someone stay with you or stay somewhere else.
Quote from: richardr on November 05, 2007, 11:03 AM NHFT
This is real life time, not radical chic time. If he harms Ivy, whining on a forum won't help her one bit.
Call the police, Ivy. Rob is a nutjob, and you have a dependant child to think of.
If you haven't noticed, the whole situation is pretty much over.
Additionally, as other people have pointed out, calling the police will do little anyway. The job of the police is to clean up the mess after the fact, and assign blame so the state can prosecute someone. They don't "protect and serve" no matter how much you want to believe that.
Quote from: lildog on November 05, 2007, 03:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: richardr on November 05, 2007, 11:03 AM NHFT
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Call the police, Ivy. Rob is a nutjob, and you have a dependant child to think of.
I have to agree with Richard here to a point. If Rob is making threats of violence they should not be taken lightly.
I don't think anyone's taking them lightly. But that doesn't mean people ought to follow Richard's advice and involve the police, either.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on November 05, 2007, 03:40 PM NHFT
If you haven't noticed, the whole situation is pretty much over.
You have no way of knowing whether that's true or not. Rob has shown phenomenally bad judgment and psychotic behavior. That doesn't go away over night.
Give him some grass. Stoners are rarely violent right? 8-)
Pedantic parsing of a given "If X, then Y" warning - various of which have apparently been going around - may lead to the pedantic conclusion that it's not a "threat of violence," but rather something along the lines of "if you touch the stove, you'll burn your hand." (Whence "misunderstanding," perhaps?)
But what that rationalization really does is put volitional human behavior into the realm of the mindless laws of physics, divorced from human decision-making and morality... and it's false - a bullshit cop out.
http://www.health24.com/Woman/Relationships/711-724-726,18895.asp
QuoteMany men [and undoubtedly many women too] who are abusive to their partners play the game of "Look what you made me do," thereby absolving themselves from responsibility for their actions.
Ivy requested these threads be locked. Seemed reasonable to me.
QuoteI want this topic out of the limelight and our group to move on to the issues we are all gathered here to accomplish: gaining liberty in our lifetime.
Ivy