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Regional Discussion => Merrimack Valley => Manchester => Topic started by: Porcupine Realtor on February 18, 2008, 02:09 PM NHFT

Title: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on February 18, 2008, 02:09 PM NHFT
The Manchester P.D. has announced that they will be holding a "Sobriety Checkpoint" this Friday, Feb. 22nd.  I don't know where or when yet.
As a group, we could produce signs that say something like "Unconstitutional checkpoint ahead" or "Police State Enforcement Ahead" or "COPS WITH GUNS AND BREATHALYZERS," and then post volunteers around the streets leading to the abuse of power.  We could have DETOUR signs that say "Detour:  Freedom This Way" or whatever. 

This may be an arrestable activity, who knows these days.  But it would be great.  More thoughts?  Who's in?
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 18, 2008, 03:50 PM NHFT
When Lauren Dada and others did that last year, there was no threat of arrest, if I remember right.

Sounds like a good plan :)
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on February 18, 2008, 05:02 PM NHFT
I’m in.

Technically these things have been deemed constitutional, so that wouldn’t be a good idea for a sign. I like the detour sign idea:
DETOUR
CHECKPOINT AHEAD
FREEDOM THIS WAY
<—
or something similar.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: ReverendRyan on February 18, 2008, 05:21 PM NHFT
I think it goes without saying that several detours should be planned out, as they will likely send a car or 2 to monitor the initial "freedom detour"
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Dave Ridley on February 18, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT
<<When Lauren Dada and others did that last year, there was no threat of arrest, if I remember right.>>

the cops handed out water bottles to us and told lauren "just make sure and take the sign down after you're done"

That is the kind of cop story i love to be able to tell!

great idea mark and i hope to be there on the 22nd 
I will start poking around to see if i can find any of my signs.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: error on February 18, 2008, 08:32 PM NHFT
I am expected in Boston on Friday night. So, I guess I can't make it. :(
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: penguins4me on February 19, 2008, 10:46 AM NHFT
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Technically these things have been deemed constitutional

So have many laws which absolutely and directly conflict with the hard-coded restrictions on government power found in the so-called Bill of Rights. When the government levies judgement upon the constitutionality of something, even an idiot can see the conflict of interest therein.

Of course, you already know this. I simply enjoy pointing out obvious things. :P
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: picaro on February 19, 2008, 10:57 AM NHFT
What time Friday?
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on February 19, 2008, 10:28 PM NHFT
I don't know when or where they will be doing this travesty of freedom.  Does anyone know a cop "insider?"  That would be best; we need our own reverse informant.  Perhaps we'll just have to be on call and have several scouts drive around different parts of the city.

Some activists are going to MASS for a Beth party, so we may be short on peeps.  If we don't get better intel, we may have to scrub this one and keep it in mind for the future.  Check back here on Thursday.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Dave Ridley on February 20, 2008, 08:49 AM NHFT
The most common spot is apparently on elm st. between granite st. and queen city st.    i think they set up there a little after midnight last time and stayed perhaps until 2 a.m.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: sandm000 on February 20, 2008, 02:09 PM NHFT
Dave,
I think the best part of the whole shebang was when the cops went on break and left their roadblock untended.

People were just driving right by, while the cops had a little sit down.

Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: picaro on February 20, 2008, 05:07 PM NHFT
I'll keep an ear out for any Porc411 messages disclosing the location.

Also, how legible are signs at night?  are flashlights sufficient illumination?

Hope to be out there this Friday night!
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: John Edward Mercier on February 21, 2008, 07:40 AM NHFT
Dave,
I think the best part of the whole shebang was when the cops went on break and left their roadblock untended.

People were just driving right by, while the cops had a little sit down.



Its a sobriety checkpoint...
They're not required to check 100% of the vehicles.

Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: sandm000 on February 21, 2008, 11:06 AM NHFT
Yeah but the funny part was that they had 4 cop cars with lights on and the cops were not anywhere near them.  Imagine being at a border crossing, and all the agents take a break leaving you to guide yourself across the border, it had to be surreal to all those people who drove down the gauntlet of police cars with no police around.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: sandm000 on February 21, 2008, 11:09 AM NHFT
Also, how legible are signs at night?  are flashlights sufficient illumination?

There are plenty of lights out there so a flashlight won't be necessary.

Snacks, music, and liquid refreshment are all optional.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: yonder on February 21, 2008, 11:27 AM NHFT
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to get word out to every local business with a liquor license, as well.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Dave Ridley on February 21, 2008, 12:05 PM NHFT
would you be willing to look some of them up and make some calls?
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: picaro on February 21, 2008, 01:40 PM NHFT
This website may be helpful tracking down licensees (http://nhlicenses.nh.gov/weblookup/Search.aspx?facility=Y).
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: yonder on February 21, 2008, 01:49 PM NHFT
This website may be helpful tracking down licensees (http://nhlicenses.nh.gov/weblookup/Search.aspx?facility=Y).

I might be a little fat-fingered with this, but I'm trying to figure out how to narrow down the results to only show active licenses.

I did a search to find any Restaurant-type liquor licenses and got back 20 pages of results, most of which represent inactive licenses.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Dave Ridley on February 21, 2008, 02:37 PM NHFT
if a report goes out on 411 , plz post it to this thread.  some of us are unable to receive the messages directly on our email.  but i plan to watch the thread.

whoever is willing...just be on standby tomorrow night and ready to hop in your car . 
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: John Edward Mercier on February 22, 2008, 05:48 AM NHFT
Yeah but the funny part was that they had 4 cop cars with lights on and the cops were not anywhere near them.  Imagine being at a border crossing, and all the agents take a break leaving you to guide yourself across the border, it had to be surreal to all those people who drove down the gauntlet of police cars with no police around.

Everybody stopping to look for the accident?
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 22, 2008, 06:49 AM NHFT
The most common spot is apparently on elm st. between granite st. and queen city st.    i think they set up there a little after midnight last time and stayed perhaps until 2 a.m.
not far from Murphy's right?
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 22, 2008, 06:50 AM NHFT
I’m in.

Technically these things have been deemed constitutional, so that wouldn’t be a good idea for a sign. I like the detour sign idea:
DETOUR
CHECKPOINT AHEAD
FREEDOM THIS WAY
<—
or something similar.
they might go nuts if you have a detour sign .... but don't worry we will visit you in jail ;)
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 22, 2008, 06:52 AM NHFT
Dave,
I think the best part of the whole shebang was when the cops went on break and left their roadblock untended.

People were just driving right by, while the cops had a little sit down.


that is funny ... "donut break"

maybe people can hand them a donut box and shut it down early
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: error on February 22, 2008, 07:45 AM NHFT
The most common spot is apparently on elm st. between granite st. and queen city st.    i think they set up there a little after midnight last time and stayed perhaps until 2 a.m.
not far from Murphy's right?

Yep, it's just south of Murphy's on Elm Street.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: sandm000 on February 22, 2008, 10:38 AM NHFT
gauntlet
Everybody stopping to look for the accident?

No, I would say that people were confused about why the cars were in the middle of the street and off to the right (like a literal gauntlet (http://www.answers.com/topic/running-the-gauntlet)) and then encountering flag waving sign wielding protestors to said empty double row of cop cars.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Rosie the Riveter on February 22, 2008, 03:25 PM NHFT
"encountering flag waving sign wielding protestors to said empty double row of cop cars"
 
 :notworthy:

Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on February 22, 2008, 04:30 PM NHFT
I just called MPD and talked to some lieutenant in the OIC (probably like a PIO), but he said he didn't know what time tonight or where the checkpoint would be held.  He said that as far as he knew, it was still going to happen despite the lousy weather.  He claimed that the traffic officer who would know the details wasn't there.  I don't know if he would tell me or not, but it doesn't hurt to ask.  I said I was with the Manchester Free Press, although he didn't ask.  He didn't act at all curious about why I was inquiring.

Even if our little rally doesn't happen tonight, it wouldn't hurt to have a sign-making party so we're prepared for the next opportunity.  I am not going to stand out in the cold at midnight.  I might be out earlier for some beers and then jump in the car.  I guess checkpoints really don't stop many intoxicated drivers; they just intimidate people, give the PD good PR, and generally harass citizens.  My 2 cents.
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Rosie the Riveter on February 23, 2008, 09:44 PM NHFT

Even if our little rally doesn't happen tonight, it wouldn't hurt to have a sign-making party so we're prepared for the next opportunity.  I am not going to stand out in the cold at midnight.  I might be out earlier for some beers and then jump in the car.  I guess checkpoints really don't stop many intoxicated drivers; they just intimidate people, give the PD good PR, and generally harass citizens.  My 2 cents.

So what did happen?
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 24, 2008, 06:03 AM NHFT
I said I was with the Manchester Free Press ...

I guess checkpoints really don't stop many intoxicated drivers; they just intimidate people, give the PD good PR, and generally harass citizens.  My 2 cents.
If you have a story ... and the Manchester Free Press doesn't yet have a website ... you can submit it to the New Hampshire Free Press. :) We also can produce press passes .... copwatch ones on request.  :D

I can't believe checkpoints ever produce good PR .... have you met people that are happy they do them? In CA we hated them ... they would cause traffic jams. .... luckily I have not encountered one in NH ... except near Ed and Elaine's place. :(
Title: Re: 4th Amendment Abuse Rally Friday - DUI checkpoint
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on February 24, 2008, 07:54 PM NHFT
Nothing became of this.  I'll lock this thread.  We may still get some people together to make signs for the next one.  If you want to be on the sign committee, PM me (Mark W.).