Edit:? The protest at or near David Souter's place in Weare is now set for July 17th, 1PM .? ?More details to follow.
34 Cilley Hill Road
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Original post below:
You folks have any thoughts on when would be a good time/date to schedule a protest in front of or near Judge Souter's place?? ?Any ideas on exact location?
I'm thinking maybe sunday july 17th, 1pm.? Saturday the 16th would be ok too I guess.? ? ? Will plan to make a calendar entry once I hear from you folks.
Oh here are some sign ideas (feedback and better ideas welcome):
Give Souter
The Booter
NHfree.com
"Protect Souter" >:D
"New Hampshire for families...... NOT big business!" (This should win over some left-of-center types......
Or how about "Land of the free" in a red cirsle and a slash though it?
"Give me Liberty or give me Souter" Sorry, sounds threatening.. LOL... Not meant that way......
We have to tie this in somehow with the NH citizens who drove a cannon up to teh British governor's house in 1774(?).. Perhaps with a bulldozer, but stay off his property..... :D
JM
Perhaps we could convince one of our civil disobedience guys to use the bulldozer. probably wouldn't get more than a year or so. Would generate a lot of publicity!
I know a couple people that have cannons >:D
Believe it or not, in Minnesota, where it is illegal to have any fireworks more dangerous than sparklers and snakes, you can have a privately owned cannon. Who needs fireworks? >:D
Quote from: russellkanning on July 06, 2005, 10:14 AM NHFT
"Protect Souter" >:D
Yeah, we should state a protest, to "protect Souter."
It might be fun, it might be vengful. Heck, it might even be justice -- but no long term good can come of it, and it might even set up an eminent domain bereaucracu in NH where none previously existed. That would be a very bad thing.
Tracy
How about:
"We should protect even scumbags like Souter."
That sounds good. :)
I feel like Anarchy when he teamed up with Green Lantern when an anomoly caused the laws of physics to callapse for awhile. A building was falling down -- and it was compain headquarter place filled with politicians.
He said, "I never thought I'd be teaming up with a superhero -- an intergalactic cop no less -- to save the lives of politicians."
OK, I've officially revealed just how much of a geek I am.
Tracy
Lets see how does it go= In the darkest day ... in the blackest night... beware the power of Green Lantern's light!
I think thats close. I must be part geek. ;D
Green Arrow can never remember it either.
Here's the oath. More specifically it's Hal Jordon's oath.
In Brightest Day
In Blackest Night
No Evil Shall Escape My Sight!
Let Those Who Worship Evil's Might
Beware My (Our) Power --
Green Lantern's Light
OK, this is getting surealley off topic, but Anarchy was in the most recent issue on Green Arrow. The first time, in several years. I'd encourage everybody to pick it up. Perhaps if D.C. realizes it's a good charactor -- they'll use him more again. Start spreading the memes again.
Tracy
Anyone have any thoughts as to where the exact location should be?
I'm thinking we do part of it near his house, part of it on a street where we are visible to lots of traffic if possible. I have no idea when he is or isn't home and don't think that's even worth worrying about. What's the address?
? Hey there ,? Great Idea,? I want to go to this,? ?and I think you would like me and? my truck to be there,? ?Can I recommend doing this the next sunday the 24th? same time or noon,? Because there is also a rally at the state house for 3;00? ?which would follow this? up well. ? ?Also? the 17 th? is Nascar Day,? Can't give that one up tixs cost to much,? as well many others I know that have the same intrest in this also go to the races,? My truck is A custom chevy? box van, I am a builder but I do not advertise for my self,? But it is well Known in the Rochester / Dover area,? ?I? have now painted it up,? it now reads in Large letters,? ? ? ? ?(? ? Lost Liberty Hotel ,? ?Coming soon to a property like yours whether you like it or not !!? ? ?Courtsey of the U.S.? Supreme court? case # 04-108? ? )? ?It also has the dome of a capitol with flag on pole blowing? but ripping and coming apart.? ?the truck is done up real nice ,? It has been getting? ( more ) attention than usual,? good for conversation,? and more so information,? Also adding some more to it this weekend, I heard about this protest on WGIR today,? Hope? the date can change,? Thanks Lance ::)
maybe both days :D
Most of us will be up in Lancaster then. Maybe a couple weeks after the f irst one?
You know -- It might be interesting for Mike (or other opposer of the Souter home) to find some talk-show to debate with somebody in the emminent domain for Souter camp.
Could be interesting. Are their several anti-tax, anti-emminent domain people that have talk shows?
Tracy
Dave, you know he's on a dead end street that no one drives down?
The hotel will fix that >:D
Is there a location within a half mile or so that is a fairly busy street where we could be seen by more than 2 or 3 motorists per minute? Otherwise I'm thinking we protest ten meters away from his place.
Also what is his address? Need this today for out
going LTE's
Integrity even if you can't be here you can help by disseminating our news release to NH media or writing an LTE or calling talk radio about this. thanks!
Woo hoo we made the Telegraph in London yesterday !
Or at least Clements did.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/10/wjudge10.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/10/ixworld.html
A US Supreme Court Judge could lose his country farmhouse thanks to a controversial law which he himself voted to bring in.
Furious protesters are plotting to seize David Souter's $150,000 (?86,400) 19th century home and turn it into a hotel after he voted to give towns the legal right to make compulsory purchases. They view his support for the legislation as an affront to every American's inviolable right to personal property.
Judge Souter
Judge Souter
In retaliation, they are determined to make him pay with the loss of his home in the countryside outside the town of Weare in New Hampshire, where the official state motto is "Live Free or Die". The hotel would be called The Lost Freedom, and its restaurant, The Just Desserts.
Under the new law, a town may issue a compulsory purchase order - known in America as purchase by "eminent domain" - on a private property and pass it on to a commercial developer if it considers that the development would benefit the town and its people as a whole.
Mr Souter cast the swing vote in the unpopular 5-to-4 court decision in the case of Kelo vs City of New London, Connecticut.
Opinion polls show that 95 per cent of Americans disapprove of the ruling and believe that compulsory purchase should be used only to transfer ownership of blighted property which has become a danger to the community.
Logan Darrow Clements is the publishing entrepreneur and free-markets campaigner behind the counter-attack.
"By his own ruling, Weare the town has the justification for such an action because the hotel project we are submitting will benefit the town by creating new jobs and a higher tax revenue," he said.
According to town officials, the audacious bid has a chance of success. "As far as we are concerned, we need to take this seriously under these new rules and are setting up meetings," said Charles Meany, Weare's official in charge of planning.
He warned, however, that Mr Souter's house was in a protected rural area.
Weare, population 8,500, has five councillors, known as "selectmen", who have not so far commented. Even if they decide not to order Mr Souter to sell his house, the judge will be at the mercy of the townspeople.
"The rules are that if the selectmen say no, Mr Clements can put the plan to the town on an electoral ballot next spring," Mr Meany said.
Mr Clements, 36, who made his fortune with a business magazine called American Ventures, said: "I only announced the plan six days ago, but since then I have had 5,000 offers of help from venture capitalists wanting to put in money, to architects wanting to draw the plans."
Mr Souter, who has had his house in Weare for years and is expected to spend the summer there, might be surprised by the reaction of old acquaintances in the village.
"We just had a senior citizens' meeting, and we don't like this ruling, we don't like it at all," said June Eaton, 67.
"We can't imagine what Mr Souter thinks he is doing: he is certainly not thinking of other people, and if he loses his house, he deserves it."
A Supreme Court spokesman said that the judge had "no comment" on his ruling or its consequences.
# The US Supreme Court is tipped to lose another chief justice this week. William Rehnquist, 80, who is suffering from thyroid cancer, is widely expected to resign.
His departure will set the stage for a tumultuous struggle between liberal and conservative groups over President Bush's nomination of two new justices following the earlier resignation of Sandra Day O'Connor, a moderate voice.
8) >:D
I just got through and mentioned this protest on-air to the most popular Sunday-night-radio-show in the country. Drudge.
Wow :o Good work, John!
Great work John!
Could use some help disseminating this news release to NH media.? If possible plz let us know via this thread who you have sent the release to.
NH: Protest outside Judge Souter's house Sunday
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
7/14/05
Weare, New Hampshire
U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter lives at 34 Cilley Hill Rd. in Weare, N.H.
Why do you need to know this? Because that's where you'll be Sunday, July
17 at 1:00 p.m, those of you who want want to take a stand against his decision to reduce
your property rights.
Ultimately, you could say there is - or was - an unspoken contract between the people
and their government. You don't show up at our homes with bulldozers, and we won't
show up at yours with signs. This month, in the already infamous Kelo vs. New London
decision, the court broke that contract, with David Souter's support. He
voted with the majority, not merely to allow but to *support* vicious land grabs
against homeowners.
It's beyond our poor power to counter every evil this man has loosed upon us. But
we *can* rally outside his home to support the efforts of Free Stater Logan Clements,
who has turned the tables on this robed tyrant by asking the city of Weare to let
him demolish the Souter home and build a hotel in its place. We'll have signs that say
"Give Souter the Booter!"
What: Protest outside U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter's house
When: Sunday, July 17 1:00 - 2:00 PM
Where: 34 Cilley Hill Road, Weare, N.H.
Why: To express our opposition to Souter's ruling against property rights in Kelo vs. New London. And to support Free Stater Logan Clements' effort to fight back. Clements has asked the town of Weare to give him Souter's propety so he can build the "Lost Liberty Hotel" there.
Who: Activists from NHfree.com and whoever wants to come! Projected turnout: 15
Contacts: Dave Ridley (603) 721-1490 Backup: Kat Dillon (603) 357-2049
Perhaps I should make another press release about the counter-protest to protect Souter's home from eminent domain.
Ive sent the release to wkbk radio, concord moniotr, union leader so far but am slo for lack of laptop
For information purposes I tried to take a neutral stance (the last time I have done so was on the issue on the Drudge show). ?However, I am not neutral.
Eminent Domain Sucks!
Those who wish to be part of a "social contract" which allowes others to determine what the best use of one's own property is will make that very clear on July 17. ?BTW, does Clements own anything?
I will stand against this madness!
Is Clements just another anti-FSP plant?
PLEASE COME OUT to Weare and stand as a "true" FreeStater!
If you are on the wrong side now; you still have time to change.
Dude, we have to get this one right!
Take away his job - not his home!
Quote from: John on July 14, 2005, 08:03 AM NHFT
Take away his job - not his home!
I agree. Impeach the Kelo 5!
Quote from: DadaOrwell on July 10, 2005, 08:28 AM NHFT
Woo hoo we made the Telegraph in London yesterday !
Or at least Clements did.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/10/wjudge10.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/10/ixworld.html
"The rules are that if the selectmen say no, Mr Clements can put the plan to the town on an electoral ballot next spring," Mr Meany said.
Apparently Mr. Meany has not yet figured out that the people of Weare who have the *legal* petition to take the home are not one and the same as this Clements guy. Clements CANNOT put it on the ballot by petition unless he gets a Weare resident to do it. And that's already been done by Gary Hopper, with input from CNHT...
And although I am absolutely opposed to taking of private property for any reason, I think we need to make an example of Mr. Souter...sorry Mikey.
Quote from: katdillon on July 10, 2005, 01:16 AM NHFT
Dave, you know he's on a dead end street that no one drives down?
You could station yourselves at the beginning of the street...? That way people on the main drag would see you...
How about signs (and people singing) that say "This land is YOUR land, this land is MY land!" ?
>:D
Quote from: CNHT on July 14, 2005, 08:37 AM NHFT
And although I am absolutely opposed to taking of private property for any reason, I think we need to make an example of Mr. Souter...sorry Mikey.
It sounds like you are contradicting yourself. If you endorse taking Mr. Souters land, you are not opposed to taking private property for
any reason.
Quote from: president on July 14, 2005, 09:01 AM NHFT
Quote from: CNHT on July 14, 2005, 08:37 AM NHFT
And although I am absolutely opposed to taking of private property for any reason, I think we need to make an example of Mr. Souter...sorry Mikey.
It sounds like you are contradicting yourself. If you endorse taking Mr. Souters land, you are not opposed to taking private property for any reason.
...or we could also sing "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot, ooh la la la!"
Quote from: freedominnh on July 14, 2005, 09:25 AM NHFT
Using citizen petition warrant for such a purpose would be a horrible abuse.? Person might as well form a community redevelopment corporation if you want to become just like the eminent domain bad guys.
It's not an abuse -- it's allowed under the provision of 'public good'. And big cities do have community redevelopment plans which include commercial ventures for which they take land. (Not saying that's right) Once we stop them from taking land for private gain, we can then work on this aspect. I recently worked against water districts taking private wells for 'public good'. So I am not contradicting myself, but if Souter needs to be made an example of to get what we want, so be it.
Quote from: CNHT on July 14, 2005, 09:40 AM NHFT
It's not an abuse -- it's allowed under the provision of 'public good'. And big cities do have community redevelopment plans which include commercial ventures for which they take land. (Not saying that's right) Once we stop them from taking land for private gain, we can then work on this aspect. I recently worked against water districts taking private wells for 'public good'. So I am not contradicting myself, but if Souter needs to be made an example of to get what we want, so be it.
Or we could just try to get what we want and try to get eminent domain banned in Weare instead.
This is not a joke, it is serious. We will be responsible for taking away somebody's home. This is a very bad precedent for our movement, the Underground, CNHT, and the Free State Project.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
-Thomas Paine
This will set a precedent, and we will all be vulnerable to it. It is very important for us to reconsider our position.
If we recruit too well for a counter protest there will be no protest. No protest, nothing to counter. No media. No good.
Cathleen
Mike, Souter has stated that taking a home away from an individual for this purpose is O.K.
I think we can, as individuals back either side of this and milk the media attention and if we have to, and I'm not busy in New London, stand in front of the bulldozers in Weare.
Oh we could always draw staws to see who's going to be on which side ;)
I have drawn my straw; and it is a short straw.? ;) ;)
Since property rights got the short end in Kelo, I think short straws should be on the side of private property rights.
I stand with Mike!
It is time to "cut" our losses. Stand against this madness.
Eminent Domain Must Stop.
Let's end it in New Hampshire!
PS I'm sure Mike would not go along with this, but (Shhhh) all "good" FreeStaters should cut their straws before ariving in Keane.? ?;D
I cut mine.? I had to.
Quote from: freedominnh on July 15, 2005, 04:59 AM NHFT
The only way Clements' idea makes sense is to make a documentary about the whole process and how "easy" it would be to successfully carry through an eminent domain taking from beginning to end.
It would be schizophrenic for members of the same group protesting both sides of the issue.? ? Get a quorum of all the inner voices and pick.? It's how I keep peace on my island.
Even in the UK article, Mr. Meany from Weare stated that he can't do it without a petitioned warrant article but failed to mention that there was already one written by CNHT and submitted by former State Rep Gary Hopper. Ask anyone who was sitting with us at JW Hill's one Saturday as we were discussing it back then!
(Dawn heard us)
ok Could someone put this in clear text.
I thought that it is against NH law to take property from an individual and give it to a private person.
If that is the case ( and maybe I am mistaken) then how can it be done in Weare?
If there isn't a law why isn't someone ( I know MIke L posted something on this) saying " yes it is ok in NH to take house. So sorry Souter or you can pass this law and make an ironclad stand that ED is wrong."
Win Win.
Quote from: Dreepa on July 15, 2005, 04:36 PM NHFT
ok Could someone put this in clear text.
I thought that it is against NH law to take property from an individual and give it to a private person.
If that is the case ( and maybe I am mistaken) then how can it be done in Weare?
<sigh> As explained before, you are correct that NH law prohibits takings for private gain, but does not prohibit takings for PUBLIC gain, such as a park, library, road, bridge, water facility, conservatorium or other municipal 'improvement' and it must be done by a vote of the people with a warrant article on the ballot.
The article has been submitted and this is all in the works.
This is NOT to say the final product can't generate MONEY for the town, as that would be considered 'public good'. Certainly a park with a tourist museum would bring in more revenue for the town than what Souter's current pitiful and unfairly low assessment brings in.
Hey is anyone going to the protest from concord or thru concord?
A friend of Henry McKelroy's is looking for a ride from their
call me if you can give him a ride; i'm at 721 1490 and I'll put you in touch
34 Cilley Hill Road >:D
Quote from: CNHT on July 14, 2005, 08:37 AM NHFT
And although I am absolutely opposed to taking of private property for any reason, I think we need to make an example of Mr. Souter...sorry Mikey.
So apparently you're NOT opposed to it for any reason. Only opposed to it for any reason exept for when an ignorant power-mongering Supreme Court Justice says it's OK.
Tracy
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on July 14, 2005, 03:19 PM NHFT
Mike, Souter has stated that taking a home away from an individual for this purpose is O.K.
I think we can, as individuals back either side of this and milk the media attention and if we have to, and I'm not busy in New London, stand in front of the bulldozers in Weare.
It doesn't matter what Souter believes. It matters what WE believe.
Tracy
Quote from: freedominnh on July 16, 2005, 07:18 AM NHFT
Please stop posting incorrect information about eminent domain laws existing on the books in NH since post- WWII.
You would need to check with Ed Naile about that.
Quote from: freedominnh on July 21, 2005, 09:41 AM NHFT
The RSA's cited are on the books.? ?They have not been repealed.
What about the case with the land on South Willow Street? The property owner prevailed because it was for private development, not public good.
"Let's pave Souter's yard and put up a public park, Ooh ooh ooh!"
Before I piss anybody off, someone please tell me how it went, did anyone get arrested? Did any media show up? Did you do the two location thing for effect?
Okay, this is probably going to sound a bit rude, so I apologize now.
Those of you who think we should protect Souter's house need to stop being whiney asses and do something that will protect everyone's house!? Have any of you talked to your congressmen to get Federal Legislation written up?? This thing is still in the news(when talking head not babbling about people not smart enough to leave flood zone during Hurricane).? Most Americans on all sides of politics find this appaling.? Now is the time to act at the federal level.? If you want to protect Souter's house only you are an idiot.? If you want to protect everybody's house, then by protecting the rich guy with multiple houses you are proving your uselessness.? Stop talking about passing a city ordinance.? You get some congressperson to sponsor some legislation stopping this kind of garbage and I will call my congressmen (do it monthly anyway) and urge them to support it. I know we are primarily a local group, but some things are best done at the federal level, especially when federal media is already involved, not to mention the national publicity this could generate for the FSP if handled correctly.
Personally I think we should go after all residences of the Kelo 5, and keep doing so until those morons finally realize that they were wrong and reverse their decision.
As to the people who keep saying to impeach them, wake up!? They weren't elected and can't be impeached.? Nor can the president fire them or the congress disapprove them.? they are untouchable by the normal (legal) means of going after politicains, which is why I am one hundred percent for going after their property, in the way they were stupid enough to approve as legal.? They made their bed, let's see how comfortable they are in it.
Finally, those of you who keep talking about others not getting it because they don't feel like protecting Satan, get a grip. If we were living in a perfect world none of us would be members of the FSP; all fifty states would still be free. Sometimes you have to break an egg to make an omellete, and I would rather we bust the bad guy's eggs then sit around arguing like dumbasses while ours get broken one at a time. Everyone who reads these posts are in opposition to that bad law, but one of the best ways of fighting that bad law is by getting it repealed by the few people who have the powere to do it, the robed dumbasses. They aren't going to repeal their decisions just because you ask them to, but take a house from each of them and maybe nobody will ever get their house taken like that again. Would you rather that hundreds of poor people get their only 1500 square foot house stolen on an annual basis, or would you prefer that five rich people, each with multiple houses in excess of 3000 square feet each lose one domicile and then change the law? This is our position. This is why we support taking Souter's house.
Okay, I'm done bantering
I've been down to CT twice to try and help prevent this from happening. What have you done?
"This is our position." Are you royalty or something?
The protest went badly by NHfree.com standards; only 12 people showed up and not at the same time, no media came. But at least we did something.
8)? ?here, here, cavalry Soldier,? you didn't? piss me off? ,? your Right on the money, !!!!!!!!? ? And I am driving around in my personal protesting machine? and talk with every one I can about eminant domain,? and I have been in contact with my represenitaves, and senateors and the Task force senante commitee working on the eminent donain law. Hopefuly? Public Use will mean Public Use when there all done !!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
" Have any of you talked to your congressmen to get Federal Legislation written up? "
hahahahahahahaha
thanks for the good laugh ..... I like the haunting of the Kelo 5 better >:D
Dada,? ? ?I'm sorry it didn't go very well.? I wish I could have been there, but as it turns out, I won't be able to get to New Hampshire until after August 06.? My National Guard Unit was told today that we have been extended, we were supposed to be leaving here in February, but that is not to be.? Que sera sera.? I look forward to meeting you when I get there, in the mean time I am stuck here in this undeveloped desert state run by idiots and tyrants, yes it's true, my unit is deployed to California.
Kat,? ? ?Due to my job, I have to be careful about what I discuss with my coworkers, but yes I do spread the Libertarian word to them when it is possible (discussed this particular issue with only half a dozen of them).? In the Army it borders on criminal to discuss politics because it can be percieved that I am trying to use my rank and power to sway junior personnel.? I do what I can when I can.? I have notified all of my friends that are at all political, none of them have gotten involved yet. I also call my congressmorons on a monthly basis, sometimes they are swayed by the numbers of voters, sometimes they are swayed by the numbers of dead presidents being paid them by lobbyists.? But if we never call them then our numbers will never sway them.? And yes, I do have royal blood, I'm related to Kaiser Wilhelm, Prince Albert, and Queen Victoria, but only on my mother's side.
Russell,? ? ?Yes I know it usually doesn't work, but sometimes it does, and if we never try, then blame them for not listening (when we didn't tell them anything) then that would make us the idiots, not them.
Looking forward to seeing you all Summer/Fall 2006, Praise God and pass the ammunition.
Quote from: Integrity on July 08, 2005, 11:04 PM NHFT
Also? the 17th?is Nascar Day. Can't give that one up tixs cost to much...
Just out of curiosity, how much is the most expensive ticket? That was my first day at any race like that.
(This is a thread from 2005, btw)
Just mentioning that Justice Souter plans to return to NH.
I wonder if the Library in Weare have any copies of The Little Pink House.
Souter seems to me to be a "black robed corporate jester."
His retirement in NH should be made uncomfortable.
Our LITTLE friend Lauren Canario had the guts to stand against GIGANTIC government/corporate fascism --- while the "BIG" judge Souter bowed to corporate interests over individual property owners!
WELCOME HOME to NH, Lauren.
Souter, please stay "home" in D.C.