Looks like I've been "found out" as an FSP member by anonymous source. I'm sure this will be talked about at tonight's selectmen's meeting at 7 PM (route 10 in Winchester center if anyone's interested). I will be working at the meeting taking the minutes as I'm scheduled to do for the summer (filling in for the regular secretary who's out on maternity leave).
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This too will pass.? Anybody who can say she just wants to preserve NH's tradition of small government should be able to hold her head high in Winchester.?
Besides, the 4 of you are totally outnumbered in the town.? What a lot of fuss over 4 citizens participating in thier local government!? It will be interesting to see if there are even as many as 4 of "them".
What of it? All those things are true.
Woo hoo! They even linked to the FSP website heh heh
I would change the one line to something like
"Free staters want to reduce government by 2/3rds or more so that we can afford police and fire protection AND food for our children"
Other than that I like it >:D
There should also be a place to add your name at the bottom ;D
Hey Ron could you fix it up a bit?.....and some of us could sign it :D
Is there a better term than "co-habitant"?
Also, I can do this in Word 2003 - anybody able to convert to PDF?
First draft of text. Comments?
SPECIAL NOTICE
To
Winchester Residents
The Free State Project has begun trying to free Winchester!
? Free Staters want to end mandatory government indoctrination camps so your children can get decent educations.
? Free Staters want children to be home schooled or sent to private schools that do a much better job than government run schools for much less money.
? Free Staters want to aid Veterans, the poor, disabled, and needy by eliminating the socialist programs that enslave them and treat them poorly; allowing private charities to regain their proper place in society.
? Free Staters want to legalize drugs and prostitution.
? Free Staters want to eliminate Anti-social In-security, Medi-scare, Medicaid, and other communist violations of our Constitution.
? Free Staters want to reduce government by two-thirds or more so that we can afford police and fire protection as well as food and shelter for our families.
? Free Staters believe that a truly free market can provide these things better and cheaper than inept socialist bureaucrats.
Who are the Free State Project members and supporters in town?
Dawn Lincoln is a Free State Project activist and leader
Bill Campbell is Dawn?s co-habitant and Free State Supporter
Brian Moser is one of Dawn?s advisors on town politics & tactics
Susan Newell is a Free State Supporter
Help them restore freedom to our town!
(Sign here)
____________________________________________
Logo! We probably can't/shouldn't use the official FSP logo.
Any ideas?
Should also add text referring to eminent domain and property rights.
Neither the statements made on the original flyer or Ron's flyer are true of all Freestaters. This should be stressed.
The argument should be that this is not true of all Freestaters, but, is accurate for some and, by the way, what is wrong with it?
Logo ideas...
Classic "no communism" - hammer and sickle crossed out.
Troll crossed out.
Cute porcupine (not the FSP logo)
I don't have the graphic skills to do this well. Should be a graphic, not a picture.
Could also use editing of text.
I hearby aothorize Kat to release my drawing for use. LOL I just kill myself. ;D
Bill Campbell is a freedom lover 8)
Maybe we can say "many/most" FSers....and have some of us sign it......it doesn't have to be perfect.
People like Dawn might not want to be connected to this.
hmm Maybe I should move to Winchester. ;D
Quote from: Dreepa on July 06, 2005, 11:18 PM NHFT
hmm Maybe I should move to Winchester. ;D
Maybe we should establish NHFree headquarters there. ;D
This is a neat way to turn the tables!
I wonder if the flier that was distributed was funded privately, or through government grants (heh, heh)...
One of the things I like about the reciprocal approach of changing the flier to promote the FSP is the positive outlook regarding greater efficiency and better ethics through private operations of things like schools, and aid to the poor, etc.
I've noticed that using that kind of tack tends to get more people agreeing than hitting hard right off with terms like enslavement. Technically, that's a winning argument, but not necessarily one to be used right off. Conversion tends to be easier with the positive, and a little of the negative thrown in to show how inefficient and morally bankrupt government operations truly are.
Just a few thoughts, hope you don't mind!!
______
"The data drained from the girl shows the Doctor's long association with libertarian causes! His entire life has been one of opposition to conquest!" -- Marshall Chedarky, "The Android Invasion", Dr. Who.
Quote from: rhelwig on July 06, 2005, 03:34 PM NHFT
Is there a better term than "co-habitant"?
Bed-buddy
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Also, I can do this in Word 2003 - anybody able to convert to PDF?
Yes, I can.
Quote from: katdillon on July 07, 2005, 05:52 AM NHFT
Quote from: rhelwig on July 06, 2005, 03:34 PM NHFT
Is there a better term than "co-habitant"?
Bed-buddy
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Also, I can do this in Word 2003 - anybody able to convert to PDF?
Yes, I can.
Sent it via email last night, Bookish Lass. Could use editing, etc.
Quote from: russellkanning on July 06, 2005, 09:31 PM NHFT
Maybe we can say "many/most" FSers....and have some of us sign it......it doesn't have to be perfect.
People like Dawn might not want to be connected to this.
Maybe, most of the FSP wouldn't want to be involved inthis.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on July 07, 2005, 06:33 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on July 06, 2005, 09:31 PM NHFT
Maybe we can say "many/most" FSers....and have some of us sign it......it doesn't have to be perfect.
People like Dawn might not want to be connected to this.
Maybe, most of the FSP wouldn't want to be involved in this.
which is why I'd like to see another logo used, and more editing ideas.
How would you state the issues?
Quote from: rhelwig on July 06, 2005, 03:43 PM NHFT
First draft of text. Comments?
Keeping mind that buzzwords like 'socialist' and 'communist' are preaching to the converted, and not to those who don't understand the issues, I'd soften this up... but hey, I'm not radical enough for this crowd. (grin)
My edits, which you can feel free to ignore:
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? Free Staters want to end mandatory government indoctrination camps so your children can get decent educations.
Many Free Staters want the best education available for everyone, rather than the mass market factory schooling most kids today get.
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? Free Staters want children to be home schooled or sent to private schools that do a much better job than government run schools for much less money.
Many Free Staters find that homeschooling and private schools do a better job for less money than your tax dollars do now, spent on public schools.
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? Free Staters want to aid Veterans, the poor, disabled, and needy by eliminating the socialist programs that enslave them and treat them poorly; allowing private charities to regain their proper place in society.
Many Free Staters want to help veterans, the poor, disabled, and other needy individuals through the best means possible: with minimal bureaucracy and wasted money. Often, this is through private charities.
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? Free Staters want to legalize drugs and prostitution.
Some Free Staters want to see victimless crimes, with consenting adults, legalized. This includes getting rid of the Drug war.
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? Free Staters want to eliminate Anti-social In-security, Medi-scare, Medicaid, and other communist violations of our Constitution.
Many Free Staters want to eliminate wasteful programs which claim to help people, but really cost more than they help, such as Social Security, Medicare, etc. Replacing these with better methods to help those truly in need, often without government spending, is a goal.
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? Free Staters want to reduce government by two-thirds or more so that we can afford police and fire protection as well as food and shelter for our families.
? Free Staters believe that a truly free market can provide these things better and cheaper than inept socialist bureaucrats.
Many Free Staters want to reduce government spending, to allow everyone to pay less taxes, and afford to provide themselves and their families with better options. They know that simple economics shows that a free market solution will provide everything now done by government with better services at less cost.
I can't BELIEVE you people.... I just got on here to suggest this very same idea and I find it already in progress.......... Yes sir, I LIKE it!
JM
Seth, I like the edits.
Kat, did you get the file I sent last night? Should I attach it here?
Quote from: katdillon on July 06, 2005, 12:13 PM NHFT
What of it? All those things are true.
Except that we like tax credits. We want tax credits and loopholes big enough to drive a mack truck through. :)
It's very misleading. Private charity is much more efficient and effective then government "charity"
But they completely miss that.
Tracy
Got the file. Don't really want to edit it, though.
Quote from: president on July 07, 2005, 08:33 PM NHFT
There should also be flyers made for Goffstown/Pratts, Merrimack/Pelletier, Keene/Maynard.... ;)
Troll. Troll. Troll.
Now Seth, don't be abusing our pet Troll. :P
If you guys don't have a logo already (I know this is an old thread), then from now on, you should use the quip:
WE'RE NOT VERMONT
[Image of Vermont with circle/bar]
:)
Or, go to Bureaucrash.com. They have a ton of anti-statist propaganda and logos you can use. It's hilarious.
I actually looked for a good troll drawing (to put the circle slash onto) but couldn't find one suitable.
I like the "not Vermont" idea.
Troll resorts to foul language. Film at 11. ;D
Quote from: president on July 07, 2005, 08:33 PM NHFT
There should also be flyers made for Goffstown/Pratts, Merrimack/Pelletier, Keene/Maynard....? ;)
Please do! I'm sure you want your flyer to be more accurate than the Winchester one, so if you have any questions (and I hope you do!) PLEASE send me a few questions - I'll be more than happy to answer them, and I'll take all the free advertising you want to pay for! Let me know if you want to pay for some TV commercials, as well.... I have some great ideas! :D
JM
I was left out! >:( Do Friends of the FSP count?
Howdy everyone, Suzann here.....I've been occupied with dysfunctional family issues but have been keeping up to the best of my abilities. I just finished reading this thread and I have to say that as a native New Hampster, I'm very pleased with Seth's edits. I think they are far less argumentative and much more explanatory. They leave you with room for consideration rather than just turning you off and best of all, they make an ass out of the original pamphleteer.
No offense please to the author of the originals. I understand the intent, I just think that this is an opportunity for literal eloquence to speak volumes. Think pre-revolutionary pamphlets...ahh, the language. They could wound with words and I think that needs to be a goal. In my opinion, that can be a strong lure for some potential allies. Of course, please feel free to tell me to go fuck myself!!! Take care everyone!!
DOC format - needs a B&W logo for cheap printing.
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DOC format - needs a B&W logo for cheap printing.
Needs a bunch of editing/cleanup still... I wouldn't distribute this widely yet.
Don't feel bad, Alan. According to the FSP leadership, the member's opinions don't count either.
Well, I already made a pdf. You can change .doc to .pdf for free at adobe.com, if you want to change it more.
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8)
Check-out www.PDF995.com (http://www.pdf995.com) they have a program that allows you to create PDF's from anything you can print on your PC. I've used it for quite a while it works pretty good. You can download the nag-ware version free or buy it for cheap money.
Ship it? Where? Who?
Corrected version (I had a typo)
SPECIAL NOTICE
to
New Hampshire Residents
?Free State Project? members or sympathizers (commonly known as 'Porcupines') may already be in your town or lived there for years!
Many Porcupines want to end eminent domain and zoning abuses so your home can again be safe, secure and private.
Many Porcupines believe in both the 1st and 2nd Amendments, and often all of the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights too.
Many Porcupines want the best education available for everyone, rather than the mass market factory schooling most kids get today.
They find that homeschooling or private schools often do a better job for less cost than your tax dollars spent now on public schools.
Many Porcupines want to help veterans, the poor, the disabled, and other needy individuals, in the best possible means, using human dignity and respect, with a minimum of bureaucracy and wasted money. Often, this is better done through private local charities.
They want to eliminate wasteful programs such as expensive Social Security and Medicare. Replacing these with better methods to help those truly in need, without huge government spending and without raising taxes, is a long term goal of these Porcupines.
Some Porcupines want to see the end of 'victimless' crimes done by consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes. This includes getting rid of our failed War on Drugs. Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking, why continue to expect it to stop anything else?
1 in 10 New Hampshire residents smoke marijuana now (illegally).
Many Porcupines want to reduce government spending, and allow everyone to pay less taxes and better afford to provide themselves and their families with more options. Basic economics show that a 'free market' solution will provide everything now done poorly by government with much better services at less cost.
Who are the Porcupines in your town? Are your neighbors and friends?
Are you? Do you think taxes are high, bureaucracy is rampant, and 'Live Free or Die' is our way of life here for good reason?
Help restore and protect Freedom in our great state!
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Quote from: SethCohn on July 08, 2005, 02:02 PM NHFT
Corrected version (I had a typo)
SPECIAL NOTICE
to
New Hampshire Residents
?Free State Project? members or sympathizers (commonly known as 'Porcupines') may already be in your town or lived there for years!
Many Porcupines want to end eminent domain and zoning abuses so your home can again be safe, secure and private.
Many Porcupines believe in both the 1st and 2nd Amendments, and often all of the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights too.
Many Porcupines want the best education available for everyone, rather than the mass market factory schooling most kids get today.
They find that homeschooling or private schools often do a better job for less cost than your tax dollars spent now on public schools.
Many Porcupines want to help veterans, the poor, the disabled, and other needy individuals, in the best possible means, using human dignity and respect, with a minimum of bureaucracy and wasted money. Often, this is better done through private local charities.
They want to eliminate wasteful programs such as expensive Social Security and Medicare. Replacing these with better methods to help those truly in need, without huge government spending and without raising taxes, is a long term goal of these Porcupines.
Some Porcupines want to see the end of 'victimless' crimes done by consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes. This includes getting rid of our failed War on Drugs. Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking, why continue to expect it to stop anything else?
1 in 10 New Hampshire residents smoke marijuana now (illegally).
Many Porcupines want to reduce government spending, and allow everyone to pay less taxes and better afford to provide themselves and their families with more options. Basic economics show that a 'free market' solution will provide everything now done poorly by government with much better services at less cost.
Who are the Porcupines in your town? Are your neighbors and friends?
Are you? Do you think taxes are high, bureaucracy is rampant, and 'Live Free or Die' is our way of life here for good reason?
Help restore and protect Freedom in our great state!
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Look's good.
Heck, I like both this one, AND the more Libertarian Macho Flash one.
But Seth's edits would probably work better at actually convincing people.
tracy
I must say I find this whole issue quite amusing. I don?t agree with 100% of what you guys do although I do agree with you on the principal of most of what you stand for (I?ve gotten into this briefly with Dada on the Merrimack Forum, I post as Rbarnes there) but as for this flier if I were one of the four mentioned on it I?d stand before the town and say SO WHAT!
I serve on the Merrimack Budget Committee and I?ve been called some nasty things over my views of lower taxes and less government (although when I read some of your views I no longer feel such an extremist). I?ve been called monster for wanting to cut school spending (on NEW things that were never in the prior budgets) even though I have two children and want the best for them. And every time I hear people go after me I gladly say to them vote me out. I would much rather stand and fail supporting ideas I believe in then to be a phony just so I can hold a public office. And when it comes to ideals such as allowing people to choose how to spend their own money rather then having some public knuckle head standing before the town claiming they know how to spend your money better then you do I think most people will support those ideals over that of the knuckleheads.
Quote from: katdillon on July 08, 2005, 12:51 PM NHFT
Ship it? Where? Who?
Send it in to local papers as a letter to the editor addressed as a response to the flying being circulated around town.
8)
Hey guys...just my thought, but thinking it might be wise to wait and hear what Dawn and Bill have to say
about the meeting results.
Again my thought, but just thinking that they would be the best to say if any follow up action is needed.
Remember it is there town, and the flyer was directed at them. :)
Personally just think the government knows best folks are just throwing sh.. at the wall hoping something
sticks, but again believe this is Dawn and Bill's call.
Welcome to the forum lildog
Tracy
Quote from: davemincin on July 08, 2005, 04:58 PM NHFT
Hey guys...just my thought, but thinking it might be wise to wait and hear what Dawn and Bill have to say
about the meeting results.
http://keenesentinel.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=37&ArticleID=72292
Thursday, July 07, 2005
Flier labels officials ?Libertarians?
Melanie Plenda
Sentinel Staff
WINCHESTER ? A flier naming two Winchester selectmen and their secretary as
Libertarians found its way anonymously around town and stuck in at least one
selectman?s craw Wednesday.
The flier claims several Winchester officials, including board secretary Dawn
Lincoln, school board member Bill Campbell, and selectmen Brian D. Moser and
Susan M. Newell are Free State Project members and supporters. The flier also
says that Free Staters want to close all public schools; eliminate social
security; reduce government by getting rid of all public services including
police, fire, ambulance and highway services; legalize drugs and
prostitution; and replace town services with private companies.
Moser issued a statement at the board?s Wednesday meeting.
?These lies are being made in an effort to stop those of us who are trying to
make this town a better place,? Moser said.
?Whoever wrote this: Go to hell.?
According to its Web site, The Free State Project is a movement to get 20,000
Libertarians to move to New Hampshire and ?exert the fullest practical effort
toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is
the protection of life, liberty, and property.?
Free Staters say they believe in less taxation and regulation and the
expansion of individual rights and free markets, the Web site says.
Lincoln said she is an active member of the Free State Project and moved to
New Hampshire from Connecticut to join the cause.
?(The flier) was a gross exaggeration of the truth ... it was just trying to
get people?s feelings up,? Lincoln said. ?I moved to New Hampshire because I
wanted to work with people who believe the way I do about freedom and where
they don?t want big government like they do in Massachusetts. That isn?t what
New Hampshire wants, I don?t think.?
Newell said she is not a member of the Free State Project but also believes
the flier is a ?gross exaggeration of libertarian principles.?
She said that a recent town decision, for example, has encompassed a
libertarian principle: going with a private company to manage its waste.
Newell said though she didn?t run for office on a libertarian platform, she
did run on several libertarian principles, including smaller government and
accountability. She has also posted comments on a local libertarian Web site.
?Libertarians run a whole range,? Newell said. ?I am probably more moderate.?
As for whether Newell is pushing a libertarian agenda, she said, ?I thought
politics were all about political agendas.
?I am conducting the selectmen?s business in accordance with the law,? she
said. ?There is absolutely no way for me to use my office to do anything but
conduct town business.
?I hope people will judge my time as a selectman by my actions and not by
unsubstantiated allegations.?
The online article has a form to post comments...
Hooray!
4 libertarians in town, and out go the fliers! They are scared of FOUR of us!
;D ;D ;D
I wonder who the anonymous coward was that wrote it up. Be sure to bring the counter-flier into any known locations where the original was found.
Maybe we don't need our reply letter......the article said it all 8)
I found a site that helps groups get "the word out" about things for free...
http://www.prweb.com/about.php
Enjoy!
Quote from: SethCohn on July 08, 2005, 05:46 PM NHFT
http://keenesentinel.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=37&ArticleID=72292
Thursday, July 07, 2005
Flier labels officials ?Libertarians?
Melanie Plenda
Sentinel Staff
WINCHESTER ? A flier naming two Winchester selectmen and their secretary as
Libertarians found its way anonymously around town and stuck in at least one
selectman?s craw Wednesday.
Where in the original flier did it mention "Libertarians"? ???
Has anyone heard from Dawn and Bill as to what is going on? The article doesn't tell us much. Is it still safe to move to Winchester?
Marty
As long as your last name isn't "Souter" LOL
Quote from: M. Pennanti on July 10, 2005, 09:34 AM NHFT
Has anyone heard from Dawn and Bill as to what is going on?? The article doesn't tell us much.? Is it still safe to move to Winchester?
Marty
Everything is turning out great according to Bill yesterday 8) ....they are gaining converts :)
one of their opponents was worried that we would send in 400 Free Staters >:D
Quote from: russellkanning on July 10, 2005, 10:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: M. Pennanti on July 10, 2005, 09:34 AM NHFT
Has anyone heard from Dawn and Bill as to what is going on?? The article doesn't tell us much.? Is it still safe to move to Winchester?
Marty
Everything is turning out great according to Bill yesterday 8) ....they are gaining converts :)
one of their opponents was worried that we would send in 400 Free Staters >:D
This is good news! The free spirits of Granite Staters rear their heads. 8)
I gather when they went to the city council meeting the people there were saying, "So what?"
Quote from: Dreepa on July 06, 2005, 11:18 PM NHFT
hmm Maybe I should move to Winchester. ;D
Come on down!
In general, seems to be very little fallout from this, good or bad. The guy I was sooo sure was the one behind it, well, he swears on his children's lives that he had nothing to do with it. Harumph, maybe he did maybe he didn't. Whatever.
We did get to educate one of our good neighbors here about libertarians not being anything like liberals.
Funny how the sentinel decided to include the "L" word, not quite sure why. Oh, what the heck, isn't that what every paper does? I think it was a decent article and don't expect there to be much of anything else going on about this.
Shelly Otterson (also here in Winchester) had suggested that I contact the Sentinel with the flier and to give my comments on it. She called them, they called me, and the rest is history.
I'd say that it's not necessary to take any further action on this. We got some press, which may help some of us in the long run. I'm pretty sure that whatever negativity they were trying to stir up has back fired.
All publicity is good publicity! ;D
Just found this thread . . .
I am glad to have such friends . . .
I am happy!
PS To Dawm, Bill, et al :-* best of luck! Good job.
8)
Quote from: M. Pennanti on July 10, 2005, 09:34 AM NHFTIs it still safe to move to Winchester?
If they don't want you then move to Merrimack. We could use more of you guys in town!
Quote from: M. Pennanti on July 10, 2005, 09:34 AM NHFT
The article doesn't tell us much.? Is it still safe to move to Winchester?
Marty
There has been more news in the Sentinel over the dissention in Winchester.
Did you know there was a movie made about Winchester?
No, what movie was that?
"Winchester 73" ?
Nope! Guess again ;D Wanna hint?
Did part of Jumanji take place in Winchester?
Nope! Wrong again ;D Still not ready for a hint?
Town Torn Apart, A (1992)
Very good...
Have you seen it?
Do you know what it's about?
Googled it.
The true story of Professor Dennis Littky who took the job of principal at Thayer High School in Winchester, New Hampshire. With understanding and compassion, Littky turned a group of downtrodden students into super achievers.
Actors:
- Carole Galloway
- Jill Eikenberry
- Linda Griffiths
- Michael Tucker
87 minutes
Do you know why they called it a "Town Torn Apart"?
http://www.essentialschools.org/cs/resources/view/ces_res/83
Update on the story:
http://www.bigpicture.org/publications/2001archives/projo101.htm
"Here, Thayer, and Everywhere" TV program:
http://www.innovations.harvard.edu/awards.html?id=3617
Maybe we should contact Thayer. He seems to know the value of educational alternatives. ;)
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on July 15, 2005, 10:01 AM NHFT
Maybe we should contact Thayer.? He seems to know the value of educational alternatives.? ;)
I am dubious of a program that Harvard seems to approve of. Small changes are not what is necessary. Wholesale changes are in order.
True. :P
Another fisher cat?
Did you think there was only one? >:D New Hampshire is full of fisher cats. That's how we keep the rodent population down. ;D
This thread was dug up by Russ Marten.
My directly emailed reply to his commentary on it is below (along with his original comment).
Just in case someone out there decides to check it out as a result of his linkage.
My email to Russ:
Mr Martens, since you've decided I'm a real person, I guess I should
stand up like a real person and point out the distortions you've made
in your email, which was kindly passed onto me, since I was mentioned
by name.
The original flyer in question was a very distorted view of 'Free
Stater beliefs' meant as an attack piece against a single person,
using a broad tar and feather stroke. Of course, you and Pam continue
to ignore the fact that truly wacky folks like Mr. Pendvaris don't
truly represent 'Free Staters' or our views. (Given he was thrown out
of the FSP, a rare task indeed, since we're a very accommodating group
with lots of room for diverse opinions, it's fair to say that if
anyone doesn't, he certainly doesn't. He did not move to NH, btw. I
wouldn't want him as my neighbor either.)
Ron Helwig's 'rewrite' was his attempt to counter those distortions,
by turning the 'attack flyer' around into what he felt were more
positive items but, still, as a _parody_ of the original. Like any
partisan opinion, he's entitled to his own take. Keeping that in
mind, the only thing Free Staters _all_ have in common is we've all
agreed to the Statement of Intent:
"I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New
Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort
toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil
government is the protection of life, liberty, and property."
What a crazy and radical idea: "the maximum role of civil
government is protection of life, liberty and property." Why, it
sounds almost like something that wacky Thomas Jefferson and that gang
of his, the Founding Fathers, might think up.
Any other opinions, or interpretations of how to achieve that society,
are solely personal opinions. There is no groupthink, there is no
central planning, there is no consensus. If you get 50 Free Staters
in a room, we don't _all_ agree on much. In fact, you would probably
boil the sole agreement point we have down to that idea above. We
have political types on all sides of the aisle, and apolitical types
who merely want to lead quiet lives as far from the Town Hall and
State House as possible. We have religious folks who attend Church
every Sunday, and are good pious Christian souls, and we have atheists
and agnostics and pagans of all flavors. THERE IS NO CONSENSUS view on
much... are there overall views, that many tend to agree on? Yes.
And some of us understand that and try and keep that in mind,
especially when claiming to speak for 'Free Staters', which none of us
do officially, in any way.
So when someone like me rewrites what someone like Ron wrote, I'm not
just 'water(ing) down the statement to make it more palatable to the
public,' I'm rewriting it to better fit the views of OUR OWN
membership (which after all, was the point of the flyer), some of whom
would still probably disagree with my rewrite.
Yes, I made very clear that "buzzwords like 'socialist' and
'communist' are preaching to the converted, and not to those who don't
understand the issues," because isn't the point of being a good writer
to communicate to those who don't understand, and once reading, will
understand the issues?
As for The Free Lunch Project website, Pam's name was clearly put on
in response to her highly biased article in CounterPunch. A complete
analysis of what was wrong in that article were posted on the FSP
forum (google for it), but Lou's parody was another individual's
response to what was obviously an attack piece, and what goes around,
comes around. Satire is long traditionally a good response, going
back centuries. Or are you going to accuse Jonathan Swift of being a
Free Stater, as well? After all, he wrote a famous piece advocating
the eating of Irish children.
Bill Campbell, a native of New Hampshire, whom I'm proud to consider a
friend, had his personal views long before he ever heard of the Free
State Project, or met Dawn. His being a 'supporter' of the FSP isn't
a radical notion, given that many native New Hampshire folks feel that
same way. In fact, if you asked many native New Hampshire people if
they agreed with the beliefs in the flyer as I reworked it - bringing
it to the points of common ground, you'd likely get a lot of nods in
agreement with many of those positions.
The core values of most Free Staters tend to be core New Hampshire
native values: local control, low taxes, personal responsibility,
staying out of other peoples business, being a good neighbor.
I know Bill stands for those values. I try to stand for those values.
How about you?
Yours,
Seth Cohn
and yes, I'm a real person.
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> From: Russ
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:14 PM
> Subject: It's Foolish to Say Bill Campbell is Not a Free Stater
>
> Here's the bombshell link to the discussion board called New Hampshire
> Underground. This is a forum for Free State Project supporters run by Kat
> and Russell Kanning who publish the New Hampshire Free Press. This is a
> cache of the discussion that took place when Dawn was outed as a Free Stater
> in Winchester, with Dawn herself participating in this forum. (Note that the
> person who outed her in Winchester is the "coward" but lying about her
> agenda is apparently okay.) It says that Bill Campbell is a Free State
> supporter and Dawn doesn't dispute that. If you read each page, clicking to
> the next page at the bottom, you will see the maniacal way this group
> works. First they want to issue a rebuttal with their true agenda,
> legalizing prostitution, gutting public education, social security, etc.
> Ron Helwig who drafts this rebuttal is a real person as are all the full
> names listed here. (Helwig was involved with trying to get New Hampshire
> businesses to use a currency created by these "freedom lovers" instead of
> the U.S. currency.) Notice Dawn has no argument with this outrageous agenda
> mapped out by Helwig. If you keep going from page to page, you see that
> Seth Cohn then waters down the statement to make it more palatable to the
> public. (Seth is a real person.)
>
> http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0)
Ian may be poisoning the well, but Seth is watering it down! :o
Quote from: Friday on February 12, 2010, 01:59 PM NHFT
Ian may be poisoning the well, but Seth is watering it down! :o
ROFLMAO...
I had the feeling last summer when I wrote this that it would continue to remain relevant:
YA BEEN TARGETED ("Ya Got Trouble" (often called "Trouble in River City"))
COPYRIGHT 2009 by Sam A. Robrin or whoever the hell it is who writes these things. Go ahead and use it (Hey, I lifted the melody!), but if you make a little money on it, I want some!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qam1fbQmA_s&feature=related#)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bW76kt6cQ8#)
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg210811#msg210811 (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg210811#msg210811)
http://www.counterpunch.org/martens04272009.html (http://www.counterpunch.org/martens04272009.html)
Either you've remained tolerant of
An invading army using buzzwords of "liberty" and "freedom,"
Or you've rolled out the red carpet
To tens of thousands of free market extremists.
We-e-e-l-l-l, you've been Targeted, m'man, blown back!
I say, Targeted, POW! in seventeen cities.
Yes the US has some problems,
Sure as shootin', and I'm the first,
You bet!, the first one to admit it.
And the time that I've spent
Writing Congressmen will prove I am.
Used the system to change things,
Help the pooor folks, and keep orrrder.
Ever take time off from work
To petition your senator
For a brand-new spending bill?
Well, let me tell you,
You need adult perspectives in the real world
Of partisan politics.
You know, anyone can criticize
Without a plan for change,
And that's immature--
Your first clue of their insidious plot
To promote pure anarchism!
You'll see--first they're challenging speeding tickets in court--
Then unlicensed puppets!
Then it's one short step
To supporting can't-win third-party candidates
Like Ron Paul,
And taking cash bribes from behind-the-scenes special interests.
Getting talking points about unfettered markets--
Not a state-run industry, No!
But a free-for-all where they do as they please.
Some tailored, gem-fingered mogul stealing
Bread from the mouths of widowed orphans--
Not in my America!
And in case you still don't get it:
We've got one, two, three, four guaranteed freedoms (speech, worship, want, fear)--
If anyone asks for more,
He's a flat-out Terrorist
With a capital T,
And that rhymes with "free,"
And that flouts the law!
And the area residents of New Hampshire,
Known for their tolerance,
No end to their stoic, granite tolerance!
Tolerating Free State protests, ar-rests, PorcFests, too!
Make a bid for attention,
And to Hell with the laws that they don't like,
And the jobs they don't have, and their scruffy clothing,
To Hell with paying their fair share of taxes
Till the babies are starved and the cops unfunded
And the crooks run wild, and you're Targeted--
You're the outside agitators' Targets.
And they started the Grafton GAY-zette newspaper,
Spoiled children, hawking the agenda,
And silencing the opposition--Targets!
In seventeen cities,
Targets! With a capital T
And that rhymes with "free,"
And that flouts the law!
See, New Hampshire wasn't picked for its "Live Free" motto--
It was chosen because of you:
The most ignorant residents of any state;
Defenseless as schoolgirls when it comes to politics!
They'll be open carrying! Free speaking!
Doing whatever they want because it's their property!
And crowing all about
How they're going to eliminate the Nanny State.
Which to their way of thinking includes public education
To be replaced with home schooling! Unabombers!
No zoning boards, no building codes,
Inspections, and every essential government function
That's protecting their right to swarm New Hampshire--
In-vasion!
It's the most audacious corporate-backed social experiment in living memory!
CROWD: We've been Targeted!
In seventeen cities!
With a capital T,
And that rhymes with "free"
And that flouts the law!
They've drawn a big bull's eye
On the "Live Free or Die" State
Let's kill 'em!
It's the most cynical, sneaky
Coup we ever saw!
People of New Hampshire!
These promises of more "freedoms" sound eerily familiar.
Coming from uninvited liberators secretly backed by special interests!
They've decided to come into towns
Presenting themselves as "mainstream,"
Then get elected to local boards and civic organizations,
And slowly chip away at established society
By gutting funding!
Soon, they'll legalize Gambling! Drug handling!
Price gouging! Dueling!
Incest! CANNIBALISM!
Well, that proves, my friends,
You've been Targeted!
In seventeen cities!
With a capital T,
And that rhymes with "free"
And that flouts the law!
We've been targeted!
In seventeen cities!
Got to call them out in the middle of Main Street and tell them to "Draw!"
CROWD: Oh, we've been Targeted!
By terrible terrorists!
These courtroom antics they're pulling now are the last damn straw!
We've been Targeted, by Terrible Terrorists!
T! T! T! And the rhyme is on "Free"
And that flouts the law!
Listen, folks, I'm outing this plan just in the nick of time!
YA BEEN TARGETED (REPRISE)
COPYRIGHT 2009 by Sam A. Robrin or whoever the hell it is who writes these things. Go ahead and use it (Hey, I lifted the melody!), but if you make a little money on it, I want some!
Shifting into damage control mode! Damage control!
I can stop this scheme to take over by force,
With the first in-depth look at their plan.
I pounded a twenty-year beat
As a journalist on Wall Street
And I can institute a total Free State Project ban.
The self-reinforcing spiral of growing unemployment and home foreclosures
Creates an urgent need to reinforce sound, but reasonable, zoning ordinances.
"Designationandreservationunderamasterplanoflanduse . . ."
We can fight this extremist brand of free market capitalism
That the corporate backers hope will lead
To a gutting of business regulations,
And return the state to the right wing of the Republican fold.
Zoning laws'll do it up right, you bet!
Just some zoning laws, nice-n-legal.
I vow New Hampshire's going to have zoning laws
As a means to a bright new tomorrow.
I'll rescue you all from their grasping claws
With a convoluted code of new zoning laws,
We can weed out the undesirable element,
Clear the way for right-thinking types:
Taxpayers, conformists, followers, sheep!
And you'll be part of something greater than yourself,
And no better or different than anyone else,
And you'll swell with pride!
"My country 'tis of thee . . ."
And you'll experience the same patriotic surge I did
During my internship when Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy,
John McCain, Newt Gingrich, and Barack Hussein Obama
Taught me the ropes of writing legislation:
[Segue into]
SEVENTEEN HUNDRED PAGES ("Seventy-six Trombones")
COPYRIGHT 2009 by Sam A. Robrin or whoever the hell it is who writes these things. Go ahead and use it (Hey, I lifted the melody!), but if you make a little money on it, I want some!
Seventeen hundred pages of zoning codes,
And you'll need six thick law lexicons.
It's a relentless trudge
Through the bureaucratic sludge--
We can make it tougher than Bataan's.
Seventeen hundred statutes, and more to come--
See: "as amended from time to time."
And if you miss just one,
We'll come for you with a gun.
Non-compliance is the basest crime.
There'll be coppers watching every minuscule detail,
Rifling, stifling all signs of dissent;
Children trained as snitches following your trail
If you fail serving the government.
We'll found secret agencies to haunt your every move,
Tailing you, jailing you if you won't conform,
Taking orders from above,
To ultimately rid us of
The weirdos who differ from the norm.
Seventeen thousand outcasts run out of here,
And a million and four more blocked coming in.
We can at last create
A right-thinking people's state,
Only no one remains now to begin!
maniacal is a bit of a stretch ..... some of us are just crazy :)
i guess this guy found out that Dawn moved because of the FSP .... wow what a scoop
that then leads him to find that some of us want complete personal freedom for ourselves and many persecuted minorities ... well ... get used to the idea
That is going to be my new tag line.
Seth Cohn watering it down for the rest of us.
who elected seth to speak for us .... we actually do all the stuff they accuse us of and patk is the shadowy character known as Mr Big
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 13, 2010, 04:44 AM NHFT
who elected seth to speak for us .... we actually do all the stuff they accuse us of and patk is the shadowy character known as Mr Big
I'M afraid it's true I do cast a big shadow.
PatK is Mr. Biggles?