According to this statute:
RS 286:1 (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXIV/286/286-1.htm)
it is illegal in New Hampshire it exhibit a puppet show for pay without a license (among other things including rope-dancing and card tricks).
Outlaw puppeteer anyone? I can think of some appropriate themes for the puppet story.
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uggg... i forgot to list contact info on some of the news releases:
for the uninitiated...my number is 603 721 1490 and I"m dave ridley
mackler (or admin) could you post this message at the end of mackler's message on the top of this thread?
Scene in a NH prison.......
Big burly Bubba Lifer prisoner: "Watch ya in for?"
Mackler: "Illegal Puppet Show!"
Here's another one:
In the city of Manchester, it is illegal to exhibit "natural or artificial curiosities" outdoors after 10:00 pm or indoors before 9:00 am without a license. Ordinances § 111.71 (http://www.manchesternh.gov/CityGov/CLK/files/9674C3D263A04B89846F4CC61A40C6C9.pdf)
And even with a license it is illegal to do so for more than two days in a row.
I think those are excellent cases for CD. It's much easier to build the rep you want by starting with the cases that most people would agree are stupid. Also, the more you keep the politickians busy with little crap like that, the less time they have to push nasty stuff on us all.
Mackler scares me...he looks like Rasputin. ;)
Quote from: ancapagency on April 04, 2008, 07:52 AM NHFT
I think those are excellent cases for CD. It's much easier to build the rep you want by starting with the cases that most people would agree are stupid. Also, the more you keep the politickians busy with little crap like that, the less time they have to push nasty stuff on us all.
Keeping them busy is right. This statute (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXIV/286/286-5.htm) makes it mandatory for town selectmen to prosecute
every illegal puppet-show. I would find it highly amusing if an outlaw puppeteer sued the city for not imposing the penalty on him.
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT
I would find it highly amusing if an outlaw puppeteer sued the city for not imposing the penalty on him.
That would be hilarious!
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT
I would find it highly amusing if an outlaw puppeteer sued the city for not imposing the penalty on him.
OMG... that could be...
hugeWMUR & NECN would cover it, at very least. Could go national.
Fucking gorgeous.
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 07:04 AM NHFT
Outlaw puppeteer anyone?
I nominate Dave Ridley and his authoritarian beastie.
ok i am looking into this. The main problem i would see with me doing this is i think there is a good chance if i don't do it....one of you will. i can always do the tsa thing. one of you can always do this. I'm not likely to do both.
but my gosh we could really make this rock...
those are my first impressions.
Oh look! She's a natural. She looks just like a puppet.
(http://www.nga.org/Images/AM07SUNECW02.JPG)
You think she's a puppet... you should the the sorry stiff wooden pawns upon whose strings she pulls:
This man is a puppet and tool of the NH Attorney General.
(http://www.janewayforsenate.com/images/Harold-1.jpg) (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/senate/members/senate07.asp)
Here's another thought: if enforcement is mandatory (supposedly), what if a couple hundred people coordinated and put an outlaw puppet show on every street corner in town at once?
Actually, I don't know if I like that idea. If all the cops in town were enforcing the anti-puppet-show law, it might encourage some actual real crime while they're distracted. I'd hate to get blamed for the successful escape of a bank robber or something.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 04, 2008, 09:54 AM NHFT
kelly ayotte could be one of the puppets and we could do it right outside her office since she's probably the prosecuting arm.
Town selectmen are the ones required to enforce the law. The puppet show could be right outside the town hall during a meeting of the selectmen. Someone could go into the meeting and report on the crime emergency transpiring outside, etc.
what are some things her office has prosecuted people for that are victimless and innocuous besides mike fisher?
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Kelly-Blah-Blah.gif)
Going after Julia...
I'm sure that either of the broken-record posters, USMC what's-his-name that always posts about suicide, and Gerard Beloin, both would count themselves as people abused by the AG
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 12:09 PM NHFT
If all the cops in town were enforcing the anti-puppet-show law, it might encourage some actual real crime while they're distracted. I'd hate to get blamed for the successful escape of a bank robber or something.
But wouldn't that just further demonstrate how stupid the law is?
Quote from: dalebert on April 04, 2008, 12:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 12:09 PM NHFT
If all the cops in town were enforcing the anti-puppet-show law, it might encourage some actual real crime while they're distracted.
But wouldn't that just further demonstrate how stupid the law is?
No... it wouldn't
just demonstrate the stupidity, for the reason mackler noted.
OTOH, bringing suit against the Aldermen
would demonstrate the stupidity, and have no broader, unintended, adverse impact (that I can imagine).
Quote from: d_goddard on April 04, 2008, 01:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on April 04, 2008, 12:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 12:09 PM NHFT
If all the cops in town were enforcing the anti-puppet-show law, it might encourage some actual real crime while they're distracted.
But wouldn't that just further demonstrate how stupid the law is?
No... it wouldn't just demonstrate the stupidity, for the reason mackler noted.
OTOH, bringing suit against the Aldermen would demonstrate the stupidity, and have no broader, unintended, adverse impact (that I can imagine).
In the words of Russell...
You should do that.
I wouldn't go to the NHLA forum and lobby for CD. ;D
Does anyone want to be the puppeteer for this if not me?
Who thinks this is a better idea than the TSA protest ?
Does anyone have some puppets?
if profits are made from the endeavor, who should be the beneficiary?
If the puppeteer is the benficiary, that would make it easier to trigger an arrest and easier to come back repeatedly in the absence of an arrest. In other words, it would make the disobedience more sustainable.
If some pro liberty organization is the beneficiary, that would help advertise the organization and would make it clear the pupeteer is not motivated by greed.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 04, 2008, 01:59 PM NHFT
I wouldn't go to the NHLA forum and lobby for CD. ;D
Of course not. The guy who started this thread already took care of that for ya ;)
If the puppeteer were not to be the beneficiary of profits, then I had three ideas for organizations that could benefit:
1) NHFree.com
2) FIJA.org
3) The primary Ron Paul meetup group for New Hampshire: http://ronpaul.meetup.com/6/
if we used number three we'd need to make sure they had a proper url first like NH4RonPaul or something.
Your thoughts?
Quote from: dalebert on April 04, 2008, 12:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 12:09 PM NHFT
If all the cops in town were enforcing the anti-puppet-show law, it might encourage some actual real crime while they're distracted. I'd hate to get blamed for the successful escape of a bank robber or something.
But wouldn't that just further demonstrate how stupid the law is?
How about instead of a bunch of people all doing this in one town all at once, several people did it, one after the other? I remember when the manicurist thing happened, they ended up not repealing the law but just decreasing the licensing requirements. Now imagine if people kept breaking the stupid law, over and over, until they got rid of it completely...
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on April 04, 2008, 10:48 AM NHFT
Oh look! She's a natural. She looks just like a puppet.
(http://www.nga.org/Images/AM07SUNECW02.JPG)
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/03/23/snl-works-ann-coulter-whats-b-talking-about-sketch
"View video here". ________
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT
Quote from: ancapagency on April 04, 2008, 07:52 AM NHFT
I think those are excellent cases for CD. It's much easier to build the rep you want by starting with the cases that most people would agree are stupid. Also, the more you keep the politickians busy with little crap like that, the less time they have to push nasty stuff on us all.
Keeping them busy is right. This statute (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXIV/286/286-5.htm) makes it mandatory for town selectmen to prosecute every illegal puppet-show. I would find it highly amusing if an outlaw puppeteer sued the city for not imposing the penalty on him.
Thanks "Rasputin". ;)
And in reference to the 286:1 Showman "for pay" over at http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-XXIV-286.htm I see now how "they" take R.S.A. Ch. 286:2 out of context, that reads that: "No...drama...shall be performed...upon any public street or way, and no open-air public meeting upon any ground abutting thereon, shall be permitted, unless a special license thereof shall be obtained from the selectmen of the town or from the issuing committee from cities herein provided for."
I think this is THE statute (286:2) the State House guards read BEFORE they charge out of their guard dog house of a State House to those demonstrators on the lawn asking: Ver R Yer Papers? You got a permit? THEN when the demos say no: we don't need no stinkin' permit, they go back inside to consult with their "legal counsel" A.G. Ayotte et al, who tells the "dogs" that the demos are right and to leave them alone to do their Art. 22, N.H. Free Speech plus Assembly as guaranteed by the First Amendment; emphasis on not speech, as by acting or drama is body language too, and so the word: "free" as in not a "fee"! 8) so NOT to take 286:2 out of context, away from section 1. So when your free speech turns into pay speech or acting withOUT a license THEN it can result in that RSA 286:5 penalty of a misdemeanor of up to a year in jail and a $2,000 fine if Class A, or just up to a $1,000 fine if Class B, and :"they" like you to think that the "opinion" is a final "decision" by their District Court judge, but if you ever get charged with such, be sure to claim your right to a jury trial by Article III, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution for "all" crimes, not just major and minor crimes of Class A + B respectfully. And Art. 18 for the penalty to be proportional to the offense.
But the question still remains in RSA Ch. 105:9,I http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/VII/105/105-9.htm of: Is such a puppet act a carnival? Of course not! A carnival is "A traveling amusement show." So if you've not traveled in from elsewhere, like going from point A to point C, stopping here at point B, your show of singular duration is not really "A public exhibition or entertainment" as for that definition #4 for the word show @ page 646 of "The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language" (c)1973, but that other definition #1 of "A display; demonstration", the latter word of "to point out" but not take in, as money therefrom the pointing out. When the latter happens and withOUT this application for police attendance, then whatever misdemeanor above can increase to this "violation" of up to an additional $1,000, so watch out IF you start charging money, but in the meantime to dare them to what? take 286:2 OUT of context? Or in other words to dare them to take the rifle approach, rather than the shotgun approach? *
Good luck, - - Joe
* Compare this to the Ed Brown case and those of the supporters, trying to get the judge to acknowledge he has no jurisdictional authority as from 1-8-17 U.S. Const. to N.H. RSA Ch. 123:1. The judge, in effect, has no peripheral vision (as is a part of vision that occurs outside the very center of gaze.) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/peripheral_vision of the rod and cone cells, or the periphery and concentrated mostly in the center of the retina respectfully. Or in other words: the judge is like a Beldar Conehead from S.N.L. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106598/
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 07:48 AM NHFT
Here's another one:
In the city of Manchester, it is illegal to exhibit "natural or artificial curiosities" outdoors after 10:00 pm or indoors before 9:00 am without a license. Ordinances § 111.71 (http://www.manchesternh.gov/CityGov/CLK/files/9674C3D263A04B89846F4CC61A40C6C9.pdf)
And even with a license it is illegal to do so for more than two days in a row.
Yeah! This looks like a good one to test out. At least from the start.
Since any exhibit, performance or other show (in the singular) is not a shows (in the plural), as like a carnival with many shows therein the boundary of their property, then Manchester Ordinance Sec. 111.71 on page 33 of 98 does NOT apply.
But they might think so, but then again if not on any public street or way, as not on the sidewalk, nor on the steps leading up to or in and toward a clerk's office, etc., then O.K. in the alcove, right? And so not an RSA Ch. 286:1 crime either on the ground and in the open-air, when performed indoors.
Yup, that's the place to be: in the alcove of IN-side a public building with the puppet show, and like from 8:00 to 9:00 o'clock a.m. when they're open, as the prohibited time.
Although Sec. 111.71 (A) makes reference to Sec. 111.75(B)(1) [on page 34 of 98] over to the Sec. 111.99(C)(4) penalty of up to a $1,000 fine, [on page 38 of 98], that ONLY applies to a violation of the OUTdoor section of 111.71(A); and per each "15-minute period." There is NO penalty for indoor violation(s). So in other words: that would just be a waste of time if your intentions are to dare them to do anything, as they are not required to fine and prosecute.
Its giving the municipality the authority to require a license on municipal properties used in for-profit ventures.
can anyone look into the law a little more closely to absolutely ensure that a puppet show for pay, in front of the the AG's office would in fact be illegal? would it be illegal if held on private property with the consent of the owner?
also does anyone have any puppets that are absolutely clearly puppets? anyone have a copy of "the night thoreau spent in jail?" any one have a *digital* copy of that play? the ag's office is at 33 capitol street....can anyone tell me if the sidewalk in front of that office is right of way or state house grounds? which jail would a person be taken to, and then held at pending trial, if arrested at this spot for this lawbreaking?
do you think it would be beneficial to bill this as a bunch of ron paul supporters gathering to do the civil disobedience he has vaguely called for?
also can someone tell us more about this bill that was voted down, which would have repealed some archane laws? how did the democrats vote on this comapred to republicans?
if we did this, it would be nice if we were able to tie it in to the democrats' nanny state votes, show mounting opposition to democrat control in concord, AND pull in the interest of the RP community.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 06, 2008, 11:11 AM NHFT
can anyone look into the law a little more closely to absolutely ensure that a puppet show for pay, in front of the the AG's office would in fact be illegal?
It's purely a licensing issue.
It must be done "for pay" without a license to be illegal.
You could even just do ventriloquism or "tumbling" to get the same violation.
The statute is very simple:
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXIV/286/286-1.htm
Quote286:1 Showmen. – No showman, tumbler, rope dancer, ventriloquist or other person shall, for pay, exhibit any feats of agility, horsemanship, sleight of hand, rope dancing or feats with cards, or any animals, wax figures, puppets or other show, or promote any public competition, without a license from the selectmen of the town.
The penalty is a "misdemeanor". Doesn't say what kind, but given the severity of the crime, I assume it would be prosecuted as "misdemeanor 'A'": same as 1 marijuana seed, ie, up to $1,000 and 1 year in jail.
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXIV/286/286-5.htm
Quote286:5 Penalty. – Whoever violates the provisions of RSA 286:1-4 shall be guilty of a misdemeanor if a natural person, or guilty of a felony if any other person. It shall be the duty of the selectmen to prosecute for every violation of this chapter.
That last sentence probably meant to indicate who should prosecute (ie, who brings the charges forward), but taking it literally (which is always appropriate when dealing with laws) would well mean the selectmen are breaking the law if they fail to do so.
I would therefore suggest giving the selectmen plenty of advance notice. Along with the media, of course.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 06, 2008, 11:11 AM NHFT
do you think it would be beneficial to bill this as a bunch of ron paul supporters gathering to do the civil disobedience he has vaguely called for?
No. This is really nothing to do with RP, Ghandi, or any other politician.
I continue to find it funny that civil disobedience is being explored as an avenue for advancing Republican politics. ;D Law and Order guys tend to be Republican. It's just sort of funny to me. You're trying to advance the political career of the people who are frowning at your shenanigans. :)
Quote from: Caleb on April 06, 2008, 11:30 AM NHFT
I continue to find it funny that civil disobedience is being explored as an avenue for advancing Republican politics. ;D Law and Order guys tend to be Republican. It's just sort of funny to me. You're trying to advance the political career of the people who are frowning at your shenanigans. :)
Republicans are the ones talking about the necessity of CivDis.
Well, if you can call Vaillancourt or Paul "Republicans"... they're really libertarians not-so-secretly joining the (R) party to get elected & get visibility.
If I were trying to weasel out of prosecuting this I'd focus on the meaning of 'for pay'. In one sense, "I paid you one cent to see the puppet show" is in violation of the law. In another sense, "that puppet show cost $250 to put on, but we only made $1.25 on it so it didn't really pay to do it" might get the Selectmen off the hook and a judge who wanted to be rid of this thing might agree.
So, if you're serious about getting in trouble, be sure to make a profit on it, at least covering materials, travel at IRS rates, and minimum-wages. Granted, this makes the effort more difficult and you may succeed in getting in trouble with the first meaning.
Also, the association of puppetry with children could work either way. On one hand, "these guys were just putting on shows for children and had an open guitar case" causes sympathy, but "these guys were using children to advance their political agenda" doesn't. Same coin, two sides; be prepared to spin or be spun.
If the risk of the latter is real you could simply exploit the 'rope dancing' aspect of the legislation. Set up a boombox, and jump rope with the guitar case open. Bonus points for concurrent occurrences all over the state. Double bonus points for having Guy Fawkes masks, though early November can be pretty cold for jumping rope outside. ;)
Quote from: JosephSHaas on April 06, 2008, 09:54 AM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT
Quote from: ancapagency on April 04, 2008, 07:52 AM NHFT
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Thanks "Rasputin". ;)
And in reference to the 286:1 Showman "for pay" over at http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-XXIV-286.htm I see now how "they" take R.S.A. Ch. 286:2 out of context, that reads that: "No...drama...shall be performed...upon any PUBLIC* street or way, and no open-air PUBLIC* meeting upon any [_____*] ground abutting thereon, shall be permitted, unless a special license thereof shall be obtained from the selectmen of the town or from the issuing committee from cities herein provided for." ....
* Emphasis ADDed for the two PUBLIC words above, and that word implied for "any" meaning any PUBLIC or PRIVATE "ground" that abuts said PUBLIC street or way.
I can understand of that word "any" meaning possibly applicable to a PRIVATE piece of land, as per a traffic jam getting to and from there at said special event, thus needing a C.O.P. to direct traffic, BUT when under #___ people like in a demonstration, I don't think so on PRIVATE land NOT affecting the PUBLIC other than to draw attention from some drivers-by, but that's what the political sign holders were doing at the corner of Centre Street where it turns into Loudon Road on North Main Street in Concord by the Holiday Inn and the Prescription Center diagonally across from the traffic lights, during the Primary back in January. Did any of them have a puppet dangling from their sign? like a noose around the effigy of Bush's neck? 8) The signs were moving within arm's length of their stance, and so don't puppet masters have the same equal rights to the same amount of space?
To check out the property card over at City Hall, just a hop, skip and a jump away from the A.G.'s Office that I think is in rented space from their landlord: The Laconia Savings Bank, and so on PRIVATE property, and with a street light there, so needing no hiring of a private C.O.P.
Go fer it! Maybe the State House Trooper who parks his cruiser there will let you use the roof of his car as a base from which to hang fishing poles from. I kind of doubt it, but maybe that vehicle is on the scrap list heading over to the State Auction Barn on Clinton Street. >:D
so....would it be inappropriate to hold this in front of the ag's office? because of her not being the one who would prosecute it?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 06, 2008, 04:31 PM NHFT
so....would it be inappropriate to hold this in front of the ag's office? because of her not being the one who would prosecute it?
It'd be more poignant to do it in front of a Selectmen's meeting.
again can someone tell me more about this failed bill aimed at eliminating arcane laws? would it have addressed, or potentially addressed, the pupeteering restrictions?
were democrats clearly more culpable in killing it than republicans?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 07, 2008, 07:36 AM NHFT
again can someone tell me more about this failed bill aimed at eliminating arcane laws?
http://www.generalcourt.org/bills/2008/HB1347.html
AN ACT establishing a committee to review the Revised Statutes Annotated and recommend revision or removal of obsolete laws or references.
Status: HOUSE - INEXPEDIENT TO LEGISLATE (DEAD)
Which jail would a person end up in if they got arrested outside concord city hall? on state house grounds? outside manchester city hall?
i tend to think it would be better to make this a state issue rather than showing up in front of some hapless bunch of selectmen....those guys have no culpability for these laws being on the books and aren't really law enforcement either. the state house *is* culpable since it's been blocking attempts to remove the laws.
also we'd be perhaps allied with selectmen on this issue since they aren't going to like any law that requires them to do something. This one requires them to enforce it correct?
it Does look like this law would have been a candidate for repeal if this bill had passed and the repeal commission formed.
What are your thoughts with regard to doing this on state house property? they could make the arrest on trespass charges instead of pupeteering, but then that's another issue that needs bringing up anyay. how big is the right of way in front of the state house? if we puppetted there that would at least ensure we are only breaking the pupeteering law and not some state-property anti-protest regulation. the latter may need breaking but it would be better to do separately to get more bang for the buck.
can someone name a case or two in new hampshire where an obsolete, supposedly unenforced, law has been used to prosecute someone, say, in the last 10 years?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 06, 2008, 11:11 AM NHFT
can anyone look into the law a little more closely to absolutely ensure that a puppet show for pay, in front of the the AG's office would in fact be illegal? would it be illegal if held on private property with the consent of the owner?
Write a letter to the A.G and ask her.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 07, 2008, 01:53 PM NHFT
...how big is the right of way in front of the state house? ....
The R.O.W. is #___ feet wide and is those five paths leading up to the front steps; three paths starting from the North Main Street sidewalk by the arch and to the right and left, or north and south of the arch; plus those paths from both Park Street to the north, and Capitol Street from the south.
JSH
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 07, 2008, 03:33 PM NHFT
can someone name a case or two in new hampshire where an obsolete, supposedly unenforced, law has been used to prosecute someone, say, in the last 10 years?
Yes, I've been prosecuted against (1) in the Fall of 1992 by the case-law of "Champerty" that was taken off the books by the Supremes by the Adken case of the Spring of 1992* [see the State v. Haas case #_____ from the Grafton Co. Sup. Ct. to the Supremes; and (2) that statute of "Improper Influence" RSA Ch. ____ that was declared unconstitutional ten years prior to the prosecution against me in Fall 2004 of State v. Haas, #04-S-____** at Merrimack County Superior Court but still kept on the books.
JSH
-* thanks to Rep. Rbt. Rowe of the House Judiciary, Probate Judge retired who told Rep. Dick Marple of Hooksett (my friend and retired State Trooper) on his Champerty bill to look into the history of this by the case-law printout of such from over at the State Library.
** thanks to an astute attorney by the name of: Ted Barnes of #___ Court Street, Concord by the Merrimack County Superior Court who was keenly sensitive to sniffing out the county case(*) of State v. ________ of the man whose case determined it to be unconstitutional, and so they/ the Legislators had to either get rid of the statute or beef it up by putting in exact titles, like now if you "threaten"* certain Constitutional officers of the government, it's now not merely a misdemeanor but a felony!
* a threat is a coercion of to put somebody into an involuntary situation, so when you give them a choice of to like do your job "or" you will be impeached, then by the use of the "or" word, it is NOT a threat since there is no RSA 21:2 technical definition of the word, see: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/I/21/21-2.htm
(*) These county cases never make it to the N.H. Supreme Court for entry into the N.H. REPORTS, and so you've got to do the digging for such at each and every lower level of the ten county courts, that might keep an index, but privileged to those chosen few of the N.H. Bar, a practice that Theodore Kamisinski tried to fix a few years ago but they ran him out of town.
joe can you send me links to the laws you were prosecuted for allegedly breaking
and summarize in one sentence or less what you did to break them?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 08, 2008, 07:47 AM NHFT
joe can you send me links to the laws you were prosecuted for allegedly breaking
and summarize in one sentence or less what you did to break them?
David, See: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-LXII-640.htm for these seven "CORRUPT PRACTICES:" including RSA Ch. 640:3 over at http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/640/640-3.htm
Notice that it was a House/Senate Bill #____ in 2006 for its effective date of Jan. 1, 2007, so only a year and a quarter on the books with #___ cases unknown with the victims/ assailants being or having been prosecuted under.
A friend of mine: Gus Breton, the carpenter from Manchester (was Bow, Rte. 3A about a divorce case where his neighbor wanted his wife and land as an easier access road to his back lot) who came to me as a co-founder of VOCALS, Inc. [Victims of a Corrupt American Legal System], was later kept in jail beyond the Rule #__ for a "Speedy Trial" of four months, and so I first complained to Jim Duggan, the Judge who came down from the Supremes to Superior Court in Concord to tell him to check his arithmetic as wrong of NOT almost 4 months, but OVER 4 months, but him being a dunce about it, pretending not to hear my verbal complaint in the courtroom, and the Investigator for the A.G. Mike Bahan, saying what an "asshole" I was to even bring this up to the "honorable" judge!
Then when I went to the Attorney General's office and started talking about "Let my People Go" as Moses would have said, she thought that I was going to conjure up some plague cloud to go after her first born infant daughter by midnight so she/ Kelly Ayotte filled out some Affidavit for an Arrest Warrant, and the Concord Police goon-squad did visit me at my office with video tape going to try to get evidence should I had resisted arrest.
I later won the case, after my family having put up $25,000 cash bail, or else I too would have had to sit it out for months in jail in Boscawen before finally being found: NOT GUILTY, thanks to Attorney Ted Barnes of Court Street, Concord , as I've said.
Yours truly, - Joe
P.S. You should have been there in Concord District Court when my attorney asked the COP on the stand for HOW I was supposed to have been some magician to conjure up a plague cloud to attack her daughter! Hilarious, just bizarre! And the COP had never heard of this The Ten Plagues of Egypt story in the Bible. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
note: moral of the story that wishing thinking is not a crime, but then again the George Orwellian "Nineteen Eighty Four" and Double-Speakers will have you run the gauntlet anyway when you're the miner's canary or like a Town Crier saying that the law or statute is broken and you want it fixed, or you MIGHT suffer the same consequences as those from history.
one thing i still need to know that is important: can someone name for me a case where someone was prosecuted for harmlessly violating an obscure or obsolete law in the last ten years?
i'd like to include that in any note i might write as a news release or what not.
if no such thing has ever happened it would make this type of civil dis harder to sell.
Can someone tell me how many laws NH has? how many pages of laws? what time do the legislators usually break for lunch on days where there are a series of house floor votes? Is there any chance they would be done for the day before 12:30 p.m. on 4/23?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 12, 2008, 11:34 AM NHFT
Can someone tell me how many laws NH has? how many pages of laws? what time do the legislators usually break for lunch on days where there are a series of house floor votes? Is there any chance they would be done for the day before 12:30 p.m. on 4/23?
Not in conventional terms, but this might be useful:—
The entire RSA site, as of 2008-03-02, is
164,548 KiB. (I downloaded the entire thing locally, for reference.) Since the laws are included on their own section pages, and on a "merged" page containing all the laws under an entire title, that's about twice the actual amount of text contained therein.
i determine that to mean 820k worth of laws, or roughly 330 pages
what do you think?
using your document could you work up an estimate as to how many laws there are?
Move that decimal over a bit. More like 82,274 KiB, give or take—meaning 80.3 MiB of laws. :o
With what I have, I can strip out the markup, skip over the merged and table-of-contents files, and run a word-count on the text, to get a better number... I'll get back to you on that tomorrow or Monday.
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 07:04 AM NHFT
it is illegal in New Hampshire it exhibit a puppet show for pay without a license (among other things including rope-dancing and card tricks).
One of the most ridiculous laws I've ever heard of.
Quote from: Luke S on April 12, 2008, 10:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 07:04 AM NHFT
it is illegal in New Hampshire it exhibit a puppet show for pay without a license (among other things including rope-dancing and card tricks).
One of the most ridiculous laws I've ever heard of.
Perhaps it's to prevent puppeteers from living in their own fantasylands, and to prevent broken puppets from being strewn about the streets...
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 12, 2008, 11:06 AM NHFT
one thing i still need to know that is important: can someone name for me a case where someone was prosecuted for harmlessly violating an obscure or obsolete law in the last ten years?
i'd like to include that in any note i might write as a news release or what not.
if no such thing has ever happened it would make this type of civil dis harder to sell.
Not in New Hampshire, but I do remember one time waking up at 1:00 AM in Petoskey, Michigan to the sound of police sirens on New Year's Eve/Day, and I remember looking out my window, and I saw the police had pulled over this guy, and I forget what they had originally pulled him over for, but they said that they were also going to write him a ticket for having expired tags on his license plate. And then I hear him say "Oh, you've got to be kidding me! They only've been expired for one hour!" And then I hear the cop say back to him "Too bad, you're getting a ticket." I thought it was utterly unreasonable.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on April 12, 2008, 10:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke S on April 12, 2008, 10:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 07:04 AM NHFT
it is illegal in New Hampshire it exhibit a puppet show for pay without a license (among other things including rope-dancing and card tricks).
One of the most ridiculous laws I've ever heard of.
Perhaps it's to prevent puppeteers from living in their own fantasylands, and to prevent broken puppets from being strewn about the streets...
Is it new, or a hold over now covered by other statutes?
Quote from: Luke S on April 12, 2008, 10:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 07:04 AM NHFT
it is illegal in New Hampshire it exhibit a puppet show for pay without a license (among other things including rope-dancing and card tricks).
One of the most ridiculous laws I've ever heard of.
The law is the law, my friend. Apparently you think you know better than the democratically elected representatives who authorizedly enacted that law. I know your type.
Ok here is a rough draft of a note i may send to the authorites.
note that i am not yet committing to do this but am moving closer
the objections i've heard so far are not compelling enough to dissuade me, but are appreciated. and there could still be something we're missing. keep em coming.
anyone see factual errors? what could i do to improve the wording?
What: Illegal puppet show
When: (for now I'm thinking Wednesday, April 23, 2008. Starting between 12:00 and 12:30 p.m. i'd hope you guys would be there earlier).
Where: New Hampshire State House, 107 N. Main, Concord, NH. We'll be outside,
Near Main but out of pedestrians' way.
How: "Outlaw Puppeteer" will perform loose adaptation of "The Night Thoreau Spent In Jail,"
As an act of civil disobedience against the state's prohibition
On unlicensed puppeteering.
Who: Dave Ridley, 41, of NHfree.com. Ridley is a Manchester videographer.
Projected turnout is 20, mostly folks from NHfree.com
Why: Protest legislature's refusal to repeal unnecessary laws.
Contacts: Dave Ridley: (number) (email)
Kelly Halldorson: (number, email)
Ian Bernard (number)
Dear folks (various politicians and bureaucrats)
Somewhere between ____ and ____ on _____, I intend to commit an illegal act in Concord. I will hold a puppett show, for profit, without government permission. The show will be wholesome and unobtrusive. But it will violate RSA 286:1.* Hopefully this will draw some small attention to the neglected importance of repealing unneeded laws.
Earlier this year, the State House overwhelmingly voted down HB1347, a bill aimed at removing obsolete statutes. There were problems with the bill's wording, but the fact remains Concord has declined to eliminate dozens, maybe thousands, of senseless laws which clutter our books at best...and endanger our freedoms at worst. It's illegal to pick up seaweed off the beach.** It's illegal to clean litter off the White Mountains without a permit.*** And, of course, it's illegal to grow hemp for even for the most constructive of purposes.
Some of our crazy laws lie dormant and largely unenforced, others crowd our jails with victimless "criminals." And more appear upon the scene each year to confuse or strangle individuals and businesses.
After 200+ years of adding laws (82 Megabytes worth), it's time to reverse the madness. It's time for Concord to start eliminating laws instead of imposing them. A sunset provision on all new laws would be nice. A robust "repeal committee" might be an option. Some laws I can't argue with, but others block literally prevent people from living their lives. So I beg lawmakers: Stop "protecting" us from commerce you don't approve of. Stop protecting us from ourselves.
We who cherish our vanishing freedoms are often told we should work within the system, but though the system sometimes works in New Hampshire it has refused to carry out this repair. Thoreau put it best: "As for the means the state has provided me for changing it....they take too long, and a man's life will be gone."
So I will do what Thoreau did, and respectfully violate the law rather than wait for a repeal that may never come. My intent is peaceable and I bear no grudge. But I will not stop until I am arrested, or have amassed a thousand dollars in illegal puppeteering profits. I will come back again and again until one of the above occurrs. And I urge other New Hampshirites to do something similar. Don't mindlessly obey laws that harm the people, just because they are laws.
Depending on the exact location of boundaries, this event may violate not only RSA 286 but also the prohibition against demonstrating without a permit on state house grounds. I'm ready to be flexible on this issue so long as we're not forced to request a permit, to leave the area of the state house, or to stand in anyone's way. But if need be I will face charges of violating the permit-to-demonstrate provision. In any case, RSA 286 appears to ban many types of unlicensed shows not only on public property but everywhere in the state. So it apparently would still be illegal to do this, even your own home!
Adding slavery to injury, RSA 286 deputizes the hapless selectmen of every town and makes *them* prosecute. Hopefully that provision is rarely enforced, but if not enforced why does it need to be on the books?
Again, this is about more than the right to hold public performances without government permission. It's about the need to reduce the estimated 100,000+ pages worth of often harmful New Hampshire law, something we will never accomplish through conventional means.
* Puppet Law: RSA 286:1 - http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/xxiv/286/286-mrg.htm
** Seaweed law - http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XVIII/207/207-48.htm
*** Litter pickup law - http://www.ahajokes.com/laws029.html
i've faxed the AGs office as mackler suggested, on apr. 15 requesting clarifications regarding the law. no response thus far.
Does anyone have a disposable cell phone i could borrow for this? i'd want to have a cell to take to jail., but dont want to take my own.
you probably need a cell when you exit the building, to call for a ride.
Dada I have a few questions.
1. If they do arrest you what will you plead to in court?
2. If you plead not guilty will you get a public trial?
3. If they attempt to arrest you during the show will you comply and stop the show or will you continue the show and force the cops to stop the show?
4. If you are fined will you pay the fine?
5. If you will pay the fine could refreshments (i.e. juice, soda, popcorn, candy) be sold during the show to help you pay the fine?
Sent to the Union Leader at 10:30 this morning. Am now committed.
---
Outlaw Puppeteering in Concord
Dear folks at the Union Leader:
Around noon on April 23, 2008, I plan to commit an unlawful act. I'll stand near the state house and perform an unlicensed puppet show. That's right: Under state law (RSA 286:1) it's illegal to perform with puppets, for pay, without government permission. The restriction appears to apply even if you do it in your own house!
But this isn't about puppeteering. It's about failure to repeal bad laws. There are now 8,200 kilobytes worth of NH state laws on the books...restricting everything from litter pickup to hemp production. Some go unenforced, others crowd our jails with victimless "criminals." There are too many old laws, too many new laws and too few people fighting to repeal them.
Just this year, without so much as a floor debate, lawmakers nixed a bill which could have axed obsolete statutes. Maybe they were too busy banning payday loans and raising spending 18%.
Please take action. Join me in front of the state house Wednesday (and maybe in front of my jail Thursday)! Details are at NHfree.com.
Longer version for the Monitor
Outlaw Puppeteering in Concord
Dear folks at the Monitor:
Around noon on April 23, 2008, I plan to commit an unlawful act in Concord. I'll stand near the state house and perform an unlicensed puppet show. That's right: Under state law (RSA 286:1) it's illegal to entertain people with puppets, for pay, unless you have government permission. The restriction appears to apply even if you do it in your own house!
But this isn't about puppeteering. It's about legislators' failure to repeal bad laws. There are now 8,200 kilobytes worth of NH state laws on the books...restricting everything from litter pickup to hemp production. Some go unenforced, others crowd our jails with victimless "criminals." There are too many old laws, too many new laws and too few people fighting to keep their their number in check.
Just this year, lawmakers nixed HB1347, the bill which would have begun a process of repealing obsolete statutes. And they nixed it without so much as a floor debate. Maybe they were too busy banning payday loans and raising spending 18%.
I invite you to do something about this. Join me in front of the state house Wednesday (and maybe in front of my jail Thursday)! Details on the event are at NHfree.com.
sent this afternoon
police@onconcord.com
For Chief Barry: Unlawful puppeteering in Concord
What: Illegal puppet show
When: Wednesday, April 23, 2008. Starting between 12:00 and 12:30 p.m.
Where: Outside New Hampshire State House, 107 N. Main, Concord, NH
(Near Main but out of pedestrians' way).
How: "Outlaw Puppeteer" will perform "The Night Thoreau Spent In Jail,"
As an act of civil disobedience against the state's prohibition
On unlicensed puppeteering for profit.
Who: Dave Ridley, 41, of NHfree.com. Ridley is a Manchester videographer.
Projected turnout is 20, mostly NHfree.com folks
Why: Protest legislature's refusal to repeal unnecessary laws.
Contacts: Dave Ridley:
Kelly Halldorson:
Ian Bernard
Latest
details: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13709.0
Dear folks at Concord P.D., Concord City Hall, the Attorney General's office and the NH Legislature:
Somewhere between 12:00 and 12:30 p.m. on April 23, I plan to commit an illegal act in Concord. I will hold a puppet show, for profit, without government permission. The show will be wholesome and unobtrusive. But it will violate RSA 286:1.* Conducting it appears to be a misdemeanor, with a maximum penalty of one year in jail. Hopefully, it will draw some small attention to the neglected importance of repealing bad laws.
Earlier this year, the State House overwhelmingly voted down HB1347, a bill aimed at removing obsolete statutes. There were problems with the bill's wording, but the fact remains Concord has declined to eliminate dozens - maybe thousands - of senseless laws which clutter our books at best and endanger our freedoms at worst. The problem is milder in New Hampshire than most places. But even here it's illegal to pick up seaweed off the beach.** It's illegal to clean litter off the White Mountains without a permit.*** And, of course, it's illegal to grow hemp for even for the most constructive of purposes.
Some crazy state laws lie dormant and unenforced, others crowd our jails with victimless "criminals." More appear upon the scene each year to confuse or strangle individuals and businesses.
After 200+ years of adding state laws (8,200 Kilobytes worth), it's time to reverse the curse. It's time for Concord to start eliminating statutes instead of imposing them. A sunset provision on all new laws would be nice. A robust "repeal committee" might be an option. Some statutes I can't argue with, but others hemorrhage tax dollars and prevent people from living their lives. So I beg lawmakers: Stop "protecting" us from peaceable commerce you don't approve of. Stop saving us from G-rated puppet shows, rope-making plants and clean mountains.
We who cherish our vanishing freedoms are often told we should work within the system to achieve these ends. But the system has just refused to carry out this repair.
Thoreau put it best: "As for the means the state has provided me for changing it....they take too long, and a man's life will be gone." So I will do what Thoreau did, and openly violate the law rather than wait for a repeal that may never come. My intent is peaceable; I bear no grudge. But I won't not stop until I am arrested or have amassed a thousand dollars in illegal puppeteering profits. I will come back again and again until one of the above occurs. And I urge other New Hampshirites to do something similar. Don't mindlessly obey laws that harm the people, just because they are laws.
This event will occur outside the State House near Main. So it may violate not only RSA 286 but also the prohibition against demonstrating without a permit on House grounds. I'm ready to be flexible on this issue if we're not forced to request a permit, forced to leave the state house area or forced to stand in anyone's way. But I'm prepared to face charges of demonstrating without a permit.
In any case, RSA 286 appears to ban unlicensed puppet shows for profit, not only on public property but everywhere in the state. So it apparently would still be illegal to do this, even in your own home!
Again, this is about more than the right to hold public performance. It's about the need to reduce the estimated 100,000+ pages of often-harmful New Hampshire law, something we will never accomplish through conventional means.
Respectfully yours,
Dave Ridley
412 Central
Manchester, NH 03103
721-1490
* Puppet Law: RSA 286:1 - http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/xxiv/286/286-mrg.htm
** Seaweed law - http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XVIII/207/207-48.htm
*** Litter pickup law - http://www.ahajokes.com/laws029.html
Special note for law enforcers, jailers and court officials: This is a peaceable and lighthearted endeavor. However you can't have civil disobedience without disobedience. I will politely refuse to follow any order you give me to cease puppeteering or leave the area of the state house. I will not sign any document promising cooperation or obedience, and I will refuse to answer some of the questions and tests you have for inmates. I will not pay any fines levied (for fear of aiding and abetting the privations of State). And I will not perform community service for any institution which works against liberty or accepts government money.
I will, however, treat all of you with kindness.
Quote from: slim on April 17, 2008, 07:45 AM NHFT
Dada I have a few questions.
1. If they do arrest you what will you plead to in court?
I'm a little new to this civil-dis thing, but my understanding is that one should plead guilty and then demand the court impose the maximum possible sentence. Perhaps making a little speech in court to the effect of:
"
Your honor, I do not challenge the rule of law or the incidents of an ordered society. I transgress the law out of a conviction that this particular law is morally repugnant. The legitimacy that this law has earned by virtue of its acceptance in society denigrates the moral authority attendant to the rest of society's laws. My actions are not a denial of the legitimacy of the law or laws but rather an affirmation of the existence and applicability of the law in all its iniquity."
(adapted from Judge Ferguson's concurrence in the 1985 case
US v Dorrell (http://mackler.org/civildis.html).)
Nice letter, Dave.
How much will it cost to come see your show?
Do you have puppets, etc?
Could I get a volunteer to pass the above news release on to all or some of the 424 reps and senators?
i am going to be tied up sending it other places and doing a bunch of other things
i was thinking of charging 2 bucks a head , but not really enforce it. I'm not going to try and remind people to pay or anything, they can if they want.
obviously i'll accept alternate forms of payment.
i do have puppets lined up...kelly's kids built most of them before I even verified i was going to do this!
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 17, 2008, 03:57 PM NHFT
Do you have puppets, etc?
hey aren't you supposed to be cavorting with your hubbiee!!!???
He was asleep, exhaused :D
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 17, 2008, 01:19 PM NHFT
sent this afternoon
police@onconcord.com
For Chief Barry: Unlawful puppeteering in Concord
What: Illegal puppet show
When: Wednesday, April 23, 2008. Starting between 12:00 and 12:30 p.m.
Where: Outside New Hampshire State House, 107 N. Main, Concord, NH
(Near Main but out of pedestrians' way).
How: "Outlaw Puppeteer" will perform "The Night Thoreau Spent In Jail,"
As an act of civil disobedience against the state's prohibition
On unlicensed puppeteering for profit.
Who: Dave Ridley, 41, of NHfree.com. Ridley is a Manchester videographer.
Projected turnout is 20, mostly NHfree.com folks
Why: Protest legislature's refusal to repeal unnecessary laws.
Contacts: Dave Ridley:
Kelly Halldorson:
Ian Bernard
Latest
details: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13709.0
Dear folks at Concord P.D., Concord City Hall, the Attorney General's office and the NH Legislature:
Somewhere between 12:00 and 12:30 p.m. on April 23, I plan to commit an illegal act in Concord. I will hold a puppet show, for profit, without government permission. The show will be wholesome and unobtrusive. But it will violate RSA 286:1.* Conducting it appears to be a misdemeanor, with a maximum penalty of one year in jail. Hopefully, it will draw some small attention to the neglected importance of repealing bad laws.
Earlier this year, the State House overwhelmingly voted down HB1347, a bill aimed at removing obsolete statutes. There were problems with the bill's wording, but the fact remains Concord has declined to eliminate dozens - maybe thousands - of senseless laws which clutter our books at best and endanger our freedoms at worst. The problem is milder in New Hampshire than most places. But even here it's illegal to pick up seaweed off the beach.** It's illegal to clean litter off the White Mountains without a permit.*** And, of course, it's illegal to grow hemp for even for the most constructive of purposes.
Some crazy state laws lie dormant and unenforced, others crowd our jails with victimless "criminals." More appear upon the scene each year to confuse or strangle individuals and businesses.
After 200+ years of adding state laws (8,200 Kilobytes worth), it's time to reverse the curse. It's time for Concord to start eliminating statutes instead of imposing them. A sunset provision on all new laws would be nice. A robust "repeal committee" might be an option. Some statutes I can't argue with, but others hemorrhage tax dollars and prevent people from living their lives. So I beg lawmakers: Stop "protecting" us from peaceable commerce you don't approve of. Stop saving us from G-rated puppet shows, rope-making plants and clean mountains.
We who cherish our vanishing freedoms are often told we should work within the system to achieve these ends. But the system has just refused to carry out this repair.
Thoreau put it best: "As for the means the state has provided me for changing it....they take too long, and a man's life will be gone." So I will do what Thoreau did, and openly violate the law rather than wait for a repeal that may never come. My intent is peaceable; I bear no grudge. But I won't not stop until I am arrested or have amassed a thousand dollars in illegal puppeteering profits. I will come back again and again until one of the above occurs. And I urge other New Hampshirites to do something similar. Don't mindlessly obey laws that harm the people, just because they are laws.
This event will occur outside the State House near Main. So it may violate not only RSA 286 but also the prohibition against demonstrating without a permit on House grounds. I'm ready to be flexible on this issue if we're not forced to request a permit, forced to leave the state house area or forced to stand in anyone's way. But I'm prepared to face charges of demonstrating without a permit.
In any case, RSA 286 appears to ban unlicensed puppet shows for profit, not only on public property but everywhere in the state. So it apparently would still be illegal to do this, even in your own home!
Again, this is about more than the right to hold public performance. It's about the need to reduce the estimated 100,000+ pages of often-harmful New Hampshire law, something we will never accomplish through conventional means.
Respectfully yours,
Dave Ridley
412 Central
Manchester, NH 03103
721-1490
* Puppet Law: RSA 286:1 - http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/xxiv/286/286-mrg.htm
** Seaweed law - http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XVIII/207/207-48.htm
*** Litter pickup law - http://www.ahajokes.com/laws029.html
Special note for law enforcers, jailers and court officials: This is a peaceable and lighthearted endeavor. However you can't have civil disobedience without disobedience. I will politely refuse to follow any order you give me to cease puppeteering or leave the area of the state house. I will not sign any document promising cooperation or obedience, and I will refuse to answer some of the questions and tests you have for inmates. I will not pay any fines levied (for fear of aiding and abetting the privations of State). And I will not perform community service for any institution which works against liberty or accepts government money.
I will, however, treat all of you with kindness.
I wish I was there to see it too. That law is so ridiculous I'd break it myself if I lived in New Hampshire. Besides, Dave Ridley is clearly the best person to put on this puppet show, as he is absolutely hilarious and will do a good job at this sort of thing. When you are ready to do this puppet show, please put it on Ridley Report, Dave, so that people can see it that don't live in New Hampshire can see it.
why not have a donation jar?
it would be tax deductable for the donors. :)
kola
how about a puppet that looks like Bucket-butt Monier?
and a Margot-Scoop-Liar puppet?
Quote from: slim on April 17, 2008, 07:45 AM NHFT
5. If you will pay the fine could refreshments (i.e. juice, soda, popcorn, candy) be sold during the show to help you pay the fine?
No sense muddying the water by introducing another act of CD (unlicensed street vendor).
Quote
(unlicensed street vendor).
WTH?? You know that's really, really statist. Out here I know we don't have any of those insane "street vendor lisencing laws", and I'm glad we don't. People sell stuff on the street here all the time with no lisence, and I'm glad they do.
Quote from: Luke S on April 18, 2008, 12:00 AM NHFT
Quote
(unlicensed street vendor).
WTH?? You know that's really, really statist. Out here I know we don't have any of those insane "street vendor lisencing laws", and I'm glad we don't. People sell stuff on the street here all the time with no lisence, and I'm glad they do.
but i thought you snitched on pot smokers? were they selling "stuff" on the street?
weed, hotdogs, flowers, beer?? ....its all the same.
kola
Quote from: kola on April 17, 2008, 08:26 PM NHFT
how about a puppet that looks like Bucket-butt Monier?
and a Margot-Scoop-Liar puppet?
Uh margot was the first reporter to call after my letters-to-editor went out. if journalist baiting is your thing how about picking on the reporters who don't cover liberty issues at all?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 18, 2008, 07:50 AM NHFT
Quote from: kola on April 17, 2008, 08:26 PM NHFT
how about a puppet that looks like Bucket-butt Monier?
and a Margot-Scoop-Liar puppet?
Uh margot was the first reporter to call after my letters-to-editor went out. if journalist baiting is your thing how about picking on the reporters who don't cover liberty issues at all?
Agreed. Kola, I realize you are frustrated with Scoops reporting of the Brown event, but who else was covering it in mainstream news? The Kannings did, and briefly had more hits on their online paper than did the Keene Sentinel.
Quote from: Luke S on April 18, 2008, 12:00 AM NHFT
Quote
(unlicensed street vendor).
WTH?? You know that's really, really statist. Out here I know we don't have any of those insane "street vendor lisencing laws", and I'm glad we don't. People sell stuff on the street here all the time with no lisence, and I'm glad they do.
If you live in Ohio, yes they do. They either pay the licensing, or they risk getting arrested. It is possible the law(s) are not actively enforced.
just because margot scoop covered the browns does not deserve praise...she butchered them and gave a onesided view...and she was no different than the the rest of the corporate media puppets (using "holed up", "the fortress", the compound, "miltiaman" etc). Not to mention that she refuses to recognize that there is no law regarding a persons income tax.
IMO, the browns would have been better without her spins.
kola
Article on this in the Monitor
http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080418/NEWS01/804180394
LOL @ "it won't be a particularly good puppet show."
An expert on NH law wrote me:
QuoteI am surprised that you or other CD folks have not poured water into an empty milk carton yet. Have you given the idea any thought? I can think of no more innocuous thing to do than that.... out of all the laws we have on the books.
184:30-d Use of Milk Containers. – No milk and milk product container shall be used as a receptacle for any substance other than dairy products.
184:30-f Penalty. – Any person who shall violate any of the provisions of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
Shoot, I've seen Ridley do that. :o
well it takes going out and doing a good thing...to shake loose peoples' ideas for perfect things.
maybe on the track we are on...we just progress toward more and more harmless things. first manicuring, then puppets, then milk cartons. at some point things will get so innocent they will have to stop arresting us. then we've established more precedent for the state refusing to enforce laws.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 18, 2008, 11:01 AM NHFT
LOL @ "it won't be a particularly good puppet show."
I disagree with that actually.
It's fitting that he said he would keep doing it until he is arrested or he makes $1000. Well I think he could easily make $1000, since he is so damn funny with all his commercials, especially the one where he filled up his cheeks with air, and moved his eyes back and forth and it was real funny man. :biglaugh:
All he's gotta do is take that funny, and express it through puppets.
Hope you don't mind, I changed the subject line to make it more obvious what this thread is about.
Our public gambling event went unmolested today, so I predict they will leave you alone as well.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on April 19, 2008, 10:17 PM NHFT
Our public gambling event went unmolested today
Report in a new thread?
Quote from: Luke S on April 18, 2008, 12:00 AM NHFT
Quote
(unlicensed street vendor).
WTH?? You know that's really, really statist. Out here I know we don't have any of those insane "street vendor lisencing laws", and I'm glad we don't. People sell stuff on the street here all the time with no lisence, and I'm glad they do.
At least we're not terrified of vanity license plates, and afraid to take pictures of cars without the owner's permission.
::)
I don't think they're going to leave Dave alone. Keene cops have history of leaving us alone, others don't.
plz digg
http://digg.com/political_opinion/NH_Outlaw_Puppeteer_performs_against_stupid_statutes
Dugg
Quote from: KBCraig on April 19, 2008, 11:46 PM NHFT
At least we're not terrified of vanity license plates, and afraid to take pictures of cars without the owner's permission.
::)
Let's be fair here. It's not the license plates or taking pictures. Luke is just afraid of doing anything he doesn't know isn't illegal. Can you blame him?
Quote from: FTL_Ian on April 18, 2008, 11:03 AM NHFT
An expert on NH law wrote me:
QuoteI am surprised that you or other CD folks have not poured water into an empty milk carton yet. Have you given the idea any thought? I can think of no more innocuous thing to do than that.... out of all the laws we have on the books.
184:30-d Use of Milk Containers. – No milk and milk product container shall be used as a receptacle for any substance other than dairy products.
184:30-f Penalty. – Any person who shall violate any of the provisions of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
So if I filled an empty milk jug with water and gave it to my goats, I broke the law? Oh my god I feel so
dirty! I'm a criminal, a low life, a damn law breaker...I'm sorry mom, you were right I should have studied harder! :book1:
Quote from: mackler on April 20, 2008, 06:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on April 19, 2008, 11:46 PM NHFT
At least we're not terrified of vanity license plates, and afraid to take pictures of cars without the owner's permission.
::)
Let's be fair here. It's not the license plates or taking pictures. Luke is just afraid of doing anything he doesn't know isn't illegal. Can you blame him?
No, that's not true at all. But if something is illegal
AND I know there's a very good chance the victim will press charges over it
AND I'm close to graduation, so I know if I get tossed in jail now I won't be able to graduate, then obviously given those 3 circumstances put together, I won't do it.
Such was the case in this situation. There are a lot of people here who weren't too happy with an incident where I turned two marijuana users in to the police, so if that NHFREE car was one of their cars, they might try to get me tossed in jail as retaliation for that incident if I took a picture and taking a picture is illegal. So that's why I didn't do it.
Quote from: David on April 18, 2008, 08:33 AM NHFT
If you live in Ohio, yes they do. They either pay the licensing, or they risk getting arrested. It is possible the law(s) are not actively enforced.
Well then that must be what's happening. Non-enforcement. I mean, I haven't asked. But it just seems like people set up wherever they darn well please. And I've never seen the police go around and check for permits.
Quote from: 'Luke S'There are a lot of people here who weren't too happy with an incident where I turned two marijuana users in to the police, so if that NHFREE car was one of their cars, they might try to get me tossed in jail as retaliation for that incident if I took a picture and taking a picture is illegal.
I aks you to step back for a moment and realize that liberty activists, in general, are different than the people you're used to dealing with. My point is that people you're used to dealing with will condone and utilize the law as they see fit in order to punish those who do things they don't agree with.
On the flip side, liberty activists tend to be more principaled all around. We hold that using the force of government is wrong. Using it against your picture taking is JUST as wrong as your use of it against marijuana smokers - in both cases someone who harmed NOBODY was hurt.
Anyone who blames you for snitching on some pot smokers, but then calls the cops when you take a picture of something in public is a fucking hypocrite and everyone here would recognize it.
Harm nobody, cause nobody to come to harm.
Quote from: DadaOrwellplz digg
Dugg! (Even though I hate the site)
Quotewe just progress toward more and more harmless things. first manicuring, then puppets, then milk cartons. at some point things will get so innocent they will have to stop arresting us. then we've established more precedent for the state refusing to enforce laws.
That's the idea. :) Show the police and legislature to be impotent, and show the people that just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong.
You guys have my utmost respect. :D
Luke: Why don't you practice your own little act of civil dis and take a picture of Tyler's car/license plate! Hey, it's already been on ABC WMUR Channel 9...
I assume you go to Kenyon, too, since you wrote about being afraid of jeopardizing graduating. Why don't you look up Tyler and get to know him. A) He'd be as likely to turn you into cops as he would be to turn himself into cops. B) He's a freedom fighter like you claim you want to be. Maybe he could mentor you.
Bad news folks.
This event was scheduled to ocurr Wednesday April 23. But on Sunday night I contracted a fever and still have it. That means I'm probably contagious. In order to avoid possibly spreading the flu or whatever it is to guards and inmates in the confined spaces of jail, I will have to postpone the event. Stay tuned to
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13709.0 for the revised date. Sorry for the change in plans, but it would just be wrong to move forward if it means spreading this gunk around.
I'm in the process now of emailing everyone I invited to this...If you could do the same that would help. If any of you are going to be near the state house tomorrow maybe you could head over to the "scene of the not yet committed crime" around noon and catch anyone who doesn't get the word, let them know of the postponement.
how interesting, getting ready to be disobedient, and you get the flu?
Do you need some soup or anything to help you get better?
-Beth
Quote from: mackler on April 14, 2008, 10:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke S on April 12, 2008, 10:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 07:04 AM NHFT
it is illegal in New Hampshire it exhibit a puppet show for pay without a license (among other things including rope-dancing and card tricks).
One of the most ridiculous laws I've ever heard of.
The law is the law, my friend. Apparently you think you know better than the democratically elected representatives who authorizedly enacted that law. I know your type.
The problem is....IT IS NOT LAW !
It is "Color of Law" practiced by the commercial merchants of "Public Policy". It is commerce my friends. All for the satisfaction of the greed exhibited by those who plunder the wealth of this nations people for private profit. These parasites deal in fiction; that which is only in the mind of the victim for whom an alter ego has been created for use in the world of fiction. As most know, corporations are "legal fictions". They deal with "commercial paper" or "Legal Tender". Legal is a fiction as it is NOT "Lawful", as in "Legal Tender", v. "Lawful Money". The constitution defines "Lawful Money" as gold and Silver coin, whereas "Legal Tender" is a creation of the fiction we know as "Congress". So, we have congressional fictions creating more fictions which create "statutes", which are thus, "FICTIONS". These fictions only exist in the mind of the ecnomic slave. If you benefit from the use of fictions, then you are welcome to pay the cost of using the fiction. So, enjoy today. It is a a gift!..Oh,, and that is why we call it "The Present".
Well dang. I delayed the paper so I could include this. :(
dada sorree
but sure this is right thing to do
i got no business going into the tank on purpose with strep or something
Quote from: mackler on April 14, 2008, 10:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: armlaw
One of the most ridiculous laws I've ever heard of.
The law is the law, my friend. Apparently you think you know better than the democratically elected representatives who authorizedly enacted that law. I know your type.
LMAO... :rofl:
Apparently you don't know Dick Marple's record of service in the General Court. ;)
Quote from: Luke S on April 21, 2008, 01:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 20, 2008, 06:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on April 19, 2008, 11:46 PM NHFT
At least we're not terrified of vanity license plates, and afraid to take pictures of cars without the owner's permission.
::)
Let's be fair here. It's not the license plates or taking pictures. Luke is just afraid of doing anything he doesn't know isn't illegal. Can you blame him?
No, that's not true at all. But if something is illegal AND I know there's a very good chance the victim will press charges over it AND I'm close to graduation, so I know if I get tossed in jail now I won't be able to graduate, then obviously given those 3 circumstances put together, I won't do it.
Such was the case in this situation. There are a lot of people here who weren't too happy with an incident where I turned two marijuana users in to the police, so if that NHFREE car was one of their cars, they might try to get me tossed in jail as retaliation for that incident if I took a picture and taking a picture is illegal. So that's why I didn't do it.
Taking a picture is illegal?!
I can see you're not three months away from being graduating from law school.
Quote from: armlaw on April 22, 2008, 12:55 PM NHFT
The problem is....IT IS NOT LAW !
It is "Color of Law" practiced by the commercial merchants of "Public Policy". It is commerce my friends. All for the satisfaction of the greed exhibited by those who plunder the wealth of this nations people for private profit. These parasites deal in fiction; that which is only in the mind of the victim for whom an alter ego has been created for use in the world of fiction. As most know, corporations are "legal fictions". They deal with "commercial paper" or "Legal Tender". Legal is a fiction as it is NOT "Lawful", as in "Legal Tender", v. "Lawful Money". The constitution defines "Lawful Money" as gold and Silver coin, whereas "Legal Tender" is a creation of the fiction we know as "Congress". So, we have congressional fictions creating more fictions which create "statutes", which are thus, "FICTIONS". These fictions only exist in the mind of the ecnomic slave. If you benefit from the use of fictions, then you are welcome to pay the cost of using the fiction. So, enjoy today. It is a a gift!..Oh,, and that is why we call it "The Present".
Where does the secret blood oath I swore while kneeling before a copy of the Uniform Commercial Code fit into this?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 22, 2008, 10:37 PM NHFT
dada sorree
but sure this is right thing to do
i got no business going into the tank on purpose with strep or something
Dada Orwell, if you're too sick to do this, I'll do it myself.
See, look at this:
"According to Ohio law, it's against the law to kill a housefly within 160 feet of a church without a license."
Source: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gg55rqSuFa0J:www.chdiic.com/stupid_ohio_laws.htm+ohio+illegal+housefly+church+kill&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gg55rqSuFa0J:www.chdiic.com/stupid_ohio_laws.htm+ohio+illegal+housefly+church+kill&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)
Golden opportunity, right there. And I'll be just like you Dave. I won't stop until I either get put in jail, or I kill 1000 flies (okay, maybe only 100).
Oh wait a minute, I can't do that. I have to graduate first, and I'm going to leave for Michigan immediately after I graduate. So I'll have to find a stupid Michigan law to break.
OMG look at this.
Quote750.532 Seduction; punishment.
Sec. 532.
Punishment:Any man who shall seduce and debauch any unmarried woman shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 5 years or by fine of not more than 2,500 dollars; but no prosecution shall be commenced under this section after 1 year from the time of committing the offense.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/michigan (http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/michigan)
Seducing girl = felony? If I saranade her or something will they give me the max. sentence? >:D
Quote from: Luke S on April 25, 2008, 05:46 PM NHFT
OMG look at this.
Quote750.532 Seduction; punishment.
Sec. 532.
Punishment:Any man who shall seduce and debauch any unmarried woman shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 5 years or by fine of not more than 2,500 dollars; but no prosecution shall be commenced under this section after 1 year from the time of committing the offense.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/michigan (http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/michigan)
Seducing girl = felony? If I saranade her or something will they give me the max. sentence? >:D
It's only seduction if she yields her chastity in consequence of your inducements and promises. Intercourse induced simply by mutual desire to gratify sexual passion is
not seduction. Seduction consists in enticing a woman from the path of virtue, and obtaining her consent to illicit intercourse by promises made at the time. Yet, illicit intercourse alone does
not constitute seduction. The alleged victim must have yielded to some sufficient promise or inducement, and have been thereby drawn aside from the path of virtue she was honestly pursuing at the time. Finally, note that an unchaste female
cannot be the subject of seduction.
rescheduled now for apr 30, see calendar
dada will need ride to state house from manchester wed apr 30 , anyone available?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 27, 2008, 04:37 PM NHFT
dada will need ride to state house from manchester wed apr 30 , anyone available?
I will be. Where are you, and when do you want to leave?
Quote from: Luke S on April 25, 2008, 05:20 PM NHFT
Oh wait a minute, I can't do that. I have to graduate first, and I'm going to leave for Michigan immediately after I graduate. So I'll have to find a stupid Michigan law to break.
What area of Mich are you going to?
If I do get arrested, here is a list of NH media which would be helpful for you to contact.
WKXL radio in Concord
http://www.wkxl1450.com/dynamickxl/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=60
WMUR-TV Channel 9: http://www.thewmurchannel.com/contact/index.html
603 669 9999 wmur
Concord Monitor: news@cmonitor.com
603 224 5301 one monitor dr, po box 1177 conc 03302-1177
NH public radio josh rogers staff reporter concord 603 223 2456 jrogers@npr.org
Portsmouth Herald, mail to "Editor, Portsmouth Herald" E-mailt to Executive Editor Howard Altschiller at haltschiller@seacoastonline.com or E-mail to managing editor Shir Haberman at shaberman@seacoastonline.com.
Keene Sentinel: news@keenesentinel.com
WKBK radio:
Dan Mitchell (talk show host) dmitchell@monadnockradiogroup.com
news@monadnockradiogroup.com
Union Leader writeus@unionleader.com
Free Talk Live FTL@freetalklive.com - syndicated but airs in NH some days, they talk about NH about once per show on average.
WGIR-AM
Garnder Goldsmith (libertarian talk show) gardnergoldsmith@clearchannel.com
New Hampshire Public TV http://www.nhptv.org/feedback/feedback.htm TheMailBox@nhptv.org <mailto:themailbox@nhptv.org> . Your
Nashua Telegraph
NEWS TIPS: If you have a story idea, call 594-6467, fax 882-2681, or e-mail news@nashuatelegraph.com.
Have you contacted The Daily Show about this?
Who wants to carpool to this, either from Manchester or from the seacoast?
My car's full now. Jaqeboy recommends a site called eRideShare.com (http://www.erideshare.com/) to organize carpooling.
Quote from: dalebert on April 28, 2008, 09:24 AM NHFT
Have you contacted The Daily Show about this?
no . i need someone to contact national liberty media, as I am not familiar with that.
just send em the news release
i've re contacted the monitor, unionleader, herald, telegraph, wmur, wkxl, sentinel, etc
but i will not get to everyone at the national level
It just strikes me as the kind of local story that The Daily Show loves to cover.
I didn't see any way to contact them on the daily show website.
For future reference, this is where you can submit suggestions to Comedy Central programming: http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml
So what happened? Did Dave do the puppet show? Did they arrest him?
Daisy told me over the phone, it went well, no one was arrested, and she liked the kids around.
(from the dogs mouth)
Quote from: Sapphire on April 30, 2008, 01:44 PM NHFT
Daisy told me over the phone, it went well, no one was arrested, and she liked the kids around.
As I suspected. They are clearly ignoring us. Hopefully we can just skip the "fight you" stage.
thats a great outcome and should have been the goal!..(hassle-free)
awesome!
victory!
Quote from: FTL_Ian on April 30, 2008, 01:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: Sapphire on April 30, 2008, 01:44 PM NHFT
Daisy told me over the phone, it went well, no one was arrested, and she liked the kids around.
As I suspected. They are clearly ignoring us. Hopefully we can just skip the "fight you" stage.
Ok. So 1.) where is the video?, and 2.) Why did they leave Dave alone and not the "Outlaw Manicurist". I can't see how the Outlaw Manicurist did anything worse than what Dave did, so why did they let Dave alone and not him?
It was a fun show :D
luke, videos dont appear out of thin air, takes time to get back from the event, go over the footage, make a good video. they dont grow on trees.
patients my dear.
Luke, if you want a video, get your butt out here and film it yourself. ::)
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Photos by Kira :D
Gallery address http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=115 if other people want to upload photos.
Unable to keep up with everthing, I have not even tried to . . . I see several stills on my way by to post, and it makes me TRUELY MISS taking stills . . . Bla Bla :( Bla . . . I'lll be back to enjoy ;D. . .
My intro report should be up on YouTube soon @ PHONH . . .
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 02:29 PM NHFTOk. So 1.) where is the video?, and 2.) [etc.]
Dude! Ridley was the one doing the puppet show. Dave's also the video guy.
Dude, What are you looking for; magic? >:D
Patience me boy: patience.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 30, 2008, 03:57 PM NHFT
Photos by Kira :D
Where's the "kiss" emocon?" {Kiss!}
Great job, Kira!
Thank you for covering this event! Nice pictures.
Try this for now:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PHONHJohn
Good video, John!
BTW, this doesn't need to be just civil disobedience. It seems like a great way to introduce people to some new ideas :) It's not a failure if you don't ever get thrown in jail.
what great pics!!
(thanks for the pic of my two dogs! hehe I am out of town and missing them!)
what great puppets!!
But John, the video stopped right after that guy called up the police and told them that there was an "illegal puppet show" going on, and told the police to come.
So did the police come and tell Dave to stop?
Story for NH Free Press
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/94
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 30, 2008, 05:13 PM NHFT
BTW, this doesn't need to be just civil disobedience. It seems like a great way to introduce people to some new ideas :) It's not a failure if you don't ever get thrown in jail.
;D Was thinking similar thoughts . . .
;) Just check out those two (who showed up in just this video) young people who were there to see the "Famous State House" and ended up joining the Non-Violent
Revolution.
BIG VICTORY TODAY!
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 05:28 PM NHFT
But John, the video stopped right after that guy called up the police and told them that there was an "illegal puppet show" going on, and told the police to come.
So did the police come and tell Dave to stop?
I told you, no the police did not arrest him. the end of the video was dave collecting up his illegal earnings, end of story.
BIG FUN!
BIG thanks to everyone who came out!
Nice cross section of folks! (If you know what I mean. 8))
What was the take? Big $$$?
cool puppet show
good video
what a fun way to tell liberty stories
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 02:29 PM NHFT
Ok. So 1.) where is the video?, and 2.) Why did they leave Dave alone and not the "Outlaw Manicurist". I can't see how the Outlaw Manicurist did anything worse than what Dave did, so why did they let Dave alone and not him?
They do not arrest you for doing "worse" stuff. There are other factors.
You can go up to an IRS office and tell them you are not paying fed income taxes .... and you will probably not be arrested that day.
You can start walking towards the us president with flowers and a present ... and you will be arrested.
You can hurt people ... and not get arrested.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on April 30, 2008, 06:45 PM NHFT
What was the take? Big $$$?
Yes! ;D
More than I
usually make per. hour. 8)
Maybe I need to take up "Black Market" puppetry?
$45 or thereabout.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 30, 2008, 06:57 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 02:29 PM NHFT
Ok. So 1.) where is the video?, and 2.) Why did they leave Dave alone and not the "Outlaw Manicurist". I can't see how the Outlaw Manicurist did anything worse than what Dave did, so why did they let Dave alone and not him?
They do not arrest you for doing "worse" stuff. There are other factors.
You can go up to an IRS office and tell them you are not paying fed income taxes .... and you will probably not be arrested that day.
This is surprising. I mean if you walk up to them and admit to committing a crime, aren't they supposed to immediately take you into custody? Of course I don't agree with the IRS at all and think it should be abolished, but still it's surprising that they would do absolutely nothing in response to someone who walks up to an office and says "I don't pay taxes".
Quote
You can start walking towards the us president with flowers and a present ... and you will be arrested.
Are you sure Russell? I mean, one would think that what would happen is that the Secret Service would tell you that they need to inspect the flowers and the present to make sure there is no poison in them or anthrax or bombs or anything like that, and then the Secret Service would take them and then inspect them and then give them to the President once the inspection has concluded.
Quote
You can hurt people ... and not get arrested.
No argument there. I've seen incidents where bad cops have beat people up for no good reason, and of course they never arrest themselves.
video, with links to other videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L35jzML14A
Excellent! Watching the video gave me the warm fuzzies.
Quote from: Sapphire on April 30, 2008, 01:44 PM NHFT
Daisy told me over the phone, it went well, no one was arrested, and she liked the kids around.
(from the dogs mouth)
Uh oh. That means Dave wasn't the only one breaking the law. The Town Selectmen broke the law by not enforcing it.
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 05:28 PM NHFT
But John, the video stopped right after that guy called up the police and told them that there was an "illegal puppet show" going on, and told the police to come.
So did the police come and tell Dave to stop?
Calling the cops is the part Luke likes the most.
Daisy said she enjoyed doing her part of civ dis with protesting to a dog license.
i really enjoyed watching the videos, great job guys!!
Quote from: John on April 30, 2008, 04:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on April 30, 2008, 03:57 PM NHFT
Photos by Kira :D
Where's the "kiss" emocon?" {Kiss!}
Great job, Kira!
Thank you for covering this event! Nice pictures.
Thanks John
Quote from: mackler on May 01, 2008, 09:04 AM NHFT
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 05:28 PM NHFT
But John, the video stopped right after that guy called up the police and told them that there was an "illegal puppet show" going on, and told the police to come.
So did the police come and tell Dave to stop?
Calling the cops is the part Luke likes the most.
No it isn't. I was just wondering whether or not they came because I saw a man talking into a phone calling the police about the "illegal puppet show", and I was wondering if they came as a result of that phone call. But I suppose they didn't.
dont suppose, its bad for your karma. I assure you, they didnt come.
Suppose- to lay down tentatively as a hypothesis, assumption, or proposal.
Thanks again to all who helped and attended!
Main thing I'm wondering is what do you think we should do next?
My thoughts:
1) Move it to more locations, and perhaps more provocative locations.
2) Expand the event so that additional illegal commerce or activity is occurring
I envision doing puppet shows at a wide variety of porcupine gatherings.
I envision doing the next version of this event between the LOB and the State House next time, in an area we'd be out of the way but where we are guaranteed to face hassles from capitol police.
I like the idea of bringing unlicensed manicuring or illegal dancing into the mix, etc. Turn the state house grounds into a zone of commerce. They may not like that, but isn't commerce a better purpose than the area is currently being used for?
;D
Good job Dave.
Other ideas we tossed around yesterday:—
If doing it in the space between the State House and LOB elicits no response, we move to the State House steps. If that doesn't work, we go into the State House—the cafeteria, the front lobby, or perhaps the hallway outside Representatives' Hall, where the lobbyists all try to hand out information to the reps as they enter the Hall.
If we move this to Manchester at some point, do it in Veterans Park, along with a number of other civil disobedience ideas. Manchester has a huge number of idiotic ordinances above and beyond State law, that we could break. Ryan's been collecting information on these; things like dancing before 14:00 on a Sunday, sitting on the park fences, puppeteering gratis without a license, picking up trash in the park, &c..
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 01, 2008, 01:23 PM NHFT
Thanks again to all who helped and attended!
Main thing I'm wondering is what do you think we should do next?
My thoughts:
1) Move it to more locations, and perhaps more provocative locations.
2) Expand the event so that additional illegal commerce or activity is occurring
I envision doing puppet shows at a wide variety of porcupine gatherings.
I envision doing the next version of this event between the LOB and the State House next time, in an area we'd be out of the way but where we are guaranteed to face hassles from capitol police.
I like the idea of bringing unlicensed manicuring or illegal dancing into the mix, etc. Turn the state house grounds into a zone of commerce. They may not like that, but isn't commerce a better purpose than the area is currently being used for?
Since town selectmen are the ones obligated to enforce the law, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to do in in front of a town council meeting rather than the state Capitol.
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 02:29 PM NHFT
... and 2.) Why did they leave Dave alone and not the "Outlaw Manicurist". I can't see how the Outlaw Manicurist did anything worse than what Dave did, so why did they let Dave alone and not him?
There's no state board of puppetry in charge of puppeteer licenses.
There are no schools of puppetry making big money off would-be puppeteers trying to meet the license requirements, while the school owners hold influential positions on the examining board.
There aren't separate licenses, education requirements, and examining board for puppets vs. marionettes.
Quote from: KBCraig on May 01, 2008, 05:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: Luke S on April 30, 2008, 02:29 PM NHFT
... and 2.) Why did they leave Dave alone and not the "Outlaw Manicurist". I can't see how the Outlaw Manicurist did anything worse than what Dave did, so why did they let Dave alone and not him?
There's no state board of puppetry in charge of puppeteer licenses.
There are no schools of puppetry making big money off would-be puppeteers trying to meet the license requirements, while the school owners hold influential positions on the examining board.
There aren't separate licenses, education requirements, and examining board for puppets vs. marionettes.
I had a hunch that the reason was something like that.
Quote from: d_goddard on April 04, 2008, 08:35 AM NHFT
Quote from: mackler on April 04, 2008, 08:04 AM NHFT
I would find it highly amusing if an outlaw puppeteer sued the city for not imposing the penalty on him.
OMG... that could be... huge
WMUR & NECN would cover it, at very least. Could go national.
Fucking gorgeous.
O.K. Denis, I'll try again. This cavemen will accept your offer and post what follows for whatever exposure this may bring to another area of commercial, corporate jurisdiction that has usurped the limited constitutional constraints and established "Public Policy" to be the defacto rule and not the Law. Just go read the definition of "Statute". In any event, here we go.....
On Thu, 1 May 2008 22:01:08 +0000 Dick Marple <armlaw@hotmail.com> writes:
Subject: FW: Purportedly Abandoned propertyDate: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:08:29 +0000To the Publisher; Please go to www.missingmoney.com and enter my name Richard Marple, New Hampshire and you will see that my compensation as an elected representative (4 elections) I refused to accept the Article 15 compensation due each legislator as well as the mileage reimbursement as Income Tax, Social Security,and Medicare were unlawfully deducted from the checks that were sent. I hold the original checks, which have NOT been cashed! I will be happy to display this evidence to any who will ask to see them. This fraud upon the people must cease. Reps are elected representatives of the people who elected them. They are NOT employees of the CORPORATE STATE. All reps are exempt and the supreme courts decision in 1991fully settled that issue. For further reference, 29 USC 630 (f) clearly exempts "Elected officials" . The constitution is the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND and unlawful statutes, created by the corporate state aremere "Public Policy", without sanctions and are NOT law. Accordingly please consider the following letter below to the treasurer as an OP-Ed opinion or otherclassification you may have for your media. You may edit as long as the content is not changed. This letter is appropriate for exposure today with the daily depreciation of the purchasing power of Federal Reserve Notes with which we are compelled to conduct commerce. Thank you for your consideration. Richard Marple11 Dartmouth StreetHooksett, New Hampshire (Please scroll down for letter to Treasurer)
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From: armlaw@hotmail.com
To: ap@treasury.state.nh.us
Subject: Purportedly Abandoned property
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:55:33 +0000
Attention Madam Treasurer:
I have been patiently awaiting your study and completion in the reading of my files, established with your predecessors concerning the purported payments due me in accordance with Article 15, Part II of the New Hampshire constitution and now held in abandoned Property files?
It is clear that there has been no amendment to the Article 15 which would have changed the compensation from $200.00 for each elected representative for the biennium.
Hence, at the time Article 15 was ratified ,Federal Reserve Notes were not in existence and payment was made in silver dollars containing one troy ounce of silver. These are the same as those that are being minted today, as this is written, by our constitutional government. No amendment has been made to change the silver dollars in Article 15 into Federal Reserve Notes and corporate "Public Policy" can not change or amend a constitutional mandate. Only the people with 66 & 2/3 vote may amend Article 15.
Accordingly, legal tender is NOT lawfully money. Legal Tender is the creation of a corporate fiction defined in 28 USC 3002(15). This defacto corporate United States has a Board of Directors who the public know as a "congress". They have exclusive control over the area defined in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 and the insular possessions owned by that corporation. They do NOT own New Hampshire, which is a REPUBLIC, defined in Article Four, Section Four of the constitution.
I must simply ask that you obey the dictates of your conscience and your Oath of office and to Article Six, paragraph Two of the constitution, which is the supreme law of the land and deliver to this sovereign what is due to him in silver with compounded interest as provided in the document sent to me by your predecessor, Georgie Thomas and in the file that you were to review and contact me?
I look forward to your completion of this obligation.
Sincerely yours,
Richard Marple, Sui Juris
11 Dartmouth Street
Hooksett, New Hampshire
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 01, 2008, 01:23 PM NHFT
Thanks again to all who helped and attended!
Main thing I'm wondering is what do you think we should do next?
My thoughts:
1) Move it to more locations, and perhaps more provocative locations.
2) Expand the event so that additional illegal commerce or activity is occurring
I envision doing puppet shows at a wide variety of porcupine gatherings.
I envision doing the next version of this event between the LOB and the State House next time, in an area we'd be out of the way but where we are guaranteed to face hassles from capitol police.
I like the idea of bringing unlicensed manicuring or illegal dancing into the mix, etc. Turn the state house grounds into a zone of commerce. They may not like that, but isn't commerce a better purpose than the area is currently being used for?
Use nude puppets. Nah on second thought don't do that.
I like the idea of spoofing some of the other stupid laws within the puppet show itself... combined with some illegal dancing and nail filing, you'd be creating a real multiple crime scene.
You could "explain" things like the Patriot Act, Real ID or airport security using puppets to illustrate the downside of these policies. Or take the opposite approach and have the puppet explain why we "need" to have freedom taken away in order to be more protected...you know that whole freedom isn't free thing. What about something to do with free speech zones, is the right of a puppet to speak out covered under the 1st amendment ?
I wonder what the "rules" are on puppet shows at airports, or is that pushing it too far?
Take a copy of the Bill of rights and have the puppet read each one, lining them out while giving an example of why that right doesn't exist anymore and how it's been legislated away is given by the puppet. The patriotic puppet show yeah that's it. Redress your grievances and all that stuff. Thanks for being active.
After the puppet show, several of us were discussing this idea of having several separate and distinctly different and "illegal" acts going on all within the same "event" . . . I threw out as one example someone smoking a J-bar. (Pretty easy for me to suggest when I'm not the one who would be doing it. :-[ ) . . .
Anyway, the idea evolved to where many things would be going on (say like releasing some ballons ;D) some of which would be "illegal" and others would not.
Since so many of the laws make no sense at all, who would could know what was "legal" and what was not?
Biker Bill quipped; "I'll show you my law if you show me yours."
>:D
What's a j-bar?
I must be either old and/or from some other place, or you all are young and/or from some other place. :o
It's that weed girl. The weed. ;D
I can't handle those weeds any more, but might be willing to take a small toke for a good cause.
Toke? What's that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQ3pC9W1o4&feature=related
can someone tell me which law forbids demonstrating on House grounds without a permit?
also great job on the vids john and bill!
So like hitting someone?
Yes. Exactly.
Like hitting the weed.
Anyway, :) The frog was a prince, the prince was a brick, the brick was an egg, the egg was a bird. Quick, fly away . . . [That's just some reference from Genesis]
Anyway yes, like hitting someone up for a perfectly acceptable nice favor to likely be returned in one way or another. As among normal people with decent respect for on another. No force.
You might hit me up for a cup of rice, and I might hit you up for a ride to the store - that sort of thing.
Actually . . . :laughing4: :clapping: :deadhorse: :hammer: :glasses7: :crazy3:
One toke over the line sweet Jesus
One toke over the line
Sittin' downtown in a railway station
One toke over the line
Awaitin' for the train that goes home, sweet Mary
Hopin' that the train is on time
Sittin' downtown in a railway station
One toke over the line...
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 02, 2008, 07:20 PM NHFT
can someone tell me which law forbids demonstrating on House grounds without a permit?
also great job on the vids john and bill!
Can't find a state law, but here's the Concord ordinance:
15-3-1 Entertainment and Exhibitions.
A person shall not with or without pay:
(a) Perform any type of entertainment or exhibition whether or not a fee is charged for the entertainment or exhibition;
(b) Hold or engage in any parade or procession or demonstration or protest march upon any public street, way or property;
(c) Hold or take part in any open air public meeting upon any public street, way or property;
unless a license or permit therefor in writing, specifying the time, place and object for which said license is granted, shall first be obtained from the Licensing Officer. Applications for licenses under this Section shall be provided by the Licensing Officer.
Also under this ordinance, you'll notice, though the state law only bans
paid unlicensed puppeteering,
free unlicensed puppeteering is also illegal in Concord, as it is in Manchester.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 02, 2008, 07:20 PM NHFT
can someone tell me which law forbids demonstrating on House grounds without a permit?
I'm surprised you haven't asked that question of the person demanding said permit.
How about a place with a fence for the puppet show .... or a couple of us could hold up a curtain.
I've been holding this "curtain" up at events for many years.
http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=36&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=1041&scalesize=o
If there is to be a curtain, I'm thinking it should have some advertisement on it. ;)
Here is that background "curtain" at one early "outlaw" event.
I (maybe not obviously) positioned my curtain opposite the media's cameras.
http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=22&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=575&scalesize=o
In this photo - probably taken by Kira Dillon - I'm watching Kat Dillon [later Kanning] get a manicure from "The Outlaw Manicurist, Mike Fisher.
Background curtain April 15, 2005 at the Manchester post office.
http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=21&sort_mode=created_desc&imageId=554&scalesize=o
uggg... i forgot to list contact info on some of the news releases:
for the uninitiated...my number is 603 721 1490 and I"m dave ridley
mackler (or admin) could you post this message at the end of mackler's message on the top of this thread?
i will again need a ride to concord from manchester
and a sign that says "illegal gathering"
altho this time i might be able to make one of my own... never hurts to have more
I plan on going up, so I can take you again. I want to go to the SB337 exec session / protest, too, which is at 10:00. Is that too early?
no that's great i would love to videotape the 337 thing!
i will pm u and we can set up an exact time; thanks for wanting to stick with this.
THOUREAU and EMERSON civil DISOBEDIENCE link http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.pdf
**good COMPLETE STORY***
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excerpt
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Henry David Thoreau and "Civil Disobedience," Part 1
by Wendy McElroy, Posted July 25, 2005
Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3
Henry David Thoreau (1817–1862) was an introspective man who wandered the woods surrounding the small village of Concord, Massachusetts, recording the daily growth of plants and the migration of birds in his ever-present journal. How, then, did he profoundly influence such political giants as Mohandas Gandhi, Leo Tolstoy, and Martin Luther King Jr.?
The answer lies in a brief essay that has been variously titled but which is often referred to simply as "Civil Disobedience" (1849). Americans know Thoreau primarily as the author of the book Walden, or Life in the Woods (1854) but it is "Civil Disobedience" that established his reputation in the wider political world. It is one of the most influential political tracts ever written by an American.
"Civil Disobedience" is an analysis of the individual's relationship to the state that focuses on why men obey governmental law even when they believe it to be unjust. But "Civil Disobedience" is not an essay of abstract theory. It is Thoreau's extremely personal response to being imprisoned for breaking the law. Because he detested slavery and because tax revenues contributed to the support of it, Thoreau decided to become a tax rebel. There were no income taxes and Thoreau did not own enough land to worry about property taxes; but there was the hated poll tax — a capital tax levied equally on all adults within a community.
Thoreau declined to pay the tax and so, in July 1846, he was arrested and jailed. He was supposed to remain in jail until a fine was paid which he also declined to pay. Without his knowledge or consent, however, relatives settled the "debt" and a disgruntled Thoreau was released after only one night.
The incarceration may have been brief but it has had enduring effects through "Civil Disobedience." To understand why the essay has exerted such powerful force over time, it is necessary to examine both Thoreau the man and the circumstances of his arrest.
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Posted to the calendar for May 25:
Let's break three laws!
I"m tentatively proposing Sunday May 25 4pm as a date for the third outlaw puppeteer event.
Since the state house is now mostly inactive, I'm thinking Veterans' Park in Manchester should be the location.
This assumes I don't get arrested for the second puppet event may 6.
I'm also thinking that with each new event, we add a new harmless lawbreaking activity. Since this is the third event, we need to break three laws. I am willing to break three myself if I must, but I would prefer other volunteers initiate their own harmless, illegal activities.
Here is a list of harmless stuff that is illegal in new hampshire...some of these are safe to do because they're not enforced....other items on the list are still enforced.
I will try to add some more of the safe unenforced ones... like putting water in a milk container or cleaning litter from the white mountains.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=1672.0
Anyone willing to harmlessly break a law at the May 25 event?
I may be repeating this observation, cause I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but:
Tuesday may be the next Home School field trip/protest day. Which would be unbelievably awesome, cause at lunch time the state house lawn turns into lunch/recess. What better time for a puppet show?
i've committed to doing it at around 2pm, late for the "recess"
but i could do an earlier performance in the apr 30 location, for the kids
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 04, 2008, 10:51 PM NHFT
i've committed to doing it at around 2pm, late for the "recess"
but i could do an earlier performance in the apr 30 location, for the kids
I like that idea.
Also, everyone call the Concord Regional Crimeline at (603) 226-3100 during the event. The more reports they get, the harder it will be to ignore.
If the May 25 event will be in Manchester, here are some local ordinances that are easy to break:
§ 111.80 No showman, tumbler, rope-dancer, ventriloquist, juggler, or other person shall for
exhibit any feats of agility, horsemanship, sleight-of-hand, rope-dancing, or feats of cards,
animals, wax figures, puppets, or other show, or shall perform or exhibit any theatrical or
dramatic representation or other exhibition, performance, or show of any kind or description
the city, unless a license therefor in writing, specifying the day and hour such person is allowed
to perform or exhibit, shall first be obtained from the office of the City Clerk....
Notice no distinction is made regarding whether it's for pay. Who knows some card tricks?
§ 130.05 No person shall jog or run on any city street without wearing appropriately colored
clothing, such as orange, so as to be clearly visible to motorists during daylight hours. No person
shall jog or run on any city street without wearing appropriately luminescent clothing, such as a
safety vest, running suit, or reflective tape so as to be clearly visible to motorists during
nighttime hours and at dawn or dusk.
Jogging around the perimeter of the park, even in daylight, is illegal if you're wearing dark colors.
§ 130.38 No person shall, without lawful permission, climb on or over any fence of any garden or
yard.
Veterans Park has nice railings for sitting on.
if i do get arrested it would be helpful for someone to inform the press. here are some of my NH press emails below.
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Here is my media contact list for New Hampshire. Contacting these folks has borne fruit in the past. I'm listing either their e-mails or their e-mail submission forms. Don't let me and Mike be the only ones to use it!
WKXL radio in Concord
http://www.wkxl1450.com/dynamickxl/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=60
WMUR-TV Channel 9: http://www.thewmurchannel.com/contact/index.html
603 669 9999 wmur
Concord Monitor: news@cmonitor.com
NH public radio josh rogers staff reporter concord 603 223 2456 jrogers@npr.org
Portsmouth Herald, mail to "Editor, Portsmouth Herald" E-mailt to Executive Editor Howard Altschiller at haltschiller@seacoastonline.com or E-mail to managing editor Shir Haberman at shaberman@seacoastonline.com.
Keene Sentinel: news@keenesentinel.com
WKBK radio:
Dan Mitchell (talk show host) dmitchell@monadnockradiogroup.com
news@monadnockradiogroup.com
Union Leader writeus@unionleader.com
Free Talk Live FTL@freetalklive.com - syndicated but airs in NH some days, they talk about NH about once per show on average.
Gardner Goldsmith (libertarian talk show)
NH media that have not been covering us much yet:
Nashua Telegraph
NEWS TIPS: If you have a story idea, call 594-6467, fax 882-2681, or e-mail news@nashuatelegraph.com.
"... illegal to exhibit "natural or artificial curiosities" outdoors after 10:00 pm or indoors before 9:00 am without a license. ... And even with a license it is illegal to do so for more than two days in a row."
Oh, mercy! How many sex lives has THAT ruined?
How about a pari-mutuel game (http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/index.php?topic=734.0)?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 04, 2008, 10:31 PM NHFT... like putting water in a milk container...
How about an effort modeled after the "Got Milk?" campaign?
(http://abowlofstupid.com/wp-content/2007/01/clockwork_orange_got_milk_alex.jpg)
Dozens of people could carry milk containers with the saying...
NOT Milk?
There's something really wrong about calling the police to report your own civil disobedience. :(
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 06, 2008, 03:52 PM NHFT
There's something really wrong about calling the police to report your own civil disobedience. :(
Did Dave call the police? I thought last time it was a upstanding citizen that called and not the puppet man himself?
No, but one of our group.
(http://images.alibris.com/cover/t10004moao7_t.jpg)
Anyone care to report on what happened today?
I filed a crimestopper report online... Any luck getting arrested?
Quote from: doobie on May 07, 2008, 06:51 AM NHFT
I filed a crimestopper report online... Any luck getting arrested?
I guess everyone got arrested, since nobody is posting here...
Edit: ridleyreport.com looks like it has an update. I can't watch it right now though.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on May 06, 2008, 09:32 PM NHFT
Anyone care to report on what happened today?
Nothing.
The puppet show took place a little after 14:00 between the State House and the LOB, directly under the statue behind the State House. Amusingly, the Attorney General's office is in a building directly next to the State House and visible from this position. Two unoccupied DPS police cars were parked across the street, but no police were in sight. Dave did his puppet show, a bunch of us paid for it in order to ensure that it was illegal, and it finished without incident. A few state reps and a senator wandered by and we explained what we were doing. I called in to Porc411 to see if we could get more people to call Concord's anonymous tip hotline and report an "illegal puppet show" was taking place. When Dave was finished, a couple of bureaucrats came out of the State House and complained they couldn't work because of the noise, but that was it.
Because of the homeschooling bill, there were a lot of homeschoolers with their kids at the State House, so Dave also did an impromptu puppet show for the kids, in the previous location in front of the State House, at 12:00. (This also went off without incident.) Dave ended the show by telling the 15–20 kids that were there that it's all right to break laws, just don't hurt anyone. ;D
I think we've firmly established they're going to arbitrarily ignore the commission of a misdemeanor now, when it suits them.
Is that the 'just say no' to bad laws version for the kids. ;D
Good job guys, Dave in particular.
thanks all who came by!
ya you can see all the details at
http://youtube.com/watch?v=waoYj9JsA2U
nice job shooting by mark warden sitting in as guest ridleographer!
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 07, 2008, 12:06 PM NHFTWhen Dave was finished, a couple of bureaucrats came out of the State House and complained they couldn't work because of the noise, but that was it.
noise?
Well, they were puppets, not mimes...
Lest the frozen image is all we remember and thereby we forget: "Tank Man" did not simply stand still.
He may have been quite still (though I dought it is often possible) spiritually, his body moved as necessary.
Please, always remember that this hero was moving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ&feature=related
Third illegal act proposition:
Hire someone (adult or child) for $1/hr to help set up, or hold the cage, or film, or walk around with the can.
Ok here is the current plan plan for May 25; the only part that is really set in stone however is the date time and location.
I go to veteran's part at 4pm in central manchester and do the puppet show. but i also break one new law, and put out a request for one person to step forward and break some law of *their* choosing.
The new law i'd tentatively like to break is the minimum wage law. I find a homeless person in the park if possible, and hire them at the rate of 6.00 an hour, to hold the donation cup. This of course violates New Hampshire's new minimum wage by fifty cents. I am not positive tho if it would be breaking the law to hire a guy for only one half hour at that rate. anyone wanna check this out?
here was the information I used:
http://www.labor.state.nh.us/INS-Poster-NHMinimumWageLaw.pdf
The inspiration for this idea came from dan, and I like doing other people's ideas so it makes this more of a movement thing than a dave thing.
thougts/? suggested improvements?
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 15, 2008, 12:57 PM NHFT
The new law i'd tentatively like to break is the minimum wage law. I find a homeless person in the park if possible, and hire them at the rate of 6.00 an hour, to hold the donation cup. This of course violates New Hampshire's new minimum wage by fifty cents. I am not positive tho if it would be breaking the law to hire a guy for only one half hour at that rate. anyone wanna check this out?
If you're not breaking the minimum wage law, you're probably breaking a whole bunch of other laws regarding employment, IRS reporting requirements and such. Plus the cup might not be up to OSHA standards.
what if you don't find someone to work?
maybe the kid idea with someone you plan ahead with
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 15, 2008, 12:57 PM NHFT. . . I like doing other people's ideas so it makes this more of a movement thing than a dave thing.
thougts/? suggested improvements?
I know that you sometimes are looking for rides to various events. If there was a "charge" for the ride would that break a law? >:D
I bet it would be :) The taxi guild will come down on you.
Does Manchester have a "Gypsy Cab" industry?
I some cities, the practice is so prevalent that it constitutes a viable transportation option.
Sent to the Union Leader and Manch Express. is no one willing to step forward and break a third law? Will I have to do it myself?
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On Sunday, May 25, 2008, I will commit two illegal acts in downtown Manchester. I'll perform a wholesome puppet show for profit without a license, violating state law RSA 286:1. And I'll hire a homeless person (if any are available) to stand next to me with a collections cup. I'll pay her $6.00 an hour. This will violate RSA 279, the new statute which mandates a $6.50 minimum wage.
I'm protesting New Hampshire politicians' perverse enthusiasm for passing, and maintaining, unneeded laws...five million words of state laws at last count. And I'm checking to see how much stomach the authorities have for using force to impose these laws.
If Manchester police are really law enforcement officers, they should seize me and prevent me from helping, however slightly, this homeless person. They should stop me from entertaining, however briefly, the small crowd gathered. For the law clearly forbids both acts.
But if they are peace officers, they will confine their attention to the day's fraud and violence cases, knowing it is their moral duty to punish *only* aggressors and thieves. Either way, events like these will continue until I am arrested or have amassed a thousand dollars in constructive, illegal profits.
We invite readers to join us in Manchester's Veteran's Park starting 4 p.m. Sunday, that you may witness our "crimes." For more information, visit NHFree.com.
Quote from: John on May 17, 2008, 10:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 15, 2008, 12:57 PM NHFT. . . I like doing other people's ideas so it makes this more of a movement thing than a dave thing.
thougts/? suggested improvements?
I know that you sometimes are looking for rides to various events. If there was a "charge" for the ride would that break a law? >:D
Sounds like a possiblity! obviously I'm looking for a second law breaker to be the one to break the third law.
Dave,
Be sure not to drink water out of an empty milk bottle, or use a old milk crate to hold your contraband, er, puppets. That would cause serious public unrest.
It is my favorite of our stupid laws that need to be repealed.
Quote from: highline on May 19, 2008, 04:40 PM NHFT
Be sure not to drink water out of an empty milk bottle, or use a old milk crate to hold your contraband, er, puppets.
Oh, I like the idea of breaking as many silly laws at once as you can. Maybe you really should do this and have a pamphlet to hand out that talks about what all you're doing.
Quote from: dalebert on May 20, 2008, 06:56 AM NHFT
Quote from: highline on May 19, 2008, 04:40 PM NHFT
Be sure not to drink water out of an empty milk bottle, or use a old milk crate to hold your contraband, er, puppets.
Oh, I like the idea of breaking as many silly laws at once as you can. Maybe you really should do this and have a pamphlet to hand out that talks about what all you're doing.
This law is not to be tangled with Dale. Even speaking about it causes me anxiety.
184:30-d Use of Milk Containers. – No milk and milk product container shall be used as a receptacle for any substance other than dairy products.
184:30-f Penalty. – Any person who shall violate any of the provisions of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. ::)
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 19, 2008, 03:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: John on May 17, 2008, 10:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 15, 2008, 12:57 PM NHFT. . . I like doing other people's ideas so it makes this more of a movement thing than a dave thing.
thougts/? suggested improvements?
I know that you sometimes are looking for rides to various events. If there was a "charge" for the ride would that break a law? >:D
Sounds like a possiblity! obviously I'm looking for a second law breaker to be the one to break the third law.
I plan to join the "OUTLAW" team on the 25th.I can not commit to rides to-and-from most events but, I'll charge you for a ride around the block. I'll charge you $1.
It somehow seems appropriate that I charge the same price that Mr. Fisher charged Ms. Dillon in the first famous Free Stater OUTLAW demonstation.
We are HOME now! :campfire: Let's keep working. Let's all get BRAVE!
To all of you others: PLEASE COME HOME! P{Lease come OM!
3~(* :icon_cheers:
Quote from: dalebert on May 20, 2008, 06:56 AM NHFT
Quote from: highline on May 19, 2008, 04:40 PM NHFT
Be sure not to drink water out of an empty milk bottle, or use a old milk crate to hold your contraband, er, puppets.
Oh, I like the idea of breaking as many silly laws at once as you can. Maybe you really should do this and have a pamphlet to hand out that talks about what all you're doing.
I think that's a great idea!
You could have a one-page handout to give to curious passers-by.
It could have a big headline that reads
What's going on here?And then the actual text of each law that's being violated.
Then maybe the names and home phone numbers of all the reps who voted against the bill to repeal unnecessary laws...
People's eyes will glaze over if they have to read legalese.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 15, 2008, 12:57 PM NHFT
I am not positive tho if it would be breaking the law to hire a guy for only one half hour at that rate. anyone wanna check this out?
I'm pretty sure that this would violate the minimum wage law.
Other laws that will definitely be violated, or could easily be:
- failure to confirm that homeless person is legal to work in the U.S. by requiring him to show a minimum of two forms of government ID as specified on form I-9
- if you hire someone under age 16, you'll violate child labor law
- if you hire someone *because* they are/are not black/female/old/gay/handicapped, you'll violate Equal Opportunity law
- if you stand next to your employee and smoke a cigarette, you'll probably be violating an OSHA law
QuoteHave you got a 27 B stroke 6? Sorry, I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork.
Why are we caring about laws that are no longer enforced? What's the difference?
Oops! Sorry!
Before I cross this line, I'm thinking I'll do some more strategery about how I'll handle fall out. Maybe adventures in leagal land type stuff? . . .
:-[Please pardon my jumping the gun! :-[
I love the ride for a fee idea.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 19, 2008, 03:23 PM NHFT
Sent to the Union Leader and Manch Express. is no one willing to step forward and break a third law? Will I have to do it myself?
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On Sunday, May 25, 2008, I will commit two illegal acts in downtown Manchester. I'll perform a wholesome puppet show for profit without a license, violating state law RSA 286:1. And I'll hire a homeless person (if any are available) to stand next to me with a collections cup. I'll pay her $6.00 an hour. This will violate RSA 279, the new statute which mandates a $6.50 minimum wage.
I'm protesting New Hampshire politicians' perverse enthusiasm for passing, and maintaining, unneeded laws...five million words of state laws at last count. And I'm checking to see how much stomach the authorities have for using force to impose these laws.
Cool
What would be your choice of titles for the article in the paper or event name? Outlaw Puppeteer 3
I don't know if we will be there.
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/115
current article ... let me know if it needs to changed or added to.
Sent to Concord feds, asst u.s. attny.
USANH.Webmail@usdoj.gov
For Arnold Huftalen: Civil dis of possible DOJ interest
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Dear Arnold:
I don't know if you remember me or not, but you helped put me in jail last year for distributing respectfully-worded leaflets in the Nashua IRS lobby. Though I disapprove of many things you do, I appreciated your polite and professional approach to the bizarre task assigned you.
On Sunday, May 25, 2008, I and perhaps others will commit three new "illegal" acts in downtown Manchester. Though we are mainly protesting state statutes, one of the acts may violate Federal law. I will commit it regardless.
First, I'll perform a for-profit puppet show without a license, breaching state law. I or others will place tap water into carefully sterilized milk containers, offering it to any destitute who want it. This violates state law as well. Lastly, and of potential interest to you, I'll hire a homeless person (if any are available) to stand next to me with a collections cup for the puppet show. I'll pay her $6.00 an hour. This will violate the state's minimum wage mandates. But hopefully it will violate unjust Federal law as well. Although the working environment will be safe, I will not attempt to follow OSHA regulations, and I will not report anyone's earnings to the Internal Robbery Squadron.
We're doing this, Arnold, to make life better for everyone in New Hampshire, including you. We're protesting NH politicians' perverse enthusiasm for passing, and preserving, unneeded laws...five million words of state laws at last count. Those politicians are getting letters similar to this one. But felt I should inform you too, as a courtesy. Though frightening, it is always a great honor to be attacked by such a mighty and harmful institution as yours.
If in fact I am in violation of Federal law, and if you really are just an officer of law, you should send enforcers to seize me and prevent us from aiding, however slightly, the people of the street in this manner. But if you are public servants with free will and conscience, you will confine your attention to the day's fraud and violence cases, knowing it is your moral duty to punish *only* aggressors and thieves.
When you placed me in your dungeon on the "Distribution of Handbills" charge, your jailers said that was exactly how they felt. They wanted to cage only bad guys. So we know there is hope, even for your bloated and corrupted institution.
We'll begin around 4:00 p.m. at Manchester's Veteran's Park. Events of this type will continue until I am arrested or have amassed a thousand dollars in constructive, illegal profits. Because I am a war tax resister, I will not surrender any of these profits to the torture-funding IRS.
Again...this is a civil disobedience campaign focused on reducing the number of state laws. Federal violations are likely to be incidental. I was impressed by your institution's apparent decision not to jail Kat Kanning or Lauren Canrio over their IRS sit-ins. That step in the right direction made me want to leave you be. But Federal laws are hard to understand and hard to completely follow during a peaceful noncooperation campaign. So from time to time you may hear from me; I'll plan to inform you or the relevant Washington bureaucracies whenever I expect to violate U.S. law as part of this endeavor.
Yours with best wishes,
Dave Ridley
Outlaw Leafletter #2
(contact info)
The Revolution is now televised
http://RidleyReport.com
thanks russell! looks good!
sent similar notes to MPD, Manch city hall and the NH AG's office
also my play will be a new one:
"The Night Mike Fisher Spent in Jail"
I was thinking I'd drive to Manchester from Keene for this on Sunday, so we may have extra space for someone to tag along. It's only going to be $1 for the ride. :)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 22, 2008, 05:34 AM NHFT
I was thinking I'd drive to Manchester from Keene for this on Sunday, so we may have extra space for someone to tag along. It's only going to be $1 for the ride. :)
That's a steal considering the price of gas right now. The extra weight in your car will probably cost you more than that in gas. =\
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 19, 2008, 03:23 PM NHFT
is no one willing to step forward and break a third law? Will I have to do it myself?
I was planning on doing the milk-container one, if I'm there—but I'm not 100% sure I'm going to be there or be there when it starts, so I hadn't said anything yet.
4 pm.
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 10:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 19, 2008, 03:23 PM NHFT
is no one willing to step forward and break a third law? Will I have to do it myself?
I was planning on doing the milk-container one, if I'm there—but I'm not 100% sure I'm going to be there or be there when it starts, so I hadn't said anything yet.
don't worry ... someone can call the cops on you when you get there :)
Shame it's at 4pm, conflicts with Social Sundays in Keene.
Anyway, here's a suggestion.
Instead of trying to find a homeless person, why not just hire a kid? Then you'll be violating underage working laws as well as minimum wage laws. Plus, the kid will actually put the money to good use as opposed to buying alcohol or cigarettes as the bum will most likely.
Dave "Robber Baron" Ridley :icon_pirat:
Quote from: FTL_Ian on May 22, 2008, 12:31 PM NHFT
Shame it's at 4pm, conflicts with Social Sundays in Keene.
Sundays are damned busy days now.
we gotta put that Ridley guy in jail so we can have more time for other things
I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet (and I apologize for not doing so sooner myself, but since I was supposed to be out of town this weekend, I hadn't been paying much attention to Free State activities taking place this weekend), but Sky Show (http://www.skyshow16.com/main.html) (otherwise known as the huge party replete with fireworks and live music that the City of Manchester throws each year on the anniversary of my arrival in the Free State ;D ) is taking place that day in Manchester. Every on-duty cop will be down by the mills. You'd be hard-pressed to find a worse place and time to perform an act of civil disobedience. Sorry. :-\
meaning busy? or no cops?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 23, 2008, 09:29 AM NHFT
meaning busy? or no cops?
Meaning, if your goal is to tweak the nose of the authorities, and/or attract the attention of uninformed members of the public, this is a bad place and time to do it, as neither of those two groups will be paying any attention. The public will be listening to music and eating fried dough down by the river, while the cops will be hard at work watching the public eat fried dough down by the river, making sure they don't, well... you know. ::)
I see
There's usually a police car every few minutes going up or down Elm Street. That probably means there'll only be one or two an hour instead.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 21, 2008, 04:55 PM NHFT
I love the ride for a fee idea.
I'll maybe charge you for a ride around town without announcing it to anyone:
Maybe we'll just pretend we are Free! Silly me; thinking we live in a Free country.
HEY- Maybe we
are Free and
we they just don't realize it -yet? Let's give it another try.
Quote from: Friday on May 23, 2008, 09:15 AM NHFTeach year on the anniversary of my arrival in the Free State ;D )
Dude - Friday!
That reminds me of an old dear friend. ;D ;D ;D ;D WELCOME HOME! They have fireworks for you to? :D
I would love to someday have a date again with someone who has firewoks on the day of their arrival. It is very nice.
You need more federal offenses. Who's up for...
melting a penny with a blowtorch?
And if you're really hardcore, you could try to sell the melted blob of metal to someone for two cents!
And then melt one of the two pennies you got for the blob of metal, and so on...
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 22, 2008, 11:51 AM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on May 22, 2008, 10:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 19, 2008, 03:23 PM NHFT
is no one willing to step forward and break a third law? Will I have to do it myself?
I was planning on doing the milk-container one, if I'm there—but I'm not 100% sure I'm going to be there or be there when it starts, so I hadn't said anything yet.
don't worry ... someone can call the cops on you when you get there :)
I would.
The very fabric of our society and all social order is held together by the fact that it is a misdemeanor to put anything other than a dairy product in a milk container.
Ghandi, MLK, and Rosa Parks themselves would not dare something so serious.
(http://207.218.242.35/default/images/smilies/ohmygod.gif)
can someone bring a super-well-cleaned milk container or two, preferably cleaned with bleach or something?
and a thermometer showing us 60 dollars of the way to our 1000 dollar goal?
I could do thermometer. Don't have no milk, though.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 24, 2008, 12:33 PM NHFT
I could do thermometer. Don't have no milk, though.
thanks!
Got a 32oz. plastic milk bottle, which I planned on filling with soda (Mountain Dew, specifically) unless you've a better idea. It's the typical translucent plastic bottle, which I imagine the chartreuse-colored soda will show easily through.
Will clean thoroughly once empty of the actual milk product. ;D
Well, I was sad that it looked like I would have to miss this because the first NH Pink Pistols shoot is happening in Deerfield. However, I see that it's at 4pm, which is a little later in the afternoon. I don't know exactly when we'll be done, but perhaps it's possible for us to do a field trip from Deerfield. I think the shoot starts around noonish. :D
Quote from: dalebert on May 24, 2008, 01:27 PM NHFT
Well, I was sad that it looked like I would have to miss this because the first NH Pink Pistols shoot is happening in Deerfield. However, I see that it's at 4pm, which is a little later in the afternoon. I don't know exactly when we'll be done, but perhaps it's possible for us to do a field trip from Deerfield. I think the shoot starts around noonish. :D
Ryan scheduled the shoot from 12:00/15:00 to coördinate with this event, if I recall correctly.
(And this is why I'm not sure I'm going to be back in Manchester on time—I'll be in Deerfield from early morning through 15:00.)
Jeremy you better go ahead and do the drinking .... Dada might have to bleach the milk bottle a couple of times. :)
If I make it there .... I could wear a monkey suit if you want to bring it Dada. It might be too much trouble for you though.
Does this look like what you wanted, or were you thinking something fancier?
i scheduled it in cooperation with ryan so that it wouldn't interfere with the pink pistol event
however i'm running too far behind to attend both
that is awesome kat!
why would i want something to be fancy? lol
i left the wookie suit in seabrook :(
if anyone is coming from there plz bring! It is in the tannish looking plastic wal mart container
news release minus some contact into
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Illegal Manch puppet show to breach minimum wage law
What: Puppet show to violate three laws
When: Sunday, May 25, 2008. Starting around 4:00 p.m.
Where: Veteran's Park, 889 Elm St., Manchester, New Hampshire. Probably near Elm itself.
How: "Outlaw Puppeteer" will peform for profit without license, violating RSA 286:1
Will pay homeless person (if any are willing) $6 an hour to hold collection cup, violating RSA 279
Will put water in milk container offer it to other homeless, violating RSA 184:30
Who: Dave Ridley, 41, of NHfree.com. Ridley is a Manchester videographer.
Projected turnout is 20, mostly NHfree.com folks
Why: Protest state legislature's refusal to repeal unnecessary laws.
Latest
details: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13574.255
Dear folks at Manchester City Hall and MPD:
On Sunday, May 25, 2008, I and perhaps others will commit three illegal acts in downtown Manchester. I'll perform a for-profit puppet show without a license, violating RSA 286:1. And I'll hire a homeless person (if any are available) to stand next to me with a collections cup. I'll pay her $6.00 an hour. This will violate RSA 279, the law which recently mandated a $6.50 minimum wage. Lastly, I or others will place tap water into carefully sterilized milk containers, violating RSA 184:30-d. I or others will offer this water to any destitute who want it.
We're protesting New Hampshire politicians' perverse enthusiasm for passing, and preserving, unneeded laws...five million words of state laws at last count. And we're checking to see how much stomach you have for using force to impose such laws.
If you really are just bureaucrats and officers of law, you should send enforcers to seize me and prevent us from aiding, however slightly, the people of the street. You should stop me from entertaining, however briefly, the small crowd gathered. For as best I can read them, the statutes clearly forbid all these acts.
But if you are public servants and peace officers, you will confine your attention to the day's fraud and violence cases, knowing it is your moral duty to punish *only* aggressors and thieves.
We'll begin around 4:00 p.m. at Veteran's Park. Events like this one will continue until I am arrested or have amassed a thousand dollars in constructive, illegal profits.
Yours,
Dave Ridley
Outlaw Puppeteer
contact info etc.
I'll be there open carrying.... if we get more than 3 is that an illegal loitering event?
see you guys there
cop watch
plenty all day in Manchester
one on side of road in Bedford
side of the road in Amhurst
side of road in milford
wilton
none in dublin or peterborough .... nice
side of road in marlborough
2 near traffic circle in Keene
I guess the show of force for the weekend is going strong
http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=115
Kira's photos
It was a pretty good show. The guy made a few bucks since he refuses to pay his help a living wage.
Thanks Kira. ;D 8)
thanks to all who showed and donated!
so....can anyone confirm or refute the rumor that it is illegal under state law to feed someone else's parking meter?
how about city ordinances? not sure an ordinance would be as relevant to our crusade but anyway...
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 25, 2008, 08:06 PM NHFT
http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=115
Kira's photos
Nice job Kira!
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 25, 2008, 10:15 PM NHFT
thanks to all who showed and donated!
Mine was NOT a donation: I paid to see your Brand New Play about Mr. Fisher!
It was worth more than I paid. >:D I'll happily come back for more!
Early (first) video report?
A bit long and kinda choppy - but captures the event.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PHONHJohn
I enjoyed the play :) I hope Mike Fisher watches it.
That is the best puppet show I have seen in years!
If you want to get arrested Dave ... you could do plays about certain government groups and hold it in front of their office. That will speed up that process. :)
Quote from: John on May 25, 2008, 11:05 PM NHFT
Early (first) video report?
A bit long and kinda choppy - but captures the event.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PHONHJohn
Thanks, John...nice video!
Good job on the video, John! :clapping:
Great puppet show, Dave! :toocool:
Da-Da, is there an update on the amount of money you've earned as a puppeteer? I'd like to include that in the article I'm working on. Article goes to the printer tomorrow.
Thanks for the feedback. Glad the video came out OK.
Very bright late afternoon made for pretty very harsh lighting. + Being near the main street . . . (and the park) made for lots & lots of background noise. Plus, I was experimenting with a (my ;)) new technique. Bla bla bla . . .
While Dave Ridley can take some credit for having trained me in the school of Ridleyography, none of the blame should go towards him. ;D
Add what I learned in Ridleyography school to my own old artistic musings and there's no telling what the results will be.
(Did you notice that I was able to bring this in at exactly the 10:00 minute mark?) :blush:
;D
BTW - It is kind of an exclusive here on NHfree.com. :-*
Quote from: John on May 26, 2008, 10:05 AM NHFT
(Did you notice that I was able to bring this in at exactly the 10:00 minute mark?) :blush:
;D
Yes :)
Thanks John. ;D 8)
Dave,
How do you feel about hiring an underage worker instead of a homeless person? You'd break an extra law, and could bring in a well-spoken youngster to be the employee. Might garner more attention in the media...
When/if they come down on our friend Dave Ridley, it will/could be with a TON of "bricks tricks." "They" may be amassing charges as the thermomiter rises. Know what I'm sayin'?
"They" (the government goons) sure do. That's the way some organized gangs work.
What will we/I/you do IF "they" come down on Dave?
As Mr. Dave Ridley's new play about Mr. Fisher illustarted, there is clearly a need to consider what happens IF an arrest comes.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 26, 2008, 09:50 AM NHFT
Da-Da, is there an update on the amount of money you've earned as a puppeteer? I'd like to include that in the article I'm working on. Article goes to the printer tomorrow.
I'm up to 85 bucks now
Quote from: FTL_Ian on May 26, 2008, 10:49 AM NHFT
Dave,
How do you feel about hiring an underage worker instead of a homeless person? You'd break an extra law, and could bring in a well-spoken youngster to be the employee. Might garner more attention in the media...
yep that idea is near the top of the list
Outlaw Puppeer Strikes Again (http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/137)
Will edit to add the $85
Where are the other videos? Don't let the "extreme" light and incessant sound conditions hold you back.
Give us just a little then.
If you don't hurry up and give us something, I'll maybe have to go into my (40+ min.) tape and play editor some more.
Hello! Give us just a little. :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kbwfCbRZAs
Biker Bill's
Quote from: FTL_Ian on May 26, 2008, 10:49 AM NHFT
Dave,
How do you feel about hiring an underage worker instead of a homeless person? You'd break an extra law, and could bring in a well-spoken youngster to be the employee. Might garner more attention in the media...
LOL. Ian doesn't want to encourage homelessness!
:D
my vid is up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uDFZrQTUYA
See Dave with hair.
See Dave with no hair.
I really liked the minimum wage disobedience. If you want opinions about future events, I would keep this one.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 27, 2008, 09:44 AM NHFT
See Dave with hair.
See Dave with no hair.
I really liked the minimum wage disobedience. If you want opinions about future events, I would keep this one.
Agreed. Breaking statutes like that makes the event more relevant.
So, when's the next one, Dave?
I ran into the homeless guy on Monday when I was walking through Manchester. We chatted for a bit. Seems like a good person. We chatted for a while and I wished him luck. It sounded like he's heading out to Illinois in a few weeks for work.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on May 27, 2008, 09:50 AM NHFT
So, when's the next one, Dave?
In his movie he said maybe September.
It looks like you didn't break the federal minimum wage law, Dada. It's $5.85/hr for another month or so.
http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-flsa.htm
It said non-exempt....I wonder who's exempt from minimum wage?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 27, 2008, 01:39 PM NHFT
It looks like you didn't break the federal minimum wage law, Dada. It's $5.85/hr for another month or so.
http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-flsa.htm
It said non-exempt....I wonder who's exempt from minimum wage?
I believe he was breaking NH's minimum wage of $6.50.
I must have missed the Sept mention. Any idea why the long break?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 27, 2008, 01:39 PM NHFT
It looks like you didn't break the federal minimum wage law, Dada. It's $5.85/hr for another month or so.
http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-flsa.htm
It said non-exempt....I wonder who's exempt from minimum wage?
Taxi drivers... people who get tips... things of that nature.
Well, he was sending a press release to the feds, so thought he might be trying for fed lawbreaking on minimum wage, too.
Looks like Dave will be in and out of town, so that's why the delay until September.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on May 27, 2008, 01:39 PM NHFT
It said non-exempt....I wonder who's exempt from minimum wage?
Anyone who works primarily for tips (bartenders, wait staff).
As a general rule, "FLSA exempt" means salaried managers don't get overtime pay. There are specific exemptions for nurses and firefighters, who work non-traditional hours and might be subject to being on call.