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Title: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 02, 2008, 02:57 PM NHFT
I don't think we have a thread going about this yet. There is some discussion on the thread started by SamIAm, but I think he only wanted feedback on seminars he could do at Porcfest 2008.

Kat and I will be visiting the AltExpo on one of the days.

What is the schedule so far?

Should we do what we did last year (Kat answers questions about the NH Free Press and info on starting your own paper - Russell answers your questions about being a nut in The Shire)?
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Pat K on June 02, 2008, 03:20 PM NHFT
Russell (on the left) and one of his minions.

(http://englishrussia.com/images/ukraine_ufo/2.jpg)
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Lex on June 02, 2008, 03:30 PM NHFT
When was Russell in Ukraine? Per above photo.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Pat K on June 02, 2008, 03:32 PM NHFT
Thats on a need to know basis.

But they do have secret nut training facility's there.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 02, 2008, 08:40 PM NHFT
I was thinking we could have a session where we reveal the true goals for The Shire.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Jim Johnson on June 02, 2008, 09:25 PM NHFT
Thats on a need to know basis.

But they do have secret nut training facility's there.

Mmmm.... secret nuts.

Wait... Russell is going to expose the true goal of The Shire?   :o
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 02, 2008, 09:29 PM NHFT
don't tell the feds

also .... what is the schedule for AltExpo #2 2008?

I was thinking we could have anyone interested in Grafton come and visit on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 03, 2008, 10:23 AM NHFT
Tell our love story?  :love1: :love4: :newheart:
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 03, 2008, 10:32 AM NHFT
I could give a class:  How to Flirt:  For Geeks.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: dalebert on June 03, 2008, 11:38 AM NHFT
I was thinking we could have anyone interested in Grafton come and visit on Wednesday.

Is Grafton part of the tours? If not, then an unofficial carpool would probably be in order.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 03, 2008, 11:42 AM NHFT
Maybe somebody else should give the presentation. :-\

Oh  :-[
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 04, 2008, 07:38 AM NHFT
I was thinking we could have anyone interested in Grafton come and visit on Wednesday.

Is Grafton part of the tours? If not, then an unofficial carpool would probably be in order.

It was last year ... I don't think it is this year.
Wednesday is the the day for Concord.
You can let everyone know that Wednesday afternoon would be a great time to visit Grafton. :)
It is i nice drive to Grafton and you can go at least 2 different ways. That is the nice way of saying "you can't get there from heyah."
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 04, 2008, 11:50 AM NHFT
Wow! Just found this thread as I was about to start a thread of the same name. Good thing I looked.

Everything is chaos here at AltExpo HQ in cyberspace, but I hope to post the tentative lineup of talks tonight. I'm out of state, though and can't get on the site myself (I could yesterday - what gives?)

Russell and Kat are of course invited. I actually have Russell listed (on the tentative list) for Welcome to the Shire! Wanna do that one Russell?

The youth group topic is tentatively 3PM Saturday, so Kira would probably be interested in that. I have the intro by a guy who knows more about Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts history than anyone else in the state. Plus he knows about the history of other youth groups that didn't make it long term. Then after him we can open it up to a session for what the kids would like and what the adults would volunteer to do to help set up and support the group (If the kids want any outside help)

We have a few other interesting things we're cooking up for this year, including a community currency experiment - we're open to ideas about that - so far we're planning on using basically the Ithaca Hour model with some variations.

In all of this, though, we need some volunteers, some money partners for a few small expenses that we believe we can re-imburse at the end out of the proceeds of a couple of fundraisers that will happen at the event.

I've got to publish the basic essay about the "Alternatives Strategy" or "Why the Alternatives Expo". I've delivered this in person to several people over the last couple of years, but I know I've got to get it in writing and published.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 04, 2008, 11:55 AM NHFT
Oh, yeah, so this is a near-final call for presenters... if you have a topic that you think other Porcs should hear about, we'll give you an hour to give it your best shot. You'll also get your own page on the AltExpo site that you can create and edit. We are hoping the site can be an indexed and searchable resource for all the alternatives ideas in New-Hampshire (with whatever outside the Shire sources cited, as well, if there's not enough here). Presenters get an AltExpo.org email address and a free cup of coffee, too!  ;D

email: talk@AltExpo.org if you'd like to present or if you know of someone or some topic you'd like to hear.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 04, 2008, 08:12 PM NHFT
Boy, that asking for volunteers and money really shut down this thread, eh?

I'm in the boonies on a satellite dish and can't get to the AltExpo site myself to edit it, so, here are a few teasers from memory:

The Lowdown, Inside Track on the Shire (eh, Russell?);
Katherine Albrecht is all but confirmed - talking about RFID chips and the latest on VeriChip, the human implant people;
Steve Goodale returns with his latest research on deep politics;
Youth group history, esp. Boy/Girl scouts & forming a pro-freedom youth group;
Permaculture design and ecovillage living in New-Hampshire (with 2 tours of the ecovillage);
Tiny Houses and minimalist living;
Creating and running a small newspaper (eh, Kat?)
Shire Silver, a standard for distributed manufacturing of metal money in the Shire;
Willing Workers on Organic Farms - how to come to New-Hampshire, work and get room and board right off;
Unplugging from the Matrix - roundtable;
Freedom Force International introduction;
Running a small animal farm (not a George Orwell novel);
Amateur Radio in the freedom movement;
Time is Money; How to use the Expo Hour and forget the Fed;
SamIAm talks on The Law of Attraction;
and more presentations to be announced.

There will be videos out the wazoo

Hospitality in the Pistol Pub all day Saturday - cash bar reception from 4-7PM

but, that's not all....
Some of it I can't remember because I can't access the area of the site where I keyed it all in  :'(

Be sure to register on the site: http://AltExpo.org to get announcements and final details. As soon as I can access it again, I'll put the tentative schedule up on the home page of the site - it'll get edited til things start.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 04, 2008, 08:16 PM NHFT
I saw the pre-edition of the Grafton Gazette today  :D  Maybe you'd want the editor of that paper.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 04, 2008, 09:30 PM NHFT
Wow! Just found this thread as I was about to start a thread of the same name. Good thing I looked.

Russell and Kat are of course invited. I actually have Russell listed (on the tentative list) for Welcome to the Shire! Wanna do that one Russell?
I copied your old one.

Yes

"Welcome to The Shire"!

.... oh wait .... not until the right time
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: dalebert on June 04, 2008, 09:32 PM NHFT
For what it's worth, I'm planning to volunteer some.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 04, 2008, 09:33 PM NHFT
Boy, that asking for volunteers and money really shut down this thread, eh?

The Lowdown, Inside Track on the Shire (eh, Russell?);
Whatever day we are there .... I will be hanging out at the Altexpo (if anyone is looking for me)

I will be in Keene on Tuesday for the Porcfest official tour and Grafton on Wednesday for unofficial visits .....

man you are tough Jack ... no responses in 6 hours and you is crackin the whip
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 04, 2008, 09:34 PM NHFT
For what it's worth...

some
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: doobie on June 04, 2008, 09:43 PM NHFT
How do we determine when something is schedule for?  I'm signed up to do the 'Amateur Radio in the freedom movement;' talk/discussion and wanted to make sure it's Thursday evening, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 04, 2008, 09:45 PM NHFT
I think he will put on up on the site.
We almost need different threads for each day already. Altexpo is out of control.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 02:53 AM NHFT
How do we determine when something is schedule for?  I'm signed up to do the 'Amateur Radio in the freedom movement;' talk/discussion and wanted to make sure it's Thursday evening, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.


I had problems accessing the site - spent hours getting nowhere on that today and lost work time. Now it's up again, but I need sleep.

On your talk, just write to talk@AltExpo.org to tell us what time you'd prefer or what times you can't do and we'll throw out a tentative schedule on the site (tomorrow). It'll have to go through several jugglings before it's settled.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 02:58 AM NHFT
For what it's worth, I'm planning to volunteer some.


Thanks, Dale - it's very much appreciated.

There are a couple of areas where we'll need some help - it's usually pretty benign stuff, like hanging around to make sure equipment doesn't get stolen and reminding the presenter that their time's up, and reading that annoying script where we request donations at the end of each talk to pay expenses, etc.

We could probaly use some help handing out flyers with our schedule on it - write volunteer@AltExpo.org and thanks in advance.

Oh, yeah, and next time we do this, I need a volunteer to remind me to start a month earlier!  :blush:
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 03:02 AM NHFT
SamIAm talks on The Law of Attraction

When is this talk scheduled for?

I've got to find out what preferred times Sam would like, or when he has conflicts. Sam, email in to talk@AltExpo.org and let me know what you need for schedule time and let's talk about when we can view the Secret (we should have video equipment, but our IT & A/V guy had to go to the MidWest due to a death in the family - I'm kinda sweating his return...)
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 05, 2008, 07:35 AM NHFT
a campout will never be the perfect location for viewing movies ... we can survive if we are stuck with actually talking to each other about the concepts. :)

How can the rest of us help with the website? It seemed like you could change the pages ... maybe we could start with a skeleton calendar and keep changing it.

I could start things off on Friday. :)
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: ancapagency on June 05, 2008, 11:52 AM NHFT
The presentation on Mediation and Alternative Conflict Resolution will need to be BEFORE Friday--I will not be at Porcfest after Friday AM. 

The presentation will be pretty short on my part--my plan is to cover the basics and then open it up for questions and discussion.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 12:45 PM NHFT
a campout will never be the perfect location for viewing movies ... we can survive if we are stuck with actually talking to each other about the concepts. :)

Thanks Russell, that's some good survival!

Last year we draped a darker tarp over the white tent to block light, so the screen area was in the dark end - that actually worked pretty well to even show videos in daylight. If someone has a large dark tarp (they make them brown with a foil side), that would be cool. I have a large blue one that might work. I'm going to need some more tent stakes for those - anyone know the best place to get some rugged ones - wind ripped the little bent wire metal ones right out of the ground last year. I think we added a couple of the metal fire rings around the periphery to hold it down - bricks might work, too (my favorite thing to bring on a campout - more heavy stuff!)

How can the rest of us help with the website? It seemed like you could change the pages ... maybe we could start with a skeleton calendar and keep changing it.

Ron says we can have a google calendar show up on a webpage, so that might be the ticket. Last year Caleb volunteered to be the scheduler, but maybe we could have joint schedulization this year. I'll start the google calendar and share it with you, so you can make changes, too, or so that other people can view it if we give them the link. Then I'll figure out how to make it appear on the site (maybe with a little help from Ron or Steve)

I could start things off on Friday. :)

Thanks, Russell - the famous "Welcome to the Shire" speech, eh? I usually like to give an explanation of the AltExpo to everyone as the first talk of the day, but usu. most people have slept in after campfire partying and miss it. By the way, all presenters get their own page on the site, which is one way people can add value to the site. You'd have to register on the site - I'd see your registration in the back room and I'd set you up with a stock blank page and you could edit it from there. Steve will figure out the indexing and search features (not really implemented yet) and those features will appear on the site when that's done. Also, presenters get an AltExpo.org email address - yours would be Russell@AltExpo.org (maybe we can throw in a free cup of coffee, too).
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 12:48 PM NHFT
The presentation on Mediation and Alternative Conflict Resolution will need to be BEFORE Friday--I will not be at Porcfest after Friday AM. 

The presentation will be pretty short on my part--my plan is to cover the basics and then open it up for questions and discussion.

Yeah, we will put you on Thursday at a time that works for you.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 05, 2008, 02:28 PM NHFT
I had a page or 2 last year ... but I need to make ones for this year.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 02:35 PM NHFT
To all: I created an AltExpo Google Calendar that anyone can view: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mp2t9th6vlfe0u3fd03ofttc1c%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York

Russell, I have shared management of this calendar with you, so you can add stuff or move stuff around - we'll have to work together on this. Also google says you don't have a google calendar account, so we've (google and I) sent you an invitation to set one up.

There are instructions for embedding that don't look too hard - I'll have to do that later, though (I'm supposed to be working).
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 05, 2008, 02:44 PM NHFT
I got it going ... I think.
They had no option for "The Shire" and NHFT time zone .... google needs to catch up
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 02:45 PM NHFT
I had a page or 2 last year ... but I need to make ones for this year.

Write to SteveV@AltExpo.org to request a new page as a presenter. Give him the title of the presentation and he'll get it indexed by that title.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 02:47 PM NHFT
I got it going ... I think.
They had no option for "The Shire" and NHFT time zone .... google needs to catch up

I know, huh? They need to catch on to the "Free Time" thing, eh?

I'll enter a starter presentation or 2, then I really have to get to work
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 05, 2008, 02:49 PM NHFT
Anybody else know what time they are doin their thang?

I put mine down for 8am ... I will actually be later.

Is Friday the first big day for AltExpo?
When do you want to kick off and explain the AltExpo .... then I can do the Welcome to The Shire time.

If we have another open time slot ... people can ask me questions and/or throw tomatoes.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 05, 2008, 02:49 PM NHFT
I'll enter a starter presentation or 2, then I really have to get to work

Back to work ... see you when you have free time.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 05, 2008, 02:54 PM NHFT
Looks like you've got it - I see your talk.

Lots added tonight - schedule will be tentative til probly Monday AM, when it goes final. There are still usually last day changes, tho.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 06, 2008, 12:47 AM NHFT
I was thinking we could have anyone interested in Grafton come and visit on Wednesday.

Is Grafton part of the tours? If not, then an unofficial carpool would probably be in order.

It was last year ... I don't think it is this year.
Wednesday is the the day for Concord.
You can let everyone know that Wednesday afternoon would be a great time to visit Grafton. :)
It is i nice drive to Grafton and you can go at least 2 different ways. That is the nice way of saying "you can't get there from heyah."

The Concord tour includes a stop in Grafton.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 06, 2008, 08:09 AM NHFT
When is that?
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 06, 2008, 08:24 AM NHFT
When is that?

Look at the Google Calendar schedule somewhere on http://www.porcfest.com/. The one listed as the Concord tour includes Grafton. Unfortunately the site seems to be unreachable at the moment, otherwise I’d be more specific.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 06, 2008, 08:30 AM NHFT
when I looked before it didn't say anything about Grafton ... it just said Concord. So that is good.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 06, 2008, 08:40 AM NHFT
Yeah, the calendar item descriptions aren’t very, well, descriptive. It’s crowded enough without more on it.

I think the Deerfield one is on the Manchester day, too.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Ron Helwig on June 06, 2008, 07:17 PM NHFT
I think the Deerfield one is on the Manchester day, too.

Correct. The Manchester trip on Monday will be dropping by Little Minnesota.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Pat McCotter on June 07, 2008, 03:31 AM NHFT
I think the Deerfield one is on the Manchester day, too.

Correct. The Manchester trip on Monday will be dropping by Little Minnesota.

Don't forget to let them know about picking blueberries while kayaking/canoeing in Pawtuckaway Lake. High bush berries grow all around the shores. Some people like little trivia like that, y'know.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: John on June 07, 2008, 02:00 PM NHFT
On Monday, I will sing On The Road To Freedom.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: John on June 07, 2008, 02:17 PM NHFT
Oh, and if you see anything on the schedule about my "balls" it has to do with deep self-massage using various (usually tennis) balls.
I'll likely do this around (before/after) tent set-up time.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 08, 2008, 03:50 AM NHFT
Excellent, John. It'll be good to hear that classic of yours again!

Also, how can I say this? It'll be interesting to see your balls...
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 08, 2008, 09:05 AM NHFT
Still entering schedule items at: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mp2t9th6vlfe0u3fd03ofttc1c%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York

Just a couple of teasers: We will have the best coffee in the campground - fresh-roasted on Tuesday and rushed up to us on Wednesday. I heard rumors of espresso being available, too.

We have a hospitality room in the lodge all day Saturday with a Happy Hour cash bar from 4-7!
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 08, 2008, 10:03 AM NHFT
OK, the calendar is fairly fleshed out, but I have a couple more here somewhere on some scraps of paper  :D Also, still open to your favorite topic. Just get up the nerve, gather you notes and write us at talk@AltExpo.org.

Rumor has it that when you enter Alt-ville, you enter an alternative dimension - we'll even have our own money!
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 08, 2008, 09:01 PM NHFT
Hey, everyone, you're invited to bring a mix CD of your favorite freedom tunes or just your favorite tunes. We'll have a CD jukebox to play them during party times.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 08, 2008, 10:38 PM NHFT
Oh, so I said it before, but it's the last, last call for speakers/presenters or people who want to be in a roundtable discussion about any topic. I have a couple of slots to fill and a couple of confirmations I'm waiting on.

Also, we are going to have a very cool alternative currency experiment at Alt Expo. We have some beautiful certificates designed and almost all printed and ready for issuing. This is a time-based currency, like the Ithaca Hour http://ithacahour.com. If you'd like to be part of the experiment, you can join us at P32 for the formation of a Board of Directors for setting rules for the first issuing of the certificates. You can be the management of the AltExpo money system. Jump in on this project - I think it will attract a lot of attention to alternative ways of doing things in the Free State.

We're calling the money Expo Hours and there will be a site built at http://expohours.com (probably not up yet).

Just for a preview, here's a 1/10 hour certificate:

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/jaqeboy/SEyW570WRwI/AAAAAAAAAPU/35UjzuLThU0/WEB-ExpoHours-Tenth.jpg)
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 08, 2008, 10:39 PM NHFT
Help, Kat! Where'd the dang image go?

Never mind - I see it now.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 09, 2008, 07:01 AM NHFT
Help, Kat! Where'd the dang image go?

Never mind - I see it now.

I don't
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 08:16 AM NHFT
Help, Kat! Where'd the dang image go?

Never mind - I see it now.

I don't

Hmm, I could see it on another computer, but not on this one. Hmmm
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 09, 2008, 08:20 AM NHFT

Just for a preview, here's a 1/10 hour certificate:

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/jaqeboy/SEyW570WRwI/AAAAAAAAAPU/35UjzuLThU0/WEB-ExpoHours-Tenth.jpg)

For some reason my computer wants to download it rather than open it.  Not sure why.  You could just attach the image to your post.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 09, 2008, 08:30 AM NHFT
I love the "in each other we trust".  :D
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: dalebert on June 09, 2008, 09:19 AM NHFT
One thing I don't like about it is it seems to perpetuate the myth that all our labor has the same value. There's a term for that misguided view of economics that evades me right now. I'm sure someone will post it. I realize it doesn't necessarily mean that in its actual usage but what's printed on it implies that.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 09, 2008, 09:29 AM NHFT
I heard they were going to exchange them for a cup of coffee at Alt Expo, yes.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 09, 2008, 09:54 AM NHFT
those of us that might use them can choose them to mean whatever we want :)
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 10:40 AM NHFT
I'm curious about the coffee cup... Can you trade one in for a cup of coffee?

Yeah, at our ExpoCafe. We'll be serving the best coffee you've ever tasted and you can only get one with a 1/10 Expo Hour certificate.

The idea was: instead of showing some dead state hero as the key artistic focus, we wanted to put a commodity on there, indicating that no matter what happens to state-issued notes, our 1/10 hour would always be worth about the same amount of commodities.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 10:43 AM NHFT
those of us that might use them can choose them to mean whatever we want :)

Yep, that's that there freedom thangie!
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 10:49 AM NHFT
One thing I don't like about it is it seems to perpetuate the myth that all our labor has the same value. There's a term for that misguided view of economics that evades me right now. I'm sure someone will post it. I realize it doesn't necessarily mean that in its actual usage but what's printed on it implies that.


Dale, from my research on time-money systems, there are 2 schools of thought: 1. everybody's hour is the same value, and 2. the "hour" is based on an entry-level or low-skill level person's hour value. When the Ithaca Hour was started, that was about $10 in the county in New York where they are.

People will trade them at the value they percieve them to be worth, eh. If you charge $80/hour for your services, then you'd charge 8 ExpoHours/hour. I know that using the word hour may be confusing, but we've just jumped in and followed the Ithaca model, because it's been tested for a while. I didn't like the final wording either - I would have said it slightly differently, but we didn't have time for another committee meeting and another edit (since we just finished the press run on the certificates at midnight)
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 11:40 AM NHFT
I love the "in each other we trust".  :D

I don't really see that as being much different than "In God We Trust", but it is kind of fun...

We thought the word "trust" was good, since no money system works without trust, whether you're trusting the government's treasury, mint, congress and central bank - or whether you're trusting the people you enter into contracts with. This is a system of trust in contract, though our BoD has to work up that set of rules that make up their offer in the contract - First meeting 2PM Tuesday, tentsite P32.

The word value, as in "we value each other" was considered, but we went with trust.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 11:47 AM NHFT
I love the "in each other we trust".  :D

I don't really see that as being much different than "In God We Trust", but it is kind of fun...

David Grossack was the first to use that slogan (that I know of) when he developed the Universal Trade Hour (http://www.citizensjustice.com/uth.php), just to give him proper credit. He developed the system, printed up a ton of certificates, but decided not to "go live" with the UTH system and makes a living as a lawyer (http://www.grossack.com/) instead.

He's a libertarian and has come to PorcFest before.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 01:32 PM NHFT
I'm curious about the coffee cup... Can you trade one in for a cup of coffee?

AND.... for about 1.2 ExpoHours, you can get the souvenir mug!!! Just checked with the supplier and they're shipping them to us at Gunstock on Wednesday - phew!

We'll have a few trade items to seed the AltEconomy: prepared coffee, 8oz bags of coffee, coffee mugs and popcorn. Then we'll see if the ExpoHour propagates into the greater economy, ie, the site next door and beyond.

If someone has a good large drip coffeemaker that's really clean and a popcorn maker, we might be able to use them as backups. I was going to make the popcorn in some camp cookware, but a popcorn maker would make my job easier!

Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 09, 2008, 02:38 PM NHFT
Would I be correct in assuming that the Law of Attraction presentation has still not been scheduled? Perhaps I should send Sam-I-am an IM.  ;)
I see it
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 09, 2008, 02:55 PM NHFT
6pm Friday ... followed by a movie
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 02:57 PM NHFT
I love the "in each other we trust".  :D

I don't really see that as being much different than "In God We Trust", but it is kind of fun...

We thought the word "trust" was good, since no money system works without trust, whether you're trusting the government's treasury, mint, congress and central bank - or whether you're trusting the people you enter into contracts with. This is a system of trust in contract, though our BoD has to work up that set of rules that make up their offer in the contract - First meeting 2PM Tuesday, tentsite P32.

The word value, as in "we value each other" was considered, but we went with trust.

I think the "in each other we trust" is great. Perhaps it will have the added benefit of making the currency more atheist-friendly than the "In God We Trust" type currencies.

It looks like your board meeting will conflict with the eco-village tour on the Alt Expo schedule.

Would I be correct in assuming that the Law of Attraction presentation has still not been scheduled? Perhaps I should send Sam-I-am an IM.  ;)

Yeah, it's pluralistic, non-denominational, community (regardless of race, sex or creed) money!  ;D

Oops, I mis-stated the schedule - AltMoney (Expo Hours) "Time is Money" is at noon. I mean we can talk about it any time, but this gives anyone that wants to be in on the decision-making a specific time to meet. The eco-village tour is flexible - it's about a half hour away in Barnstead. It's called Namaste Greenfire, since Bruce thinks we should be "green" with fire (passion). Cool place.

LoA (not you) is on with Sam for 6PM Friday evening, video: The Secret at 7PM.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 03:03 PM NHFT
I probably should start a whole thread for the Expo Hours, but I'm almost all packed up and need to head up to Gunstock.

We did reserve a domain name: expohours.com, but not sure if Fred has put anything up on there yet. No, I checked and it's not showing up yet.

Be thinking of how to issue the money in a way that is fair. AltExpo wants to make some FRN's to cover out-of-pocket costs, and we may be the only one taking them as a "merchant" at first - for coffee and mugs. Maybe we can get some other early-adopter merchants. I know Ron Helwig is bringing up a pickup load of firewood from his land - maybe he'll accept Expos. We sorta need a sign for merchants that says: "Expo Hours accepted here!"
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 09, 2008, 03:19 PM NHFT
I can accept expo hours in direct exchange for my labor in hours.

If I end up not being worth 10 cups of coffee an hour, then I guess my time will get devalued ... maybe I can keep up the exchange rate by threats of force like the evil empire.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 03:28 PM NHFT
I can except expo hours in direct exchange for my labor in hours.

If I end up not being worth 10 cups of coffee an hour, then I guess my time will get devalued ... maybe I can keep up the exchange rate by threats of force like the evil empire.

There you go - Expo Hour merchant #2!

Now we need an Cambio - a money-changer, so to speak. And, I was thinking we could issue certificates to agents who would do what they could to get them into circulation.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 09, 2008, 03:40 PM NHFT
we will have to work on a hours to dollars to silver thing .... maybe it needs its own thread

tell us what you guys decide at the altexpo
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: John Edward Mercier on June 09, 2008, 04:00 PM NHFT
I can except expo hours in direct exchange for my labor in hours.

If I end up not being worth 10 cups of coffee an hour, then I guess my time will get devalued ... maybe I can keep up the exchange rate by threats of force like the evil empire.

'Give me coffee or I will kill you!'... interesting.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 09, 2008, 04:03 PM NHFT
we will have to work on a hours to dollars to silver thing .... maybe it needs its own thread

tell us what you guys decide at the altexpo

Yeah, maybe on a separate thread we can report the outcome of the Board.

Got merchant #3 - Ron Helwig - He's got firewood for sale at PorcFest. He just wants the Expo Hours convertible into something he can pay the mortgage with.... hmmm.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 09, 2008, 05:08 PM NHFT
he will have to talk to his bank about that one .... maybe request a more stable currency than $s ;)
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: John Edward Mercier on June 09, 2008, 05:22 PM NHFT
Why would he want that?
The more the $ devalues... the less he pays in real terms.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 11, 2008, 05:29 PM NHFT
Well, we've had a tour of the Barnstead eco-village and a couple of meetings of the Board of the Expo Hour Issuing Authority and we've made several resolutions - we'll issue the certificates tonight!

Additional Expo Hour accepting merchants:
 Jerry the bartender in the Fun Tent for tips,
 Ward for his chili,
 Stuart's IT for computer building services,
 the Home Workz for home repair services,

everyone's jumping on board...

We posted a more finalized schedule to the Alt Expo Google calendar (http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mp2t9th6vlfe0u3fd03ofttc1c%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York) and are finding a huge amount of interest in the events.

The Expo Cafe tent blew down last night in a microburst of wind - It went down after the top canvas slapped me in the face about 5 or 6 quick times. Errr...

In today's UPS, we recieve our fresh-roasted (Tuesday) AltJava coffee (our blend that we'll serve at the Expo Cafe.

Excitement builds....

More later
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: Friday on June 11, 2008, 09:12 PM NHFT
We have a hospitality room in the lodge all day Saturday with a Happy Hour cash bar from 4-7!
Correction: the Happy Hour event was planned months ago, and is being sponsored by Freedom Force International and the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire. 
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 16, 2008, 08:56 PM NHFT
We have a hospitality room in the lodge all day Saturday with a Happy Hour cash bar from 4-7!
Correction: the Happy Hour event was planned months ago, and is being sponsored by Freedom Force International and the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire. 
Correction to the correction... Oh, yeah, but that takes it back to the original post, the room was jointly booked by the 3 of us, each to promote it as their own. We had a couple of good presentations there, but were thinking it was going to be on the mainstream path so everyone would see it, but it turned out to be way out of the way - darn.

It was a good room, but the food budget was a killer - we haven't gone over the final accounting with John yet, but we may have to beg for more contributions to get this room up to break-even.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 16, 2008, 09:08 PM NHFT
The Alt Expo was a huge success! Barring the fact that our main expo tent collapsed under the weight of the water on Saturday night, we generally broke even - gotta do the basic accounting, yet. (and see if the tent is repairable, or if it's dumpster material).

We met a lot of great people, some of whom are going to join in various projects presented, including web site development and design, ecovillage development, wwoof'ing, community currency development, historical research and most of them are going to enjoy some continuing excellent AltJava experiences. By the way, more AltJava beans may be ordered from A&E Roastery in Amherst from Emeran or Emily, tel: 603-578-3338. That was a medium roast and you'd probably have to purchase some minimum order size based on whatever their roasting batch size is.
Title: Re: Alternatives Expo at Porcfest 2008
Post by: jaqeboy on June 16, 2008, 10:55 PM NHFT
Oh, and btw, the idea of marking people's mugs on the bottom almost worked - someone got away with mine and probly left me with one of the loaners. If yours says "Jack" on the bottom, it mine! But keep it - it'll all work out.

For those interested in how the Expo Hours community currency experiment worked, I'll try to have a full report on it tomorrow night. If anyone thinks it's something they'd like to continue after PorcFest, let's talk. I just talked to a guy who knew a lot about alternate community currencies in Germany, so I hope to pick his brain on that. One group of folks in a nearby town is considering launching one in their town.

Also, if anyone has photos they took of the AltExpo site and of the Expo Cafe, could you email them to me: Jack@AltExpo.org.