Ok guys, the Shire Hours online trading system is here, at www.shirehours.com. You may use straight http:// or secure https://. For trading purposes, you can use just Shire Hours, Shire Silver (any silver), or both at a conversion rate of 2Hrs=1Oz. You will receive an email for each transaction.
I have been doing a lot of reconfiguring over the past 2 (3? :homework: ) days, so there might be some glitches. Please post any you find in this thread, even if it is just a grammatical error. Speaking of error, error is more than welcome to look at the site from a security standpoint. And as the site becomes more popular, I may need to set up a Turing routine to fend off bots.
Dylboz says he'll be glad to create a good header graphic, but he's kind of busy right now, so that may have to wait a couple of months.
I look forward to any and all feedback, either here or from the contact page. :)
so we can use it and not have the database cleared later?
I cleared it already this morning. It's good to go! :icon_guitarist:
well alrighty then
Tried to register using Safari and it says I need to enable cookies. I have cookies enabled.
Would like to use the system. :)
I couldn't make a payment.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on June 30, 2008, 06:59 AM NHFT
I couldn't make a payment.
Now I can
I got a new error message:
"Your intended recipient has not offered enough credit to receive your payment."
I thought my ability to make payments was based off of all the credit I have available.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on June 30, 2008, 05:07 AM NHFT
Tried to register using Safari and it says I need to enable cookies. I have cookies enabled.
Would like to use the system. :)
Check your email, and please keep me posted on the results. I will study why it might not work with Safari.. I thought everything was all "W3C" compliant and should work.. maybe it needs further tweaking.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on June 30, 2008, 07:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on June 30, 2008, 06:59 AM NHFT
I couldn't make a payment.
Now I can
I got a new error message:
"Your intended recipient has not offered enough credit to receive your payment."
I thought my ability to make payments was based off of all the credit I have available.
I know.. I am getting a little credit-dyslexia about that myself.. you can pay out as many Shire Hours as you've extended in credit to your partner (and they've accepted). To avoid that message, just do it symmetrically.. have your partner(s) trust you as much as you trust them, and of course make sure your trade amounts are lower than the limits.
Edit: I offered you 40 Hrs credit, you've accepted the credit line, and I paid you one Hr as a test. Try paying me back two hours and it should refuse. Try paying me one hour and it should go through.
Other edit: I sent a message to Ryan asking why it is the way it is, and if it would be more intuitive the other way around, which signs should I change on which variables.
Quote from: Barterer on June 30, 2008, 11:24 AM NHFT
Edit: I offered you 40 Hrs credit, you've accepted the credit line, and I paid you one Hr as a test. Try paying me back two hours and it should refuse. Try paying me one hour and it should go through.
I don't see the 1 hour
Quote from: Russell Kanning on June 30, 2008, 11:51 AM NHFT
Quote from: Barterer on June 30, 2008, 11:24 AM NHFT
Edit: I offered you 40 Hrs credit, you've accepted the credit line, and I paid you one Hr as a test. Try paying me back two hours and it should refuse. Try paying me one hour and it should go through.
I don't see the 1 hour
Ahem:
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r127/photorifficuser/payment.jpg)
Looks like I'm at -1 and owe you a Shire Hour. Damn ShireHours.com better not have ripped me off! >:(
It's all very confusing to me :o
Quote from: Kat Kanning on June 30, 2008, 12:19 PM NHFT
It's all very confusing to me :o
I'm going to smooth out everything that is confusing or counterintuitive. And I thank you for being one of the early beta-testers.
I get getting bit by the unrefreshed pages. It would make sense to always refresh the pages automagically in the ripple system.
Yea ... it is funny ... it doesn't let me send stuff to someone until they offer me credit ... it is backwards.
I'm going to go in and change some of the language. It will say something like "propose a mutual credit limit with a trading partner" or something like that. I understand why it is the way it is, and don't want to mess with the functionality too much, but the language on some of the pages is confusing. And it says neighbour in a few places. Ahh yeess, cup of tea, neighbour? ^-^
I want to fix this credit limit confusion dammit >:( I have sent a message to the developer asking for advice, but in the meantime I'll change the message you get when accepting credit to something like this:
QuoteThis is your new connection account with so-and-so@theirdomain. Please offer your new trading partner a credit limit comparable to what you've been offered. Just as you can't spend more than you've been offered in credit, you can't receive more than you've extended in credit.
I didn't think that was the way it worked before when I used it.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 01, 2008, 08:53 AM NHFT
I didn't think that was the way it worked before when I used it.
I think I found the block of code that controls it.. will compare ripplesite 0.2a with V. 0.1 when I get home. Not that I shouldn't be slacking off at work, I just need my linux machine to unpack and compare the program "tarballs."
Edit: no difference as far as credit limits go, V.0.1 to 0.2. :BangHead: Will hammer on it some more tomorrow, hopefully with some advice from Ryan.
Ok, I've got most all messages cleared up (I think ;) ) And the "Be your own banker" idea is explained better on the homepage:
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I am clarifying the language on some of the pages this site generates, so that there is no confusion about credit limits. In general, you can spend as many Shire Hours as others have granted you in credit. Conversely, the maximum number of Shire Hours you can be paid is the total amount of credit you have granted to others. So the best thing to do is to extend the same amount of credit to the person who invited you onto the system, as s/he extended to you. This is the "be your own banker" philosophy integrated into ShireHours.com and its parent, Ripplepay. In response to further feedback, I will continue to make this site as user-friendly as possible.
Also notice that there are business opportunities here. Anyone can use their Shire Hours account to create a bridge (for a small fee of course!) to other payment systems like Paypal or e-gold.
Thanks,
Barterer
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I've also contacted Ryan to see if I can get some help recoding a few scripts, so that the default (when accepting a credit offer) is a mutually symmetrical +/- credit arrangement between partners. The way it is now, the default is an offer of zero credit by the offeree, and that trips people up.
ok
Well I didn't hear back from Ryan, but DID manage to recode the credit acceptance page so that the default value in the field for a partner's limit is the same as what s/he offered. So that pretty much takes care of the credit-limit issue. Users would have to go out of their way to offer insufficient credit now (but still can). DAMN I'm good! :batman:
Ok, so what problems are left? Did you get your pages to refresh often enough? Is Roger's computer still not having any cookies?
let's see
Maybe we should bake some MACaroons for Roger's computer.
Re cookies:
I found that with IE, even when I tell it to accept cookies from shirehours.com, I get the page telling me to enable cookies.
Firefox and Opera work fine.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 02, 2008, 07:00 PM NHFT
Maybe we should bake some MACaroons for Roger's computer.
;D
I
will except MACaroons as payment. :D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on July 03, 2008, 06:11 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 02, 2008, 07:00 PM NHFT
Maybe we should bake some MACaroons for Roger's computer.
;D
I will except MACaroons as payment. :D
You don't like MACaroons? You want to except them? Or did you mean "Accept"? >:D ;D
anything cept them macaroons
Quote from: Pat McCotter on July 03, 2008, 06:40 AM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on July 03, 2008, 06:11 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 02, 2008, 07:00 PM NHFT
Maybe we should bake some MACaroons for Roger's computer.
;D
I will except MACaroons as payment. :D
You don't like MACaroons? You want to except them? Or did you mean "Accept"? >:D ;D
Accept is the correct answer... ;D English was my weakest subject. :blush: ;D
Quote from: Pat McCotter on July 03, 2008, 04:40 AM NHFT
Re cookies:
I found that with IE, even when I tell it to accept cookies from shirehours.com, I get the page telling me to enable cookies.
Firefox and Opera work fine.
Muahahahaaaa... perfect. >:D
Maybe I should set up an IE detector that redirects them to stickybuns.com where they can trade for macaroons at 2:1.