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Title: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 09, 2008, 07:54 PM NHFT
Well.. I decided to "just do it". :P This was a little thing I saw an opportunity to do and had in mind for a while, but put off due to some other things that I thought of doing first, but are taking lots of time. So I decided to move on with this because it's not hard to do.

I made a voluntaryist planet, meant to aggregate blogs of voluntaryist bloggers all over the internet, in one convenient place. I was looking for it myself and couldn't find it! I want to see what other voluntaryists blog about, and we can now have that here.

So here is it: http://planet.doubleplushuman.com/

So far I only added my own blog and FreeKeene.com, and I would like to invite every voluntaryist here who has a blog and wishes to be included on this planet, to post a link to your RSS or Atom feed.

Guidelines:

1. You must be a voluntaryist. :)
2. If your blog is of general nature (not just voluntaryism, but other things) submit your feed if you blog about voluntaryism at least once a month or otherwise submit an RSS of your voluntaryist tag/category (if available).
3. If you would like your hackergotchi (little head avatar) to be included please attach or link to it
4. Also let me know under which name should I put your feed (your real name, nick or something else).

Also, if you have any suggestions let me know, albeit a planet is a pretty straightforward thing.. You could suggest important voluntaryist links to include in the sidebar or even if you'd like some color scheme modifications. :)

Thank you.
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on July 09, 2008, 08:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: 'gu3st'I made a voluntaryist planet

For the non-geeks...

If you have a blog, there's a way to "send" you blog posts to other people - syndication. A planet is a special website that combines multiple people's blogs into one place, usually focusing on a single theme. If you're added to the planet, whenever you post your new entry will appear on the website.

You can find two examples (I'm on both, so this isn't a shameless plug!):

http://planet.libervis.net/
http://planet.openmoko.org/

Quote from: 'gu3st'I would like to invite every voluntaryist here who has a blog and wishes to be included on this planet, to post a link to your RSS or Atom feed.

And anybody who has a blog but doesn't know what the hell this means, please post your blog site here and we'll see if we can't figure out how to get you added. :)

Quote from: 'gu3st'I would like to invite every voluntaryist here who has a blog

He's invited me, but my blog is under maintainance so I gave him Freekeene because I know Ian supports syndications and such.

Quote from: 'gu3st'1. You must be a voluntaryist. Smiley

Not everyone uses that term who supports complete abolishment of the government. To be fair, I think the majority of people here qualify but wouldn't consider themselves "voluntaryists". I don't think Dale, for instance, uses the term and he's certainly for the abolishment of government. I think Russell prefers not to use any labels and he doesn't like the government. :)

Quote from: 'gu3st'...blog... ...blog... ...blog... ...blog... ...blog... ...blog... ...blog...

Feed! Dale has bi-weekly submissions that are not blogs but certainly on point. Can he submit the feed to Anarchy In Your Head? ;)
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 09, 2008, 08:18 PM NHFT
Thanks for clarifying. I didn't stop to think some people might not know what all that stuff means. :)

Quote from: Kevin DeanNot everyone uses that term who supports complete abolishment of the government. To be fair, I think the majority of people here qualify but wouldn't consider themselves "voluntaryists". I don't think Dale, for instance, uses the term and he's certainly for the abolishment of government. I think Russell prefers not to use any labels and he doesn't like the government. Smiley

That's alright. It's not so much about the term as much about the idea. I just decided I'll push my efforts for that idea under that term. So to rephraze the guideline, anyone who believes individuals should act voluntarily and not under coercion is welcome. And this does at least rule out everyone who thinks government is ok since government is coercive monopoly. :P

Quote from: Kevin DeanFeed! Dale has bi-weekly submissions that are not blogs but certainly on point. Can he submit the feed to Anarchy In Your Head? ;)

Sure, Anarchy In Your Head would be an awesome addition. Feeds don't need to be only of blogs indeed. I mention blogs primarily mostly because with planets the idea is to syndicate what a particular person says directly rather than news sites (which are aggregators by themselves). So if you've got unique content, posted chronologically, feel free to submit it for the inclusion.

Cheers
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: dalebert on July 09, 2008, 08:20 PM NHFT
http://anarchyinyourhead.com
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 09, 2008, 08:34 PM NHFT
Thanks Dale, I've added it and updated.

Btw, the planet is automatically updated every hour.
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: error on July 09, 2008, 08:45 PM NHFT
Hey, don't forget my site!
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 09, 2008, 10:06 PM NHFT
Hi error, what is your site?

If it's the nhteaparty.org, that's a forum and planets aren't really for forums.. There's too much activity and the form of posts is much more eradic so feeding off a forum would flood the planet too much. I guess I could link to it from the sidebar though, as well as the NHU..
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: error on July 09, 2008, 10:33 PM NHFT
Uh, not that, Homeland Stupidity (http://www.homelandstupidity.us/).
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: Coconut on July 09, 2008, 10:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: error on July 09, 2008, 10:33 PM NHFT
Uh, not that, Homeland Stupidity (http://www.homelandstupidity,us/).

Error has an error.

(psst: check your link. Specifically before the 'us' part)
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: FTL_Ian on July 09, 2008, 10:56 PM NHFT
Thanks for including FK!
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: TackleTheWorld on July 09, 2008, 11:01 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kevin Dean on July 09, 2008, 08:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: 'gu3st'I made a voluntaryist planet

For the non-geeks...


Thank you Kevin
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 09, 2008, 11:22 PM NHFT
I added HomelandStupidity.us, lewrockwell.com, strike-the-root.com and thefreedomchannel.blogspot.com. I am slightly unsure about the last one because it's just videos which aren't directly promoting voluntaryism, but are more about the current social issues presented in light that favors voluntaryist solution. I guess it's fine.

Also, I'm thinking of adding Mises blog (http://blog.mises.org/blog/) and maybe even their community blogs (http://mises.org/Community/blogs/) feed. Can they be considered mostly pro-voluntaryist (or anarcho-capitalist) or more in general (libertarian)? I'd like to keep the channel as strictly voluntaryist as possible, since certain generally libertarian ideas still condone government (like minarchism).

The idea is to keep a level of quality and readability (not *too* much coming in per hour). Let me know if there are any other blog suggestions and of course, keep submitting your own if you have. :)

Also, useful links for the sidebar will come in handy too.

Quote from: FTL_IanThanks for including FK!

My pleasure. There's no reason not to. It's clearly voluntaryist. :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 10, 2008, 12:06 AM NHFT
I made thefreedomchannel.blogspot.com only a link instead of part of syndication after all. I might have a separate subsection for podcasts and videos in the future.

Also, looks like LewRockwell.com has up to four posts every day? Anyone think that's a bit much for a planet? Maybe I can make that a link as well..

Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: Pat McCotter on July 10, 2008, 03:29 AM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on July 09, 2008, 10:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: error on July 09, 2008, 10:33 PM NHFT
Uh, not that, Homeland Stupidity (http://www.homelandstupidity,us/).

Error has an error.

(psst: check your link. Specifically before the 'us' part)

You could have fixed it in your post - like this ==> Homeland Stupidity (http://www.homelandstupidity.us/). ;)
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: dalebert on July 10, 2008, 06:47 AM NHFT
Technically, my site is a blog that frequently has comic strips in the entries. Notice there is always at least a little commentary with each one. Also, there is an actual blog now as well that's separate from the comic which is why I have two mailing lists now- one just for comic updates and one for blog updates.

Also, I do use the term voluntaryist to describe myself. I just don't don't avoid using the term anarchist which I consider to be synonymous and which just sounds better for the title of my comic.  ;D I thought about "Voluntaryism In Your Head" and it just didn't have the same ring to it.  :P
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: error on July 10, 2008, 12:10 PM NHFT
I don't often make an issue of voluntaryism. I just point out that having government do things is stupid. :)
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 10, 2008, 12:19 PM NHFT
cool
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 11, 2008, 12:56 AM NHFT
Noone else has a blog?

Anyway, I've added a number of new ones which I found through blogger.com and wordpress.com by searching for "anarcho-capitalism" and "voluntaryism" tags. I generally picked ones which seem fairly active and sufficiently on-topic. You can see all included blogs under "feeds" in the sidebar. Let me know if you think some should be excluded.

There are a a couple of included blogs which are "heavier", as in having two or more posts in a single day. Let me know if you'd prefer not to have those included in the main feed (I can just link to it). Although, it might not matter as much so long as there aren't that many feeds yet.

I hope anyone finds this useful as a portal to interesting voluntaryism relevant blog content syndicated in one place and per day. :)

And also, if there's anyone else with a voluntaryist blog, please feel free to submit your feed. Also feel free to comment and make suggestions of other blogs or links.

Thanks
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: John Edward Mercier on July 11, 2008, 09:29 AM NHFT
Actually I think the term voluntaryism is applied incorrectly... much the same as anarchy.
Anarchy denoted neither order, nor chaos, just the lack of government.

Voluntaryism implies the principle of non-coercion... thus orderly, but not uniform. Nor does it mean, regardless of wikipedia, the abolishment of government... just the abolishment of government monopoly.

An example would be if SS was voluntary. Then an individual could chose to save for retirement under the SS system, a private system, a mutual (group) system... or even to not save for retirement... completely of their own choosing.

It is implied that government may not survive without its monopoly... but not ascertained.
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on July 11, 2008, 11:50 AM NHFT
Quote from: 'John Edward Mercier'Voluntaryism implies the principle of non-coercion... thus orderly, but not uniform. Nor does it mean, regardless of wikipedia, the abolishment of governmentVoluntaryism implies the principle of non-coercion... thus orderly, but not uniform. Nor does it mean, regardless of wikipedia, the abolishment of government

People hate the combination, but I think Ian is right. I consider myself both a free marketeer and a voluntaryist - I believe that all social order must come from voluntary interaction. Additionally, I believe a social order based on capitalism and building of wealth is the best voluntary society. I would support and defend the establishment of a socialist government that allowed people to opt out without being deprived of life, liberty or property.

That said, when I say "government" I do mean the authoritarian model of government discussed in "The Market For Liberty". By that, government is by nature a coercive monopoly and eliminating the force behind it would actually make it cease being a government, much as giving a triangle a 4th side ends it's existence as a triangle.
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: dalebert on July 11, 2008, 12:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on July 11, 2008, 09:29 AM NHFT
Actually I think the term voluntaryism is applied incorrectly... much the same as anarchy.
Anarchy denoted neither order, nor chaos, just the lack of government.

Voluntaryism implies the principle of non-coercion... thus orderly, but not uniform. Nor does it mean, regardless of wikipedia, the abolishment of government... just the abolishment of government monopoly.

An example would be if SS was voluntary. Then an individual could chose to save for retirement under the SS system, a private system, a mutual (group) system... or even to not save for retirement... completely of their own choosing.

It is implied that government may not survive without its monopoly... but not ascertained.

The semantics arguments about this are endless. The truth is the words take on different meanings depending on who you talk to. I tend to look at it in terms of the origin of the word. All anarchy means is no archons or an elimination of heirarchies, political sameness. Monopoly government violates that. Voluntary government does not. Then again, that becomes another semantics argument, i.e. whether a voluntary government is in fact a government at all. For most indoctrinated people, monopoly government is the only kind of government they've ever known, so if you use the word "government", expect that to be exactly what pops into their head and be prepared to clarify. So I feel a need to make it clear that I'm against that, and whichever words you start with, somewhere along the line your definitions of words are going to diverge and require clarification.

Many anarcho-syndicalists still believe in democracy and voting for making laws and decisions. They just don't believe in electing leaders (archons). It sounds incredibly clunky and impractical to say the least, not to mention an immoral justification for violating individual rights via mob rule, but that's a whole thread by itself. So they're not necessarily against monopoly government per se. It seems to me that is still technically anarchy (no archons) according to the most literal interpretation of the word, so it remains for me to specify that anarchy is not enough IMO; that monopolies, particularly monopolies on violence are unnacceptable if we hope to achieve more civilized societies. I guess it would be technically true then that I am both an anarchist and a voluntaryist and that I need to use both terms, if not more, if I want to fully express my beliefs.

A leader chosen voluntarily, like a labor supervisor (e.g. Jim at Mark's house), is a very useful organizational role and not an archon. Roger can choose to stop following his orders and leave at any time. Roger chooses to follow Jim's orders because Jim has demonstrated that he knows what he's talking about and has earned Roger's respect. In a different situation where Roger had demonstrated superior expertise, like maybe beer brewing, Jim may choose to follow Roger's direction.

True leaders persuade people to follow them voluntarily. If you need to threaten people to make them follow you, you're no leader. You're just a slave-driver.</preaching to choir>
Title: Re: Voluntaryist Planet
Post by: memenode on July 11, 2008, 05:33 PM NHFT
I agree with Kevin and Dale. In short, a principle of non-coercion is the most fundamental one to me and one I don't want to compromise, so I call myself primarily a voluntaryist. If there is a "government" which does no coercion whatsoever, then I am fine with it, but I would not call it a government since, for all intents and purposes the word has come to represent what is basically a coercive monopoly and that's what most people will see it as, at least once you encourage them to pay attention to the force it's initiating (since many are somehow doublethinking it away most of the time).

So I see the term "voluntaryism" as representing "non-coercion" (we could just as much be called non-coercionists too) as very clear. It is automatically anarchism if anarcho represents a coercive monopoly. As a subset to being a voluntaryist I am also an anarcho-capitalist, denoting a more specific kind of order which I eventually see arising once people are free to always act voluntarily - a free market.

EDIT: The formula is basically this:

Make all individuals voluntaryists -> government fades away -> free market settles in led by primarily capitalist tendencies (private property, pursuit of self interest, creation and trade of values).

Cheers