Several of us went to the first one in Vermont two years ago; it was really interesting. This one is almost too easy to get to; it's in downtown Manchester, and it's FREE! But you need to RSVP ahead of time. I'll be there (my feelings towards secession are far warmer than they were two years ago).
THE THIRD NORTH AMERICAN SECESSIONIST CONVENTION
November 14-16, 2008 in Manchester, New Hampshire
MARCH 31—The Middlebury Institute has announced that the Third North American Secessionist Convention will be held in Manchester, New Hampshire, on November 14-16, 2008.
Delegates are expected from a majority of the three-dozen current secessionist organizations in the United States and Canada. As in the two previous conventions—in Burlington, Vermont, in 2006, and Chattanooga, Tennessee, in 2007—delegations will give reports on the activities in their areas in the previous year and trade information on strategizing, organizing, and politicking.
In previous years, participants have uniformly expressed enthusiasm for the conventions as showcases for the secessionist movement and workshops for the down-home business of spreading the secessionist message. Both meetings issued declarations of purpose and policy, available on the website, MiddleburyInstitute.org.
One highlight of the meeting will be a presentation of the idea of an independent Atlantic federation of Canadian maritime provinces and northern New England states. The proposal has been around for a number of years, but recently there has been renewed interest, especially in Canada, and this venue will provide a way to introduce it in this country in an impactful way.
In addition to delegates mandated by individual secessionist groups, individuals with a general interest in secession and separatism, or who might be considering organizing such a group, are invited to attend. All who intend to attend must contact the Director@MiddleburyInstitute.org, and of course the sooner the better.
As in the past, the Middlebury Institute is willing to underwrite the travel costs for some of the mandated representatives, especially from the West, who are genuinely unable to pay their own way.
Details of the convention follow:
Radisson Hotel Manchester
700 Elm St.
Manchester, NH 03101
603-625-1000
Reservations: 603-206-4109, or 1-800-333-333. A block of rooms at a special rate of $119 a night (single, double, or triple) is being held by the hotel, and individuals should indicate they are with the Third North American Secessionist Convention. Online reservations should use the following PAC CODE: SEC08 at www.radisson.com/manchesternh. Reservations must be made by October 24 at 12 p.m. to get this rate.
Schedule:
Friday, November 14
Registration 3 p.m. on, in Lobby.
Cash bar 5-9 p.m.
Saturday, November 15—
9-5 p.m., Convention, in Theater.
News conference—5-5:30 p.m.
Banquet—6:30-9:30 p.m. Frost/Hawthorne.
Manchester has a major airport. The hotel provides transport from it and back.
Kirkpatrick Sale
Director, Middlebury Institute
MiddleburyInstitute.org
I'll see you there. I think Jason might even stop by. I'm going to be handing out FTL flyers and wearing FTL clothes.
I'll be there with bells on. (I can't believe I just typed that - it's quite gay...) I am a major supporter and believer in secession; my one concern is that a state has to be ready.. I don't currently feel my toes a curlin' about it when I travel along Dover Point road with its abundance of filthy, socialist signage.
I'm going as the Bureaucrash rep.
I see a charge for hotel, but what about the convention? I would love to go, depending on how much money.
Well, David. You need to register by sending an email to the organizer. Other than that, things should be free unless you want to buy drinks. Maybe you could even carpool with someone from Keene to save money.
I am from the Keene area, and am planning to attend, and would be willing to either have others carpool with me, or I would carpool with others. Send me a message if you are interested.
I'm up for carpooling from Keene.
Quote from: Deanotrek on October 16, 2008, 03:54 PM NHFT
I am from the Keene area, and am planning to attend, and would be willing to either have others carpool with me, or I would carpool with others. Send me a message if you are interested.
We were just wondering what you guys were up to. :)
Mark and I are probably going on Saturday.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 16, 2008, 07:18 PM NHFT
Mark and I are probably going on Saturday.
Live broadcast? 8)
Carpooling would be cool. I'm uncertain if I'll be able to make it till closer to the actual date.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 16, 2008, 07:18 PM NHFT
Mark and I are probably going on Saturday.
May I still hand out FTL flyers, do you want to hand them out, or no flyers?
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on October 07, 2008, 10:24 PM NHFT
I think Jason might even stop by.
Jason "I have a PhD in Secession" Sorens was at the first one. :icon_pirat:
I'm thinking long and hard about attending this event. I still have to get to NH one of these days, and this seems like as good a reason as any.
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on October 16, 2008, 10:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 16, 2008, 07:18 PM NHFT
Mark and I are probably going on Saturday.
May I still hand out FTL flyers, do you want to hand them out, or no flyers?
You do what you feel is right. Hand out what you like. Thank you.
Quote from: AnarchoMartyr on October 07, 2008, 10:42 PM NHFT
I'm going as the Bureaucrash rep.
I wasn't aware that Bureaucrash is a secessionist organization; is it?
No Friday, it is not.
Individual secessionists.
I am looking forward to this event. :) Two years ago, I found the idea of secession wacky and vaguely creepy. Now, I find it completely reasonable and just (although still frought with deadly peril). What a long, strange trip it's been since I moved to New Hampshire. :)
Did someone say deadly peril ?
to me ... this is what our movement is all about ... getting people to see a whole new way of looking at life. :)
Someone was telling me they thought Grafton should secede. It sounded good to me. :)
I remember the good ol days when Sandy thought Caleb and I were crazy, talking about secession. Now she knows we are both crazy ... but not about secession.
Quote from: Pat K on November 13, 2008, 08:05 PM NHFT
Did someone say deadly peril ?
Holy crap!! I never realized that the "K" in Pat K stands for "deadly peril"! :icon_pirat:
For those of you coming out here, some of us will meet at Murphy's from 5-9 pm Friday night, because we believe $2 beers are much better than $5 beers. Certain secessionists should be invited to leave the hotel and come down the street to join us. :)
Today's comic will be related to the convention so please help me get the word out about it. I'll be attending as well, though maybe not until tomorrow. I'm thinking of printing a few of today's comics to hand out. Maybe they'll make their rounds.
Excuse me for inquiring, but was the conference in Manchester due to underlying attempts (organized or not) to have FSP folks try to get NH to secede? Or was it just a random place?
It was chosen for a number of reasons. Primarily because they were announcing the formation of a trans-national independence movement called "Novacadia" with a representative from Nova Scotia which would include VT, NH, ME, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island.
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica (http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica)
This conference was spearheaded by former NH Democratic Senator Burt Cohen who did a radio show with Sebastian Ronin from the Novacadia Network.
http://novacadia.org/ (http://novacadia.org/)
There was no "official" representative from the FSP in attendance although Jason Sorens, the FSP founder, appeared as an "observer" as did many other FSP and NH Underground folks.
Quote from: BillKauffman on November 30, 2008, 09:01 PM NHFT
It was chosen for a number of reasons. Primarily because they were announcing the formation of a trans-national independence movement called "Novacadia" with a representative from Nova Scotia which would include VT, NH, ME, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island.
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica (http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica)
This conference was spearheaded by former NH Democratic Senator Burt Cohen who did a radio show with Sebastian Ronin from the Novacadia Network.
http://novacadia.org/ (http://novacadia.org/)
There was no "official" representative from the FSP in attendance although Jason Sorens, the FSP founder, appeared as an "observer" as did many other FSP and NH Underground folks.
Odd... I was there from ~ 8:40AM - 4:30PM, and never saw Jason Sorens there. A member of the FSP gave a presentation. Were we attending the same convention?
Quote from: Friday on November 30, 2008, 09:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: BillKauffman on November 30, 2008, 09:01 PM NHFT
It was chosen for a number of reasons. Primarily because they were announcing the formation of a trans-national independence movement called "Novacadia" with a representative from Nova Scotia which would include VT, NH, ME, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island.
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica (http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica)
This conference was spearheaded by former NH Democratic Senator Burt Cohen who did a radio show with Sebastian Ronin from the Novacadia Network.
http://novacadia.org/ (http://novacadia.org/)
There was no "official" representative from the FSP in attendance although Jason Sorens, the FSP founder, appeared as an "observer" as did many other FSP and NH Underground folks.
Odd... I was there from ~ 8:40AM - 4:30PM, and never saw Jason Sorens there. A member of the FSP gave a presentation. Were we attending the same convention?
The presenter wasn't an official representative of the FSP like the other delegates who were in attendance but simply an observer. Jason was at the social on Friday night and attended the conference for maybe an hour or so in the morning. He sat in the back near the door for a quick entry and exit. I sat behind you but left around 10am or so to go see the Warhol exhibit at the Currier. Ate lunch at Murphy's, a number of FSP folks were there too, and attended the afternoon session.
Quote from: BillKauffman on November 30, 2008, 09:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: Friday on November 30, 2008, 09:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: BillKauffman on November 30, 2008, 09:01 PM NHFT
It was chosen for a number of reasons. Primarily because they were announcing the formation of a trans-national independence movement called "Novacadia" with a representative from Nova Scotia which would include VT, NH, ME, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island.
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica (http://www.vermontrepublic.org/atlantica)
This conference was spearheaded by former NH Democratic Senator Burt Cohen who did a radio show with Sebastian Ronin from the Novacadia Network.
http://novacadia.org/ (http://novacadia.org/)
There was no "official" representative from the FSP in attendance although Jason Sorens, the FSP founder, appeared as an "observer" as did many other FSP and NH Underground folks.
Odd... I was there from ~ 8:40AM - 4:30PM, and never saw Jason Sorens there. A member of the FSP gave a presentation. Were we attending the same convention?
The presenter wasn't an official representative of the FSP like the other delegates who were in attendance but simply an observer. Jason was at the social on Friday night and attended the conference for maybe an hour or so in the morning. He sat in the back near the door for a quick entry and exit. I sat behind you but left around 10am or so to go see the Warhol exhibit at the Currier. Ate lunch at Murphy's, a number of FSP folks were there too, and attended the afternoon session.
Hmmm, I guess I don't know you; introduce yourself next time. :) I ate at the pub in the hotel; there were some other convention attendees eating there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman)
Political beliefs
Although he is known as a paleoconservative, his politics remain difficult to categorize, as he holds strong libertarian leanings with culturally conservative and isolationist inclinations. He is a critic of development, frequently writes approvingly of distributism and agrarianism, and is strongly anti-corporate. Kauffman has described his politics as "a blend of Catholic Worker, Old Right libertarian, Yorker transcendentalist, and delirious localist." He has also described himself as a "Jeffersonian," an "anarchist," a "cheerful enemy of the state," a "reactionary Friend of the Library," and a "peace-loving football fan." Although he remains a registered Democrat, he rarely supports their candidates or their platform and has frequently voted Green since the collapse of the Reform Party in 2000.
Other positions adopted by Kauffman that are considered controversial to both the Left and the Right include his support for the Second Vermont Republic secessionist movement, his admiration for 1972 Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern, his argument that Catholic Worker activist Dorothy Day had much in common with elements of the Right, and his contention that Philip Roth's book The Plot Against America is "the novel that a neoconservative would write, if a neoconservative could write a novel." In 2004, he endorsed Ralph Nader for President of the United States. On September 2, 2008, he addressed the Rally for the Republic in Saint Paul, Minnesota put on by Ron Paul (R-TX).
Quote from: joeyforpresident on November 30, 2008, 08:36 PM NHFT
Excuse me for inquiring, but was the conference in Manchester due to underlying attempts (organized or not) to have FSP folks try to get NH to secede? Or was it just a random place?
I seriously doubt it was due to any efforts by FSP folks to get NH to secede. Actually, there were no NH secessionist organizations presenting (see my blog (http://www.freestateobserver.com/) for a lengthy write-up on the convention). I think the Middlebury Institute is going back and forth between holding it in the North and in the South, and this was the North's turn. Frankly, I was surprised that there weren't more FSP folks in attendance.
Quote from: BillKauffman on November 30, 2008, 09:28 PM NHFT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman)
Political beliefs
Although he is known as a paleoconservative, his politics remain difficult to categorize, as he holds strong libertarian leanings with culturally conservative and isolationist inclinations. He is a critic of development, frequently writes approvingly of distributism and agrarianism, and is strongly anti-corporate. Kauffman has described his politics as "a blend of Catholic Worker, Old Right libertarian, Yorker transcendentalist, and delirious localist." He has also described himself as a "Jeffersonian," an "anarchist," a "cheerful enemy of the state," a "reactionary Friend of the Library," and a "peace-loving football fan." Although he remains a registered Democrat, he rarely supports their candidates or their platform and has frequently voted Green since the collapse of the Reform Party in 2000.
Other positions adopted by Kauffman that are considered controversial to both the Left and the Right include his support for the Second Vermont Republic secessionist movement, his admiration for 1972 Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern, his argument that Catholic Worker activist Dorothy Day had much in common with elements of the Right, and his contention that Philip Roth's book The Plot Against America is "the novel that a neoconservative would write, if a neoconservative could write a novel." In 2004, he endorsed Ralph Nader for President of the United States. On September 2, 2008, he addressed the Rally for the Republic in Saint Paul, Minnesota put on by Ron Paul (R-TX).
You have your own Wikipedia page? Color me impressed.
http://novacadia.org/Inserts/New%20England%20Group%20Looks%20to%20Secede.htm (http://novacadia.org/Inserts/New%20England%20Group%20Looks%20to%20Secede.htm)
New England Groups Look to Secede
by Jim Kozubek, New Hampshire Union Leader
NEW CASTLE For the time political campaigns have been moving to centrism, integrating voter blocs and appealing to unity, scattered groups across New England have been moving to fractionalize, to break their states from the union.
Burt Cohen, 57, a former state senator, is leading a front in New Hampshire to secede from the U.S., and join with Maine, Vermont, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island and Gaspé Peninsula to create a new authority called New Acadia or Novacadia based on maps of a 1702 maritime union.
"This is a continuation of my politics," Cohen said. "I am interested in people taking part in decisions, and right now, it seems to me that fewer and fewer people have more concentrated wealth and power."
Secessionists draw the soul of their ideas from the 1957 Leopold Kohr book The Breakdown of Nations in which Kohr argued social and economic failures are due to a deplorable condition of "bigness," he said.
The logic is based on the idea that individuals, cities and regions have diverse economic and political interests; once a population becomes too large, resources and taxes are not fairly dispensed and a government fails to provide adequate representation, he said.
"The founding fathers could not have imagined 300 million people," he said.
"This country includes a lot of people with disparate points of view, and to have them represented in a single government, you have to ask, how realistic is that?"
Cohen said that instead of political moves to centrism and unity, New Englanders could find greater economic and social advantages in a move to decentralization.
He bases this idea, of economic regionalism, on a 1981 Joel Garreau book, "The Nine Nations of North America," that insists the U.S. is made up of nine bioregions, each with unique interests.
"People in bio-regions have much more in common, shared values and can find what works best for economic development that might not work in another region," he said.
Cohen, a self-described "progressive," is looking for a mix of support from libertarians, paleo-conservatives suspect of higher-spending subsidies and defense budgets, and those willing to ask "a lot of very serious, legitimate questions."
For one, he said, New Hampshire has for years paid more to the federal government than it gets in spending.
"I have spoken lightly with some individuals who filed and there is interest," said Howard Wilson of Andover, a libertarian and state Senate candidate. "The federal government is part of the problem, and we are going to put them on notice."
Secessionists in their writings oppose high defense spending and intervention, corporate subsidies, bailouts of financial institutions and central banking.
Caleb Johnson of Keene, for instance, set up republicofnh.org for secession, with papers citing federal borrowing and printing of "fiat currency" as causes of a weakening dollar, predicting dismal outcomes.
But the forms of capitalism, free-trade and protectionism, have remained sources of division in secessionist movements.
Nova Scotia's Atlantica Party made electoral reform a priority to secession with Atlantic Institute for Market Studies began a bid in 2006 to create a free-trade zone in New England and Nova Scotia called Atlantica.
Atlantic Institute seeks to capitalize on the region's maritime position in the era of globalization, but the move drew a small-scale riot at its 2006 convention from the Black Bloc, a group who thinks the free-trade zone will harm worker and environmental rights.
Sebastian Ronin, a strident localist, broke with Atlantic Party in 2007 and created the Novacadia party to secede (citing the 2000 Clarity Act created relative to Quebec's mid-1990s separatist movement that gives provinces the legal right to secede).
Thomas Naylor, 72, economics professor emeritus from Duke University, and founder of the Second Vermont Republic for secession in 2003, connected Ronin with New England movements.
The first secessionist convention in Vermont in 2006 drew 300 people (11 to 13 percent of the state supports secession, said University of Vermont polls) and last year representatives from 25 states signed a document called the Chattanooga Declaration.
It said "the old right-left split is meaningless and dead" and due to the "privileges, monopolies, and powers that private corporations have won from governments without secession, liberty and self-government can never be sustained."
The third convention is at the Radisson Hotel in Manchester from Nov. 14 to 16, drawing Cohen, Naylor, Ronin, Carolyn Chute, 61, author and founder of 2nd Maine Militia, Kirkpatrick Sale, 71, of Middlebury Institute in New York, Clyde Wilson of University of South Carolina and Donald Livingston of Emory University, each of League of the South.
Quote from: Friday on November 30, 2008, 09:31 PM NHFT
You have your own Wikipedia page? Color me impressed.
you should have been looking for Bill Grennon
Quote from: Friday on November 30, 2008, 09:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: BillKauffman on November 30, 2008, 09:28 PM NHFT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman)
You have your own Wikipedia page? Color me impressed.
Save the admiration for a Wiki page in his own name.
Quote from: KBCraig on December 01, 2008, 10:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Friday on November 30, 2008, 09:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: BillKauffman on November 30, 2008, 09:28 PM NHFT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kauffman)
You have your own Wikipedia page? Color me impressed.
Save the admiration for a Wiki page in his own name.
I don't understand what you mean?
Quote from: Friday on December 01, 2008, 10:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on December 01, 2008, 10:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Friday on November 30, 2008, 09:31 PM NHFT
You have your own Wikipedia page? Color me impressed.
Save the admiration for a Wiki page in his own name.
I don't understand what you mean?
I mean the same thing Russell said:
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 01, 2008, 06:27 AM NHFT
Quote from: Friday on November 30, 2008, 09:31 PM NHFT
You have your own Wikipedia page? Color me impressed.
you should have been looking for Bill Grennon
KBCraig, what's your source of information that user BillKauffman is Bill Grennon?
Common sense says so. Bill Grennon was there. BillKauffman is reporting on it.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2008, 01:08 PM NHFT
Common sense says so. Bill Grennon was there. BillKauffman is reporting on it.
How would KBCraig know that Bill Grennon was there?
Both Bills where there. We talked a number of times together. He even bought me a beer in the bar.
One of us is a slacker while the other is writing a book on secession and wrote an article on the first SVR secession meeting in VT for Pat Buchanan's magazine.
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/dec/19/00016/ (http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/dec/19/00016/)
Although SVR members range from hippie greens to gun owners—and among the virtues of Vermont is that the twain do sometimes meet—Naylor describes his group's ideological coloration as "leftish libertarian with an anarchist streak."
The SVR lauds the principles and practices of direct democracy, local control of education and health care, small-scale farming, neighborhood enterprise, and the devolution of political power. The movement is anti-globalist and sees beauty in the small. It detests Wal-Mart, the Interstate Highway System, and a foreign policy that is "immoral, illegal, and unconstitutional." It draws inspiration from, among others, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who in bidding farewell to his neighbors in Cavendish, Vermont, where he had lived in exile for 17 years, praised "the sensible and sure process of grassroots democracy, in which the local population solves most of its problems on its own, not waiting for the decisions of higher authorities."
Naylor likes to say that Wal-Mart, which is "too big, too powerful, too intrusive, too mean-spirited, too materialistic, too dehumanizing, too undemocratic, too environmentally insensitive, and too unresponsive to the social, cultural, and economic needs of individual citizens and small communities," is the American metaphor in these post-republic days. Perhaps it is. So why not a new metaphor, suggests Naylor: that of Vermont, which is "smaller, more rural, more democratic, less violent, less commercial, more egalitarian, and more independent" than its sister states?
When Naylor laid out the case for independence in The Vermont Manifesto (2003), the political air was heavy, sodden, statist. "Even in the best of times secession is a very tough sell in the USA," lamented Naylor in 2002. "Since Sept. 11, it has proven to be an impossible sell." But George, Scooter, and Wolfie, for whom Vermont is just another inconsequential state full of potential bodybag fillers, came to the rescue, putting a rebarbative face on the Empire and opening the door to radical possibilities.
In stepped the Second Vermont Republic, with a blend of whimsicality and seriousness, and its "eye-catching street theater has proven irresistible to the media, as has its exponential growth in the aftermath of the 2004 elections," according to Cathy Resmer of the Burlington weekly Seven Days.
With polemical wit provided by Vermont's Bread and Puppet Theater, the SVR has staged mock funeral processions, parades, and Fourth of July floats in which children declared their independence from bedtime, "annoying siblings," and "my floaties." The SVR has even achieved a symbolic political success, persuading the legislature to declare Jan. 16 as Vermont Independence Day in commemoration of the establishment of the First Vermont Republic in 1777.
The group's seriousness of purpose is evident in its literate monthly, Vermont Commons, which includes contributions from the likes of Wendell Berry, Bill McKibben, and Kirkpatrick Sale on such topics as family and organic farming, community-supported agriculture, land trusts, and local currencies—constituting in sum, a humane and practicable alternative to the Empire of Wal-Mart and Warfare. The tincture is green, but conservative, too, and although Naylor refuses to kiss up to his state's hack politicians—he calls Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy "a world-class prostitute"—the Republican lieutenant governor has praised the SVR for "their energy and their passion."
Quote from: Friday on December 02, 2008, 12:39 PM NHFT
KBCraig, what's your source of information that user BillKauffman is Bill Grennon?
How many Georgists with the same writing style can there be?
if it posts like bill grennon than then it may be bill grennon ;)
I think the real bill grennon has an account here and is really funny.
Same email address anyway.
Be sure to send me your Virtual Economic Rent.
Might seem like infinite space here in the intertubes, but it is indeed finite.
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Wouldn't want to be seen as using up this limited resource to the exclusion of others, now would you.
;D
Thank you, I'll be here all week!
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there he is
Had a good time there on Saturday, but would have loved to have seen some actual NH folks give a presentation or two. If my memory serves me correctly there were two guys from NY, two from Alaska and two from Texas and others from various places . . but none from NH where it was held :/
I thought I saw a report which said William from NH talked about the FSP a little. I certainly handout out FTL flyers to just about everyone there :) The Secession movement in NH seems to be highly unorganized, even less organized than places like VT and TX.
the secession movement has been big in TX for a long time ... but hasn't done anything
maybe we are actually gunna "git er done"