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New Hampshire Underground => Voluntaryism/Anarchism => Topic started by: dalebert on October 15, 2008, 12:53 AM NHFT

Title: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: dalebert on October 15, 2008, 12:53 AM NHFT
An excerpt:

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Many people seem to think I don’t want to impact politics. That couldn’t be further from the truth. Like all “small-L” libertarians, I see politics as force backed by the the threat of violence, which is the opposite of freedom, and I absolutely want to see a substantial reduction in the impact of politics on our personal lives. However, to do this effectively, I must recognize politics as the enemy.
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When I choose not to vote, it’s just a small first step. I’m speaking out against the process itself and it seriously muddles my message if I engage in the process while speaking out against it. But I still have the potential to impact the process from outside of it. Anarchy or voluntaryism is not a binary all-or-nothing strategy. We can make progress toward liberty right now. Consider a viral message against the process itself and the positive impact that could have on political decisions.

Read the rest (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2008/10/14/if-you-vote-you-cant-complain/).
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 15, 2008, 03:30 AM NHFT
Nice.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Vitruvian on October 15, 2008, 09:07 AM NHFT
No joke - I just read this last night: An Open Letter to Harry Browne from John Pugsley (http://books.google.com/books?id=HplECP-6cIAC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&output=html&sig=ACfU3U2mbSBybqEi3Zp2Kkn4eCVun0UPlg)
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: dalebert on October 15, 2008, 09:22 AM NHFT
No joke - I just read this last night: An Open Letter to Harry Browne from John Pugsley (http://books.google.com/books?id=HplECP-6cIAC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&output=html&sig=ACfU3U2mbSBybqEi3Zp2Kkn4eCVun0UPlg)

 :o
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: KBCraig on October 15, 2008, 04:34 PM NHFT
Excellent piece, Dale! I just linked to it on a local forum, where the "If you don't vote you can't complain!" faction is in full voice. And of course, they really mean "If you don't vote for one of the Big Two..."  ::)
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: dalebert on October 15, 2008, 07:29 PM NHFT
If you like this post, please digg it.

http://digg.com/political_opinion/If_You_Vote_You_Can_t_Complain
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 16, 2008, 05:16 AM NHFT
Could I use this in the paper?  I like your latest cartoon, too.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on October 16, 2008, 07:10 AM NHFT
I'm going to vote and I'm going to complain too!
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 16, 2008, 08:18 AM NHFT
Curmudgeon.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on October 16, 2008, 08:24 AM NHFT
Yes.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 16, 2008, 08:43 AM NHFT
maybe if you stopped voting you could have Dale's sunny disposition.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: Sam A. Robrin on October 16, 2008, 08:54 AM NHFT
Excellent piece, Dale! I just linked to it on a local forum, where the "If you don't vote you can't complain!" faction is in full voice. And of course, they really mean "If you don't vote for one of the Big Two..."  ::)


Well, what they mean is that they want you to become part of the system: "Jooooiiiiiin uuuusssss!"  Ninety percent of all human interaction reduces down to Invasion of the Body Snatchers . . .
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 16, 2008, 09:57 AM NHFT
No joke - I just read this last night: An Open Letter to Harry Browne from John Pugsley (http://books.google.com/books?id=HplECP-6cIAC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&output=html&sig=ACfU3U2mbSBybqEi3Zp2Kkn4eCVun0UPlg)

Would I have found this movement were it not for Harry's two presidential runs?  Possibly, but no way to know for sure.

While I understand and agree with much of what Pugsley has to say, I'm very pleased that Harry ran for president.  That's how I was led to his book, "Why Government Doesn't Work", and down the rabbit hole I went.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: dalebert on October 16, 2008, 10:24 AM NHFT
Could I use this in the paper?  I like your latest cartoon, too.

It's so cute how you keep politely asking when you know what my answer will be. :) Remind me the size of the printed comic so I can get you the right resolution. I'll even switch it to B&W and see if I need to tweak the tones a bit to show up better.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 16, 2008, 10:34 AM NHFT
For future reference, anything Free Keene bloggers write should be considered public domain.  No permission needed to reprint.  Including a mention of the source website is a nice courtesy.
Title: Re: If You Vote, You Can't Complain
Post by: jaqeboy on October 16, 2008, 01:20 PM NHFT
Apropos to this thread, here's the re-done tri-fold pamphlet of "Our Enemy, The Party", a piece created by Sam Konkin in 1980, and just recently re layed out to a pdf: http://www.agorism.info/_media/our_enemy_the_party.pdf