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Title: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Friday on December 07, 2008, 07:11 PM NHFT
Join us on Sunday, Dec. 14th, Noon - 6:00PM at Faneuil Hall

The theme of this year's BTP event will focus on setting up a Constitutional, sound money system at the State level, to compete with the Federal Reserve system.

This year's nationally renowned speakers include:

Dr. Edwin Vieira, perhaps America's foremost constitutional scholar (also top of his Harvard Law class),
will be giving an important address about these subjects with impeccable historical documentation and logic.

Dr. Rand Paul, son of presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul and last year's key note speaker

Dr. Katherine Albrecht is fighting to stop RFID tagging and chipping. A new consumer goods tracking
system called Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) is poised to enter all of our lives, with profound
implications for consumer privacy.

John McManus, President of the John Birch Society, will address the economic consequences of the
federal bailout.

Seating is limited. General Admission tickets can be purchased for $17.76.

For more information and to purchase your tickets, visit:
www.BostonTeaParty08.com

Can't make it Boston? You can still be part of this historic event while ensuring your funds are used to promote
fiscal responsibility within the states.

You can pre-order a special DVD of the event as well as watch a LIVE webcast of the entire event for just $17.76.
Visit our website for details.

www.BostonTeaParty08.com (http://www.bostonteaparty08.com)
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Friday on December 07, 2008, 07:14 PM NHFT
While some of these speakers don't exactly make my heart sing, the thought of seeing Faneuil Hall packed with people who want to do an end-run around the Federal Reserve does.   :love10:  Sounds really promising; I will probably go.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Friday on December 07, 2008, 07:16 PM NHFT
Joel will also be speaking:

QuoteState Representative Joel Winters (D-Manchester) is serving his second term in the New Hampshire House. Many times, the federal government will ignore problems until the states have begun to take action of their own. Joel will talk about some of the ways that we can build pressure in the states for a sound money system, pass sound money bills in New Hampshire, and the current legislative efforts to bring attention to the problems of fiat currency.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Fluff and Stuff on December 08, 2008, 01:16 PM NHFT
This looks exciting.  Are you going Friday?  The event organizers are giving the FSP free table space :) Of course, I'm not asking you to do a table.  I'm already willing to do that and I think Greg is also.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: John Edward Mercier on December 08, 2008, 05:46 PM NHFT
How would one go about setting up a constitutional sound money at the State level?
Since only the US Congress is empowered to Coin Money and set the value there of.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 08, 2008, 05:54 PM NHFT
We could empower ourselves.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Friday on December 09, 2008, 06:30 AM NHFT
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on December 08, 2008, 01:16 PM NHFT
This looks exciting.  Are you going Friday? 
Don't know yet.  I'm waffling.  Where's the waffle emoticon?  I'll make do with this bacon emoticon, because bacon goes well with waffles. :Bacon_by_danniep:
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 09, 2008, 05:40 PM NHFT
:waffle:
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Friday on December 09, 2008, 06:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 09, 2008, 05:40 PM NHFT
:waffle:
Kat's powers are goddesslike!   :notworthy:
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: error on December 09, 2008, 11:52 PM NHFT
Rand Paul will be speaking there.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: jaqeboy on December 10, 2008, 01:17 PM NHFT
There will be 2 Community Currency workshops surrounding the Tea Party event: Saturday in Boston (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16384.0) and Monday in Bristol, N.H. (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16385.0) - both posted to the NHFree Calendar now
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Ron Helwig on December 10, 2008, 01:42 PM NHFT
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on December 08, 2008, 05:46 PM NHFT
How would one go about setting up a constitutional sound money at the State level?
Since only the US Congress is empowered to Coin Money and set the value there of.

http://www.goldmoneybill.org/ (http://www.goldmoneybill.org/) has one take on it. They tried in 2004. It might be getting time to try it again.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: jaqeboy on December 10, 2008, 02:02 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 08, 2008, 05:54 PM NHFT
We could empower ourselves.

See community currency workshops  ;D
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: John Edward Mercier on December 10, 2008, 04:04 PM NHFT
Quote from: Ron Helwig on December 10, 2008, 01:42 PM NHFT
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on December 08, 2008, 05:46 PM NHFT
How would one go about setting up a constitutional sound money at the State level?
Since only the US Congress is empowered to Coin Money and set the value there of.

http://www.goldmoneybill.org/ (http://www.goldmoneybill.org/) has one take on it. They tried in 2004. It might be getting time to try it again.

The bill failed because you already can trade US legal tender gold and silver coins in NH... you can even use them to pay taxes.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: anon88241661 on December 10, 2008, 04:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on December 10, 2008, 04:04 PM NHFT

The bill failed because you already can trade US legal tender gold and silver coins in NH... you can even use them to pay taxes.


Much more interesting would be a Federal Bill that required the US Mint to place a USD value on minted silver/gold coins that is within $1USD of the spot price of silver/gold at the first of the year in which they are minted.

It might be possible to get something like that passed, since a Nevada man was able to contest an IRS criminal complaint regarding his payment of employees in US Gold Eagles spot/weight equivalent with average state salaries but only collected payroll taxes based on the face USD value of the coins.

No one will pay NH fees and taxes with Sliver or Gold because the USD denomination of US Gov't minted coins is so vastly far bellow the spot price of the metals.

Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: John Edward Mercier on December 10, 2008, 06:12 PM NHFT
I think that case is still open... as he would either need to violate minimum wage laws... or pay his employees very well.

Also the IRS really shouldn't care... If I pay you seven one-dollar silver coins for an hour of your labor... and you later sell the coins for the $70-80 dollars you can get in the open market. The IRS can go after you for capital gains. It also lowers the deductible expense allowed by the business owner towards their taxes.

And the SSA can claim that you did not earn enough credits for inclusion in the program.

It takes a top notch International Financier to find loopholes worth exploring... and even then the Congress can change the laws, if the loophole becomes overused.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: Porcupine Realtor on December 11, 2008, 10:16 PM NHFT
Looks like a great event.  Even if you cannot attend in person, please consider a small donation of $17.76 to buy the DVD and/or watch the event online.
Title: Re: Boston Tea Party 2008 - sound money theme
Post by: jaqeboy on December 12, 2008, 06:28 PM NHFT
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