Ian has just reported during tonight's show that he is being ordered to appear in court or somethingbecause he spoke out (and wrote about) Andrew Carroll's marijuana protest. This is potentially a really big deal as a first amendment issue.
I'm surprised I'm the first one to post about it. Maybe I missed something. I'm building a video and have uploaded the pre recorded emergency message. Who else knows more about what's going on?
you can find the audio file , january 14 about a third of the way in
http://FreeTalkLive.com
I haven't listened to the show yet. Was it just as the show was ending or was the show interrupted, or what?
I saw Ian talking with Keene thug Shane, and patting his shoulder ... I am sure Maxfield had a knife ready to stab our fearless talk show host in the back.
I didn't hear that part what the hell?
Yeah, he's being charged with helping Andrew, therefore un-suspending his sentence. I think they are afraid of losing their robbery powers. He's too visible and talks sense to a wide audience, and doesn't bow to the idol willingly. Go Ian!!
So, he has been asked to surrender to authorities to serve out the remainder of the 93 days? Can't say I'm surprised.
maybe he will have to stay on air and they can drag him away while taking calls
Mark and anti-semitic Scott should do an episode together.
I don't know the Scott you're talking about but I trust that he's just a true anti-semite and not someone who's merely questioning the bombing deaths of Palestinians.
anyways. . .
Get those Free Ian signs out again
It sounded to me like the Keene prosector was doing this BS. Ian also mentioned that in the letter that the prosecutor was reviewing video. Likely the video from the pig-pen lobby.
Who knows, it's utter bullshit to suggest that supporting someone openly is somehow a crime!
"criminal liability for the conduct of another"? Outrageous and offensive.
Good work, Keene authorities; knowing that you will investigate and pursue people merely for *watching* civil disobedience has greatly increased my desire to do so, just to let you know what I think about your feeble attempts to intimidate the citizens you supposedly serve. Next time, the crowd will be bigger.
As for going after Ian for engaging in his chosen and perfectly legal profession, all I can say is, in the immortal words of Guido the Pimp, "In a sluggish economy, never, ever fuck with another man's livelihood!"
Salty!
I have not listened to the show yet but this is sounding like the Keene Korupt Kourt system is going to try and lean on Ian to get information so they can get the person who supplied Andrew with the marijuana.
Quote from: Moebius Tripp on January 15, 2009, 04:33 AM NHFT
Yeah, he's being charged with helping Andrew, therefore un-suspending his sentence. I think they are afraid of losing their robbery powers. He's too visible and talks sense to a wide audience, and doesn't bow to the idol willingly. Go Ian!!
The states charges was phrased as "Criminal Liability for the conduct of another" because he blogged about, sent a press release, physically showed up at the event, and had Andrew on Free Talk Live radio show.
In the show it was in between John from NH call and crazy Paula's call about the silver mines being shut down.
This is exactly the kind of case that the ACLU might choose to get involved in. It's potentially very high profile and controversial, a clear free speech issue. Could get us great exposure!
So in Keene is the City Attorney the Prosecutor?
Looking for a phone number to express my opinion on this matter.
RSA 626:8 paragraph III(a) is what he's being charged with. Henceforth to be known as the "Thou shalt not report activism" law.
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III. A person is an accomplice of another person in the commission of an offense if:
(a) With the purpose of promoting or facilitating the commission of the offense, he solicits such other person in committing it, or aids or agrees or attempts to aid such other person in planning or committing it
Seems a terribly broad use of the law, imo.
Most users of this forum would come under this offense.
We need as many people as possible to start committing this "offense". This is a hill to die on, as Ridley would describe it. When free speech is dead, all hope is lost.
Quote from: Moebius Tripp on January 15, 2009, 08:56 AM NHFT
RSA 626:8 paragraph III(a) is what he's being charged with. Henceforth to be known as the "Thou shalt not report activism" law.
Quote
III. A person is an accomplice of another person in the commission of an offense if:
(a) With the purpose of promoting or facilitating the commission of the offense, he solicits such other person in committing it, or aids or agrees or attempts to aid such other person in planning or committing it
Seems a terribly broad use of the law, imo.
I hereby solicit and attempt to aid Ian in planning or committing the offense of soliciting and attempting to aid the planning or committing of Andrews protest.
I hereby solicit everyone else to also commit this offense.
So say we all.
I hope that Ian can use this situation to drive up his listenership and AMP dollars!
Does this also mean that all of us AMPers are aiding Ian and thereby also "guilty"?
Quote from: Jacobus on January 15, 2009, 09:15 AM NHFT
Does this also mean that all of us AMPers are aiding Ian and thereby also "guilty"?
I hope so.
Dave, a correction:
The prosecutor is pleading for the judge to call a date to haul me in front of court. The judge has yet to make a decision. Sam and I are working on a response. Here's the "motion" from the prosecutor:
http://freekeene.com/files/Motion_to_Show_Cause2009-01-12.pdf
Sam is helping me with a response. Both documents will be posted later today at http://freekeene.com
I hereby solicit and attempt to aid rancemuhamitz in planning or committing the offense of soliciting or attempting to aid Ian in planning or committing the offense of soliciting and attempting to aid the planning or committing of Andrews protest.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 15, 2009, 08:50 AM NHFT
So in Keene is the City Attorney the Prosecutor?
Looking for a phone number to express my opinion on this matter.
No, the city attorney is the attorney the city hires to do legal paperwork, not prosecutions.
The prosecutor is a cop, Sgt. Eliezer Rivera. He's the guy that was handing citations to Toby and I at Freedom Fest, then later dropped the charges.
I'm promoting it in the paper. Will I get a summons too?
Quote from: dalebert on January 15, 2009, 09:10 AM NHFT
We need as many people as possible to start committing this "offense". This is a hill to die on, as Ridley would describe it. When free speech is dead, all hope is lost.
Maybe we could have an event where everyone pays Ian their monthly AMP in cash, in a public place, in a blatant attempt to "solicit and attempt to aid" his efforts. >:D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 09:31 AM NHFT
I'm promoting it in the paper. Will I get a summons too?
If you don't then that would just be more evidence of criminal harassment by Rivera with me as the specific target. If you do, it's evidence of him criminally harassing Keene liberty media. Toby should also beware.
Quote from: Friday on January 15, 2009, 09:34 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on January 15, 2009, 09:10 AM NHFT
We need as many people as possible to start committing this "offense". This is a hill to die on, as Ridley would describe it. When free speech is dead, all hope is lost.
Maybe we could have an event where everyone pays Ian their monthly AMP in cash, in a public place, in a blatant attempt to "solicit and attempt to aid" his efforts. >:D
Or just hold a sign that says "Please possess marijuana, it's good for you"
Quote from: rancemuhamitz on January 15, 2009, 09:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: Friday on January 15, 2009, 09:34 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on January 15, 2009, 09:10 AM NHFT
We need as many people as possible to start committing this "offense". This is a hill to die on, as Ridley would describe it. When free speech is dead, all hope is lost.
Maybe we could have an event where everyone pays Ian their monthly AMP in cash, in a public place, in a blatant attempt to "solicit and attempt to aid" his efforts. >:D
Or just hold a sign that says "Please possess marijuana, it's good for you"
OOPS! I just broke the law again!
I listened to the Superintendent of the Cheshire Co. Jail speak out against drug laws to a crowd of impressionable college students. Should he get a summons too?
Can you scan the thug paperwork and put it up? Getting an article or the paper ready.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 10:50 AM NHFT
Can you scan the thug paperwork and put it up? Getting an article or the paper ready.
http://freekeene.com/files/Motion_to_Show_Cause2009-01-12.pdf
Sure, does that link work?
"The prosecuting attorney started to prosecute me,
He gave me the first second and third degree."
Article posted to Free Keene:
http://freekeene.com/2009/01/15/free-speech-a-criminal-act-in-new-hampshire/
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 15, 2009, 11:16 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 10:50 AM NHFT
Can you scan the thug paperwork and put it up? Getting an article or the paper ready.
http://freekeene.com/files/Motion_to_Show_Cause2009-01-12.pdf
Sure, does that link work?
Thanks, yes.
This is ridiculous because at least 2 people would be more criminally liable for assisting that would be Ian.
1) The person who gave Andrew a ride to Keene
2) The person who provided the Marijuana to Andrew
This is of course if they are not the same person. But to go after someone who didn't do anything but attend and report on the event from what I can tell is really going after the 1st amendment. Also if they were going to go after someone they should have arrested all 43+ people at the event. Since they didn't do that I feel they are also unfairly targeting people and not "enforcing" their laws equally among all participants which will cause them a HUGE liability in civil court IMHO. Ian could sue the Keene Police Department, or the individual officers, or even the prosecutor for not going after all 43+ people who attended with the same charges.
Just because he has a prior agreement with the state doesn't mean the law is easier for him to break than anyone else.
There are good odds Rivera is "just following orders" from above in the KPD. I imagine we'll find out for sure soon enough.
Quote from: rancemuhamitz on January 15, 2009, 09:11 AM NHFT
Quote from: Moebius Tripp on January 15, 2009, 08:56 AM NHFT
RSA 626:8 paragraph III(a) is what he's being charged with. Henceforth to be known as the "Thou shalt not report activism" law.
Quote
III. A person is an accomplice of another person in the commission of an offense if:
(a) With the purpose of promoting or facilitating the commission of the offense, he solicits such other person in committing it, or aids or agrees or attempts to aid such other person in planning or committing it
Seems a terribly broad use of the law, imo.
I hereby solicit and attempt to aid Ian in planning or committing the offense of soliciting and attempting to aid the planning or committing of Andrews protest.
I hereby solicit everyone else to also commit this offense.
So say we all.
See Spartacus, with Kirk Douglas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus_(film)) - when the roman official asks "who is Spartacus?", all the followers of Spartacus stand one-by-one and say "I am Spartacus", "I am Spartacus", etc. [Of course, the Romans just kill them all, but, I liked the bravery of all that stood by him.]
QuoteCrassus promises the captives that they will not be punished if they will identify Spartacus or his body. In a powerful scene, one by one, each surviving soldier stands and claims to be Spartacus (shouting out "I'm Spartacus!")
Quote from: ColdSoul on January 15, 2009, 11:58 AM NHFT
...
Also if they were going to go after someone they should have arrested all 43+ people at the event.
...
They should all go to the Keene PD and say "I am Spartacus" ;) - see if they get it.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 15, 2009, 12:04 PM NHFT
There are good odds Rivera is "just following orders" from above in the KPD. I imagine we'll find out for sure soon enough.
Prosecutors (who I assume Rivera is) doesn't take orders from the PD. We use to have the Prosecutor toss out all kinds of cases and that was what they did. Now if the Chief of the Keene Police called the District Attorney or something along those lines then that might filter down. That's generally how it works.
Quote from: ColdSoul on January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM NHFT
Prosecutors (who I assume Rivera is) doesn't take orders from the PD. We use to have the Prosecutor toss out all kinds of cases and that was what they did. Now if the Chief of the Keene Police called the District Attorney or something along those lines then that might filter down. That's generally how it works.
This is not true according to my in-the-system source. The prosecutor does take orders from the chief, or anyone who outranks him in KPD. The county attorney can only override the prosecutor, not order him to do things.
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/309
OK, if I write an article about Ian's thing, blog about it, and show up at his court, will I be criminally liable too?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 12:45 PM NHFT
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/309
OK, if I write an article about Ian's thing, blog about it, and show up at his court, will I be criminally liable too?
Only if you call for him to break the law or help him plan it. If you're just reporting what you view as the facts, you'll be fine.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 12:45 PM NHFT
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/309
OK, if I write an article about Ian's thing, blog about it, and show up at his court, will I be criminally liable too?
Thanks for the article, Kat - I think the answer at this point is, "possibly". All Keene liberty media should be prepared for arrest, though odds are they are only targeting me because the burden of proof on a suspended sentence violation is much lower than for anyone else being charged.
His Majesty The King
Keene District Court
Cheshire, SS January term 2009
The King
v.
Ian Bernard/servant
Motion to Show Treason
NOW COMES THE KING by and through Eliezer Rivera, Police Prosecutor
to ask The Kings Court to have Ian Bernard appear before the King to Show Cause to His Majesty.
I. That, a Royal Officer of The King feels compelled to advised the King of Ian Bernard's
recent behavior, which could be looked upon as treason, to Wit:
a. 626:8
Criminal Liability for Conduct of Another.
III. A person is an accomplice of another person in the commission of an offense
If: (a) With the purpose of promoting ... the commission of the offense... aids... in planning and committing It.
We shall not bore the King or his Royal servants with petty details.... But ask that the King render unto His servants the Royal Justice of which they are so deserving.
Respectfully submitted,
The King' Royal Servant
Russell complained that I about spit chunks from Facile Tator's post. :)
I submitted the article to Alex Jones' show.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 15, 2009, 12:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: ColdSoul on January 15, 2009, 12:18 PM NHFT
Prosecutors (who I assume Rivera is) doesn't take orders from the PD. We use to have the Prosecutor toss out all kinds of cases and that was what they did. Now if the Chief of the Keene Police called the District Attorney or something along those lines then that might filter down. That's generally how it works.
This is not true according to my in-the-system source. The prosecutor does take orders from the chief, or anyone who outranks him in KPD. The county attorney can only override the prosecutor, not order him to do things.
I am sorry I must have not have made myself clear. What I mean is the Chief of KPD might call the Prosecutor's Boss who will then filter it down. This happens all the time. The Chief of the KPD doesn't have any direct link to the Prosecutor but if the Chief calls the Prosecutor's boss and says we need to do something about this.. blah blah blah. The Prosecutor's Boss (District Attorney, Attorney General?) would then tell the Prosecutor to try and see what they can do. I highly doubt the Prosecutor would do something like this on his own, but anything is possible. Again it isn't a "official order" it's a filter down or information like "it might be a good idea (wink) for you to look into this" type of thing.
I see what you're saying. I don't think I was clear:
Sgt. (and prosecutor) Rivera takes orders from the higher ranking officers in the KPD, including the Chief. The chief is Rivera's boss. He does not take orders from the county attorney.
It seems things are different here in NH from what you are used to.
This is where the conflict of interests between "Prosecutor" and "Officer" come into play, considering both are the same person. It gives KPD more pull with the prosecutor's office, among other things.
I don't think there's a prosecutor other than the police officer prosecutor.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 01:31 PM NHFT
I don't think there's a prosecutor other than the police officer prosecutor.
I believe District Court cases all just have police prosecutors, whereas when you get to Superior Court, it's done by a County Attorney. There's a kind of special status to District Courts, in that they're not constituitonally-defined. All their cases are appealable for a de novo trial in Superior Court (an all new trial on the merits, not like a Supreme Court challenge on the legal issues, or on abuse of discretion.)
Quote from: Friday on January 15, 2009, 06:17 AM NHFT
"criminal liability for the conduct of another"? Outrageous and offensive.
Good work, Keene authorities; knowing that you will investigate and pursue people merely for *watching* civil disobedience has greatly increased my desire to do so, just to let you know what I think about your feeble attempts to intimidate the citizens you supposedly serve. Next time, the crowd will be bigger.
As for going after Ian for engaging in his chosen and perfectly legal profession, all I can say is, in the immortal words of Guido the Pimp, "In a sluggish economy, never, ever fuck with another man's livelihood!"
exactly
liable ... to who? how much? really crazy
I think they didn't like the big crowd. But it will bring more I bet. :icon_pirat:
I guess some of us are going after the government guys jobs. Ian hasn't stolen from people, they voluntarily give him money.
Quote from: slim on January 15, 2009, 07:22 AM NHFT
I have not listened to the show yet but this is sounding like the Keene Korupt Kourt system is going to try and lean on Ian to get information so they can get the person who supplied Andrew with the marijuana.
I think they would like to go after everyone, but Ian is easiest right now, since he had something "suspended" by the thugs.
They are no longer ignoring us. We have moved on to step 3.
People are really pouring into Keene because of this kind of stuff. I guess we can send a thank you to Rivera for THAT.
Great write up Kat!
It's been Dugg, let's push this to the top!
http://digg.com/world_news/Talk_Show_Host_Threatened_with_Jail_For_Opposing_Drug_War
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 12:45 PM NHFT
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/309
OK, if I write an article about Ian's thing, blog about it, and show up at his court, will I be criminally liable too?
If I take this bong hit, will I be liable too?
Quote from: Jacobus on January 15, 2009, 09:15 AM NHFT
I hope that Ian can use this situation to drive up his listenership and AMP dollars!
Does this also mean that all of us AMPers are aiding Ian and thereby also "guilty"?
yes
Ian is the innocent victim ... you are the actual liable parties
Quote from: mackler on January 15, 2009, 01:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 15, 2009, 12:45 PM NHFT
http://www.newhampshirefreepress.com/NHFreePress/?q=node/309
OK, if I write an article about Ian's thing, blog about it, and show up at his court, will I be criminally liable too?
If I take this bong hit, will I be liable too?
Liable... to share.
Quote from: Kevin Dean on January 15, 2009, 01:48 PM NHFT
Great write up Kat!
It's been Dugg, let's push this to the top!
http://digg.com/world_news/Talk_Show_Host_Threatened_with_Jail_For_Opposing_Drug_War
This one too
http://digg.com/politics/Free_Speech_a_Criminal_Act_in_New_Hampshire (http://digg.com/politics/Free_Speech_a_Criminal_Act_in_New_Hampshire)
Quote from: ColdSoul on January 15, 2009, 11:58 AM NHFT
2) The person who provided the Marijuana to Andrew
I think I remember finding a wacky weed last year while picking up trash on 101. I also might have given it to Andy.
It would be good for the whole group to peaceably reassemble if one has to go to court. AnarchoJesse can even yell at the cops some more, although I wouldn't recommend it. :)
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 15, 2009, 12:04 PM NHFT
There are good odds Rivera is "just following orders" from above in the KPD. I imagine we'll find out for sure soon enough.
just like he did by identifying me at the court and having the deputies arrest me?
just like maxfield did when he arrested me?
these guys enjoy their work ... otherwise they should quit their jobs
Reddit if you got it!
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7q0is/talk_show_host_threatened_with_jail_for_opposing/
sent to eli reivera, ian's prosecutor in this matter:
erivera at ci.keene.nh period us
Eli:
I'm doing a report on your involvement in the motion against Ian Bernard. I'd welcome comment from you. Call me if you like at 721-1490.
---
others of you can email him if you wish...just remember to let the government be the bad guy...dont become the bad guy yourself.
Quote from: rancemuhamitz on January 15, 2009, 02:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kevin Dean on January 15, 2009, 01:48 PM NHFT
Great write up Kat!
It's been Dugg, let's push this to the top!
http://digg.com/world_news/Talk_Show_Host_Threatened_with_Jail_For_Opposing_Drug_War
This one too
http://digg.com/politics/Free_Speech_a_Criminal_Act_in_New_Hampshire (http://digg.com/politics/Free_Speech_a_Criminal_Act_in_New_Hampshire)
Is anyone cross-posting those on marijuana forums?
complete video report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4bb12CWmc
Thanks, Dave. Let me know if Eli gets back to you. I have an email in to him as well.
Quote from: ColdSoul on January 15, 2009, 11:58 AM NHFT
This is ridiculous because at least 2 people would be more criminally liable for assisting that would be Ian.
1) The person who gave Andrew a ride to Keene
2) The person who provided the Marijuana to Andrew
This is of course if they are not the same person. But to go after someone who didn't do anything but attend and report on the event from what I can tell is really going after the 1st amendment. Also if they were going to go after someone they should have arrested all 43+ people at the event. Since they didn't do that I feel they are also unfairly targeting people and not "enforcing" their laws equally among all participants which will cause them a HUGE liability in civil court IMHO. Ian could sue the Keene Police Department, or the individual officers, or even the prosecutor for not going after all 43+ people who attended with the same charges.
Just because he has a prior agreement with the state doesn't mean the law is easier for him to break than anyone else.
Perhaps you missed number five.
5. That, the Keene Police Department is investigating the staged civil disobedience and reviewing
videos to determine whether other participants may have engaged in criminal activity.
I love how that list of naughty things they're accusing Ian of goes from legal stuff to "This just isn't 'good behavior'".
posted today;s video to
http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=20509.0
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=26730.0
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1911853#post1911853
http://ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?p=336328#post336328
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12075662#post12075662
http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=728798#post728798
http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6460
http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/NH-Govt-moves-against-Free-Talk-Live
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16664.0
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/index.php?topic=1638.0
Man what can you even say about shit like this.
Free country?
Am I now an interstate felon, because I support Ian
and Andrew?
Sent to wmur.com
Keene radio host charged with "blogging"
Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4bb12CWmc&feature=channel_page
PDF of charges:
http://freekeene.com/files/Motion_to_Show_Cause2009-01-12.pdf
My contact info: (number)
"Outlaw radio host" Ian Freeman: (number)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 15, 2009, 09:02 AM NHFT
Most users of this forum would come under this offense.
Yeah, no kidding. Good thing we're all wearing V masks in your signature. :V_mask_50:
Quote from: Pat K on January 15, 2009, 04:24 PM NHFT
Am I now an interstate felon, because I support Ian
and Andrew?
yes ... now you have involved the feds ... and ruined it for the rest of us
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 15, 2009, 05:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on January 15, 2009, 04:24 PM NHFT
Am I now an interstate felon, because I support Ian
and Andrew?
yes ... now you have involved the feds ... and ruined it for the rest of us
Oh crap, sorry.
But you know I won't be surprised if I get a vist from
some suited jackasses.
Nah! They'll probably screw up and pay a visit to Pat McCotter.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 15, 2009, 06:10 PM NHFT
Nah! They'll probably screw up and pay a visit to Pat McCotter.
:blueman:
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 15, 2009, 06:10 PM NHFT
Nah! They'll probably screw up and pay a visit to Pat McCotter.
;D
So, Keene must be free of REAL crime (and all the old cases resolved) if the police there have so much time on their hands that they are going after noncriminals.
With so many cops with so much time on their hands and so little to do, they are apparently interested in increasing their rate of creating their own victims. Sounds, to me, like a good reason for the people of Keene to start slashing the police department budget. ASAP!
The Dunkin Donut Lobby will come out strong about that!
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 15, 2009, 07:56 PM NHFT
The Dunkin Donut Lobby will come out strong about that!
Damn, Llloyd's on a roll!
"He'll be here all week!" ;D
I just found out about this via Dave's video on youtube, and I'm absolutely shocked. I never expected so much to come from the now infamous 'couch incident'. I guess this proves how arrogant, out of touch, and drunk with power bureaucrats are at all levels of government. Best of luck fighting this stupidity/witch hunt guys.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 15, 2009, 06:10 PM NHFT
Nah! They'll probably screw up and pay a visit to Pat McCotter.
Naw, they won't be able to find a listing for Pam T. Cotter.
I finished reading the motion, and wow, that's reaching!
The prosecutor charges that Ian assisted Andrew with his "crime", and goes on to list various evidence, such as sending out a press release, publicizing the event, showing up to videotape it, expressing his support for Andrew both in a blog column and by showing up in person, etc.
Which might be evidence, if Andrew's "crime" was holding an unauthorized public demonstration. So far as I know, he hasn't been charged with that. The charge of possession of marijuana wasn't dependent on it being in a public place, or at an arranged act of civil disobedience. The prosecutor doesn't list one shred of evidence that Ian either solicited Andrew to commit this act, or contributed in any way to the actual "criminal" act.
If Ian didn't procure the marijuana, nor provide it, then he didn't assist Andrew in breaking the law.
I think you are right KB
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/RSA/html/LXII/626/626-8.htm
III. A person is an accomplice of another person in the commission of an offense if:
(a) With the purpose of promoting or facilitating the commission of the offense, he solicits such other person in committing it, or aids or agrees or attempts to aid such other person in planning or committing it;
Rivera is not charging anyone for holding the event, he is confusing the CD event with the possession charge. He appears to think it is against the law to talk,write or broadcast about the action that someone else entirely initiated on his own.
That is the traditional way underground events have gone, one individual says they are going to do something and others show up. No leader, no conspiracies.
Seems like the point was not to get any charges to stick on Ian, but to stir up enough shit that the suspended sentence would be reinstated.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 15, 2009, 06:10 PM NHFT
Nah! They'll probably screw up and pay a visit to Pat McCotter.
Hey! How did I get dragged into this!?!? Really officers! I have no idea who these people are! It really was just my air freshener!
Quote from: KBCraig on January 15, 2009, 09:12 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 15, 2009, 06:10 PM NHFT
Nah! They'll probably screw up and pay a visit to Pat McCotter.
Naw, they won't be able to find a listing for Pam T. Cotter.
I was wondering if she was still around. ;D
Hah!
I was listening to NH People's Radio this morning. They had a quote or something from Lynch I think. The douche was talking about how the NH gov't needs to cut back on some welfare BS. He or the commentator also apparently mentioned that it's silly to put people in jail for silly things like driving on a suspended license.
I'd say putting someone in jail for 90 days for not sitting a waste of the government's stolen money.
That's something to ask the king judge, "Are you willing to waste money that you're boss, the governor, said not to?"
good point
Quote from: Puke on January 16, 2009, 05:16 AM NHFT
Hah!
I was listening to NH People's Radio this morning. They had a quote or something from Lynch I think. The douche was talking about how the NH gov't needs to cut back on some welfare BS. He or the commentator also apparently mentioned that it's silly to put people in jail for silly things like driving on a suspended license.
I'd say putting someone in jail for 90 days for not sitting a waste of the government's stolen money.
That's something to ask the king judge, "Are you willing to waste money that you're boss, the governor, said not to?"
The kops do not care they just want warm bodies in cold cells
What a load of nonsense. This is Andrew Carroll, for any of you who do not know.
1) Ian did not help me, in any way, plan the protest. I planned it completely on my own.
2) If they want to arrest him for talking about it then that is a serious violation of his first amendment rights. If that's how they want to act then I know a few cops in New York who support my protest and have been talking about it. Maybe they should be arrested as well.
3) Ian's prior arrest and/or act of civil disobedience did not even influence me to do my protest. I've wanted to do marijuana protests since I was in California. I tried to organize a walk out from my high school to protest the Drug War but couldn't find enough people interested to join me.
4) I acted willingly, on my own behalf, and without the aid of others. Arresting or charging anyone with crimes for talking about the protest, voicing a positive opinion about the protest, or even giving me suggestions on how I ought to perform the protest (which some did, but I did not follow their advice) is completely tyrannical.
Clearly, the arrest is politically motivated.
OTN's Sam (http://obscuredtruth.com) and I delivered a lengthy "Motion to Quash" (.PDF) (http://freekeene.com/files/2009-01-16_Motion_to_Quash.pdf)to the Keene District Court today. Apparently you have ten (business?) days to respond to a motion and we are well within that window. Will report further when we hear the decision of Mr. Burke. Free Keene post coming later, possibly to include footage of Sam refusing to back down when a bailiff demands he turn off his camera...
Sent the info out with posts of Andrew's and Ian's latest adventures with links on Tribe, Myspace and Facebook. Darn now I may be guilty of ... promoting or facilitating the commission of the offense, if someone reads the links I posted and repeats Andrew's protest? :duh:
I think the bureaucrats of Keene really want more liberty activist to move there. This year it's 40 plus people at a CD rally to end the drug war, next year it's 100 and the year after that it will be 400.
Quote from: lastlady on January 16, 2009, 04:05 PM NHFT
I think the bureaucrats of Keene really want more liberty activist to move there. This year it's 40 plus people at a CD rally to end the drug war, next year it's 100 and the year after that it will be 400.
I like your vision. 8)
They spelled Ian Freeman B-E-R-N-A-R-D. :P
More seriously, #5, "Ian" is mispelled "Ina".
Voluntaryists filing motions give me the willies. :-\
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 16, 2009, 03:42 PM NHFT
OTN's Sam (http://obscuredtruth.com) "Motion to Quash" (.PDF) (http://freekeene.com/files/2009-01-16_Motion_to_Quash.pdf)
Brilliant!! It's going to take me a while to recover after reading that!
Quote from: Kevin Dean on January 16, 2009, 04:11 PM NHFT
Voluntaryists filing motions give me the willies. :-\
Sometimes you have to play the hand you're dealt. Other times you can throw the cards out.
Either way Andrew, Dave Ridley, Ian, Sam, Kannings, Lauren and everyone else are an inspiration for those who wish to stand up against tyranny. It's not easy and they make it look like fun. The support everyone gives each other is key.
Amazing motion! If that doesn't kill it on the spot, they're corrupt in an incomprehensible, platonic-form sense. It is weird seeing legaleze stuff from Ian, but way to beat em at their own game.
QuoteEither way Andrew, Dave Ridley, Ian, Sam, Kannings, Lauren and everyone else are an inspiration for those who wish to stand up against tyranny. It's not easy and they make it look like fun. The support everyone gives each other is key.
Perhaps that came across differently than I meant it. I once asked Ian why he was focusing so much on the "government sees people as corporations" thing kind of in the same way. His replay was that he was curious and wanted to play with it. Play. The key being that he was enjoying it. That's a good thing, an I in no way stand critical of that.
Hey, Ian, did you ever send a press release out to the police department? Or in any way contact them prior to the protest to inform them of what would be occurring? Because, if so, you might find this handy:
RSA 626:8 VI(c)
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/626/626-8.htm (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/626/626-8.htm)
QuoteVI. Unless otherwise provided, a person is not an accomplice in an offense committed by another person if:
(c) He terminates his complicity prior to the commission of the offense and wholly deprives it of effectiveness in the commission of the offense or gives timely warning to the law enforcement authorities or otherwise makes proper effort to prevent the commission of the offense.
That could be used to further reiterate your "innocence", even in the eyes of the law, because not only is there no evidence that you helped me "plan" or "commit" the protest but, to the contrary, there's actually evidence that you tried to inform the cops that I was going to do it.
Either way this is utter nonsense and I find it hard to believe that they are actually gonna attempt to prosecute you.
Also, I'd like to state something for the record - and if the Keene police are reading this they are more than welcome to send out a similar "motion to show cause" for my actions.
If you are going to arrest Ian for talking about my protest then, certainly, you should also have me arrested for talking to Ian about talking about my protest. After all, I gave Ian the original press release, which means, if the police truly think that Ian violated RSA 626:8 III(a) for circulating press releases about the protest, then I should also be arrested since I helped Ian violate RSA 626:8 III(a) because I, "with the purpose of promoting... the commission of the offense", provided Ian with the tools for talking about my protest to begin with.
Good find JAC.
These douche bags are just reaching for straws, they clearly have nothing to stand on.
exactly Andrew! ! ! That kills this whole thing right there. Thankfully you are on freedom's side and not the DA. . . cause they'd just figure something else to charge him with.
Quote from: JAC on January 17, 2009, 03:23 AM NHFT
Hey, Ian, did you ever send a press release out to the police department? Or in any way contact them prior to the protest to inform them of what would be occurring? Because, if so, you might find this handy:
RSA 626:8 VI(c)
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/626/626-8.htm (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXII/626/626-8.htm)
QuoteVI. Unless otherwise provided, a person is not an accomplice in an offense committed by another person if:
(c) He terminates his complicity prior to the commission of the offense and wholly deprives it of effectiveness in the commission of the offense or gives timely warning to the law enforcement authorities or otherwise makes proper effort to prevent the commission of the offense.
That could be used to further reiterate your "innocence", even in the eyes of the law, because not only is there no evidence that you helped me "plan" or "commit" the protest but, to the contrary, there's actually evidence that you tried to inform the cops that I was going to do it.
Either way this is utter nonsense and I find it hard to believe that they are actually gonna attempt to prosecute you.
Read the Motion to Quash Sam wrote. It's in there.
Just remember that they suspend their own rules for themselves with a shrugged "YesbutwhenIdoitit'sdifferent." I'd long suspected they'd find some way to force a parole violation. Ian's only course of action now may be to learn to play "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" on the harmonica . . .
my video on this appears to have been picked up by some big website or something. it's jumped from 1000 to 4000 hits in one night.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on January 17, 2009, 11:49 AM NHFT
my video on this appears to have been picked up by some big website or something. it's jumped from 1000 to 4000 hits in one night.
I liked it
Quote from: rancemuhamitz on January 16, 2009, 04:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 16, 2009, 03:42 PM NHFT
OTN's Sam (http://obscuredtruth.com) "Motion to Quash" (.PDF) (http://freekeene.com/files/2009-01-16_Motion_to_Quash.pdf)
Brilliant!! It's going to take me a while to recover after reading that!
Well done.
i read the first page and found sam's arguments compelling even tho I have doubts about playing the legal game.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on January 18, 2009, 10:38 PM NHFT
i read the first page and found sam's arguments compelling even tho I have doubts about playing the legal game.
I think Ian has pretty much agreed to play the legal game by taking the suspended sentence offer made by Burke.
By the way Slim, Judge Burke wants to see you about your avatar.
Quote from: slim on January 18, 2009, 10:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on January 18, 2009, 10:38 PM NHFT
i read the first page and found sam's arguments compelling even tho I have doubts about playing the legal game.
I think Ian has pretty much agreed to play the legal game by taking the suspended sentence offer made by Burke.
I never signed anything, but I did tell Burke I'l play by their system. Clearly if I don't, they put me in a cell. Your mileage may vary.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 19, 2009, 01:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: slim on January 18, 2009, 10:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on January 18, 2009, 10:38 PM NHFT
i read the first page and found sam's arguments compelling even tho I have doubts about playing the legal game.
I think Ian has pretty much agreed to play the legal game by taking the suspended sentence offer made by Burke.
I never signed anything, but I did tell Burke I'l play by their system. Clearly if I don't, they put me in a cell. Your mileage may vary.
I did not mean to infer that you signed any documents that would require you to follow all of their rules but as much as I know you did give your word that you will play their game (by being a good boy) until the suspended sentence is complete.
I do think that sticking by your word shows clearly that you are a honorable man.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 18, 2009, 11:10 PM NHFT
By the way Slim, Judge Burke wants to see you about your avatar.
From what I know about Burke I would not accept a meeting with him. He has shown that he can be temporally insane and has thugs with guns that are willing to do whatever he says.
This comes from a person who is not a anarchist (free marketeer/anarcho capitalist).
Keene Sentinel Letter to the Editor Friday, January 23, 2009
Double standard on laws
As an outside observer, it seems that the city of Keene has a split personality.
I am pleased that Keene celebrates Martin Luther King Day as a holiday. The same Dr. King who in a letter from a Birmingham jail wrote:
"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law."
Dr. King's promotion of lawbreaking as a step toward law changing was central to the civil rights movement and should be celebrated along with the man.
But the city of Keene does not deem that this quote of Dr. King is to be protected.
You see, Keene has served a "motion to show cause" to a local man for promoting ideas very similar to that of Dr. King.
The official motion accuses this man of sending out a press release about an act of civil disobedience, interviewing one who committed civil disobedience on his talk show, being in the police department while one who committed civil disobedience was being booked, taking and appearing in videos.
The logic of this motion would also apply to Dr. King. I have presented one of his many quotes that promote law-breaking.
Should this person's promotion of lawbreaking be treated any different? Should the city of Keene treat Dr. King as a hero. or should Keene treat him as a criminal for promoting breaking unjust laws?
DARREN TAPP
163 Transcript Ave., No. 18
Lexington, Ky, 40508
Rock on! That from KENTUCKY? Whoda thunkit?
Awesome. 8)
Thanks, Lauren!
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on January 26, 2009, 06:55 PM NHFT
Keene Sentinel Letter to the Editor Friday, January 23, 2009
Double standard on laws
As an outside observer, it seems that the city of Keene has a split personality.
I am pleased that Keene celebrates Martin Luther King Day as a holiday. The same Dr. King who in a letter from a Birmingham jail wrote:
"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law."
Dr. King's promotion of lawbreaking as a step toward law changing was central to the civil rights movement and should be celebrated along with the man.
But the city of Keene does not deem that this quote of Dr. King is to be protected.
You see, Keene has served a "motion to show cause" to a local man for promoting ideas very similar to that of Dr. King.
The official motion accuses this man of sending out a press release about an act of civil disobedience, interviewing one who committed civil disobedience on his talk show, being in the police department while one who committed civil disobedience was being booked, taking and appearing in videos.
The logic of this motion would also apply to Dr. King. I have presented one of his many quotes that promote law-breaking.
Should this person's promotion of lawbreaking be treated any different? Should the city of Keene treat Dr. King as a hero. or should Keene treat him as a criminal for promoting breaking unjust laws?
DARREN TAPP
163 Transcript Ave., No. 18
Lexington, Ky, 40508
SILENCE ! Do not confuse the issue with facts!! ;D
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on January 26, 2009, 06:55 PM NHFT
Keene Sentinel Letter to the Editor Friday, January 23, 2009
Dr. King is a recognized Hero, and long dead, so its widely accepted to honor him, and zero chance that he makes any trouble these days.
Maybe they think that the laws back than were really really unjust, while those today are justified. (otherwise they wouldn't be laws anymore, would they?)
Nice letter, maybe it tickles the beast a bit and it has to sneeze.
Martin
Just wait till they declare FTL a terrorist organisation .I know the guys can talk underwater but can Mark and Ian do their show while being waterboarded?
If I amp ftl from a country that can arrest you for funding a terrorist organisation will i get a visit from the thugs?
This might seem extreme but the mere fact they are ignoring the 1st ammendment shows how putrid and rotten their morals are.I am totally disgusted watching this from foreign shores.This is proving how the salem witch trials were not unique.