I've started organizing the first
PiMP My Activism (http://pimpmyactivism.info)seminar. PMP stands for "Practice Makes Perfect," and our goal will be to practice activism to perfect/improve our real-life performances. This is the realization of the role-playing idea (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16676.msg280014#msg280014) I had.
Please check out the website (http://pimpmyactivism.info) for details. I'll update it continually as information changes, but since I've just thrown up a simple, static web page for now, we should use this forum thread to discuss and plan the event.
The residents of the Animal Farm in Grafton have graciously volunteered their house for a location, and I will be providing lunch for the event. I know Grafton is a little far for some of you, but hopefully the free food will entice you into coming if the activism practice doesn't. :) Also, it's gorgeous there!
Please post here or PM or email me if you're interested in attending.
Which of the following dates work best for you?
- Saturday, February 14
- Sunday, February 15
- Saturday, February 21
- Sunday, February 22
- Saturday, February 28
- Sunday, March 1
Thanks for your interest!
Note: Feb. 21st was chosen. KK
Saturday, February 21 is good with me.
i'd love to see something like this at the liberty forum
to practice dealing with cops especially
I wanted to host one seminar before the Liberty Forum so that if we also held a session at the Liberty Forum I'd know what I was doing a little bit - I'd have one seminar under my belt. However, I don't know how far in advance the Liberty Forum planners need a commitment, and I don't know if there's a fee to have a session/booth/room/whatever.
Feel free to take the ball and roll with this, or to help me with it when I'm ready.
I agree, though, that it would be awesome to have a 30- or 60-minute session of liberty-activism role-playing at the Liberty Forum where participants (people potentially considering moving to NH) could participate. Also, we could have a bunch of sessions at PorcFest 09.
Awesome, Mike! Thanks for picking up the ball on this one. I will definitely make an appearance at some of these. All dates work for me as I'm still unemployed. Also, I would be happy to help out with any preparations.
PiMP My Activism, nice idea Mike.
Sort of along the same theater lines Lloyd and I were discussing something similar just yesterday except we had a vision of "The Grafton Players" . A yet to be formed play acting group that would bring out the actor in activists / liberty loving folks. We figured Grafton doesn't have a movie theater so we'd do satirical (comedy?) plays that "educate the masses" about freedom etc.
Having solved that problem we went onto world peace and by the end of our ride I think we had solved world hunger too... oh wait a minute we just stopped and got something to eat...never mind. ;D
I think the acting, theater type things could be a powerful attractor for people.
Entertainment gets people to relax their resistance and open to accepting things. Satire can be a powerful weapon to lampoon.
cool idea :D
Kellie, is Ryan interested in coming? Free Libertarian and Tom Sawyer, are you?
Brad Jardis, as y'all probably know, is a cop in Epping, NH who is friendly to the liberty movement. I have not met him in person, so I will not vouch for him, but some people I do trust have spoken highly of him.
I communicated with him tonight about PiMP My Activism and he would love to participate. He said:
QuoteI would be more than happy to help people learn how to better interact with my species!
...
It would be benefitial for both the liberty movement crowd and police! I'd be happy to do it!
What do y'all think about having Brad, a current cop, attend and participate? I think it should be unanimous:
everyone attending should be alright with Brad attending, otherwise I won't invite him. Feel free to PM me your responses instead of posting them here. I am not asking for reasons; a simple "yes, let him attend" or "no, don't let him attend" is adequate.
It is also possible that, if we don't invite him to this first PiMP MY Activism seminar, we could invite him to future ones, like perhaps at the Liberty Forum (if we have a session there).
So far, the only date requested is Saturday, February 21. Does that work for everyone?
brad's reputation is pretty golden around the liberty movement in new hampshire.... obviously some of the outside-the-system folks want him to quit tho.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 20, 2009, 09:30 PM NHFT
Kellie, is Ryan interested in coming? Free Libertarian and Tom Sawyer, are you?
I am unable to attend your event Mike. Thanks for asking and planning this.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 19, 2009, 06:57 PM NHFT
The residents of the Animal Farm in Grafton have graciously volunteered their house for a location, and I will be providing lunch for the event.
Watcha providing for lunch? Huh? Huh? Pizza and cookies from the Grafton Store? ;D
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 19, 2009, 06:57 PM NHFT
Which of the following dates work best for you?
- Saturday, February 14
- Sunday, February 15
- Saturday, February 21
- Sunday, February 22
- Saturday, February 28
- Sunday, March 1
Saturday 2/14 is the end of the Snofa contest, just FYI. Also, for all of us romantic types, it happens to be Valentine's Day. :love1: Whoo hoo, PiMPing our love!
So far, all those dates are good for me. But I'll more than likely be going to Mass one or the other of the last two weekends.
Sorry, don't want Brad Jarvis in my house.
To elaborate:
Quote from: highline on May 31, 2008, 04:41 PM NHFT
If I caught Russell driving under suspension but was privately certified - indeed I would arrest him. If I caught him smoking a joint - indeed I would arrest him for that.
This just isn't the sort of person you invite into polite company.
I'd wager money he wouldn't do as he claims in that post, but I wouldn't want him in my house either. Not until that badge is no longer his.
I'll definitely attend the one at the Liberty Forum.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on January 21, 2009, 06:25 AM NHFT
I'd wager money he wouldn't do as he claims in that post, but I wouldn't want him in my house either. Not until that badge is no longer his.
Nor would he be welcome to Keene poker night. oh well...
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 19, 2009, 07:41 PM NHFT
I wanted to host one seminar before the Liberty Forum so that if we also held a session at the Liberty Forum I'd know what I was doing a little bit - I'd have one seminar under my belt. However, I don't know how far in advance the Liberty Forum planners need a commitment, and I don't know if there's a fee to have a session/booth/room/whatever.
The Liberty Forum schedule is worked out months in advance. If you're serious about this, you should contact Dreepa ASAP.
Quote from: Friday on January 21, 2009, 06:49 AM NHFT
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 19, 2009, 07:41 PM NHFT
I wanted to host one seminar before the Liberty Forum so that if we also held a session at the Liberty Forum I'd know what I was doing a little bit - I'd have one seminar under my belt. However, I don't know how far in advance the Liberty Forum planners need a commitment, and I don't know if there's a fee to have a session/booth/room/whatever.
The Liberty Forum schedule is worked out months in advance. If you're serious about this, you should contact Dreepa ASAP.
I thought it might be, but I thought it might be easy to simply add another session on short notice. I don't want to contact Dreepa until I'm sure this event will be popular or will even be worth doing. Hell, I may not even be around during the Liberty Forum and I don't want to commit to something under those conditions. If we miss it, no big deal: we can do it next time. Thanks for the info.
Jack might be doing Alt-Expo, which has a more flexible schedule.
Quote from: Libertine on January 21, 2009, 01:03 AM NHFT
Watcha providing for lunch? Huh? Huh? Pizza and cookies from the Grafton Store? ;D
Probably Raw pizza and cookies from the kitchen.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 21, 2009, 08:45 AM NHFT
Jack might be doing Alt-Expo, which has a more flexible schedule.
Good idea.
Quote from: Libertine on January 21, 2009, 01:03 AM NHFT
Watcha providing for lunch? Huh? Huh? Pizza and cookies from the Grafton Store? ;D
Doh! You ruined my culinary surprise! Actually, I was considering getting food from Ivy's Spice of Life, but I don't know yet.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 20, 2009, 11:54 PM NHFT
I am unable to attend your event Mike. Thanks for asking and planning this.
Bummer. I'd have loved to see you on both sides of the role-playing! If we do another one sometime, I hope you'll be able to participate. Maybe we'll do the next one closer to you. :)
*The tail end of the pull over experience*
Cop: I'm just going to issue you a warning this time.
You: (Thank goodness, maybe this guy isn't so bad after all)
Cop: Do you have any drugs, weapons or large sums of currency in your vehicle?
You: No
(*fear* I know I have something to hide.)
Cop: So you wouldn't object to a search, would you?
You: (Well, he has not been really aggressive, maybe if I go along he'll just do a quick look see around the drivers area... don't want to get him mad at me, could lead him to finding my contraband.)
Cop: It is for my and your safety, you understand.
You: Well, I don't know.
Cop: If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem. Look I don't want to make this hard on you, but I can you know.
You: Ok.
By now another cruiser shows up with a K-9 and they tell you to sit over to the side out of the way. Proceeding to completely comb the car, including the trunk.
Cop: Well, what do we have here. Put your hands on the hood of the car, you are under arrest.
You: :'(
Good script (for a horribly evil scenario). Maybe we'll practice it.
I'd try to make Feb 21 if that's the day. Concerning a cop being there, never met him so I can't comment on him personally. Maybe he's a nice guy and all that but does he know the super secret password? Rules are rules. The secret password rule is inviolate right? Would he agree to be blindfolded and strip searched before entering the confines of the secret lair? You know, for his own good? ;D
brad the copper needs to stick to copper events where noone can trust each other not an event on how to make his job harder. tell him find his own kind. cop lovers not me!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on January 21, 2009, 09:38 AM NHFT
Quote from: Libertine on January 21, 2009, 01:03 AM NHFT
Watcha providing for lunch? Huh? Huh? Pizza and cookies from the Grafton Store? ;D
Probably Raw pizza and cookies from the kitchen.
Barskey doesn't eat raw, Lloyd! Poor thing, when he comes here he has to bring all his junk food with him, or scoot over to the Grafton Store to get his fix. ;D
Quote from: Libertine on January 22, 2009, 10:07 AM NHFT
Barskey doesn't eat raw, Lloyd! Poor thing, when he comes here he has to bring all his junk food with him, or scoot over to the Grafton Store to get his fix. ;D
You make it sound like I
need junk food. I don't! I can quit any time I want to. I just don't wanna. :)
All the votes are in. I'm sorry Brad, but it wasn't unanimous: we don't want you to participate. Maybe next time (if this event is popular enough for there to be a next time). Thanks for volunteering, though.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 22, 2009, 10:21 AM NHFT
You make it sound like I need junk food. I don't! I can quit any time I want to. I just don't wanna. :)
It's easy to quit junk food, Mike. I've quit lots of times!
Only a few people have suggested dates, and they both liked Saturday, February 21. So let's make that the official date.
Is anyone else interested in participating - in practicing talking to cops and judges under stressful situations?
I'd started making notes for just this sort of a project, but had not the slightest idea how to organize it. I'll be there, deadlines and transportation opportunities permitting.
I'd love to participate. Any weekend is fine.
(Sorry I didn't see this post earlier)
Maybe Mike needed to pimp this thread some more :D
Good news, Sam and Ryan.
And, Kat, you're almost certainly right. But I'm new to pimpin'. Anyone have suggestions to get the word out?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 26, 2009, 11:52 AM NHFT
Maybe Mike needed to pimp this thread some more :D
Or pimp his
threadsMike have you considered a wardrobe change... worked wonders for Kramer.;D
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Pimp.jpg)
it's too bad Mr. Jardis has a shiny piece of tin on his chest, from what I've heard of him he seems like a nice guy. However, I didn't attend Porcfest because I was told that any 'liberty loving' police would arrest me if I smoked marijuana in front of them. I could have gone to the Tent and got obliterated (I don't drink). . . but those doobies are just not allowed.
it's too bad, it would be nice to get an 'insiders' perspective into what thugs might do. Unfortunately, it's not a chance I'd like to take to see first hand what a thug might do. No offense intended of course.
Libertine here (using Barskey's log-in)
That is tooo funny, Tom!! I'm going to use that picture for his Salsacado label! Can you send me a high-res version of that? Only if it's not too much trouble. ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 26, 2009, 01:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 26, 2009, 11:52 AM NHFT
Maybe Mike needed to pimp this thread some more :D
Or pimp his threads
Mike have you considered a wardrobe change... worked wonders for Kramer.;D
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Pimp.jpg)
That is hilarious! :D
Hey Libertine, Becky here (using Tom's log-in),
Unfortunately, he doesn't have a high resolution version of the "Liberty Pimp", he was limited by the source material. :D
... he's a bad mutha... shut yo' mouth... we're talkin' about Barskey... and we can dig it... ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 26, 2009, 01:50 PM NHFT
... he's a bad mutha... shut yo' mouth... we're talkin' about Barskey... and we can dig it... ;D
You're daaaammnnnnn right! :)
That outfit is just sooooooo Barskey ;D
Quote from: AntonLee on January 26, 2009, 01:21 PM NHFT
it's too bad Mr. Jardis has a shiny piece of tin on his chest, from what I've heard of him he seems like a nice guy. However, I didn't attend Porcfest because I was told that any 'liberty loving' police would arrest me if I smoked marijuana in front of them. I could have gone to the Tent and got obliterated (I don't drink). . . but those doobies are just not allowed.
it's too bad, it would be nice to get an 'insiders' perspective into what thugs might do. Unfortunately, it's not a chance I'd like to take to see first hand what a thug might do. No offense intended of course.
Back on topic... sort of...
Anton you need to go about this stuff in the right order... invest 20 years of the good fight to change the laws, then you won't be kidnapped for enjoying a few moments of serenity. Of course maybe the powers that be will do just what they have been doing and lie, cheat and prevent the democratic process from achieving the results they do not want. And folks like Mr. Jardis will continue to do their job and be an enforcer for these same morally bankrupt monsters. Right now as we speak someone is being processed through the system for not harming anyone, including arguably themselves.
I could invest 20 years, and monkeys might fly outta my butt!
;D
I hear ya, I'm just saying it's too bad that a cop that loves liberty wouldn't come out and say "I'm just not going to arrest people for this, period."
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 26, 2009, 01:09 PM NHFT
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/Pimp.jpg)
Oh, Tom. If only you would use your powers for good instead of silly. ;)
sometimes silly = good. :)
Quote from: AntonLee on January 26, 2009, 01:21 PM NHFT
it's too bad, it would be nice to get an 'insiders' perspective into what thugs might do.
you will experience it firsthand sometime soon. You can also just ask them, but they might just lie.
Quote from: AntonLee on January 26, 2009, 03:31 PM NHFT
I hear ya, I'm just saying it's too bad that a cop that loves liberty wouldn't come out and say "I'm just not going to arrest people for this, period."
maybe because he doesn't love your liberty
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 26, 2009, 01:50 PM NHFT
Hey Libertine, Becky here (using Tom's log-in),
Unfortunately, he doesn't have a high resolution version of the "Liberty Pimp", he was limited by the source material. :D
... he's a bad mutha... shut yo' mouth... we're talkin' about Barskey... and we can dig it... ;D
Alright, logged in as myself now. Becky and Tom, you're the best! Do you mind if I use this photo?
(even I recognized the old Shaft song, nice!)
Of course. :)
Thanks! ;D
This sounds like a very good event. I'd love to attend a future seminar at Porcfest, someone's house or anywhere other then Grafton in the worst part of winter.
what's the difference between Grafton and Seabrook in the worst part of winter? Right now, it looks pretty crappy out to me even here.
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on January 28, 2009, 12:19 PM NHFT
This sounds like a very good event. I'd love to attend a future seminar at Porcfest, someone's house or anywhere other then Grafton in the worst part of winter.
Well, all I've got to say is that from where I'm sitting, Grafton at this time of year is exquisitely beautiful!
You'll be missing out, and might wind up with a new set of pictures drawn on your face. >:D
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on January 28, 2009, 12:19 PM NHFT
This sounds like a very good event. I'd love to attend a future seminar at Porcfest, someone's house or anywhere other then Grafton in the worst part of winter.
Wimp :P
Quote from: AntonLee on January 28, 2009, 01:13 PM NHFT
what's the difference between Grafton and Seabrook in the worst part of winter? Right now, it looks pretty crappy out to me even here.
A 2 hours drive which is partially over steep unpaved roads that I've had trouble with in the past.
If you actually follow the directions we give out, there are no steep roads, and only less than one mile of unpaved road.
The PiMP Wimp.
Wimp and Stuff. :)
I'm going to attend Stuffmeister (of course I haven't really asked permission or anything, so if this is not cool someone can pm me). . . if you're interested in going I'd be willing to haul you up there. Hence you won't have to drive uphill both ways in 6 feet of snow. . . but if we get stuck somewhere you might have to push. I promise not to drive Masshole style. . . at least when we get out in the boonies.
Glad you're coming, Anton! I hope you come, too, Stuff.
Oh, hey, yeah, Sign Me Up for this event. I'll bring drinks for props when we do open container role-playing :)
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on January 28, 2009, 03:43 PM NHFT
Oh, hey, yeah, Sign Me Up for this event. I'll bring drinks for props when we do open container role-playing :)
No need, Stuffing! I've got a bunch of six-packs of my first batch of brew that I need disposed of. We can actually drink the beer and then have real open containers!
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on January 28, 2009, 12:19 PM NHFT
This sounds like a very good event. I'd love to attend a future seminar at Porcfest, someone's house or anywhere other then Grafton in the worst part of winter.
Hey, It's the "Live, freeze, or die" state, what did you expect . . . ?
I'll go if I can get a ride with Barskey, or someone with better tires than mine.
Awesome idea, btw ;D
In case anyone wants to pretend to be Barry Cooper, I'll bring his Never Get Busted Again Vol 1 DVD.
you have those? I never have seen it
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 22, 2009, 10:21 AM NHFT
Quote from: Libertine on January 22, 2009, 10:07 AM NHFT
Barskey doesn't eat raw, Lloyd! Poor thing, when he comes here he has to bring all his junk food with him, or scoot over to the Grafton Store to get his fix. ;D
You make it sound like I need junk food. I don't! I can quit any time I want to. I just don't wanna. :)
;) The Grafton store has all we
need want, Mike. :crazy3:
Quote from: AntonLee on January 29, 2009, 05:13 PM NHFT
you have those? I never have seen it
I'll let you hold on to it after the PiMPing is done.
Quote from: Radical and Stuff on January 28, 2009, 12:19 PM NHFTor anywhere other then Grafton in the worst part of winter.
Grafton is not for all. Freedom is just sometimes too very cold and lonely.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 21, 2009, 04:27 AM NHFT
Sorry, don't want Brad Jarvis in my house.
I also live here (at the Hoyt/Freedom Family Farm) and I think that Kat has this right. No need for cops/troublemakers in our house. Thanks Kat, I agree!
Are fat trouble making SOB'S from NY welcome?
Only those that love bacon, so I'm afraid you don't qualify. Unless, that is, you have some evidence that you love bacon.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 09, 2009, 10:23 PM NHFT
Only those that love bacon, so I'm afraid you don't qualify. Unless, that is, you have some evidence that you love bacon.
Evidence! Shit I'M 80 percent bacon. ;D
Quote from: Pat K on February 09, 2009, 10:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 09, 2009, 10:23 PM NHFT
Only those that love bacon, so I'm afraid you don't qualify. Unless, that is, you have some evidence that you love bacon.
Evidence! Shit I'M 80 percent bacon. ;D
Well, then you can participate in 80% of the PiMP activities. :) Kidding, of course. I look forward to seeing you!
february is when we separate the men from the boys from 10ec
but I understand ... I don't drive to the seacoast even in good weather
is the bacon going to be cooked or is this one of those raw things you people do. ;D
Quote from: Pat K on February 09, 2009, 10:20 PM NHFT
Are fat trouble making SOB'S from NY welcome?
Are you referring to the NYPD? ;D No, our house is too small and it would only crowd out the nice people. :o
However, if you are referring to non-cop, fat-troublemaking-boilermen then we can surely/happily fit at least one. I look forward to seeing you again Pat.
Quote from: John on February 10, 2009, 01:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on February 09, 2009, 10:20 PM NHFT
Are fat trouble making SOB'S from NY welcome?
Are you referring to the NYPD? ;D No, our house is too small and it would only crowd out the nice people. :o
However, if you are referring to non-cop, fat-troublemaking-boilermen then we can surely/happily fit at least one. I look forward to seeing you again Pat.
I second this! I'd so enjoy you coming up Pat K!
Quote from: AntonLee on February 10, 2009, 04:28 AM NHFT
is the bacon going to be cooked or is this one of those raw things you people do. ;D
And to prove it, I'll even cook you some bacon!! :Bacon_by_danniep:
(https://home.comcast.net/~tb4y/images/dietcoke_bacon.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u311/Leorickwow/Bacon.jpg)
(http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-dog-pictures-dog-sees-bacon-when-he-closes-his-eyes.jpg)
Bring it, Anton!!
Quote from: John on February 10, 2009, 01:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on February 09, 2009, 10:20 PM NHFT
Are fat trouble making SOB'S from NY welcome?
Are you referring to the NYPD? ;D No, our house is too small and it would only crowd out the nice people. :o
However, if you are referring to non-cop, fat-troublemaking-boilermen then we can surely/happily fit at least one. I look forward to seeing you again Pat.
NYPD? You must mean New Yorks Paddy's Day. ;D
I am gonna see if I can get up there.
I would say I missed you all, if I wasn't such a
manly bastard.
Quote from: Pat K on February 10, 2009, 03:33 PM NHFTI would say I missed you all, if I wasn't such a manly bastard.
I'll say it for you then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8pWCoqxvrA&feature=related
PatK is coming? YEAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
PatK is not able to come. :'(
:crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2:
:crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2:
Bummer, Pat. Hope to see you next time, or at another event (Liberty Forum?).
Quote from: Libertine on February 16, 2009, 04:19 PM NHFT
:crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2:
Copy-crybaby :P
Was that copy tit-for-tat??
Crud, Pat K is the biggest, loudest guy we have. He could do some wicked intimidation examples.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 16, 2009, 04:46 PM NHFT
Was that copy tit-for-tat??
I think we're edging over a line here . . . ;D
I know how wonderful one is, but, what the Hell is 'tat'?
'tat' is on third base, I think.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 16, 2009, 05:48 PM NHFT
I know how wonderful one is, but, what the Hell is 'tat'?
I immediately thought of "Puddy-tat!"
Quote from: Pat K on February 16, 2009, 06:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: Libertine on February 16, 2009, 05:57 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 16, 2009, 05:48 PM NHFT
I know how wonderful one is, but, what the Hell is 'tat'?
I immediately thought of "Puddy-tat!"
Uh....one of the few times I think you missed the mark, Pat K! I don't want to have to spell this out here, but . . . puddy . . . ;D
btw ..... noone here is actually crying PatK
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 17, 2009, 08:30 AM NHFT
btw ..... noone here is actually crying PatK
Wow! Even after being stuck around you all winter?
Well I knew they were tough folk.
All of the recent comments have been very titilating but I have a question. Is this event still 2/21
around 1:00 pm ish? Sorry as I get older I seem to be suffering some mammary loss. :P
Quote from: Free libertarian on February 18, 2009, 08:21 AM NHFT
All of the recent comments have been very titilating but I have a question. Is this event still 2/21
around 1:00 pm ish? Sorry as I get older I seem to be suffering some mammary loss. :P
Almost. Bring your mammaries on Sat, Feb. 21 at 10:00a. We'll go until about 2:00p, I think, and lunch will be provided.
how long does it take to get there from the Seacoast?
Quote from: AntonLee on February 18, 2009, 12:51 PM NHFT
how long does it take to get there from the Seacoast?
About 2 hours. Here is a Google map from Seabrook.
I found my nazi hat.
excellent. now the question is: pants or no pants?
Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 20, 2009, 03:05 PM NHFT
excellent. now the question is: pants or no pants?
I'm sorry sir, but I'm
gonna have to ask you to leave your pants on!
you didn't hear? this PiMP session is all-nude.
Quote from: Ryan McGuire on February 20, 2009, 03:07 PM NHFT
I'm sorry sir, but I'm gonna have to ask you to leave your pants on!
That was supposed to sound like a cop. I was giving you a chance to start practicing early, Mike.
Anyway, I know the event is all nude, that's why I'm driving there with no clothes on in the first place. I figure I need the practice because a cop is bound to pull me over when he sees me.
See, that's why I need practice. I can't recognize a nude cop in a text-only forum, yet. :)
Just a reminder: don't try to get to Grafton via any route besides Rte. 4. Don't expect to use your cell phone when you get here to get directions - your cell phone ain't gonna work, baby.
Embassy of Heaven jail guide that I said I'd post of seminar attendees :)
http://goingtojail.embassyofheaven.com/
also some info on courts I haven't really looked at:
http://courts.embassyofheaven.com/
An interesting and entertaining event.
Free libertarian was a waaaaay convincing cop :o
Yeah. But mostly TV Cop ;D
Quote from: AntonLee on January 26, 2009, 01:21 PM NHFT
However, I didn't attend Porcfest because I was told that any 'liberty loving' police would arrest me if I smoked marijuana in front of them. I could have gone to the Tent and got obliterated (I don't drink). . . but those doobies are just not allowed.
Anton, doobies were smoked at PorcFest morning, noon and night. You should attend this year!
Yes! I hate to admit it, but, the kids smoked my ass under the table in the 'Tent' Saturday night.
Some older folk, kept asking during the day=
Whats that smell? I kept claiming it was
wild mint, that grows on the hill sides. ;D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on January 21, 2009, 08:45 AM NHFT
Jack might be doing Alt-Expo, which has a more flexible schedule.
Sorry, but I didn't catch this thread earlier - The AltExpo has a 3 room suite and we'd be open to the use of one of the rooms for this. PM me, Mike for details. We usually just ask for donations of the attenders as the rooms do cost us.
Also, I am waayyy behind on publicizing the AltExpo because of various things and I will be going to Texas next week for my brother's memorial service, so please talk up the AltExpo (and I'll get presenters list posted soon) and consider us in your partying plans, your room-crashing plans and your side sessions room needs! If someone has a topic and they need a space, we've got it. Plus we'll have a variety of A/V equipment available for presentations.
We'll have an open snack buffet, too, and just ask everyone bring something, go to the store and buy something or contribute cash so we can send someone to the store to buy something for snackin on.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 21, 2009, 05:28 PM NHFT
Free libertarian was a waaaaay convincing cop :o
Just doing my job maam ! ;D
See!!! :o
it went really well .... this will be perfect for altexpo this year
Barskey sounded like he wasn't going to Alt Expo. I could moderate the thing at Alt Expo for him, if he wants.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 22, 2009, 07:48 AM NHFT
Barskey sounded like he wasn't going to Alt Expo. I could moderate the thing at Alt Expo for him, if he wants.
That would be great, Kat. Just wondering if you or Russell would like to do any other talk. I loved Russell's "Welcome to the Shire" talk at Gunstock! It's tough for the organizer, tho - I never get to hear a complete talk... :(
I'm still giving thought to that idea of the sticker--permanent or temporary--that tells why the window cannot be rolled all the way down. Would a lawyer have to be consulted? Can it be phrased with enough brevity and simplicity that the average cop can understand it? Can I angle this so it can turn a profit . . . ?
I'll buy as many as I have car windows!
When can I get my shipment??
Jaqeboy, did you have in mind having a PiMP session on one day, or one on each day of the conference? Or multiple sessions per day? The most I am interested in moderating myself is once per day, and even that seems like a lot - maybe just one session on Friday and one on Saturday.
However, I don't have to be there. Kat said she's willing to moderate a session, and perhaps others are as well.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 23, 2009, 02:15 PM NHFT
Jaqeboy, did you have in mind having a PiMP session on one day, or one on each day of the conference? Or multiple sessions per day? The most I am interested in moderating myself is once per day, and even that seems like a lot - maybe just one session on Friday and one on Saturday.
However, I don't have to be there. Kat said she's willing to moderate a session, and perhaps others are as well.
Essentially, we offer a one hour segment for a quick intro session to any alternative-type topic - it's like speed-dating, only with freedom-related topics. Then, people can adjourn elsewhere for follow-on work. This year we have 3 rooms, so folks could use the 3rd room for longer follow-on sessions. That room will also be the video presentation room, and some other sessions are being held there. We'd entertain the one-hour session, then you're free to choose to do other work as available space permits - we'll try to firm up the schedule for the 3rd room, too. Tonight I'm going to work on the presenters' matrix. If you want to do a one-hour, just let me know what times you can't do it to give me the flexibility to fit you into one of a few time slots.
This is gonna be fun!
Here are some video "ads" I made from footage during the first PiMP session.
People who attended: Could you sum up how you felt about the seminar? Was it useful? Do you think it will help you in future interactions with the thugs? Did you have fun?
I had a lot of fun but will continue to feel each situation out act as pleasant as I can and try to drive away. Most of the time I get stopped in in Mass, anyway.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 27, 2009, 05:40 AM NHFT
I had a lot of fun but will continue to feel each situation out act as pleasant as I can and try to drive away. Most of the time I get stopped in in Mass, anyway.
I don't see how being pleasant, in order to drive away ... and Mass stops, don't fit with the seminar. Some people will want to practice those sorts of situations.
I thought the cops were very realistic ... meaning unsettling for most role players.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 27, 2009, 06:15 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 27, 2009, 05:40 AM NHFT
I had a lot of fun but will continue to feel each situation out act as pleasant as I can and try to drive away. Most of the time I get stopped in in Mass, anyway.
I don't see how being pleasant, in order to drive away ... and Mass stops, don't fit with the seminar. Some people will want to practice those sorts of situations.
Get a grip! I didn't tell you to stop!
He's got a nice grip! :D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 27, 2009, 05:13 AM NHFT
People who attended: Could you sum up how you felt about the seminar? Was it useful? Do you think it will help you in future interactions with the thugs? Did you have fun?
Thanks for the comments, Lloyd and Russell. :D Anyone else care to add something?
Thanks Mike. Sandwiches were thoughtful. I would have been a better cop if you'd have had a chocolate cruller there, but I made do with egg salad. ;D
Knowing what you hope to accomplish is a good thing. For instance maybe you simply want the interaction to end asap or there may be times when you will be more assertive with your rights or trying to prove a point. In cases that you envision yourself as a freedom fighter, the cop may simply see you as a royal pain in the ass and may act accordingly. Not every situation has the same elements therefore some of our "answers" are more like guidelines and you have to decide which ones to use depending on the variables. There are no pat answers.
It would be helpful to me to know what "legal triggers" the cop can invoke to claim probable cause or to detain the driver. A better general understanding of "the law" would help me to ask or answer questions from a cop. For instance how can we "legally" walk away or end an interaction? Which laws require us to answer questions or provide I.D. etc. Some of us may see things from a moral standpoint, yet we will be judged from a "legal" standpoint. Knowing the law wouldn't hurt and might come in handy if you are inclined to use their system against them. Knowing the law isn't the same as agreeing with the law.
Also it should be pointed out how cops phrase questions to gain your "consent". Body language and voice inflection are methods used to intimidate / coerce you.
This classic cop question catches alot of fish... "You don't have anything illegal in the car DO YOU? No? Then you DON'T MIND if I look in the back do you?" I'm curious which answer(s) to use here.
Damn, you're so pushy, Kat!! ;D I was going to wait until I got back from my walk, but here goes.
I thought it was very informative, and very helpful to observe the differences in responses. Free Libertarian was scary as a cop because he was so realistic. Tackle the World, and Facilitator to the Icon were also great as cops. Really, everyone who participated was just awesome. Geez, you'd almost think we'd all had real experience with this kind of thing. The critiquing was perfect as it allowed different viewpoints and suggestions to be discussed. Also, getting at the core, deciding what one's true intent in the situation was, made a difference is how each person handled their scene.
I really benefited from the question/answer portion that we engaged in with those that have gone to jail. Having at least some foreknowledge about the various situations I might find myself in some day took the edge off the fear of the unknown. Also, everyone's honesty about what they felt, fear, despair, etc., was very inspiring.
I think this was well worth the time and effort that everyone put in, and would appreciate doing it again. Kudos to Mike for putting this together, and mahalo for providing lunch for everyone as well.
Thanks for the replies :) I like that sense of completion from finishing a project, so was eager to get the article done now that I'm through procrastinating :blush:
Kat posted a link to the New England Nonviolent Trainers Network (http://www.nonviolencetraining.org/). There is a lot to read there, but I have found a lot of it to be helpful and thought-provoking.
A number of you might be especially interested in a section talking about nonviolent activists' experiences in jails (their site does not give an easy way to link directly to the article, so click the "Legal Issues" link on the left and then click the "Serving Time in Jail" link near the top of the page on the right).
I will also be posting a video soon of the questions and answers about jail experiences that occurred during PiMP.
Quote from: Free libertarian on February 27, 2009, 07:36 AM NHFT
Thanks Mike. Sandwiches were thoughtful. I would have been a better cop if you'd have had a chocolate cruller there, but I made do with egg salad. ;D
Knowing what you hope to accomplish is a good thing. For instance maybe you simply want the interaction to end asap or there may be times when you will be more assertive with your rights or trying to prove a point. In cases that you envision yourself as a freedom fighter, the cop may simply see you as a royal pain in the ass and may act accordingly. Not every situation has the same elements therefore some of our "answers" are more like guidelines and you have to decide which ones to use depending on the variables. There are no pat answers.
It would be helpful to me to know what "legal triggers" the cop can invoke to claim probable cause or to detain the driver. A better general understanding of "the law" would help me to ask or answer questions from a cop. For instance how can we "legally" walk away or end an interaction? Which laws require us to answer questions or provide I.D. etc. Some of us may see things from a moral standpoint, yet we will be judged from a "legal" standpoint. Knowing the law wouldn't hurt and might come in handy if you are inclined to use their system against them. Knowing the law isn't the same as agreeing with the law.
Also it should be pointed out how cops phrase questions to gain your "consent". Body language and voice inflection are methods used to intimidate / coerce you.
This classic cop question catches alot of fish... "You don't have anything illegal in the car DO YOU? No? Then you DON'T MIND if I look in the back do you?" I'm curious which answer(s) to use here.
I've always thought that the best answers to all of these questions were a variation of this:
"Let's see, I've got my lawyer's business card here - let me just call him and present the questions to him and I'll proceed according to his advice."
Then if you do call his office and there's no answer, just say, "gee, I can't really answer any questions until I speak to him. He really doesn't like it if I start on some legal thing without consulting him first, sorry."
Evan Nappen has a bright orange plastic wallet card with a "What to do if you're arrested" step-by-step basic advice guide on the back. I know you can pick those up at his office in Concord, 280 Pleasant Street, whether he's there or not. They'll give you a few, so you can distribute them to others.
Thanks to Kat and Russell for hosting.
Thanks to Mike for sandwiches.
Thanks to everyone else for participating.
I had a good time that was very instructive. :)
The real trick here is to be armed with as much knowledge of the law as possible, to be able to invoke it where needed, and then to develop an acute ability to "think on your feet." That last probably has more possible moves than a chess game, but there must be a way to teach the basics of it.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 27, 2009, 11:33 AM NHFT
Kat posted a link to the New England Nonviolent Trainers Network (http://www.nonviolencetraining.org/). There is a lot to read there, but I have found a lot of it to be helpful and thought-provoking.
A number of you might be especially interested in a section talking about nonviolent activists' experiences in jails (their site does not give an easy way to link directly to the article, so click the "Legal Issues" link on the left and then click the "Serving Time in Jail" link near the top of the page on the right).
I will also be posting a video soon of the questions and answers about jail experiences that occurred during PiMP.
BTW, you can show video at AltExpo - we'll have a dedicated computer for presentations, with a projector and screen. May have a setup for videos in a second room, too. Just email Dan@AltExpo.org to let him know what your needs are.
We thought about a segment at AltExpo that we'd call "Jail Tales" just so people could hear what it's like to be inside, in case that helps allay peoples' fears.
Practicing was really helpful, and everyone's comments even more so. I've been rehearsing in my brain ever since, but it's not quite the same. I need to keep practicing in real life and out loud, and so I look forward to the next PiMP seminar.
When it's warmer, I'd like to rehearse a real car scene. I'll play a cop next time, although it will be difficult because I hate to be a mean guy.
I don't think you could practice what you did out loud.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 27, 2009, 09:23 PM NHFT
I don't think you could practice what you did out loud.
Well, I wasn't completely silent, but I already mentioned that I took your guys' critiques under advisement. Next time I will practice articulating why I won't divulge information to the cop.
;D
After the first PiMP session on February 21, 2009, Lauren, Kat, Russell, and I talked about our experiences in jail so others could ask questions and, hopefully, be a little less afraid when/if they face jail in the future; the unknown is always scary.
Here's (http://www.vimeo.com/3419416) the "Jail Talk" video. It's about 30 minutes.
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on February 27, 2009, 12:15 PM NHFT
The real trick here is to be armed with as much knowledge of the law as possible, to be able to invoke it where needed, and then to develop an acute ability to "think on your feet." That last probably has more possible moves than a chess game, but there must be a way to teach the basics of it.
I completely disagree.
I am not interested in learning their language and using it.
I don't look at life as a chess match.
When you beat a cop in a debate ... they might just start hurting you. If you are lucky they will say they are "just doing their job"
it is funny to think of all the various responses our friends will give the cops in pullovers, courtrooms, in jail, and on the street .... they are not very comfortable.
Hey, PiMP My Activism folks. Help promote your own event AND the AltExpo in general. The latest schedule is posted at http://AltExpo.org - click on tab that says AltExpo#3.
It's an all volunteer, co-operatively created event, so please help promote it so we get lots of folks on board! Please post on other forums, send out emails to your lists, etc.
We're also giving you a web page on the site so you can post info on your segment, either before or after or long after the event. I'll send Mike and Kat the info on that.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on March 01, 2009, 09:41 AM NHFT
After the first PiMP session on February 21, 2009, Lauren, Kat, Russell, and I talked about our experiences in jail so others could ask questions and, hopefully, be a little less afraid when/if they face jail in the future; the unknown is always scary.
Here's (http://www.vimeo.com/3419416) the "Jail Talk" video. It's about 30 minutes.
Great video Mike, thanks.
PiMP My Activism has a new website (http://pimpmyactivism.info)! It's the same URL (PiMPMyActivism.info) but is completely redesigned. It's now functional instead of just static and informational.
The new site has a calendar to notify of future PiMP events. It also has categorized videos of PiMP scenes so those who were unable to participate in the PiMP session (as well as those who did participate!) can view the practice sessions. And each video has a threaded discussion so you can comment on the scene and discuss what went well and what might be done differently, just like we do at the live PiMP events. The site also has RSS and email notifications of new videos and/or comments.
I hope this spreads the benefits of practicing activism to people everywhere. The goals are to make the practice sessions available as an archive/resource, and to create another forum for discussing the practice sessions.