i have little info on this , anyone want to post something here?
10:30 on 2/25, Milford District Court
This was already on the calendar, BTW
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 21, 2009, 02:17 PM NHFT
10:30 on 2/25, Milford District Court
This was already on the calendar, BTW
it was but the thread appears to have been removed
Anyone else going from Keene?
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on February 21, 2009, 03:36 PM NHFT
Anyone else going from Keene?
>.>
I'd like to know this as well.
I'd hate to miss my own show.
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on February 21, 2009, 03:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on February 21, 2009, 03:36 PM NHFT
Anyone else going from Keene?
>.>
I'd like to know this as well.
I'd hate to miss my own show.
What does that even mean? (edit: oh, I guess it means you don't have a ride.)
This is one of the reasons I'm not going.
Jesse has been far from public about his plans and desire for support on the issue. It's not every else's job to pry for information.
Quote from: Coconut on February 21, 2009, 03:51 PM NHFT
What does that even mean? (edit: oh, I guess it means you don't have a ride.)
This is one of the reasons I'm not going.
Jesse has been far from public about his plans and desire for support on the issue. It's not every else's job to pry for information.
I'm OK with this. I don't expect anyone to offer me any support-- it's been made somewhat clear that my actions were questionable, and I am going out of my way to not associate you people with my actions.
SamARobrin said he'd like a ride from Keene, also.
Jim and I are taking the van. We can pick up 6 or 8 more people in Keene.
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on February 21, 2009, 04:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on February 21, 2009, 03:51 PM NHFT
What does that even mean? (edit: oh, I guess it means you don't have a ride.)
This is one of the reasons I'm not going.
Jesse has been far from public about his plans and desire for support on the issue. It's not every else's job to pry for information.
I'm OK with this. I don't expect anyone to offer me any support-- it's been made somewhat clear that my actions were questionable, and I am going out of my way to not associate you people with my actions.
Jesse, there will always be people who will disaggree with some detail of how you perform civ dis. Look through the archives and back pages on this forum and you will find where someone disagrees with some detail of what the person was doing, planned to do, etc, inevitably. If you are commiting nonviolent victimless civ dis, there will always be those that will support you, and those that do not. Guaranteed. You cannot let that dictate your actions. :)
Quote from: David on February 21, 2009, 09:50 PM NHFT
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on February 21, 2009, 04:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on February 21, 2009, 03:51 PM NHFT
What does that even mean? (edit: oh, I guess it means you don't have a ride.)
This is one of the reasons I'm not going.
Jesse has been far from public about his plans and desire for support on the issue. It's not every else's job to pry for information.
I'm OK with this. I don't expect anyone to offer me any support-- it's been made somewhat clear that my actions were questionable, and I am going out of my way to not associate you people with my actions.
Jesse, there will always be people who will disaggree with some detail of how you perform civ dis. Look through the archives and back pages on this forum and you will find where someone disagrees with some detail of what the person was doing, planned to do, etc, inevitably. If you are commiting nonviolent victimless civ dis, there will always be those that will support you, and those that do not. Guaranteed. You cannot let that dictate your actions. :)
Ian knows all about this. "Just move the couch" they said. But he was willing to publicly ride it to the end, no matter what people said. That's what got my respect and support on the issue.
>:( I had intended to go to this, but requested the 24th off instead of the 25th. Sorry guys.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on February 21, 2009, 07:02 PM NHFT
Jim and I are taking the van. We can pick up 6 or 8 more people in Keene.
I'd like to ride along.
Quote from: dalebert on February 22, 2009, 09:59 PM NHFT
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on February 21, 2009, 07:02 PM NHFT
Jim and I are taking the van. We can pick up 6 or 8 more people in Keene.
I'd like to ride along.
Me too. What time you getting to Keene?
I called the Milford clerk this morning and recorded the call. I told them I intended to record the trials and would be bringing a press pass this time and asked if I would encounter any more trouble.
She said she'd have to talk to the judge and that she'd call Wed. morning.
Call attached to this post, if you'd like to hear it.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on February 21, 2009, 07:02 PM NHFT
Jim and I are taking the van. We can pick up 6 or 8 more people in Keene.
Count me in!
this is for both Charlie and Jesse right?
So what are you guys gunna do?
Good job Ian.
Court phone answerers never know anything, however, she sounded more informed than any of the ladies I talk to in Keene.
[rant]
However, why the F do we have to answer so many minute questions about recording? It's not (shouldn't be) a case-by-case decision. Cameras are allowed, or not. When will this bullS hoop jumping end?
[/rant]
As for what they're doing, Russell, too bad nobody knows.
That was the clerk - she's in charge of the whole operation, so she's playing dumb.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 23, 2009, 05:17 PM NHFT
this is for both Charlie and Jesse right?
So what are you guys gunna do?
I can't speak for Charlie, but I'm going to go in dressed better than the prosecutor, take a seat, and play it by ear. Given that no statute actually exists for wearing a hat in court, they're going to have to let it go.
even if you dont want to associate with jesse for some reason remember charlie is on trial and charged for much less.... he is the big story here i think since he never even entered the courtroom.
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on February 24, 2009, 11:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 23, 2009, 05:17 PM NHFT
this is for both Charlie and Jesse right?
So what are you guys gunna do?
I can't speak for Charlie, but I'm going to go in dressed better than the prosecutor, take a seat, and play it by ear. Given that no statute actually exists for wearing a hat in court, they're going to have to let it go.
Proper attire is required via statute left up to the discretion of the judge as to what is proper (no hats) in their courtrooms.
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on February 24, 2009, 11:08 AM NHFT
I can't speak for Charlie, but I'm going to go in dressed better than the prosecutor, take a seat, and play it by ear. Given that no statute actually exists for wearing a hat in court, they're going to have to let it go.
will you have a fancy hat on? ;) what if he is in a tux?
It is also possible they will just want to drop it ... who knows.
Jesse,
Is that your angle, that there is no "law"?
Bizarre.
I thought you didn't respect the judge and so this was a form of protest.
That seems good enough and principled, right?
She would either "punish" you for not following her rules, or
punish you for not agreeing with her line of work, essentially.
Just a thought.
Quote from: cynthia on February 24, 2009, 02:07 PM NHFT
Jesse,
Is that your angle, that there is no "law"?
My angle will continue to be a moral one-- my point in regards to the "law" is that because no law exists, I doubt I'm facing a fine or jail time, so the worst that could happen is a slap on the wrist. I'll be polite and simply inform that I don't believe in honorifics or condone acts of subservience.
Also-- I have Bill Kaufman blocked. Did he say anything worth caring about, or was it more apologia for the State?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 24, 2009, 02:04 PM NHFT
will you have a fancy hat on? ;)
No. Pants, shoes, jacket, shirt, tie. Elegant and simplistic.
QuoteIt is also possible they will just want to drop it ... who knows.
I get the idea they want to-- they offered Charlie and I the option to plea "no contest" and just do "time served", which leads me to believe that they know none of this will stick.
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on February 24, 2009, 03:33 PM NHFT
Also-- I have Bill Kaufman blocked. Did he say anything worth caring about, or was it more apologia for the State?
how could it possibly be important? I live happily ignorant of most of his posts.
Thanks for reminding me to ignore him. 8)
QuoteI have Bill Kaufman blocked. Did he say anything worth caring about, or was it more apologia for the State?
I detest the state but see it as different than "local governance as legitimate, non-arbitrary, authority".
The van to Millford arrives in Keene at 9am.
Stopping at Sam A Robrin's place,
and at Ian's place,
and Dalebert's place.
It will be a full load.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on February 24, 2009, 10:33 PM NHFT
The van to Millford arrives in Keene at 9am.
Stopping at Sam A Robrin's place,
and at Ian's place,
and Dalebert's place.
It will be a full load.
(http://content.pyzam.com/funnypics/misc/free_candy_van.jpg)
Quote from: Pat K on February 24, 2009, 10:48 PM NHFT
(http://content.pyzam.com/funnypics/misc/free_candy_van.jpg)
Who's Candy, and what's she in jail for?
Quote from: Pat K on February 24, 2009, 10:48 PM NHFT
(http://content.pyzam.com/funnypics/misc/free_candy_van.jpg)
Hey! They didn't ask me for permission before taking a picture of my van!
jims is white with red lettering .... hop inside ... you might be the next one arrested
Dale ... can you wear the bowler hat and take it off in court out of respect for the victims?
The court just called to say that the judge will not allow cameras. I said I'd be showing up with one anyway and asked if they plan to deny me my right to freedom of the press. She didn't want to answer. Call attached.
All video cameras have been illegally barred from the courtroom. Get Dave Ridley's Live reports:
http://qik.com/videos/public_search?page=2&query=Ridleyreport
Quote from: Coconut on February 25, 2009, 10:32 AM NHFT
All video cameras have been illegally barred from the courtroom.
Another case of technology outwitting judges: who has a DSLR "still" camera and lots of storage? ;)
No porc411 or ridley videos for hours. They must really be dragging this thing out... or I've missed the news. Anyway instead of having to search like Dave talked about on the 411 you can go directly to Dave's qik channel @ http://qik.com/ridleyreport . Gotta love technology!
Wow, no one's posted what happened? Both were found guilty and sentenced to 1 day in jail, no fines. The one day was already 'time served' for their half day imprisonment.
The Milford prosecutor REALLY wanted to stay away from the slamming Charlie into the wall thing. He didn't even call that cop as a witness, and started objecting when Charlie brought it up.
Thanks for the update Kat. That's about as good of an outcome as could be expected I guess. I'm sure Ian will talk about it tonight, but he said on one of Dave's videos that he was contemplating calling the cops to file charges against the court for not allowing cameras. That would make for an interesting story.
We put 11 people in the van and successfully traveled from Keene to Milford and back. :)
The President said he had a great time. ;D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 25, 2009, 04:00 PM NHFT
Wow, no one's posted what happened? Both were found guilty and sentenced to 1 day in jail, no fines. The one day was already 'time served' for their half day imprisonment.
The Milford prosecutor REALLY wanted to stay away from the slamming Charlie into the wall thing. He didn't even call that cop as a witness, and started objecting when Charlie brought it up.
Thanks Kat.
Still in MI. Watched all the Ridleyos but didn't see the outcome.
What on earth did they find him "guilty" of? Wearing a hat? I really wish he'd have his freedoms back and that cop who beat him up lost his. Sorry, I just do. Poor guy. Poor everyone. I'm really pissed by this. No, I don't look at it as a good outcome. A LOT more could have been done by the ones claiming to be "public servants"... bastards.
"disorderly conduct"
do they allow still cameras in but not videocameras?
Quote from: AntonLee on February 25, 2009, 06:53 PM NHFT
do they allow still cameras in but not videocameras?
Only if you're not a wacko freestater.
The pres did indeed have a good time traveling with Big Daddy at the wheel of the Coyote Bus... :D
Very nice turnout at the court, with about 25 friendly people in attendance... I think the bailiffs must have had a OMFG moment when we just kept piling in... I found it very interesting that the question of whether or not to stand when the judge entered the Star Chamber was rendered moot because the judge was already in court, seated up on high when they let us in. I suppose the idea of having to arrest that many people for not standing just didn't sit too well with the powers that be. >:D
At one point, laughter erupted in the courtroom when one of the goobermint witnesses thugs (a retired DOC Masshole) testified that he had to handcuff Charlie to stop him from being a danger to himself and others... ::) I tell you, you just can't make this stuff up. Where do they find these clowns?
they don't like when you laugh at them huh?
The lack of an "all rise" moment could be due to the fact that this was a special justice, or whatever, and maybe not technically an 'honorable' bureaucrat. Not sure.
Just out of curiosity,
are the judges/magistrates elected by the people, or are they appointed by the local/county/state governments?
J...
(still living in NJ, must like the punishment)
Quote from: Becky Thatcher on February 25, 2009, 09:35 PM NHFT
The pres did indeed have a good time traveling with Big Daddy at the wheel of the Coyote Bus... :D
Very nice turnout at the court, with about 25 friendly people in attendance... I think the bailiffs must have had a OMFG moment when we just kept piling in... I found it very interesting that the question of whether or not to stand when the judge entered the Star Chamber was rendered moot because the judge was already in court, seated up on high when they let us in. I suppose the idea of having to arrest that many people for not standing just didn't sit too well with the powers that be. >:D
At one point, laughter erupted in the courtroom when one of the goobermint witnesses thugs (a retired DOC Masshole) testified that he had to handcuff Charlie to stop him from being a danger to himself and others... ::) I tell you, you just can't make this stuff up. Where do they find these clowns?
Good thing the Pres was there! Probably kept you from getting into trouble ;D
Quote from: Josh on February 26, 2009, 02:47 AM NHFT
The lack of an "all rise" moment could be due to the fact that this was a special justice, or whatever, and maybe not technically an 'honorable' bureaucrat.
Spoilsport!
I believe when we all left between the two trials, they did say all rise. We were all already getting up and leaving, so it wasn't real noticeable in all the commotion.
Quote from: Lumpy on February 25, 2009, 06:38 PM NHFT
I really wish he'd have his freedoms back and that cop who beat him up lost his. . . . I'm really pissed by this. No, I don't look at it as a good outcome.
Neither do I, and if I thought there was the barest chance of a court paying attention either to the truth or to justice, I'd suggest a false arrest suit.
The notes I was making refer to "
LOBBY TAPES!!!," and I'd like to see those if they could be subpoenaed, but I suspect it would end up like the scene in Woody Allen's
Bananas when the court clerk reads back the record.
Oh, it was amusing when Jesse called Dale to the stand. Dale had to explain what he did for a living. After the questions were done, the judge was all interested in Dale's comic strips :)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 26, 2009, 09:04 AM NHFT
Oh, it was amusing when Jesse called Dale to the stand. Dale had to explain what he did for a living. After the questions were done, the judge was all interested in Dale's comic strips :)
What questions did he ask?
Did he ask him about social contract theory?
The judge was seated when we entered, but when he called for a recess before Charlie's trial, a bailiff did say "rise please" instead of the more familiar, "all rise", and most of us pointedly stayed seated, myself included. That was the only opportunity to express our free speech in this manner, displaying honest lack of respect for a corrupt court system. When we returned, he was already seated. They handled it the same way at Mike's arraignment. Mrs. Crocker was already seated when we were called in and remained seated as we left. Very interesting. I think it was a protocol implemented specifically for dealing with us and our blasted free speech.
In case you haven't seen it, here (http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090226/NEWS01/302269848&disqus_reply=6672174) is the Nashua Telegraph article about the recent trials.
I have been having fun coming up with the captions to go along with the photos.
That is the horrible young man who terrified the court by not removing his hat!
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"I object... I'm not young! I'm an old 22!" Jesse Anarchist Lawyer
(http://nashuatelegraph.mycapture.com/PHOTOS/NSHU/699502/22447917E.jpg)
"I'm telling you, the 'Muffin Rage Defense' would have worked." Dalebert the Muffinman
(http://nashuatelegraph.mycapture.com/PHOTOS/NSHU/699502/22447926E.jpg)
"After the trial was over, Moloney explained that the moral reason was that he should have been allowed to keep the hat on since it wasn't hurting anyone."
Yeah! Jesse explains himself :D
;D
Quote from: Charlie on February 27, 2009, 01:55 PM NHFT
The whole incident was very self-empowering.
That is fantastic! You practiced for the real thing, then the real thing was practice for life. Excellent.
Thank you for your courage, Charlie!
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 27, 2009, 05:44 AM NHFT
"After the trial was over, Moloney explained that the moral reason was that he should have been allowed to keep the hat on since it wasn't hurting anyone."
Yeah! Jesse explains himself :D
That's what he's been saying the whole time.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 27, 2009, 03:19 AM NHFT
"I'm telling you, the 'Muffin Rage Defense' would have worked." Dalebert the Muffinman
(http://nashuatelegraph.mycapture.com/PHOTOS/NSHU/699502/22447926E.jpg)
If I keep smiling, I might score some free muffins