NEXT YEAR'S Burning Porcupine: Saturday July 17th - Sunday July 25th, 2010
Hopefully I will make it next year.
This house is giving me more trouble than I thought possible.
Plumbing/mold problems are driving me crazy and making me sick.
we really need the rain
ill be there, or square.
woot woot
nice full moon tonight ... looking forward to next year already
A couple people wrote saying they were showing up sometime July 17th-25th this year. While you can do that, and camp out, you'll be the only ones here besides us :D
So, what kind of events shall we have this year? Live porcpuine toss? ;)
Hmmm... You might want to start a new thread since there are so many posts that are actually associated with last year's and will inevitably confuse many people. Perhaps rename this thread to 2009. Just a thought. *shrug*
OK.
I'm dieting to prepare for my annual Naked Fire Dance.
is burning porcupine a *free* event, unlike lf or pfest which both suck me dry?
I think it was $5 a day.
Quote from: AntonLee on June 16, 2010, 06:27 AM NHFT
I think it was $5 a day.
yes that is the hoped for donation
Bob supplies the wonderful land and the port-a-johns
The residents provide the electricity, work, and a little bit of internet.
Last year we received enough donations to cover the additional expenses. :)
How about a big free market on Wednesday and Sunday on the highway?
We also talked about a nice tilting at windmills event on say ... thursday or something.
Saturday we could have our contests again.
Need live music? Wayne and I won't need to travel far to do our thing.
Quote from: Jared on June 15, 2010, 07:36 PM NHFT
is burning porcupine a *free* event, unlike lf or pfest which both suck me dry?
Porcfest sucked you dry? It seemed like an ultra-cheap vacation to me. This year reserve your campsite for next year at this year's PF. The rate was obscenely low. I think I paid maybe $70 for a week for one with electric and water. Registration is really cheap too, especially if you do early reg. If you bring a cooler of your own food, it should be an overall really inexpensive vacation. I even bought a tent at Walmart the first year and the cost of that was less than a hotel room for one night and I've been reusing it ever since.
he does have two kids and they're a busy couple.
Quote from: AntonLee on June 16, 2010, 10:16 AM NHFT
he does have two kids and they're a busy couple.
I think anything gets expensive when you have kids.
you are right though Dale, it was much less expensive of a vacation/camping than you could even get through a state park.
Yes, live music is needed.
Burning porc is free, except donations are nice for the showers and stuff.
Three attempts of the state to rob or kidnap people are happening near burning porc this year: Jim in Nashua on July 15; Maybe Anton in Laconia on the 22, maybe not; And Big Mike in Nashua on the 23rd. There may be a few outings to various courts and jails.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on June 16, 2010, 12:17 PM NHFT
Three attempts of the state to rob or kidnap people are happening near burning porc this year: Jim in Nashua on July 15; Maybe Anton in Laconia on the 22, maybe not; And Big Mike in Nashua on the 23rd. There may be a few outings to various courts and jails.
My (second, Nashua Superior court now..) arraignment should be sometime between July 15th and July 30th.
Yeah, between gas, food, registration, and campsite it gets pricey. Its actually looking like I'm going to have to sell my campsite because I don't think I can afford it.
Quote from: Jared on June 16, 2010, 02:36 PM NHFT
Yeah, between gas, food, registration, and campsite it gets pricey. Its actually looking like I'm going to have to sell my campsite because I don't think I can afford it.
Sounds like a financial management issue. Do you live in an inexpensive town with low rent? Do you have a land line phone? Do you have cable? Do you go to movies? Do you eat out? Do you drink out? Do you pay for a paper or magazine? Do you buy videogames? Do you buy CD or movies? When was the last time you tried to lower your auto insurance bill? Do you buy new clothes for your kids? Do you have any credit card debt? Do you have a 2nd job?
If you don't live on a budget and save more than you make every month, I highly recommend a basic money management book like Financial Peace Revisted by Dave Ramsey.
Sound advice from the guy on the government payroll. ::)
Also sounds like the wrong thread. Unless there are registration and campsite fees at burning porc now.
Quote from: Fluff and Stuff on June 16, 2010, 02:57 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jared on June 16, 2010, 02:36 PM NHFT
Yeah, between gas, food, registration, and campsite it gets pricey. Its actually looking like I'm going to have to sell my campsite because I don't think I can afford it.
Sounds like a financial management issue. Do you live in an inexpensive town with low rent? Do you have a land line phone? Do you have cable? Do you go to movies? Do you eat out? Do you drink out? Do you pay for a paper or magazine? Do you buy videogames? Do you buy CD or movies? When was the last time you tried to lower your auto insurance bill? Do you buy new clothes for your kids? Do you have any credit card debt? Do you have a 2nd job?
If you don't live on a budget and save more than you make every month, I highly recommend a basic money management book like Financial Peace Revisted by Dave Ramsey.
wow, keith. i really appreciate your fucking analyzing my finances. i have kids, i have bills, my wife and i are both in school and we don't make a lot of money. if i had to choose between porcfest and any of those other things you mentioned, i would choose porcfest. the fact is, porcfest costs more than i have to spend right now. maybe if my money wasn't being taken to pay the salaries of fucking census workers, then i would have enough to go.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on June 16, 2010, 03:43 PM NHFT
Also sounds like the wrong thread. Unless there are registration and campsite fees at burning porc now.
Do you want me to split Jared's post and the ones relating to it (like your's and this one) into a new thread?
I think it's only a $5 donation per night for Burning Porc going by what I read here recently.
Quote from: MTPorcupine3 on June 16, 2010, 07:05 AM NHFT
Need live music? Wayne and I won't need to travel far to do our thing.
of course .... you could even plan it :)
of course Jared is right ....... porcfest is kinda expensive .... it is cheaper than hotels, but more expensive than not going on vacation.
I think Lauren is right .... some of this might be on the wrong thread. You can discuss porcfest on its thread. :)
I don't think Keith meant anything derogatory towards you. What he said, to me, sounds like good advice. Practicality is the problem for many.
Quote from: AntonLee on June 16, 2010, 05:15 PM NHFT
I don't think Keith meant anything derogatory towards you. What he said, to me, sounds like good advice. Practicality is the problem for many.
and i, respectfully, disagree. i think he was being an asshole, and i find what he said pretty insulting. here i am very upset that i cannot attend porcfest, and he is trying to tell me that it must be my own fault because i must be spending my money unwisely. i don't think my spending habits are anyone's business but my own.
Quote from: Jared on June 16, 2010, 05:20 PM NHFTQuote from: AntonLee on June 16, 2010, 05:15 PM NHFTI don't think Keith meant anything derogatory towards you. What he said, to me, sounds like good advice. Practicality is the problem for many.
and i, respectfully, disagree. i think he was being an asshole, and i find what he said pretty insulting. here i am very upset that i cannot attend porcfest, and he is trying to tell me that it must be my own fault because i must be spending my money unwisely. i don't think my spending habits are anyone's business but my own.
Of course it's your fault.
You should just get a job working for Federal blood money. Then you'd be able to afford all sorts of things.
It's your own fault for having principles!
Joe
Looking forward to this since I didn't make PorcFest.
Cool :) Or, er, I hope it isn't cool, but rather warm and not rainy. Or, er, I mean Rainey is OK, but no precipitation.
Hey, do you have a website for this year's Burning Porcupine? I'm promoting it as one of the events on the AltOrgs tour on the AltExpo site, but all I've seen is the 2008 site. I can post a link to this thread, too, in case people want more info.
I'll have tents for rent for those wanting to come up who don't have camping gear.
this one works
http://burningporcupine.org/ (http://burningporcupine.org/)
and points to this thread
K, using that link for the Alt Orgs tour info - see that at the Altexpo.org home page (http://http//AltExpo.org) or hear more about it at the Shire Agorists meeting (http://fr33agents.ning.com/events/shire-agorists-get-down-to) this coming Saturday at Liberty Books.
one of the days i have to dress up and tlit at another giant in concord
Who is going to be around Tuesday and Wednesday? We are trying to see if we can come up (if Alec isn't working) and stay over Tuesday evening. Alec is interested in the Mt. Cardigan hike. I may go too if it is an easy on the knees hike.
i will be around :)
mt cardigan is not that easy on the knees coming down
i go very slow and we could take it easy if you want to
make alec take your food to the top :)
added AntonLee's trip to court and funspot on thursday's agenda
Alec as my Sherpa would be necessary for an enjoyable hike. :D
Going slowly would be a huge help on my knees.
I just can't keep up with people with good knees.
OK, I got a site going for the Alternatives Organizations tour: http://AltOrgs.com (http://altorgs.com).
I've got to add a details page for Burning Porcupine. Also, I'm making mini-stops on the tour to promote it, so maybe I'll create a page for those mini-tour stops.
See you up at BP, but not sure which day yet - depends on work...
Quote from: jaqeboy on July 05, 2010, 04:18 PM NHFT
K, using that link for the Alt Orgs tour info - see that at the Altexpo.org home page (http://http//AltExpo.org) or hear more about it at the Shire Agorists meeting (http://fr33agents.ning.com/events/shire-agorists-get-down-to) this coming Saturday at Liberty Books.
Annie's Kitchen will be making the evening meal each night.
Let Antigone know which meals you want. I have put my order in for each night. :)
Shannon will be selling food and such on Friday and Saturday next week.
How many people attended last year's Burning Porc?
30,000
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on July 15, 2010, 12:26 PM NHFT
30,000
Lloyd, I think the question was about people, not mosquitoes.
not very many ... maybe 30 at the most
Thanks Russell, I got the invite on Facebook, unfortunately I'm going to be out of town.
I'll be in Portland, OR between July 19 and 23 attending OSCON http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010 (http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010)
I'll be hanging out with Lilian most of the day tomorrow though while Ashley is in school so I'll try to drop by and then maybe the following weekend I'll be around.
It's ironic because I am physically moving closer and closer to Hoyt, now I'm within walking distance, but coming less and less to your events. :-\
It's almost like living in one of those big cities and never visiting the prominent landmarks because you figure you live there, you can do it some other time, and that other time never comes and eventually you move to a different place. Has that ever happened to anyone? Or is it just me?
yep
btw first out of town visitors have arrived
I will be up tomorrow ,don't use up all the fun. ;D
We were sitting around thinking that all that was missing was you
yep
but we are having fun
antigone prepared about 20 meals or so tonight
the campfire (too dry for a big fire today) is still going but it is time for bed for me .... a good group is chatting and enjoying Rich's music
in the lounge we have a magic game going on
we have about 5 tenters right now
hey lloyd ..... could we do the egg thing on tuesday? how much does it cost?
jim is talking about pancakes for thursday morning before we head to laconia
lightning in the north
[fingertolips]One Mill Billi TRILLION Dollars[/fingertolips]
http://welcometotheshire.com/?q=node/234 (http://welcometotheshire.com/?q=node/234)
picture i took a few days ago of a moose visitor .... had to take it through the screen
I saw a Bear on my way to Hoyt last night. I saw the back half leaping into the woods. I thought: "man in a Bear Suit' for just a second.
Live music happening now :) Spaghetti from Annie's kitchen coming up.
bummer I left too early! lol
Quote from: porcupine kate on July 14, 2010, 12:18 PM NHFT
Alec as my Sherpa would be necessary for an enjoyable hike. :D
Going slowly would be a huge help on my knees.
I just can't keep up with people with good knees.
We are not going to make the hike. We have activist type stuff getting in the way. I know poor planning on my part.
Alec and I are going to try and come up some time this weekend.
Kate
see ya
climbing up mountains isn't the most important thing in the world anyhow :)
chicken fried rice from Annie's tonight
tuesday morning is the egg fest with LLloyd
how about friday have a big kickball or softball game?
Friday 6pm: kickball, Grafton vs. all comers ;D
I am sorry to say that there will not be a breakfast prepared by me tomorrow morning. :(
I was planning on heading up Mt Kearsarge Friday morning, leaving about 8:00.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 21, 2010, 12:04 PM NHFT
I am sorry to say that there will not be a breakfast prepared by me tomorrow morning. :(
bummer
did you guys get washed out last night?
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 21, 2010, 12:04 PM NHFT
I am sorry to say that there will not be a breakfast prepared by me tomorrow morning. :(
I hope you guys didn't leave. I can't see your van right now, but you might be at Fun Spot or something.
The prez and I are hoping to come up tomorrow for a few days. We've got a pinata from his birthday that we never got a chance to whack, so I'll bring that.
I know he is looking forward to another round of tug-of-war. ;D Hopefully the men can redeem themselves this time around! LOL
The burningporcupine.com site says Shire Agorists would meet Friday, when we've actually planned to meet Saturday. We're flexible on the time, since there are other things going on, but we talked about a 4PM Saturday meeting over on our Fr33Agents HQ site: http://fr33agents.ning.com/group/shireagorists. (http://fr33agents.ning.com/group/shireagorists.)
I won't get up there til Friday afternoon... but I'll still take riders and still have extra tentage... write tour@AltOrgs.com if you want to come up with me.
gotcha jaqe
yea the prez can compete in all the competitions ..... we are going to have adult and child divisions
I guess the president won the junior division with the big kickball victory.
time to pack up the plastic tarps
so how about august 8th through the 13th next year?
I was also thinking about starting a pavilion above the fire pit this fall. I will figure out the costs for the roof and fasteners. The poles would come from our woods. Then I will beg for donations for the first section.
The donations finished at about $245, so that covers the additional electric, propane, portajohns, and various little things.
Someone came who had scabies, so anyone who attended might be infected. :(
I just registered here so I could let you know thanks for the invite. Although we didn't make it over to Grafton, I was glad to find the pics here on the forum. It looks like you all had a lot of fun! We haven't had much luck meeting people... we went to porcfest on Thurs. but I wasn't feeling well so we left in the night, and then we headed over to Funspot, but we had to be back home that night and I didn't know which of the people there were any of you guys. We have been looking at houses though, no luck yet. We might stop and start again in the spring because we cannot do a move in the snow since we would have to set up a kennel. Is the next event the Liberty rally? Do any of you meet up there? We will be in Laconia on 8-13 an 14 for a concert, is anything happening then? It's all only a matter of time I guess... Enjoy the rest of the summer everyone! Jessica and Russ
Oh crud, you mean that might not be poison ivy rash?
I believe it usually takes weeks for signs of scabies to show after infection, FWIW. The insects have to reproduce and spread a certain amount before you actually develop symptoms.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on July 26, 2010, 04:39 PM NHFT
Oh crud, you mean that might not be poison ivy rash?
Glad to see ya posting.
I thought the Space Aliens might have
kidnapped you.
Quote from: dalebert on July 26, 2010, 06:06 PM NHFT
I believe it usually takes weeks for signs of scabies to show after infection, FWIW. The insects have to reproduce and spread a certain amount before you actually develop symptoms.
Some types only take a few days.
Quote from: oddonesout on July 26, 2010, 01:56 PM NHFTthen we headed over to Funspot, but we had to be back home that night and I didn't know which of the people there were any of you guys.
Is the next event the Liberty rally?
too bad you didn't know what we looked like .... we played air hockey until our arms hurt
i don't know what the liberty rally is
Yikes, too bad you've had a difficult time hooking up with folks here. Be sure to post a message in advance where you're going to be next time and people will come out to meet and greet you.
There will be dozens if not hundreds of Porcupines at the Live Free or Die Rally (http://livefreeordierally.com/) (& on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=173009477205&ref=ts)) in Jaffrey 26-29 August. Just introduce yourselves around and you'll surely meet some free-staters.
On 13 & 14 August, I'll be at one or 2 of 3 possible events on the AltOrgs tour schedule: http://altorgs.com/2010-altorgs-tour/, (http://altorgs.com/2010-altorgs-tour/,) but other folks should be around.
Welcme!
Quote from: oddonesout on July 26, 2010, 01:56 PM NHFT
I just registered here so I could let you know thanks for the invite. Although we didn't make it over to Grafton, I was glad to find the pics here on the forum. It looks like you all had a lot of fun! We haven't had much luck meeting people... we went to porcfest on Thurs. but I wasn't feeling well so we left in the night, and then we headed over to Funspot, but we had to be back home that night and I didn't know which of the people there were any of you guys. We have been looking at houses though, no luck yet. We might stop and start again in the spring because we cannot do a move in the snow since we would have to set up a kennel. Is the next event the Liberty rally? Do any of you meet up there? We will be in Laconia on 8-13 an 14 for a concert, is anything happening then? It's all only a matter of time I guess... Enjoy the rest of the summer everyone! Jessica and Russ
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 26, 2010, 08:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on July 26, 2010, 06:06 PM NHFT
I believe it usually takes weeks for signs of scabies to show after infection, FWIW. The insects have to reproduce and spread a certain amount before you actually develop symptoms.
Some types only take a few days.
When a person is infested with scabies mites the first time, symptoms usually do not appear for up to two months (2-6 weeks) after being infested; however, an infested person still can spread scabies during this time even though he/she does not have symptoms.
If a person has had scabies before, symptoms appear much sooner (1-4 days) after exposure. An infested person can transmit scabies, even if they do not have symptoms, until they are successfully treated and the mites and eggs are destroyed.
Do you know if the person had been treated?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 26, 2010, 07:04 AM NHFT
Someone came who had scabies, so anyone who attended might be infected. :(
A long time ago I developed a red itchy rash (I am free of infection at present)
I do not like to admit this, but my Vet diagnosed me with scabies after first getting Lucy who had it then. I think I amazed the Vet after quick response home remedy of boric acid powder made into a topical paste using hand lotion applied to the rash which presented typically in the crease of the elbows; and through out the body of my dog Lucy. Lucy probably took along time to acquire the severe form but I got my quickly after receiving Lucy.
In my case scabies was a Zoonosis. My dogs Lucy's scabies was caused by a mite that took advantage of her immunocompromised state associated with her poor condition that which she was found.
We are healthy now. :grommit: :eek:
;D http://livefreeordierally.com/ (http://livefreeordierally.com/)
Thanks for the info about the boric acid. :D
Dog scabies is a different infection commonly known as mange. The species of mite that infects dogs is different than humans. You can get a rash but it will tend to be very localized and will go away on its own. You can't get the horrible spreading infection that can be really hard to get rid of unless you get the human version, and the same applies to human scabies and dogs. They're not interchangeable. There are a series of steps you need to take with scabies to make sure you thoroughly killed all the mites and their eggs so you don't get reinfected. For instance, they tend to be in bedding so if you put used bedding aside and away from human contact for a week, maybe even two, all the mites will starve to death. Then you can just wash it and it's safe to use again. You can try certain harsh cleaning methods, but to be effective, they might be hard on the bedding too so it's best if you can just not use it for a while.
They subscribe a poisonous lotion that you have to cover every inch of your body with from the neck down. You need to be sure and get it under your fingernails. The mites love to hang out there. They often get there when you scratch. Missing spots is a way the infection can come back later. It's takes 2 to 4 weeks for symptoms to show after infection so you can be infected and not know it. Also, you can feel relief and not realize you missed a few mites and then the rash can come back. Alternatively, you can kill all the mites and still be itchy for quite a while afterward and think you're still infected when you're not. You just have some lingering dead ones making you itch until you've sloughed off a couple layers of skin. All you can do is be really thorough, and that's usually sufficient, and then wait a while before you can know for sure that you got rid of them.
The rash is basically an allergic reaction to a mites bite and its body or eggs, dead or alive. Any antihistamine, local or even oral, will help a lot with the itching until you've gotten it under control.
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/tc/scabies-topic-overview (http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/tc/scabies-topic-overview)
Quote from: dalebert on July 28, 2010, 01:12 PM NHFThttp://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/tc/scabies-topic-overview (http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/tc/scabies-topic-overview)
The Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scabies) entry actually has some decent info, as well, including alternatives to the poisons that are used (eg, neem oil).
Joe
A single dose of Revolution will get rid of most cases of sarcoptic mange in dogs.
Ivermectin works equally well in humans and animals. It's an off-label use, but it works. And you can get it at the farm supply store if you feel comfortable calculating your own dose. (Warning about collies and Australian Shepherds: they have a genetic mutation that makes the effects of Ivermectin much stronger. For those breeds, I suggest consulting with a professional.)
Quote from: dalebert on July 28, 2010, 01:12 PM NHFT
There are a series of steps you need to take with scabies to make sure you thoroughly killed all the mites and their eggs so you don't get reinfected. For instance, they tend to be in bedding so if you put used bedding aside and away from human contact for a week, maybe even two, all the mites will starve to death. Then you can just wash it and it's safe to use again. You can try certain harsh cleaning methods, but to be effective, they might be hard on the bedding too so it's best if you can just not use it for a while.
I was harsh with the bedding. Did it all at once. Did clothes harshly too.
Quote from: dalebert on July 28, 2010, 01:12 PM NHFT
They subscribe a poisonous lotion that you have to cover every inch of your body with from the neck down. You need to be sure and get it under your fingernails.
And it doesn't smell too bad.
I also looked up on the Mayo Clinic's site, as well as wikipedia.
I had been suspecting it was something with this bedroom. Glad its not the case.
Quote from: Ron Helwig on July 28, 2010, 07:53 PM NHFT
I had been suspecting it was something with this bedroom. Glad its not the case.
I doubt it. The impression I have is they are very tiny and they really don't get around much. They transfer mainly by direct contact or through linens. Possibly through cloth-covered furniture if you spend a long time on it or if you lie on it nearly naked. I think it's very unlikely they transfer from a really brief contact like a handshake, but they do love to infect hand skin so if you were holding hands for a long time like a couple, the likelihood goes up quite a bit. They have some way to sense a different person there, i.e. fresh real estate ripe for homesteading. >:D
It's amazing how many people, even some doctors, treat them like an STD when it absolutely doesn't take sexual contact to transfer them. It also isn't an issue of how much you bathe or anything like that. Bathing won't get rid of them or prevent you getting infected. That's probably a myth that emerged from a higher incidence in homeless people but that's probably something about using a bed that many other people have slept in at a shelter. I've met a lot of homeless people working at a shelter and most of them actually bathe as well as anyone.
Uhm, it might not be a new room, per se, but it's possible it was a mattress. Was the room furnished when you moved in and did someone only recently move out of it? Might want to put a plastic cover over that mattress for a couple weeks.