Well, folks, it's official.
I will be landing in Manchester, NH, on 25 August 2009, at 12:10pm.
I would love to find a roof and a job, as soon as yesterday.
I will be happy to chip in on a fair share of an apartment, or a spare room.
I also am looking for any type of work, to bring in some income. I am a computer geek, have experience handling hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash (casino dealer), and am an all-around nice guy.
Any help or information you can offer will be greatly appreciated!
Congrats on the move!
That's great. I hope you're more of an activist than a politico, but even that I still welcome you.
Hopefully we'll make a bunch of new friends with common interests. I'll send you a private message with my cell number. Call anytime.
I tend to be better at the politico stuff than the activist. I am really good at understand laws, using the law against itself, thinking outside the box on how to achieve a goal, etc.
My skills are much better applied in a "polite" setting, versus the "pound on the door" method. Just my personal style.
Of course, I am not above "making an ass of myself", if the occasion calls for it. ;D
Let us know how / when / where so that we can help you move in.
Well, I will be there on the 25th, at noon.
Would love to have someone show me the area.
I also plan on making the Taproom that night.
Just really looking forward to meeting everyone.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 07, 2009, 05:50 PM NHFT
Welcome :)
Being a politcal operative means you're not an activist?
My thoughts exactly - many of the best activists in the state work in politics in some form or another. There are many forms of activism and reasonable minds can disagree on their relative merits but let's not disrespect all the political activists you call politicos. In my mind it's often the "outside the system" crowd that are less worthy of the term 'activist'. Hanging out at libertarian social events doesn't make you an activist and embarrasing the overall movement with childish, attention-grabbing acts of self-proclaimed civil disobedience makes you more of a detriment to the cause than anything else.
Quote from: Ragnar76 on August 08, 2009, 10:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 07, 2009, 05:50 PM NHFT
Welcome :)
Being a politcal operative means you're not an activist?
My thoughts exactly - many of the best activists in the state work in politics in some form or another. There are many forms of activism and reasonable minds can disagree on their relative merits but let's not disrespect all the political activists you call politicos. In my mind it's often the "outside the system" crowd that are less worthy of the term 'activist'. Hanging out at libertarian social events doesn't make you an activist and embarrasing the overall movement with childish, attention-grabbing acts of self-proclaimed civil disobedience makes you more of a detriment to the cause than anything else.
That was even more disrespectful than the original post. Makes me sorry I tried to stick up for you guys.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 09, 2009, 09:05 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ragnar76 on August 08, 2009, 10:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 07, 2009, 05:50 PM NHFT
Welcome :)
Being a politcal operative means you're not an activist?
My thoughts exactly - many of the best activists in the state work in politics in some form or another. There are many forms of activism and reasonable minds can disagree on their relative merits but let's not disrespect all the political activists you call politicos. In my mind it's often the "outside the system" crowd that are less worthy of the term 'activist'. Hanging out at libertarian social events doesn't make you an activist and embarrasing the overall movement with childish, attention-grabbing acts of self-proclaimed civil disobedience makes you more of a detriment to the cause than anything else.
That was even more disrespectful than the original post. Makes me sorry I tried to stick up for you guys.
exactly what has pushed me away. These are the guys that like to talk about poisoning the well?? I remember asking the same question of two people when I first went to Social Sunday (the first one) and Taproom Tuesday. I asked if they thought the other type of activism had a place in New Hampshire.
At Social Sunday, I was told that of course there's a place for political activism. I was told that they believed that "only in NH could a group get together and work politically to get things done."
At Taproom Tuesday, I was told that the civil disobedience crowd were "scumbags" and that they were "ruining this movement with their silly games"
I'm not a mean spirited person at heart, I'm a jolly fat man. I don't want to hang around with people who bitch about outside the system activists. I want to hang out with people who make their own tea, build fires, and when they see a law that is unjust. . .they seek to disobey it instead of waiting 30 or 40 years to get it repealed.
Politicos are activists, and they work very hard. I wanted to really come up here and be a part of both groups. I wanted to be a help to the friendly people that might be my neighbors here. Some things that were said at Taproom left such a horrible taste in my mouth that I haven't been back. . . I often am bored on Tuesday nights and I can't even FORCE myself to go.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 09, 2009, 09:05 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ragnar76 on August 08, 2009, 10:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 07, 2009, 05:50 PM NHFT
Welcome :)
Being a politcal operative means you're not an activist?
My thoughts exactly - many of the best activists in the state work in politics in some form or another. There are many forms of activism and reasonable minds can disagree on their relative merits but let's not disrespect all the political activists you call politicos. In my mind it's often the "outside the system" crowd that are less worthy of the term 'activist'. Hanging out at libertarian social events doesn't make you an activist and embarrasing the overall movement with childish, attention-grabbing acts of self-proclaimed civil disobedience makes you more of a detriment to the cause than anything else.
That was even more disrespectful than the original post. Makes me sorry I tried to stick up for you guys.
Saying that reasonable people can disagree on the merits of both forms of activism is more disrespectful than implying that all political work is outside the realm of activism? Note that I only said "it's often the outside the system people that aren't the activists" and I certainly didn't label the entire civil disobedience crowd as "scumbags" per Anton's experience at the Taproom. If identifying some of the stunts as childish and attention-grabbing hurts somebody's feelings, tough, the average NH resident needs to know that the liberty movement is about much more than drugs, public nudity, and disorder/nihilism generally.
Quote from: AntonLee on August 09, 2009, 11:47 AM NHFTI'm not a mean spirited person at heart, I'm a jolly fat man.
...Santa?
I think it will probably take a combination of both. I personally would rather just live free and expose the system for its violent nature as it prevents me from going about my day as a free person.
If people choose to work within the system I'm certainly not going to call them names or not associate with them. We disagree on how to get there but the goals are similar. I won't vote for them but if they believe they can help move us closer to a free society I wish them luck. It only took 70+ years to legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes in a handful of states.
I've tried the politico route and feel it takes too long just to make a small change here and there. I do however think the politico's will have a better chance at making a difference once the number of movers reaches in the 1000's. Hopefully they won't suggest using violence against me if I disagree with their policies.
The civil disobedience types inspired me and I hope my actions will inspire others. But rather than just go out and do my own ideas, I figured I'll try to gauge the public and see if there's a type of civil disobedience or peaceful non-cooperation that they'd support but maybe are too afraid to do it themselves.
Winning the hearts and minds is a start toward demonstrating that it's ok to stop being afraid which, in my opinion, is essential to truly live free.
Quote from: Ragnar76 on August 09, 2009, 03:01 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 09, 2009, 09:05 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ragnar76 on August 08, 2009, 10:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 07, 2009, 05:50 PM NHFT
Welcome :)
Being a politcal operative means you're not an activist?
My thoughts exactly - many of the best activists in the state work in politics in some form or another. There are many forms of activism and reasonable minds can disagree on their relative merits but let's not disrespect all the political activists you call politicos. In my mind it's often the "outside the system" crowd that are less worthy of the term 'activist'. Hanging out at libertarian social events doesn't make you an activist and embarrasing the overall movement with childish, attention-grabbing acts of self-proclaimed civil disobedience makes you more of a detriment to the cause than anything else.
That was even more disrespectful than the original post. Makes me sorry I tried to stick up for you guys.
Saying that reasonable people can disagree on the merits of both forms of activism is more disrespectful than implying that all political work is outside the realm of activism? Note that I only said "it's often the outside the system people that aren't the activists" and I certainly didn't label the entire civil disobedience crowd as "scumbags" per Anton's experience at the Taproom. If identifying some of the stunts as childish and attention-grabbing hurts somebody's feelings, tough, the average NH resident needs to know that the liberty movement is about much more than drugs, public nudity, and disorder/nihilism generally.
some things you don't need to say to get the point across. It's all about feeling welcome. ;D
what kind of job are you looking for
do you have wheels after you land?
Quote from: bigmike on August 05, 2009, 06:43 PM NHFT
That's great. I hope you're more of an activist than a politico, but even that I still welcome you.
You must have meant to say political
activist as opposed to a non-political activist.
Quote from: AntonLee on August 09, 2009, 11:47 AM NHFT
... when I first went to Social Sunday (the first one) and Taproom Tuesday. I asked if they thought the other type of activism had a place in New Hampshire.
At Social Sunday, I was told that of course there's a place for political activism. I was told that they believed that "only in NH could a group get together and work politically to get things done."
At Taproom Tuesday, I was told that the civil disobedience crowd were "scumbags" and that they were "ruining this movement with their silly games"
That doesn't jibe with my experience. Over several years of shared experiences on both sides of this issue, I have heard more criticism of the political activism than the other way around.
Cathleen
I'm not speaking as to what occurred, but just clarity in language that may further illuminate the issue. Criticism and insults are not the same.
Quote from: cathleeninnh on August 10, 2009, 11:18 AM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on August 09, 2009, 11:47 AM NHFT
... when I first went to Social Sunday (the first one) and Taproom Tuesday. I asked if they thought the other type of activism had a place in New Hampshire.
At Social Sunday, I was told that of course there's a place for political activism. I was told that they believed that "only in NH could a group get together and work politically to get things done."
At Taproom Tuesday, I was told that the civil disobedience crowd were "scumbags" and that they were "ruining this movement with their silly games"
That doesn't jibe with my experience. Over several years of shared experiences on both sides of this issue, I have heard more criticism of the political activism than the other way around.
Cathleen
I heard criticism too, I don't really mind the criticism. Criticism is not the same thing as an insult to me. What I heard were baseless insults of a particular group of people who do different activism. Of course, everyone has their own experiences and have their own inventory. For the record, the person I think Ragnar might be was a friendly person who welcomed me even though I was a bit overwhelmed at the time and didn't have much of a conversation with him. :)
Quote from: AntonLee on August 09, 2009, 11:47 AM NHFT
At Social Sunday, I was told that of course there's a place for political activism. I was told that they believed that "only in NH could a group get together and work politically to get things done."
At Taproom Tuesday, I was told that the civil disobedience crowd were "scumbags" and that they were "ruining this movement with their silly games"
Wow. Well, while this was only the viewpoint of two individuals, I'd like to think we don't have people like the latter guy at Social Sundays at all. :P
Welcome to New Hampshire I think theres enough room in the state and in the "project" for all types that way it can even each other out. Can't you all just get along or atleast
agree to disagree.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on August 10, 2009, 05:56 AM NHFT
Quote from: bigmike on August 05, 2009, 06:43 PM NHFT
That's great. I hope you're more of an activist than a politico, but even that I still welcome you.
You must have meant to say political activist as opposed to a non-political activist.
Precisely
Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 10, 2009, 05:46 AM NHFT
what kind of job are you looking for
do you have wheels after you land?
I am going to be hoofing it.
As far as work, I can do just about anything. I have alot of "troubleshooting" experience with PCs. I have excellent customer service skills, and have held a gaming (casino employee) license for the past 7 years or so. I handle literally hundred thousands of dollars daily. I really don't care what I do, as my work tends to be a source of income, more than a source of fulfillment for me. Of course, I would like to do something "helpful".
As far as the topic of "proper activism", anyone who claims to be a liberty activist, and bashes another for the method of their peaceful activism, is a hypocrite, in my opinion. Some people find more fulfillment in "shock" tactics, to stir people out of their apathy. Sometimes, you need to make people a bit pissed off to get them thinking.
Now, that isn't my personal style. I would prefer to sit down with open minded people, and exchange ideas. The problem is that most people are not interested in being open minded, or just don't care at all. The other issue is that many of the people who do care, tend to want to be "motherly", and tell you what you should and should not do, for your own good.
Burke said it best: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Personally, I think it foolish to demean those good men (and women, of course) who are doing something, even if you don't agree with the exact course they are taking.
well said :)
Hey dude we're coming to pick you up. We'll be holding signs that say ISOPHIX
So we arrived at the air port at 12:20 and waited around with a sign for about a half hour and nobody showed up. I think i may go back in a little bit to try again because I feel bad if nobody is there to find this guy. If anyone has his number plz drop a 411 or write a post.