What: 420 at 4:20 Public Marijuana Smoke Out
Where: Veterans Park, Elm Street, Downtown Manchester
When: 4:20 pm beginning Monday September 28, 2009
Who: Anyone can attend
Why: Because it shouldn't just be happening in Keene
I tip my hat to you Rich Paul, for helping to organize such a courageous and unique event. I haven't made it out there yet, but I will be attending on Saturday for my first trip out to Keene since moving here.
Now it's time to up the ante and begin doing this across the state. I figure a few days of notice will generate some initial support and hopefully it will snowball like it did in Keene.
While I do not consider myself an avid marijuana smoker, I am prepared to be the first to light up in the park. Hope to see you there!
Who's going to be next? Nashua? Concord? Grafton? This is getting some media attention now. Let's not waste it.
Good idea. This event across the state would be awesome!
Maybe those Concord guys can get one for out front of the state house!
If it happened in Grafton, I sense you'd not hear about it.
There's no place in Grafton that's good for this kind of event. You have to FIND things in Grafton. :P
you mean its not legal in grafton???
Ideally the manch cops would not know at first, then by the time they find out, it is too big for them to stop.
Keene had almost a week before the cops found out about it. It is unfortunately likely that the manch cops prolly read this forum. Of course if they don't, and if you can get a bunch of college guys to join by word of mouth, then this may work just as keenes did. >:D
Dude, Big Mike is apparently immune from arrest. If he is behind this event, I predict the cops will leave them alone.
Go Manchies!
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on September 25, 2009, 09:05 PM NHFT
Dude, Big Mike is apparently immune from arrest. If he is behind this event, I predict the cops will leave them alone.
Go Manchies!
The standing jokes are that I am either a good luck charm that should permanently be affixed to Barskey's car or that I am a Fed. I have a feeling my luck will be running out shortly...but that's when the fun begins ;)
lol
Maybe we can just drop your name whenever cops approach and they will scurry away in fear.
"Hey, you don't want to mess with me - I know Big Mike."
I work 9-5 like a lot of people that support what you are doing, but can't get away from work to join you at 4:20.
If we can decide that 6pm is the new 4:20 (because 4+2 = 6 or something like that...) I could join you in Manchester...
I think the keeniacs would get more supporters, if they used the new 4:20 at 6pm too.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on September 25, 2009, 09:29 PM NHFT
lol
Maybe we can just drop your name whenever cops approach and they will scurry away in fear.
"Hey, you don't want to mess with me - I know Big Mike."
You crack me up dude.
Quote from: thinkliberty on September 25, 2009, 11:27 PM NHFT
I work 9-5 like a lot of people that support what you are doing, but can't get away from work to join you at 4:20.
If we can decide that 6pm is the new 4:20 (because 4+2 = 6 or something like that...) I could join you in Manchester...
I think the keeniacs would get more supporters, if they used the new 4:20 at 6pm too.
Yeah, the early time sucks but hopefully we can keep it going in Manch until at least the weekend when more folks can attend. Sunday I'll likely be walking around SNHU talking to people about the event, I'm just not sure the time yet.
If your interested in helping spread the word I could use the help.
I believe this happens in Nashua everyday on Main St across the street from Dunkin Donuts at the memorial. I know I use to when I was a kid. THE GOOD OLDAYS! Any way, I think I just might make it down there on Monday. PUFF, PUFF,PASS
cool
no real bad gang to smoke in front of in Grafton
i attend the keene events ... it is fun to laugh at the keenestone cops
we know the manch cops are funny too ..... so it should go well
i will probably be there
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 26, 2009, 05:44 PM NHFT
i attend the keene events ... it is fun to laugh at the keenestone cops
Despite the gravity of the situation, I cracked up when the drizzle-troopers clomped right past you on their way to Rich. Keep wearing that outfit!
Quote from: Russell Kanning on September 26, 2009, 05:44 PM NHFT
cool
no real bad gang to smoke in front of in Grafton
i attend the keene events ... it is fun to laugh at the keenestone cops
we know the manch cops are funny too ..... so it should go well
We tried blowing it at the select board during meetings a couple times. The board kept getting the munchies and ordering down to the Mall for take out. The attractive but, sometimes bitchy teenyboppers complained to their boss about having to work and she filed a complaint so, we had to stop.
hehe sam
that is what i thought lloyd
I'll be there with a friend. Where on Elm? ;) Edit: Never mind, Veteran's park. I can't wait :D
Exciting times in the Free State. I'm so anxious I'm pacing. I've got a rough count of about 30 attending this first time. We'll see how it goes :)
Last I heard, about 30 or so did show up, and the cops left them alone. :)
Quote from: David on September 28, 2009, 09:07 PM NHFT
Last I heard, about 30 or so did show up, and the cops left them alone. :)
Video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s48QGDIth7I
alright
Open containers and open cannabis?
The well has been poisoned! The liberty movement is dead!
:D :D :D
Was a fun group of people and a cool time. I wish it ran a little longer, we gotta do lots more of these!
some nameless person wrote this on facebook:
"Stay in Keene and keep doing your daily 4:20 protests. We don't want you here in Manchester."
I think that's a challenge to you Big Mike and the Manchester activists.
:hippy2: Psychedelic, man.
Quote from: Fluff and Stuff on September 28, 2009, 09:16 PM NHFT
Video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s48QGDIth7I
Recording the Revolution through 'Rose Colored Glasses' ;D
I'd like to attend. I probably won't be able to make it at 4:20 exactly, more like 4:45, get home from work, get some papers, and drive to the park.
(no I only smoke tobacco and the loose leaf pouches I buy come with papers, but I use filter tubes, and instead of throwing them out I thought I could use them for something.)
http://www.indoshag.com/ (http://www.indoshag.com/) plus their logo is quite suggestive.
I thought it was yesterday.
I think it is everyday.
Nothing "everyday" about it, but it is held every day.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 29, 2009, 04:34 AM NHFT
some nameless person wrote this on facebook:
"Stay in Keene and keep doing your daily 4:20 protests. We don't want you here in Manchester."
I think that's a challenge to you Big Mike and the Manchester activists.
There's a reason why that was said. Nobody called me out directly but I plan to be open and listen to the reasons. It's only for this event, not all activism in Manch. I'm going to try to speak with Denis today and hear him out. He doesn't yet know my endgame to all this.
Biker Bill's video of yesterday's events. Thanks Bill.
feature=player_embedded
What better way to bring about freeedom then to just act free?
Andy is one of the biggest well-poisoning whiners. Cry me a river! I thought you ran away from NH, Andy - are you back for more? Hasn't the well been poisoned enough for you? Just wait until people start getting arrested for open container and there is more topless disobedience!
Typical whiner quote:
"Waaah! Why can't all you disobedients just go away? You're ruining everything! Without you we'd be having political success! I blame all my failures on you!"
What he said.
Quote from: andy_d on September 29, 2009, 02:56 PM NHFT
For Ian, "anarchy and activism = $$$$$$"
Well, they do call it anarcho-
capitalism.
I don't really see how it hurts inside the system activism. I imagine most of those turned off by it are just as opposed to legislation ending the drug war.
Cathleen
One more reason to advocate for the end of unconstitutional prohibition:
Marijuana Boosts Brain Cell Growth
Good News For The Medical Marijuana Movement: Pot Proliferates Brain Cells And Boosts Mood
ScienceDaily (Oct. 14, 2005) — Most drugs of abuse decrease the generation of new neurons in the brain, but the effects of marijuana on this process, called neurogenesis, had not been clear.
In a paper appearing online on October 13 in advance of print publication of the November issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, Xia Zhang and colleagues from University of Saskatchewan show that a potent and synthetic cannabinoid promotes neurogenesis. This drug also exerts anti-anxiety and antidepressant-like effects.
The researchers suggest that there is a positive correlation between increased adult neurogenesis and modified behavior following chronic cannabinoid treatment. These data expand the existing knowledge about the positive roles cannabinoids and their receptors play in brain processing and medicine. Moreover, cannabinoids are perhaps the only illicit drug that can enhance adult neurogenesis and subsequently modify behavior.
Reference: Cannabinoid promotes embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produces anxiolytic- and antidepression-like effects. J. Clin. Invest. 115: 3104-3116 (2005). doi:10.1172/JCI25509.
Quote from: cathleeninnh on September 29, 2009, 03:25 PM NHFT
I don't really see how it hurts inside the system activism. I imagine most of those turned off by it are just as opposed to legislation ending the drug war.
Cathleen
This is just a guess on my part, but based on what Denis posted on FB, I suspect that some in-the-system activists have spoken with one or more politicians and found that all the work Rocketman has done to try to get medical marijuana legalized in NH, which is coming to a head at the end of October, may be in jeopardy because of this particular out-of-the-system activism. Again, this is a just a guess on my part, and not a commentary on the rightness or rationality of some politicians making a link between the 4:20 events and HB648.
Quote from: andy_d on September 29, 2009, 02:11 PM NHFT
Protests like this only further to discredit the FSP and the participants who use the electoral and legislative processes to achieve more liberty in our lifetime.
There isn't a protest in Keene. We do have daily freedom rallies, though. The people are about as pro-freedom as at the 9-12 Teaparty in DC where several amazing FSP participants handed out around 9,000 flyers.
I don't know about Manchester, but the national story which is coming out of Keene has nothing to do with the FSP. 90%+ of those involved were never part of the FSP. Maybe it's an FSP thing in Manchester, I don't know. But if you said something like that about the Keene events, you would be trying to bring the FSP into it. BTW, the FSP never does activism, anyway.
Anyway, it isn't about the FSP. The majority of those, and the vast majority of those in Keene, that are involved with the NH freedom movement have nothing to do with the FSP.
thanks for your explanation and no need to get your phone number. . .you're still a nameless random person on Facebook. I don't care what political games you'd like to play, the bottom line is that the law is wrong and I condone breaking bad laws if you so choose.
I'm sorry if Matt Simon thinks this will ruin all the hard work he's done. I've heard his points and disagreed with him. The most important thing is for people to be free and be damned what people write on paper. I feel that trying to legislate your way out of slavery is akin to spending your way out of debt.
I've not heard one civil disobedience activist say that the political types were not welcome. I've heard plenty of it the other way around, especially when I considered myself a 'politico'
frankly, it is whining and unnecessary. I'll remember to pm you so that you don't have to post more crap I shouldn't waste time reading. It reminds me of one particular Seabrook activist who has put the word out that Civil Disobedients are unwelcome in that podunk town.
Way to go BigMike! you ruined the liberty movement by acting like you are free.
Go back to acting like you are a slave or we will never be free. You need to beg on your knees and pay money to the government to be free.
I went out to the "event", today.
2 signs and 2 dozen people, 0 people smoking pot = a mini-legalization rally. I don't see how this could hurt anyone or anything.
No one toked in Manch?
:o
Maybe you just weren't around at the right time?
24 people is pretty good showing for day number 2.
Quote from: andy_d on September 29, 2009, 02:56 PM NHFT
I was gone for 3 weeks, Ian... and glad to see you too!
I see you and your army of high-school aged followers have been causing quite a stir in Keene. Has it helped your radio ratings?
For Ian, "anarchy and activism = $$$$$$"
Yes, I profit from my activism. Are you suggesting it's wrong to profit from activism? By the way, I reinvest my profits into the show and this movement, so it's not like I'm sitting on some treasure trove of cash.
Also, most of those "followers" don't know me from Adam, so try again.
Quote from: Friday on September 29, 2009, 04:20 PM NHFT
This is just a guess on my part, but based on what Denis posted on FB, I suspect that some in-the-system activists have spoken with one or more politicians and found that all the work Rocketman has done to try to get medical marijuana legalized in NH, which is coming to a head at the end of October, may be in jeopardy because of this particular out-of-the-system activism.
I would expect to hear things like that whether it's true or not. Intimidation is the first and primary tactic of the State to affect compliance. When that's gone, they may resort to a really overt show of force, but that's very dangerous for their appearance of legitimacy. They risk greater marginalization if they have to resort to that. It might regain control briefly, but it hurts them greatly in the long run.
Regarding the fear of being loud and in your face, review the incredibly successful gay rights movement. Case closed.
The politicos are control freaks. When are they going to learn they can't control what all the other activists are doing, political or otherwise? If their tactics are really dependent on that degree of control, then they're doomed to failure and should just quit now. I think I've actually toned down my activism in many ways, for my own reasons, but with every new incident of scapegoating by the politicos, I just want to get louder.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on September 29, 2009, 08:30 PM NHFT
Quote from: andy_d on September 29, 2009, 02:56 PM NHFT
I was gone for 3 weeks, Ian... and glad to see you too!
I see you and your army of high-school aged followers have been causing quite a stir in Keene. Has it helped your radio ratings?
For Ian, "anarchy and activism = $$$$$$"
Yes, I profit from my activism. Are you suggesting it's wrong to profit from activism? By the way, I reinvest my profits into the show and this movement, so it's not like I'm sitting on some treasure trove of cash.
Also, most of those "followers" don't know me from Adam, so try again.
At least Ian does not force people to pay for his activism or face prison (Try not paying taxes and staying out of prison) like those who work for the state.
People must consider his services to be valuable, if they are willing pay him without coercion.
Yes it was a smaller turnout today than yesterday, but the fliers are starting to go out and I expect the numbers to grow significantly by the weekend. There was plenty of smoking today, but not by me as I've smoked a lot of pot over the past few days. I held a joint when the police rode by on bikes and will likely spend the rest of my participation openly possessing and not smoking.
I don't think anyone feels I'm going to ruin the liberty movement, at least I didn't get that impression from Denis. We had a good conversation, are both looking forward to meeting each other and realize that there's a long road ahead of us. I'm going to do my thing, he's going to do his thing and at times we may work together for a common cause. This just won't be one of them.
The 420 events in Manchester will continue. If it ruins the chance for the veto override of the medical marijuana bill, I know who will be responsible and it won't be me.
Hell hath no fury like a free stater trying to wreck a mayoral campaign ;)
good job big mike the hell with medical pot," just legalize it" and stand your ground you are doing a very brave thing for a very good cause. hope to make it to manchvegas soon to meet you. firecracker Joe
your activism Big Mike has more of an effect on people than this political crap. You can't spend your way out of debt, you can't legislate your way to freedom.
Ian helps me pay for the newspaper. I'm glad he profits from his activism. :D
Quote from: andy_d on September 29, 2009, 02:11 PM NHFT
AntonLee wrote:
some nameless person wrote this on facebook:
"Stay in Keene and keep doing your daily 4:20 protests. We don't want you here in Manchester."
I wrote that. I've been in NH for almost 5 years. I'm an activist in Manchester....
Protests like this only further to discredit the FSP and the participants who use the electoral and legislative processes to achieve more liberty in our lifetime....
People in Manchester are trying to move liberty forward. That's why I said we don't want you here. You wrote that I was "scared of freedom". Nothing could be further from the truth. I just won't let things like a marijuana protest stand in the way of achieving liberty.
thanks ... i needed a good laugh to start out my morning
i understand what they are trying to accomplish .... the cops and city council in keene seem to
if you want to help them get the laws changed or abolished that would be helpful, if you don't then why not get out of their way ... I don't actually think they are hurting your cause.
Next time you run for office you can let the media know you don't support the 420 crowd.
Russell "I don't run for office myself, but I do support your right to engage in harmless recreational behavior" Kanning
if you step up the activism .... politicians will come to you and want to negotiate
the keeniacs will treat you nicely if you are nice, but if you cross them, they will unlease the out loud and proud Dale .... now that is someone you don't want to get mad at you ... he will draw really bad cartoons of you
appease Ian quickly before he lets Dale out of his cage
The FSP doesn't do activism, andy_d. The pot protests aren't by the FSP and the political activism is by groups like NHLA. They're different people taking different paths. It's the libertarian way. Freedom to choose for ourselves. Not complicated unless you make it that way.
Quote from: jose on September 29, 2009, 10:32 PM NHFT
good job big mike the hell with medical pot," just legalize it" and stand your ground you are doing a very brave thing for a very good cause. hope to make it to manchvegas soon to meet you. firecracker Joe
Thanks Joe. Looking forward to meeting you as well.
Quote from: AntonLee on September 30, 2009, 02:47 AM NHFT
your activism Big Mike has more of an effect on people than this political crap. You can't spend your way out of debt, you can't legislate your way to freedom.
I agree, although I wouldn't call it political crap. The NHLA and NHCommonSense activists have worked really hard and I appreciate their efforts.
This vote to override the veto hangs in the balance of one man who is not voting to override because of the merits of the bill itself, but because of partisan politics. He's afraid his constituents won't like his vote, and the growth of the 420 events in Manchester could hurt his opportunity to win his current election chances if he doesn't get on his bully pulpit and declare swift action against this type of activism to appease his base.
Nothing like actually having the courage to stand up to your constituents and try to change their minds. What this guy will do is an act of cowardice, not leadership. He doesn't want marijuana to be legal for medicinal purposes. He wants to be a partisan hack. He is more afraid of losing his position of power than doing the right thing. That is not what makes a good leader.
I don't know about anyone else, but this is what I had hoped to change by moving to New Hampshire. This guy is no friend of liberty and I didn't come here to try to appease or beg bureaucrats. That's been tried and failed.
Should the attention of the Manchester 420 events cause this guy to withdraw his support for the veto override I will be taking time off from my activism and focus on disrupting his campaign efforts.
Will it have an affect on the election outcome? Probably not. But at least I didn't abandon my principals. If he actually wins it will only make me focus on making any future activism I do become more "in your face" during his term as mayor.
fyi, when I say "crap" I mean "stuff"
some people say it's a massachusetts thing. . .I say it's a me thing.
I like it
Works for me.
It really hit me last night, Ayn Rand was so right. The Aristocracy of the Pull is alive and well in NH.
Quote from: Friday on September 29, 2009, 04:20 PM NHFT
This is just a guess on my part, but based on what Denis posted on FB, I suspect that some in-the-system activists have spoken with one or more politicians and found that all the work Rocketman has done to try to get medical marijuana legalized in NH, which is coming to a head at the end of October, may be in jeopardy because of this particular out-of-the-system activism.
It was loudly proclaimed by the self-described "Silent Majority" in the 1960s that all the anti-war demonstrations were prolonging hostilities--but what was actually meant was
Shut up and go home, and just let us do our job of ruling over you. History has clearly shown that the widespread opposition to the war, unexpected by a population that had become ovine from two World Wars with a depression between, was all that did succeed in bringing the conflict to an end.
When your opponent actually possesses a sense of decency, there's no better tactic than to invoke it on false pretenses (See, e.g., various video interviews with Shane Maxwell, or any book with the word
women in the title . . .).
Yeah Jose, screw medical, legalize it! Fuck those cancer and MS patients who can't get out of bed in the morning. Call me Joe Anarchist, who can't get outside of my own head for long enough to understand that real life doesn't work on a binary black/white, free/unfree basis. Some of these prospective patients are terrified to use the medicine they need to survive while it's illegal because they could lose their disability, job, or children. Yes, those people exist, and they live their short, miserable lives in brutal pain.
If there's one thing that never ceases to amaze me, it's the inability that so many people have to prioritize and work towards achieving goals over time. What the hell is the point of these protests? To "start a dialog?" About what? Are you framing the dialog so that people who walk by come away with the right message? Or does it look like a combination of hippies and Insane Clown Posse fans smoking pot in a park?
Anyways... if you guys tip the scales and make the one important vote go against the medical bill, I hope you will have the character to do something charitable for those patients or volunteer in a hospice so that you can see the pain and suffering you helped to make happen.
c'mon. . . this medical marijuana thing is a scam. Does it help them, absolutely. They should just go ahead and do it. Let the cops arrest them.
The world does work in a free/unfree way, you choose not to accept it. Those people might be out there to "create a dialogue" as you put it. . . . but some might be out there to , I don't know, GET HIGH?
Some are out there supporting their friends. Some are smoking cloves. Some like to hang around with other people. Some don't like cops.
The point of why these individuals show up isn't any of your concern. After all, they're just there in the park.
If the political system were to have worked it would have done so by now. No one should be jailed for the use, production, cultivation, sales, transport, possession of cannabis period end of story sianara.
Those medical marijuana patients, my heart goes out to them. . .so they should just continue to smoke marijuana or pick it up if it helps them. No one is stopping them just like no one really can stop me from doing it myself.
Quote from: AntonLee on October 01, 2009, 10:34 AM NHFT
c'mon. . . this medical marijuana thing is a scam. Does it help them, absolutely. They should just go ahead and do it. Let the cops arrest them.
The world does work in a free/unfree way, you choose not to accept it. Those people might be out there to "create a dialogue" as you put it. . . . but some might be out there to , I don't know, GET HIGH?
Some are out there supporting their friends. Some are smoking cloves. Some like to hang around with other people. Some don't like cops.
The point of why these individuals show up isn't any of your concern. After all, they're just there in the park.
If the political system were to have worked it would have done so by now. No one should be jailed for the use, production, cultivation, sales, transport, possession of cannabis period end of story sianara.
Those medical marijuana patients, my heart goes out to them. . .so they should just continue to smoke marijuana or pick it up if it helps them. No one is stopping them just like no one really can stop me from doing it myself.
Let me guess - you're between 20 and 30, unmarried, white, and male, right? Me too. People like us don't have much to lose for being arrested. Not everyone in the world can just get sent to the pokey for a weekend and shrug it off. People with careers get fired. People with children lose custody. There are all kinds of consequences that follow the decision to "just be free" that are unbearable to most. I'm sure the grandmothers who don't want to lose their 20 hour a week meal ticket are ashamed that they don't share your fortitude and blase attitude towards legal sanctions and jail time.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 01, 2009, 06:59 AM NHFT
It really hit me last night, Ayn Rand was so right. The Aristocracy of the Pull is alive and well in NH.
Very true.
Quote from: Feanor7 on October 01, 2009, 10:09 AM NHFT
Anyways... if you guys tip the scales and make Gatsas vote against the medical bill, I hope you will have the character to do something charitable for those patients or volunteer in a hospice so that you can see the pain and suffering you helped to make happen.
Nobody is making him do anything. He doesn't want to support the medical bill, he wants to snub Lynch. And nobody here caused any patients pain and suffering, their illness did. I do understand what you were getting at.
It seems after a great suggestion by Pat K a solution has emerged from all of this back and forth. I have absolutely no problem encouraging participants in these events to call Gatsas and DeVries and ask them to override the veto. I even plan on doing it myself.
Also Feanor, if you know of any groups of sick patients that actively lobby in support of the bill's passage would you forward the contact info to me? In Michigan the largest opponent of medicinal marijuana and assisted suicide was hospice, the organization not so much the workers.
As far as the dialog goes I was hoping to use the public smoking as a way to demonstrate to the police that they can use their discretion in isolated incidents just like they can in the park. This entire process of "we need to legalize/decriminalize or change the laws" is a waste of time. They can simply choose to ignore it.
If the police agreed to stop making arrests for drug possession I'd never show up to the 420 events. To encourage them to stop I have started contacting every person arrested in Manchester for drug possession charges and offering to walk them through the legal process of defending against the allegations if they're willing to reject the plea agreement offered to them. This will slowly start to make it cost-prohibitive to prosecute peaceful people and, hopefully, over time will cease to occur.
Once I have a good system in place I'm going to do this across the state. The problem so far is tracking down the people arrested has to be done in person, as I'm finding it difficult to locate telephone numbers for them.
Quote from: Feanor7 on October 01, 2009, 10:38 AM NHFT
Let me guess - you're between 20 and 30, unmarried, white, and male, right? Me too. People like us don't have much to lose for being arrested. Not everyone in the world can just get sent to the pokey for a weekend and shrug it off. People with careers get fired. People with children lose custody. There are all kinds of consequences that follow the decision to "just be free" that are unbearable to most. I'm sure the grandmothers who don't want to lose their 20 hour a week meal ticket are ashamed that they don't share your fortitude and blase attitude towards legal sanctions and jail time.
He makes a great point, Anton. Not everyone has it in them to deal with the consequences. I hope over time people will begin to lose that fear but we're a long way off from that happening.
Quote from: Feanor7 on October 01, 2009, 10:09 AM NHFT
Anyways... if you guys tip the scales and make the one important vote go against the medical bill
I can not be blamed for what some gangster does and neither can any other public toker in Keene or Manch.
Quote from: bigmike on October 01, 2009, 11:09 AM NHFT
To encourage them to stop I have started contacting every person arrested in Manchester for drug possession charges and offering to walk them through the legal process of defending against the allegations if they're willing to reject the plea agreement offered to them. This will slowly start to make it cost-prohibitive to prosecute peaceful people and, hopefully, over time will cease to occur.
Once I have a good system in place I'm going to do this across the state. The problem so far is tracking down the people arrested has to be done in person, as I'm finding it difficult to locate telephone numbers for them.
Okay, that's awesome. How are you getting the arrest info?
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on October 01, 2009, 11:28 AM NHFT
Quote from: bigmike on October 01, 2009, 11:09 AM NHFT
To encourage them to stop I have started contacting every person arrested in Manchester for drug possession charges and offering to walk them through the legal process of defending against the allegations if they're willing to reject the plea agreement offered to them. This will slowly start to make it cost-prohibitive to prosecute peaceful people and, hopefully, over time will cease to occur.
Once I have a good system in place I'm going to do this across the state. The problem so far is tracking down the people arrested has to be done in person, as I'm finding it difficult to locate telephone numbers for them.
Okay, that's awesome. How are you getting the arrest info?
Agreed, that project sounds like it would rule
They're listed in the Manchester Express that comes out every week. It lists the name and address, where the arrest occurred and the charge. The problem is most of the addresses listed are apartments and the unit isn't listed.
If anybody knows of a better way to find the arrests please let me know. I'll start a separate thread with more details.
Quote from: Feanor7 on October 01, 2009, 10:38 AM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on October 01, 2009, 10:34 AM NHFT
c'mon. . . this medical marijuana thing is a scam. Does it help them, absolutely. They should just go ahead and do it. Let the cops arrest them.
The world does work in a free/unfree way, you choose not to accept it. Those people might be out there to "create a dialogue" as you put it. . . . but some might be out there to , I don't know, GET HIGH?
Some are out there supporting their friends. Some are smoking cloves. Some like to hang around with other people. Some don't like cops.
The point of why these individuals show up isn't any of your concern. After all, they're just there in the park.
If the political system were to have worked it would have done so by now. No one should be jailed for the use, production, cultivation, sales, transport, possession of cannabis period end of story sianara.
Those medical marijuana patients, my heart goes out to them. . .so they should just continue to smoke marijuana or pick it up if it helps them. No one is stopping them just like no one really can stop me from doing it myself.
Let me guess - you're between 20 and 30, unmarried, white, and male, right? Me too. People like us don't have much to lose for being arrested. Not everyone in the world can just get sent to the pokey for a weekend and shrug it off. People with careers get fired. People with children lose custody. There are all kinds of consequences that follow the decision to "just be free" that are unbearable to most. I'm sure the grandmothers who don't want to lose their 20 hour a week meal ticket are ashamed that they don't share your fortitude and blase attitude towards legal sanctions and jail time.
The consequences are not with me. I'm not rounding anyone up for smoking a joint. I'm not taking people's children away. I'm not the one voting to add new laws against others. I'm not the guy you're looking for.
the decision to "just be free" is one that's not easily taken. Never said it was easy to be free, especially with all kinds of people looking to take your shit away and toss you in jail. I personally would rather not spend my life trying to plead with people to just see it my way and die a failure. Nah, I'd rather spend my life just doing what I damn well feel like (which is quite normal in society's terms).
don't tell me that my 'acting free' has any responsibility on their chosen actions.
Medical Marijuana is not a scam...
Many amazing medical properties and miraculous improvements in peoples lives. ie. Stopping progressive blindness, calming debilitating pain, spasms etc.
That said...
Many people trying to move Cannabis Law Reform forward see "Medical Marijuana" as one of the steps in the process, because it is the apparent short path to their goal. However, like most things in life the shortest path is not always the best path.
The three branches in the Cannabis Reform Movement are the recreational, medical and industrial (hemp). They started in the same group of activists. Over the last 25 years they have moved apart and today the hemp and medical advocates are hostile to the recreational activists. The "potheads" are seen as the obstacle to their efforts. The truth is, if it wasn't for the "potheads" you would have never heard about the medical and industrial uses of Cannabis.
The "authorities" granting you the privilege to medicate yourself with a herbal remedy goes against fundamental rights.
In fact, most people don't even consider that the federal government didn't even have the power to make Cannabis illegal in the first place. That is why the law created in 1937, was the "Marijuana Tax Act". They just put a prohibitively high tax on it. They would have needed a Constitutional Ammendment like they did to make alcohol illegal.
Finally, the truth is the "War on Marijuana People" is an evil, shameful black mark in history. The fact is the goverments lost the war. Nothing short of unconditional surrender is acceptable. Maybe, if the politicians, cops and mean bigoted people who waged this war do the right thing, history and their grandchildren won't be as ashamed as people are today to admit their ancestors owned slaves.
Decriminalization and other half measures get in the way of the process that must happen before this war is over.
(As to the scoundrel Gatsas, he is the head mother-fucker who sold us out on Real-ID.)
myself calling medical marijuana a scam was not the right word for the usage I was going for. I'm the last person that would doubt the medical benefits of cannabis. That's why I believe people should just do what feels good.
Quote from: AntonLee on October 01, 2009, 07:36 PM NHFT
myself calling medical marijuana a scam was not the right word for the usage I was going for. I'm the last person that would doubt the medical benefits of cannabis. That's why I believe people should just do what feels good.
I understood you to mean that making the distinction between MM and MJ legalization was a scam.
I received a message on Facebook that a reporter from NHPR will be there today. More locals are beginning to show and openly light up.
Also I received some good info about doing a Right to Know request to access the contact information of anyone arrested on drug possession charges so that I can begin contacting them in an effort to have them put the state through the expense of having a trial.
I'm headed to MPD shortly. See you at 4:20.
Quote from: bigmike on October 01, 2009, 12:09 PM NHFT
They're listed in the Manchester Express that comes out every week. It lists the name and address, where the arrest occurred and the charge. The problem is most of the addresses listed are apartments and the unit isn't listed.
If anybody knows of a better way to find the arrests please let me know. I'll start a separate thread with more details.
One could probably get the info directly from the police department in question, but I suspect that they would expect to be paid for providing the data. I know that a few lawyers in Kansas City bought the arrest records from the KCPD for purposes of soliciting clients.
Did you start a separate thread? I'm interested in this project.
Quote from: Lance on October 03, 2009, 07:11 AM NHFT
Quote from: bigmike on October 01, 2009, 12:09 PM NHFT
They're listed in the Manchester Express that comes out every week. It lists the name and address, where the arrest occurred and the charge. The problem is most of the addresses listed are apartments and the unit isn't listed.
If anybody knows of a better way to find the arrests please let me know. I'll start a separate thread with more details.
One could probably get the info directly from the police department in question, but I suspect that they would expect to be paid for providing the data. I know that a few lawyers in Kansas City bought the arrest records from the KCPD for purposes of soliciting clients.
Did you start a separate thread? I'm interested in this project.
I haven't started a separate thread yet but I did just like you suggested.
Yesterday I went to the cop shop and spoke with a woman in the records department. She was very friendly and helpful, got me what I needed without charging me and said I wouldn't even need to fill out a 91:A request form under the Right to Know laws.
The two problems I'm running into are getting telephone numbers from the arrest reports (she wasn't sure if that was something I could have access to and I have to go back Monday for an answer) and the headache of trying to change the plea itself.
I was reading through the West Digest yesterday that cites abbreviations from NH cases and it seems the relevant case law doesn't support my original theory. You don't have a right to change your plea but it can be done and I'm looking for a solid legal argument in case the motion is denied so there are grounds for appeal.
Lance are you a lawyer?
Quote from: bigmike on October 03, 2009, 09:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lance on October 03, 2009, 07:11 AM NHFT
Quote from: bigmike on October 01, 2009, 12:09 PM NHFT
They're listed in the Manchester Express that comes out every week. It lists the name and address, where the arrest occurred and the charge. The problem is most of the addresses listed are apartments and the unit isn't listed.
If anybody knows of a better way to find the arrests please let me know. I'll start a separate thread with more details.
One could probably get the info directly from the police department in question, but I suspect that they would expect to be paid for providing the data. I know that a few lawyers in Kansas City bought the arrest records from the KCPD for purposes of soliciting clients.
Did you start a separate thread? I'm interested in this project.
I haven't started a separate thread yet but I did just like you suggested.
Yesterday I went to the cop shop and spoke with a woman in the records department. She was very friendly and helpful, got me what I needed without charging me and said I wouldn't even need to fill out a 91:A request form under the Right to Know laws.
The two problems I'm running into are getting telephone numbers from the arrest reports (she wasn't sure if that was something I could have access to and I have to go back Monday for an answer) and the headache of trying to change the plea itself.
I was reading through the West Digest yesterday that cites abbreviations from NH cases and it seems the relevant case law doesn't support my original theory. You don't have a right to change your plea but it can be done and I'm looking for a solid legal argument in case the motion is denied so there are grounds for appeal.
Lance are you a lawyer?
Yes I'm a lawyer but currently I only hold permission slips from the monopolies in Missouri and Kansas. I should have my NH license by springtime but I'm already here so I want to do what I can.
That is great news that the PD isn't charging for that info. I don't know why the telephone number would be off limits, but I think they'll wind up giving you that info also.
I'm not quite sure I understand your original theory. I thought that it was simply to contact people while their cases are pending to persuade them to plead not guilty. I'll look for your new thread and help however I can.
from the rainy day yesterday in Manchester. A good crowd for the rain and some honks from even some walking folks!
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there were others in the back smoking as well. A cop car in the top picture was blocking the street not far away because of the Circus getting out of the Verizon Center.
thanks for the photos, now we have a decent Kira Report for those that are not crazy about watching videos :)
word up
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I just won't let things like a marijuana protest stand in the way of achieving liberty.
How does one spell irony?
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A quick update:
The 420 event in Manchester has now received press coverage from NHPR, the Union Leader, the Manchester Express (which will be out next week unless the guy was actually a fed), and next week a staff writer from the New Hampshire, the UNH newspaper is coming out for the story.
More locals are arriving daily and we're seeing new faces all the time. The overall mood on the street from passers-by has been overwhelmingly supportive ranging from young people to older civilian types, even a few bureaucrats.
funny, I've heard more about 420 protests than I had about any bills in Concord. I didn't have any statist friends coming up to me and asking if the Free Staters had anything to with NH Compassion or NH Common Sense. They sure do know about the 420 protests, and they support them because, well, even statists smoke weed and want to do so in public at their own discretion.
but who wants press coverage anyway? We should just hide out and pretend we're not free staters. Pander to the lowest common denominator, that'll continue to work ::)
I know plenty of what you would call statists who smoke pot and would like to see medical marijuana and a decrim bill pass. However, I don't think I know a single one who supports the right to smoke pot in public.
And, yes, you are getting press coverage.....and I get asked probably every day what those potheads really hope to accomplish by smoking pot in the park. Curious, when Cassidy starts to show her pregnancy, do you think a picture of her pregnant and getting high will get good or bad press coverage?
have fun guys ... post pictures please :)
Quote from: ny2nh on October 08, 2009, 05:57 PM NHFT
I know plenty of what you would call statists who smoke pot and would like to see medical marijuana and a decrim bill pass. However, I don't think I know a single one who supports the right to smoke pot in public.
And, yes, you are getting press coverage.....and I get asked probably every day what those potheads really hope to accomplish by smoking pot in the park. Curious, when Cassidy starts to show her pregnancy, do you think a picture of her pregnant and getting high will get good or bad press coverage?
just goes to show the assholes you hang around with then. You don't have to like public smoking of pot, you just don't have to support violence against those who are doing so peacefully. It's okay, I know it's a very hard thing to wrap your mind around, you know, this whole liberty thing.
Quote from: AntonLee on October 08, 2009, 06:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: ny2nh on October 08, 2009, 05:57 PM NHFT
I know plenty of what you would call statists who smoke pot and would like to see medical marijuana and a decrim bill pass. However, I don't think I know a single one who supports the right to smoke pot in public.
And, yes, you are getting press coverage.....and I get asked probably every day what those potheads really hope to accomplish by smoking pot in the park. Curious, when Cassidy starts to show her pregnancy, do you think a picture of her pregnant and getting high will get good or bad press coverage?
just goes to show the assholes you hang around with then. You don't have to like public smoking of pot, you just don't have to support violence against those who are doing so peacefully. It's okay, I know it's a very hard thing to wrap your mind around, you know, this whole liberty thing.
Never said they were people I hang around with....I know a lot of people and people know that I know a lot of freestaters....so topics like this come up. And what violence did I mention?
And, no, the whole liberty thing is not to hard wrap my head around....we just don't see eye to eye on how to get there.....
Perhaps this shows the massive disconnect:
QuoteI get asked probably every day what those potheads really hope to accomplish by smoking pot in the park.
Maybe they're not trying to accomplish anything. Maybe they're just trying to be free. That's the answer I'd give to anyone who asked me.
Quote from: Ogre on October 08, 2009, 07:35 PM NHFT
Perhaps this shows the massive disconnect:
QuoteI get asked probably every day what those potheads really hope to accomplish by smoking pot in the park.
Maybe they're not trying to accomplish anything. Maybe they're just trying to be free. That's the answer I'd give to anyone who asked me.
But there are some things that are being accomplished here.
First is the best point. The police know we're out there and do nothing. We've at least accomplished that. If they can't or won't come get people in the park it only demonstrates that marijuana possession as a crime is handled by selective enforcement. If they can choose to ignore peaceful people in the park, why can't they choose to ignore somebody three blocks away two hours after they leave? At some point there will be evidence of this that can be used against them.
Second, if a bunch of people were fighting in the park they would put a stop to it immediately. If pot was as bad as the terrocrats have led us to believe they would have shut this down on the first day. The police obviously know the truth. Peaceful people can smoke pot and the sky won't come crashing down because of it. I can't help that they don't tell the truth to citizens that complain about drugs, but they're doing the right thing until this reaches critical mass.
At that point, third, when they show up I take the megaphone. I never intended to lead any movement but now I've got something to say. In no uncertain terms they will hear me call them out as cowards for harassing peaceful people. The only reason they'll show up now is over politics. We've been there going on two weeks with no complaints. Good for MPD for doing the right thing and quoting a statement in the Union Leader that helps them save face. Dude denied what was happening there even though he knew otherwise. I'd say that's a victory.
Fourth, and finally...I don't often speak of the endgame here. Let me be clear: I encourage anyone that gets arrested to plead not guilty to the charges and force the state to go through the expense of having a trial. Everyone I speak to about this understands the risk of telling a judge he refuses to pay any fine. These aren't Free Staters. These words come from locals.
How long have you lived in Manchester? It's not often that I hear about cops harassing people for smoking pot....especially if they are adults and are doing so in a place as to not affect others around them.
Maybe you live in a different Manchester.
Quote from: ny2nh on October 08, 2009, 05:57 PM NHFT
Curious, when Cassidy starts to show her pregnancy, do you think a picture of her pregnant and getting high will get good or bad press coverage?
That's just like you whether here or on the FTL BBS always talking shit about other women. You're one hateful person.
Quote from: ny2nh on October 08, 2009, 07:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on October 08, 2009, 06:15 PM NHFT
You don't have to like public smoking of pot, you just don't have to support violence against those who are doing so peacefully. It's okay, I know it's a very hard thing to wrap your mind around, you know, this whole liberty thing.
...
And, no, the whole liberty thing is not to hard wrap my head around....we just don't see eye to eye on how to get there.....
So you:
1. Support the state using violence against peaceful people, until you get where ever there is? (You support using violence against peaceful people, if they are braking a "law"?)
Or
2. You don't support violence against peaceful people, even if they are braking a "law"?
If you believe in #1 there will always be fear-mongering sociopaths that will seek to use the government to control people. You'll never ever get "there."
violence is the easy way to liberty, everyone knows that /sarcasm ::)
yeah, there were so many fuckin children hanging out in the park last saturday /sarcasm
the parents that walked by us, going to their cars after the Circus let out, seemed to approve of us being there smoking pot.
We were smoking pot. I can prove it. Maybe the Manchester Police have snotnoses and can't smell the weed. That's a damn shame, maybe they should just take a hit instead.
Today at 420 PM in Derry New Hampshire @ MacGregor Park (behind the Derry Public Library) Over 40 heads expected. Rain or shine, hope to see you there :)
Please post video so I can repost it to Free Keene. ;D
Quote from: ny2nh on October 08, 2009, 08:29 PM NHFT
How long have you lived in Manchester? It's not often that I hear about cops harassing people for smoking pot....especially if they are adults and are doing so in a place as to not affect others around them.
Maybe you live in a different Manchester.
I've been following the arrest log of MPD that gets posted in the Manchester Express every week. There are typically 15-20 arrests each week for possession charges, more than half are for pot/hashish.
We had a good turn out in Manchester, NH today.
Hopefully AntonLee will post some pics.
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Great pics Anton. Thanks for making the trip ;D
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