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Title: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 01, 2009, 10:37 PM NHFT
Tim Logsdon was sentenced to 10 years in prison this afternoon, eligible for parole in 6.5 years, according to his brother Tom.

Tom will let us know what Tim's mailing address is as soon as he knows. I've helped clear out his apartment for the last few days and gotten to know his family. Obviously, they are all in shock. Tom reports that Tim's lawyer said that the judge, who is a woman newly assigned to his case, was unusually harsh.

Tim had agreed to a plea bargain to save his wife and children the strain of a trial. His lawyer had advised him that he would get more time if he forced it to trial and he lost.

I don't know what else to say at this point - I'm a little numb from the experience.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: John on December 01, 2009, 10:45 PM NHFT
WOW!
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on December 01, 2009, 10:54 PM NHFT
 :o :o :o

So he agreed to plead guilty without any assurances about the sentence? Wow, his lawyer led him into a bear trap there!
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: error on December 01, 2009, 11:42 PM NHFT
Never, never, NEVER plead guilty. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Puke on December 02, 2009, 05:15 AM NHFT
Damn!  :(
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Friday on December 02, 2009, 06:28 AM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 01, 2009, 10:37 PM NHFT
Tim Logsdon was sentenced to 10 years in prison this afternoon, eligible for parole in 6.5 years, according to his brother Tom.

:o  Maybe this was covered on another thread, but... sentenced for what?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2009, 06:46 AM NHFT
Oh no!!
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2009, 06:50 AM NHFT
Receiving stolen property?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18119.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18119.0)
It sounds like all this was started by his wife getting a protection order.  He's so nice he wanted to protect his wife?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: ny2nh on December 02, 2009, 07:00 AM NHFT
The other thread says the charges were for receiving stolen property (2 gun frames that were taken at the time of the initial protective order that his wife filed for).

10 years for receiving stolen property? OK, even coming from me that seems unbelievably extreme. And that was with the plea bargain?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Viscid on December 02, 2009, 07:03 AM NHFT
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091202/GJNEWS_01/712029957 (http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091202/GJNEWS_01/712029957)
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2009, 07:20 AM NHFT
I've met child molesters and Tim never seemed like one....and believe me, I'm hyper sensitive to the signs.

People told Russell he should have fought his ex in court over custody and stuff. THIS kind of thing is why he didn't.  They can just make up shit.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: ny2nh on December 02, 2009, 07:28 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2009, 07:20 AM NHFT
I've met child molesters and Tim never seemed like one....and believe me, I'm hyper sensitive to the signs.

People told Russell he should have fought his ex in court over custody and stuff. THIS kind of thing is why he didn't.  They can just make up shit.

No comment.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 02, 2009, 08:09 AM NHFT
If he didn't do it, he should have never 'copped' to it, even if it meant dragging the wife and kids to court.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2009, 08:24 AM NHFT
Duh.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: LordBaltimore on December 02, 2009, 08:25 AM NHFT
QuoteIn a negotiated plea deal that reduced a possible sentence of 25 years to life, Logsdon admitted to touching his daughter's genitals and telling her to keep it a secret in exchange for promises of chocolates. The abuse began in July 2006 when the daughter was three and continued for two years, prosecutors said in Strafford County Superior Court.

Logsdon, 34, formerly of High Street, pleaded guilty to one charge of aggravated felonious sexual assault.

He pled guilty to a very explicit crime, for crap's sake.

But I guess in your minds he's an innocent victim since he didn't steal your power company bill money or something unforgivable like that.

Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: bigmike on December 02, 2009, 08:52 AM NHFT
Quote from: LordBaltimore on December 02, 2009, 08:25 AM NHFT
QuoteIn a negotiated plea deal that reduced a possible sentence of 25 years to life, Logsdon admitted to touching his daughter's genitals and telling her to keep it a secret in exchange for promises of chocolates. The abuse began in July 2006 when the daughter was three and continued for two years, prosecutors said in Strafford County Superior Court.

Logsdon, 34, formerly of High Street, pleaded guilty to one charge of aggravated felonious sexual assault.

He pled guilty to a very explicit crime, for crap's sake.

But I guess in your minds he's an innocent victim since he didn't steal your power company bill money or something unforgivable like that.

Just because he took the plea bargain that doesn't mean he admitted to the charge, that's just the way it's worded. Had Tim actually verbally admitted to doing this, the Union Leader would surely have included that quote.

Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2009, 09:03 AM NHFT
He said he took the plea because he wanted to spare his family a trial.  You wouldn't believe how much I hate child molesters.  I just don't think he's one.  Have YOU met him?  I've met his wife and thought she was a loon.  I obvoiusly couldn't know for sure what he's done or not done, just judging by what I know about people.  I'm guessing you have even less information than I have.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Mike Barskey on December 02, 2009, 09:21 AM NHFT
Just because a judge finds someone guilty doesn't mean they are; a judge found me guilty of something I was innocent of, so I know this first-hand. I also know first-hand that news media report many facts wrong.

I do not know whether Tim is guilty of touching his daughter's genitals, though I would guess he's innocent. I know the "justice" system and the media are not reliable (i.e., when something is important, I do my own research). Do you? I know Tim. Do you?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on December 02, 2009, 10:39 AM NHFT
A charge of a sex offense is a pretty big deal. Enough so that many really smart, compassionate people instantly stop thinking. If he has been caught on video murdering someone execution style, a jury might consider the case critically. But toss in an alligation of incest and brains slam shut.

Odds are, there would have been jurors, at hearing the charge, that convicted him in their minds before the prosecutor finished his opening arguements.

I don't know Tim very well. But I know the stigma placed on sex and I know how militant people get when something is "for the children". It's very possible that Tim plead to a serious crime he didn't commit to avoid being convicted of a crime he didn't commit and sentenced to life in prison.

Then again it's possible he did it. Incest thrives on secrecy and putting out false images. But one should still be asking, how does his being in a cage help the girl if he actually is guilty? (And as someone who was diddled by my parents, knowing how that impacted my personal development, I have to wonder if the damage to the girl isn't more in the heads of the adults in that court room than it is in her.)
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: John on December 02, 2009, 12:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kevin Dean on December 02, 2009, 10:39 AM NHFT, I have to wonder if the damage to the girl isn't more in the heads of the adults in that court room than it is in her.)



I have for many years wondered if the major impact of child molestation isn't the authority figures in the child's life telling teaching the child that their "innocents has been stolen", et al.
I think that those authority figures generally teach these children revenge, hatred and fear.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: lildog on December 02, 2009, 01:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 02, 2009, 09:03 AM NHFT
He said he took the plea because he wanted to spare his family a trial.

So it's better to put his family through not having him there for 10+ years if its something he didn't do?

I'm sorry but an innocent person would NEVER plea deal for something this serious.  Think about it, would you willingly give up 10 plus years of your life and get tied to a life long stigma of being a sex offender most likely never being able to hold a regular job, most likely never be able to see your kids or grand kids without supervision at best if you were innocent of what they accused you of?

No, if he plead his way in this I have to suspect he knew he was guilty as charged.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: lildog on December 02, 2009, 01:31 PM NHFT
Quote from: Mike Barskey on December 02, 2009, 09:21 AM NHFT
Just because a judge finds someone guilty doesn't mean they are; a judge found me guilty of something I was innocent of, so I know this first-hand. I also know first-hand that news media report many facts wrong.

From my reading of this story it isn't a case of the judge getting it wrong.  He plead guilty before any trial even took place.  Am I reading it wrong?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: MengerFan on December 02, 2009, 01:43 PM NHFT
There are two things I know for certain.

If he did it, this poor girl is going to be f'd up for the rest of her life after all of this trauma.

If he didn't do it, this poor girl is going to be f'd up for the rest of her life after all of this trauma.

Either way, the dude is going to be locked up and unable to pay for all the years of therapy she needs. Really seriously heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Friday on December 02, 2009, 02:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: LordBaltimore on December 02, 2009, 08:25 AM NHFT
QuoteIn a negotiated plea deal that reduced a possible sentence of 25 years to life, Logsdon admitted to touching his daughter's genitals and telling her to keep it a secret in exchange for promises of chocolates. The abuse began in July 2006 when the daughter was three and continued for two years, prosecutors said in Strafford County Superior Court.

Logsdon, 34, formerly of High Street, pleaded guilty to one charge of aggravated felonious sexual assault.

He pled guilty to a very explicit crime, for crap's sake.

But I guess in your minds he's an innocent victim since he didn't steal your power company bill money or something unforgivable like that.
Not sure who the "your" is addressed to in your post.

I have to agree with L'il Dog; what at-least-semi-normal, self-respecting man would ever, EVER, admit to the above if it (or worse) weren't true?  Which is not to say that the facts in the newspaper article may not be inaccurate, that locking him up for 10 years doesn't fix anything, yadda yadda.

I barely know Tim, and will never know what really happened, but this sure looks like some pretty fucked up shit right here. 
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 02, 2009, 02:57 PM NHFT
I wouldn't, even if it meant possible more time but, I'm not 34.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 02, 2009, 03:33 PM NHFT
I can fill in a few details, if that'll help...

First, Tim's brother Tom, who was present at the sentencing says (on Facebook):

QuoteThe article in fosters isn't 100% accurate. I don't think what he pleaded guilty to was what they said it was. Also, the statements were definitely not accurate. The reporter summarized what was said and bunched the worst of the stuff together. I suspect the Judge was grandstanding at the end to further her political career. The details of the accusations in the article was what the prosecution was claiming, not what he pleaded guilty to.

Note: Judge Marguerite Wageling is a "political" - she has run for some office, not sure which.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 02, 2009, 04:10 PM NHFT
Second, here's a little history that I know of (might not be totally accurate - I don't have all the dates and haven't read any of the court pleadings or reports, etc.):

Marriage difficulty - He: laid back, worked as technician at UNH, didn't earn enough for wife's liking, probably spent too much time and money on hobby interests. She: angry, yelling, criticizing constantly (per in-laws).

** [clue] Tim applies Doctor-prescribed lotion to young daughter's privates when wife refuses/doesn't want to. Daughter has some kind of rash or other issue.**

She (apparently getting some coaching) says she's going on a "vacation" with the kids. Ends up at an uncle's house in North Carolina (the Uncle hates Tim and has tried to cause problems for him before). Tim didn't know where she was with their kids for a while.

One day (months later) Tim gets served with a protective order, requiring him to give up his guns. Cops take guns.

Hearings on the protective order - wife has no grounds for the claim of being "in fear", judge dismisses protective order (I think). Tim has hearings to recover firearms, eventually wins.

Divorce libel filed sometime.

Wife moves back with her family of origin in New York State, where she lives with manipulative step-father who hates Tim also.

Tim not allowed to visit his kids. His mother is able to visit them a couple of times.

Some social worker involvement with interviewing the young daughter (again months after she takes off with kids).

Charges filed against Tim for one of his siezed firearm bodies (not a completed gun) being stolen, when in actuality, he purchased it from KT Ordnance. Tim has to defend himself against that - hearing was a couple of weeks ago, verdict awaited.

Tim arrested for the child molestation charges. Obtains court-appointed counsel, because by this time he's financially busted (fired from the job when the news hits the papers). Tim living off of his disability check (disabled Army veteran from Bosnia invasion/occupation).

Tim was advised re the best lawyer in New England for this type of case - retainer: $50,000. No one in his family could bear that cost, so he stayed with the court-appointed lawyer, who advises him if he doesn't take the plea offer, he'll lose the case and get 25 to life.

Feeling he had no other options, Tim accepts the advise of counsel, who walks through the case, negotiating plea deal with prosecution. Tim gets 30 days to wind up his affairs, has a "moving sale" and yesterday's hearing was day 31.

His lawyer says this judge was new on his case and was particularly harsh. Tim is sentenced and taken away... His brother is coming back to the state on Friday to finish cleaning up the house and get details of Tim's imprisonment. He may have a mailing address to give out then.

That's some of the pieces of this train wreck - others of you may know some clarifying points.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: AntonLee on December 02, 2009, 05:01 PM NHFT
pretty screwed up.  I'm curious as to what exactly he pled guilty of. . . was the charge child molestation or was it in relation to the stolen property?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 02, 2009, 05:41 PM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on December 02, 2009, 05:01 PM NHFT
pretty screwed up.  I'm curious as to what exactly he pled guilty of. . . was the charge child molestation or was it in relation to the stolen property?

The stolen property trial was a couple of weeks ago and there's a separate thread reporting about that. I think Tim had a lawyer for that and the judge hasn't rendered a verdict on that yet (I don't think).

Tuesday's hearing was on the child molestation charge. Don't quote me, but the charge was something like "touching, etc. for the purpose of sexual pleasure." I plan to go to the court and read the file at some point - maybe his brother will be able to state it clearly when I go over there Friday. Nobody seemed to be that clear on how the whole process works, which is kinda scary in itself.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Friday on December 02, 2009, 07:39 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kevin Dean on December 02, 2009, 10:39 AM NHFT
A charge of a sex offense is a pretty big deal. Enough so that many really smart, compassionate people instantly stop thinking. If he has been caught on video murdering someone execution style, a jury might consider the case critically. But toss in an alligation of incest and brains slam shut.

Odds are, there would have been jurors, at hearing the charge, that convicted him in their minds before the prosecutor finished his opening arguements.

I don't know Tim very well. But I know the stigma placed on sex and I know how militant people get when something is "for the children". It's very possible that Tim plead to a serious crime he didn't commit to avoid being convicted of a crime he didn't commit and sentenced to life in prison.

Then again it's possible he did it. Incest thrives on secrecy and putting out false images. But one should still be asking, how does his being in a cage help the girl if he actually is guilty? (And as someone who was diddled by my parents, knowing how that impacted my personal development, I have to wonder if the damage to the girl isn't more in the heads of the adults in that court room than it is in her.)
I'd like to discuss this further, but think that the TMI area is more appropriate.  I'm going to start a thread there; feel free to respond there (or not) if you'd like.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: lildog on December 02, 2009, 09:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 02, 2009, 04:10 PM NHFT** [clue] Tim applies Doctor-prescribed lotion to young daughter's privates when wife refuses/doesn't want to. Daughter has some kind of rash or other issue.**

...

Tim was advised re the best lawyer in New England for this type of case - retainer: $50,000. No one in his family could bear that cost, so he stayed with the court-appointed lawyer, who advises him if he doesn't take the plea offer, he'll lose the case and get 25 to life.

These two points are what strike me as odd.

If he was applying a lotion prescribed by a doctor then there is a paper trail showing this.  That alone should be enough to defend what he was accused of.

Regarding the 2nd point, as I said already, if I were innocent of a crime there would be no way on earth I would plea bargain to anything.  I would fight it tooth and nail and if found guilty and given 25 years or more I would continue to appeal every chance and every way I could.

Also regarding the 2nd point, for a lawyer to tell you that if you don't plea bargain you'll lose the case implies to me that there was some solid evidence against him.  I can't imagine any lawyer advising you to accept punishment if you told them you were innocent of the charge.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 03, 2009, 12:09 AM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on December 02, 2009, 09:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 02, 2009, 04:10 PM NHFT** [clue] Tim applies Doctor-prescribed lotion to young daughter's privates when wife refuses/doesn't want to. Daughter has some kind of rash or other issue.**

...

Tim was advised re the best lawyer in New England for this type of case - retainer: $50,000. No one in his family could bear that cost, so he stayed with the court-appointed lawyer, who advises him if he doesn't take the plea offer, he'll lose the case and get 25 to life.

These two points are what strike me as odd.

If he was applying a lotion prescribed by a doctor then there is a paper trail showing this.  That alone should be enough to defend what he was accused of.

Regarding the 2nd point, as I said already, if I were innocent of a crime there would be no way on earth I would plea bargain to anything.  I would fight it tooth and nail and if found guilty and given 25 years or more I would continue to appeal every chance and every way I could.

Also regarding the 2nd point, for a lawyer to tell you that if you don't plea bargain you'll lose the case implies to me that there was some solid evidence against him.  I can't imagine any lawyer advising you to accept punishment if you told them you were innocent of the charge.

Yep, easy for you to say... and, my version is necessarily brief and simplified for lack of knowing any more than what I wrote. I'll read the case file and see if there is more to it than that. A saying about the legal system: "We've got the best legal system that money can buy"... therefore we are in a system where 1/3 of the death row inmates in Illinois are found by DNA testing to be innocent and OJ can buy a half dozen lawyers and get off (I know... maybe he was framed, but it still took a bunch of $$ to get the not guilty verdict). If those Illinois defendants had had OJ's lawyers, they would never have been on death row (even the guilty ones).

In this real life case, if Tim had had the $50K entry fee, he could have had a chance - if not, he can have a court-appointed lawyer that's certainly no F.Lee Bailey and has to get on to the next poor doomed schmo when Tim's case is over. The lawyer advised Tim that he has seen a couple of dozen of these cases and they just can't win them. Sounds like the social climate of hysteria (whether the parties are guilty or not) leans the board to the guilty side and the legislature has put in some harsh sentencing statutes.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 03, 2009, 01:52 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 02, 2009, 08:09 AM NHFT
If he didn't do it, he should have never 'copped' to it, even if it meant dragging the wife and kids to court.
yea .... i don't get it
how do you plead guilty to this in court if you didn't do it?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 03, 2009, 01:57 AM NHFT
Quote from: LordBaltimore on December 02, 2009, 08:25 AM NHFT
But I guess in your minds he's an innocent victim since he didn't steal your power company bill money or something unforgivable like that.
who is "your"?
in my mind .... i doubt he did it
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 03, 2009, 02:07 AM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on December 02, 2009, 09:33 PM NHFT
Regarding the 2nd point, as I said already, if I were innocent of a crime there would be no way on earth I would plea bargain to anything.  I would fight it tooth and nail and if found guilty and given 25 years or more I would continue to appeal every chance and every way I could.

Also regarding the 2nd point, for a lawyer to tell you that if you don't plea bargain you'll lose the case implies to me that there was some solid evidence against him.  I can't imagine any lawyer advising you to accept punishment if you told them you were innocent of the charge.
i agree .... but i have met many people who plead guilty to stuff they didn't do

a lawyer working for the government would
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on December 03, 2009, 03:57 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 03, 2009, 01:52 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 02, 2009, 08:09 AM NHFT
If he didn't do it, he should have never 'copped' to it, even if it meant dragging the wife and kids to court.
yea .... i don't get it
how do you plead guilty to this in court if you didn't do it?

Ummm... like this?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 03, 2009, 02:07 AM NHFT
i agree .... but i have met many people who plead guilty to stuff they didn't do

I only know one sure thing about this case: everyone on this thread saying they would never make the plea that Tim made, has never been in the the situation Tim was in.

It wasn't just 10 years versus 25-to-life; it was putting his daughter on the stand to let his attorney destroy her and her testimony, versus hoping for a chance of a future relationship with her.

That's one helluva quandry. It's more than any keyboard komandos have ever faced.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 03, 2009, 07:16 AM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on December 02, 2009, 09:33 PM NHFT
If he was applying a lotion prescribed by a doctor then there is a paper trail showing this.  That alone should be enough to defend what he was accused of.
I thought about this. At 3 years couldn't one just squeeze some lotion n the kids finger and tell her to apply it to the infected area?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: lildog on December 03, 2009, 08:14 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on December 03, 2009, 03:57 AM NHFTIt wasn't just 10 years versus 25-to-life; it was putting his daughter on the stand to let his attorney destroy her and her testimony, versus hoping for a chance of a future relationship with her.

That's one helluva quandry. It's more than any keyboard komandos have ever faced.

And as a registered sex offender he may NEVER be allowed to see his daughter again.

After reading story after story about registered sex offenders having to live in tents because towns write laws kicking them out and knowing everything I know about the life they are put through I'm sorry but I cannot fathom any innocent person willingly accepting it as something they see as a lesser evil.  If you were innocent would you allow your entire life to be tossed away because someone working for the state and assigned to defend you tells you that you'll most likely lose so just give up?

Heck, isn't that why you all joined the free state project in the first place?  Because you feel it's worth fighting against a system that everyone else tells you is a lost cost and you should just give up and work with it rather then against it?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Sovereign Curtis on December 03, 2009, 08:28 AM NHFT
Sounds like Tim could have plead not guilty, and put the burden on the prosecution as to whether or not him applying his lotioned hand to her genitals, was for the purpose of sexual stimulation.

Sounds like it would have been pretty easy for the defense, "Your honor, My Client, ...lotion....rash....3y/o daughter....upstanding citizen".

however, it would have been pretty damn ugly once it was the prosecution's turn.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: cathleeninnh on December 03, 2009, 08:40 AM NHFT
This is just awful.

I was called a couple of weeks ago by a woman identifying herself as his public defender. I did not know the charges. She asked for a letter of character. Not knowing him well or the charges, I asked my public defender son in law for advice. He said that meant there was already a finding of guilty and the letter would be for sentencing. Not knowing the charges would give strength to the letter. I called the woman back and left a message that I was willing to write such a letter. She never called me back.

I know that people everyday plead guilty to things they did not do. The threats are very powerful. I know this first hand. Believe me. I heard a lawyer say" I would love to take this to trial, but the odds are strongly against you. You decide" A guilty finding after a trial can lead to a sentencing 10 times longer. Maybe sometimes it is known what the plea bargain sentence is, but not in my experience. Sounds like here, Tim might have been told "I will try to get you 3, which is far better than 25"

I wonder, did he know when pleading that he would be a sex offender for life and those consequences?

I also know how far parents will go to spare their children pain and suffering. This may take the cake. 

Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: LordBaltimore on December 03, 2009, 09:13 AM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 02, 2009, 04:10 PM NHFT** [clue] Tim applies Doctor-prescribed lotion to young daughter's privates when wife refuses/doesn't want to. Daughter has some kind of rash or other issue.**

If this were true, all he had to do was put the doctor on the stand and ask if he prescribed the lotion for her privates.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on December 03, 2009, 10:34 AM NHFT
QuoteI have for many years wondered if the major impact of child molestation isn't the authority figures in the child's life telling teaching the child that their "innocents has been stolen", et al.
I think that those authority figures generally teach these children revenge, hatred and fear.

QuoteI'd like to discuss this further, but think that the TMI area is more appropriate.  I'm going to start a thread there; feel free to respond there (or not) if you'd like.

John, my personal experience is somewhat like you say. Friday was interested in my perspective on this as well, and the thread has been started. http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19688.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19688.0)

QuoteSounds like it would have been pretty easy for the defense, "Your honor, My Client, ...lotion....rash....3y/o daughter....upstanding citizen".

I will say this... The fact that he's offering explanations sends up red flags to me. There's also something in the article (and I take it with a grain of salt) that he offered her chocolate to keep it quiet. I don't know how much of this is true but it's a bit concerning.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: tony on December 03, 2009, 11:21 AM NHFT

Quote
I will say this... The fact that he's offering explanations sends up red flags to me. There's also something in the article (and I take it with a grain of salt) that he offered her chocolate to keep it quiet. I don't know how much of this is true but it's a bit concerning.

3 yo cries  -maybe in pain. Lotion applied. Father soothing the child - offers chocolate. etc.
We do not know enough what happen. All I know we can not rely on court proceeding as objective truth.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 03, 2009, 11:57 AM NHFT
Having been through one of thise trials, it's perfectly reasonable to want to spare your child the experience.  :(
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: MengerFan on December 03, 2009, 12:06 PM NHFT
The daughter is stuck with the mother for the next fifteen years. I really hope she is not a psychopath who makes up sick allegations against people for no reason.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: bigmike on December 03, 2009, 12:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on December 03, 2009, 08:14 AM NHFT

Heck, isn't that why you all joined the free state project in the first place?  Because you feel it's worth fighting against a system that everyone else tells you is a lost cost and you should just give up and work with it rather then against it?

This is something that troubles me about this news as well.

To me, it's not just about the activism. It's about the risk I face by being prepared to sacrifice my liberty in order to advance it for others.

Not everyone is willing to make the sacrifice of refusing to pay a fine, but waiving rights should never be an option just to make things easier for ourselves. Especially in the liberty movement.

The article stated Tim, by accepting the plea agreement, waived his right to a sentence review that could have reduced his sentence.  This is in addition to the rights he already waived when accepting the plea, which can be read here in case you've never seen this form before

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/forms/nhjb-2334-s.pdf (http://www.courts.state.nh.us/forms/nhjb-2334-s.pdf)

I can't second guess his decision, it was his choice to make it. But there's also something to be said about waiving one's rights to make things easier for themselves, and hopefully others learn this lesson.

The people that offer "the deal" do not represent the party they offer it to. Who, then, are they really making things easier for? Let that sink in.

I had the opportunity to meet Tim only a handful of times, but I spoke with him a bit prior to my moving here regarding his stolen property case. My impression is that he could not have committed these acts he was accused of and I hope he makes good use of his time coming and returns back to us safely.



Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 03, 2009, 12:32 PM NHFT
Quote from: Sovereign Curtis on December 03, 2009, 08:28 AM NHFT
Sounds like Tim could have plead not guilty, and put the burden on the prosecution as to whether or not him applying his lotioned hand to her genitals, was for the purpose of sexual stimulation.

Sounds like it would have been pretty easy for the defense, "Your honor, My Client, ...lotion....rash....3y/o daughter....upstanding citizen".

however, it would have been pretty damn ugly once it was the prosecution's turn.

I'm not saying that was the prosecution's evidence. They apparently have more, but in these cases, that evidence is social worker testimony of an interview with a child, many months after the alleged incidents. So to impeach the social worker, the child and expert witnesses and all kinds of other stuff has to be brought into play, hence the $50K entry level with the lawyer competent to win these cases.

I got the lotion story from Tim and his sis-in-law, Not as the whole story, but as 1 clue.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 03, 2009, 12:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: cathleeninnh on December 03, 2009, 08:40 AM NHFT
... I asked my public defender son in law for advice. He said that meant there was already a finding of guilty and the letter would be for sentencing.
...
I heard a lawyer say" I would love to take this to trial, but the odds are strongly against you. You decide" A guilty finding after a trial can lead to a sentencing 10 times longer. Maybe sometimes it is known what the plea bargain sentence is, but not in my experience. Sounds like here, Tim might have been told "I will try to get you 3, which is far better than 25"

I wonder, did he know when pleading that he would be a sex offender for life and those consequences?

I also know how far parents will go to spare their children pain and suffering. This may take the cake.

Yes, yes, yes and yes
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 03, 2009, 12:55 PM NHFT
Do let us know when you have an address for Tim.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: lildog on December 03, 2009, 01:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: bigmike on December 03, 2009, 12:21 PM NHFTThe article stated Tim, by accepting the plea agreement, waived his right to a sentence review that could have reduced his sentence.  This is in addition to the rights he already waived when accepting the plea, which can be read here in case you've never seen this form before

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/forms/nhjb-2334-s.pdf (http://www.courts.state.nh.us/forms/nhjb-2334-s.pdf)

Mike you raise another question in my mind with this statement.  He plead guilty and waved his rights. 

If he simply wanted to hope for lesser punishment and skip an expensive trial and save his family the hardship then why did he not instead plead no contest?  That allows the trail to be skipped and allows you to accept punishment without your admitting to guilt you are innocent of.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: K. Darien Freeheart on December 03, 2009, 01:56 PM NHFT
What he pled doesn't really matter to me. Some conditions of plea deals eliminate those. It's very possible they told him the plea was only good if he pled guilty.

Plea bargains suck. Probation sucks. Bond and bail suck. All of them allow the state to impose additional restrictions on you.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: bigmike on December 03, 2009, 02:06 PM NHFT
Kevin is probably right Lildog. I doubt he was offered the opportunity to plead no contest. It usually is a take-it-or-leave-it deal.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 03, 2009, 04:47 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 03, 2009, 12:55 PM NHFT
Do let us know when you have an address for Tim.

May have something tomorrow. His brother will be back in town to finish cleaning out the apartment and to talk to the prison to get these type of details.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Mike Barskey on December 03, 2009, 05:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 03, 2009, 12:55 PM NHFT
Do let us know when you have an address for Tim.

Yes, please. I'll try to continue checking this thread, but if you could also email his mailing address in prison to admin@mail-to-jail.com I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Friday on December 03, 2009, 07:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on December 02, 2009, 09:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 02, 2009, 04:10 PM NHFT** [clue] Tim applies Doctor-prescribed lotion to young daughter's privates when wife refuses/doesn't want to. Daughter has some kind of rash or other issue.**

...

Tim was advised re the best lawyer in New England for this type of case - retainer: $50,000. No one in his family could bear that cost, so he stayed with the court-appointed lawyer, who advises him if he doesn't take the plea offer, he'll lose the case and get 25 to life.

These two points are what strike me as odd.

If he was applying a lotion prescribed by a doctor then there is a paper trail showing this.  That alone should be enough to defend what he was accused of.

Excellent point.

I was thinking about this, too, and thinking that I've been a girl a good long time now, and I'm not aware of any medicinal lotions that need to be applied to the genitals other than those relating to adult female hormones.  Oh wait, I just thought of another kind of lotion that gets applied to the genitals, but that idea is so horrible I'm going to stop thinking about it now.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 03, 2009, 07:42 PM NHFT
Gak, geez Friday!
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: AntonLee on December 04, 2009, 03:26 AM NHFT
really?  I remember my mother AND father both applying vaseline to my genitals during a period where I got a really bad rash as a child.  I was really really overweight and had a lot of rubbing between my legs and to be honest I couldn't reach where it needed to go.  I must have been under 12 years old, maybe when I was 8 or 9 it's hard to remember.

I know, good story right, but in all seriousness, can someone really be put in jail for something like that?  I know I would never convict a man for applying ointment to a child's genital area for a medical purpose.   At the same time, I can't see myself pleading guilty over something like that either. 

I can't see myself pleading guilty on anything anymore however.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on December 04, 2009, 10:52 AM NHFT
Having had a couple of boys who didn't really take to potty training until the age of 3, and one in particular who was prone to nasty diapers, I can testify that I have smeared great quantities of salve on nether regions. Mostly Boudreaux's Butt Paste, but there were others too; some of them doctor-recommended.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: RattyDog on December 04, 2009, 01:22 PM NHFT
If my spouse turned crazy and ran off on me and turned my kids against me...I would have lost just about everything I have in the world that is precious to me. The only things I'd have left in all the world is my good name and the fact that my kids know I love them....I would fight for those things, the last things I had left on this earth, until the day I died...be that in a prison cell or out in the world.

I "get" that he wanted to spare his kid a trial and I "get" that he took the lesser sentence...but I can't understand what reason I would have for wanting to be out of jail and "free" if I could never see my kids again and if, for the rest of their lives, my children would be force fed the idea (unchallenged) that I victimized them for sexual enjoyment. I just....I would never, ever let that happen. I would never accept that sort of deal, I would sit in prison trying to do anything I could to fight my conviction...I would sit and wait for them to turn 18, in hopes that I could maybe send them a letter, try to spell out what happened and the fact that I never hurt them....anything, maybe hang myself, I don't know. I don't know how it would be to live in a jail for the rest of my life....but I do know this:

There are many things I could do, many things I could endure, to avoid life in prison. I could NEVER do anything that would solidify my crazy spouses assertion that I was an abusive monster...I would consider that an act of betrayal against my kids.

All that being said.....

1. The events leading up to all of this are VERY suspicious...especially if the wife really is nutso.

2. I know of quite a few reasons why a doctor would prescribe a salve which needed to be applied to a child's vulva...and can think of a couple of GOOD reasons why an adult would want to supervise that application!

3. He wouldn't be the first person to be 100% screwed over by a public defender who "didn't have the time" or inclination to give an innocent man a fair shake...


Sigh. I don't know what's worse...this poor little girl really having been victimized by her father and her father only getting a ten year sentence for doing such a thing...or this poor little girl having a loony toons mom and a sane, kind hearted father who can't save her from the mother because he;s in jail for something he didn't do.

But yeah. In most all scenarios I can understand the "don't judge him unless you have been in his situation" idea...but in this case, I know what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't let my kids believe I did that to them, heavens knows that this woman is going to put that into their heads forever, that their father is a bastard who hurt them. But I would never cop to it. I would never cop to doing something so freakin' bad....if I knew that either way I'd never get to see my kids again...it wouldn't really matter that I was going to be in jail. I'd rather be in jail for life and remain solid in my proclamation of innocence....than out of jail in ten years and have my kids think I admitted to it - cementing what their mother, no doubt, is telling them.

And besides...without your family there for you...what kind of life is really there for a guy in this kind of situation? The stigma of a sex crime conviction hanging over you for the rest of your life...overcoming and turning back the kind of changes one no doubt goes through in adjusting to life in prison. Where do you work after that? What kind of romantic life could you hope to have, you HAVE to tell women you date that you're a convicted offender...you know? I would never plead guilty to hurting my kids if I didn't....especially considering that living the life of a convicted sex offender in jail for ten years and then for life after getting out was as good as it gets.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: BillKauffman on December 04, 2009, 02:01 PM NHFT
Amen sister!

Why didn't he go for the second best or hundredth best attorney rather than a public defender?

Were the terms of the plea bargain that the evidence against him can never be made public?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: ny2nh on December 04, 2009, 02:05 PM NHFT
I've never needed a public defender.....but I would think you could request a different one if the one you have thinks an innocent person should just plead guilty to such a horrible crime and basically ruin the rest of his life.

What initially struck me odd was that all the online talk was about how he was getting screwed over in the receiving stolen property case.....right up until he went to jail. Not a word recently about how he was getting screwed by the system because his public defender just wanted him to plead guilty. I would think I would be creaming from roof tops trying to get someone to help me if I were innocent.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: lildog on December 04, 2009, 02:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: RattyDog on December 04, 2009, 01:22 PM NHFTI don't know what's worse...this poor little girl really having been victimized by her father and her father only getting a ten year sentence for doing such a thing...or this poor little girl having a loony toons mom and a sane, kind hearted father who can't save her from the mother because he;s in jail for something he didn't do.

That about sums it up right there.

Any way you look at it the little girl comes out the loser in the story and that's something I think we can all agree on.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: cathleeninnh on December 04, 2009, 02:52 PM NHFT
I don't see where the public defender advised him to plead guilty. We don't know that, do we?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 04, 2009, 04:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: RattyDog on December 04, 2009, 01:22 PM NHFT
If my spouse turned crazy and ran off on me and turned my kids against me...I would have lost just about everything I have in the world that is precious to me. The only things I'd have left in all the world is my good name and the fact that my kids know I love them....I would fight for those things, the last things I had left on this earth, until the day I died...be that in a prison cell or out in the world.
It took me a couple of years after my exwife kicked me out to realize that I shouldn't be cooperating with her. I wanted to do anything to win her back and be with my kids. Now I realize I shouldn't have gone along with any of it from the start.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: RattyDog on December 04, 2009, 05:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 04, 2009, 04:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: RattyDog on December 04, 2009, 01:22 PM NHFT
If my spouse turned crazy and ran off on me and turned my kids against me...I would have lost just about everything I have in the world that is precious to me. The only things I'd have left in all the world is my good name and the fact that my kids know I love them....I would fight for those things, the last things I had left on this earth, until the day I died...be that in a prison cell or out in the world.
It took me a couple of years after my exwife kicked me out to realize that I shouldn't be cooperating with her. I wanted to do anything to win her back and be with my kids. Now I realize I shouldn't have gone along with any of it from the start.

Yeah...I don't know tons about your situation but I do know you were "taken for a ride" by your ex and her shenanigans, to say the least. I'm sorry for that. I hate that so many kids end up being used as bargaining chips and tools for punishment in situations where divorce is the only option left for two people.


The only thing sicker than the fact that some people can molest children...is that some people think it's even remotely okay to try and pin such a terrible, terrible false accusation on someone who hasn't done that. I really sincerely hope that he hasn't hurt his daughter like that...I look at my toddler and wonder how it's possible that someone could see a sexually attractive being in a baby....three is just a baby. :(
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 04, 2009, 10:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: cathleeninnh on December 04, 2009, 02:52 PM NHFT
I don't see where the public defender advised him to plead guilty. We don't know that, do we?

As I understand it, the PD advised him that he could fight it (the heavier charge), but that he didn't have a good chance (kind of a "no chance in hell, nobody ever wins these things "with that kind of social worker report"). Losing that case was a mandatory 25 years up to life sentence. I admit I haven't read the social worker report - that's why I want to read the court file. I hope it's in there.

OR, he could plead to a lesser charge and get maybe 6 or 8 years. It looks like it's a mandatory minimum of 10 years, with up to 30 years (I admit I haven't read the statutes) and a chance of parole after 6 1/2 years.

He felt the only reasonable choice was to plead to the lesser charge and hope he could have some kind of relationship with his kids when he got out. During the last couple of months, he had become resigned to that decision. The people from the fathers' group thought he should fight it tooth and nail, too. He withdrew from that conversation after a short bit, I think because they weren't really walking in his shoes...
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: cathleeninnh on December 06, 2009, 03:04 PM NHFT
That is what I figured, Jack. I don't see any reason to be critical of a public defender willing to fight it but being realistic with the client.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 06, 2009, 11:12 PM NHFT
I think the PD was willing to fight it, but he wouldn't be any F. Lee Bailey on the budget he'd get. I believe the maximum he can get out of Tim is $3000 (according to Tim's brother, Tom). The balance of his fees probably come out of some county fund, so not sure what they'd allow him for a budget. It looks to me like, by using a PD, you're getting a service that'll catch any glaring wrongs, but won't really get you a sterling defense. I haven't met the lawyer or talked to him, though. I'll try to at some point.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 06, 2009, 11:18 PM NHFT
According to Tom, here's the address to use when writing:

Timothy Logsdon
Inmate #84576
P.O. Box 14
Concord, New Hampshire 03302-0014

Tom just got the address at the end of the day Friday and no one's tested it yet to see if it gets through. I DO know that people in jail or prison DO like to receive mail, so, if you know Tim, I'm sure he'd appreciate a letter (no more than 20 pages per Tom).

He was not able to bring any money in or have his money go into his commisary account, so had to turn that over to his brother. Money orders can be mailed to him - I'm not sure if they have to go to another address or not.

He is in the State Prison in Concord - details at: http://nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/concord.html (http://nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/concord.html)
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 06, 2009, 11:23 PM NHFT
Oh, yeah, Tim can't have visitors yet - Tom said for 30 days. The web site says:
QuoteVisits will be allowed after the offender is released from a mandatory quarantine period. This may take up - 21 days.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 06, 2009, 11:35 PM NHFT
There is an FAQ page at: http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/faq.html (http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/faq.html) which has all the information about visting, etc. It also notes:
QuoteInmates cannot receive regular visits until the quarantine period is completed, which is approximately 3-4 weeks after admission.

It also says:
QuoteAddress the letter as follows:

    Inmate Name
    Inmate Identification Number
    Institution/Facility name
    Address
    City, State, Zip Code

So the address should be:

   Timothy Logsdon
   Inmate #84576
   State Prison for Men
   P.O. Box 14
   Concord, New Hampshire 03302-0014
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 06, 2009, 11:45 PM NHFT
Here's the visiting policy: http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/documents/7-09_Visiting.pdf (http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/documents/7-09_Visiting.pdf)
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 07, 2009, 09:45 AM NHFT
The more I learn about Tim's case, the more it really smells. I learned over the weekend that:

He was given 1.5 hours to decide whether or not to accept the plea deal originally.

His attorney did get the prosecution to take 1 more day and presented a counter-offer, which, after some negotiation, the state accepted.

There was an expectation that there was a possibility of a reduced sentence in the 3-15 year range, with the hope of getting out in 2.5 years. I don't quite know the details of this because Tom wasn't really clear on how the system works or what the various terms meant.

Tim was researching how to defend against "false memory" used as testimony. This is likely one of the kinds of things a good lawyer would go after, using expert witness psychologists, etc. ($$).

I don't believe Tim's lawyer ever used the defense that he was applying medication to his daughter's private area. I was shocked when I heard that, but I think I'm going to have to confirm that somehow.

I understand why Tim wasn't as public about this case as the gun case because there is so much shame associated with sex crimes. I did find someone whom he disclosed his whole story to and he did proclaim his complete innocence to that party.

I learned more about all the family dynamics, a hateful (step)father-in-law who pledged his last dime to "get Tim", a younger brother who turned against him, an uncle who harbored and coached Tim's wife, MaryLisa. A very bad scene to be in, and, after having been smeared by the newspaper coverage of the arrest and having that hanging over him, he was fired from his job and couldn't get another, hence couldn't afford anything more than the public defender.

It really appears that he was just grist for the mill of divorce weaponry and child welfare hysteria. It was a machine that didn't really care if he did it or not, but just presumed he was guilty and tried to crush him in every way it could between the cold, insensitive gears.

"Best legal system money can buy."
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 07, 2009, 04:58 PM NHFT
That really sucks.  :-\
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 07, 2009, 10:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 07, 2009, 04:58 PM NHFT
That really sucks.  :-\

No kidding! Friggin' stunning and heartbreaking...

If anyone wants to learn how the criminalegal system works, you're invited to join me in a trip over to Dover Superior Court to review the file. I haven't set a day yet.

It could be pretty enlightening.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 08, 2009, 06:37 AM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 07, 2009, 09:45 AM NHFTA very bad scene to be in, and, after having been smeared by the newspaper coverage of the arrest and having that hanging over him, he was fired from his job and couldn't get another, hence couldn't afford anything more than the public defender.

It really appears that he was just grist for the mill of divorce weaponry and child welfare hysteria. It was a machine that didn't really care if he did it or not, but just presumed he was guilty and tried to crush him in every way it could between the cold, insensitive gears.

"Best legal system money can buy."
i can't imagine what it is like to be considered by the system as the worst sort of person .... so many people then believe it before you are even convicted by their rotten courts

it seems the best way to combat them is get your story out and not cooperate with them

i guess tim will now be starting all over
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Sovereign Curtis on December 08, 2009, 10:13 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 08, 2009, 06:37 AM NHFT
i guess tim will now be starting all over

Shit! If ONLY that was an option. No, if/when Tim gets out, he wont be starting over at square one. He'll be dragging a dead weight, up hill, for the rest of his life. If he can get to square one, ever, it will be quite the accomplishment.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 11, 2009, 08:41 AM NHFT
Got a call from Tim from prison yesterday and he's doing okay, given the circumstances. He has some money in his commissary and phone accounts from the proceeds of his moving sale, so he's okay there for a month or so.

He has a few special requests and I'll post a more lengthy list later. First, of course, prisoners love mail and Tim would be cheered to hear from people who know him.

The mailing address can be shortened to:

Timothy Logsdon #84576
NHDOC
P.O. Box 14
Concord, New-Hampshire 03302-0014

He'd love a subscription to the New Hampshire Free Press, Kat, if you are still publishing a print edition.

I'll post more later...
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 11, 2009, 09:20 AM NHFT
Tim is still in the quarantine stage and can't get visitors yet. He'll get assigned to an area in Concord or possibly get sent up to Berlin. He'll know his visiting days then and will report that out.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 11, 2009, 06:24 PM NHFT
I asked Tim if he got major hassles from the other prisoners because of the kind of crime he is in there for. He said the first day he got some hassles, but he got moved somewhere else and his neighbors there don't hassle him.

To add money to Tim's phone account, you go to www.icsdeposits.com (http://www.icsdeposits.com) (I haven't checked that out yet).

He couldn't stay on too long when he called because he had to make another call. He says he is only allowed out of his cell for an hour a day...

If you write to Tim, be sure to send him some interesting articles to read. He won't have internet access - maybe not for the whole duration of his incarceration. He is allowed 10 pages with each letter, so you should write front and back and fill up the envelope with interesting info that is also front and back. I'm sure he'll be interested in doing a lot of reading. He'll have nothing but time on his hands.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 12, 2009, 07:05 AM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 11, 2009, 08:41 AM NHFT
He'd love a subscription to the New Hampshire Free Press, Kat, if you are still publishing a print edition.

That was my purpose in asking for his address :)  We're doing a print edition first of January.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 13, 2009, 04:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 12, 2009, 07:05 AM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 11, 2009, 08:41 AM NHFT
He'd love a subscription to the New Hampshire Free Press, Kat, if you are still publishing a print edition.

That was my purpose in asking for his address :)  We're doing a print edition first of January.

Good. Individuals can't mail him a book or magazine, but you can subscribe him to a magazine or order him a book, and, as long as it's mailed in from a publisher, I believe it's okay.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 17, 2009, 11:30 PM NHFT
Christmas is just a week away - That must be a really bad time to be in prison, especially since Tim may still be in quarantine.

I think this would be a good time to send Tim a Christmas (or other seasonal) card. Reminder on his address:

Timothy Logsdon #84576
NHDOC
P.O. Box 14
Concord, New-Hampshire 03302-0014
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Dave Ridley on December 19, 2009, 12:55 AM NHFT

One thought regarding the public defender in this case, Claire Adams:  She seemed at least somewhat diligent to me because she wrote me an e-mail requesting a character letter, and Cathleen....maybe many others.   She also was quick to respond to my questions...

I've heard some relative good things about the NHPD's  and the way their operations are set up.   That's about all I know for sure except how tim comported himself around us.   
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on December 19, 2009, 10:01 AM NHFT
Speaking of the kinds of outrageous false convictions that might prompt someone to plead guilty, I just bought Witch Hunt on iTunes and watched it last night.

http://www.witchhuntmovie.com/ (http://www.witchhuntmovie.com/)

>:(
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 19, 2009, 12:44 PM NHFT
Dave, were you talking to the PD as a reporter? or as a character witness for Tim?

Also, are you sure that was the PD for the child sexual abuse case? I recall him mentioning the lawyers name as a guy. Maybe Claire Adams represented him in the gun case... Just curious.

Quote from: DadaOrwell on December 19, 2009, 12:55 AM NHFT

One thought regarding the public defender in this case, Claire Adams:  She seemed at least somewhat diligent to me because she wrote me an e-mail requesting a character letter, and Cathleen....maybe many others.   She also was quick to respond to my questions...

I've heard some relative good things about the NHPD's  and the way their operations are set up.   That's about all I know for sure except how tim comported himself around us.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 20, 2009, 01:41 PM NHFT
Christmas is just 5 days away - That must be a really bad time to be in prison, especially since Tim may still be in quarantine.

I think this would be a good time to send Tim a Christmas (or other seasonal) card (Tim is Southern Baptist).

The way I look at it, what would I hope people on the outside would do for me if I was in his situation? Letters bring something new and bright into the prisoner's drab and often quite boring world and let him know that he mattered, was noticed, was heard, was appreciated when he was on the outside among us. In case you want to shy away because of what he was accused of, remember that he has protested his innocence and just did not have the resources to "prove his innocence."

Reminder on his address:

Timothy Logsdon #84576
NHDOC
P.O. Box 14
Concord, New-Hampshire 03302-0014
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: lildog on December 21, 2009, 10:32 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on December 19, 2009, 10:01 AM NHFT
Speaking of the kinds of outrageous false convictions that might prompt someone to plead guilty, I just bought Witch Hunt on iTunes and watched it last night.

http://www.witchhuntmovie.com/ (http://www.witchhuntmovie.com/)

>:(

KB, Interesting movie, I will definitely check it out.

Having seen it already perhaps you can answer one question I had from reading the information on the website about it, how many of those who were wrongly convicted pledge guilty vs were found guilty?  The review sounds like the cases they discuss were all people who fought and were convicted anyway.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on December 22, 2009, 03:26 AM NHFT
Quote from: lildog on December 21, 2009, 10:32 AM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on December 19, 2009, 10:01 AM NHFT
Speaking of the kinds of outrageous false convictions that might prompt someone to plead guilty, I just bought Witch Hunt on iTunes and watched it last night.

http://www.witchhuntmovie.com/ (http://www.witchhuntmovie.com/)

>:(

KB, Interesting movie, I will definitely check it out.

Having seen it already perhaps you can answer one question I had from reading the information on the website about it, how many of those who were wrongly convicted pledge guilty vs were found guilty?  The review sounds like the cases they discuss were all people who fought and were convicted anyway.

Yes, they were all innocent people who believed in the system to acquit them because they were innocent.

That was over 20 years ago, and people in general (and liberty activists in particular) are much more jaded about the "justice" system.
Title: Re: HELP THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA INNOCENCE PROJECT
Post by: MTPorcupine3 on December 23, 2009, 08:45 AM NHFT
So the film is a project of the California Innocence Project. Is there an analogous New Hampshire Innocence Project?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 23, 2009, 09:41 AM NHFT
Just learned from Tim's brother, Tom that Tim has been moved to the new State Prison in Berlin. The new address he posted on Tim's Facebook pages is:

Timothy Logsdon #84576
138 East Milan Road
Berlin, NH 03570

The Berlin joint is called Northern NH Correctional Facility - here's their web page: http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/berlin.html (http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/berlin.html)

Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 23, 2009, 09:48 AM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 23, 2009, 09:41 AM NHFT
...

Timothy Logsdon #84576
138 East Milan Road
Berlin, NH 03570


Hmm, the FAQ page for the joint says the address should include the name of the institution (like there would be anything else at that address?), so to be on the safe side, the address should probably be shown as:

Timothy Logsdon #84576
Northern  NH Correctional Facility
138 East Milan Road
Berlin, NH 03570
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 23, 2009, 04:54 PM NHFT
Tim phoned and confirmed he was moved today. He spend 3 hours shackeled and cuffed in a crowded prisoner transport van, but is now in "H pod" in Berlin.

This means that he is out of quarantine and he'll be able to receive visitors now. The process of getting on his visitor list is described on the FAQ page for the institution. There is a form that he's hoping we can scan in so anyone can print one out. Maybe that'll become available on Mail-to-Jail. I'll talk to the Barskey on that once we get our hands on the form. It has to be sent to Tim and he has to submit it to the man.

He has money for paper, pens and postage for a while, but it's always a good idea to send him $5 or $10 when you write. Money order is the best way to go, since they hold checks for clearance. The money order has to have info on the face of it per the instructions on the institution's FAQ page: http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/berlin.html. (http://www.nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/berlin.html.)

Tim's a Free Talk Live AMPlifier, but he doesn't request any special announcement on the show yet. He wants to write something up describing the whole case and submit that to be read on the show.

He says he doesn't know of any ruling on his gun case yet - that was at Dover District Court. Maybe some of us interested in following the legal side of things could go over and find out what's up there (or just phone). Any volunteer? It's State v. Timothy Logsdon.

He's going to check out what books and magazines are available in the library, but I know prisoners like magazine subscriptions. He'll let me know which ones he'd like after he checks out the resources there. I'm planning to get him a sub to a recumbent/trike publication (don't tell Tim).

No one can call in or email him, but if you'd like for him to give you a call, write him with your phone number and include a MO for $5 or so, since calls cost him $0.15/min. I know I'm having a hard time getting back into writing a regular old letter. Emailing and forum posting is just so easy and quick - they're not that concerned with making things convenient for him.  :(
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 23, 2009, 04:59 PM NHFT
Dave, I got to the bottom of the lawyer issue for Tim. His lawyer for both cases is David Bettencourt with the Public Defender's office and Claire Adams is an investigator for the attorney.

Looks like it would be the Dover office here: http://www.nhpd.org/officelocations.htm (http://www.nhpd.org/officelocations.htm)

Quote from: jaqeboy on December 19, 2009, 12:44 PM NHFT
Dave, were you talking to the PD as a reporter? or as a character witness for Tim?

Also, are you sure that was the PD for the child sexual abuse case? I recall him mentioning the lawyers name as a guy. Maybe Claire Adams represented him in the gun case... Just curious.

Quote from: DadaOrwell on December 19, 2009, 12:55 AM NHFT

One thought regarding the public defender in this case, Claire Adams:  She seemed at least somewhat diligent to me because she wrote me an e-mail requesting a character letter, and Cathleen....maybe many others.   She also was quick to respond to my questions...

I've heard some relative good things about the NHPD's  and the way their operations are set up.   That's about all I know for sure except how tim comported himself around us.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Pat McCotter on December 23, 2009, 05:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 23, 2009, 04:54 PM NHFT
No one can call in or email him, but if you'd like for him to give you a call, write him with your phone number and include a MO for $5 or so, since calls cost him $0.15/min. I know I'm having a hard time getting back into writing a regular old letter. Emailing and forum posting is just so easy and quick - they're not that concerned with making things convenient for him.  :(

Pssst! Jack!

http://www.mail-to-jail.com/ (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/)
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 24, 2009, 02:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on December 23, 2009, 05:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: jaqeboy on December 23, 2009, 04:54 PM NHFT
No one can call in or email him, but if you'd like for him to give you a call, write him with your phone number and include a MO for $5 or so, since calls cost him $0.15/min. I know I'm having a hard time getting back into writing a regular old letter. Emailing and forum posting is just so easy and quick - they're not that concerned with making things convenient for him.  :(

Pssst! Jack!

http://www.mail-to-jail.com/ (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/)

Thanks, Pat - I'm keeping Barskey updated first. I'm writing Tim with one of them old-fashioned inky things ... whadya call it? Oh, yeah a pen.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 26, 2009, 09:57 PM NHFT
Tim phoned on Christmas eve and he's getting to know the lay of the land in the new joint:

He's in H Pod, but doesn't have a room yet. He's sleeping in the day room where there are about 10 bunks (hard to believe this new prison is filled and over-crowded already). He says it's even more crowded in the gym, where there are about 50 people sleeping each night.

He'll be able to work in the Hobby Shop and build things, so he's happy about that, though it might be 6 months before he can get in. If he makes things that can be sold from the prison store (presumably Corrections Creations), the joint takes 12% and he gets the balance of the proceeds. He'd like to receive prints (plans) and articles for things he could build for friends. He can receive 10 sheets total at a time in an envelope, so if you send him 1 sheet of a letter (front and back) you can send him 18 more pages of stuff - 9 sheets with impressions front and back. He'll be able to get binders and folders to keep stuff organized. He's already made one order from the store.

He's going to apply for a job in both the Hobby Shop and the Furniture Shop. In that case, he'll be able to work in there longer each day (3 hrs/day otherwise). He has to buy all materials, so he requests catalogs be subscribed to for him, so he has ideas where to purchase things.

If he works at one of the prison shops, he can only earn something like $2/day, so that's one reason he's anxious to make stuff in the Hobby Shop for sale on the outside.

I wished him the happiest holiday season, given the circumstances. He's pretty much accepted his situation and doesn't complain about it.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 26, 2009, 10:02 PM NHFT
Btw, Tim's blog from before is here: http://defenderofliberty.blogspot.com/ (http://defenderofliberty.blogspot.com/)

Maybe we can come up with a way to update it, if he sends out what he wants to appear there.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on December 28, 2009, 12:49 AM NHFT
Quote from: LordBaltimore on December 02, 2009, 08:25 AM NHFT
QuoteIn a negotiated plea deal that reduced a possible sentence of 25 years to life, Logsdon admitted to touching his daughter's genitals and telling her to keep it a secret in exchange for promises of chocolates. The abuse began in July 2006 when the daughter was three and continued for two years, prosecutors said in Strafford County Superior Court.

Logsdon, 34, formerly of High Street, pleaded guilty to one charge of aggravated felonious sexual assault.

He pled guilty to a very explicit crime, for crap's sake.

But I guess in your minds he's an innocent victim since he didn't steal your power company bill money or something unforgivable like that.
Since when is a newspaper article 100% true or not misleading?  I have seen more misleading articles than I could shake a stick at.
I was in court for the sentencing and the paper sensationalized it and implied that he admitted to these allegations.  This is only what the prosecution claimed when reccomending the term he was to serve, not what he confessed to.  His public defender wasn't a very good lawyer, in my opinion.  Tim had no money to defend himself, and his lawyer told him that he only won 20% of cases like this.  He was also told that the prosecution would push for 25-life unless he pled, and then the cap would be 10-30 with the possibility of a lesser sentence.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on December 30, 2009, 11:19 AM NHFT
In the State vs. Timothy Logsdon case, there was a finding of "not guilty"
If you are wondering, this is for "receiving stolen guns"
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on December 30, 2009, 11:25 AM NHFT
The charge Tim plead guilty to was for sexual contact with a minor, where it legally means:
"Sexual contact" means the intentional touching whether directly, through clothing or otherwise,
of the victim's or actor's sexual or intimate parts, including breasts and buttocks. Sexual contact
includes only that aforementioned conduct which can be reasonably construed as being for the
purpose of sexual arousal or gratification.
the "reasonably construed" part is where Tim justified accepting the plea deal instead of rolling the dice.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 30, 2009, 07:38 PM NHFT
Thanks for that explanation of the "sexual contact" charge. Is that word for word?

Also, was there any detail on the stolen guns verdict, or was it just "not guilty?"
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on December 31, 2009, 04:13 AM NHFT
I'm not sure if it is exactly word for word, but if it isn't, it's virtually identical as I recall from a discussion I had with Tim when he was deciding what to do.  He asked me for advice, and I told him that it was ultimately his decision and we (his family) would support him either way.  The prosecution had attempted to get him to plea to both charges, but after I told him that if he wasn't guilty of any of the charges, to refuse the plea offer (that he was told was only good for 90 minutes).  After refusing the plea offer, they then decided to allow more time and the opportunity to make a counter offer.  Tim made a counteroffer, which was refused, but then they came back with a "final" counter offer that he accepted which threw out the charge of penetration.  Tim justified it in that it could have been "reasonably construed" as being for sexual gratification.  He felt that it would cause the least amount of hardship and mental anguish on the family (his and our extended family) and that there was a possibility that he could get out in 3 years, as opposed to a likely 25-life.  The fact that they brought up the allegations of penetration in court and the paper wrote the article as though he was admitting to them was in my opinion, reprehensible
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on December 31, 2009, 07:37 AM NHFT
Thanks, Tom.

I know it's hard on everyone involved. I haven't assumed that Tim was guilty, because I know that people plead guilty all the time to things they didn't actually do.

If you don't mind elaborating, does anyone in the family believe Tim actually molested his daughter? Other than his ex and her family, that is?
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 31, 2009, 08:36 AM NHFT
I can't think of any circumstances where a man would admit to this if he didn't do it.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on December 31, 2009, 09:15 AM NHFT
I can.  Easily.  People will admit to anything under torture.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on December 31, 2009, 10:53 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 31, 2009, 09:15 AM NHFT
I can.  Easily.  People will admit to anything under torture.

And the possibility of "three years and see your children again if you plead, 30+ if you don't" falls into my definition of psychological torture.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on December 31, 2009, 07:30 PM NHFT
Well, nobody knows with absolute certainty about anything, but the general consesnus is that we all find it very hard to believe that Tim would have done what he was accused of.  The only ones who know for sure is Tim and Joy (assuming there weren't any false memories produced). 
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on January 02, 2010, 09:34 PM NHFT
Good news, my wife, son, and I were just approved to visit Tim.  We will try to get out there next weekend to visit.  Visiting hours are Friday 12:30-4, Saturday 4:30-9, and Sunday 8-11:45.  I would have liked to go tomorrow morning, but it is just too short of a notice.  If anyone else would like to visit Tim and hasn't received the form yet, let me know, and I wil get one to you.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on January 02, 2010, 10:55 PM NHFT
Great news, Heatman. Hope you get to see him the earliest possible time.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on January 05, 2010, 10:08 AM NHFT
We plan to come up this weekend ;D  we just need to figure out where to stay.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 07, 2010, 08:05 AM NHFT
Got a letter from Tim yesterday.  Sending off a newspaper to him today.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on January 07, 2010, 12:42 PM NHFT
Quote from: Heatman on January 05, 2010, 10:08 AM NHFT
We plan to come up this weekend ;D  we just need to figure out where to stay.

Gorham. There's one motel in Berlin, and it's reported to be a nasty roach trap.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on February 05, 2010, 01:25 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 31, 2009, 09:15 AM NHFT
I can.  Easily.  People will admit to anything under torture.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/04/the-250th-dna-exoneration (http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/04/the-250th-dna-exoneration)

There have now been 250 people exonerated by DNA testing, and 27% of those cases involved a false confession or guilty plea.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on February 05, 2010, 09:23 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on February 05, 2010, 01:25 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 31, 2009, 09:15 AM NHFT
I can.  Easily.  People will admit to anything under torture.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/04/the-250th-dna-exoneration (http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/04/the-250th-dna-exoneration)

There have now been 250 people exonerated by DNA testing, and 27% of those cases involved a false confession or guilty plea.

Wow! That shows that for a poor man, facing the "plea-bargain/threat of greater charges" system like Tim did is as bad as a poor man facing a trial. In this case "poor man" = can't afford the $50,000 retainer for the lawyer.

Or, as I heard recently:

"A poor man has 'access' to the legal system in a manner similar to the Christians having 'access' to the lions."
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: CJS on February 05, 2010, 10:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on February 05, 2010, 01:25 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on December 31, 2009, 09:15 AM NHFT
I can.  Easily.  People will admit to anything under torture.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/04/the-250th-dna-exoneration (http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/04/the-250th-dna-exoneration)

There have now been 250 people exonerated by DNA testing, and 27% of those cases involved a false confession or guilty plea.

Can you believe over 70 % of those wrongful convictions had false eye witness testimony? WTF !
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: KBCraig on February 06, 2010, 01:21 AM NHFT
Quote from: CJS on February 05, 2010, 10:08 PM NHFT
Can you believe over 70 % of those wrongful convictions had false eye witness testimony? WTF !

Sure. Eye witnesses are the least reliable evidence, and that's been known for quite some time. It's not always a case of a witness lying; sometimes they really are mistaken. Or, because of the seriousness of the crime (and considerable police pressure), they pick someone out of a lineup, trusting that if they picked the wrong person, the jury will fix it.

And, sometimes it's just a case of "they all look alike, it doesn't matter if I pick the wrong one, he's probably guilty of something anyway". I find that one especially repugnant.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 06, 2010, 03:43 AM NHFT
plus, as we've found, cops almost always lie.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: CJS on February 06, 2010, 02:56 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 06, 2010, 03:43 AM NHFT
plus, as we've found, cops almost always lie.

I was one of those that would never have believed that cops purger themselves so much till it happened to me in 1995 . After two of Chicago's finest lied under oath . If I didn't know the Judges bailiff  for 8 years I would most likely be sitting in prison for possessing a handgun .. not using it in an act of violence against anyone .. just having it on my person .

I need to find something else to think about .. I was having a nice day .

Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Peacemaker on February 16, 2010, 09:22 AM NHFT
I somehow missed this news and this is the first I've heard of it.  It's shocking and extremely hard to believe.

I've spoken with Tim many times over the past year at sociols at it doesn't add up that he would ever do this.

With the present extremely dishonest system in place, it's extremely diifficult to trust anything they say and do. 

It sounds like there's been a number of people who wanted to "get" Tim for sometime and knowing his personality as I do, and as unusual as it sounds,  I can see how Tim would plead guilty in order to give the ones who been wanting to hurt him, their day, and get them off his back (it just fits his personality).

Bottomline, if you trust Government, you need to think again, because they commit more crimes on a daily basis, than anyone else ever could.





 

Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on February 16, 2010, 06:43 PM NHFT
Tim called today - says he got a job in the upholstery shop. He's finished re-upholstering a chair and they took photos of it for his portfolio - said he did a good job of it. He says he works in there 6 or 7 hours a day when he only has to work 3 - he wants to learn to get good at it.

He can upholster/re-upholster a chair for someone on the outside, but we don't have the details yet on where you'd have to drop it off. Might have to be all the way up in Berlin.

He plays cards some and some chess, though he doesn't own a chess set - he has to borrow someone's set to do that. Needs $$ to buy one from an approved supplier. Also he's working on getting money together for a TV. Max size they're allowed is 13" - he says they get a lot of channels.

Maybe several of us could get our visitor status approved and make a road trip of it and visit on the same day.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Heatman on February 28, 2010, 02:52 AM NHFT
Talked to Tim yesterday.  I told him that I had been in touch with his friends on different web sites.  He asked me to tell you guys that he loves you and misses seeing you at the different events/protests.  Feel free to send him a letter in the mail.  Any articles that might interest him would be appreciated.  His address is: 
Timothy Logsdon #84576
138 East Milan Rd
Berlin, NH 03570
If you would rather send an e-mail, send it to me at HVAC-EMT@msn.com and I will print it out and mail it for you with the letters I send him.  Include a phone number and/or address if you would like to hear back from him.   
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on March 03, 2010, 09:46 PM NHFT
I talked to Tim today and he says he got into the HobbyCraft shop and can make woodworking projects (They don't let them work with too much metal!). Things he makes in this shop can be sold at the prison store (Correction Creations ?) in Concord. His first project is a cribbage board. He says he plans to start making wooden flutes. He can use catalogs of interesting hardware and small parts, so if you sign him up for catalogs, he'd appreciate that.

He says he'd love to get some tracings of porcupines to put onto different items, or to inlay into things. He'd love to make a porcupine inlaid 1911 grip.

If you have woodworking projects you'd like to have Tim make for you, send him the plans and he can have them delivered to the store for you to pick up, or he can have them shipped to you.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: VampireZIM on March 08, 2010, 04:00 PM NHFT
I am talking to Tim right now, he is asking if Free Talk Live is broadcast over shortwave or other method for which he could pick up in jail.  He has tried to access it from radio without success and is wondering if he was able to get a shortwave radio, if someone isnt already broadcasting, is they have the ability to broadcast, if they would be willing.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on March 09, 2010, 09:13 AM NHFT
A couple of funny, yet black, things that Tim said: "I always wanted to live close to work" and "It's nice to have all these tools available."

Tim has learned of some plans out there for a foot treadle scroll saw, designed by Rick Hutcheson and available from Meisel Hardware Specialites for $19.99, meiselwoodhobbies.com. This would be a good gift for someone to send him. He says the 8.5 X 11 page size limit would probably be waived if the plans come directly from the supplier. IE, he thinks you can't order the plans and have them sent to yourself, then mail them in to him (if they are larger than the allowed size). OR... maybe if you add "Hobby Craft" to the address line, it would get through. He also mentioned that the Hutcheson scroll saw plans might be online somewhere.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: Tom Sawyer on March 09, 2010, 10:44 AM NHFT
http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com (http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com)

http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com/Products/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=12521&Path=63 (http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com/Products/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=12521&Path=63)

Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on March 10, 2010, 08:04 AM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 09, 2010, 10:44 AM NHFT
http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com (http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com)

http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com/Products/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=12521&Path=63 (http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com/Products/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=12521&Path=63)

Yeah, Tom, that looks like what he's talking about. Tim also requests catalogs of hardware, like Rockler, and any hobby projects. He'd especially like solar projects to do like solar ovens. He thinks some of those would sell in the prison store. But he can also make them for someone who wants to re-sell them and pay him for his work - believe it or not, that's all legal. I mean, he can essentially run a small woodcrafts manufacturing biz from inside and the money goes into his prison account.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on March 10, 2010, 08:11 AM NHFT
PS: Timo mentioned that the plan books, like these:

http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com/Products/ViewCategory.aspx?ID=41414 (http://www.meiselwoodhobby.com/Products/ViewCategory.aspx?ID=41414)

might be a better purchase, since they probably carry lots of plans for close to the price of one set of plans. One of these books would be nice gift for Tim. I know he didn't have a very good Christmas, so if we wanted to do a Christmas in March for him, there's a gift idea for you.

He hasn't been outside in a while, but Tim's looking forward to venturing out when the weather's warmer and clear.

He will be getting out (sort of) today and tomorrow - his final divorce hearing is tomorrow in Dover and they'll transport him down (he thinks) to Strafford County for an overight tonight and into court (Dover Superior?) tomorrow. If anyone would like to see Tim, you could tomorrow in court, but probably wouldn't get to talk to him.
Title: Re: Bad news for RecumbentRecycler!
Post by: jaqeboy on December 13, 2010, 10:28 AM NHFT
I thought about Tim and his plight on his first anniversary day, 4 December, but, of course, couldn't call in to him.

Got a call from him 2 days ago and he seems to be doing okay. He says he's making wooden bowls in the craft shop as gifts for people. Postage costs are always an issue, so please consider mailing him in a money order for his costs and for commissary expenses for general things. Please also remember him with Christmas (/holiday) cards, just so he knows he's not forgotten.

He's going to start making recorders in the craft shop soon. Again costs incur for the wood itself, as he has to buy specialized woods for things like that from the outside.

He always wants to hear news from the outside and he likes articles and things like that, but they have to be loose pages, no more than 10 pages per envelope (so try to copy on both sides of the pages).

That's all from Milan Road, Berlin for now.