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Title: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: porcupine kate on December 21, 2009, 04:54 PM NHFT
This was sent to me today.   
Kate



The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH State House.

I'm working on a press release but here's what it looks like so far:

This is a Joint Committee, and members are:

Sylvia Larsen   
Terie Norelli   
Margaret Hassan
Mary Jane Wallner
Peter Bragdon
Sherman Packard
Lou D'Allesandro
Marjorie Smith
Daniel Eaton
Gene Chandler
Martha Fuller Clark
Sheila Roberge

The Joint Facilities committee just passed by an 8-3 vote (party lines)
the following regulation on the State House:

"No person, except for law enforcement personnel in active duty, shall
carry a firearm or other dangerous or deadly weapon or an explosive,
openly or concealed, while inside the State House, the Legislative
Office Building, the Upham Walker House, or any of the underground
tunnels connected to these buildings. Law enforcement personnel, when
requested by State House security staff, must produce sufficient
identification establishing their status as law enforcement personnel."

Spread this far and wide. After the Democrats got crushed on this issue
in the legislative process they are passing it through the back door. No
one seems to know how this will be enforced.

Start spreading the word to our people...

For liberty,

Andy Demers
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: JellyFish on December 21, 2009, 06:32 PM NHFT
This was apparently done on a party line vote with the Democrats on the committee voting in favor of this unconstitutional rule.

For those who wish to contact these legislators, here is their public contact information from the NH state government site:

Sylvia Larson
Senate Office:
Statehouse
107 N. Main St., Room 302
Concord, N.H. 03301
(603) 271-2111
sylvia.larsen@leg.state.nh.us

Home:
23 Kensington Road
Concord, N.H. 03301
(603) 225-6130

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate15.asp (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate15.asp)
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Representative Terie Norelli (d)
Rockingham- District 16
Seat #:6001
Incumbent
Home Address:
35 Middle Road
Portsmouth, NH 03801-4802
Phone: (603)436-2108
Email: terie.norelli@leg.state.nh.us
member

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Senator Margaret Wood Hassan, D-Exeter
Senate District 23
Senate Office:
State House
107 N. Main St., Room 302
Concord, N.H. 03301
(603) 271-2111
maggie.hassan@leg.state.nh.us

Home:
31 Elliot St.
Exeter, N.H. 03833-2728
(603) 772-4187

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate23.asp (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate23.asp)
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Representative Mary Jane Wallner (d)
Merrimack- District 12
Seat #:2002
Incumbent
Home Address:
4 Chestnut Pasture Rd
Concord, NH 03301-7900
Phone: (603)225-5249
Email: mjwallner@juno.com
member

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Lou D'Allesandro (D)
enate Office:
Statehouse
107 N. Main St., Room 117
Concord, N.H. 03301
(603) 271-2600
dalas@leg.state.nh.us

Home:
332 St. James Ave.
Manchester, N.H. 03102-4950
(603) 669-3494
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate20.asp (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate20.asp)

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Representative Marjorie Smith (d)
Strafford- District 07
Seat #:2003
Incumbent
Home Address:
PO Box 136
Durham, NH 03824-0136
Phone: (603)868-7500
Email: marjorie.smith@leg.state.nh.us

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Representative Daniel Eaton (d)
Cheshire- District 02
Seat #:2001
Incumbent
Home Address:
1 Shedd Hill Rd
Stoddard, NH 03464-4423
Phone: (603)446-3535
Email: eatonsstore@juno.com

member

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Senator Martha Fuller Clark, D-Portsmouth
Contact Information:
martha.fullerclark@leg.state.nh.us

Senate Office:
State House Room 302
107 N. Main St.,
Concord, N.H. 03301
(603) 271-4152
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate24.asp (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...s/senate24.asp)
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: JellyFish on December 21, 2009, 06:32 PM NHFT
Please also contact your state representative and senator:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/whosmyleg/ (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/whosmyleg/)
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: JellyFish on December 21, 2009, 06:34 PM NHFT
There is also a thread about this on NES, please drop by.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87030 (http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87030)
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: neggy on December 21, 2009, 07:44 PM NHFT
I just came over from NES looking for the Porc's take on the situation.
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: Dave Ridley on December 22, 2009, 01:44 AM NHFT
Dems "ban" guns from NH state house, skip legislative process

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzJa74I9sMo#)

Some ways you can get involved regardless of location:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17486.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17486.0)
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: Lumpy on December 22, 2009, 02:50 AM NHFT
It's 3:48 AM an d I'm just figuring this crap out now!  I'm pissed!
We will have telephone & email onslaught tomorrow from this house.  Anyone who want to come over and join in, you are more than welcome!
Is anyone driving up to protest this crap?
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: KBCraig on December 22, 2009, 03:26 AM NHFT
http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Guns%2c+weapons+banned+from+State+House&articleId=8d0cd461-6429-46d1-aa56-7aebff5436ce (http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Guns%2c+weapons+banned+from+State+House&articleId=8d0cd461-6429-46d1-aa56-7aebff5436ce)
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the N
Post by: tito887 on December 22, 2009, 06:45 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lumpy on December 22, 2009, 02:50 AM NHFT
It's 3:48 AM an d I'm just figuring this crap out now!  I'm pissed!
We will have telephone & email onslaught tomorrow from this house.  Anyone who want to come over and join in, you are more than welcome!
Is anyone driving up to protest this crap?


I'm thinking about heading up a caravan. The idea of an open carry protest inside the building sounds really good to me.
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: doobie on December 22, 2009, 07:46 AM NHFT
Shall we say 3pm at the statehouse on Wednesday to protest the passage?  OCing inside and outside of course....  Wednesday gives a bit more time for people to make arrangements to be there...of course who knows maybe people will show up today as well...
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: John on December 22, 2009, 09:03 AM NHFT
I'm not sure what to say about this - BUT IT AIN"T GOOD! That is: what I'd have to say about the committee vote ain't good, what I'd have to say about the Dems certainly ain't good, and what I'd have to say about those unprincipled, fake-small-government Republicans who got themselves into their minority position by not standing on their supposed small-government principles ain't good.
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: thinkliberty on December 22, 2009, 10:41 AM NHFT
Quote from: John on December 22, 2009, 09:03 AM NHFT
what I'd have to say about those unprincipled, fake-small-government Republicans who got themselves into their minority position by not standing on their supposed small-government principles ain't good.

You mean politicians lie when they run for office?! Tell me it isn't so! (haha) Even politicians who claim to be "small-government" Republicans?? (LOL)
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: doobie on December 22, 2009, 10:53 AM NHFT
http://www.facebook.com/doobie42#/event.php?eid=209760168308&ref=mf (http://www.facebook.com/doobie42#/event.php?eid=209760168308&ref=mf)

Statehouse 2:30-4pm Wednesday December 23rd.  I'll be trying to go to speak to the reps who voted for this.
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: Lumpy on December 22, 2009, 10:55 AM NHFT
I think we need to call up some more of the other bureaucrats and ask them to come armed as well.
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: Fluff and Stuff on December 22, 2009, 01:46 PM NHFT
Here is the petition.  Please share the link and sign it.  If it has already been posted, forgive me.

http://www.petition.fm/petitions/nhgunban/1000/ (http://www.petition.fm/petitions/nhgunban/1000/)
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: Blain on December 22, 2009, 03:37 PM NHFT
This rule is illegal according to NH state law and the state constitution.  Gov Benson signed HB 415 into law in 2004 that the state can not make a local firearms law more restrictive than the state level.  They would have to amend the state constitution for this to be legal.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=436126 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=436126)

Quote"The governor also praised HB 415, which clarifies that the state has authority and jurisdiction over all aspects of gun and ammunition use and regulation and prohibits towns and cities from passing any regulations or ordinances concerning guns and ammunition.

The bill also nullifies any existing regulations or ordinances.

Benson said “HB 415 eliminates the patchwork of laws that get people in trouble with firearms. Towns and cities can no longer go off and make a patchwork of regulations.”

Later he said people who are going to commit illegal acts will commit them even if there are laws on the books.

A lawful gun owner can go from one town to another and be legal in one community, but not legal in another the governor said.

The bill became effective July 18, when Benson actually signed the bill. "
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: doobie on December 22, 2009, 05:34 PM NHFT
Start barraging the Speaker's Office 603-271-3661 and the President's Office 603-271-2111 to complain against the dangerous weapon ban.
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: stanford on December 22, 2009, 05:45 PM NHFT
I just called all nine critters. Mostly voice mail, one busy, two spouses took a message.

Surprise! I just got a call back from Lou D'Allesandro from Manchester. I asked him why they passed this regulation. He said they were just reinstating a regulation that was in force from 199-whatever until 2006. I asked him why he would reinstate something that was so bad it was repealed. He said that it was repealed because it was not specific. His committee defined exactly where guns should be banned and therefore it was valid, or something like that.

We chatted for a while about the 2008 bill that was roundly ITL'd in committee and defeated in the house. I also reminded him that the bill's sponsor, Rep Kjellman, was thrown out in the next election. He said that he is just trying to protect individual liberties while protecting the politicians. My assertion that self-defense is a basic human right just sailed right past him.

I asked him if there was an incident that brought this to the forefront now. He mentioned the incident when people from the gallery were shouting obscenities during a house vote. He said he wasn't there, so he couldn't comment. This was the HCR 6 vote.

I told him that I was there, and if shouting obscenities was the problem, then why didn't his committee just outlaw the shouting of obscenities? He said that some people were armed. I told him that tempers were certainly hot, but that I did not feel threatened at any time.

I told him I appreciated his courage in calling me back. Maybe it wasn't courage because I didn't tell his wife if I was for or against the regulation, but he called anyway.

So far, no one else has returned my calls. I'll report if there's anything worth reporting.

There's a post at the beginning of this thread with the names and phone numbers of the nine committee members who voted for this rule. I encourage everyone reading this to at least leave a message. Use the home phone number, as it is after hours and they always enjoy getting personal calls from their constituents.

Hopefully, I'll see you at the state house at 2:30 on Wednesday!
Title: Re: The NH Legislative Facilities Committee voted today to ban firearms in the NH St
Post by: RavenNH on December 23, 2009, 11:13 AM NHFT
I sent the following to everyone on the list
I was shocked to hear of your vote banning weapons in the state house and state house "controlled" properties.

These are municipal properties owned by the people of New Hampshire and not subject to your whims. 

In addition to the public right to reasonable access in the Constitution you are also violating state RSAs as follows:

TITLE XII
PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE
CHAPTER 159
PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS
State Jurisdiction
Section 159:26
    159:26 Firearms and Ammunition; Authority of the State. –
    I. To the extent consistent with federal law, the state of New Hampshire shall have authority and jurisdiction over the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. Except as otherwise specifically provided by statute, no ordinance or regulation of a political subdivision may regulate the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. Nothing in this section shall be construed as affecting a political subdivision's right to adopt zoning ordinances for the purpose of regulating firearms businesses in the same manner as other businesses or to take any action allowed under RSA 207:59.

Please correct your error and rescind this illegal action of your committee.

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