...at the 4:20 in Manchester. Porc 411s coming in.
420 in Manch on January 23rd at victory park
Tilting on the 24th at nood
Call 603-668-8711, ext 1
Rude Booking Guy says that Mike Tyner is not there.
Brian Manning is waiting on Bail Guy.
Brad was heading out there to check on the status of people and make sure they get home if they're booted out.
Looks like Big Mike's at valley street....
Ew, poor Mike.
it feels strange to have just heard Mike's voice on the phone and now he is locked up by the thugs
It looks like they both are going to valley street. Brian has $500 bail, collection being taken. Mike's not ID'ing, so I guess thats indefinite. :( via P411
It looks like I am going to protesting at valley street tomorrow.
Valley St. Jail has the worst reputation in NH.
7 detentions according to "big mike" tiner, 2 arrests according to the folks who got on the line after they grabbed tiner.
can anyone verify for me mike's report that seven of the activists were detained initially and what the period of detention was?
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzL_nAazfR8#)
Mike "assaulting" an officer. I think it was 6 people, and for about 30 minutes.
I was present, I believe that it was 7 of us where detained. Every one except for me was searched or asked for ID. Several others showed up as it progressed. Most where IDed through the police searching them and pulling their wallets out. Detainment was about 20-30 minutes.
In case it wasn't mentioned Big Mike was arrested for "assault" that looks like was initiated by the rude plains clothes officer putting his arm out as Big Mike passed by him and made contact after the officer told him he was free to go after being searched.
Afterwords we visited the Manchester Police Department and waited several hours. We eventually found out that Big Mike had already been carted off to Valley St. and Brian was about to go and his bail was $500. We tried calling Bail bondsmen, all said that they only do above $1,000. A little later an officer came out told us Brian had already gone to Valley St. and asked us to leave. He came out again and several officers followed us out. We then gathered the $500 went to Valley St. waited around for about 1 1/2 hours and bailed Brian out.
and some people wonder if we live in a police state
what would happen if they didn't find government id on your body?
Wow. What a power-hungry, miserable bum. And so many people will defend him and his actions, it's just disgusting.
And what happens to the cop if the judge realizes this was a ridiculous charge? Nothing. There's nothing to prevent cops from arresting people without cause. No accountability. Great job on video taping it. Can you imagine the exaggerations and lies that would be commonplace if there wasn't this objective recording of the event as it happened?
Good point, Paul -- but do keep in mind that touching a policeman is a serious crime in this country.
Quote from: Ogre on January 17, 2010, 12:29 PM NHFT
Good point, Paul -- but do keep in mind that touching a policeman is a serious crime in this country.
Who'd want to touch one?
Man what a candy ass that cop is.
He is tops in the running for this months Jack-ASS award.
I was the only one there today in manchester @ 420, I guess everyone else drove all the way out to Keene. :punk:
Quote from: Pat K on January 17, 2010, 04:29 PM NHFT
Man what a candy ass that cop is.
It's so easy to look tough
while pretending to be a victim.
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 17, 2010, 04:37 PM NHFT
I was the only one there today in manchester @ 420, I guess everyone else drove all the way out to Keene. :punk:
There was a good showing in Keene today, 38 people.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on January 17, 2010, 09:16 PM NHFT
There was a good showing in Keene today, 38 people.
neat :sunny:
Here's a little ditty to sing when you run into the arresting LEO. Use a mincing, childish voice, and sing almost-but-not-quite to "Oh, Dear, What Can the Matter Be?"
Oooh! Oooh! I've been assaulted!
Bad boy! That man is faulted!
He . . . touched . . . the Prrresence Exalted!
Somebody save me from him!
Oooh! Oooh! I'm threatened so much!
That nasty man came so close he could touch!
How . . . could . . . Free Staters send such
A scary bad man after me?
I enact disproportionate retribution
For soiling my delicate constitution.
That's so important, it invalidates
The meaningless one of the United States.
I'd deal with this case like a man, but I can't--he's
Part of this huge gang of fierce vigilantes.
I'm already wetting the lacy pink panties
I wear underneath the blue serge.
He's off the street and I'm safer now, but
They need me to handle some dangerous nut.
I could get a hangnail, a bruise, or a cut!
Better pretend I don't hear.
I'm so important, I save you from crooks.
That 8-year-old girl coming home from school looks
Like there's a nail file stashed in her books
Kick her down onto the ground!
I'll polish and add more to it later.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on January 17, 2010, 09:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 17, 2010, 04:37 PM NHFT
I was the only one there today in manchester @ 420, I guess everyone else drove all the way out to Keene. :punk:
There was a good showing in Keene today, 38 people.
sounds like prohibition is slowly disappearing
we only lose 1 or 2 activists a month
We are going to be in the area tomorrow. Is Mike still in the manch jail?
His arraignment is tomorrow, probably in the morning. Jim and I can join you. We need to find out times and places.
I'll be there, too, if I can hitch a ride with Jim and Lauren.
We want to go... can we follow someone or else try to get address for the GPS??? Jim? Lauren? Mike? Richard? Larry? Moe? Curly?
I'll be at Richard's place at 6:20. My car is full but you can follow me to Manchester.
the earliest we would be in Manchester is around 2
we could visit his jail if he is still there
They're apparently keeping him until the afternoon, so the earliest he's expected to be arraigned is 1:30, according to the latest Porc 411 call.
They obviously don't like the attention. Latest Porc-411 update is that at 1:30, the clerk claimed Mike had appeared before a judge, been arraigned, and returned to the jail. Except, the group had spent the entire day in that judge's courtroom with no sign of Mike, and the jail said he hadn't been returned.
Latest is he was apparently arraigned in a separate room where they arraign some of the prisoners. Per the paperwork, Mike refused to identity himself, a public defender or enter a plea. The judge entered a plea of not guilty, set a court date of April 4 and set his bail at $5000. If he decides to identity himself his bail will be a PR bail.
Quote from: KBCraig on January 19, 2010, 01:54 PM NHFT
They obviously don't like the attention. Latest Porc-411 update is that at 1:30, the clerk claimed Mike had appeared before a judge, been arraigned, and returned to the jail. Except, the group had spent the entire day in that judge's courtroom with no sign of Mike, and the jail said he hadn't been returned.
Typical government process, making sure it's customers/citizens are left in the dark.
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
I've read something about secret tribunals before in my history books in another country where they had an all powerful branch of the government called "Homeland Security"... oh yeah, that was Nazi Germany... good thing we don't live there... oh, wait.
Quote from: CJS on January 19, 2010, 05:35 PM NHFT
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
I think it is standard practice.
Quote from: CJS on January 19, 2010, 05:35 PM NHFT
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
Because the government does everything with your best interests in mind. Don't you feel safe now?
Quote from: CJS on January 19, 2010, 05:35 PM NHFT
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
A judge isn't an officer of the court. A judge
is the court.
One of the things a judge is required to do, ostensibly anyway, is guard the rights of the parties in his court. If someone is unable or unwilling to enter a plea, then in keeping with "innocent until proven guilty", the judge proceeds as if they pleaded not guilty.
Quote from: CJS on January 19, 2010, 05:35 PM NHFT
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
because they make the rules
mike is in jail as of yesterday afternoon
the 20 activists that waited at the courthouse yesterday never saw him
the judge talked to him one floor above the court the group was directed to
at 1 or 2 we learned that the process was complete and waiting to type up the paperwork .... copies where handed out to Big Mike's friends.
some headed to the jail while others waited at the court in case he could be released
I guess Big Mike will be in there for a couple of months.
Quote from: "Chuckles" on January 19, 2010, 07:12 PM NHFT
Quote from: CJS on January 19, 2010, 05:35 PM NHFT
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
I think it is standard practice.
Because no matter what they are going to shove their system down your throat and you are going to like it or else you will be in jail until April 4th.... ooh wait!
Quote from: CJS on January 19, 2010, 05:35 PM NHFT
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
Whether it's "standard practice or not it's disgusting.
Quote from: CJS on January 19, 2010, 05:35 PM NHFT
Dumb question , but here goes any way.
How is the Judge , an officer of the court legally allowed to enter a plea on his behalf ?
One way to think about it is that 'not guilty' is the default. So the judge is really just remarking that, since Mike did not enter a plea, a 'not guilty' plea is entered by default. Yes, they often say that they are entering a plea on your behalf, but that's just another way of saying that parties that don't enter a plea have a default plea of 'not guilty' entered for them.
Personally I think the court could come up with a 'not entered' instead of 'not guilty'. There may be some precedent for that. But you might have to do some research.
Quote from: jzacker on January 20, 2010, 12:09 PM NHFT
Personally I think the court could come up with a 'not entered' instead of 'not guilty'. There may be some precedent for that. But you might have to do some research.
They could set it to undef instead of 0.
so what do you guys think of the idea of me breaking Big Mike out?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 20, 2010, 04:03 PM NHFT
so what do you guys think of the idea of me breaking Big Mike out?
?What Idea?
The one where you use your magical powers to turn Mike into a mouse so he can crawl out through the cracks in the prison walls? Mike has a great adventure and he meets lots of magical and wonderful friends while escaping.
The one where you convince the Gods to allow you to battle the forces of Darkness? You raise an improbable army of ex basketball greats and you play the Dark forces in the Ultimate Basketball Show Down to free Mike. (animated)
Or is it the one where you become God because God has worked for seven days in a row and needs someone to take over for a few hour so she can get some rest? At first the job is over whelming and you forget about Mike until your fiends and family come to your aid. (So heart warming it makes unicorns puke.)
In any case Mike should be free in 89 to 122 minutes. I say yes break Big Mike out.
Someone did send the video to the prosecutor, right?
okay, I am sure that everyone has watched the James Joseph Duane vid on not talking to the police.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&hl=en# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&hl=en#)
And, always demand a jury trial as soon as you are arrested and at every opportunity.
ff
Unicorns do not puke!
Johnson ya big rumor starter ya.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 20, 2010, 04:03 PM NHFT
so what do you guys think of the idea of me breaking Big Mike out?
"Breaking out" sounds violent. I figure when y'all levitate the building, he can just walk out.
I like Jim's ideas, but I was thinking along the lines of Don Quixote coming to the aid of a his captured friend and fellow knight errant Big Mike. He would give the Mayor, Police Prosecuter, Judge, and Jail about a week to free the valiant Mike. if they continue to hold Big Mike for brushing past a cop, then Don Quixote de la Shire will have to take his trusty lance of levity, his sandwich board armor of signage, his axe of anarchy, his helmet of hilarity, and ride into city hall, donut HQ, and/or valley street jail from Veterans Park. I will not let glass doors stop me. I am also willing to brush past every single manch pd thug if necessary.
I need to choose the day.
I also could use people to:
Join me or
alert any and all media or
be our media through video, pics, reports and spreading the word or
making hoof noises as we ride around the sidewalks
kazoo players and such to play MP Holy grail music
Us knight errants are always looking for causes ..... to release the captured Big Mike seems worthy.
other ideas?
Are there any old laws that require a hitching or watering station to be present for your cardboard cutout horse? You can't be a knight without a horse....it's in the "rules".
you are right
I won't be able to use a cardboard horse .... the sandwich board will get in the way.
I am now planning on doing this on Sunday ..... probably at noon. I can't wait forever for them to let Big Mike go.
i will have to send out my notices to the various offices today to get the ball rolling.
Maybe the 4:20 crowd on Saturday can also deliver the notes.
Kat was in the court on Tuesday.
They let her take in a pocketknife, but held the hairbrush at the security checkpoint.
http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=262165862939&id=508565384 (http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=262165862939&id=508565384)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 21, 2010, 07:11 AM NHFT
you are right
I won't be able to use a cardboard horse .... the sandwich board will get in the way.
I am now planning on doing this on Sunday ..... probably at noon. I can't wait forever for them to let Big Mike go.
i will have to send out my notices to the various offices today to get the ball rolling.
Maybe the 4:20 crowd on Saturday can also deliver the notes.
I will play the part of bard with my guitar. I think I might be able to play some magical notes to aid you in your quest! (Maybe SAR can sing if he can make it.)
Witches or wizards riding on broom sticks might be able to provide air support. They also might be able to stop the jail from bumping in to other buildings when it is levitated.
I will also try to make a Monty Python and the Holy Grail Coconut Shell Horse http://www.ehow.com/how_2281554_holy-grail-coconut-shell-horse.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_2281554_holy-grail-coconut-shell-horse.html)
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 21, 2010, 08:40 AM NHFT
I will play the part of bard with my guitar. I think I might be able to play some magical notes to aid you in your quest! (Maybe SAR can sing if he can make it.)
Witches or wizards riding on broom sticks might be able to provide air support. They also might be able to stop the jail from bumping in to other buildings when it is levitated.
I will also try to make a Monty Python and the Holy Grail Coconut Shell Horse http://www.ehow.com/how_2281554_holy-grail-coconut-shell-horse.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_2281554_holy-grail-coconut-shell-horse.html)
great
I wasn't planning on levitating the building. I was planning on using a lance and axe to start taking out glass doors one at a time if necessary.
Kat also likes coconuts, but even 2by4s will make a nice sound.
The weather could might also turn bad for guitars, but they would be nice.
Tilting at the City of Manchester to release Big Mike from jail
Who:
Don Quixote de la Shire
anyone who joins him
and onlookers
What:
Tilting at Manchester City Hall, District Court, Police Station, and Jail in order to free pro-freedom activist Big Mike from Valley Street jail.
When:
Sunday January 24th
Noon
Where:
Don Quixote will start his ride at the spot in Veterans Park, that Mike and Brian were arrested last week. We will continue to City Hall, District Court and Police Station. If necessary, the knight errant will tilt his Lance of Levity and Axe of Anarchy against the doors of the jail.
Why:
Because we cannot sit by while our friend Mike sits in jail for months. Mike committed no crime against the inhabitants of this city. He was celebrating freedoms prohibited by the government thugs that call themselves the City of Manchester. After being detained against his will for 20 minutes last Saturday he was told by a cop he could leave. As he passed by, they brushed up against each other. The cops then arrested him. He is being held in jail until a trial in April for "assulting an officer".
If the city of Manchester releases him, then we can drop this matter.
more info:
http://www.420at420.org/places/manchester (http://www.420at420.org/places/manchester)
http://newhampshirefreepress.com/node/586 (http://newhampshirefreepress.com/node/586)
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2317.0 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2317.0)
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19942.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19942.0)
If I make it, I'll take still pictures.
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 21, 2010, 08:40 AM NHFT
I will play the part of bard with my guitar. I think I might be able to play some magical notes to aid you in your quest! (Maybe SAR can sing if he can make it.)
He plans to, if he can get transportation.
He's also written this song in commemoration of the brave officer who risked so much for all of us in exposing himself to assault:
"I'VE BEEN ASSAULTED!" (more or less to "Oh, Dear, What Can the Matter Be?")
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NSkw8MarmE#)
COPYRIGHT 2010 by Sam A. Robrin or whoever the hell it is who writes these things. Go ahead and use it, but if you make a little money on it, I want some!Oooh! Oooh! That's an assault!
Ooch! Ouch! It's all
his fault!
Chasing down bad guys must come to a halt!
Somebody save me from him!
Oooh! Oooh! I'm threatened so much!
That nasty man came so close he could touch!
How . . . could . . . Free Staters send such
A scary bad man after me?
I enact disproportionate retribution
For soiling my delicate constitution.
That's so important, it invalidates
The meaningless one of the United States.
I'd deal with this case like a man, but I can't--he's
Part of this huge gang of fierce vigilantes.
I'm already wetting the lacy pink panties
I wear underneath the blue serge.
I'm so important, I save you from crooks.
That 8-year-old girl coming home from school looks
Like there's a nail file stashed in her books.
Kick her down onto the ground!
I bully and swagger and strut as I please,
So nobody--chiefly myself--ever sees
The pitiful coward I am deep inside me.
Thank God the system will wink at and hide me.
He's off the street and I'm safer now, but
They need me to handle some dangerous nut.
I could get a hangnail, a bruise, or a cut!
Better pretend I don't hear.
Oooh! Oooh! That's an assault!
Ooch! Ouch! It's all
his fault!
Chasing down bad guys must come to a halt!
Somebody save me from him!
I'll try to be there to sing it in my best Pee Wee Herman/nails-on-a-chalkboard voice.
Quote from: John on January 21, 2010, 12:54 PM NHFT
If I make it, I'll take still pictures.
Maybe other stuff also.
cool
I am hoping the city lets him go. If not there is a real possibility of me getting arrested as I ride against the jail.
I would guess that anyone not dressed up or only recording from a distance will be able to avoid getting handcuffed and jailed.
Anyone could be "detained" like our friends were last week and have ID's demanded by the cops.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 21, 2010, 01:03 PM NHFTonly recording from a distance will be able to avoid getting handcuffed and jailed.
Anyone could be "detained" like our friends were last week and have ID's demanded by the cops.
I wouldn't be distant. And, I definitely won't be showing any ID!
my plan is to negotiate for Big Mike's release
they negotiate with guns, tasers, handcuffs, and jail cells
i negotiate with cooperation or lack thereof
so if they will not let Mike go, then they will have to hold me also
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 21, 2010, 12:02 PM NHFT
I was planning on using a lance and axe to start taking out glass doors one at a time if necessary.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 22, 2010, 10:01 AM NHFT
so if they will not let Mike go, then they will have to hold me also
Please tell me you're not seriously going to go to the Manchester Police Department and swing an axe at glass doors until you are (at BEST) arrested, at worst, shot dead in front of your wife? I'm assuming by "lance" you mean something pretend like a toilet plunger, but I'm not sure about the axe. I beg you to rethink this. Please. :(
yes ... this is what i am planning
not only will I not condone their actions .... they will have another activist on their hands
my lance will be from our woods .... I will try that first. An axe or sledgehammer is better for breaking into a jail.
I want onlookers to know what might happen.
If you don't want me shot, you can call the Manch PD and offer them dunkin donuts or something.
I don't see how using a sledgehammer or an axe is going help mike get out of jail, unless it's made out of plastic or something and is symbolic... like friday said
I can't see anything good coming from this. What good do you see coming from this?
Smashing your way in to a jail does not put you on the moral high ground does it?
Why do you think this is a good idea?
is it wrong for me to try to break Mike out of jail?
this is one of the ultimate ways to show I do not agree with throwing Mike in jail
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 22, 2010, 01:54 PM NHFT
yes ... this is what i am planning
not only will I not condone their actions .... they will have another activist on their hands
my lance will be from our woods .... I will try that first. An axe or sledgehammer is better for breaking into a jail.
I want onlookers to know what might happen.
:dontknow: I tried.
Quote
If you don't want me shot, you can call the Manch PD and offer them dunkin donuts or something.
I'm not interested in calling cops, and I wouldn't waste perfectly good donuts.
yea
it is a pretty crazy idea
but there be giants in the land and i am sworn to slay them
better stand back ... this work is for us crazy guys
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 22, 2010, 06:04 PM NHFT
yea
it is a pretty crazy idea
but there be giants in the land and i am sworn to slay them
better stand back ... this work is for us crazy guys
It's crazy that they kidnapped Mike and Brian,
If they're Giants, I hope you are David, not Don Quixote.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 22, 2010, 05:50 PM NHFT
is it wrong for me to try to break Mike out of jail?
this is one of the ultimate ways to show I do not agree with throwing Mike in jail
It's not wrong for you to free someone that's been kidnapped.
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 22, 2010, 03:02 PM NHFT
I can't see anything good coming from this. What good do you see coming from this?
Smashing your way in to a jail does not put you on the moral high ground does it?
Why do you think this is a good idea?
It's Jesus going into the temple and turning over the tables... people are still talking about it.
VDO of the Tuesday jail protest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc0WQccU62U#)
Please reconsider - as I have.
I will not be in attendance because I cannot support this action. I'll considering starting a fast on Sunday. Will I be mourning the end of the non-violent revolution?
If you want to go to Manchester with the intention of getting arrested please consider other ways to get arrested. There must be thousands of non-violent ways!
Offhand, I do remember that Cassidy Nic's publicity DID GET MY ATTENTION, but personally I seem to draw enough attention from the pigs (and i do keep it legal) that personally getting involved in protesting seems counterproductive. Plus I'm an old bore anyway.
But there seems to be about 3 criticisms I'll make of the 4:20 protesters playbook.
First off why are you folk carrying your ID on you ? Have you ever heard of the 2 wallet trick? Actually, it's more like keeping your ID in YOUR VEHICLE OR RIDE. And just a 'throw away' wallet with some snack money and a cheap prepaid phone card (so you can call out on the police phones for help).
Second, you ought to "yes sir", "no sir" the police. I can't quite figure out why you are trying to add insult (drawing public attention to the police and the drug war) to injury, and trying to escalate the confrontations ?
But, if that's the deal, to provoke the brutes and the "we'll show you who's in charge" response... do you bother to get bail money available BEFORE THE FACT ? Do you bother to try and retain a lawyer ahead of time that will DARE TO SAY NO to the man ? (okay easier said than done).
Anyway, the point is, if you make it "too unreasonable" for the police to harass you, and make it too difficult and expensive for the state "to teach you a lesson", then chances are you may well gain ground against big brother....
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on January 22, 2010, 10:36 PM NHFT
VDO of the Tuesday jail protest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc0WQccU62U#)
The guy with the white shirt from the jail is a riot ... I'm laughing out loud. ;D
"Obviously the Manchester PD is here." he said as he gestured like he is presenting the next act.
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 22, 2010, 06:12 PM NHFT
If they're Giants, I hope you are David, not Don Quixote.
It's not wrong for you to free someone that's been kidnapped.
I will definitely be playing the part of the crazy knight
thank you
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on January 22, 2010, 10:36 PM NHFT
VDO of the Tuesday jail protest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc0WQccU62U#)
so i could get arrested for just being in front of the door at the jail .... maybe?
Quote from: Friday on January 22, 2010, 05:55 PM NHFT
Quote
If you don't want me shot, you can call the Manch PD and offer them dunkin donuts or something.
I'm not interested in calling cops, and I wouldn't waste perfectly good donuts.
even if it will help keep me from being shot? ;)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on January 22, 2010, 09:38 PM NHFT
It's Jesus going into the temple and turning over the tables... people are still talking about it.
this will be my feeble attempt to do something close to that
it will be messy ... it will not be perfect .... but it should get the bad guys attention
i might not have to do anything but be too close to the "county" building ... but i might have to press them further
Howard Zinn has a good book about civil disobedience and covers this sort of thing.
Quote from: John on January 22, 2010, 10:58 PM NHFT
Please reconsider - as I have.
I will not be in attendance because I cannot support this action. I'll considering starting a fast on Sunday. Will I be mourning the end of the non-violent revolution?
If you want to go to Manchester with the intention of getting arrested please consider other ways to get arrested. There must be thousands of non-violent ways!
well ... i have thought about this action and similar ones for years
that is understandable
it could indeed be the end .... or at least the beginning of the end
i hope that they let Big Mike go ... otherwise i will use 5 or 6 of the 1000 ways
Quote from: microtone on January 22, 2010, 11:13 PM NHFT
Offhand, I do remember that Cassidy Nic's publicity DID GET MY ATTENTION, but personally I seem to draw enough attention from the pigs (and i do keep it legal) that personally getting involved in protesting seems counterproductive. Plus I'm an old bore anyway.
But there seems to be about 3 criticisms I'll make of the 4:20 protesters playbook.
First off why are you folk carrying your ID on you ?
Second, you ought to "yes sir", "no sir" the police.
But, if that's the deal, to provoke the brutes and the "we'll show you who's in charge" response... do you bother to get bail money available BEFORE THE FACT ? Do you bother to try and retain a lawyer ahead of time that will DARE TO SAY NO to the man ? (okay easier said than done).
Anyway, the point is, if you make it "too unreasonable" for the police to harass you, and make it too difficult and expensive for the state "to teach you a lesson", then chances are you may well gain ground against big brother....
Cassidy's action was pretty cool .... it is hard for the 420 gang to compete with that
i bet they didn't think they were going to be arrested last saturday
i don't say "yes sir" to anyone .... to say it to a cop would feel strange .... probably the same for the 420 celebrants
i don't bail out or use lawyers .... neither does big mike obviously .... i think the State likes you to do both
Sorry to get your hopes or fears up.
I am chickening out on this activity on Sunday and am cancelling the event.
I am not willing right now to go to jail to help Big Mike or our movement.
I guess I am cooperating with the thugs and not causing problems.
The thought of white bread and bologna was too much.
I am sure the event planned for today will go well. I don't think I can stay until 420, so I will miss it.
Would there be anything going on in Manch if we get a car full from Keene and arrive early?
Quote from: microtone on January 22, 2010, 11:13 PM NHFT
But, if that's the deal, to provoke the brutes and the "we'll show you who's in charge" response... do you bother to get bail money available BEFORE THE FACT ? Do you bother to try and retain a lawyer ahead of time that will DARE TO SAY NO to the man ? (okay easier said than done).
I'm pretty sure they didn't intend this to be a protest to draw police attention. They just wanted to peacefully gather and celebrate 4:20.
Quote from: dalebert on January 23, 2010, 10:05 AM NHFT
Would there be anything going on in Manch if we get a car full from Keene and arrive early?
Well, if you do, please put me down for a seat, if you can. I've been trying to find out something, but having no luck.
the 420 gang is doing something today around 4
Bail is generally not even considered. If someone must get out for work or something, they probably shouldn't be doing the CD. If it's a really unexpected arrest, it would make more sense. I don't blame anyone if they do though.
Lawyers have sworn an allegiance to the state so they are never truly on your side, particularly the public defenders who are primarily making plea bargains so people can be railroaded through the system at smaller expense to the state, and usually to the benefit of the state through fines and such. Even the ones you pay don't do many actual trials. They're in a bargaining mindset rather than a justice mindset. You witness enough of this, and it will quickly blow your mind how insanely abusive their "justice" system is.
Watch a movie called Interstate 60 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165832/) sometime.
Quote from: dalebert on January 23, 2010, 10:34 AM NHFT
Watch a movie called Interstate 60 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165832/) sometime.
isn't that the hidden one that runs through keene
Greetings, I'm new to the boards. I do apologize in advance if anyone feels I'm quoting them out of context. It's just that I'm trying to pass on what may or may not be of help to activists and any other citizen.
(R) i don't say "yes sir" to anyone .... to say it to a cop would feel strange ....
That's perfectly acceptable in my book, but from a practical vantage, when dealing with cops. It helps. At first, a cop is "sizing you up" for "an easy bust", waiting for you to "incriminate yourself". When, you limit yourself to "yes sir, no sir" your making it hard for them.
(KB)They just wanted to peacefully gather and celebrate 4:20.
A lot of strident 'law and order- drug warrior' types, are perfectly content to look the other way, if you "go somewhere else and do it". I don't think you can reasonably expect a lot of public sympathy for being a 'narco-terrorists'. Besides most people don't want to believe that entrapment, planting evidence, and beatings happen: "it only happens to nasty people and troublemakers..."
Secondly, nobody remembers what 'habeas corpus' is, or that there once was a law against 'unreasonable searches'. The cops use to need "reasonable grounds" to detain and search. As I understand it now, they pretty much can stop, ID and search you at will. Got beat up "resisting arrest" ? Your pretty much out of luck.
(d)Lawyers have sworn an allegiance to the state so they are never truly on your side,
Since, the government can revoke their license, pretty much at will, that's correct, their going to think about the gravy train first. And more than a few are ethically challenged to begin with. On the other hand, even a 'sold-out' of a lawyer can get you bailed out on a Thursday afternoon, when the police try the "nobody here to process the paperwork, you'll have to wait till Monday" routine. But, it does cost a lot.
(d)public defenders who are primarily making plea bargains so people can be railroaded through the system at smaller expense to the state,
Basically, if you end up with a PD, the deal is all about "how long are you going to prison for".
Anyway, I wish the 4:20 movement good luck, have fun and stay out of harms way. I think I got a partial contact 'buzz' going right now, well I do, because, I'm wondering if a good protest might try the 'reduction to absurd um' tactic and try a "FINALLY WIN THE DRUG WAR LAST YEAR RALLY", and things like "DEPORT DRUG DEALERS BACK TO MARS"....
Peace & Love, Buzz
Quote from: microtone on January 23, 2010, 07:28 PM NHFT
Greetings, I'm new to the boards. I do apologize in advance if anyone feels I'm quoting them out of context. It's just that I'm trying to pass on what may or may not be of help to activists and any other citizen.
(R) i don't say "yes sir" to anyone .... to say it to a cop would feel strange ....
That's perfectly acceptable in my book, but from a practical vantage, when dealing with cops. It helps. At first, a cop is "sizing you up" for "an easy bust", waiting for you to "incriminate yourself". When, you limit yourself to "yes sir, no sir" your making it hard for them.
I think cops are on a power trip and calling them officer strokes their already inflated ego. Anytime a cop is acting like a thug I won't call them officer.
Yes and no and 'I don't talk to cops' work just fine. I think calling someone sir or ma'am (addressing someone according to their sex) is sexists, so I won't do that.
I don't think you are wrong for trying to appease them as they 'size you up', I just refuse to be a boot licker.
Thanks for your input though, You seem very reasonable and have an interesting point of view. :)
A little mnemonic tribute, based on something improvised in the crowd yesterday:
46733--BIG MIKE
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHJqtgo8RA#)
COPYRIGHT 2010 by Sam A. Robrin or whoever the hell it is who writes these things. Go ahead and use it (hey,I lifted th melody), but if you make a little money on it, I want some!
John Doe, John Doe, they pretend that's you.
You do a duty no one much wants to.
On trumped-up charges behind prison bars,
All for confronting Manchester hussars.
John Doe, I have your number.
I'll send some gifts you'll like.
John Doe, more than a number.
46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike!
John Doe, John Doe, hero for freedom!
One of too few, and Oh! how we need 'em!
Your mind can't be confined in a cage like some bird,
Or pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or num-bered . . .
John Doe, I have your number.
I'll send some gifts you'll like.
John Doe, more than a number.
46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike!
I'll write you I'll write you At Mail (hyphen) To (hyphen) Jail.
I'll write you I'll write you The least I can do is send you mail.
John Doe, I have your number.
I'll send some gifts you'll like.
John Doe, more than a number.
46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike! 46733--Big Mike!
John Doe, John Doe, this we guarantee you: (46733--Big Mike!)
Those on the outside will be working to free you.
very cool
so where was everybody today? i drove to manchester this afternoon, looked everywhere for you guys and couldn't find you....so i went home. i guess i probably should have gotten someone's phone # first.
I've stood in front of veterans park alone a few times already.
If no one else can make it, please get out and hold a sign. :)
Quote from: Jared on January 24, 2010, 03:22 PM NHFT
so where was everybody today? i drove to manchester this afternoon, looked everywhere for you guys and couldn't find you....so i went home. i guess i probably should have gotten someone's phone # first.
Russell posted both directly above and on Facebook that the event was canceled.
In any case, the fun was Saturday afternoon at the 4:20 rally, which wound up at the jail anyway.
Quote from: Jared on January 24, 2010, 03:22 PM NHFT
so where was everybody today? i drove to manchester this afternoon, looked everywhere for you guys and couldn't find you....so i went home. i guess i probably should have gotten someone's phone # first.
i took sundays event off the calendar and posted about it
you could have held your own event and maybe someone else would have come along
to me it makes sense to have your own event in your own town on nice days and see who joins you
the cops have made it hard on brian manning to join the usual location at veterans park
i am sure the manch gang can figure out a way to have fun and meet up though
This is my last post about CD and DA, it involves the negative outcomes of some folk that I ran across over the years.
First off, I wish to say that I dropped out of the UNIVERSITY OF BRIDGEPORT LAW SCHOOL after half a year for "HEALTH" reasons 30 years ago. And all I can say is "FUCK YOU SYSTEM" I outlived you.
There's a reason why a 20 year depression won't even happen as the system tries and paper it's way out of the crack-up-boom . The ECOLOGY has collapsed. There's no free lunch at mother nature's hand left, either. Goodbye, AMERIKAN SCREAM.
Anyway, I ran across a couple of musically involved pacifists ND (Nuclear Disarmament) who shared their prison experiences with me. Now these people snuck onto military bases and carried on various Direct Actions.
Piss on the man legs and what do expect to get, but jail time. One of my friends move east settled down and was getting on with his life, just about the time his probation expired he ended up back in jail. He got out and his wife took him back.
Years, ago, before the internet, there were lot's of little zines, I subscribed to a few that ran occasional pieces about the ELF - EARTH LIBERATION FRONT. There were a few pieces about their occasional spontaneous 'actions' that caused the man a lot of grief to 'contain'. A bunch of years ago, I wrote them and told them to 'buzz off', if young kids were going to draw 20 or 30 years in prison for "eco-terrorism' , it weren't GOOD.
Moving on, the point about having bail money available in advance before an "illegal" right to peaceful assembly is that it's a technique used by professional criminals. Before a 'job' goes down, the members of the gang have to show up with bail money. Maybe that's why criminals rule the streets and political activists and poor folk fill up the "overcrowded" prisons.
DRUG WAR IDIOTS are never going to earn anything but my undying disdain. 75 years later and their even bigger idiots. The "Parade Permit" is the systems way around your "right to peaceful assembly".
Frankly, my approach has been to let THEM "rot on the vine and go to hell". And remember, be careful, the 'system is in hell', it's flim flam is falling apart, and the ENEMIES OF THE STATE to be blamed for their darkness, need to be found and punished.
Stay out of harms way.
Light & Love Buzz
Maybe I'm just dumb, but I can't ever figure out what that guy is trying to say.
I don't understand microtone's latest post, it's irrational.
I have never heard this term before:
QuotePiss on the man legs and what do expect to get
LOL
Quote from: djbridgeland on January 19, 2010, 02:08 PM NHFT
Latest is he was apparently arraigned in a separate room where they arraign some of the prisoners. Per the paperwork, Mike refused to identity himself, a public defender or enter a plea. The judge entered a plea of not guilty, set a court date of April 4 and set his bail at $5000. If he decides to identity himself his bail will be a PR bail.
So no one has actually seen or heard from Mike. Maybe they brought him to a separate room, so the people that went to Mike's arraignment could not see that the cops beat him to a pulp. There is no way to tell if he is still alive, no one can visit him or talk to him on the phone.
Has anyone heard from mike via the mail? They say he is getting mail, but who knows if they are sadistically holding back his mail to try to force Mike to tell them his name.
Maybe if enough people call the jail at 603-627-5620 they will issue a press release with some pictures to show that he is okay.
I am calling 603-627-5620 everyday until I or someone else gets a chance to see that Mike is okay. Kurt got hurt by those goons when they caged him. Mike might need to be helped by a specialize doctor which we can provide, if they are not. Considering how Kurt was treated by the government doctors when he was there I don't trust them.
Mike might be okay, but there is no evidence that shows us he is.
yeea
i guess that mike is sitting in some lonely cell wondering what will happen next month
there is no reason to assume that he is there and ok ... he is in the hands of thugs
As of Saturday from Joe (Mike's roommate) the jail will only allow visitors who Mike has personally asked for for privacy reasons. When we visited earlier after 420 we where told only blood relatives are allowed to visit. My understanding is Joe was intending to stop by daily until they actually allow him or someone with him to see Mike. My understanding was visitation hours are at 7 PM and be sure to arrive at least 30 minutes early. Haven't heard anything else since then.
Mike still needs a coherent strategy for the Court battle. Eventually they are going to try him for Assaulting a Police Officer. That sounds like a pretty serous charge even if it's complete B.S. If he is found guilty, is it a felony or misdemeanor? What is the min/max sentence? Is he getting a jury trial? Heck, are they even going to have a probable cause hearing? Maybe this is covered in another thread.
Quote from: djbridgeland on January 27, 2010, 12:56 AM NHFT
As of Saturday from Joe (Mike's roommate) the jail will only allow visitors who Mike has personally asked for for privacy reasons. When we visited earlier after 420 we where told only blood relatives are allowed to visit. My understanding is Joe was intending to stop by daily until they actually allow him or someone with him to see Mike. My understanding was visitation hours are at 7 PM and be sure to arrive at least 30 minutes early. Haven't heard anything else since then.
cool that he is showing up each day
we have had this happen before with Lauren ... where they say that she had to fill out forms to let people visit .... each jail is different
i am sure the visitation schedule is more complicated than 7pm each night .... they are always complicated
Quote from: jzacker on January 27, 2010, 11:15 AM NHFT
Mike still needs a coherent strategy for the Court battle.
I can understand it.
He doesn't want to cooperate with the court proceedings.
He is right now charged with something like a class A misd.
I bet he will not have a jury decide what to do with him, just a judge.
You can write him and ask about his coherent strategy.
When they won't let you communicate it is hard to be coherent.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 27, 2010, 12:03 PM NHFT
i am sure the visitation schedule is more complicated than 7pm each night .... they are always complicated
I think they invent rules to make sure no one can talk to people they kidnap.
I am going to go at 6:30 today to see if it true.
POSTCARDS
Be careful how you address postcards. I had some returned. I asked about it yesterday and it appears to be because they have automatic address readers that scan from the bottom up.
I was addressing mine like so:
TO:
John Doe
<address, zip>
FROM:
<address, zip>
On a typical letter, the "TO" address is lower so that's the way it reads it. If you put a return address on the postcard, just reverse the order so the "TO" address is the lower one.
I just tried to put out a Porc411 on this and got cut off.
Quote from: dalebert on January 27, 2010, 01:34 PM NHFT
POSTCARDS
Be careful how you address postcards. I had some returned. I asked about it yesterday and it appears to be because they have automatic address readers that scan from the bottom up.
I was addressing mine like so:
TO:
John Doe
<address, zip>
FROM:
<address, zip>
On a typical letter, the "TO" address is lower so that's the way it reads it. If you put a return address on the postcard, just reverse the order so the "TO" address is the lower one.
I just tried to put out a Porc411 on this and got cut off.
SAR reported that they were sending all Mikes mail back: http://freekeene.com/2010/01/24/keeniacs-join-manchs-420-event/#comment-86107 (http://freekeene.com/2010/01/24/keeniacs-join-manchs-420-event/#comment-86107)
All Mail-to-Jail letters to BigMike are being rejected. Marlene at the Valley Street jail claims they have a policy at least 10 years old to reject mail from a third party, and she says Mail-to-Jail is a third party. Ironic that if you want to send a prisoner a book it must be from a third party.
I'm working on ways to get mail to BigMike. Meanwhile, anyone who wants to call the jail and let them know that the jail is interfering with federal laws regarding mail tampering, or that the jail's own rules are contradictory, or that you'll call the jail every hour until they deliver to BigMike his mail, or whatever, could only help.
Also, they claim to no longer have a John Doe #46733 on their records and are rejecting even direct personal mail to him. Instead, address your letters to Michael Tiner PID#46733.
Just so I understand this now -- the jail says they don't have John Doe, but DO have Mike Tiner. And he's being held because he won't tell them his name.
Gee, does this sound REAL familiar?
I guess if he goes on a hunger strike, they'll throw him out of the jail one day when they're ready.
I talked to the people at the jail, they would not let me see him. Mike has to write you first, but they are not giving him mail, so you can't give him your address.
I asked if he was eating and the thug answer with a high pitched stressed voice and would not give me a straight answer the thug stated that he 'was not aware'. I don't think Mike is eating.
The thug also said that Mike is being held on 5k bail because the "state" does not have his name. They work for the county, so it doesn't count. So basically the state of NH is paying the county to cage Mike, and they don't care why they are holding him. They just want that money from the state that they get for keeping Mike in a cage.
No one being able to see Mike at his arraignment is a problem between us and the state tu, not his jail (According to the thug.) They still refuse to let anyone see him. What do they have to hide?
Mike has to mail you so you can see him, but no one is getting any mail from Mike. There is no evidence that they are letting Mike send Mail and they are sending all Mikes mail back.
I think they want him to believe he does not have support on the outside, to mentally brake him in to giving the state his name.
do the thugs not realize how bad all of this looks, or do they just not care?
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 27, 2010, 05:47 PM NHFT
I asked if he was eating and the thug answer with a high pitched stressed voice and would not give me a straight answer the thug stated that he 'was not aware'. I don't think Mike is eating.
i am thinking that the cop is really worried .... because Mike is eating too much ... he is eating his way out.
how do you think he got the nickname Big Mike ;D
Quote from: Jared on January 27, 2010, 05:59 PM NHFT
do the thugs not realize how bad all of this looks, or do they just not care?
They don't care.
they wish we would stop bothering them and just let them get back to eating donuts, complaining about their pay and working conditions, and waiting for retirement
they don't completely understand how bad this looks and how it could change their lives
some of them like messing with people
some of them are just really incompetent
they are kidnappers .... and when mike doesn't fully cooperate with them, it reveals the gun in the room
on friday morning I think I will stop by for a photo op outside of Big Mikes jail
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 28, 2010, 04:54 AM NHFT
they wish we would stop bothering them and just let them get back to . . . complaining about their pay and working conditions
Actually, their favorite thing to complain about is how nobody respects police anymore . . .
Is anyone interested in a daily vigil at the jail?
My understanding on visits is that attorneys get to visit any time, basically around 9 to 5 or 5:30 every day, and other visitors have to be requested by mail by Mike, and his visiting hours once established were going to be one half hour once a week, but up to 2 adults and 2 children at any one time - so if there were more they had to rotate and take up only a portion of the half hour.
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on January 28, 2010, 07:11 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 28, 2010, 04:54 AM NHFT
they wish we would stop bothering them and just let them get back to . . . complaining about their pay and working conditions
Actually, their favorite thing to complain about is how nobody respects police anymore . . .
if only that were true!
Quote from: www on January 28, 2010, 03:26 PM NHFT
Is anyone interested in a daily vigil at the jail?
My understanding on visits is that attorneys get to visit any time, basically around 9 to 5 or 5:30 every day, and other visitors have to be requested by mail by Mike, and his visiting hours once established were going to be one half hour once a week, but up to 2 adults and 2 children at any one time - so if there were more they had to rotate and take up only a portion of the half hour.
When are you going to be there? If you are there when I am not at work I might see you there. Candles work well at night, but i's also really cold, which means I can't commit to every day.
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on January 28, 2010, 07:11 AM NHFT
Actually, their favorite thing to complain about is how nobody respects police anymore . . .
8)
I haven't been around them as much as you lately ..... and you must be hangin' with a particularly disrespectin crowd. :icon_pirat:
But as jared said ... isn't that what it is all about? Many people are realising the cops are not there to help you.
Quote from: www on January 28, 2010, 03:26 PM NHFT
Is anyone interested in a daily vigil at the jail?
i will visit it for a photo op today
it would help mike and the entire cause if you visit often
when i was in the strafford co jail they wouldn't let anyone talk to me but a lawyer ..... they let Kat call on the lawyer only phone to try and talk me into cooperating .... so we got to talk for half an hour, and i got to get outside of my hot cell ... the other guys couldn't believe that i was talking to my wife, but one of them could hear my conversation and said "he said 'I love you' to whoever it was about 10 time and noone likes his lawyer that much" :)
Quote from: Russell Kanning
But as jared said ... isn't that what it is all about? Many people are realising the cops are not there to help you.
I had a slightly heated discussion just today about the SCOTUS ruling that police are not legally obligated to protect the citizenry ... people just refuse to open their eyes. They call me a cop hater , and I hate no one .. I have to admit I have no good feelings for people who wear uniforms and gleefully handcuff someone who has not hurt or stolen from someone
I hope Mike is doing OK .
Elmer Fudd and Shorty Dawkins visited manchester city hall, their arrest park, and jail
we have a few stills and moving pictures
the wind chill helped us do only one take at each location
here we are in front of city hall
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-AKDcjbwX8#)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-AKDcjbwX8#)
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 26, 2010, 03:06 PM NHFT
I don't understand microtone's latest post, it's irrational.
sorry if i wasn't lucid. the said post was about irrational people in an irrational world and the extreme force used to by the state.
still that's no excuse for not being understandable.
best, buzz
Quote from: microtone on January 30, 2010, 12:09 PM NHFT
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sorry if i wasn't lucid. the said post was about irrational people in an irrational world and the extreme force used to by the state.
still that's no excuse for not being understandable.
best, buzz
I did not say that you were irrational. I said the post was... ("It's irrational" is not about a person.)
Please don't take it personal, you are not your post. :)
Quote from: thinkliberty on January 30, 2010, 02:31 PM NHFT
I did not say that you were irrational. I said the post was... ("It's irrational" is not about a person.)
Please don't take it personal, you are not your post. :)
Goodness, that's extremely mild in comparison to what I've been called in the past 2 weeks. One person called me an "ignorant ass.... that didn't know s&*t about how things worked", because I didn't agree that "taking care of the illegals would solve everything..." And then some witch nearly handed me my gonads...." the government can spend all they want, and things will be fine...."
Whiter sanity ?
But to get back on subject. Does anybody know when THC was first isolated ? My memory is quite at variance with WIKIPEDIA, like a hundred years difference and I can't seem to find a particular book or other reference.
Anyway, I did see references in a herbal manual and have tried making tea with cannabis, it's quite stimulating, but it has nothing to do with the THC as it's not water soluble. It's fairly obscure and now the information seems to have "gone up in smoke".
I really thought that there should be a medical marijuana thread. But besides being totally confused, it seems I've woken up in a parallel universe.
best, buzz
This just goes to show that while taking drugs certainly should be legal, taking a lot of them might not be a good idea.
it is great to hear that the manch guys (do we have a nickname for them?) are going to contact the jail basically every hour and visit every day
what happened yesterday?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on January 31, 2010, 09:51 AM NHFT
...the manch guys (do we have a nickname for them?)...
Jim coined the term "Manchkins." I love it.
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 31, 2010, 10:19 AM NHFT
Jim coined the term "Manchkins." I love it.
I do too! Actually competitive with the cuteness of "Keeniacs".
Manchkins. I think I like that.
Quote from: dalebert on January 31, 2010, 12:49 PM NHFT
Quote from: Mike Barskey on January 31, 2010, 10:19 AM NHFT
Jim coined the term "Manchkins." I love it.
I do too! Actually competitive with the cuteness of "Keeniacs".
Keeniacs, Manchkins, what else is left...
Seacoast?
Nashua?
Concord - something Emerald Cityish needed here
The Map of the Shire gets some new labels....
Graftonian or, Graftonite subset: Hoytians
We're our own subspecies.
Here's a video of Rich Paul speaking to a jail officer at Valley St. Jail after this week's 420 there
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQj2hFPhsdA#)
Sorry. You're just a peoples.
I am not from the area, but has anyone contacted the county sheriff or mayor?
Has anyone requested that they deliver mail and receive mail, for the group from there office to Mike in person? Maybe even get video of his well being?
Quote from: Llloyd Danforth on January 31, 2010, 02:18 PM NHFT
Graftonian or, Graftonite subset: Hoytians
I live in Hooksett.
Can I please be referred to as a Hook-er?
No, no! It has to be Hookster!
Ask and you shall receive.
Here are some pics and a movie from mini-protests that Russell and I did recently: http://www.nhfair.com/gallery_events/207 (http://www.nhfair.com/gallery_events/207)
During the first protest at Valley Street (the day of their "public" arraignment for Big Mike), we noticed one parking spot in the Valley Street jail parking lot that was unused, even though the lot was practically full. Here's my theory as to why it was left vacant.
more info
http://www.420at420.org/stories/2010/01/31/protest_video (http://www.420at420.org/stories/2010/01/31/protest_video)
Quote from: Hooker on February 01, 2010, 02:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: Llloyd Danforth on January 31, 2010, 02:18 PM NHFT
Graftonian or, Graftonite subset: Hoytians
I live in Hooksett.
Can I please be referred to as a Hook-er?
Well...that's a fair request. It was direct and right from the Whores's mouth. :P
Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 01, 2010, 10:24 AM NHFT
During the first protest at Valley Street (the day of their "public" arraignment for Big Mike), we noticed one parking spot in the Valley Street jail parking lot that was unused, even though the lot was practically full. Here's my theory as to why it was left vacant.
LMFAO !! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KERTbrhtHcc#)
FYI: I just sent this email to James O'Mara (jmojr@hillsboroughcountydoc.org), the superintendent of Valley Street jail:
QuoteMr. O'Mara -
My name is Mike. I'm a volunteer at Mail-to-Jail (http://mail-to-jail.com (http://mail-to-jail.com)). Mail-to-Jail exists solely to make it easier for people to send letters to prisoners. We do not write letters, nor do we read them or censor them (except the minimal amount we must to assure they meet jail mail policies, such as affixed labels, too much paper per envelope, no contraband, etc.). Our purpose is to facilitate communication to prisoners from their loved ones outside of jail. We accept donations so that we can pay for printer ink, envelopes, postage, etc., and we volunteer our time to print and mail the letters.
Recently, all the letters we sent to one particular prisoner have been returned to us by the post office. Upon speaking to a clerk at the jail and her supervisor, we learned that the staff at the jail rejected the letters because they were addressed improperly and because the jail does not accept letters from third parties.
When this particular prisoner, Michael Tiner, was placed in jail, he was held as "John Doe." An agent of the jail told me that he could not give me John Doe's CCN because it would be a breach of security (although we have obtained numerous other CCNs from jail staff without problem), but he assured me that mail sent to "John Doe" at the Willow Street mailing address would be delivered. An hour later, another phone call to the jail revealed that John Doe's CCN was 46733, so all our mail was address to "John Doe, CCN 46733." Yet that mail was rejected by the jail. A supervisor, whose name I think is Marlene, told me that the jail did not have a John Doe; when asked who prisoner 46733 was, she told me it was Michael Tiner. So, despite an agent of the jail assuring us that mail addressed so would be delivered, it was not. But she also told me that mail from third parties was not accepted.
I asked her how new this policy was and she told me in her 10 years tenure at the jail, that rule had always existed. Yet in the past year, we have sent numerous letters to prisoners at that jail without a problem. In addition, her interpretation of this policy can't be correct or complete, as the jail has another policy that contradicts it: any books *must* be sent to prisoners directly *from* a third party (from a publisher or book store). I also asked Marlene whether the jail's ability to reject mail for any reason jibed with the federal laws regarding mail tampering, but she did not have a response.
The purpose of my letter is to request your help. I'd like your assistance to assure that letters that people send to their loved ones in your jail through our charitable service, do indeed get to their destination. Is there a list of permissible senders that your staff refer to when rejecting mail, that Mail-to-Jail can be placed on so that letters from us do not get rejected? Or if Mail-to-Jail is on a list of prohibited senders, can you have us removed? Is there something we can do differently to help the jail staff assure delivery of the letters we mail to prisoners? Is there something we can do that we're currently not doing, or not do that we're currently doing, that would facilitate the jail staff in delivering the letters?
Thank you very much for your assistance. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the prisoners under your care will thank you for your assistance in their receiving their mail.
- Mike Barskey
Mail-to-Jail
My letter to Mike was sent back, too. (Not sent thru mail-to-jail)
Excellent letter, Mike.
You may want to send it as an editorial to some local newspapers and let the jail know that you're doing same.
soon kat will be making the print edition of the paper, and there will be a manchester page
is their one article we should run in regards to mike?
Big Mike is free!
YAY!!!!!
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QuoteJoe ? Skinner Just got word that Mike was brought to the court this morning to be brought before the robed man to hear about his motion. Apparently his motion was approved and now is being shipped back to the jail so he can grab his property and then released. Thanks for everyone's time, effort and help with this.
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;D 8)
Frigid
so now he gets to be tried for assault huh?
from the fire to the frying pan
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 04, 2010, 05:29 AM NHFT
so now he gets to be tried for assault huh?
from the fire to the frying pan
I hope the video shown on Youtube of the "assault" is shown in court. It will probably never even make it that far: as soon as the prosecutor sees it, he's going to drop this hot potato.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 04, 2010, 05:29 AM NHFT
so now he gets to be tried for assault huh?
from the fire to the frying pan
I'm thinking a rally at the jail this Saturday--no matter which side of the bars Mike is on--would be just the thing to publicize and continue to keep relevant the inanity and injustice of the charge. If I can get transportation to Manchester this weekend, I'd be willing, and with sufficient notice, I could bring signs and songs.
well don't they do 420 stuph when the weather is nice? .... they can tour by the jail to talk to their old donut lovin friends
Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 04, 2010, 05:29 AM NHFT
so now he gets to be tried for assault huh?
from the fire to the frying pan
"from the fire to the frying pan"You got that right! Way to boil it down brother!
And I guess because it's not the Deep Fryer, Mike is supposed to be thankful.
New comic posted on this subject.
http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/02/04/egos-of-glass/ (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/02/04/egos-of-glass/)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 01, 2010, 06:34 AM NHFT
Ask and you shall receive.
Oh snap :'(
I meant it more as a reference than a change to my nickname :'(
That's OK I was branded 'Sugar Pants' for awhile. ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 04, 2010, 02:38 PM NHFT
That's OK I was branded 'Sugar Pants' for awhile. ;D
Welp.... This forum is the Kanning's private property, so I suppose if they want to change my handle to Hooker I must live with it.
And besides, at least I'm not called 'Sugar Pants' :D
(Or will I?)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 04, 2010, 02:38 PM NHFT
That's OK I was branded 'Sugar Pants' for awhile. ;D
And you still are, in certain circles. ;)
Quote from: KBCraig on February 04, 2010, 03:32 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on February 04, 2010, 02:38 PM NHFT
That's OK I was branded 'Sugar Pants' for awhile. ;D
And you still are, in certain circles. ;)
Well now. Aren't I just excited to see what the Kanning's decide to do with me on their forum :D
Quote from: Hooker on February 04, 2010, 02:45 PM NHFT
And besides, at least I'm not called 'Sugar Pants' :D
(Or will I?)
Are you asking to be?
;D
Don't look at her directly... behind that innocence is pure evil!
(http://www.politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/images/KAT-IS-EVIL!!!_avatar.gif)
Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 04, 2010, 04:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: Hooker on February 04, 2010, 02:45 PM NHFT
And besides, at least I'm not called 'Sugar Pants' :D
(Or will I?)
Are you asking to be?
I submit myself to your fair justice, mam.
Call him Merle.
Can't we all just call him Russell? That would make things much less confusing.
There you go!
Hey everybody. I wanted to drop in and say a quick thank you to everyone for their support.
There are a lot of comments here that I want to respond to and I'll be spending the next couple of days playing catch up. I couldn't get my phone to stop ringing yesterday and today looks like I'm going to be incredibly busy as well.
You all are a great bunch of people. Your support means so much to me and I truly appreciate everyone's concern for my well being.
This isn't over yet for me, nor is it for Brian whom with I haven't even spoken to yet. I do think when the smoke clears from all of this that both of us will be exonerated.
But thank you again for everything you did. I am truly honored to call you all my friends.
Will Sugar Pants or the Hooker be upset if people start talking about Big Mike's arrested again?
Will the thread turn to how great Kat looks as a flaming redhead?
Stay Tuned.
Darn commercial breaks...
Good to hear from you again, bigmike (or should that be Russell)...
Hi Brian and Big Mike. Very courageous.
Hi Rich Paul. Sticking up for a fellow rebel.
Then Barsky and Russell for more protest of support.
Thanks for your protest, speaking to the oppression of a subculture.
Glad you are out but there is that sword still hanging o'er your head....
So here is a fitting song by Joni from me to you 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMD7mcEpU6U&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMD7mcEpU6U&feature=player_embedded#)
PL :_fire__by_zacthetoad:
For those who haven't heard, Big Mike is out. He requested bail, and Brian Travis and a crew showed up to get him out.
(Very) Raw Video of Big Mike's Bail Ordeal (1 of 4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nci-WO1QFi0#)
(Very) Raw Video of Big Mike's Bail Ordeal (2 of 4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0s-jUoCV_s#)
(Very) Raw Video of Big Mike's Bail Ordeal (3 of 4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7fvkY4rVro#)
(Very) Raw Video of Big Mike's Bail Ordeal (4 of 4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5_HPNgZ1wY#)
;D 8)
(http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-OhSnap_Bear.jpg)
Glad you're out and safe for now Mike. Good luck in whatever you do next. What you've done so far is inspirational. Thanks.