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We need to vote on where to have the meeting.

I've only been to this event at Mickey's upstairs and Mickey's downstairs. I've also been to Salt Hill for other events. I like Salt Hill, but it's 45 minutes away from me: ugh. I like Mickey's, and prefer their downstairs area.

I've not been to Canaan Pizza or the Danbury Inn, but they're both much closer to me, so I wouldn't mind them for the sake of ease. But if an even closer to Grafton would be such a pain in the ass for everyone else in the upper valley, I would rather go further to an event that more people were willing to attend.

I also think it might not be a bad idea to meet at a different location each time, so long as where/when the event was happening each time was communicated clearly and adequately (e.g., in advance).

Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 01, 2010, 04:38 PM NHFT
I also think it might not be a bad idea to meet at a different location each time, so long as where/when the event was happening each time was communicated clearly and adequately (e.g., in advance).

Amen.

Just my opinion. 

Canaan Pizza has poor seating, bright lighting, ok food, and closes early. 

Mickeys is good upstairs, downstairs is bad seating, bright lights and more than half way to Salt Hill. 

Salt Hill is awesome and not much further than Mickeys.

I havent been to Danbury Inn...

I think having it at a different place each time is a terrible idea, adding inconsistency is always bad for business in meeting situations.

So, lemme get something off my chest publicly first. It always irks me just a little bit that we live in a state that taxes prepared food directly and when we gather we pull groups of anti-tax activists into the kind of building that submits funds to the state because of our voluntary choice to be there.

I know none of the poll choices alleviate that, but "Having it at a private residence" was floated on the Facebook thread. And that appeals to me the absolute most.

QuoteI've not been to Canaan Pizza or the Danbury Inn, but they're both much closer to me, so I wouldn't mind them for the sake of ease.

I've been to Caanan VP and I don't like it. I find it physically uncomfortable and the lack of table space ends up breaking the group into smaller groups. I like the roundtable aspect where jokes and conversations are open and inclusive when I go to this kind of gathering.

I'm open to trying the Danbury Inn. I've never been there before which means I don't know how well suited it would be for these kind of gatherings but I like trying new places.

I also agree with this. One benefit we have over Social Sunday in Keene is that this does NOT happen every week, so it (IMO) doesn't become confusing and tedious to figure it out.

I like meeting close to grafton. Of coarse we could just meet at one of our houses.
I like the danbury inn idea .... except it cuts out the westerners
i like mickeys basement
I like salt hill pub .... except the distance
i don't like paying for others to cook and taxes

Does it have to be Tuesday...it conflicts with Taproom.

Silent Bob just suggested that we could have it here at the Man Cave. There are advantages and disadvantages to every spot, so there will never be a consensus. All the more reason why rotating locations is not such a bad idea. It's not like we have to do a phone tree to get the word out. And, as Kat points out, there's no reason why it has to be Tuesdays.

If we decide not to subsidize the state and to go for potluck, I'm willing to put my place in Eastman into the ring.  The BBQ is handy, and the AV setup might be useful, if only for the occasional Scroogle.

Once you learn the back road trick (yes, even in winter), it's only 15 min. from Jerry's place.

Just a thought...

Yeah, I agree with Kat, where's the "Have it on Monday" option?

Ideally I'd like to be able to see people (willing to spend the gas money) able to hit every regional gathering of liberty lovers we have.

Quote from: Kat Kanning on February 01, 2010, 07:17 PM NHFT
Does it have to be Tuesday...it conflicts with Taproom.

I don't mind having it on another day, but I don't see the big deal. How many people from the upper valley go to Manch every week? How many Manchkins come to the upper valley every week? Hardly any. It's far away.

Quote from: Mike Barskey on February 01, 2010, 11:04 PM NHFT
I don't mind having it on another day, but I don't see the big deal. How many people from the upper valley go to Manch every week? How many Manchkins come to the upper valley every week? Hardly any. It's far away.

It's not that far away. And before it was on Tuesday there were quite a few people who traveled back and forth in both directions. Having these on the same night forces people to choose one or the other, and sharply reduces the number of people willing to visit with others in other parts of the state. I don't think this is a good thing. Eventually we will have so many people here that there are gatherings every night of the week in every part of the state, even in Coos County, and this will likely be a non-issue. But for today I think it does a disservice to all of us.

I think I heard a commitment in that last post! Change it to Monday!  It might be the only way we ever set eyes on Mike.

i like another day of the week ... since it doesn't have to match up with the tuesday thing in lebanon
i prefer someones home also

If it was on Monday, people visiting the state could attend Social Sundays in Keene, this event on Monday, Taproom Tuesdays in Manch or Movie Night in Winchester on Tuesday and the Dover Social on Wednesday.

Add to that the possibility that one of the regular members at each meeting will supply a place where said visitor can crash and you add to Fluff's, extremely, strategic suggestion.
Folks on a budget could do a week in NH for gas and whatever meals that we didn't invite them too.

To add my $0.02:

I love the idea of doing a house-party or potluck.  Everybody is on a budget, and nobody wants to give money to the state.  I'd rather go someplace where I don't feel obligated to buy food.

HOWEVER, the advantage of gathering at a restaurant or another business that's "open to the public" is that newbies, people who aren't familiar with the region, and locals can just "drop in" and know that we'll be there. (Just last week we had a couple of people at Liberty Tuesday who were new and drove a long way to get there in an effort to meet people in different regions.)  Also, house parties have some limitations: they can only accommodate so many people.  Sometimes the hosts don't want to invite strangers or specific individuals into their homes.  Sometimes newbies might be deterred by the prospect of going to someone's home that they don't know.

I think having the event at Salt Hill on the last Tuesday of the month and a house party/potluck/game night monthly on another day (as long as it repeats consistently every month) is the best of both worlds. 

About the day: it really doesn't matter to me.  The Salt Hill gathering has been going for... years, as I understand it , and there are locals who drop in sometimes - but they know it's always on the last Tuesday of every month.  I think it's essential to have that consistency. 

I wouldn't mind having the 2nd week-of-the-month event on a non-Tuesday.  The 2nd Monday of the month is fine, but if we do this at someone's home, what matters most is what day is convenient for the host. 

However, no matter what day we do this, it's going to conflict with something.  For instance, there is a MTG night in Manchester on Monday evenings.  Are we dividing the pool of attendees if we gather on Monday nights?  I now get regular invites to two Saturday night events in Keene - Karaoke and Contra Karaoke, for people who don't like karaoke!  Are they dividing the attendees?  The point is that there already are multiple things going on every night for liberty lovers, and that is an excellent problem to have!    If two conflicting events are both well-attended, that's the market speaking.

Hi,
Can we modify ballot for including Guisanoes?
I would like you all Freetowners to consider 1 trip a month into the W Leb Miracle Mile restaurant "Guisanoes". Great Mex food primarily, open bar, meeting room. Manager Nick requested that we make his restaurant our home. This is really a great place.
I of course also hate the tax on prepared foods, but love this food so much, it weakens my resolve to  avoid spending  to be taxed.
Also My house is available (close in Plainfield) for this but it still a drive for Freetowners, not bad when you are in Leb.
If I were still a Freetowner I would come in 1 time a month for stuff like groceries at the same time, then it is less wasteful. ::)
Also park/ picnic venues will be an option hopefully soon.     PL

Total cost is probably the best argument for a pot-luck - somehow I spent $23 for dinner at the last LT and that's without alcohol! (I mean, yes, I was a little piggy, but still..)  There have been several requests for this, but until this thread we lacked a place.  Now we have two!  That's super.

But taxes are somewhat of a strawman unless we're all raising our own food - 22% of that loaf of bread you buy is embedded federal income tax.  More taxes == bad, but we're not getting away from taxation by avoiding restaurants if food is involved.  But we have to eat to survive.

I can't make second Tuesdays, so I'm selfishly all for another day.  But second Mondays I have Zoning Board!  But not every month.  It's a nice spacing though, and if it's announced a few days in advance everybody should be able to find it.  The only problem will be if we wear out our welcome at only two places - let's make an concious effort to rotate the potluck as frequently as we can.

I hope zim  doesn't mind...I edited the poll to include Guisanoes and potlucks.  People can change their votes since there's different choices now.

He's bummed that anyone is discussing any options other than his poll :D

Really?  I can't believe he's awake.

Boy, this discussion has moved all over the place.  I agree with the last Tuesday remaining at Salt Hill.  I also agree that the 2nd meeting can, and possibly should, be moved to another day so as not to compete with Manch.  I generally dance on Monday nights, so I probably won't be able to make it if it's on Mondays.  We already have a pot luck on Sunday nights (which is open to everyone, just let us know you're coming), so I would vote against having another meet-up that night.

Gusanoz is an interesting suggestion, though I don't really like the food or the service. However, when I go there for their salsa dances, I feel no pressure to eat -- I usually just order a Sprite, which, if I sit at the bar, they continually fill up for me.  Maybe we can combine the two events. :)  I think salsa is second Saturday.

Personally, we're more likely to go if it's closer to us -- Enfield feels like the far end, though on occasion we'd travel farther of course. But maybe we can learn the back roads through Eastman.

OLA, Mucho Gusto Gusanoes >:D :icon_pirat: :_fire__by_zacthetoad: :_fire__by_zacthetoad: :_fire__by_zacthetoad: :icon_cat: :blob6: :boogie: :icon_joker: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2: :bdance2:

Maybe Zim is out getting a tattoo....

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I changed my vote to potlucks. I think it would be more fun at people's homes, provide more variety if we rotated homes, be cheaper than eating in restaurants, be more accommodating regarding distance since sometimes people "here" would have to drive far and sometimes people "there" would have to drive far, and be more participatory in that everyone would be making/sharing food.

Hi guys and gals,

We should figure out when and where we're going to do this because the 2nd week of the month is upon us. :)

From following this thread it sounds like there are a lot of people who want to try a potluck, and it's winning the poll, so let's do one this week.  Those who volunteered to host should choose the day that's best for them.  Really, any weekday would work.

I'll promote this on facebook and via Porc411 if the host wishes.

We'd like to host the first potluck this week at Hoyt Park (our home in Grafton - contact us for directions), on Wednesday, Feb 10. 5:00p until 10p or 11p - come when you can, leave when you want.

My hope is that each month will be hosted in a different location, so if you drive a long way this time, you might nit have to drive far (or at all) next time. And I think I'll enjoy the relaxed atmosphere in our homes more than in a restaurant. And, if course, it'll be cheaper.

Please bring food, games, music, and a fun mood. See you Wednesday! 

Awesome, Mike!!  Thanks a lot to all the folks at the Hoyt Farm. :)   Should be a great time!

Would you like me to make a facebook event and Porc411 call?

Quote from: the_liberty_belle on February 08, 2010, 09:01 PM NHFT
Would you like me to make a facebook event and Porc411 call?

That's a great idea. Please do. And thanks!

this months food potluck ..... HOT food

Quote from: Russell Kanning on February 09, 2010, 05:35 AM NHFT
this months food potluck ..... HOT food

It's always hot when the Upper Valley Liberty crew is involved.  ;)

Facebook event here: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=298358602342&index=1 (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=298358602342&index=1)

Let me know when and if you want to come to our humble place in Plainfield. Could run you out here easy from our vehicle if you park at Wallmart, option. PL

Quote from: PattyLee loves dogs on February 09, 2010, 11:12 AM NHFT
Let me know when and if you want to come to our humble place in Plainfield. Could run you out here easy from our vehicle if you park at Wallmart, option. PL

My idea for this event is that people will volunteer to host it each month. If you would like to host a potluck at your house, PattyLee, please volunteer and we'll publicize the next one at your house. You can even choose the date, since we're no longer married to Tuesdays. :)

Thank you Patty! :)

We'll have to figure out the time and place in advance of each month if we continue the potluck tradition.  Here seems like the best place to do it.

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