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Title: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: thinkliberty on October 07, 2010, 06:10 PM NHFT
Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper's New Born From Hospital (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvZRM-P46rI#)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: bigmike on October 07, 2010, 07:17 PM NHFT
I just shared this on Facebook. Anyone hear anything about this? I was looking for a news story or to find where in NH this guy is from but couldn't find anything. I tried the fiance's FB page but couldn't understand the last name.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 07, 2010, 09:39 PM NHFT
John Irish & Stephanie Janvrin are the names. There is activity on other forums, but no more information.

I'm left wondering about the whole story, not much to go on at this point.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: thinkliberty on October 08, 2010, 06:56 AM NHFT
an update is here:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/07/oath-keepers-statement-about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/ (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/07/oath-keepers-statement-about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Jim Johnson on October 08, 2010, 09:06 AM NHFT
Even the Oath Keepers aren't sure what is going on.

Is there any real information on what is happening with this situation?
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: thinkliberty on October 08, 2010, 11:33 AM NHFT
There is this on infowars.com (I am not a fan of alex jones)

(http://static.infowars.com/2010/10/i/article-images/irishdoc.jpg)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Blain on October 08, 2010, 11:52 AM NHFT
He is being interviewed on Alex Jones right now, 10/08's show, giving all the details. (I AM a fan of Alex Jones)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: AntonLee on October 08, 2010, 11:54 AM NHFT
not trying to defend the state in any manner but what gives with the same font/size in the entire letter but a change of size and it seems a bit bolder on that last paragraph.  Just strikes me as odd.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 08, 2010, 12:08 PM NHFT

Question:

Item #5 states that they've been involved in a 21 month ordeal concerning 2 other children.

Does anyone know what that is all about?

.... wait a sec... I put on the Jones show to listen... and...

Irish just said that it was based on a bogus charge that DCYF fabricated from an innocent statement from Stephanie where she said that they fight sometimes, but make up and that has gotten turned into her saying that he domestically assaulted her. That could also be the basis they have for saying that he can't have firearms.

Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: AntonLee on October 08, 2010, 12:14 PM NHFT
even if he did hit her, is that a reason to take his kids away (because he has guns?)

so if a cop beats his wife he gets his kids taken away.  There was a cop in MA who beat his wife while plastered and led his coworkers on a high speed chase into Hampton NH.  He's now the selectman of Salisbury, MA.  Charges dropped.  Go figure.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 08, 2010, 12:18 PM NHFT
Evidently there was a comment made to them that his having firearms has constituted "putting the children in danger" and his belief that you can't trust the government isn't conducive to a good home environment for the children.

idk, but from the one-sided interview, it's sounding pretty bad for DCYF...

And you know that there are two sets of rules... one for them and one for us peons...

The latest guest is talking about how this is a big push to take children away from freedom-loving people ("patriots"?) that question the system across the country...
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 08, 2010, 12:22 PM NHFT

I didn't get the particulars, perhaps someone else can find out...

There was mention of a hearing on 10/14 @ 1PM. Don't know where or anything else. It went by pretty fast.

She says it started when she was stopped with a gun in her car. I thought that wasn't a problem in NH? Maybe she didn't prostrate herself correctly for the right piece of paper... hmmmm...



Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Jim Johnson on October 08, 2010, 12:34 PM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on October 08, 2010, 11:54 AM NHFT
not trying to defend the state in any manner but what gives with the same font/size in the entire letter but a change of size and it seems a bit bolder on that last paragraph.  Just strikes me as odd.

I think that that is an optical thing caused by the yellow highlight.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 08, 2010, 12:35 PM NHFT
More info from their interview that just finished...

Story of HIS gun charge:

He went in to have his wisdom teeth out. She was 21 weeks pregnant, so she couldn't carry on her pants which didn't have a belt loop, so she put her gun into her laptop case. They were waiting for them with cop cars from three towns and this all went down in their driveway. (BTW, SHE has a CCW permit, so it was OK.) When she got out of the car, they separated her from him (he was drugged from the wisdom teeth operation), asked where her gun was, she showed them. They confiscated the gun and charged HIM with unlawful possession of a concealed firearm. The charge has been reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor because it simply doesn't fly as a felony since it wasn't even his gun. (Something was said about a relative that is in politics of law enforcement or something that they don't get along with, but I missed it...) He's going to fight the charge, but that's been used, in part, as the basis for kidnapping their baby.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 08, 2010, 01:06 PM NHFT

I'm late for a meeting, so I gotta run.

Supposedly, there is a protest organized by FSP for 3PM @ Concord Hospital.

Any further news or info?

(I haven't really seen FSP organize much of anything along those lines... )

Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: KBCraig on October 08, 2010, 01:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: AntonLee on October 08, 2010, 11:54 AM NHFT
not trying to defend the state in any manner but what gives with the same font/size in the entire letter but a change of size and it seems a bit bolder on that last paragraph.  Just strikes me as odd.

It does look different, but it also looks like a fax, and things typically get distorted when fed through a fax machine.

Also, I have to chuckle at the bureaucrat who redacted the baby's name on the first line of a document titled: RE: CHEYENNE IRISH.

::)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 08, 2010, 01:59 PM NHFT

Back...

I've read/heard conflicting info on this, so I'll ask in case someone can shed some light...

#5 mentions the case for neglect involving 2 other children.

Questions:

Are those also J. Irish's children? (I believe so, but...)

Does anyone have any information on what those charges are about? (Evidently it was the previous unlicensed CCW charge against him. Sometimes, in those situations, the kids can still be left with the mother as long as the father finds some place to stay. I'm confused...)

Were those children taken away already? (I've read that they were with their other two children at home when they got this paperwork about baby Cheyenne... which suggests that the previous charges were BS...
but that's just open speculation on my part...)

Any enlightenment is appreciated...
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 08, 2010, 02:03 PM NHFT
John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq8zhXKXHR0#ws)
Title: NH young copule BABY taken ONE DAY old at hospital !!! John Irish and Stephanie
Post by: karenijohnson on October 08, 2010, 03:43 PM NHFT
http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/ (http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/)
free state project involved. Court hearing next thursday october 14, 2010 (APPROXIMATE)

What was supposed to be one of the most joyous occasions of their lives turned into a nightmare for John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin, after they were told by The Director of Security and the Head Nurse at Concord Hospital that their baby would be taken to be checked by the hospital pediatrician.

"They lied to us – they got us to allow them to take our daughter under false pretenses, we didn't even have a choice," said Irish.

When Irish tried to stop his daughter being taken, the baby was immediately wheeled out in a bassinet, after which Irish saw three men in suits accompanied by uniformed police officers as well as detectives and social workers. who proceeded to try to search Irish.

"They forced me to stand up, held my hands behind my back and patted me down," said Irish, before police told him they were taking the baby.

"My fiancé didn't even get any time to bond with the baby – they came in and stole our child," said Irish. The parents were given a couple of minutes with their daughter before being forced by police to leave the hospital. Irish was subsequently told that a "security officer" would follow his every move.

The affidavit in support of the decision to take the child, which has been verified by Oath Keepers, states, "The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers," confirming that political beliefs were, amongst other reasons, one of the primary factors behind the snatching of the baby.

Even if the additional reasons cited in the affidavit, which are unproven at this time, could be considered sufficient reason for the state to take the baby, the fact that political affiliations were even mentioned is a frightening indictment of how far the government's war on Americans who dissent against authority has advanced.

    * A d v e r t i s e m e n t
    *

"Regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish's association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody." writes Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes. "Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that "officials" may not approve of. Don't you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on "the list" and then child protective services might come take your kids."

The parents were not even full members of the Oath Keepers organization, they were merely on a discussion list related to the group. This makes the case even more shocking – you don't even have to be directly associated with a group that the government deems to be a "militia" to have your baby stolen – you merely have to be involved in online discussions of issues relating to the constitution and freedom in America.

Irish's father's web page clearly states that he supports a "NON-violent, law abiding gathering of like minded Patriots," and that he is "AGAINST ANY acts of violence or illegal activity."

"The Sons of Liberty Riders does not endorse or tolerate radical, extreme, violent or racial postings," states the website.

The Oath Keepers organization is not a "militia," as the affidavit claims, it is merely a loose network of current and former military and law enforcement professionals who have sworn not to obey unconstitutional orders such as gun confiscation, warrantless searches and mass internment of Americans. The group is committed to non-violence.

If this case is allowed to stand it opens up a hellish future for free speech and political discourse in America. If parents live in fear of having their children stolen by the state because they criticize the government, the United States can rank itself amongst the worst dictatorships in history who invoked the threat of taking people's children if they spoke out against tyranny.

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has announced that a legal defense fund will be created to help Irish, and that the organization, "will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress."

"We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law," wrote Stewart on the Oath Keepers website.

"There can be no freedom of speech, no freedom of association, no freedom to even open your mouth and "speak truth to power," no freedom AT ALL, if your children can be black bagged and stolen from you because of your political speech and associations — because you simply dare to express your love of country, and dare to express your solidarity and fellowship with other citizens and with active duty and retired military and police who simply pledge to honor their oath and obey the Constitution. It was to prevent just such outrageous content based persecution of political dissidents that our First Amendment was written."

Watch the video below in which John Irish describes what happened.

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Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 08, 2010, 04:05 PM NHFT
Merged the two topic on this.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: jeremy2141 on October 08, 2010, 06:55 PM NHFT
I've met Johnathan at several Oathkeepers meetings.  He set up a few meetings with people running for office, meet and greet events.  He was acting as the NH Coordinator for Oathkeepers, and I went to a one of those events.  They have two other children, though I'm not sure he's their father.  The state didn't take the other children.  I know he open carries pretty much 24/7 and has had problems with police coming to investigate his open carrying.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 09, 2010, 08:18 AM NHFT
Concord Hospital protest against baby kidnap (video) (http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/concord-hospital-protest-against-baby-kidnap-video) Examiner.com

Oppression By Oath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpJUgkIOx5o#)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: jeremy2141 on October 09, 2010, 10:16 AM NHFT
Apparently I was wrong.  They had already taken the other children.  Based on allegations.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: dalebert on October 09, 2010, 11:17 AM NHFT
"NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"

Are bureaucrats now being referred to as politicos?  That's confusing.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 09, 2010, 11:34 AM NHFT
Concord Monitor article
Couple: State took our baby
Libertarians turn out for protest
(http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby)
(http://www.concordmonitor.com/sites/all/files/imagecache/article_main/photos/101009_irish_baby_ac_089.jpg)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: thinkliberty on October 09, 2010, 12:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on October 09, 2010, 11:17 AM NHFT
"NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"

Are bureaucrats now being referred to as politicos?  That's confusing.

I believe the Irish baby was kidnapped for political reasons, which is why the oath keeper's were called a "militia" in the court order. This kidnapping was political in nature, not just bureaucratic.

Bureaucrats are paid to do things by politicos who need to be held accountable for the laws they pass. Some people believe that politicos deserve a free pass for promoting violence, but I don't believe in giving anyone executive, legislative or judicial immunity.
Title: DAVID TAYLOR is the "current" legal husband of Stephanie... baby 'presumed'
Post by: karenijohnson on October 09, 2010, 02:43 PM NHFT
DAVID TAYLOR is the "current" legal husband of Stephanie... baby 'presumed' to be fathered by David Taylor.
Stephanie is not divorced from David Taylor. (from on camera statement of IRISH during protest about middle of Youtube clip posting.

There was "fuss" at the hospital about putting "IRISH" as father on the birth certificate.

Title: WMUR.com Couple Say NH Took Newborn, Paperwork Cites Father State Takes Custody
Post by: karenijohnson on October 09, 2010, 03:23 PM NHFT

WMUR.com
http://www.wmur.com/news/25340240/detail.html (http://www.wmur.com/news/25340240/detail.html)
Couple Say NH Took Newborn, Paperwork Cites Father
State Takes Custody Of Couple's Newborn Girl

POSTED: 3:00 pm EDT October 9, 2010
UPDATED: 3:13 pm EDT October 9, 2010
CONCORD, N.H. -- A New Hampshire couple said their newborn girl was taken from them by the state because of the father's involvement in a national group that's against unrestrained federal authority. The state says he's accused of hitting the mother and abusing her children.

Stephanie Taylor and Johnathan Irish of Epsom, who protested with others outside of Concord Hospital on Friday, say their baby was taken into custody.

Taylor says her two sons were removed from her care in 2009 because of abuse by a caretaker.
======================================================================

Irish denies any abuse. He said court paperwork cited his involvement with the Oath Keepers.

Child protection matters are confidential. But Lorraine Bartlett with the Division For Children Youth And Families said a child cannot be removed based on a parent's affiliation with an organization.

Tell Us More: E-mail WMUR your tips and story ideas.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Title: Bomb-Sniffing Dogs Check Hospital During Protest
Post by: karenijohnson on October 09, 2010, 03:37 PM NHFT
http://www.wmur.com/news/25332217/detail.html (http://www.wmur.com/news/25332217/detail.html)

Bomb-Sniffing Dogs Check Hospital During Protest
Demonstrators Protest After DCYF Seizes Newborn

POSTED: 6:14 pm EDT October 8, 2010
UPDATED: 12:12 am EDT October 9, 2010
CONCORD, N.H. -- FBI bomb-sniffing dogs were at Concord Hospital on Friday after demonstrators gathered to protest a newborn being removed from her mother's care by the state.

The hospital said there was no threat made, but it was taking precautions in part to reassure staff and patients.

The child was taken by the Department of Children Youth and Families. The hospital said privacy laws prevent it from discussing the matter.

The FBI left the hospital without finding anything threatening, and the hospital said it is operating normally.

Stephanie Taylor said her infant daughter Cheyenne was taken into state custody. Taylor said she had two young sons removed from her care in 2009 due to abuse by a caretaker.

The father, Johnathon Irish, said court paperwork cited his involvement with an organization called the Oath Keepers, dedicated to defending the constitution.

While state officials cannot talk about this case, Lorraine Bartlett with the Division For Children Youth And Families said a child cannot be removed based on a parent's affiliation with an organization.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Free libertarian on October 09, 2010, 03:56 PM NHFT
Somewhere George Orwell is saying, "see I told ya". 
Title: Re: Bomb-Sniffing Dogs Check Hospital During Protest
Post by: KBCraig on October 09, 2010, 05:07 PM NHFT
Quote from: karenijohnson on October 09, 2010, 03:37 PM NHFT
http://www.wmur.com/news/25332217/detail.html (http://www.wmur.com/news/25332217/detail.html)

CONCORD, N.H. -- FBI bomb-sniffing dogs were at Concord Hospital on Friday after demonstrators gathered to protest a newborn being removed from her mother's care by the state.

The hospital said there was no threat made, but it was taking precautions in part to reassure staff and patients.

And just as a bonus, it serves to further vilify the parents and their political associations.

The comments in the mainstream news are infuriating. So many people assume that if DCYF has stepped in, they must be horrible people and horrible parents and DCYF only does what is best for the children. If people only knew!
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: LordBaltimore on October 09, 2010, 08:41 PM NHFT
QuoteHe said he was unemployed and collected disability because he is blind in his left eye from a childhood accident.

I thought you had to be in the military or police to join Oathkeepers.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: KBCraig on October 09, 2010, 09:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: LordBaltimore on October 09, 2010, 08:41 PM NHFT
QuoteHe said he was unemployed and collected disability because he is blind in his left eye from a childhood accident.

I thought you had to be in the military or police to join Oathkeepers.

From their bylaws:

Section 8.01. Membership:

(a) Member: Membership is available to those individuals who are current serving or retired military, reserves, National Guard (including Air National Guard), and veterans; as well as current and former police and fire-fighters. Provided, that no person who has been convicted of treason or felony in any state or territory of the United States, or dishonorably discharged, unless restored to civil rights; and no person who has been adjudicated mentally incompetent, unless restored to legal capacity, shall be entitled to be a member.

(b) Associate Member: Associate Membership is available to those citizens who have not served in any capacity listed in subsection (a) above, who support our mission and take an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Provided, that no person who has been convicted of treason or felony in any state or territory of the United States, unless restored to civil rights; and no person who has been adjudicated mentally incompetent, unless restored to legal capacity, shall be entitled to be an Associate Member.

Section 8.02. Restrictions on Membership:

(a) No person who advocates, or has been or is a member, or associated with, any organization, formal or informal, that advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States or the violation of the Constitution thereof, shall be entitled to be a member or associate member.

(b) No person who advocates, or has been or is a member, or associated with, any organization, formal or informal, that advocates discrimination, violence, or hatred toward any person based upon their race, nationality, creed, or color, shall be entitled to be a member or associate member.

(c) Oath Keepers reserves the right in it's sole discretion, to withhold, deny, or revoke the membership or associate membership of any person whom Oath Keepers determines will dilute, impair or disrupt Oath Keeper's mission, dishonor, or in any manner bring ill repute to Oath Keepers.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 10, 2010, 04:13 AM NHFT
NH: Activist seized, baby seized (Oath Keepers, Bradley Manning) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMBFnslXVs#)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 10, 2010, 04:38 PM NHFT
So who is doctoring documents the Alex Jones folks or Jonathan Irish?

Also a story from 2003 regarding Jonathan Irish
Seabrook teen jailed after school threat (http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2003news/09012003/news/47841.htm)

First version of the document
(http://static.infowars.com/2010/10/i/article-images/irishdoc.jpg)

Actually from two documents
(http://static.infowars.com/2010/10/i/article-images/cps01.jpg)
From a separate document
(http://static.infowars.com/2010/10/i/article-images/cps02.jpg)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 10, 2010, 05:19 PM NHFT
Alex Jones seems to have pulled the story.  Maybe that's why.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 10, 2010, 06:35 PM NHFT

"Oath Keeper Baby" parents answer critics

"Oath Keeper Baby" parents answer critics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2XaKma4KwE#)

Title: Re: Bomb-Sniffing Dogs Check Hospital During Protest
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 10, 2010, 11:17 PM NHFT
The image I photographed of the infamous "page 3" which Mr. Irish showed me today.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 10, 2010, 11:42 PM NHFT
(rotated and resized)
(http://politicalgraffiti.com:2082/viewer/home%2ffacts%2fpublic_html%2fnhfree%2fimages/P1010009-rotated.jpg)
Title: 17 year old Jonathan Irish (in 2003) School Death Threat Arrest and Story
Post by: karenijohnson on October 11, 2010, 12:22 PM NHFT
17 year old Jonathan Irish (in 2003) School Death Threat Arrest and Story
======================================================


http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2003news/09012003/news/47841.htm (http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2003news/09012003/news/47841.htm)

Seabrook teen jailed after school threat

By Associated Press

HAMPTON - A Winnacunnet High School student was accused of making violent threats against the school and was being held in jail without bail.

Jonathan Irish, 17, of Seabrook, who was to begin his senior year Wednesday, is charged with criminal threatening.

Court records say Irish told another teenager he was "going to bring guns to school, hide them in the woods and bathrooms, and kill anyone he wanted."

According to the arrest warrant, the other teen believed what she was being told and "feared for her life."

District Court Judge Francis Frasier ordered Irish held without bail at the Rockingham County jail, pending a psychiatric evaluation to help determine if he is a threat to himself or others.

Asked if he thought Irish is a threat to the community or himself, police Sgt. Jim Jiguere said, "That's why he's being held on no bail."

Irish will appear next in court on Sept. 24.

Police did not disclose whether any weapon was found.

Irish's mother would only acknowledge that her son was arrested.

Winnacunnet High School Principal Ruth Leveille said a letter was sent to parents Friday, telling them about the situation.

Ashley Stoddard, of North Hampton, a 15-year-old Winnacunnet sophomore and a friend of Irish, said she was "very surprised" to learn of the arrest.

Stoddard said Irish looked "so scared" during his court appearance, and she called it "the saddest thing I ever saw."

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Portsmouth, NH     Monday, September 1, 2003

Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 11, 2010, 01:39 PM NHFT
"Oath Keeper Baby" fam shows controversial document (New Hampshire)

"Oath Keeper Baby" fam shows controversial document (New Hampshire) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYqTYBlzOts#)
Title: Folks:: be careful of IRISH baby-snatching case...
Post by: karenijohnson on October 11, 2010, 01:53 PM NHFT
Folks:: be careful of IRISH baby-snatching case...

there are beginning "cracks" in the story of Jonathan Irish

a) the 'PAGE three' hi res photo talks of ms.taylor/Jon Irish violence and TRO and hospital visits (top of page)
  link:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21410.0;attach=6278 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21410.0;attach=6278)

b) Younger Jonathan Irish arrested for DEATH threats as 17 year old (Juvenile court) Associated Press Story
http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2003news/09012003/news/47841.htm (http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2003news/09012003/news/47841.htm)

c) Uncompleted Irish COURT ordered 'classes' would result from a 'conviction' of violence.

d) Page 3 (or otherwhere) : Stephanie Taylor 'bought' the gun for Irish (why could he not?)

e) Affidavit "says" that Stephanie "dropped" (means she DID GET) a TRO Restraining order against IRISH.


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Oath Keepers plan to spend money helping these people and protest.

THE LINK to oath keepers might be "in passing" of the kinds of people that also have access to guns and things..
also remember not too many people "buy" tasers for personal use...


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More links about previous arrests of IRISH>>
http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/to-those-running-with-the-oath?commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2825249&xg_source=activity (http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/to-those-running-with-the-oath?commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2825249&xg_source=activity)
((CUT))
Sorry to inform you, but this high school incident was in 2004 at Irish's age of 17, he was held without bail again in 2005 at age 18 for sexual assault and drug /weapons charges, then arrested several more times up to 2010 and now at his adult age of approx 23. Irish was 17 in 2004, 18 in 2005, and of course now, he is much older than when his juvenile age of 17 in this report.
The links are on the first page of this discussion to his arrests. His address is listed on a few of the reports, SAME GUY, SAME ADDRESS!
Here is the one from 2005 when he was 18...Fri. March 25, 2005 . http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2005news/hampton/03252005/news/71... (http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2005news/hampton/03252005/news/71...)

Here is one from 2007---http://archive.seacoastonline.com/news/hampton/02022007/announcemen... 3 years later-Jonathan Irish, 20, was charged with possession of a controlled drug, possession of a concealed weapon, and violation of bail.(Bail??????????? for^^^^^^^^^prior arrests.)

Next, another one from 2005,,,
http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2005news/hampton/07292005/police_... (http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2005news/hampton/07292005/police_...)
Jonathon Irish, 18, was charged with operating after suspension, false registration/inspection sticker and unregistered motor vehicle, after a motor-vehicle stop on Lafayette Road at 10:50 a.m.
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Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 11, 2010, 07:22 PM NHFT
Officer used force to quell recording, says "Oath Keeper Baby's" mom

Officer used force to quell recording, says "Oath Keeper Baby's" mom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4NvR0KLcg#)
Title: Re: Folks:: be careful of IRISH baby-snatching case...
Post by: KBCraig on October 11, 2010, 08:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: karenijohnson on October 11, 2010, 01:53 PM NHFT
Folks:: be careful of IRISH baby-snatching case...

there are beginning "cracks" in the story of Jonathan Irish

No one has ever claimed (and I doubt anyone believed) that Irish is a saint. Citing a DCYF affidavit doesn't have much value, because it's their credibility and motives that are being questioned in the first place.

Irish has a history of being charged with crimes, but has he been convicted of any?
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 11, 2010, 08:26 PM NHFT
Ridley's interview shows the guy to be evasive and kind of squirrelly. The doctoring of the document brings into question credibility.

I guess these things are like when the ACLU ends up taking up the cause because of the legal precedent... even though the person is clearly a bad guy.

To me the moral of the story is, don't call the cops, the woman used the system to protect herself from him and ended up losing her kids.

All that said, the social worker attitude is that guns are bad... men are bad... let's build a case that justifies taking their child.

Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 11, 2010, 09:39 PM NHFT
I don't support the government doing anything .... especially anything involving cops and infants
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: FreelanceFreedomFighter on October 12, 2010, 10:16 AM NHFT

What Russell said...
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: KBCraig on October 12, 2010, 01:23 PM NHFT
I don't believe the document was doctored. The "questionable" image shows paragraph 7 on the same page as paragraph 6, but misaligned. Other images show the first page ending with paragraph 6, and the second page starting with paragraph 7. In all cases the wording is the same.

It still looks to me like the "joining" of the two was from a bad scan or fax.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 12, 2010, 01:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on October 12, 2010, 01:23 PM NHFT
I don't believe the document was doctored. The "questionable" image shows paragraph 7 on the same page as paragraph 6, but misaligned. Other images show the first page ending with paragraph 6, and the second page starting with paragraph 7. In all cases the wording is the same.

It still looks to me like the "joining" of the two was from a bad scan or fax.

They were from two separate documents. Someone combined them...

A link to the documents...
Irish family affidavit (http://www.scribd.com/doc/39099480/Irish-family-affidavit#)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: AntonLee on October 12, 2010, 01:57 PM NHFT
fair enough, just looked fishy to me on its face.  It kindof looked like when I used to try and expand my one page essay in high school to the required one page when it was only 5/6ths of a page when typed in 10 pt font.  The solution is to increase the font size lol.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: MaineShark on October 12, 2010, 05:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 11, 2010, 09:39 PM NHFTI don't support the government doing anything .... especially anything involving cops and infants

But... armed thugs are the bestest way to make things less violent! ::) ;D

Joe
Title: FOLKS:: jonathan irish has past and recent violence history !!
Post by: karenijohnson on October 13, 2010, 11:56 AM NHFT


FOLKS:: jonathan irish has past and recent violence history !!
=============================================

the PAPERWORK on video that Ridleyreport.com shot includes a sharp picture of page 3.

Stephanie, (GIRLFRIEND of Irish) is now married to david taylor currently. has recently "dropped" TRO violence restraining orders against jonathan irish.

jonathan irish has juvenile threat charges (age 17), sex with 14 year old (he was 18), driving suspended and many other
police incidents.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: AntonLee on October 13, 2010, 12:05 PM NHFT
driving citations are definitely reasons to get your kids taken away.  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised at them being abused worse in state custody.

I wonder why, if people are so worried about the welfare of the children, do they not bust into the house and save the kids immediately themselves.  Take the risk that you might be tried for breaking and entering and kidnapping.  I would if it meant the life of a child.
Title: Re: FOLKS:: jonathan irish has past and recent violence history !!
Post by: MaineShark on October 13, 2010, 12:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: karenijohnson on October 13, 2010, 11:56 AM NHFTFOLKS:: jonathan irish has past and recent violence history !!
=============================================

the PAPERWORK on video that Ridleyreport.com shot includes a sharp picture of page 3.

Stephanie, (GIRLFRIEND of Irish) is now married to david taylor currently. has recently "dropped" TRO violence restraining orders against jonathan irish.

jonathan irish has juvenile threat charges (age 17), sex with 14 year old (he was 18), driving suspended and many other
police incidents.

Wait... are you describing Irish, or the DCYF workers?

Joe
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: thinkliberty on October 13, 2010, 01:53 PM NHFT
http://freekeene.com/2010/10/13/baby-cheyenne-repordely-bleeding-from-private-parts-in-government-care/ (http://freekeene.com/2010/10/13/baby-cheyenne-repordely-bleeding-from-private-parts-in-government-care/)

QuoteThere is troubling news on this story. Johnathan and Stephanie went to visit their child today. Details are a bit sketchy at this point, but Cheyenne is reportedly loosing consciousness, bleeding out of her private parts, and has not gained weight.
Update from the Free Baby Cheyenne Facebook Group:
"Pirra Milan EMERGENCY PROTEST AT CONCORD HOSPITAL AND DCYF'S OFFICES!!! JOHNATHAN AND STEPHANIE WERE AT A VISIT. BABY CHEYENNE WOULDN'T WAKE UP! THEY CHANGED HER DIAPER AND BLOOD WAS EVERYWHERE! SHE WAS RUSHED BY AMBULANCE TO THE HOSPITAL! THEY AREN'T ALLOWING THE PARENTS IN!!"

Update (2:30 p.m.) Baby Cheyenne is currently being transported by sheriff's deputies from the hospital to a sexual abuse specialist on the recommendation of the ER doctor. The baby has regained consciousness, and the sheriff has taken custody of the child from DCYF.

As the story unfolds, the allegations levied by DCYF at  the parents of baby Cheyenne, related to this and the previous taking of her kids, do not seem to implicate Johnathan or Stephanie.
They are currenly getting the police report in hopes that it will clear up the allegations.


It looks like the state kidnapped a 16 hour old baby, then raped her :(
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: MaineShark on October 13, 2010, 02:05 PM NHFT
Sounds about par for the course, for DCYF...

Joe
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: AntonLee on October 13, 2010, 02:43 PM NHFT
you've gotta be shitting me.

it's a baby.

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: DoverExposure on October 13, 2010, 02:49 PM NHFT
I have seen only one of the following links mentioned in this thread.  Here are some addit'l links on this case:
Title: *possible abuse by foster care on INFANT* Re: New Developments in the Baby Chey
Post by: karenijohnson on October 13, 2010, 03:44 PM NHFT


*possible abuse by foster care on INFANT*  Re: New Developments in the Baby Cheyene
***EXCERPT START****
Re: New Developments in the Baby Cheyenne Kidnapping Case!!!!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=189341.0 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=189341.0)   (((CUT PASTE)))
« Reply #25 on: Today at 01:51:16 PM »
http://www.philipbrennan.net/2010/10/13/baby-cheyenne-evidence-of-neglect-or-abuse-in-care/ (http://www.philipbrennan.net/2010/10/13/baby-cheyenne-evidence-of-neglect-or-abuse-in-care/)

Confirmed reports have come to our attention that Baby Cheyenne is either being neglected or abused in the care of foster parents.

When Jonathan and Stephanie arrived at at scheduled visit the baby would not wake up. They decided to change the diaper as that will wake up a baby. As they did, they discovered blood in her diaper and was found to be coming from her privates. The sheriff is a witness to this fact and the baby has been rushed to hospital by the sheriff as this discharge is not within the normal levels expected due to hormonal changes in a new born baby girl.

These foster parents also have Stephanie's other two children in their care from her former relationship.

As we have already noted in a previous article, children in care are often at more risk of abuse or neglect than average, despite the fact that one would assume that they would be safer in care than not.

The police were trying to lay the blame on the baby's distress upon him, despite there being a sheriff who is a witness to the fact that he had nothing to do with the child's condition. The hospital personnel did not want to let him in to the treatment room at first, but they agreed after security cleared it. This was due to Jonathan talking to Alex Jones by cellphone live on national radio, and the security staff have backed off and are now allowing him to see his daughter.

The current status of Baby Cheyenne is not good as she keeps slipping in and out of conciousness. It is likely that she will have to be kept in overnight.

As we get more news of these developments we will update this article.

Update 19:48 BST (14:48 CST)

There is significant bleeding and swelling around the private parts of Baby Cheyenne and the child is being referred to a paediatrician who specialises in the medical and forensic evidence of abuse.

Baby Cheyenne is under the jurisdiction of the police while in hospital, not the CPS, and unconfirmed reports are that the deputy now has the foster parents in custody for questioning regarding the injuries sustained to Baby Cheyenne.

Only the foster parents are in the frame for this, as there is a sheriff as a witness to the discovery. The sheriff is very unlikely to perjure himself after a full disclosure was made of the facts on national radio via the Alex Jones Radio Show on GCNLive.com.

Jonathan and Stephanie are still at the hospital and are believed to be with their daughter.

Update 20:00 BST (15:00 CST)

Baby Cheyenne has been taken to a sexual assault speciality Doctor under police escort. The sheriff is with the baby. Stephanie and Jonathan are following them, along with CPS. Baby Cheyenne is 'fussy', going in and out of consciousness, and when she is awake doesn't want any one touching her, which shows the level of her injuries and distress.

Update 20:16 BST (15:16 CST)

Baby Cheyenne has been taken out of CPS custody by the sheriff, who has taken over the whole case. She is being seen by a sexual abuse specialist. There were also abrasions on her vaginal area.
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UNF**KIN BELIEVABLE 
***excerpt stop********
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: MaineShark on October 13, 2010, 04:09 PM NHFT
It's highly unlikely that the foster parents would risk abusing an infant in a case with this kind of profile.

On the other hand, if they are abusing the other kids in their care, it's entirely possible that one of those kids may have harmed the baby; abused children quite commonly become abusers, themselves.

Either way, it looks very, very bad for the foster parents.

Joe
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 13, 2010, 08:25 PM NHFT
Interesting, Evan Nappen was Irish's lawyer but he dropped the case.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: KBCraig on October 13, 2010, 09:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 12, 2010, 01:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on October 12, 2010, 01:23 PM NHFT
I don't believe the document was doctored. The "questionable" image shows paragraph 7 on the same page as paragraph 6, but misaligned. Other images show the first page ending with paragraph 6, and the second page starting with paragraph 7. In all cases the wording is the same.

It still looks to me like the "joining" of the two was from a bad scan or fax.

They were from two separate documents. Someone combined them...

A link to the documents...
Irish family affidavit (http://www.scribd.com/doc/39099480/Irish-family-affidavit#)

That looks like two different pages of the same document, not two different documents.

Odd redaction.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 13, 2010, 09:47 PM NHFT
The first document is the affidavit for why they took the child. The second is a motion to change the venue. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39099480/Irish-family-affidavit# (http://www.scribd.com/doc/39099480/Irish-family-affidavit#)

I thought you'd be more savy in these matters KB.

The combining of the two is not necessarily that big a deal, but it is an alteration that someone did. The question is why. Perhaps because most of the affidavit is blacked out and people's reaction is, 'hmmm. wonder what is under all that black?'

Again all this doesn't change my feelings towards the system they have to take kids. In fact I know a child that was sexually assaulted after being taken from the parents over pot. But, the potential blowback from defending unscrupulous people means I am critical on such matters.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 13, 2010, 09:50 PM NHFT

Baby Cheyenne Granddad proposes solution

Baby Cheyenne granddad proposes solution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj-98Yof8fE#)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: KBCraig on October 14, 2010, 02:47 AM NHFT
The print-only edition of the Union Leader will cover the latest developments in the Thursday edition.

With the tone of their online promo, I have to wonder how it will read.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=27aa3244-d970-4d55-b510-24db852d24a0 (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=27aa3244-d970-4d55-b510-24db852d24a0)

Only in Print: Baby whisked away from parents during visit

By CLYNTON NAMUO
New Hampshire Union Leader Correspondent
3 hours, 42 minutes ago

DOVER – Paramedics whisked newborn Cheyenne Irish from a visit with her parents Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor yesterday afternoon and took her into a waiting ambulance, adding a new layer to a child custody battle that has grabbed headlines nationwide.]/i]
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Kat Kanning on October 14, 2010, 05:31 AM NHFT
1/2 Jonathan & Stephanie Irish' Baby Cheyenne Abused in CPS Care LIVE on Eric Lovely Show OCT 13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SXjXkhH2Q#)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 14, 2010, 06:53 AM NHFT
only getting worse
bummer
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Jacobus on October 14, 2010, 07:20 AM NHFT

I found this comment on the Free Keene story:

QuoteRachel on Thu, 14th Oct 2010 12:31 am

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

William N. Grigg of LewRockwell.com:

"I just spoke with someone very close to the principals in this matter, and it seems clear that Baby Cheyenne was NOT molested/abused in DCYF custody. The bleeding appears to be a normal after-effect of birth, and the fact that she's lost weight isn't unusual (this happened with each of my six children at that stage). That's good news. "
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: thinkliberty on October 14, 2010, 08:53 AM NHFT
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/10/nobody-gets-their-kids-back.html (http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/10/nobody-gets-their-kids-back.html) (william griggs blog)

QuoteAccording to a source on the ground in New Hampshire who is very close to the principals in the story, Cheyenne Irish was not sexually abused. She was rushed to be examined by a specialist dealing with victims of child sexual abuse; that specialist reportedly concluded that no abuse had occurred.

In interviews today, Jonathan Irish's father has made it abundantly clear that he considers his son to be a disturbed and potentially dangerous individual. That view is reportedly shared by other people long acquainted with Mr. Irish. Assuming -- for now -- that  there is merit to that characterization, we're still left with this question: If the father is the problem, why was the mother charged with neglect for the act of having the baby?
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: AntonLee on October 14, 2010, 09:35 AM NHFT
I have to wonder what type of abuse was put upon the baby less than 24 hours old?
Title: Baby in foster care sent to hospital (CHEYENNE) RELEASED back to foster care
Post by: karenijohnson on October 14, 2010, 02:14 PM NHFT
 http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital (http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital)
Baby in foster care sent to hospital  (CHEYENNE) RELEASED back to foster care
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital (http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital)

Baby in foster care sent to hospital
By Maddie Hanna
Created 10/14/2010 - 00:00

The newborn taken from an Epsom couple last week by state social workers was sent to the hospital yesterday but is fine, officials said last night.

Parents Johnathon Irish and Stephanie Taylor had a supervised visit with their daughter and a state social worker yesterday at a Strafford County administration building and during the visit "there was some concern about the possibility of some blood that was seen in a diaper," said Capt. Joseph DiGregorio of the Strafford County Sheriff's Office.

As a "precautionary measure," DiGregorio said, the sheriff's office decided to have the baby examined at Exeter Hospital.

But there was "no indication of any abuse," he said. "Zero. Nothing." The baby was back in foster care last night, DiGregorio said.

The state cited concerns over a history of domestic violence between Irish and Taylor to support its seizure of the baby. Court documents also mention Irish's affiliation with anti-totalitarian group the Oath Keepers. Several websites and blogs reported yesterday that the child, "Baby Cheyenne," had been taken to the hospital to be treated for sexual abuse, generating outrage among the couple's supporters.

But "the baby is absolutely fine," said Maggie Bishop, the director of the state Division for Children, Youth, and Families. "The baby is healthy, safe, and absolutely fine."

    * New Hampshire

Source URL: http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital (http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 14, 2010, 03:27 PM NHFT
Baby Cheyenne dad: I'm not on govt. assistance anymore

Baby Cheyenne dad: I'm not on govt. assistance anymore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDdybKWnTSs#)
Title: unionleader.com >> State expected to return infant daughter of 'Oath Keeper'
Post by: karenijohnson on October 14, 2010, 06:40 PM NHFT
unionleader.com >> State expected to return infant daughter of 'Oath Keeper'

State expected to return infant daughter of 'Oath Keeper'
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=State+expected+to+return+infant+daughter+of+%27Oath+Keeper%27&articleId=210cc660-1760-4c50-972a-7558da3360dc (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=State+expected+to+return+infant+daughter+of+%27Oath+Keeper%27&articleId=210cc660-1760-4c50-972a-7558da3360dc)

By CLYNTON NAMUO
Union Leader Correspondent
3 hours, 16 minutes ago

DOVER – Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor emerged from a closed family court hearing Thursday afternoon with smiles on their faces and indicated they may be getting back their daughter Cheyenne, whom state officials took from them hours after her birth last week.

Irish said he was instructed to say nothing about the hearing, citing a state confidentiality law, but said: "A picture's worth a thousand words. What's a smile worth?"

All indications were that Irish and Taylor received good news at the hearing.

"I haven't seen you smile in a while," Irish's mother Nancy, who declined to give her last name, said just before embracing her son.

Nancy added: "Justice prevails."

Irish also told her he had to get a car seat ready.

Cheyenne's removal sparked an outcry, despite the states numerous allegations of domestic violence and untreated mental health problems, because of a single line in the affidavit used to justify the newborns taking.

"The division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and taser," says the confidential, two-page affidavit, which was provided to the New Hampshire Union Leader.

__

Read all about it in Friday's New Hampshire Union Leader, available at newsstands everywhere.
Title: IRISH/Stephanie>> have custody of CHEYENNE... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C
Post by: karenijohnson on October 14, 2010, 06:47 PM NHFT
IRISH/Stephanie>> have custody of CHEYENNE...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C)

http://www.wmur.com/news/25394494/detail.html (http://www.wmur.com/news/25394494/detail.html)
Father Happy With Court's Decision Over Child Custody
Man Says Affiliation With Group 1 Reason Why Baby Taken

POSTED: 5:17 pm EDT October 14, 2010
UPDATED: 5:55 pm EDT October 14, 2010
DOVER, N.H. -- An Epsom, N.H., father was overjoyed Thursday at a court's decision over the custody of his newborn daughter.

The state took custody of Jonathon Irish's baby shortly after she was born at Concord Hospital, citing neglect claims. The situation prompted protests outside Thursday's custody hearing in Dover.

Irish was smiling after he left the hearing Thursday and hooked up a car seat in his vehicle. A judge's gag order prevented him from saying exactly what happened.

"A picture's worth 1,000 words," Irish said. "What's a smile worth?"

The controversy over the case started last week, when the Department of Children, Youth and Families took Irish's daughter, Cheyenne, into custody 16 hours after she was born.

Irish and his girlfriend said the state cited abuse and neglect claims. But Irish said officials also took the baby because they were uneasy about his involvement in a group called the Oath Keepers, which claims to uphold the constitution.

The state said it doesn't take someone's political views into consideration when they get involved with a family.

But members of the Oath Keepers protested at the courthouse and said the state unfairly used their group's name as a reason to take custody of the child.

"People are worried that if they speak out or join some particular group that someday down the road, it could come back to haunt them or be used against them in a proceeding about their children," said Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers.

The baby's grandfather also showed up at the court to tell people he doesn't think Irish should get custody because he's not fit to be a good father.

Irish's mother showed up to defend her son and said her main concern is for the baby's well-being.

State officials aren't commenting on the case, especially because it involves a young child.

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Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 14, 2010, 11:58 PM NHFT
Oath Keeper Baby: Indie observer needed

http://ridleyreport.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-10-14T21_33_17-07_00 (http://ridleyreport.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-10-14T21_33_17-07_00)
Title: Oathkeeper Baby back with parents >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WciiXVEJvsQ&
Post by: karenijohnson on October 15, 2010, 12:52 PM NHFT

Oathkeeper Baby back with parents >> Breaking News: John Irish's Baby Cheyenne Returned to Family!! - Alex Jones Tv 1/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WciiXVEJvsQ#ws)

Breaking News: John Irish's Baby Cheyenne Returned to Family!! - Alex Jones Tv 1/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WciiXVEJvsQ#ws)

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-returned-to-epsom-couple (http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-returned-to-epsom-couple)

//
Irish Family Baby Returned
http://www.infowars.com/irish-family-baby-returned/print/ (http://www.infowars.com/irish-family-baby-returned/print/)

Posted By kurtnimmo On October 14, 2010 @ 9:08 pm In Featured Stories | 89 Comments

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
October 14, 2010

Jonathan Irish appeared on the Alex Jones Show this evening and said his infant daughter, Cheyenne, was returned to him and his fiancé, Stephanie Taylor. The state of New Hampshire, citing neglect, had abducted the newborn at the Concord Hospital.

Irish expressed his gratitude for the return of his daughter but said he was not at liberty to divulge details on the release due to a court gag order.

Irish told Alex Jones that his name was confused with that of another man with a similar name. The second man apparently has a record of domestic abuse and violence.

A court affidavit stated Jonathan Irish's association with the Oath Keepers as one of the primary reasons the child was taken. "The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers and had purchased several different types of weapons, including a rifle, handgun and taser," the affidavit states.

The Oath Keepers was founded in March of 2009 in in Lexington, Massachusetts. The nonprofit organization advocates that its members, who are current and former U.S. military and law enforcement officers, uphold the Constitution of the United States should they be ordered to violate it. The Oath Keepers organization is not a militia as the court affidavit and corporate media insist.

After Cheyenne was abducted by New Hampshire's Division of Children, Youth and Families, authorities prevented Jonathon Irish from seeing his child. Authorities cited "security threats" as the reason for blocking visitation without explaining precisely what those threats were. Irish, his fiancé Stephanie and Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes appeared on the Alex Jones Show on October 11 to discuss this violation of basic visitation rights.

    * A d v e r t i s e m e n t
    *

On Friday, October 8, the FBI sent bomb-sniffing dogs into Concord Hospital to intimidate people who had gathered to protest against the snatching of a baby by the DCYF.

On October 13, Stephanie Taylor voiced concerns when she discovered blood in her baby's diaper during a supervised visit at the at a Strafford County administration building. After authorities determined there was "no indication of any abuse," the child was returned to foster care.

Will Bunch, writing for the Soros funded Media Matters for America, led a corporate media campaign to demonize Irish and characterize as a "bizarre right-wing campaign" the effort to have the child returned to her parents. Bunch writes that "the evidence is overwhelming that the girl was taken from Irish and the mother Stephanie Taylor at the hospital for the only reason that the government should take that extreme step: To ensure the safety of an otherwise helpless child."

Bunch's assertion that CPS agencies protect children is at odds with the record. As the late Nancy Schaefer has documented, "child protection services" around the country have a record corruption and are often detrimental to the health and well-being of children. CPS agencies often act as legalized kidnapping services.

Now that the court has admitted that the child was taken in error and Jonathan Irish is in fact not an abusive father and the authorities had either confused or deliberately associated Irish with the behavior of another individual, Mr. Bunch and Media Matters should immediately apologize for slandering Irish, Taylor, and Alex Jones.

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Media Matters, however, will likely not apologize or set the record straight because this obviously conflicts with its agenda to demonize the growing patriot movement and portray constitutionalist groups like Oath Keepers as paranoid right-wing extremists.



Kurt Nimmo edits Infowars.com. He is the author of Another Day in the Empire: Life In Neoconservative America.

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Title: No solution will satisfy all http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-
Post by: karenijohnson on October 15, 2010, 01:11 PM NHFT

No solution will satisfy all

FROM comments portion::
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-returned-to-epsom-couple?page=0%2C1 (http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220423/baby-returned-to-epsom-couple?page=0%2C1)
By Gaia - 10/15/2010 - 11:06 am

There are clearly two camps here - those who feel the parents did absolutely nothing wrong, and are thrilled that the baby was returned - and those who feel DCYF did the right thing and are now afraid for the child's safety.

From what I've seen in the news, I can assume that the DCYF brought it's petition to court and one of the following happened:
1. The Division withdrew its petition (doubtful, given the history with the other kids).
2. The court dismissed the petition (in which case it's the court's decision to send the child home, not the DCYF's.)
3. The parties agreed (or the Court ordered) that the baby go home, with continued monitoring by the DCYF.

I suspect we haven't heard the last, and I pray for the child's safety at home. I hope that the Court didn't dismiss the case out of hand, and that there will be continued monitoring at the very least.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 15, 2010, 06:39 PM NHFT
Did state accuse wrong guy in Oath Keeper case? (Baby Cheyenne NH)

Did state accuse wrong guy in Oath Keeper case? (Baby Cheyenne NH) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvqenLcEaI#)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Free libertarian on October 15, 2010, 06:58 PM NHFT
Thanks for covering this Dave, you do a great job.
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on October 15, 2010, 11:20 PM NHFT
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042][url]http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042 (http://[url)[/url]
The Will Bunch article.
Some good comments on this link.

Had to dust off the wool because this story on this thread is so bizarre, how it unfolds.

Keep up the great work.

You all in NH are becoming heroes and inspiration to the rest of the US of clink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clink) .
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: KBCraig on October 15, 2010, 11:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on October 15, 2010, 11:20 PM NHFT
[url]http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042]http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042][url]http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042 (http://[url=http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042)[/url]

Fixed URL: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010130042)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 16, 2010, 12:11 AM NHFT
thanx free
Title: Re: Oathkeeper Baby back with parents >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WciiXVEJvsQ&
Post by: Dave Ridley on October 16, 2010, 08:50 PM NHFT
Oath Keepers prep lawsuit against NH bureaucrats

Oath Keepers prep lawsuit against NH bureaucrats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwxLUUkZnU4#)
Title: Alex Jones pushing bizarre right-wing campaign to return baby to allegedly . . .
Post by: karenijohnson on October 18, 2010, 06:43 PM NHFT

Alex Jones pushing bizarre right-wing campaign to return baby to allegedly abusive dad
http://mediamatters.org/print/blog/201010130042 (http://mediamatters.org/print/blog/201010130042)

October 13, 2010 5:13 pm ET - by Will Bunch

Paranoid politics, which has flourished in the Obama era, can lead people in some strange directions. I can find no better example than this: Tomorrow, a large crowd of protesters mostly affiliated with the Oath Keepers, a network of ex- and current military and law enforcement formed amid the radical right-wing backlash to the Obama presidency, will rally outside a New Hampshire courtroom.

Their mission?

To get a newborn baby girl released to a couple in which the father is accused of  a "lengthy history of domestic violence" that includes sworn allegations from a judge that the dad -- Johnathon Irish of Epsom, N.H. -- is "the main suspect" in bruises found in an older child that was recently taken from the mother of Irish's newborn daughter.

The civil rights plight of Johnathon Irish isn't exactly the Selma-to-Montgomery march, is it? But this bizarre story is a pretty good metaphor for the age of paranoia in our current 21st Century breakdown. The Oath Keepers, an organization that didn't exist when Obama became president in  January 2009, has largely used the Internet to rapidly recruit thousands of new members -- there are currently 23,289 members in its Facebook group -- to a group whose main credo is promising NOT to do things that aren't going to happen anyway, conspiratorial ideas that are mostly bat-guano crazy. The Oath Keepers' list of 10 orders they won't obey includes, most famously, "We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps."

OK, so they won't do that, but they will march tomorrow to outside a Family Court hearing for an allegedly abusive father, in what ironically will be the most pro-active thing -- other perhaps than spearheading a pro-gun march on Washington earlier this year -- that the Oath Keepers have done in their 18 months of existence. It's appropriate, in a way, because their approach to the Johnathan Irish case is rooted in the same muddled and potentially dangerous thinking that leads them to believe that the federal government is about to round up law-abiding citizens into concentration camps.

Irish is a member of the Oath Keepers, and because the affidavit filed by child protective services officials in New Hampshire mentions that tie and mistakenly describes the group as "a militia" (more on that later), the Oath Keepers have labored to make the story a case of a baby taken from a couple because of the dad's politics. Nothing could be further from the truth -- the evidence is overwhelming that the girl was taken from Irish and the mother Stephanie Taylor at the hospital for the only reason that the government should take that extreme step: To ensure the safety of an otherwise helpless child.

According to the Concord Monitor newspaper, here's the primary reason the newborn was taken from the parents hours after she was born on Oct. 2:

    tate officials took the child because of Irish's long record of violence and abuse. According to the affidavit, a judge determined that Irish abused Taylor's two other children. She is still married to the father of those children, though Taylor said yesterday that her husband has refused to accept her divorce petition for the past two years.

    The affidavit also says that the police in Rochester report a "lengthy history of domestic violence" between Taylor and Irish, and that she accused him of choking and hitting her on more than one occasion. According to the document, Irish failed to complete a domestic violence course as ordered by the state, and that a hearing was held last month to terminate Taylor's parental rights over her two older children.

But paranoid politics entered the fray because the affidavit also included this:

    The affidavit also states that Irish is "associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and Taser."

Soon, Oath Keepers were widely circulated a redacted version of the affidavit regarding the parents which included the reference to their group -- but omitted the more serious allegations against Irish. The word spread with a big assist from one of the biggest conspiracy-mongers in the talk radio universe, Texas-based and nationally syndicated Alex Jones. Now, the Oath Keepers' founder -- a former aide for Rep. Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign named Stewart Rhodes -- is using the controversy to rally the troops.

Frankly, it was arguably shoddy work by the New Hampshire authorities to reference the Oath Keepers, especially in the fashion that they did. I reported extensively on the group for a chapter in my recent book "The Backlash," and the Oath Keepers are certainly not "a militia" in that it doesn't carry out any kind of paramilitary training or drills; instead, it is a group that holds dangerous and delusional ideas about American politics, but ideas that are legal to express. As for Irish's weapons' purchases (A Taser? Really?), I think you could argue that these are relevant in connection with his other violent activities.

Most importantly, the references to the Oath Keepers and Irish's weapons are minor events in the context of his alleged violent behavior toward women and children. The Oath Keepers are not the reason the baby was taken from the couple. But what an apt metaphor for what the Oath Keepers and some of the more extreme right-wing groups that have risen up in the anti-Obama backlash are all about -- blind to the bigger picture of what is going on, focused on the small screen of disconnected conspiracies that plays into their misguided and apocalyptic view of America.

As the 1960s historian Richard Hofstadter wrote about the paranoid style in American politics, "[t]he paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms -- he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization."

It's just tragic when a baby girl gets caught behind those barricades.

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Title: PA politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause mother ate poppyseed bagel
Post by: jerryswife on October 29, 2010, 11:48 AM NHFT
http://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/aclupafileslawsuitonbehalf.htm (http://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/aclupafileslawsuitonbehalf.htm)
Title: Re: NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"
Post by: thinkliberty on October 29, 2010, 12:26 PM NHFT
QuoteJameson has a policy of testing all maternity patients for drugs and requires its staff to notify LCCYS of a positive drug test. Neither practice is required by federal or state law. According to the hospital's policy, a screen is considered positive for opiates at 300 nanograms/mL or above.

This is why you shouldn't go to a hospital to give birth.

Find a midwife that won't ask the state to steal your newborn baby (because you ate a Dunking Donuts bagel) and give birth at home.

It's safe:
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/labornbirth/homebirth.html (http://www.americanpregnancy.org/labornbirth/homebirth.html)
Title: Re: PA politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause mother ate poppyseed bagel
Post by: MaineShark on October 29, 2010, 03:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: jerryswife on October 29, 2010, 11:48 AM NHFThttp://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/aclupafileslawsuitonbehalf.htm (http://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/aclupafileslawsuitonbehalf.htm)

I seem to recall a case in NH where DCYF harassed a mother because she tested positive for opiates in a blood test at the hospital... after the hospital injected her with morphine.

Joe