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Title: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 04, 2011, 09:46 AM NHFT
nhjury.com was created to promote raising jurors awareness of the right to nullify bad law.

We have lots of plans.  Among those plans are raising awareness through roadside signs.
Some of the planned signs are billboard type and will require volunteer time, money and good locations on high traffic roads, we'll likely talk more about those needs and accomplishments in the future.

FOR NOW - Other signs could be made much quicker.  Here's how;

We can recycle old political signs, by spray painting over the political message and stencilling in our message.  What we need help with is ;

1) Old political signs similar to the type seen in many yards and roadsides around election time.

2) Metal stands for signs

3) Donations of stencil sets and spray paint

4)  Locations to put the signs...why not YOUR yard ?

5)  Cash donations to buy any sign materials etc.  not donated.   

  As seed money an anonymous donor has already committed $50....no donation too small.


                          Okay who can help?  Who'd like a yard sign?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Dave Ridley on January 05, 2011, 01:50 AM NHFT
reusing old signs sounds like an awesome idea!  the rest of it does to at first glance!   I will probably do something along the lines of a ridleo about this and then link to this thread.

thank you !
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 15, 2011, 10:06 AM NHFT
Here's another way people can help.

When reading an article online that has a "victimless crime" aspect you could take the time to post a comment and link people to http://nhjury.com/ (http://nhjury.com/)

I usually post this link with a short message about how the "criminal" can be saved by an informed jury.   Quick and easy.  Thanks for any help.

If I'm not among the first commenters, I "cheat" by replying to the one of the first commenters so the message can get read.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 16, 2011, 12:10 PM NHFT
There is a New Hampshire house bill "in committee"  being studied that will allow jury nullification
instructions to be heard in trials.   I think it is HB-146.

No public hearing scheduled yet.   I will likely follow this bill, hold my nose and go to Concord to speak on this.  I'll try to update ahead of time when the public hearing will be scheduled, but if anybody beats me to it, cool.

Last year at a hearing, reknowned liberty activist Rich A.  pointed out that the only people that seem to oppose telling jurors of their right to nullify were Judges, prosecutors and cops...go figure.      Also the Judge that spoke against it at length has been "promoted."   :-[

Judge Lynn was the head of the Superior Court judges and recently joined the NH Supreme Court.

I recognize for many on this forum attending anything political could turn you into a pumpkin or cause you to break out in a cold sweat.  I can respect that.   For those like me, that are more amphibious regarding activism I urge you to consider showing up to support this bill or help me glower at the liberty thieves. 
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 16, 2011, 02:34 PM NHFT
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/house/caljourns/calendars/2011/houcal2011_07.html (http://gencourt.state.nh.us/house/caljourns/calendars/2011/houcal2011_07.html)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: TalleyTV on January 17, 2011, 09:06 PM NHFT
Talented graphic designer and activist Smeg McLain from the Keene Activism Center has offered to design new brochures for New Hampshire Jury Outreach for the low low price of $50.
Please consider visiting NH Jury.com (http://nhjury.com/nh-jury-brochure/) to chip in and help us tell jurors "live free & nullify!
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 19, 2011, 03:11 PM NHFT
We've reached our donation goal of $50 to have our own brochures designed.   Next up we'll be trying to raise some funds for Signs and / or sign materials.   

                             THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT. 
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 20, 2011, 04:26 AM NHFT
On 1/27/11  at 11:00 am in Concord, LOB Room 208  there is a public hearing on HB-146.

I'll be holding my nose as I enter the place where laws are made, but I AM going to support passage of this bill.  If there was ever a time that a bill was designed for government to lose power and that of the individual to gain it, this is it.

If this bill passes judges MUST allow jury nullification arguments in "their" courtroom. 

I hope to see you there. Bring your own clothespin.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 20, 2011, 07:03 PM NHFT
hehe
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 23, 2011, 09:10 AM NHFT
For the price of a large coffee and a couple of donuts you can become a "couch activist".  That's right for as little as $5 you can become part of the liberty movement and never leave your couch.  ;D

Okay I'm blatantly begging,  for funds to procure signs.  If your circumstances won't allow you to actively participate, but you like our project, there is a way you can help!

Visit http://nhjury.com/ (http://nhjury.com/)  to help us raise money for signs.   

Couch activist?  What won't I stoop to ?   ::)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 23, 2011, 10:07 AM NHFT
$5.00! Have you been buying coffee and donuts at Starbucks without me??!!
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on January 23, 2011, 07:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on January 20, 2011, 04:26 AM NHFT
On 1/27/11  at 11:00 am in Concord, LOB Room 208  there is a public hearing on HB-146.


If I send this to them do you think they'll care: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rRyROYWqg&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rRyROYWqg&feature=player_embedded#)!

How many times has this issue been before these evil politicians at the state house who refuse to demand that the courtrooms be run as they were designed to be run?
This has been happening for many many years. Sometimes it has even come close.
YAY! They let it get close. YAY!  :(
It has been before them with Republicans in control and it has been before them with Democrats in control.
Guess what: they want to keep a VERY TIGHT GRIP on their control.
The legislative, the executive, and the judicial branches do not want the juries to behave as juries were designed to behave. They want all the power all for themselves.

I have a rotton feeling that they are going to let this get VERY close this time --- before they kill it again.
Meet the new boss ... !
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 24, 2011, 05:22 AM NHFT
Your prediction could be right John,...All the more reason for us to put out  signs and continue to try to educate jurors in other ways, like pamphletting, bumper stickers, pins, videoes, interviews and newspaper articles etc.  We've got your testimony from last year at NHJury.com, hopefully there will be testimony from others this year that we can use.  I do understand your frustration with the process and can't blame you if you feel "they" aren't listening or that there should even be a "they".

Going to speak at a hearing isn't for me an adoption or endorsement of that process or system as "good", it is an acknowledgement that it IS the system we are presently "held" under.  I'm the kind of guy that will try to pound in nails with a hammer, but if I can't find a hammer I'll use a rock if that's all that's available.     

And on that thought, I wonder if I could put up a sign using a rock instead of a hammer?    ;D

 
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on January 24, 2011, 07:51 AM NHFT
I've already quit voting on the national level: I will no longer vote for US president, US senate, or US rep.

At the state house, this year, the Fully Informed Jury issue could be is the one which determines if I'll quit voting on a state level. Its now or never. It either makes it - all the way - into the courtrooms - without being completely watered down - or I'm just finished.

I'm trying to get myself motivated to go back to that building and testify one more time, but I'm very, very, very, very tied of these pretenders-of-limited-government at the statist house.

I've helped several people in the state legislature before, and I am willing to make phone calls to say hello and to remind them. But I'm finding it hard to get motivated to do that.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Jacobus on January 24, 2011, 08:05 AM NHFT
Donation given.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 24, 2011, 08:31 AM NHFT
John, I understand. 

Jacobus, many thanks, that was a very generous donation. 

We're very appreciative of every donation, soon NHJury.com signs will start popping up!
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 26, 2011, 07:36 AM NHFT
Recently a letter to the editor concerning Jury nullification was published in the Concord Monitor 1/24.   Today the same letter was published by the Nashua Telegraph.  They maintain the ability to post comments at their site should anyone wish to post supporting commentary that might be read by the general public.

Several other of the larger Newspapers in NH have received the same letter, but have yet to publish.   

Now I will use my ESP to reveal what you the reader are thinking... "Hey why should I let those guys at NHJury.com have all the fun!  I'm gonna write a letter to the editor(s) 'bout jury nullification too!"    C'mon you know you were thinking that !   ;D
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on January 26, 2011, 07:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on January 20, 2011, 04:26 AM NHFT
On 1/27/11  at 11:00 am in Concord, LOB Room 208  there is a public hearing on HB-146.

I'll be holding my nose as I enter the place where laws are made, but I AM going to support passage of this bill.  If there was ever a time that a bill was designed for government to lose power and that of the individual to gain it, this is it.

If this bill passes judges MUST allow jury nullification arguments in "their" courtroom. 

I hope to see you there. Bring your own clothespin.



Anyone else going?
I'm probably going to make it.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 27, 2011, 04:41 AM NHFT
We'll see you there John.   

I believe 2 of the instigators from NHJury.com will be there, arriving separately without any video capabiity, both coming from locations outside of Free Grafton, so the carpool thing won't work at least for them.   

If you have a video camera and are willing to bring it, that would be a good thing.  Or if anybody else can bring one that would be much appreciated. 

REMINDER - TODAY 1/27  AT 11:00 AM   HEARING FOR THE JURY NULLIFICATION BILL  HB-146
CONCORD LOB ROOM 208   

Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on January 27, 2011, 06:57 PM NHFT
Thanks to everyone who came out and did this part today. If I had checked my phone messages this morning we would have had one more. Sorry about that!

I am happy top report that the Civil Liberties Union has moved at least a little bit in our direction. They did not outright oppose this time but, instead offered an idea for a possible amendment ...

I was happy to hear that more and more people are beginning to use the word "responsibility" when explaining about jurors judging the law. I have been strongly expressing that for a number of years.

I think I did an OK job addressing the "one singal  juror" concern (which was asked of others), and the "things were different back when the king made all the rules" argument (which was used by the one guy - from the supreme court - who is completely against us.) Both of these come up over and over again. I'm kind of surprised that some still don't seem to have good answers to these.

I notice a few on the committee seemed to get a little  bit of a kick out of it when I (somewhat casually) referred to  "when Thomas Jefferson - and the guys - drafted the Declaration."

I think that I made my point most clearly and got their attention when I said that if we are not going to let jurors do what juries were designed to do then, "Let's stop pretending, and then maybe we should just set the juries aside ..."

I hope others will tell their stories here also.


Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 27, 2011, 07:41 PM NHFT
Thanks John.   

Rich gave testimony which focused alot on the fact that many cases are usually the defendant vs the state.  A defendant being prosecuted by an employee of the state, in front of a judge employed by the state, represented by a lawyer or public defender beholden and approved by the state and in front of hand picked state approved jurors.  He effectively got his point across that it's pretty much a STATE party against a lone defender.

My testimony focused on deflating the argument from an anonymous lawyer henchman sent from the NH Supreme Court to suggest that jury nullification isn't a right and the rest of his testimony which was pretty much...well er um we don't really need it anyway yada yada yada. 

I gave quotes from 3 former Supreme Court Judges affirming that  jury nullification IS a right, jurors CAN and should judge both the fact and the law.  Trumped the State guy with old dead white guy quotes from the U.S. Supreme Court. 
Also I mentioned since it clearly IS a right, the only question before the legislators is, will we continue to allow this right to be hidden from jurors on the arbitrary whim of a judge or will we make it known as it should be?  I also used some political judo and quoted the right of conscience from the NH Constituion.  Love that political judo.   :P

Okay I did my time in Concord...I used their magical incantations and wore a clean shirt.  How can they NOT pass this bill? I used their magical incantations!  ;D

Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 27, 2011, 09:53 PM NHFT
Kudos to you all!
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: MikeforLiberty on January 27, 2011, 09:57 PM NHFT
Good work folks! Sorry I couldn't stay for the whole show. And damn good turn out for a hearing 80% pro-Liberty?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 28, 2011, 06:08 AM NHFT


Good to see you there Laconia.   I think the only one opposing was the serpent tongued lawyer that spoke. I'd say he was outnumbered by about 14 or 15 to 1 yesterday.

Last year the room was packed with alot more people for the bill, maybe 30 or so and  there were  about 3 statists that spoke against it, a judge, a state attorney and some other anonymous hench lady.

I remember Rich mentioning then as  he did yesterday, the only people that ever oppose this bill are those state employees seeking to cling to their power.  He questioned why they should even be there testifying as it represnts a conflict of interest etc.   

The bottom line is we uttered the magic words, we smiled and curtsied in front of our representatives, now we see if they throw us some bread crumbs or pat us on the head and say run along.   That's how they make the sausage.  It's an offal process.   :P
 


Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: MikeforLiberty on January 28, 2011, 07:23 AM NHFT
just making a mental note here. The forked tongued serpent slipped a clue. I hear this has been a biennial issue; can only be brought up every other year. If it were to fail this year and could not be brought next year, he mentioned a conflict with another existing 'law' (I think a current mandated jury instruction), we could look at changing that jury instruction next year.

Of course, next year sucks for those with a state boot upon their neck this year :(
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on January 28, 2011, 08:35 AM NHFT
Laconia, thanks for the reminder.  I caught that too.   I will dig around and find a way to deflate the alarmist serpent's allegations that if the jury nullification bill passes it will conflict with other laws or the jurors oath.  Well maybe they ought to change the jurors oath!  His bag of tricks has a hole in it, let's make it bigger. 

Both the jurors oath and the instructions the jurors get from the judge before they go to deliberate (wentworth instructions) are slanted and intentionally taylored to keep jurors eyes focused on "facts" and "the law", no need for morality to enter the equation .   It is a purposeful sleight of hand, it keeps their conviction batting average high.

Anyone know where I can find a copy of the Wentworth instructions?  I have printed a copy of the jurors oath which I pulled from a state website and have already started to attack that with my yellow hi-liter. 
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: MTPorcupine3 on January 28, 2011, 09:02 AM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on January 28, 2011, 06:08 AM NHFT

and some other anonymous hench lady.


That other anonymous hench lady was representing the NH ACLU. Her argument was that although she supports jury nullification, she opposed the bill as written because it would force the judges to be told how to run their courts.

This year, rather than oppose the bill, she suggested amending it so that the prosecuting team has a chance to rebut. One more thing that makes you wonder whose side the ACLU is on. This year, her position was an improvement.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on January 28, 2011, 06:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: MTPorcupine3 on January 28, 2011, 09:02 AM NHFTHer argument was that although she supports jury nullification, she opposed the bill as written because it would force the judges to be told how to run their courts.


When she mentioned this again yesterday, I made a note: "Amendment, Civil Liberties Union, Mass."

I was considering bringing to the attention of the committee the possibility that she/the ACLU may have been mistakenly thinking of the Massachusetts Constitution, because it is there that the legislature is forbidden by their constitution to do such things - Not here in New Hampshire.

But I though it was better to just tell the committee that I appreciate and compliment the ACLU for moving in the right direction on this issue.

Also, I noticed that she spent most of her time there talking with the lawyer's lawyer from the supreme court.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 28, 2011, 07:19 PM NHFT
Networking
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on February 18, 2011, 12:40 PM NHFT
Potential disturbing news.  It appears from a thread over at the NHLA forum that the bill to permit the defendant / counsel to inform the jurors of the right to nullify may have been ITLed (inexpedient to legislate) .  If anybody  has more info. please post it.

All the more reason for activists to take the ball and run with it. I appreciate the efforts of the  "in the system activists" re: this bill, but waiting for government to correct itself can take a long time and yield very little.  <takes off Capt. Obvious hat>

...so don't all rush the gate to signup for distributing pamphlets, but there are still plenty of opportunities to help out in other ways...http://nhjury.com/ (http://nhjury.com/)   
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on February 21, 2011, 08:03 AM NHFT
 Thanks to all who contributed to the sign fund!!! 

We hope to place an order this week for "yard signs" .  Details are not finalized, but we may wish to give these signs good homes in strategic locations in high traffice areas.  If that's you...let's talk.

Stay tuned.  Updates to follow.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on February 21, 2011, 07:25 PM NHFT
One of the reasons for creating the Liberty, Justice, and Peace Gathering was to make available a forum for folks like nhjury.com (and others) in the absence of the FSP event, which got canceled.

Got any fliers, or the like?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on February 22, 2011, 08:44 AM NHFT
^^^ No fliers yet.  In the works though.  I take responsibility for some of the delay as I've been very busy working on another legal / freedom issue.

With that said, I should add, that it appears a motion put in by a county prosecutor to limit "others" from distributing literature will be ruled against.  I say "appears" since the judge's ruling is not issued yet.  A hearing concerning this happened last week at Grafton County Superior Court.

As a bit of explanation, a certain jovial activist, distantly related to Santa Claus, was threatened with bail condition changes for "distributing pamphlets" at the trial of a woman accused of growing plants.  This activist, if the prosecutor got her way would have been denied his first amendment right of free speech and also have been made liable for the actions of anybody else that chose of their free will to hand out pamphlets in the future. 

I hope to provide a more complete analysis soon with clearer details...now I go back to doing legal research in hopes of finding the proper incantation to be able to... ahem..."live free or die".
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Tom Sawyer on February 22, 2011, 08:51 AM NHFT
Thank you for pressing forward on this.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on February 22, 2011, 10:57 AM NHFT
It looks like HB-146 is in dire distress.  This is a legislative bill that will SHRINK GOVERNMENT CONTROL.  I generally do not give endorsements to anything political and can understand the
recoil of any readers here to this controversial topic.   

However...if the bill passes it accomplishes this -  Judges and or prosecutors CANNOT prevent defendant's from raising a jury nullification argument or informing jurors of a right they likely don't even know they possess.

At the risk of burning any activist cred. I might have, I ask people to consider calling Rep. Rowe
the judiciary committee chair to seek reconsideration, to bring the bill back from the dead and
send it thru with an "ought to pass" , so that it can go on to become law.  I do endorse ACTIONS that essentially advance "no victim, no crime" concepts into mainstream consciousness.

I CALLED 271-3184  and spoke to a pleasant bureaucrat secretary lady and asked her to
express my deepest concern to  Rep. Rowe that this bill is in danger of being put thru as
"inexpedient to legislate" and that it should be revived and eventually made law etc.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on February 25, 2011, 05:31 PM NHFT
The "jury nullification" bill hb-146 is revived and being sent back to the committee after they wanted to nix it. That is no guarantee of ultimate passage into law, but the house voted 208 -71 (or something like that) to send it back to the committee for more "study".  I'll try to update again when / if there is any news.

     
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 01, 2011, 11:45 PM NHFT
i guess the aclu is on the side of the lawyers
maybe since the prosecution and baliffs work for the state, we should have the judge and jury be random people who don't get government paychecks
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on March 12, 2011, 08:44 PM NHFT
Catch up on our friend Julian H.  and what he's up to here with his federal case ----

http://tyrannyfighters.com/ (http://tyrannyfighters.com/)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on March 16, 2011, 07:56 PM NHFT
An update on the Jury nullification bill.  I heard that it passed the house of Represntatives recently.  I don't have many details yet or know the vote count.  Obviously it has a ways to go to make it into law, but it ain't dead yet!

The irony for me is I was just taking a break from writing a motion seeking reconsideration of a judges order against me, where he ordered that there is no such thing as "the right of jury nullification"  and I better not mumble boo about it or I'd be in contempt.  Well at least he got that right...I do find denial of justice worthy of contempt.   Anyway pray to whatever god(s) you believe in that this passes and becomes law.  It will be a kick ass victory for liberty if judges must give jury nullification instructions.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on March 16, 2011, 10:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on March 16, 2011, 07:56 PM NHFThe ordered that there is no such thing as "the right of jury nullification"  and I better not mumble boo about it



VERY bad news. Sorry to hear it.
I believe that this judge is a lier and a dangerous gangster. I hold him in comtempt.
The devil must be proud of him.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on March 16, 2011, 10:30 PM NHFT
Does the legislator dare stand up to the "judicial" tyrants?

Maybe the courts have gone too far too fast (with their assaults against "legislative power/authority" over the years) and the legislature is about to try to put them on a leash.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on March 17, 2011, 07:43 AM NHFT
Quote from: John on March 16, 2011, 10:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on March 16, 2011, 07:56 PM NHFThe ordered that there is no such thing as "the right of jury nullification"  and I better not mumble boo about it



VERY bad news. Sorry to hear it.
I believe that this judge is a lier and a dangerous gangster. I hold him in comtempt.
The devil must be proud of him.

I doubt I'll mumble...I can enunciate pretty well when I need to.   ;)

Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on March 28, 2011, 06:22 AM NHFT
NHJury.com signs arrived!  We ordered 100 signs, they are about 18 x 24 and we'll start putting some out there in visible locations throughout the State.

Got a yard on a well traveled Public way ? 

Have an APARTMENT with a window that faces the street and sees some traffic?

Doing jury outreach ? 

We might have sign for you.   
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 28, 2011, 07:46 AM NHFT
sign
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Pat K on March 28, 2011, 10:20 PM NHFT
I see one of the attack cats is guarding the sign,
good thinking.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on April 01, 2011, 10:58 PM NHFT
The clock is ticking.

I have begun displaying the big yellow NHJury.com signs in the front and rear windows of my car when it is parked. For example: When I arrive at the health club, the signs go in the windows of my car, and remain on display until I come out. Then, while I drive to my next stop they are set in the back seat. When I get to the store, they are placed back in the windows before I go inside. This process continues with each stop as I make my way around town.
Is some time involved? Yes - several seconds per stop.

Are any of these signs making anywhere else?

I'll be putting two more in the other car and parking it out in front of the picket fence at the Peaceful Assembly Church.

BUT, I'm way down here at one end of the county. Do we have any friends who are willing to also display these signs. If so, when?

The clock is ticking.

Should the front page headline story on NHJury.com maybe be a hypothetical case of a man who has harmed no one who will be sent off to prison – at the taxpaying jurors' expense - after the EVIL JUDGE decides not to even let the accused be "fully heard" in his defence?
Maybe also mentioning that EACH-and-EVERY TIME that the defendant is silenced by the EVIL JUDGE that the jurors should recognize this insult for what it is; the EVIL JUDGE and the EVIL PERSECUTOR are saying that they, the jurors,  can't be trusted to know that information.


Are these appropriate signs for volunteers to hold along the road to and from the RAILROAD HOUSE on the days of a trial?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on April 01, 2011, 11:15 PM NHFT
I think these NHJury.com signs are perfectly suited for the "Liberty Dollar" demonstations, since it was an ill/uninformed jury who enforced the evil government's wishes.

Is anyone bringing a bunch for people to hold?

Should people be encouraged to take these signs with them to display whereever they go?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: MTPorcupine3 on April 02, 2011, 06:29 AM NHFT
Quote from: John on April 01, 2011, 11:15 PM NHFT
I think these NHJury.com signs are perfectly suited for the "Liberty Dollar" demonstations, since it was an ill/uninformed jury who enforced the evil government's wishes.

Agreed.

Quote from: John on April 01, 2011, 11:15 PM NHFT
Is anyone bringing a bunch for people to hold?

Affirmative.

Quote from: John on April 01, 2011, 11:15 PM NHFT
Should people be encouraged to take these signs with them to display whereever they go?

You bet.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on April 02, 2011, 08:02 AM NHFT
See you there.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on April 03, 2011, 08:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: MTPorcupine3 on April 02, 2011, 06:29 AM NHFT
Quote from: John on April 01, 2011, 11:15 PM NHFT
Should people be encouraged to take these signs with them to display whereever they go?

You bet.



How many people took NHJury.com/1-800-TEL-JURY signs?

Some people slowing down - substantially - to check them out here. One guy even stopped with a question. (Turns out his issue is different, but it shows that people take notice.)

Any word on any actually going up anywhere else?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on April 03, 2011, 08:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: John on April 01, 2011, 10:58 PM NHFTDo we have any friends who are willing to also display these signs.


Informing jurors is part of the NH Republican Party's platform. Do we know any Republicans who might care enough to display these?

How about the Ward Bird supporters? Lots of them know the courts are rotten, and we know that many are willing to display signs, and we know that they are willing to display yellow signs with black lettering.
Imagine as many NHJury.com/1-800-TEL-JURY signs around the state as there were Ward Bird signs.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on April 05, 2011, 04:50 PM NHFT
Peaceful Assembly Church has a copy on VHS. I did not know it was out there on Youtube, but a link to this oldy-but-goody showed up on fedbook:
1/3 Ron Paul presents "Power to the Jury" At Issue (NEFL) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA4GKG__B-s#)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on April 05, 2011, 08:17 PM NHFT
What would you say?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on May 01, 2011, 07:40 PM NHFT
I posted this elswhere:

Oh, and if I ever get to be a JUROR, I'll vote against tyranny there as well. As a JUROR, your ONE, SINGLE, SOLITARY, VOTE is all it takes to make a difference. Just your one vote, all by itself, can do no harm – but, ALL BY YOURSELF AS A JUROR, you can do Justice, Mercy, and Compassion. 1-800-TEL-JURY will send you a VERY nice info package.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on June 22, 2011, 04:36 PM NHFT
In the federal government's steady and incremental erosion of trial by jurors: On June 22, 1970  Supreme Court ruled juries of less than 12 are constitutional.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on August 01, 2011, 10:58 AM NHFT
We are in desperate need of people to hand out literature at the Grafton County Courthouse on the first Tuesday of each month.
Rich Angell and others have been covering this for some time now. The courthouse is an hour and a half from Grafton. We need some folks who live closer or are close to rt 91 or 89 to help with this.
Call Rich, or me at 780-4174
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on August 01, 2011, 07:40 PM NHFT
I posted this to FB:

Help needed: FIFA – Fully Informed JUROR - outreach needed for Grafton COUNTY courthouse tomorrow. The guys were tricked into going today but its tomorrow.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on August 13, 2011, 08:42 AM NHFT
Thinking about how important JURORS were in the minds of the founding fathers of the US ...
More than any other subject (?) - - - juries are mentioned repeatedly in the founding documents.

In the Declaration of Independence:
"... For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury."

In the main body of the US Constitution:
"The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment; shall be by Jury..."

And, in The Bill of Rights - in 3 the 10 amendments:
Article 5
- "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury..."
Article 6
- "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right 5to a speedy and public trail, by an impartial jury..."
Article 7
- "In suits of common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right to a trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise re-examined..."
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on August 13, 2011, 09:21 AM NHFT
http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/history-jury-null.html (http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/history-jury-null.html)


http://legallad.quickanddirtytips.com/legal-jury-nullification.aspx (http://legallad.quickanddirtytips.com/legal-jury-nullification.aspx)

http://rawmaterialsecon.com/marijuana/107/jury-nullification-constitutional-right.html (http://rawmaterialsecon.com/marijuana/107/jury-nullification-constitutional-right.html)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/emal1.1.1.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/emal1.1.1.html)

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Russell Kanning on August 13, 2011, 10:38 AM NHFT
the big drive from the town of Grafton to the county seat has kept me from going there in the past
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on August 13, 2011, 10:53 AM NHFT
I met a woman last week from Littleton, about 45 minutes from N. Haverhill. When I recover the contact info she gave me, I'll try to enlist her.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: KBCraig on August 14, 2011, 04:33 AM NHFT
Anyone remember DC and Candy? From Texas?

We hooked up with them at PF'06, and they were early movers to Haverill. I think they were raising sheep and having troubles with their neighbors.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on August 14, 2011, 10:24 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 13, 2011, 10:38 AM NHFT
the big drive from the town of Grafton to the county seat has kept me from going there in the past

That's why I take the secret tunnels on Graffy's back... ;)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Russell Kanning on August 17, 2011, 06:31 AM NHFT
Our friend Sally is often in Littleton and enjoys jury activity. Maybe that is the person.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Sam A. Robrin on August 17, 2011, 10:04 AM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on August 14, 2011, 10:24 AM NHFT
That's why I take the secret tunnels on Graffy's back... ;)

Graffic traffic?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on August 17, 2011, 12:22 PM NHFT
The EVOLUTION TO more precise wording in the JUROR information movement is happening.

I talked to someone in another state who is createring a state-initial-JUROR-.com where he lives.

;D
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on August 18, 2011, 02:43 PM NHFT
If folks want to provide me with some brochures and/or join me in the fall (and also probably sooner), there will be some outreach in "the big city", Lebanon.
I also have some other ideas, but here is one venue I'm testing as of today:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=23218.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=23218.0)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on August 25, 2011, 09:08 PM NHFT
Outreach in Lebanon, Upper Valley, Grafton county today: Since the JUROR info sign propped up in the front window of my car – everywhere & every time I go somewhere and park - gets so much attention, I make sure to have brochures ready for those who are clearly curious/interested... Spent over a half hour today with one guy who has had it with the way things are going...

FYI - I'M ALMOST OUT OF fiJURORa and Don't Take the Plea brochures.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on September 20, 2011, 07:17 AM NHFT
There are now a few NHJury.com bumper stickers available.  Good chance there may be some left and still available at the Grafton Apple Fest...Might still be some at the mancave too if you want one now.

No freedom jalopy is complete without one.  So be sure and ask Lloyd, Rich or Bob C if you want one.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on October 20, 2011, 08:21 PM NHFT
Important JUROR OUTREACH opportunity!
Chance to reach High Schoolers and their families!
Mascoma Players at Mascoma Valley Regional High School - Rt. 4, Canaan
Shows: NOVEMBER 4 & 5 - 7P.M. + NOV. 6 – 2P.M.

OK guys, who's gonna start helping reach these neighbors?

PLEASE SHARE this info!
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on October 20, 2011, 08:25 PM NHFT
I'm (still) ACTIVLEY reaching INDIVIDUALS in the Upper Valley area EVERY week.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on October 21, 2011, 07:00 AM NHFT
Anyone want to do several sign waves on Rt. 4, next week, at the end of their school days, as the young folks head home to their computers. :)

Maybe even bring some Free Talk Live stuff as supplemental material?
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 21, 2011, 10:36 AM NHFT
so many people are called as jurors that it makes sense that many would be interested
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Scott Roth on October 21, 2011, 05:56 PM NHFT
Do you need more brochures?  Let me know. :D
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on October 21, 2011, 10:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 21, 2011, 10:36 AM NHFT
so many people are called as jurors that it makes sense that many would be interested


I don't know how many get called as JURORs but, I'm thinking that while the subject of trial by JURORs is on the minds of lots of young adults (and their families) in the Grafton county/Upper Valley area, its a VERY VERY good time to get them to think a bit further. The JUROR issue invites thinking.
I think it would be helpful for folks to be out on Rt. 4 by the High School ANY TIME from now until the week after the play; particularly at the end of each school day - when they are heading home to their computers.

Anyone care to...? How many activists are interested?
Judging by responses here (after almost 50 views) and the few facebug responses (in over 24 hours) I'd say NOT VERY MANY.
If anyone decides they are willing to do anything, I'll probably join them
I might decide to just keep doing my regular "freelance" outreach on my own.

So far, no one on facebug has thought enough of this idea to even "share" the info, which would take only a single click.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on October 21, 2011, 10:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: Scott Roth on October 21, 2011, 05:56 PM NHFT
Do you need more brochures?  Let me know. :D

Thanks Scott!
If you send them, I'll make sure they get into people's hands.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on October 22, 2011, 10:01 AM NHFT
Brother John,

I'll try to stop by the church so we can discuss this...it is a busy week for me, but I may be interested in doing something..."for the children".
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on October 22, 2011, 08:40 PM NHFT
Cool. I'm here all night and I should be here all day again tomorrow.

If I'm go further than the dump I'll leave a note.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 04, 2011, 07:28 PM NHFT
Lloyd and I covered the ingoing crowd for the opening show.
Good responce. Even a couple of honks.
We left one sign standing directly across the street from where ALL outgoing traffic should see it.

(Rumor is: 2 others got diverted to a veteran's club in a nearby town.)  :P
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 05, 2011, 07:53 AM NHFT
THIS IS also TONIGHT at 7:00pm. Outreach before show from 6ish -7.
Anyone care to do this tonight?
I may be join you on my way back from town.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on November 05, 2011, 10:01 AM NHFT
I  will be there this evening with some NHJury.com signs.  at about 6:00 P.M. 
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 05, 2011, 02:24 PM NHFT
COOL
See you there. I could run a tiny bit late, but will be there.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 05, 2011, 06:49 PM NHFT
Free Libertarian and a cool chick were there when I arrived. Canaan cop stopped to ask if we had "permission" to be there...

A young couple turned around to see what the sign wave was about and pulled over... they are interested in seeing play tomorrow... gave them a brochure, and we talked a tiny bit about fiJURORa but mostly about Canaan cops...
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 05, 2011, 08:06 PM NHFT
Last chance – Final show - PLEASE join us!

Sunday afternoon.

Mascoma Players will performe Reginald Rose's Emmy award-winning classic drama, 12 Angry Jurors, as adapted by Sherman Sergel.

When else will young people in NH (and their families) be more interested in learning about being a JUROR?

Sign wave at 1:00, show at 2:00, BIG FINAL sign wave at 3:30.

Some of us might take in the final show (wearing FIJA, No Victim No Crime and other relevent atire) while others go have lunch before the BIG FINAL Sign Wave as folks head home.

PLEASE join us!
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Scott Roth on November 05, 2011, 08:32 PM NHFT
Printing up more.  Will be sending them out to you soon, John.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on November 06, 2011, 12:53 AM NHFT
Thank you Scott. Thanks FL, CC and John. See ya tomorrow.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on November 06, 2011, 02:52 PM NHFT
Re: NHJury.com sign wave

John, Free Lib. and son were at the high school this afternoon to catch the traffic prior to the high school play.  Later Lloyd, Rich, Tony and Jeremy were there to catch the exiting traffic.   ...Many thumbs up, smiles and waves, oh and one pedestrian couple declared that John was "crazy"....can't win them all I guess.  No cops today though... :P
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 06, 2011, 04:08 PM NHFT
My report as posted various places on facebug:

"3 of us before the show got such good response we stayed outside during the show. Many passersby engaging us with friendly waves and smiles, a few with questions, and one with disapproving comments. :)... 4 more arrived and 2 left. I went for food and came right back. Similar responses: most fairly pleasant but neutral, many approving, a handful of disapproval, and one of whom actually seemed kinda angry... ...I'd say a SUCCESS."

and to the guy who said "Crazy...," I said "Freedom is a crazy thing..."
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 07, 2011, 04:53 PM NHFT
2 signs we planted across from entrance/exit are still standing as of this afternoon. I think I should adjust them later this week so that one can be more readily seen by passersby on Rt. 4.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on November 08, 2011, 07:21 AM NHFT
It is really great that they survived because as we know Jury Nullification is not a good thing for most cops.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 08, 2011, 06:30 PM NHFT
I've always been impressed with what seems to be a serious "Don't mess with other peoples signs ethic" here in NH.

I think I'll position them as a T facing school and both directions on 4.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 20, 2011, 05:42 PM NHFT
I ride by the high school several times each week. As some know, it is windy out in the open on Rt. 4.
The signs look nice when riding by.
I have stopped to adjust them twice, and I've gotten a friendly double honk and waves from strangers while doing this, So, they are definitely getting seen and appreciated.

It is also windy in back of Peaceful Assembly Church along the rail trail. When I went to adjust this NHJURY sign, I found that the wind here has finally taken it's tole and one of the stand's legs is broken off.

I expect that eventually this will happen to the stands at the high school also. Those seemed "definitely not new" when placed there.

I'm willing to continue doing the routine maintenance if someone will provide stands.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on November 20, 2011, 09:22 PM NHFT
I am not certain buuuut  maybe Mitt Romney will volunteer some stands.   ;)
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: KBCraig on November 20, 2011, 09:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on November 20, 2011, 09:22 PM NHFT
I am not certain buuuut  maybe Mitt Romney will volunteer some stands.   ;)

After January 10, 2012, there will be plenty of stands available.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: John on November 22, 2011, 05:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: John on November 08, 2011, 06:30 PM NHFT
I've always been impressed with what seems to be a serious "Don't mess with other peoples signs ethic" here in NH.

Yesterday, I almost took one horrible politician's sign stand because it was blow over and well into the street - but didn't.
Then, my passenger told me of someone who may have some which are not in use.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on November 24, 2011, 09:14 AM NHFT
NHJury.com will soon have it's own brochures for Jury Nullification activists to hand out, we expect delivery by next week !

Many thanks to Ian Freeman for funding the printing of 1,000 copies.   

NHJury.com would love to distribute some copies to our liberty loving friends for re-copying and distribution.

If you'd like some ----just ask.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Scott Roth on November 25, 2011, 12:51 PM NHFT
Send me the PDF of the new brochure...I'll be happy to print some out. :D
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Free libertarian on November 26, 2011, 10:32 AM NHFT
Thank you for offering to print some out Scott !

The article is posted here http://nhjury.com/ (http://nhjury.com/)

The "print it out" part is posted at Free Keene in a recent article. I am not sure if that is sufficient to print it out. Perhaps one of these computer geeky types can help a 1970s guy out ?

Everybody -  Please feel free to use these brochures in your jury nullification outreach efforts.
Title: Re: nhjury.com how you can help
Post by: Scott Roth on November 26, 2011, 11:24 AM NHFT
I downloaded it.  I'll see what I can do.